 And to this day, he says he beat me, right?
 I don't think – I'm not trying to be a Stevie on this one.
 I mean, maybe he snuck a win.
 I don't think so.
 Oh, Rene.
 No, I like Rene.
 We went to Columbia together.
 I could appreciate Rene.
 He was –
 Different.
 Very different.
 Rene was a German.
 Yeah, he was German.
 Like, my senior year, we had four – wait, how many silver?
 I think three of them were, like, European – oh, yeah, we had two Swedes
 and a German, our top three or four.
 And to this day, he says he beat me, right?  I don't think – I'm not trying to be a Stevie on this one.  I mean, maybe he snuck a win.  I don't think so.  Oh, Rene.  No, I like Rene.  We went to Columbia together.  I could appreciate Rene.  He was –  Different.  Very different.  Rene was a German.  Yeah, he was German.  Like, my senior year, we had four – wait, how many silver?  I think three of them were, like, European – oh, yeah, we had two Swedes  and a German, our top three or four.