 And so my sophomore year in college, I was really into it.
 I was in a Russian hacking group called Drink or Die.
 Wow.
 Yeah.
 And literally, I was up until the sun came up because they were ahead, right?
 They were on Moscow time, and I was on New York time.
 And I ran a FTP site for Drink or Die.
 I was the U.S. headquarters.
 I mean, it sounds really lame, right?
 And so my sophomore year in college, I was really into it.  I was in a Russian hacking group called Drink or Die.  Wow.  Yeah.  And literally, I was up until the sun came up because they were ahead, right?  They were on Moscow time, and I was on New York time.  And I ran a FTP site for Drink or Die.  I was the U.S. headquarters.  I mean, it sounds really lame, right?