A little bit long [SEP] These were perfect for my purpose.  I was having shoulder surgery and could not have metal pins in my hair.  My hair to my waist and knew I needed to get my hair in a tight, high bun that would stay put for a few days until I would be up to having my hair redone for me. These plastic pins did the job. The only complaint is that they are a tad longer than I like and they stick out the opposite side