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20070403 22:48:50 nbsp Welcome to the wiki. Im glad you decided to join as there are not nearly enough professors on here. As it is right now, the wiki seems to be dominated by undergraduates. Users/WilliamLewis

 20070403 22:56:04 nbsp Thanks!  Yes, it is good for me to hear the undergraduate perspective, but I agree that more voices are needed.  (Hey, if youre out there, join in!) Users/CovertProfessor

20070416 10:06:15 nbsp I totally agree with William plenty of profs read the wiki but their contributions are regrettably scarce. Ill definitely check out the tuna melt next time Im at Fuzios and the muffins at village bakery. BTW, if you want to maximize the number of people who read your reviews, I recommend you put them on each restaurants pages. Right now, your visibility is limited to (achem) wiki gnome wiki gnomes, or people who have seen your link on the dental fraud and faculty pages.  Users/CraigBrozinsky

 20070416 11:41:41 nbsp Well, glad the gnomes are stopping by, anyway.  :)  I suppose Ive been torn about just how visible I want to be (I am covert, after all), but then again, theres no point in my doing a lot of work if hardly anyone is going to see it.  (And I wont motivate other profs to join in if I am too covert).  I think Id like to keep my restaurant reviews all together for now, but maybe Ill increase my visibility if I put a link on the Restaurants page.  And really, I should be commenting on some professororiented things.  Im open to suggestions for places where that might be useful. Users/CovertProfessor

  20070416 13:38:04 nbsp For professororiented input, a couple pages that come to mind are UC Undergrad Neglect and UCD classroom etiquette. As for the restaurant reviews, you could have them both on the restaurant page and your own with a little cutting & pasting! : ) Users/LillianChow

    Thanks  those are all good suggestions.  It might take me awhile, but Ill get crackin. Users/CovertProfessor

20070502 22:55:06 nbsp Awesome reviews, keep up the good work, one day I will figure out a way to determine who you are, just to take your class. Users/DavidPoole

 Thanks!  :)  Of course, Id love to have you in my class, but not if I have to blow my cover.  Just take classes that youre interested in, and maybe youll stumble on me anyway...  Users/CovertProfessor

20070503 03:10:09 nbsp Nice reviews added yesterday; I like the specifics. Users/JabberWokky

 Thanks.  I think specifics are very important for restaurant reviews, because every restaurant that is in business will have some people who like it.  So, it helps to know what a person does, or does not, like about a restaurant.  Then the reader can decide if that is something that is important to him/her. Users/CovertProfessor

20070503 14:00:25 nbsp The Wiki does, indeed, seem to be heavily undergraduateoriented, but there are a few like me who throw in the occasional thing, and Im not even associated with the University. Anyway, good to see your entries here.  Users/DanLawyer

 Good to see yours, too.  The wiki should reflect the community.  Users/CovertProfessor

 The top editors, accounting for a heavy percentage of edits, are not undergrads.  The top ten editors have a percentage appropriate for the town.  Id say that the wiki has a heavy undergraduate orientation because Davis has a heavy undergraduate orientation.  Its sort of like having the Las Vegas wiki being gambling oriented; if it werent, it wouldnt reflect the actual city.  Having seen the wiki operate for a few years now, I can say that were coming into summer, when the edits slow and the nonstudent editors tend to stand out a bit more. Users/JabberWokky

  Makes sense to me.  I havent been here long enough to get a sense of Davis as a whole, anyway.  But the wiki has really eased that process, for which I am grateful.  Users/CovertProfessor

20070509 15:40:48 nbsp In my opinion a salad should only complement the main entree, and I dont like salads that are presented as meals. I love iceberg lettuce for the very reason that it has no nutritional value  whatever happened to eating food for enjoyment instead of nutritional value? Excepting the lettuce comments I like this page a lot. Users/TusharRawat

 I also am not a big fan of the salad as meal, although they seem to be all the rage.  And your point about eating food for enjoyment is welltaken.  I cant say that too many of the tasty desserts that I eat are good for me. I guess I never thought about people eating iceberg lettuce for pleasure  I had more in mind people thinking they were eating something healthy, when in fact they are (from a nutritional point of view) eating a bowl of salad dressing.  But for those like you who eat iceberg lettuce for pleasure  more power to you!  Users/CovertProfessor

  Actually iceberg lettuce is a good source of Thiamin, Vitamin B6, Iron and Potassium, and a very good source of Dietary Fiber, Vitamin A, Vitamin C, Vitamin K, Folate and Manganese. On a 5 star rating system (of health value) by nutritiondata.com iceberg lettuce recieved 5 stars (as did most nonstarchy vegetables).  Yes it may not have the most nutrients out of all the lettuces, but to say it has no nutritional value is actually just perpetuating a myth. My nutrition major freinds gringe whenever someone makes this type of statement.  However, its not your fault because it has been perpetuated by the media and even well educated people in the medical field. However, i do not perfer iceberg, since i thing it is not as flavorful as other greens.  But sometimes its nice when you just want something crisp and fresh.  By the way the best advice for eating vegetables, is eat the rainbow, very the types of veges as much as you can.  Pretty much all veges are good for you, even iceberg. Users/MattHh
   You really need to consider portion size. Lettuce, iceberg or not, is mostly water, and though it may have big benefits in a salad sized portion, it doesnt make a big dent nutritionally if you plop a single leaf on a burger. A leaf of iceberg lettuce fulfills fewer than 3% of your daily dietary in all categories with the exception of Vitamin K (5%). In contrast, the equivalent amount of potato chips have about half as much vitamin K and are a better source of crunchy deliciousness. Users/CraigBrozinsky
   Ok, guilty (of perpetuating a myth) as charged!  I checked into it and you are right  iceberg lettuce does have some nutritional value, although much less than most other lettuces.  Users/CovertProfessor

20070619 17:30:23 nbsp thanks for the feedback, CP. Although the crisp text and rough bike was an intentional juxtaposition, maybe a change is for the best. Users/EliseKane

20070620 13:20:27 nbsp thanks for helping with the links to the Blue page! Users/JessicaRockwell

20070629 18:29:29 nbsp I agree with you about being against moving all Sacramento based pages from Davis Wiki. Something is lost indeed.  I proposed a http://daviswiki.org/Sacramento_Restaurants/Talk?actiondiff&version211&version19 solution that I hope most people would agree satisfies everyone.  Users/EdWins

Its not me deleting anything, I only edit my page and pages that apply to the community. I actually constantly refer other people to other sitters quite frequently as I am swaped most of the time. Sorry for the confusion ,but look elsewhere for the culprit. Users/ElizabethBarthel
  As Users/WilliamLewis pointed out, there is http://daviswiki.org/Pet_Sitting?actiondiff&version221&version120 evidence that youve deleted competitors names from the wiki. Users/CovertProfessor

   I only edited the page a couple of times and deleted by mistake at first and once on purpose, I wanted to do some research from people to find out the validity of the new students business and whether or not I could look to her as a referral because I believe other students should help students. I have since referred people to lone roan pet sitting and sorry this had to happen it will not happen in the future. As far as the comment about the dirty house and such there is only one case and they had a dog and cat(hearsay as far as i am concerned) please address all future comments to me directly and not on the business page if you please i will answer them and if you still feel the need to make comments then i or you can addd them to the page. Thanks for your advice, i have learned a valuable lesson

20070717 11:06:59 nbsp Howdy,

Its actually accepted practice on Davis Wiki for individuals to do what they please with their own userpages.  So, Elizabeth Bartel was acting reasonably when she removed the comment(s) from her own page.  That doesnt apply to her pet sitting page, of course, since its the communitys page about her service and not a page owned by her.

That said, thanks for helping to keep the wiki contents legit. Users/GrahamFreeman

20070717 23:31:16 nbsp Heh. Youre just lucky I was busy creating the Hawaiian Barbecue page :) . Users/KevinChin
 Heh... now I know your weak point...

20070718 20:04:00 nbsp Dammit, now I want a hot dog. Users/GrahamFreeman
   Seconded, curse you professor, making me miss Davis all the more. ~Dave
    Heh heh heh... Ive had my hot dog today.  Users/CovertProfessor

20070802 14:35:06 nbsp Hi Covert professor I am Leonardo Fasulo owner of Osteria Fasulo in West Davis I saw you question about the patio and bringing dogs , we welcome dogs and my customers love it and i was thinking of having a dogs night out,hope to see you soon, Leonardo Users/LeonardoFasulo

20070804 09:55:28 nbsp zogm anyone who doesnt have a dog can be crossed off the list of potential CPs... Users/StevenDaubert
  Hmm... Or, I have a friend with a dog... Users/CovertProfessor P.S. What is zogm?
      ZOMG is a bastardization of the Internet shorthand term for Oh My God, OMG. The term is commonly used to express humorously overwrought excitement
       That is a good definition... notice how OMG is misspelled to further the sense of excitement? Damnit CP, dont point out the logical failings of my attempt to cull potential CP...  Users/StevenDaubert
        I got some minor lulz out of this whole exchange. :)  Users/WilliamLewis
        Zoh my god, its hard for old farts like me to keep up!  (Does that cull potential CPs, too  or are all Ps old farts?)  But I wouldnt be very covert if I let slip too much relevant info.  :) Users/CovertProfessor
        Or your admission could be subterfuge in and of itself. Aha! Didnt think wed catch on to that, did you? Users/KevinChin

20070817 11:10:25 nbsp You are a hamburgerlinking maniac!!  Nice job. Users/JabberWokky
 Thanks!  And Ive been psyched to see the edits that others have made to the page  its even better now.  Users/CovertProfessor

20070818 11:54:45 nbsp You know, when I left that note about the photo on the hamburgers entry, the thought went through my head Ill bet CovertProfessor uploads a photo. Users/JabberWokky
 Well, how could I resist?  My first Davis Wiki photo, too, although I neither took the picture nor ate the burger (next time)!  Users/CovertProfessor

20070827 16:44:06 nbsp Hi CovertProfessor, welcome to Davis! Im going into my final year at UC Davis and have had a few years to try out the Davis food scene. Im biased because I currently serve there as one of my two jobs, but it seems you have had bad experiences with Japanese food in Davis and urge you to come to Zen Toro (I was a weekly regular before I started working there). If price is a concern try us out during lunch we have some good lunch combinations priced from $7$10, and if you have some more moolah to spend, try out some of the nigiri or specialty rolls (three is a good number for two people). For rolls, in order of preference I recommend the SSC, Lobster Roll, AvoNegihama, Ocean Kings, and Stuart, and our customers seem to like the ZT Crunch, Tataki Attack, Citrus Breeze, and New Age Bake California. As for entrees try the Hawaiian Kalbi Ribs, the Loco Moco, or Grilled Saba. If like many people on the wiki you desire offthemenu items, try the Seafood Chazuke (rice and assorted sashimi with a special broth poured over it). PS  we make our own teriyaki sauce (it seems like bad teriyaki sauce is your pet peeve). Users/AlvinTsao
  Thanks for the recommendation  see my review above.  And yes, I did like the teriyaki sauce!   Users/CovertProfessor

20070828 16:08:47 nbsp Tucos does allow dogs on the patio. At least, they did when I worked there.  Users/ElleWeber
 Thank you! Users/CovertProfessor

20070830 23:14:03 nbsp Nice job splitting the Best Western pages. Users/WilliamLewis
  Thanks.  This was something I found confusing when I first came to Davis, so I thought it might help others to split the entries.  And you are right, we should keep the plain Best Western page with just the links.  Users/CovertProfessor

20070830 23:45:15 nbsp Could you tell us what department your in, or at least a general field (ie. physcal/math science, soc science, engineering, humanities, bio science, medical/health science etc.) Im just currious, you dont have to answer if you think that will give your identity away. Users/MattHh
  Isnt it obvious?  :)  Users/CovertProfessor
   Um. . . Food Science & Technology? Viticulture and Enology? . . . Dogs Vet med?  Ninjutsu? Users/KevinChin
    Hi! Out of curiosity, not trying to offend you, but how do we really know youre a professor?  A couple of my housemates and I were just having a conversation the other day and we thought you have quuuuite a bit of time to edit the Wiki so much as a professor! AmyLee
      Amy, youre right, you dont know  you can believe me or not, and it doesnt really matter to me one way or the other.  Youre absolutely right, though, that I tend to spend more time here than is good for me.  But I have always been this way... I work a little bit, I play a little bit, I work a little bit... its all on the computer, so its just a matter of switching from one app to another.  If I wasnt wasting time on the wiki, Id find someplace else to do it.  Small anecdote: As a high school student and a beginning undergraduate, I always thought that I had lousy study habits.  Then I took a psychology of education class, and read about a study that claimed that studying for hours on end was actually not a good way to learn; that your brain needs time off (say, every 20 mins or so) for things to sink in.  Whether that study was correct or not, and whether that applies now that I am writing, preparing lectures, etc., I dont know  but its my story and Im sticking to it.  :)  Users/CovertProfessor

20070905 21:37:46 nbsp I believe it was necessary to out Talia because she was abusing her wrongly assumed anonymity to try to get revenge on the person who pushed her out at the Aggie. Talia has nothing to fear from Kacey at this point because she is not and has never been Kaceys underling. Of course, the childishness of her actions today could have adverse effects on her career should they reach a wider audience, but thats her own doing. You, on the other hand, arent abusing your anonymity and have no reason to fear losing it. If someone did out you, Id be the first person to bug Philip to memoryhole the edit. Users/WilliamLewis

20070905 22:29:37 nbsp thank you for helping. Users/JessicaRockwell

Covert Prof I edited the comment because 1) I am no longer a davis police officer, and 2) the paragraph is pejorative and implies that I directed threats of bodily harm to persons, which is not true. :) Hope youre enjoying Davis! Its a lovely town, really. Users/CameronMenezes

20070912 23:39:33 nbsp Hi CP Users/StevenDaubert

20070914 11:26:22 nbsp Hi CP.  Im a professor too, new to Davis this year.  I appreciate the restaurant rundown.  Im a native Californian previously stranded in the Midwest for 6 years, so one of the things that drew me to Davis was the many ethnic food options.  Its a bit overwhelming, though.  I laughed out loud at your initial experience of Plutowalked in and walked out again, completely daunted by the customer interface and the tyranny of choice.  I did exactly the same thing a month ago before finally trying it out.  Glad to know I wasnt alone!    Users/CynthiaCCC

20070917 15:16:39 nbsp I love the restaurant reviews. Try Chuys Taqueria if you havent yet wonderful fish tacos. Users/BrianLum
  Im not a big fish taco person myself, but my partner is, so well have to check them out soon.  Thanks for the tip!  Users/CovertProfessor

20070917 15:45:04 nbsp Nearly an alliteration, awesome. Seems like the new year is off to a good start, thanks for the grammar correction, it is a common problem that `fects me. Users/DavidPoole
  Yes, I was pretty pleased with it, personally.  (Ok, stop me now).  Users/CovertProfessor

20070917 16:15:17 nbsp zomg hai cp!

