 My dad got me into computers at a really young age.
 And, you know, I was on bulletin boards.
 And I don't know if you guys know about that stuff, but I was doing all of the kind of late night, getting on bulletin boards, snooping around, connecting to servers across the world and trying to break my way in or find a way in.
 My dad got me into computers at a really young age.  And, you know, I was on bulletin boards.  And I don't know if you guys know about that stuff, but I was doing all of the kind of late night, getting on bulletin boards, snooping around, connecting to servers across the world and trying to break my way in or find a way in.