“有些东西是我不想触及的 ， ” 他对我说 ， “ 如果想让大猩猩听你的指挥，那么你就得支配它们；你必须操纵它们去表演，这是剥削行为。
“There are things I didn’t want to be involved in,” he told me. “To get apes to do anything you want them to do, you have to dominate them; you have to manipulate them into performing.