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20070921 11:15:47 nbsp i totally understand about not wanting to subject your dog to sitting alone in a cage.  if youd like to give it one more try, you might try making an 8am appointment (the store opens at 9, but the grooming dept. opens at 8, just knock on the doors and theyll let you in), try an evening appointment or ask the groomers when a lowvolume time/day is so that you can minimize the amount of time your dog has to sit in a cage.  or just give in to the joys of grooming your own dog.  its fun for everyone!  water and fur everywhere! ;)   Users/JennSuzuki
 Thanks, Jenn, those are good suggestions.  For now, were giving Fo Paws a try.  Ill post my experiences here once weve been there a few times and can really judge them.  So far, they seem like a better option for us because its a small place where, even if the dog has to be in a cage, it is not by itself (the people are right there where the dog can see them and the people can talk to them).  I should also acknowledge that Petcos setup might be less of an issue for a dog that was OK on its own in a cage, but not all dogs are used to that.  And if Fo Paws doesnt work out, we can try going back to Petco and get the early or late appointment, as you suggested.  Users/CovertProfessor

20070925 11:38:05 nbsp Thanks for moving the Dos Coyotes stuff to another page.  That was a lot of well, pointless discussion. Users/BrentLaabs
 Yeah, I kept hoping someone else would do it, but no one was rising to the challenge.  Then I got inspired when I saw the $5000 pita page.  Users/CovertProfessor

20070925 12:46:45 nbsp Nice filibustering/tempest cleanup. Users/JabberWokky
 Thanks!  Users/CovertProfessor

20070925 20:12:53 nbsp theres no joke about SOS and BPP that i know about. should it be deleted from the see also section? Users/JessicaRockwell
 Looks like its gone now.  Good riddance.  Users/CovertProfessor

20071014 20:30:27 nbsp Sorry, I should have looked at it more carefully. The only explanation I can think of is it was a joke about parking at the Post Office,  Toad Hollow Dog Park Toad Hollow, or the gravel lot behind the Post Office and walking across Pole Line or through the tunnel (which is actually something I have wanted to try someday). Weird. Users/NickSchmalenberger
 Ah, yes, I think youre right  it must have been a joke.  Well, if you can think of some other way to spell out the connection between Toad Hollow Dog Park and Toad Tunnel, go for it!  Users/CovertProfessor

20071018 23:37:08 nbsp Every once in a while I will see a professor in ali babas or somewhere, and wish to ask if they are you, but then again that would be rather rude. Just to ask, what do you think of the veggie special at ali babas at the moment?  Users/DavidPoole
 Have they changed it recently?  Last I went I liked it.   Users/CovertProfessor

20071025 20:29:52 nbsp thanks for leaving a comment on my page Users/kelvinkay

20071110 13:43:44 nbsp What type of dog do you have? Users/EdWins
  :(   Alright, what dog group is yours? (Hound, terrier, toy, etc). I actually am curious, since youve mentioned the dog in so many edits but maybe dont want to be too specific.  My girlfriend has a little Sheltie (a picture is on my page), but we never really had the opportunity to take her around Davis.
   I think hes in the nonsporting group?  Not sure, Im not too up on these things.  Anyway, you should take your gfs very adorable Sheltie out and about!  Davis is pretty dogs dogfriendly as these things go... lots of restaurants with outdoor seating, a fair number of dog parks/runs, nice walking paths on the greenbelt and the arboretum. Users/CovertProfessor

20071114 09:19:00 nbsp Replying to a rather old comment you left on Town Wildlife, Town Wildlife is for wild animals like Bats, Town Flora is for emus and other domesticated animalsFootnote(Of course, maybe I missed a thundering herd of wild emus that lives in front of Plutos. That would be cool!).  Some, like Turkeys, are both wild and domesticated and thus there is overlap.  There is also Wiki Animals, which are companion animals of a variety of species. Users/JabberWokky
  If thats the intent, then maybe we just need to fix the pages.  I think having coyotes and deer on the Town Fauna was one of the things that threw me off.  As for the Town Wildlife page  are there any wild chickens in Davis?  Maybe Ive just missed them!  Rabbits, I guess, are reasonably on both pages, along with turkeys (as you mentioned).  Frogs, snakes, toads, turtles, and lizards all could be on both, but theyre just on Wildlife.  Snails, too.  But that just increases the duplication, so...   Users/CovertProfessor
   Fauna and flora are the animals and plants of a region, which to me at least implies the animals and plants that naturally occur in the area. So, fauna seems to be an incorrect title for a page of domesticated animals. Users/JimEvans
  Please see {{{Town Wildlife/Talk}}}  I started a formal discussion about renaming them.

20071120 21:18:19 nbsp Actually, the problem Ive had is that Ive been running various flavors of Unix.  Is it Mac/Windows only? Users/JabberWokky
 Im not sure, JW.  Sorry.   Users/CovertProfessor

20071120 22:28:55 nbsp Hi there, CovertP.  Thanks so much for the kind words and thoughts about our pet grooming shop.  One of our customers turned us on to your comments when she brought her furry best friend in for a spa treatment today.  I dont know who you are, but Im sure glad you and your dog enjoyed our service.  We aim to please, and we really do enjoy what we do.  Thanks again, and we hope to see you and your canine buddy again soon.  Fo Paws staff. Users/cbenjamin

20071124 09:15:01 nbsp excellent point about the burn out. But generally for me, I lower scores because im constantly comparing the restaurants to eachother. For example, i originally did not like Guads, but lately ive enjoyed them very much. to remedy this in my ratings i lowered other mexican restaurants scores and raised guads. Probably the best example of my score lowering comes about a couple months ago when i drastically lowered every japanese restaurant in davis by 12 points. I noticed that the scores were too high in comparison to the other cuisines (considering that the japanese food here is not done very well in my opinion). So generally i lower scores because I am constantly comparing the restaurants to eachother. I generally lower more often because there is a lot more room there. If i allready give a good restaurant an 8, and i think they are about 2 points better than any other restaurant, and ive allready given the other restaurants a 7. There is much more room for lowering the other restaurants than increasing the good one. Users/MattHh

20071125 18:18:29 nbsp oops, sorry. i must have used the wrong clipboard (select & centerclick vs. ctrl+c & ctrl+v). Users/ArlenAbraham

20071126 19:08:09 nbsp hi covertprof  I was reading your restaurant review, and I tend to appreciate your taste in food. I got to the chinese section and I noticed there was no writeup on Hometown Chinese Restaurant! Hometown is located at the south davis chevron, and it may take some time to get your food during busy dinner hours, but dont let either of those deter you from giving the place a shot ( You can also call ahead to place your order for pickup ). You may also want to give Zen Toro a try  good sushi, clean presentation and a decent selection of rolls you will likely not see in other sushi restaurants. Users/rgysel
  I finally got around to trying your suggestions  thanks, both places were good!  My reviews are above.   Users/CovertProfessor

20071202 07:39:05 nbsp Ive added a border to the table on Taqueria Guadalajara to help distinguish the columns a bit more. Does this help? Also, is International House of Pancakes bugging you, or is it just the 3+ cols? Users/WilliamLewis

20071207 11:25:28 nbsp http://daviswiki.org/Wiki_Community/Women?actiondiff&version25&version14 This version or did you mean and I didnt think that was ...? Users/EdWins
 Youre right, theres a missing think there.  Ive fixed it.  Thanks for letting me edit it myself.  :)   Users/CovertProfessor

20071208 13:43:58 nbsp hi. so a few things. 1) it was obvious to me your comment was sarcastic. 2) you should come to the Wiki BBQ Jan 2008. 3) you may or may not find this interesting, but people refer to you as he. i dont know your gender, and neither do these people. so why are they referring to you as male? its totally contradictory when these people claim to see no gender online but then turn around and use gendered pronouns. a few times they have defended their use of he by saying that the things youre writing somehow show youre a male. i dont know what it is. is it your style of writing? the topics you choose? or the fact that 70% of daviswiki editors are male so based on probability youre a male? anyhow, i found this amusing and thought it should be shared.  Users/JessicaRockwell
  If you do show up, dont feel pressured to decovertizise yourself, which honestly may be difficult being that professors are a bit rare on the wiki.. maybe you should get many more professors to join the wiki or come up with a clever disguise? ~Dave
   Jessica, even worse  do they assume I am male because they see professor and think man?  Anyway, thank you for the invitation to the wiki bbq.  But as Dave says, Id probably end up decovertizing myself, and Im not sure I want to do that.  Though I do wonder, Dave  is it really so obvious who the professors are?  I mean, not all of us walk around with sport coats with patches on the elbows and a pipe.  (Does anyone do that anymore??)  Users/CovertProfessor
     I keep threatening to get Sarah a pipe when she joins a faculty.  She already has the coat with patches.  Actually, given our sense of humor, I probably will give her one. By the way, I think Ive used he before just due to the constraints of language, but Id not be surprised at all either way: I actually picture you as a fuzzy bust silhouette.  Seriously.  White background, dark gray fuzzy outline from the midchest up.  Im not sure if thats an improvement over assumption of gender, as I seem to have mentally pegged you as a tenebrous nonhuman.  Users/JabberWokky
      I can live with that.   Users/CovertProfessor

20071214 22:05:57 nbsp Thanks for the link to the Vet Med Center... thats what I was trying to get at in the opening paragraph, but couldnt find the exact entry. Users/JabberWokky
  It just so happens that the other night we thought our dog might have a serious problem  thankfully, it turned out not to be.  But it made me realize that I should have the emergency info at hand (duh).  Well, it took me awhile to find it, which was disturbing.  So, I hope I can help someone else out by making it easy to spot.   Users/CovertProfessor

20071214 22:38:11 nbsp Ha!  I plead distraction due to looking for the correct Vet Med entry while riting what I rote their.  ;)  On a more sober note, Im glad your dog wasnt seriously ill.  Your scare may well have prompted revisions that will help another animal in need of emergency care.  Somebody with a sick animal at 2am is likely not going to be in the frame of mind to do leisurely research looking for help.  I hope that a more than one pin on the map system goes into place fairly soon, as it would be a good idea to map the parking as well. Users/JabberWokky
  I agree.  I tried to figure out an address for the place to map it properly, but I dont think that UCD buildings have distinct addresses?  Or, if they do, I couldnt figure one out for the Vet Med Center.  So, linking to the campus map was the best thing I could think of.   Users/CovertProfessor

20071218 21:04:19 nbsp I like the http://daviswiki.org/Cattlemen%27s?actiondiff&version213&version112 last edit you made :)  Users/ElleWeber
  Thanks.  :)  That so calism drives me crazy!

  Not even people from socal put the word the before interstate. I am guilty of putting it before numbers though. That page was apparently like someotherplanetism. Users/MattHh
   So, they say, The 80 but not The I80?  That almost seems worse!  But it seems to me I have heard people say The I80.  Dont know where theyre from, though.   Users/CovertProfessor

20071228 05:17:11 nbsp Yikes!  Sorry about that.  I forgot there was a separate discussion going on there.  I only meant to delete the comments responding to mine.  Thanks for noticing that!   Users/RichLindvall

20071230 23:53:34 nbsp Hi CovertProfessor!  Im glad to see that a UCD professor is representing!  Love your reviews and I tend to agree with you.  Iceberg lettuce?  Gross.  Im so curious as to who you are and what you teach.  Although it sounds like you came after I graduated from UCD.  Anyway, good job on staying covert! Users/CurlyGirl26

20080119 14:46:38 nbsp Huh, I swore I searched for Dimple before making a page, and neither the Downtown business listing page, nor the Tower page pointed to it. Of course, I can no longer find the Dimple page _I_ made, so I guess someone already integrated it, or at least deleted it. (I think mention of the Atari 2600 games and Timex Sinclair should be there; no time to edit current page ATM; Wiki BBQ to go to!) Users/BillKendrick

20080223 23:04:42 nbsp Usted es mi inspiración.  You are an extremely positive individual.  I am glad you are here.  :) Users/incognitoTA

20080226 08:43:32 nbsp I llike you willingness and bravery to jump right in.. I am trying to figure this out too. How grand of you to come to town and participate! Good luck ksullivan (but, havent figured out why it is not a link yet ;) Users/ksullivan

20080227 17:16:20 nbsp I think the best Mexican food in Davis is found at Taqueria Davis, which is near the intersection of 5th and L. I love it. They are consistently good and I eat there very often. My favorites the California burrito, which adds potatoes to the mix. Users/YuanNiu
  I havent been there yet... I will check it out.  Potatoes on a burrito does sound good.  One of the things that I like about El Mariachi is that you can get a vegetarian burrito that actually has vegetables in it.   Users/CovertProfessor

20080318 23:16:21 nbsp Oh no Kabul is gone. I figured id share my frustration with someone else :(. I guess Ill have to vote Kabul for Best Place to Reminisce About in Davis Wikis Best of Davis 08. It makes me wish I frequented them more often, it was really a Davis gem. Users/MattHh
  Sorry for the late reply... yes, I am missing Kabul, too.  I feel the same way  should have gone there more often.  And there is (or is going to be?) a Japanese restaurant there?  Dont get me wrong, I love Japanese food, but I cant see where this town needs another Japanese restaurant.  Users/CovertProfessor

20080416 19:15:07 nbsp where did you go?  Users/ElleWeber

20080421 11:43:31 nbsp Where did you go, Professor?  Did we scare you away?! Users/CurlyGirl26

20080421 14:02:16 nbsp Sorry Ive been scarce!  Ive just been very busy lately.  Maybe in the summer Ill have more time to contribute.  Im still out here lurking, though.  And thanks for the comments, its nice to be missed. Users/CovertProfessor

20080422 13:03:16 nbsp hey cprof...I know youre supposed to be covert and all...but can you tell us what exactly you teach? That doesnt reveal too much right? Users/ArianeMetz

20080423 00:31:58 nbsp Im dying to know, too! Users/CurlyGirl26

20080423 00:53:32 nbsp BUT THAT GOES AGAINST BEING COVERT! DONT DO IT CP ITS A TRAP!!!!1!!!five Users/StevenDaubert

20080427 10:37:26 nbsp Hay CP, whats a good their, there, and theyre mnemonic?
Thanks Users/StevenDaubert

20080427 11:42:23 nbsp So does this mean that CovertProfessor is in the English Department?!   Users/CurlyGirl26

20080520 09:34:13 nbsp I cant really be sure why you are being asked, but those databases are horribly inaccurate at the local level (I say that as a regional publisher who uses them).  I created Yolo with the history and a map to the location, although it doesnt really help with your actual specific question.  I left the wording of the internet purchase note the same, however Id be perfectly content to see it made ambiguous.  What have you filled it out as in the past (assuming you were successful in having the item shipped to you)? Users/JabberWokky

20080612 05:21:56 nbsp CovertProfessor you are one cool dude Users/DavidLiu

20080720 22:46:12 nbsp If you ever go back to Dos Coyotes, I suggest the Navajo Nachos. They are delicious. I agree that their burrito selection sucks but in terms of nachos, they are awesome! Users/willowspirit10
  Hmm, ok, I will keep that in mind.  Thanks for the suggestion.   Users/CovertProfessor

20080729 09:54:28 nbsp Covert Professor, Youre reviews are extensive and helpful. Thank you! I look forward to more reviews!

