Review title is NOT FOR ME [SEP] Bought this as a cream.  Tried several times for my knee pain which is severe cartlidge, meniscus breakdown, yet not ready for surgury.  I did NOT notice any difference as compared to ice, heat treatments, so can't say for sure that I believe in this stuff.  I am going to try a roll on and maybe the gel in the 70/30.  Not convinced as yet.  For it to work as many have said, was a noticeable difference!  Relief! ….which I did not experience at all.