text: bad vibes on vortex marketing group, does anyone know of negative comments or legitimate complaint about them? i am interested if any negative information or links exist that may indicate vortex marketing group, joel sauceda and his other companies and affiliates, including the somewhat less than glamorous products offered. odd informational responses from all the standard search engines seems to defy what the mathematical statistiscs should dictate. in all my internet searches, everyone seems to be showing only good responses front loaded and supported internally by other members and their links driving the most popular to appear relevent. it seems to be a very suspicious pyamidal scam. the self sustaining free peer support system determined to gain entry into respectable ecommerce. like an amway or other such systems, using devices to slowly bait the interest and slowly feed the info. i am very concern because a relative called to help introduce me to this with, you know, a free benefactor code. i'm looking for objectivity, and yes, i have a background in general advertising and direct mail. check betterbusinessbureau.com