So, being a Covert Professor makes you like a cyber Batman or Superman, eh? Well never know your true identity...not even Lois Clark?...but youre saving many Davis dwellers from the horrors of bad food:) Users/everdrw
  I like that image... if youre going to have a super power, taster of good food is a good one to have!  Users/CovertProfessor

20080915 10:03:11 nbsp How are they to respond on the page, if they will violate the HIPAA in doing so? Users/StevenDaubert
  They can respond in general terms: These are my policies and practices: etc.  No violation of HIPAA there.  Users/CovertProfessor

20081002 19:44:31 nbsp Arugh!  An arrow through the heart!  My answer regarding blueberries is politically correct?  Question my parentage before wielding that appelation!  (And it is a sign of the times that I feel I should add a smilie to the end of this to make sure you know Im being humorous rather than actually being upset). Users/JabberWokky
  Dont sweat it, it happens to the best of us, jw.  A blueberry isnt just a blueberry anymore.   Users/CovertProfessor

20081003 22:42:58 nbsp Nice review on hunan, I agree in every sense! Users/StevenDaubert
  Thanks.  Sometimes I do believe that less is more.  Users/CovertProfessor

20081021 00:12:45 nbsp Ive had classes where graduate students are the instructor of record. Perhaps there is a difference in classification between graduate students with teaching appointments and full time lecturers who do not carry out research? Users/WilliamLewis

20081026 15:32:46 nbsp impromptu wiki folk gathering later, you should stroll! Users/StevenDaubert
  Thanks for the invite  very kind of you.   Users/CovertProfessor

20081028 18:05:33 nbsp you lose points for your blanket rejection of UNIforms Users/StevenDaubert
  I am sorry to hear that, SD, but if youd been paying attention, youd have already realized that Im not out to win points.   Users/CovertProfessor

20081028 22:51:03 nbsp Hi, Covert.  Im wondering what your thoughts are on life as a professor.  How is it different than you might have expected?  Do you get to spend as much time as you would like on your research?  What suggestions do you have for the future professors out there? Users/IDoNotExist
  Ill put my reply on your page.   Users/CovertProfessor

20081029 17:13:04 nbsp Hi, Covert.  Most people who meet me find that they havent, although some who havent yet probably have.  :)  But if I met you, how would either of us know?  I obviously couldnt see you, as you are remarkably stealthy.  And I wouldnt be there in the first place, even if I were (but Im not)!

Thanks for your comments.  Id not heard about the service component before.  What is it?

Ive seen many profs working very very long hours up until they get tenure.  How long does tenure take to achieve?  What makes someone well qualified for tenure?  What makes them unqualified?  Is it all about being able to bring in funding?

Ive also heard much of politics being a big thing among professors  fighting for lab space, funding, and whatever else professors fight over (what DO they fight over?)  How do you handle the politics?  What causes it?  Can it be avoided?   Users/IDoNotExist

20081029 17:50:06 nbsp If a professor talks on the wiki, but cant hear themselves, do they make a sound?  How do your grad students find you, being so covert?  :)

How hard is it to get grants?

What makes for a good prof. applicant?  You must have been a great grad student to get a job at a place like Davis! Users/IDoNotExist

20081031 18:37:04 nbsp re the UNIforms: To me it seems out of character for you to have a blanket rejection of the establishment based on just attire...

come hang out tonight at uncle vitos! ~20:15  20:30 wiki folks arrive! Better yet go and just get a spot in a corner and then tell us you went to further our intrigue! Users/StevenDaubert
  I dont think its so out of character.  Yes, I like to eat out, and I try my best to be fair in my restaurant reviews.  But I am deeply disturbed by these uniforms.  To me they reinforce the idea of women as cute and subservient, and I think it is selling food through sex appeal.  Of course, there is a place for women to dress in these kinds of clothes, but its not in the workplace.  I find it particularly disturbing that it is young women who are wearing the uniforms, just at the age when they should be taking themselves seriously and thinking about the contributions that they will make to the world.  I think its bad for the employees themselves and bad for the image of women in general.  This is a university town and we ought to know better.  Some people think my view is outdated  well, I look at some of the things that have happened in the recent election, and regardless of what one thinks about Hillary Clinton or Sarah Palin, it cant be denied that both struggled to be taken seriously.  I realize that the employees are probably freely choosing to wear these uniforms and may like them.  But women make choices that are harmful to themselves and to other women all the time, so this would be nothing new.

 Ask yourself this: does Sagat wear the uniform?  Id be surprised to learn that she did.  And if not, why not?  Would people take her seriously?

 I think if you look back at the edits Ive made on this wiki, I have taken strong stands on a number of issues.  I never do so lightly.  So, what sort of person would I be if I said that this was really important, but then I said, well, but go ahead and eat there, the food is good!  Which is more important, the image of women in society or whether the food at a restaurant is good?

 Thanks for the invite  sorry I cant make it.  :)   Users/CovertProfessor
     Ahh...see this is why I thought you were an Anthro Prof...but then someone mentioned English. Now I am all screwed up (Since I am an Anthro AND and English major...) Arees ongoing SagaUncovering the true identity of the Covert ProfessorCONTINUES!!!!Users/ArianeMetz
       Maybe you should just think of me as an everyprof.   I am all of the disciplines.   :)   Users/CovertProfessor

20081031 23:33:24 nbsp One might almost think that you dont exist...but that would imply that we are the same person, and clearly, since I dont, you cant not exist too.

You know, I DID see a number of ninjas walking around tonight (Halloween).  Perhaps you were one of them, as you are rather covert... :) Users/IDoNotExist
  No one can be you, but everyone can be me... we are polar opposites.   Users/CovertProfessor

20081101 00:47:18 nbsp Hi CP!  I just wanted to drop you a line and thank you for sharing your views on the uniform controversy.  Forces some to not only consider another position, but to question their assumptions and look at things more critically.  At any rate, I believe that the Wiki is better for it.  Keep it up! Users/CurlyGirl26
  Thanks, CurlyGirl26.  I dont expect everyone to agree with me, but if I can get some people to think twice, thats good enough for me.   Users/CovertProfessor

20081101 10:56:29 nbsp So does that mean that if we run into each other, we are annihilated?  :)  That could be a good CovertProfessor detector.  If I suddenly cease to exist when I run into someone, then Ive run into you.  Oh, wait... Users/IDoNotExist

20081102 12:17:35 nbsp w/e

I really wasnt asking in that context, just kinda morbid curiosity... Users/StevenDaubert

20081105 01:53:01 nbsp wiki:drama:Fifty Hitler Post Pretty much,  yes. Users/NickSchmalenberger

20081105 11:04:46 nbsp I noticed you have not gone to Jade Garden chinese resturaunt, try the general chicken or the wonton soup, both are my favorite.  Also there is a new dimsum/ shobu shobu resturaunt that you might like to try and review. Users/DagonJones
  Youre right, I havent tried either of those places  I will try to get to them soon.  The dim sum place is particular appealing, not because Im crazy about dim sum, but because I really like the other restaurant run by the same owners (Davis Noodle City).   Users/CovertProfessor

20081113 15:18:11 nbsp Where is this new Dim Sum place?  I would love to get good Dim Sum in Davis, but I didnt think you could get it here... Users/IDoNotExist
  Its the Red Orchid Restaurant... but I cant vouch for it one way or the other.   Users/CovertProfessor

20081113 23:14:06 nbsp Thanks, extremely stealthy, well educated educator of educated people seeking more education! Users/IDoNotExist

20081114 02:26:26 nbsp Symposiums pizza is tied for 2nd with Lamppost? Really?

Outside of that though, I love your huge list of reviews. Its really cool to get to see what one person thinks about everything, rather than what just a bunch of random people think about one place. Users/OscarSabino
  I think I know what you mean.  Symposiums pizza is, for lack of a better word, a bit more upscale.  Its a richer food.  But for me, that makes it hard to compare to Lampposts  a bit like comparing the proverbial apple and orange.  Sometimes I just want a basic pizza, in which case I go to Lamppost.  On the other hand, when I want a decadent treat (in case pizza wasnt decadent enough!), I go to Symposium.  Anyway, thanks for the kind remarks.  Users/CovertProfessor

20081124 22:45:52 nbsp Yay!  Professor input on the Concealed Carry issue.  Thanks for weighing in, CP!  Glad to know that Im not the only one who has serious reservations about such a policy. Users/CurlyGirl26
  Thanks, CurlyGirl26!  Yeah, its like dropping a match onto spilled gasoline...   Users/CovertProfessor
    The only solution to spilled gasoline is to spill more gasoline. users/Edwins ES
      ...or for a clear thinking person to use one of http://www.forestrysuppliers.com/product_pages/View_Catalog_Page.asp?mi3834 these. Users/JasonAller
       For a less inflammatory version of what I meant by countering firearms with firearms, If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.  The Dalai Lama, (May 15, 2001, The Seattle Times) speaking at the Educating Heart Summit in Portland, Oregon, when asked by a girl how to react when a shooter takes aim at a classmate. It is a controversial topic...but really, has anyone proved that licensed concealed weapons carriers are equally or more likely to commit crimes with their firearms than members of the general population? I think the general sentiment, as expressed at least by CurlyGirl26 and perhaps others, is that not everyone can be trusted with a firearm, which is exactly right, and is the reason that SCCC is pushing to allow alreadylicensed concealed carriers to be able to carry on campus as well as off, rather than to just completely level the playing field by issuing every John and Jane Doe a gun. The scene from RoboCop 3, with that guy handing out weapons to every  criminal in the jail? Not our aim. Users/BrendanChan
        If thats your position, then you shouldnt go around saying things like: The answer to bullets flying is almost always more bullets flying, if only because it doesnt help your cause, but also because its irresponsible.  Even so, though, I think there is a fairly large leap from If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun (which I pretty much agree with, though it very much depends on the circumstances) to alreadylicensed concealed carriers should be able to carry on campus as well as off.  I think there are certain conditions on a college campus which make having firearms there particularly problematic.  Ill name two.  First, as any counselor on campus can tell you, college is an extremely difficult time psychologically.  Students are overworked, underslept, and overstressed.  Professors and staff, too.  Not good conditions for people to have guns.  Second, many times there are large numbers of people (read: innocent bystanders) who are present, such as in large lecture halls or the MU.  Im sure youll object by saying that this shows all the more why we need lawful gun carriers to counteract the actions of the unlawful ones  but my point is that adding more guns, wielded by individuals who are already psychologically on edge, in crowded situations, are the last thing that we need.   Users/CovertProfessor
    Well said, CP!  Thank you for pointing out the psychological aspect.  All true.  I have seen otherwise healthy individuals crack under the pressures associated with the rigors of being an undergrad or grad/professional student.  Ive also experienced firsthand what happens when one of those said students has their gun handy.  Their legally owned gun.  My discomfort lies with the fact that we are talking about students and guns on university campuses.Users/CurlyGirl26

20081124 23:22:18 nbsp Excellent replies!  I can imagine your qualifying exam questions about replying to false choices on wikis.  :) Users/IDoNotExist

20081127 23:02:38 nbsp Its good to see other wikifolk on here on a holiday.  :) Users/IDoNotExist
  Agreed  and someone needs to keep an eye on the store.  ;)   Users/CovertProfessor

20081127 23:07:41 nbsp The wiki was down for a while earlier.  I felt a great disturbance in Wiki Spot.  It was as if a million edits cried out in terror, and were suddenly reverted.  But then the wiki came back up again. Users/IDoNotExist
  Thank goodness!  Long live the wiki!  Users/CovertProfessor

20081127 23:11:16 nbsp It seems that I might have run into you tonight, had I followed through with an urge to go to Bakers Square instead of eating healthy food.  :P Users/IDoNotExist
  Alas, it wasnt meant to be... I was just passing by and noticed the lights on and people inside.   Users/CovertProfessor

20081127 23:19:26 nbsp I had walked by and checked it out as it was the only place open last year, so I was curious if it was open this year.  Of course, neither of us actually exist, so none of this actually happened... Users/IDoNotExist
  Of course not.   Users/CovertProfessor

20081130 10:29:32 nbsp No, it was decent fog.  I have yet to see indecent fog in Davis.  :P Users/IDoNotExist
  Indecent fog wouldnt dare come into Davis.  Not even on little cat feet.   Users/CovertProfessor

20081130 20:58:28 nbsp Thank you so much for fixing my mistake.  I only meant to delete my comment and not the entire page...and was panicking, trying to undo what I did.  It was such a relief to see it fixed.  Users/kestrel

20081209 23:58:43 nbsp The Colossus burger Users/StevenDaubert

20081210 15:06:17 nbsp One of these days I will get around to doing nutritional info...

