almost impossible to get in poorly made [SEP] these are lovely to look at but the holes are not quite large enough to put the bar in when you do get it into the holes that are meant to be used i guess it gives you no room for hair these are definitely more for pulling back a bit of hair or just adding a pretty hair accessory and are not made to be used for actual ponytails i have fine thin hair and generally use the little girls ponytail elastics and barrettes so that tells you how little these hold do not waste your money on these