text: for all non believers enlighten us poor pathetic believers! read on...? saying a creator does not exist is saying there is no existance! that we're not here! if there was no creator, then what? evolution? what was the 1st living thing made of ? matter ? where did that come from? was there a start to creation? who initiated this start?  is it so hard to conceptualize how our logic is incomplete and that there's a higher force that has the absolute knowledge and wisdom?  i'm not discussing religion here nor advertising to it, i'm talking about the point whether there is a creator or not! i'd like to hear something logical to prove me wrong. i don't think you need enlightenment.