Man that thing is just plain unhealthy! Users/StevenDaubert

20081210 15:30:33 nbsp Spice was something that I couldnt tolerate when I was younger, at around 16 I started dabbling in Death sauce. Now Im used to sauces that are on the low end of insanely hot, so normal restaurant spicyness usually isnt. Users/StevenDaubert
  Difference between insanely hot and N.R.S.? clueless I dont draw distinctions except for tolerable spicy and spicy to be conquered. Users/BrendanChan

20081213 23:39:21 nbsp I gave the 2nd go around a little more thought Users/StevenDaubert

20081214 22:22:23 nbsp I get fed up with the war on Christmas when Christmas has been waging war for quite some time

double standards

{{{¯(°_o)¯}}}  Users/StevenDaubert
You make the Baby Jesus cry when you say such things.Users/CurlyGirl26

20090101 12:42:21 nbsp figured, but its still kinda ruthless overkill to expect drunk grubs pizza to stack up to VB Users/StevenDaubert
  True, but it doesnt stack up to Woodstocks Pizza or Steves Pizza, either.  Users/CovertProfessor

20090101 13:30:40 nbsp The comparison of Uncle Vitos pizza to Dan Quayle in the 1988 VP debates is a scary one:

The pizza, like Quayle, is rather young for a Davis pizza place.
Dan Quayle was potato (but not potatoe) free.  So is Vitos pizza.
Quayle was not a good debater.  Neither is Vitos pizza.
Quayle believed that everyone should conform to his set of values, even fictional TV characters.  Vitos pizza comes in only one size. Users/IDoNotExist
  So many amazing coincidences!   Users/CovertProfessor

20090102 21:25:50 nbsp I plan to be in Davis for longer than most students, should I be covert as well?! Users/StevenDaubert
  If you want... but seems like your cat is out of the bag.   Users/CovertProfessor

20090103 01:31:15 nbsp Doesnt that depend on whether StevenDaubert is really StevenDaubert?  He might actually be Shakespeare... Users/IDoNotExist
  So true!  Or Jim Morrison.  Users/CovertProfessor

20090103 17:18:46 nbsp Is Jim Morrison really Shakespeare?  Or Daubert? Users/IDoNotExist
  Hey, maybe so!   Users/CovertProfessor

20090105 10:46:42 nbsp Californians have a different standard for what is cold than people in many other parts of the country... Users/IDoNotExist
  I know, Ive learned that.  But still, it raises questions about what people need versus what is nice or pleasant.   Users/CovertProfessor

20090106 07:55:17 nbsp me of year, when I take my dog for a walk at night (on leash), both he and I come home smelling like smoke, and the air is really thick, especially on

Its probably just cleverly worded disinformation... MY partner and I were both leaning in this direction... Users/StevenDaubert
Hee!Users/CurlyGirl26
  Im not getting something here... sorry to be dense.   Users/CovertProfessor
   If you apply a scrutinizing eye to your actions (what you say, how you say it, and where you say it from) on the wiki, inferences can be made that drastically reduce the number of potential CPs. Daubert
    I have a male dog... thats not a new revelation.  And the fact that I walk him shouldnt be a shock.  Users/CovertProfessor
¬_¬  Just pay me no heed. With the information already gleaned I think could find out with a combo of some social engineering and data mining. On a random note, I think you need a comment archive. Daubert
     Ok, whatever  I still dont know what youre talking about.  Have fun.  I remember when I thought about starting up on the wiki, I thought that guess the professor might turn out to be too tempting of a game.  I guess I should have heeded that inner voice.   Users/CovertProfessor

W/e, just know that you have the wrong take on this situation. Daubert

20090106 08:48:21 nbsp Thats just what Covert would like you to believe!  Or what Covert would like you to think Covert would like you to believe.  Of course, Covert has already taken this into account, and changed their wording accordingly.  :) Users/IDoNotExist

20090106 23:18:16 nbsp I think that Daubert has concluded that your dog is not a smoker.  :) Users/IDoNotExist

20090107 13:35:33 nbsp CovertDog? Users/SunjeetBaadkar

20090107 13:43:35 nbsp Unless the dog is very stealthy, it is probably pretty obvious that it is a dog.  Of course, on the Internet, no one knows youre a dog.  I might even be the covert dog!  If I existed, that is.  :) Users/IDoNotExist

20090107 14:28:49 nbsp Dont worry, CP.  Daubert is odd.   And I wont tell anyone that your use of the word dog is being misinterpreted as the wrong kind of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_(disambiguation) dog.  I know four professors with a raccoon dog, and seven with a prairie dog.  I know one grad student who claims that Snoop Dogg and Nate Dogg hang around with his PI, and I know another professor who took a hiatus because hes on tour with the Dogs (since their drummer left in November of 2008).  And theres probably a lot of professors I do not know in the department of engineering who walk around with their http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_(engineering) dogs.  Nonetheless, the hunt is on. Youre lucky Im not still in Davis to track ya down :P   (If you ask me though, you seem to be the kind of guy who likes prairie dogs. Theyre rather covert too, some of em.) Users/EdWins

20090107 14:31:15 nbsp On a side note, I always enjoyed your reviews (or side comments) over the last few years in regards to (typical) dogs.  I only wish my girlfriend and I were able to bring her pup out more often.  Users/EdWins ES
  Thanks, ES.  It helps that Davis is Canis lupus familiarisfriendly.   Users/CovertProfessor

20090107 14:40:41 nbsp Actually, having a dog is a requirement for being a professor.  Most people think that you cant get a PhD without completing a dissertation.  And they are right.  But it is also the case that you must have a dog.  Even better if it is a puppy, because you can use that to melt the hearts of the people on your committee.  When you apply to be a professor, the first question they ask you is whether or not you have a dog.  The second one is whether or not it has been trained.  When you get your own lab, you are granted an allowance of grad students to feed to the dog (it is important that the dog remain healthy and strong.)  They would use undergrads, but when grad students get consumed by their...work (yeah, thats it.  They call it work, not dogs), nobody notices if they disappear.  :)

Right, Covert?  :) Users/IDoNotExist
  gasp.  Ill have to direct my committee to my wikipage, and videos of my poor hamsters (RIP) such as http://www.youtube.com/watch?vrnw10dfA2o this one. It should melt hearts of stone! Users/EdWins ES
  Its true, oh nonexistent one, though its a little known secret.  It figures that someone who doesnt exist would be the one to notice the hidden requirement.   Users/CovertProfessor

20090111 23:49:20 nbsp Have you tried the food from the meat lab?  Its very good, and may satisfy your cravings for steak... Users/IDoNotExist
  I keep meaning to go over there, but no, I havent yet.  Of course, then Id have to cook it myself...  Users/CovertProfessor

20090112 00:07:39 nbsp You could bring it to the wiki social, which I might or might not attend (even I dont know if I will).  Im sure that someone there would take on the grilling duties for you... Users/IDoNotExist
  Ah, but just as a nonexistent one cant go, and therefore exist, a covert one cant go, and therefore be uncovert.  Thanks for the suggestion, though.   Users/CovertProfessor

20090112 11:27:39 nbsp You could go as the SecretPostDoc!  :) Users/IDoNotExist

20090114 02:13:17 nbsp Hey...how do I know that you arent me?  I mean, if you are sufficiently covert, Id really have no idea that you were me, now would I?  Furthermore, how do I know that Im not you either? Users/IDoNotExist
    Well, perhaps I will be there, then, except covertly, and not really existing.  Ouch, my head hurts.   Users/CovertProfessor

20090114 07:35:39 nbsp Well, no.  Of course not.  The pain is generated by the brain and nervous system of the person with the cooked hand in response to having their hand cooked.   Users/IDoNotExist

20090114 09:34:58 nbsp Thats ok.  Your head apparently doesnt exist (assuming that it is also my head).  :) Users/IDoNotExist

20090114 13:56:30 nbsp If Covert is not me, then I would assume (again) that Covert indeed has a head, but is just very stealthy about it.  Its only in the case where Covert and I are the same nonexistent person that they would have no head (as you cant have a head if you dont exist.) Users/IDoNotExist
  Seems logical, assuming I can make that determination given the unknown status of my head.   Users/CovertProfessor

20090130 04:08:43 nbsp In response to the Crepehouse Uni UNIforms...

Sagat does not wear the uniform because she is constantly traveling back and forth between the unit and to various locations all over Davis. For her to wear the uniform, it would be great hassle as she would have to then change about 40 times a day between her casual clothing and the uniform. The uniforms are custom made and they are not made to handle the wear and tear of a casual outfit. Sagat cannot lift heavy boxes and cartons of gelato/milk while wearing the uniform that could quite possibly tear or become dirty. Also, it would not make sense for Sagat to wear the uniform outside of the unit because it would be unsanitary to bring it out in public over multiple trips and then wear it while making crepes or handling food.

Sagat is taken seriously from what I have seen, as she has made many accomplishments and she is a very hard worker. She works diligently to run Crepehouse Uni and she would not force her employees to wear something that she herself would not. If you look at the picture on the Crepehouse Uni page, Sagat is wearing one of the UNIforms. So to say that she does not wear the uniform as a matter of being taken seriously is a total misconception. Sagat does not wear the uniform to allow the convenience of constant travel and errand running. If Sagat had to change 40 times a day, she would never get things done. Users/ThUn
  Thou dost protest too much, methinks.  Users/CovertProfessor

20090202 14:57:35 nbsp Awesome! Users/IDoNotExist

20090226 15:27:30 nbsp Are you the CovertChancellor, and does this mean that youve gotten a promotion (covertly, of course)?  :) Users/IDoNotExist
  Perish the thought, oh nonexistent one!  I have no interest in being an administrator.  But who is this CovertChancellor of whom you speak?   Users/CovertProfessor

20090226 18:58:26 nbsp See http://daviswiki.org/Sockpuppets?actioninfo for some more Covert Coverritas Users/IDoNotExist
  Ah, a pretender.  A jealous knave, no doubt.   Users/CovertProfessor

20090227 17:52:33 nbsp I liked your comment... Users/IDoNotExist
  Thanks.  Im glad you (and KellyM) brought the issue up.  I probably would not have ever said anything otherwise, but its worth discussing.   Users/CovertProfessor

20090302 23:23:11 nbsp Hey, Covert.  Ive been wondering for quite some time where the professors disappear to when they are not teaching or researching.  (Not you, specifically.)  I very rarely see professors around the city of Davis itself.  Of course, that could be because I only know a small subset of the professorial population, or it could be because there are so many undergrads running around that they provide lots of obstructions for professors to hide behind.  :)  But I would at least expect to see people in their 30s  70s running around Davis who are likely professors, and I usually dont.  So where are they?  Do they cease to exist after their office hours?  Do they run to random respites when not researching?

The same question also applies to postdocs.  I dont see many of these around either... (of course, there are probably fewer postdocs than professors around to begin with.) Users/IDoNotExist
  Well, Im not sure if the 3070 set who are professors look much different from the 3070 set who arent... but youre right, there are a lot of undergrads around.  Half the population of Davis, in fact.  And then when you add in the children, teenagers, and nonundergrads in their 20s... plus the over 70s.... yeah, so there arent as many in the 3070 set as you might ordinarily find in a town.  But were out here.  We go to restaurants, the farmers market, the greenbelts and arboretum, various Davis festivals and whatnot... but its true, a lot of the time were in our offices or at home, working.  Or, if youre me, on the wiki when you should be working.  :)   But its also true that not all professors live in Davis; there are a lot who live in the Berkeley/Oakland area.  So, if theyre not in lab, in class, or in their offices, theyre probably not in Davis much.  Users/CovertProfessor

20090303 11:15:43 nbsp That would be quite a commute (from Berkeley)... Users/IDoNotExist
  An econ prof I had my freshman year who lived in Berkeley said there was a bus and that the commute allowed her to catch up on reading. wl
  The train is also an option from Berkeley, and also allows you to get work done.   Users/CovertProfessor

20090303 12:14:34 nbsp Is Berkeley a nicer city to live in?  Ive always gotten the impression that it has 3 areas: UC Berkeley, the hills (with very expensive homes), and the flat area, which seems run down, and Id guess is where the students can afford to live. Users/IDoNotExist
  I dont know much about the various neighborhoods to live in.  But I think people like to live in Berkeley because it is a little more urban than Davis and because it is closer to SF.   Users/CovertProfessor

20090303 19:44:48 nbsp Do many profs live in Davis? Users/IDoNotExist
  I think a good number do (there are also a fair number who live in Sac or Woodland), but I dont know the statistics.   Users/CovertProfessor

20090305 09:25:53 nbsp Hah! re: Lucis Salon Lucis. The effect is more impressive if you zoom out your browser. Users/KevinChin
  Needs more exclamation points, eh?  I can do that.  :)   Users/CovertProfessor

20090307 00:34:01 nbsp What is your cute count cutely counting? Users/IDoNotExist
  I think it will become obvious over time.   Users/CovertProfessor
  Very funny, a cute way to make a point. Andrew

20090307 11:43:11 nbsp So if someone were to do something, like say, use a lot of exclamation points (!!!!!!), would that increase the cute count, or does it only increase for things that you do? Users/IDoNotExist
  Im not counting exclamation points or things that I do.   Users/CovertProfessor

20090307 14:57:42 nbsp Can you identify the 7 other times when the cute count incremented? (Or rather, can you tell us what they are? Im sure YOU can identify them. ;) ) Users/IDoNotExist

20090309 18:07:38 nbsp Well, thats cute... Users/IDoNotExist

20090310 19:05:26 nbsp Do dogs, or other furry life forms, increase the cute count at all? Users/IDoNotExist
  No, sorry... as cute as they are, they dont increase the cute count.   Users/CovertProfessor

