text: who is the 5th best pitcher ever? ive got cy young, nolan ryan, roger clemens and lefty grove as the first 4, cant decide on the 5th one though. i was thinking catfish hunter? also some good relievers, not just closers though, setup guys  too. i'd go with sandy koufax or satchel paige. i dont think nolan ryan should be in your first four, there are a bunch of pitchers better than he was including dizzy dean, christy mathewson, bob feller, greg maddux, juan marichal, walter johnson, tom seaver, don drysdale.  also, catfish hunter is definetly not better than any of those guys.   again, with the relievers, mariano rivera is simply the greatest. dennis eckersly, gossage, sutter, wagner, others come to mind as great relievers.  baseball prospectus said that the greatest single season closer-setup combination was the '04 rivera-gordon team.