good for holding hair in place as a ponytail holder no [SEP] i do find these hair clips quite sturdy i have been using them to hold a pony tail but not as strong to hold a ponytail on securely the teeth are very small and there is no grip of the hair the clip will fallmany years ago i had a ton of hair and now sadly it has thinned out i now can use hair clips to hold the entire hair i like that the clips look simple they are not bulky and fit easily on my hair i usually use one and or two on the pony tail i can wear this clip on my hair in public and it is not very visible i am getting a lot of use right now i like the clips the clips will hold a ponytail but eventually will slide just use it for holding the hair back in place