20090310 19:12:27 nbsp http://abrionline.org/expert.php?id63 An external bio on her.  http://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/vmth/small_animal/behavior/faculty_staff.cfm VMTH mention of her. Chief of Service of the Clinical Animal Behavior Service.  Of course, that trainer obviously is not doing that in every or even many clients, but if she says thats what people have reported, Id vouch for her. With her background and post, its a noteworthy allegation, especially in contrast to the previous comment about being recommended there by VMTH docs.  Users/EdWins

20090310 19:14:19 nbsp Just saw we left comments on each others pages...I dont know what dog psychology entails, I was referring to the praisebased part, which I imagine wouldnt include chokers and punishment. Users/EdWins

20090310 19:15:20 nbsp Do certain events cause the cute count to increase? Users/IDoNotExist
  Yes, but it may be awhile before we witness one of those events... I cant predict how long it will be, unfortunately.   Users/CovertProfessor

20090310 21:22:44 nbsp Do those events involve (each of the following is a separate question):
1) One or more people
2) One or more animals
3) A combination of 1 and 2

? Users/IDoNotExist
  Is it possible that this is just one of those things that should be Senseless Act of Beauty accepted and enjoyed rather than being studied and analyzed to death? Users/JasonAller
  #1.  But I think that Jason is right.   Users/CovertProfessor

20090310 21:37:08 nbsp Only the extremely stealthy education oriented researcher can answer that question.  But I enjoy solving interesting puzzles, and this seems to be one. Users/IDoNotExist

20090310 22:11:21 nbsp Than I shall not guess... Users/IDoNotExist
  Thanks, one who is not there, I was getting a bit weary.  But I do think it will become obvious in time.   Users/CovertProfessor

20090310 23:24:34 nbsp Well said, on my page and the one in question.  Users/EdWins

20090315 12:59:36 nbsp a) you still need a quote archive
b) I still call it swirl Users/StevenDaubert
 a) Im sure youre right, but I also like the totality of the comments.  b) Swirl was a much better name.  Cultivé is a dumb name.  Users/CovertProfessor

20090318 04:40:21 nbsp Thank you for participating in a very reasoned manner in the Sredni discussion.  You said some things that I was mulling over. Users/JabberWokky
  Thanks, JW.  I do understand why people are annoyed with SV  as someone said already, he raised a number of stinks, got people riled up, and then tries to bail out, leaving a mess in his wake.  But weve let plenty of people delete comments in the past  even when their removal ruined the surrounding conversation (generally, the rest of the conversation was deleted, too).  So, it seemed to me that the gnomes were thinking of either 1) changing to a policy where people could only delete comments if the comments werent part of a conversation, or 2) changing to a policy where people couldnt delete their comments at all (this is the policy that I think would be draconian).  By saying this is about policy rather than this particular case, I am assuming that we would want to be consistent about how future cases were handled.  Anyway, now we seem to be off on a tangent about the CC license, so Im not sure where things stand.  Users/CovertProfessor

20090318 09:51:54 nbsp http://daviswiki.org/I_Hate_Davis?actiondiff&at_date1237346779.8519599 Ew. Im sorry.  Users/ElleWeber
  Thanks.  It was pretty disgusting.   Users/CovertProfessor

20090326 02:16:59 nbsp No, Id say that rates at least an eeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwww + w Users/IDoNotExist

20090326 05:18:24 nbsp re: Cloud Forest Cafe: I see the beep as you head toward the bathroom as a short fanfare as you journey through the innards of the building in search of a greatly desired destination.  In all reality, they probably have the alarm system set to do that to alert them to people coming in.  It is a bit annoying compared to a simple hung bell. Users/JabberWokky
  JW, thats a very good description of it.   Users/CovertProfessor

20090407 22:02:28 nbsp Im so thrilled that people are enjoying Thai Dynamite, too!  I really want to see this place do well!

And yes, the My Partner reference is somewhat of an inside joke.  Im just being silly.  Its an inside joke directed at my parter (who is also a wiki user; Ill leave it to you to figure out, if you wish :).  As you know, I am anonymous here on the wiki, but my attempt to stay that way is only halfhearted (like, Im not as anonymous as you).  Anyway, its just a joke because while I claim to be anonymous, I drop lots of obvious clues about my true identity all over this place. Users/CurlyGirl26
  Ah, no, I hadnt realized that you had a wikipartner!  And I know that Im not truly anonymous either (I suspect that anyone who knows me outside of the wiki could figure out that its me relatively easily), but Im anonymous enough for my purposes.   Users/CovertProfessor
  Exactly.  Same with me.  Its enough anonymity to suit my needs.  Users/CurlyGirl26

20090408 08:39:15 nbsp If you take a look at the comment directly above hers on the page, you may figure it out. However, as an uninvolved lookylook, I may be completely wrong :)  Users/ElleWeber
  Ah, an interesting hypothesis.  The two comments do seem to mesh.   Users/CovertProfessor
  Very astute observation.  <smile> Users/CurlyGirl26

   Is there really such a thing as an uninvolved lookylook?  Something grander is clearly afoot.
    Von Neumann machines are going to increase the density of Jupiter, causing it to fuse into a star?
     Just as the Bike Church is about to set up shop again, something comes along and screws up the whole solar system... FATE!

20090411 10:46:42 nbsp you should at least move the comment box to the top instead of having it be 1/3 of the way down and I have to search for it, cause your nevar going to make cp/archive

but I digress
its kinda like those commercials where everyone wants to be like mike, but instead of mike its CP {{{^_~}}}
on a slightly more serious note, check some of my more recent restaurant reviews, you will see lots of my partnering going on ¬_¬ Users/StevenDaubert

20090411 15:48:24 nbsp I agree that it would be helpful to move the comments box, or to archive or restructure the page.  It can be hard to find. Users/IDoNotExist

20090411 20:38:15 nbsp You both are missing the handy item in my menu that says, Leave a comment for the CovertProfessor.  No scrolling necessary.

SD: Its hard to find what youve edited since your username page forwards to Daubert, and that page has no user info link. Users/CovertProfessor
  Here ya go: http://daviswiki.org/Users/StevenDaubert?actionuserinfo Users/BrentLaabs BL

20090411 21:14:41 nbsp Ooohhh...you are right.  Nice linkishness... Users/IDoNotExist

20090412 07:06:30 nbsp Also with redirects, you can click where it says redirected from and go to the original page with what you want to see. Users/NickSchmalenberger

20090412 12:08:23 nbsp Thanks, BL and NS, very helpful. Users/CovertProfessor

20090427 17:46:53 nbsp Concerning the Hometown Cafe comments Ive tried to revert and delete; I intend to eventually remove all anonymous, onetime comments that I feel are unfair to the target.  For more info on my feelings, see Anonymous_Criticism. I created the page because I feel strongly about the subject.  Leaving or failing to revert meanspirited smashandgrab anonymous criticism does nothing to improve daviswiki and potentially does much harm.  I have no problem with leaving comments up along with a challenge to follow up for some length of time, but they absolutely do no good left up forever.  Im going to go back and revert your revert and I hope you will leave it alone.  Users/JimStewart

20090504 18:44:10 nbsp you are trying to badmouth my business. Stop. You dont know the facts. Please stop. Read what is written in the comments on the help computers page
its not badmouthing, it simply what happened.  Users/RealComputers

20090504 18:49:19 nbsp Fool I deleted the comments on that page after having a wiki for about 5 minutes. I didnt understand how this worked yet. I am not trying to mess with them at all. Please just stop this. There is no reason for you to be harasing me.  Users/RealComputers

20090504 18:51:33 nbsp If you have such a big problem with this then delete my comments from help computers. Users/RealComputers

20090504 18:55:07 nbsp I should not have to erase something that is entierly true, however the comment has been deleted so leave me alone.  Users/RealComputers

20090504 18:56:38 nbsp Please explain to me how removing a true statment ws the right thing to do? did you even read what was written? Users/RealComputers

20090504 19:06:49 nbsp To everyone who has issues with me, Yes I edited some pages in a way I regret when I first signed on to wiki. I did not understand the nature of this site. Now I do and I am not trying to do anything to anyone. Please do not hold things that I did before I was used to wiki against me. I am not defending the fact that I deleted a page or two (though I knew they would promptly get undleted so I dont see why its such a big deal). In anycase, I know better now so please just leave it at that. Users/RealComputers

20090505 10:45:06 nbsp What is this mysterious BlueDot?  If it wasnt for their edits on westsacwiki Id assume it was a wayward revertbot. Users/MasonMurray

20090511 12:29:48 nbsp Hi CovertProfessor,

I wanted to ask if you have been to other Vietnamese Restaurants outside of Davis? I cannot say either Sunrise or Bac Hoa Viet are good at all. Their food proportions are ridiculous for the prices and although they are owned by Vietnamese people (and the food is cooked by Vietnamese people), the quality or taste of the food is not all very tasty or near authentic to real Vietnamese food.

I would go outside of Davis for some real Vietnamese food. In Sacramento, on the streets of Stockton Boulevard and 65th Street is a great Vietnamese plaza with delicious food. If you happen to go to San Francisco or San Jose, the Vietnamese food there is even better than up here. San Jose has one of the largest Vietnamese populations. Users/missmochi

20090522 23:00:51 nbsp hahaha loneshark my partnered on the black bear page Users/StevenDaubert
  HA! Indeed! Users/CurlyGirl26
  Its spreading!  Users/CovertProfessor

20090528 17:49:12 nbsp You might enjoy this product: http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Apostrophe_20Shooter#1004115600 Users/TheAmazingLarry
  Yes, I would definitely like one of those!   Users/CovertProfessor
   Have you also noticed how often wiki editors ask questions but end them with a period instead of a question mark.
##ha ha, made you look!
  Haha, sorry about that, I seem to be sort of tone deaf when it comes to proper and responsible apostrophe usage. Users/JoePomidor

  Slightly vulgar comic links: http://www.pennyarcade.com/comic/2002/10/11/ Were here to help, http://www.pennyarcade.com/comic/2003/07/07/ The Bay Boys of Punctuation, and my favorite, http://www.pennyarcade.com/comic/2004/11/03/ Mr. Period Returns.  (Theres also http://www.pennyarcade.com/comic/2005/04/18/ In the Lair of the Semicolon, http://www.pennyarcade.com/comic/2005/09/02/ There are terrors that can not be borne, and linked just because of Mr. Period, http://www.pennyarcade.com/comic/2008/6/13/ On Perspective.  Im bored at work today <.<  Users/Edwins ES
  I like Mr. Period Returns the best, too, although I have been known to say M$.   Users/CovertProfessor

20090529 09:04:22 nbsp Oh, its?  (Think about it...) Users/JabberWokky

20090605 17:05:26 nbsp Can we call you CovertTenuredProfessor soon?  :) Users/IDoNotExist
  I am every professor... the assistant, the associate, and the full.  :)   Users/CovertProfessor

20090605 17:28:55 nbsp You are every professor?  Wow!  You must have awesome funding.  No wonder you got tenure track so soon!

When can I attend your Nobel prize ceremony?  :) Users/IDoNotExist
  Alas, being every professor keeps me so busy, I dont even have time to go myself.   Users/CovertProfessor
   In your ascent to Nobel laureatedom, have you been more Rdent or SASie? (or other?)

20090605 20:46:56 nbsp Thats OK.  One of your other selves can go for you.  You are all professors, after all! Users/IDoNotExist

20090608 00:07:32 nbsp a) get to sleep
b) have you tried davis Taqueria Californai burrito?
 Users/StevenDaubert
  a) Always good advice, but tough for a night owl.  b) Not yet  should I?

20090608 00:44:59 nbsp Do we get to find out what the cute count referred to? Users/IDoNotExist
  EdWins is close.   Users/CovertProfessor

20090615 21:04:54 nbsp Cindys doesnt qualify as a decent diner in Davis?
  Ah, I thought someone might ask about this.  Truth is, though I have been to Thai Dynamite, I havent made it to Cindys yet.  Maybe Ill try to get over there soon.  Is it good?   Users/CovertProfessor

how about Dont dinner in woodland? (granted its not Dtown) Users/StevenDaubert
  Doesnt count.  :)   Users/CovertProfessor

20090701 15:48:18 nbsp I witnessed the same kinds of things that are listed on the Stonegate page (although I dont believe Ive added to that entry), but I received perfectly fine service.  I think there is some kind of sexism, ageism, studentism or zero tolerance for ignorance or idiocy at play.  Something sets off the owner resulting in zero respect for you and treats you accordingly.  Either that or theres something invisible like a chronic illness resulting in pain flareups or otherwise nonobvious event that affects the owner.  In short, there is really impressively caustic treatment of some customers, although Im not sure exactly what triggers it.  Im hesitant to actually mention it on the page for fear of rampant unsupportable speculation.  Users/JabberWokky
  Hmm, ok  I trust the report from you, JW.  It could be some of both.  Certainly, there is plenty of antistudentism in this town.  I think the bad eggs have made many of  Davisites antistudent.  It isnt fair or right, but there it is.   And I do know that Pop has some health problems (something I learned during my long stay in the office).  Health problems can make people cranky and exacerbate already existing prejudices.  Again, that doesnt excuse it, though, just explains it.  Thanks for replying  that gives me an alternate view of things.   Users/CovertProfessor

20090701 16:39:56 nbsp I get the impression that they may not be very happy doing what they are doing, but have to anyway, and that may be what is showing through.  I went out of my way there to be extra patient, even when it was a major inconvenience, because I knew there were issues there, and there were not many storage options in Davis.  I shouldnt have had to do that, but with very limited options, it seemed prudent...  Its a sellers market when it comes to the services that they offer. Users/IDoNotExist
  Well, I was pretty clearly cranky after my long wait, and they were nice to me anyway.  So, who knows?  Guess I caught them on a good day.   Users/CovertProfessor

20090703 22:05:38 nbsp I appreciate your comments and sincerity in wanting me to feel welcome, but from that first reaction I can say that I do not. However, I understand that people have used the Wiki in ways that are questionable and undesirable. May I suggest asking me the validity and goals of said Wiki to understand if it is in fact a business that is simply being made aware to the community before assuming that I have similar motives as another individual.  While I seem to be having to defend my integrity without a proper welcome in the first place, let me clear it up by saying that I do not require a lecture from you about how this community functions.  I fully understand the concept and the need for people to be actively involved (by editing entries, commenting, and so on) for DavisWiki to grow.  Furthermore, I am completely aware of the ownership of the page I created and that it belongs to the community as a whole.  There was no reason for you to assume I did not other than your suspicions.  Perhaps next time you can post a proper welcome with links to the appropriate welcome pages in DavisWiki.

