 And tennis, to this day, has proved to be valuable to me all the time, man, all the time.
 All you guys know this.
 So, yeah, at Ball and Terry, so Jim Lehrer, I used to, you know, with Hugo and everybody else,
 we'd sit in that room and watch the Jim Lehrer tapes, Dr. Lehrer.
 And no doubt, man, no doubt, I still use a lot of those tactics today.
 And tennis, to this day, has proved to be valuable to me all the time, man, all the time.  All you guys know this.  So, yeah, at Ball and Terry, so Jim Lehrer, I used to, you know, with Hugo and everybody else,  we'd sit in that room and watch the Jim Lehrer tapes, Dr. Lehrer.  And no doubt, man, no doubt, I still use a lot of those tactics today.