too coarse [SEP] these are some hefty bobby pins i suppose they would hold the hair well but they are just too coarse when i put a bobby pin in my hair not only do i want it to hold but i also want it to slightly disappear into the hair so it will not be so visible the shorter end of these pins that sticks up sticks way up no way to conceal that also many of them turn sideways as you are trying to open them i will not be able to use these