Sam

P.S. To clear up the IP address situation. My friend was with me in the same room as I was creating this Wiki. I used her input to help me create the page and she posted an honest review. The comments posted on that Wiki yesterday affected me as well as her. But, hopefully clearing this up can help to put it behind all of us. Users/PKS

20090802 21:22:36 nbsp Hey, Stealthy Instructor!  I hadnt seen you posting for a long time (until just now.)  Are you on sabbatical?  Or perhaps wiki sabbatical? Users/IDoNotExist
  I took a bit of a wiki sabbatical... highly recommended for stress relief and getting work done.  :)   Users/CovertProfessor

20090804 20:06:09 nbsp Do you have grad students?  Secretive ones?  And how do they find you, since you are covert?  Also, do your undergrads know when you are teaching?  (They could think you are a TA or something...) Users/IDoNotExist
  The most covert are the ones that are right in front of you... hiding in plain view.  I am seen, but not seen.   Users/CovertProfessor
    http://www.ghostscape.com/images/metalgear.jpg ?
     Heh.  Something like that.   Users/CovertProfessor

20090805 13:51:19 nbsp I imagine that it must be harder to be covert than not to exist at all! Users/IDoNotExist
  Well, not existing would certainly make it a lot easier to be covert!

  Perhaps, but most people dont claim to see things that dont exist...most of the time.  My flying unicorn, my free lunch, and my perpetual motion machine all agree with me!

20090806 15:00:48 nbsp Please dont argue for the sake of arguing. Im not wasting anyones time. No one is ever forced to get involved. Its a choice. Further comments left by you will not be read, only deleted, as I dont want to argue.  Users/RealComputers

20090806 15:09:37 nbsp Its funny how you talk about wasting time as you continue to argue. If you were really paying attention to anything ive done on the wiki today, I think you would have to admit that I have acted more than appropriately. Seriously. I dont want to argue with you about anything at all nor do I want to have to keep deleting your comments just to keep argumentativeness at bay.  Users/RealComputers

20090811 19:48:19 nbsp Hello there,
Thanks for the praise on my restaurant reviews. In answer to your question, El Mariachis California Burrito derives its name from the central/southern California tradition (particularly in San Diego) of American/Mexican fusion. The California Burrito contains steak, french fries, cheese, and sour cream. It is an interesting combination, and quite well executed at El Mariachis. It certainly requires salsa (or ask for guacamole), as the french fries do make it a bit dry. Users/RDRIII

20090819 19:01:32 nbsp Your irritation was noted. Would you have preferred that the page stay on Davis Wiki? If that page stayed where would the line be drawn? Users/JasonAller

20090901 12:19:07 nbsp Im amused that the practice of bolding the title in the text is associated with me.  Its actually writing salt  a mechanical device that forces a good practice.  In this case, highlighting the actual subject of the entry forces you to make sure that the entry contains a very basic description that answers: What is this, in terms that anybody arriving at this page with nearly zero context can understand?  It also draws the eye to that starting point that provides initial context for the rest of the text.   It works for me, although I just used it early on to tag the ones I had made sure had a basic description of the subject. Users/JabberWokky
  Oh, I agree its good practice  definitely draws the eye and makes the entry clearer.  Youre the one Ive seen doing it most often, so Ive just followed suit.   Users/CovertProfessor

20090902 22:32:22 nbsp The place where Ive had the best experience with that in Davis was actually a car dealer.  They take much longer (although you dont have to wait in line for the people ahead of you quite as much).  On the other hand, they are less expensive, dont charge for fluids, do a good job, and give you a comfortable place to work with wifi while you wait.  In terms of actual lost time, I actually lose more at the rapid fluid swapping places because Im productive at the dealer. Users/IDoNotExist
  Sometimes dealers are good, sometimes not.  Unfortunately for me, the Davis dealer for my car is not good.  I think that Davisville Lube had wifi... someone had a laptop.  And they didnt charge anything over and above their standard price for fluids.  Of course, what I really want is a good, honest independent car mechanic.  Havent found one of those in Davis yet, but Ive got my ear to the ground.   Users/CovertProfessor

20090902 23:17:16 nbsp If you find one, please let me know... Users/IDoNotExist
  Same here!   Users/CovertProfessor

20090903 10:46:04 nbsp Regarding car mechanics, weve been very happy with the service and honesty of both Redfield Machine and Triple A Automotive. Users/LillianChow

20090914 23:19:14 nbsp It shows up for me... I assume you mean in seed. Users/JabberWokky

20090915 13:02:25 nbsp No worries; I work with gifted artists and publishers all day who dont understand the web or databases at all.  In comparison, the ability to say Nope, I see it and then you check your cache... thats a pure delight! Users/JabberWokky

20090915 18:22:11 nbsp From talking to one of her customers Im pretty sure its Landscaping but ive left her a voicemail and I should be able to scan one of her business cards too. I may also be able to get her to write on the page herself. Users/NickSchmalenberger

20090916 01:46:23 nbsp If its the same Jess who does landscape style work then there is a good chance that 3 degrees of Davis are two, or one Users/StevenDaubert

20090916 09:27:59 nbsp http://daviswiki.org/Superdog_Inc._Better_Dog_Training?actiondiff&version223&version122 and http://daviswiki.org/Superdog_Inc._Better_Dog_Training?actiondiff&version231&version130. Really, arguing that a photograph of a bunch of dogs off leash means theyre good? Constant dropping of the URL for the service?  Those are two characteristics that really stand out and lead me to believe that the comments were left by the same person, or at the very least, two people who have collaborated. But on another note, I think we should delete Bonnies comments. First she claims to be a customer and then admits to being involved with the business (In regard to the Call Kurtis TV report, the client featured was sent to destroy our business by a competitor who was under a Permanent Injunction to not harass us and send others to do the same.) Users/WilliamLewis

20090916 10:06:15 nbsp http://daviswiki.org/Superdog_Inc._Better_Dog_Training?actiondiff&version24&version13. Users/WilliamLewis

20090916 15:15:00 nbsp We dont want to have to lay off UC Davis students because a competitor badmouths us wrongly.  Character assassination is not free speech, but the refuge of cowards.  This person makes us sound like expensive crooks.  We do a good job and often are the dog trainer of last resort.  Just look at the website and judge for yourself.  We try and treat people right.  Putting bad news stories about others then attributing them to our company is disingenuous, unless you think businesses that hire students and do a good job are evil. Users/judgemiller

20090916 15:23:47 nbsp Bonnie Gordon was a client of Superdog and now works for us.  Both true statements.  We do have a Permanent Injunction signed by a judge and I can provide you with a copy.  How would you like it if someone said you were a pedophile and you had no way to refute it?  Everyone would always think that about you and remember the annonymous statement, not your weak pleas to consider the source.  Be fair to us.  If someone has something bad to say, you verify it and post it because it is true.  Newspapers dont let people write things without a last name because people are honest when everyone knows who it is. Thank you.  David Baron, (916) 9277725 Users/judgemiller

20090916 15:31:57 nbsp Im a citizen too and me posting all over Davis that you are a pedophile is NOT an opinion or a different lifestyle I would be entitled to.  Why.  Because it is wrong and it would hurt you.  Leave the bullshit down or verify it to make sure it is from a real person.    David Baron (916) 9277725 Users/judgemiller

20090916 17:55:50 nbsp I would like to communicate with you off the wiki. If there is a way this is possible without breaching your anonymity, would you be willing to leave details on my page? Thanks.  Users/WilliamLewis

20090917 16:24:57 nbsp stonegate video and coffee  best pastries in davis, and best video rentals. the coffee sucks, but I choose to suffer a weak bean than support starbucks or peets.  And it is family run, the husband and wife ownership are in there 16 hrs a day 7 days a week, often with their kids running around.  Probably the only establishment in davis which will recieve a positive wiki review from me.  Their chocolate croissants are the bomb, and they have computers. Users/JustinMehlhaff

20090918 11:14:06 nbsp iirc correctly she does design, and normal landscaping...

why the sudden energy on gnoming? Users/StevenDaubert

20090919 23:57:10 nbsp Never put off procrastination until tomorrow... Users/IDoNotExist
  Excellent advice!   Users/CovertProfessor

20090925 12:59:36 nbsp What did he do?  I must have missed it... Users/IDoNotExist

20090925 14:08:29 nbsp Wow.  Makes me think that some sort of metamoderation system might be needed for the wiki.  Weve had a rash of users who have a severely negative impact on it lately.  But it would need to be done in such a way that no one can decide they dont like someone and cause them to spontaneously lose editing privileges.  (Group consensus?) Users/IDoNotExist

20090925 14:54:37 nbsp Perhaps each time you get reverted by a gnome, you lose the ability to edit for some amount of time.  That time starts very small, but doubles each time.  Over time, if you are good and dont get reverted, your penalty gets reduced.  If you start a revert war and get reverted by gnomes frequently, youll automagically lose your editing ability for quite some time, and the revert war will die almost immediately. Users/IDoNotExist
  Yeah, that could work.  I dont know if others would go for it, but maybe?  I guess one problem would be that some people think that some gnomes are a bit quick on the revert button. Users/CovertProfessor

20090928 07:45:36 nbsp When I saw the Young Americans for Liberty entry pop up, I was envisioning a Glenn Beck group and was shuddering to see how that would go over locally. Users/JabberWokky
  Yeah.  As you http://daviswiki.org/Libertarian?actionrecall&version1 said, libertarian covers a wide array of beliefs.  It remains to be seen what this group is about.   Users/CovertProfessor

20090929 15:43:03 nbsp Students in the dorms arent in Davis, how can they be included?

your numbers seem slightly high, are you including king and grad schools? Users/StevenDaubert
 Ive got the links up there now for the numbers.  Of course, this doesnt show that 30K of the 65K is students.  But as someone else said, students not living in dorms wont be excluded from the census.  (Picture:  Sorry, youre a student  you dont count.)  Living in Davis is living in Davis.   Users/CovertProfessor

20090930 02:58:32 nbsp ¬_¬

if you live in the dorms, you live in yolo county. Those census figures would go to yolo county, its just like the trailer park over near research parkway, not in Davis, even though it clearly is. Same thing with el macero. Its not about them being students, its about them not being in Davis. On a different note, 30k includes undergrad and all post grad students or just undergrads alone? Users/StevenDaubert
  Right  read what I wrote above more carefully: students not living in dorms wont be excluded from the census.  As EdWins noted, there are only about 5K students living in dorms.  And yes, the ~30K number includes graduate students (dont they count too??) but I doubt it includes postdocs, since postdocs are not students.   Users/CovertProfessor

20091003 21:36:10 nbsp Hungry? Users/IDoNotExist
  Heh.  No, just inspired by my wonderful YoloBerry yogurt this evening to do something Ive been meaning to do for a long time.   Users/CovertProfessor

   Mmmmm...Yoloberry..... Users/IDoNotExist
    Open until 11...  Users/CovertProfessor

20091007 10:42:06 nbsp There is some very good discussion here that would likely be useful to future people seeking answers.  Might I humbly propose some entry similar to Dental Questions, something along the lines of Academia Questions (as opposed to Academic Questions, i.e., this would have to do with the actual process of being in and rising into the world of formal academia, teaching, research, grants, application, etc).  Basically, the process from undergrads looking to get into a PhD program on up (which overlaps a bit with those looking to get a doctorate to pursue industry careers, but that probably makes sense, as I know people who thought they were bound for a industry job who fell into positions in university research groups).  The focus would be on UCD of course, for people passing through UCD as they obtain degrees or questions about UCD within the context of people seeking postdoc and higher positions at UCD. Users/JabberWokky
  Thats a good idea.  How about Q & A for Prospective Academics as a page title?  And we could prime it by cutting and pasting relevant bits from my page.  Users/CovertProfessor

  Excellent idea!  Users/IDoNotExist

20091013 12:06:30 nbsp The other was by request of the poster (Jon).  Im a bit hesitant to get into judgement calls regarding border cases, as that might place the legal responsibility elsewhere from the actual person posting the content. Users/JabberWokky

20091027 13:19:45 nbsp It would be best if you stayed out of all future instances that have anything to do with me at all. Users/RealComputers

20091027 18:26:28 nbsp BTW, grading exams was completely awful. It had its ups and downs during the process, but now Im pretty sure a good chunk of the preMED must get a 4.0 crowd hate me right now :(   Users/EdWins
  Oh well, there is no way to satisfy that crowd.  No doubt youll hear from them, trying to get points back.  I had a few of those myself today.  Again, not the best part of the job.   Users/CovertProfessor

20091027 20:30:39 nbsp How did the pizza compare to other pizzas in the area? Users/IDoNotExist
  I think that Village Bakery/Village Pizza makes the best regular pizza in Davis.  Symposiums pizza is also very good, in my opinion, but only if youre in the mood for something a bit heavier and richer.   Users/CovertProfessor
   Im going to quote you on my page, please dont remove it  Users/StevenDaubert
    Oh, good.  Id love to endorse your bunny rabbit with my pizza preferences.   Users/CovertProfessor
      I would concur wholeheartedly your first statement, what comes in 2nd in regular pizza (or is that in your reviews)  you need a comment archive  Users/StevenDaubert

20091027 23:55:11 nbsp Expanding on Dauberts comment, since you have so many comments and reviews in your page, it might aid navigation if each type of food were listed on a distinct page, or at least if there were a separate page that contained your reviews.  Pages that archive comments by year would also be really helpful in making the comments easy to sort through. Users/IDoNotExist
  Agreed.  Theres no need for rigid homogeneity in the wiki.  Having a Covert Professors Picks would probably be fun, and anybody who wanted to could create their own Picks page... once there were enough, they could be crosslinked as a best of Davis by critic type entry named Picks.  It would move a bit toward busting up the monotony of phone number, dry description, too many reviews that constitutes so much of the wiki these days, add some personality back, and might even prompt some editors to realize they are empowered to build out the wiki beyond what weve already got. jw
   I do have a quick picks at the top of my page, as well as within page links to each type of food for longer reviews.  I know you all have been after me to archive my comments for awhile... maybe one of these days Ill do it.  :)  Users/CovertProfessor

20091028 08:03:54 nbsp dont give in! Users/EdWins
  Heh.  That is certainly the easiest path.  :)   Users/CovertProfessor

20091028 11:16:18 nbsp please drop it Users/RealComputers

20091028 12:58:22 nbsp I want you to stop all communication with me. I want you to stope leaving me any comments. We have never gotten along so why continue to argue? Please just do not respond to this and let this be clean and over with.  Users/RealComputers

20091030 11:31:18 nbsp He was placed on a cool down ban a couple minutes before you commented.   Users/JabberWokky

20091030 19:50:59 nbsp I think Users/RealComputers was also trying to remove the phrase Royally Sucks from the page if you go back and look at some of the edits. Nice grammer fixes by the way. Users/JasonAller

20091030 20:11:19 nbsp Much improved... Users/IDoNotExist

20091030 20:17:00 nbsp Mmmmm... ambiguous pronoun referent.... singular their.... ) Users/WilliamLewis

20091030 22:02:32 nbsp http://prairiehome.publicradio.org/programs/2008/01/19/scripts/english.shtml Users/IDoNotExist
  :)  Users/CovertProfessor

20091101 14:27:30 nbsp the city is going to get sued if they ban fires. I know a nice older gentleman who has SAD and needs a fire or he will probably kill himself Users/StevenDaubert

20091101 14:33:01 nbsp a camera that shows 1 frame a second in a private business is different than encouraging others to help force an agenda that is misguided.

