not made for thick long hair [SEP] i thought this would help me made a bun i am really bad at it i have hair that goes down to my waist it is naturally curly i tried multiple times to try and get this right i even had a friend come and try the hair fuzzes out on either side does not wrap smooth and does not stay well once it is finally up tried bending the bun wraps facing up and down to see what was stronger but neither worked well if you have shorter hair you might have better luck i think long hair is just too much for it to handle more so if it is thickeasy to use two stars it sounds easy enough clamp it at the lowest part of your hair and roll it upwards then bend and clip no it is not that simpleeasy to learn two stars i had to watch videos and they also lie they make it look so much easier than it is im stubborn and still trying but it should not take someone days to try and learn thisvalue for the money four stars i mean you do get like five of these things if you can work them then ya it is a good value