We dont have AC or heating in our house, but we have a fireplace, you really advocate having us be cold cause we dont ride a heater and chose to find and cure wood that is suitable for burning? Users/StevenDaubert

20091101 14:34:37 nbsp and the webcam thing is just people overreacting, what possible negative things can result from that? People randomly look at you all the time on the street, its the same thing just over the internet and with less refresh Users/StevenDaubert

  I think there are few things more insidious than societys increasing tolerance of the loss of privacy, of which Yolo Berry is yet one more instance.  It will come back to bite us.  It is already biting us (Bush adminstration tactics, not completely ended with Obama administration; see also the UK)
 What I advocate is that we find out whether there is a problem, and then take appropriate action to deal with the problem if one is found.  Appropriate action might include money to help people financially if a wood fireplace is their only source of heating.  Surely you dont think you have the right to harm the health of others for your own heating needs if alternatives are available?  Surely you recognize that living in a society with others requires some restrictions on absolute freedom?  I realize that you dont think there are negative health impacts from fireplaces.  But my point is that we should find out and deal with the situation if there are.  Users/CovertProfessor

20091101 14:45:37 nbsp yeah, pick on homeowners cause they dont have a lobby like truckers. Our energy bill is 30 dollars a month on a 3/2. Fireplaces are such a non problem its disgusting that so much energy is put towards making them the devil.

As far as the yolo berry camera goes, I would love to see how many hits they get on it and how long ips stay connected to the feed. its not in a public corner going straight to the police who can then yell at you thru a loudspeaker ala UK. Worry about the patriot act letting the man look at what books you check out from the library instead of some misguided business owners trying to drum up support in the cutthroat yogurt business of Davis. Users/StevenDaubert
  If I am picking on homeowners, then I am picking on myself.  Were all in this together.  Were all neighbors.  Were going to have conflicts.  If its not going to be allout war, we need to listen to each others concerns and find ways to solve them.  Youre assuming that burning your fireplace is not a health issue.  I love a big roaring fire myself, but I can also tell that it affects my breathing, and I am a healthy person.  I worry about the seniors in my neighborhood.  Again, all I am saying is that this is worthy of study.
 If its on the internet, its at the police station, its at the government; its everywhere.  As for Yolo Berry, they are my favorite yogurt place in town and I frequent them frequently.  Not sure what I will do now that there is a web cam.  But if their customers dont like it  for whatever reason  Yolo Berry should know about it.   Frankly, I think there are better ways that they can compete.  Users/CovertProfessor

20091101 14:54:01 nbsp yeah well I talk with wes and lee, I left them a message. I guarantee you they didnt expect the hippies in town to flip like they did over a silly webcam.

its real neighborly to get policy made instead of walking next door and discussing things like adults. Users/StevenDaubert
  Glad you told the Yolo Berry folks; I do want their business to succeed.
 My neighbors tell me that they havent gotten much traction when they tried to discuss it with their fireplaceusing neighbors.  Gee, maybe they react exactly like youre reacting here, whaddya think?   Users/CovertProfessor

20091101 15:00:50 nbsp were all wrong and all bad people and everything gives you cancer more legislation is obviously the key did you see the article in the bee today about the people who live next to cigar smokers and are litigating now? Users/StevenDaubert

20091101 15:39:36 nbsp Wood burning adds soot and other particulates into the atmosphere, along with various greenhouse gases.  Conversion of plants to gases in an unfiltered fire is a good way to contribute heavily to global warming, along with acid rain and smog. The emissions are also potentially very bad for anyone with breathing problems.  If you are taking an action that potentially harms others, then the burden is on you to mitigate it, since other people cant.  Its no different than if you were blasting your stereo in the middle of the night and waking up your neighbors.  While you may benefit from it in musical enjoyment, your neighbors are negatively impacted by it, and you are in a position to prevent them from being impacted at all.

The camera thing is scary for a different reason.  Covert is right.  Once the video is out there, its out there for everyone.  While I really dont think that theres likely to be an issue for someone knowing that someone else bought a chocolate frozen yogurt at Yoloberry (mmm...Yoloberry...), we do have a great example (the UK) of a country where small adjustments to the level of surveillance let to it being essentially impossible for anyone to do anything in the UK without being captured on video.  See this recent article in the NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/25/world/europe/25surveillance.html?_r1&scp1&squk%20%20camera%20family%20balloon&stcse Users/IDoNotExist
  Exactly.   Users/CovertProfessor

20091101 15:49:34 nbsp Reno has particularly bad air, and firewood bans and talk of it have been around http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/chicagotribune/access/25074013.html?dids25074013:25074013&FMTABS&FMTSABS:FT&typecurrent&dateFeb+10,+1985&authorJames+Coates,+Chicago+Tribune&pubChicago+Tribune+(pre1997+Fulltext)&descLOG+SMOG+PUTS+HEALTH+FEAR+IN+THE+AIR&pqatlgoogle since 1985. Since then, its been talked about and mentioned a lot.  Home fireplaces are big, big particle polluters.  Im a bit surprised that much of the Davis that touts its environmental activism and love for ecofriendly bicycle culture among other things (which come up any single time someone wants to build houses) are yet still very keen on woodburning and wave off some of the extremely well known detrimental affects. Users/EdWins

20091101 16:03:15 nbsp not at all, it just means I have to integrate my comments and not attribute them to me Users/StevenDaubert

20091101 23:49:59 nbsp Ive noted a sudden increase in effective gnoming, now that there are fewer distractions... Users/IDoNotExist
  Yes, interesting!  Suddenly, enthusiasm and time to do something positive.   Users/CovertProfessor

20091102 09:00:22 nbsp It (surprisingly to me) really upset somebody whom I respect.  They objected to the comment referring to Davis as a small town, which in my mind is a poetic/cultural outlook description more than strict numbers, but to them meant dinky or small in numbers.  The point was more about the location and proximal options than Davis itself.  It was a minor addition, one I didnt really see it as worth debating, so I removed it.  As a side point, it occurred to me that if a sizable university is in any location other than a major metropolis, the surrounding city is always a University town, not a University city.  Something makes just about any municipality with a heavily influential student population a town rather than city.  Its probably similar to boat versus ship or house versus estate  more than just size dictates the appropriate term. Users/JabberWokky

20091102 09:32:40 nbsp Thats probably true for larger cities as well.  Boston is often referred to as a university town (it has at least 5 major ones), but its a big city. Users/IDoNotExist
   DC, Miami and Orlando dont fall into the term... Durham sometimes does.  I think it has more to do with the visibility of the student body within the city, but thats a gut feeling without any significant thought on the subject.  On the other hand, cultural nomenclature and connotation seldom holds up to overanalysis.  To invoke a hoary cliche, it is what it is. jw

20091103 17:40:48 nbsp Wiki founder gets 15 minutes of fame in NY Times...
http://s.nyt.com/u/DiB Users/IDoNotExist
  Very cool.  Too bad he couldnt have gotten in a quick wikispot reference.  :)   Users/CovertProfessor

20091104 22:09:52 nbsp Did it remember its name when it was a young bike with training wheels? Users/IDoNotExist
  I think it did!   Users/CovertProfessor

20091107 16:32:33 nbsp Hey, Im trying to cross link Growth Politics (which deals solely with the actual political actions connected to growth) to the various opinion entries.  Im guessing from your edit activity that you may have made a sweep through those wiki entries that relate to the topic, so if you notice anything that should really cross link that I missed, please add it. Users/JabberWokky

20091107 19:55:20 nbsp Nice addition.  I was thinking that lawsuits would make sense within the context of political action.  In fact, you jogged my memory about the city filing against Dixon over the Dixon Downs plans. Users/JabberWokky

20091110 20:35:25 nbsp Sophias  thai icedtea($3) has free refills
Cultive now is self serve, and has more flavors (even Pistachio!)
The last time I went to Fluffy Donut they were out of creme filled, but filled a chocolate longjohn for me :)
How is there no Chipotle review? Users/GreatRyan

20091110 21:00:04 nbsp One of these days Ill make a poor mans wiki restaurant review. Sure Chipotle isnt that great, but theres no limit to the size, only your desire to be polite holds you back! I asked for extra cheese six times once :) Users/GreatRyan

20091113 00:06:58 nbsp Well, I thought that Internet Service Provider was kind of long and Service was a little redundant, but I agree it has a more recognized meaning. William pointed out to me that one reason for having service is that without it the acronym would be the same as for Internet Protocol which would be very confusing. Anyway, Im definitely willing to go either way. Users/NickSchmalenberger

20091113 01:10:08 nbsp Wouldnt that be Internet Protocol over an Internet Provider, or IP over IP  IP / IP  1? Users/IDoNotExist
  Oh no  canceled out!   Users/CovertProfessor

20091116 10:27:56 nbsp I had my doubts also, some of these things I found were from several years ago. I think it is a better fit on the street pages for me. I dont have a route for looking for stuff, so finding these things for me is most connected with coincidentally being on that street. Users/NickSchmalenberger

20091119 17:19:12 nbsp Its a common misconception that servers get paid less than the normal minimum wage. This is wrong. In California, the minimum wage is $8 with certain exemptions for apprentices and certain kinds of agricultural workers. Restaurant workers are not exempted. Additionally, a restaurant cannot use tips to go towards this minimum wage. Users/WilliamLewis
  Thanks for the information  I hadnt realized that California was different from most other states in that respect.  I still think that servers in general work hard and dont get paid much, though.  (And I have found the servers at Thai Nakorn in particular to be very friendly and accommodating).  And I definitely dont see any reason why we should be suggesting that they be given less of a tip.  Because the restaurant had the audacity to offer a coupon that is only for a small amount?  That makes no sense.   Users/CovertProfessor

20091121 11:18:39 nbsp Actually, in California all employees are required to be paid at least min wage plus tips. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid20070617001218AA05k0f Users/KellyM

20091121 21:15:43 nbsp hi. im actually in china, teaching. totally happy to help spread info about whats going on since its something that i wanted to happen when i was a student there. happy youre helping out in disseminating the information.  Users/JessicaRockwell

20091122 15:23:48 nbsp Has a protest ever actually accomplished anything? I cant seem to think of any specific examples. Users/hankim
  Unionization of ucd food service workers under AFSCME in 07, the result of a long chain of protests and negotiations with the administration.
     I feel like it doesnt count if a protest includes a strike as well because if there is a strike, there is some leverage against the other side. Although, I am unsure if that included a strike? Users/hankim

20091128 14:35:25 nbsp Heh... Users/IDoNotExist

20091129 14:53:08 nbsp Like the list. I believe we have similar tastes. :D   Id wonder how you would review places outside of Davis.  Users/atwong

20091129 21:55:33 nbsp It sounds to me to be someone who is trying to give Luci a hard time, not an uninterested party expressing a valid opinion. This person bothered to leave only one comment about this topic, on one specific business page, and has made no other postings whatsoever.  Seems fishy thats all. Having said that, Im fine if someone wants to revert it back.  Thats how the wiki works, it just doesnt feel right to me. Users/Davidlm

20091206 20:22:12 nbsp It looks like we may only have snow from 69 AM, at which point it will turn back into rain, and the snow may be melted away. Users/IDoNotExist
  Well, then best to wake up early...  Users/CovertProfessor

20091206 20:56:40 nbsp Im glad Im not the only person excited about the snow tomorrow...

Hmmm... To study for my final tomorrow morning or to run out into the white and have fun? If youre hosting finals tomorrow, please be extra kind to your students :) Users/H4rry
  Always.  :)   Users/CovertProfessor

20091213 19:25:28 nbsp Ive been wondering why reviews for Mustard Seed and Bistro 33 (amongst other popular spots?) seem to be missing from your repertoire of reviews..? Users/H4rry
  I have heard too many negative things about the owners of the Mustard Seed  both from people on the wiki and in real life  to want to give them any of my business.  As for Bistro 33, Ive only been there once.  It struck me as not my sort of place  trying a bit too hard to be trendy.  And the food was mediocre and a bit overpriced for what it was.  I never wrote a review, though, because I usually try to visit a place more than once before coming to a definite conclusion.  The patio looks lovely, and for sure Id go there just for that except they require that dogs sit outside the patio, a policy that I dont like.  So, until someone drags me there again, I probably wont go on my own.  But when I do, Ill write a review.  Then again, maybe Ive just written one.  :)   Users/CovertProfessor

20091226 06:11:41 nbsp good call Users/StevenDaubert
  Just thought it could be a little clearer.  :)   Users/CovertProfessor

20100104 18:20:48 nbsp You arent the only one. Users/JasonAller

20100104 22:16:17 nbsp Thanks for helping rewrite the page about the hospital. Im confused though about why the two doctors offices are mentioned as places students shouldnt go in an emergency. Isnt this equally true for anyone at any doctors office? Users/NickSchmalenberger

20100104 23:11:40 nbsp RE: Abella vs. Abba.... it bothers me a lot. I have no affiliation with either business, but I do know bad ethics when I see them. I love small business, and it really irks me when one small business uses not so nice tactics against another. My own personal opinion is that this is what is occurring with the name thing. The http://www.barbercosmo.ca.gov/ Board of Barbering and Cosmetology still has Abella on file in the same location, while Abbas license is new and has the old nail salon address. I would think this is fairly indicative of a new business being established next door rather than what Users/Davis25s edits are suggesting.

Ive taken a less direct approach to this issue because I seem to bring all the anonymous users out of the woodwork when I open my mouth! Users/MichellePalmer

20100106 20:52:01 nbsp Thanks CovertProfessor for the corrections to my wiki page (Pilates Flow Fitness). Sincerely, crpike Users/crpike

20100107 20:42:50 nbsp Nicely worded reply to Soon. Users/JabberWokky

20100108 18:54:49 nbsp Do you want to Welcome Users/Luther, or should I do it? Users/JasonAller

20100108 19:49:16 nbsp Oh, I agree they are the same person. Read my comment to Users/thomas1955@surewest.net where I suggest that they close that account and come back with another one. As such maybe the comment they left as Users/Luther could be restored? Yes, they had sockpuppeted under the old account, but maybe Luther was an attempt at a clean slate? Users/JasonAller

20100108 22:57:59 nbsp I agree that the sudden burst of edits raises a lot of suspicion. It does on that page, and on any other where what appears to be a business owner makes a few edits and then suddenly there are a flurry of extremely positive reviews. Keep in mind that some of them may be genuinely independent and honest, but good luck sorting out which are which. Ive been feeling pretty disappointed about a lot of the recent Self Interest Single Topic EditoRs (SISTERs), particularly those editing using organizational account names. When you care for the wiki on an ongoing basis it is hard not to have times when your focus is drawn toward the edits of people who are abusing the wiki either out of ignorance, which is fixable, or an inability to see the wiki as anything other than a tool to their own ends, which is not fixable.
I guess part of my reason for leaving you the first comment about Users/Luther was that it troubles me to see someones early edits reverted without a note being left one their user page. Sort of along the lines that if it is worth taking the time to revert, then it is worth taking the time to welcome and attempt to educate. On the other hand I dont do that on the main Wiki Spot hub wiki because there is less community there and the spammers and people who just dont get what a wiki is for are much less likely to benefit from the effort of trying to reach out and educate.
The recent use of the term Wiki Cops by an upset editor was pretty offensive, and I really liked JabberWokkys response to it. My own reaction is that the use of that term demonstrates a huge lack of understanding about the nature of this wiki. When Im editing here on Davis Wiki Im mostly a librarian in that Im cataloging and fixing links. I also clean up after other editors (as some of them clean up after me), and try to reach out to new editors and point them in the direction of resources that might aide in their becoming successful members of this community that so many of us have worked hard to make possible and positive.
Thank you for all the really good edits youve been making. Users/JasonAller

20100110 13:21:24 nbsp Those are specifically the places that also sell frozen yogurt.  Im actually planning on going back and doing the Ice Cream places in a moment as well.  Presumably, if there were a frozen yogurt place that also sold ice cream, Id add the ice cream cross ref to them. Users/JabberWokky

20100110 13:29:15 nbsp ...and done! Users/JabberWokky

20100110 18:02:17 nbsp They should be (and are) crosslinked in their intros, as they are all related.  I think a top level entry for just three categories is a little much, but a {{{desserts}}} entry and even a triple part list on date food (and kids food) might make sense (I think deserts exists... which is why Im linking it.  If it doesnt, it should (edit: it does, under dessert).  Desserts for their own sake fit culturally into a few spheres of activity, like dating, kids and... what else? Users/JabberWokky

20100110 19:28:50 nbsp Now its my turn to be a bit confused... why did you add frozen yogurt and gelato to Dairy Queen... or gelato to Ben and Jerrys?  They only have ice cream and ice cream and yogurt, respectively (as far as I know). Users/JabberWokky

20100110 20:10:20 nbsp Oh, I dont mind either way.  When editing the wiki, other ideas of how to do things are always okay... and if you think this kind of linking makes sense, Ill roll with it.  If you think my way made more sense (just listing the crosslinks for what they actually offer), Ill zip through and fix the entries.  Either way is useful, so Im not terribly concerned.  My only tiny reservation is that it seems to imply that the place offers all three. Users/JabberWokky

20100114 22:49:47 nbsp I liked your comment on the Roxies discussion page, Speaking personally — yes, I want the downtown to thrive and be successful. But please understand that the purpose of the wiki is not to promote any particular business, or even the downtown in general. The purpose is to serve as a resource for the Davis community. Thus, both good and bad comments are retained, text that is too adlike or promotional is removed, and the pages should reflect what is true and accurate. Users/PhilipNeustrom

20100115 16:16:25 nbsp Nice call on 103. Users/JabberWokky

20100115 21:48:28 nbsp Haha, true, true...I was tempted to turn it into a big redirectloop... Users/JoePomidor

20100119 09:52:51 nbsp Thank you for the catch.  Ive been up for two days straight, launching a service and working with somebody in Italy, eight hours ahead.   Im taking a nap now.  Its amzinag that I get thr lettres and order of words in right. Users/JabberWokky

20100119 10:17:51 nbsp Eep! Users/IDoNotExist

20100119 21:03:21 nbsp Things that dont exist often change history... Users/IDoNotExist

20100119 22:33:25 nbsp The eep, however, was in relation to a certain wikichange... Users/IDoNotExist

20100119 23:38:38 nbsp No no.  More along the lines of a change in status... Users/IDoNotExist

20100120 12:48:10 nbsp Indeed.  Any idea why that occurred? Users/IDoNotExist

20100120 18:07:21 nbsp That was really nicely written. I think you handled the issue of asking them to use their real name well. Users/JasonAller

20100122 20:56:02 nbsp Part of the reason that Wiki Community/Archiving Comments never got an instructions section is that different people use different naming conventions and structures for archives. So far there isnt one way that emerged as the way to write up. I suppose we could write up the options for each step. Do you think if it were written up clearly that wed see it being abused by archiving any time a negative comment landed on the page followed up by a bunch of suspiciously wonderful comments? Users/JasonAller
  It seems to me that we could just recommend one common and simple way of doing it, and say that variations on that theme have been used.  And emphasize that generally people archive only past years, labeled by year  and that archiving recent comments will likely be reverted, especially comments from the current year.  And selectively archiving comments will almost definitely be reverted, unless were all asleep at the switch.   Users/CovertProfessor

20100122 21:46:46 nbsp I dont think premiere was meant as an advertising adjective.  I googled it and it seems to be a ranking or at least an accurate part of the description of the Wizards of the Coast Premier Store Program.    Per http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?xretailer/faq their faq stores start at a bronze tier and work their way up based on it seems their engagement and support of instore game playing and so on.  Users/EdWins
  Ah, I didnt actually do my own google  I was relying on http://daviswiki.org/Users/JabberWokky?actiondiff&version21243&version11242 William Lewiss.  If its legit, it should be restored  though I see no reason it needs to be in all caps.   Users/CovertProfessor

20100126 20:15:19 nbsp Thank you! Users/IDoNotExist

20100126 23:20:31 nbsp RealName ! Mohammad, RealName would be MohammadX where x is a variable. Im sure that Mohammad is his name, I just want a family name as well, odds are good there is more than one in Dtown. Users/StevenDaubert

20100126 23:29:05 nbsp truth

good cleanup btw Users/StevenDaubert

20100127 21:11:24 nbsp It was just my exact irl reaction, and I figured I would share with the rest of the wiki exactly how I felt Users/StevenDaubert

20100130 21:35:55 nbsp Reverting to 132 would give http://daviswiki.org/Bizarro_World?actiondiff&version1149&version2132 this diff. Why do we need to remove the bit about the owner? Why do we need to keep the davis location part? Yeah, once we resolve this, removing the stop macro would be a no brainer. I think http://daviswiki.org/Bizarro_World?actiondiff&version1149&version2147 this is the edit that is needed (revert to version 147). Users/WilliamLewis

20100130 22:18:03 nbsp I believe thats a good one... and was agreed to earlier, so it is likely to garner quick and simple positions. Users/JabberWokky

20100130 22:31:20 nbsp (And what William said above... reverting to remove obvious bits of info and correction made since then is silly). Users/JabberWokky

20100131 17:47:19 nbsp http://daviswiki.org/Computer_Repair/Talk?actiondiff&version280&version178 Brian was saying the same thing October. Users/WilliamLewis

20100131 18:03:18 nbsp Yup. And then I welcomed him to the wiki with a http://daviswiki.org/Users/RealComputers?actiondiff&version26&version12 comment saying his criticism revealed him as an amateur. Users/WilliamLewis

20100203 11:05:28 nbsp I did not notice that you had unbolbed the part about 24 hours on the RC page until after I rebolded it, but can you please leave it bold? I think its significant that repairs can be completed so quickly.  Users/RealComputers

20100203 17:50:21 nbsp That was Arlen Theory.  The idea is that if you write something badly enough, it will prompt somebody else to write it in a much better way.  It also amused me, as I wonder how often the one sentence introductions atop long lists are read.  Thus the cough comment.  It was not a very serious edit, and I really should fix it. Users/JabberWokky
  Ha!  I like the Arlen Theory.  A good motivator.   Users/CovertProfessor

20100204 20:37:53 nbsp RE: Mobility heading on {{{Templates/Apartment/Temp}}}  you caught me... Im trying to raise the profile of the allencompassing term. Ive got this idea floating around that our community needs to start thinking about all of our transportation planning holistically.  So, Im suggesting that we merge the Bicycle Advisory Commission, Safety & Parking Commission, Unitrans Advisory Committee and the Americans with Disability Act (ADA) Committee into on single commission: the City of Davis Mobility Commission. Users/KemblePope

20100205 16:32:44 nbsp I indulge quite a bit, I love ice cream and cookies just be sure to brush and floss :) Users/DagonJones

20100205 19:54:10 nbsp I would join you in your productive edits, but I am now stranded by snow at a Burger King (editing by phone).  I scraped a foot of snow off the car, and all I could think is I cant wait to be back in California.  Of course, Sarah has promising post doc positions in Boston, so I may really hate the next two winters.  Curse her career!!  (Of course, Berkeley is still an open potential target). Users/JabberWokky

20100206 15:29:11 nbsp Thank you  for the spaces! Users/JabberWokky

20100206 18:16:53 nbsp Much better; thank you. Users/DonShor

20100207 17:47:04 nbsp Im sticking with local froyo, too. No Hollywood hotshot place will take me away from the deliciousness of Yolo Berry :D Users/ChristyMarsden

20100208 22:35:16 nbsp Looks like business as usual at Hometown. People lining up to order at the register and all. Selfserve water. Maybe theyll go full service later. For now, though, its same old hometown, snazzy new location with more seating.

Image(hometownopeningnight.jpg, thumbnail) Users/WilliamLewis

20100209 08:59:56 nbsp Hey, I tried to chop down the Talk page on Real Computers, but was having trouble finding key points on anything remaining.  A few people had voiced their view that the discussion should end soon, so I deleted it.  In part, I deleted it because I knew the people who still might want to discuss anything (like you) have the knowledge of how to go back and pull your last active thread and restate the specific points that are still being discussed.  That last version was a bit all over the map.  In short, I wasnt trying to force an end to the conversation, just a cleanup and refocus, but I wasnt certain enough to be sure Id pick out the relevant points for the people still discussing things, so Im leaving it to the participants.  Users/JabberWokky

20100209 09:05:33 nbsp It makes sense to me.  There are a few Talk pages out there with it would be really time consuming, but a great idea if somebody....   Users/JabberWokky

20100210 14:08:15 nbsp Real world.  People who have called your dog/puppy cute? Users/JabberWokky
  Which comment are you referring to?  Sorry, a bit busy this afternoon/evening  I missed the edit.  Everyone thinks my dog is cute, and for good reason.  :)   Users/CovertProfessor
    I just had a flash of inspiration regarding a possible meaning behind the long mysterious: CovertProfessors cute count: 8. Apparently, the cute count will be remaining at 8.
     Ah, no, but good guess.  (Though then the cute count might be 10 bazillion or something).  Actually, some people figured it out awhile back, but they deleted their guesses to leave the mystery.  :)   Users/CovertProfessor

20100210 16:07:13 nbsp I have been discreetly pointed to the relevant comment, and I am now enlightened.  I would not have figured that out at this date. Users/JabberWokky
  Ah, yes, its a bit of an old joke at this point.  I suspect youre sorry it wasnt just left as a mystery.  :)

20100214 22:17:46 nbsp Quite the plethora of stealthy people of late... Users/IDoNotExist
 Indeed.  Jealous, I guess. cp

20100216 20:46:32 nbsp gratzi Users/StevenDaubert

20100221 10:56:47 nbsp I honestly lost track, as there were a large number of sections on several entries being consolidated, broken out and moved.  I had a pattern I was following to make sure everything was carefully kept, but was unable to maintain the pattern due to crossedits occurring  despite a few pleas to wait until the consolidation was complete.  I currently hold a tentative belief that all points were integrated, but there was actual content editing (not just housekeeping edits that moved things around) while I was trying to split and merge, which destroyed the clear trail I was trying to establish.  At one point I had a text editor with sorted and grouped blocks that I was adding back to the entries (cutting, so the text file emptied out as the content went back into the wiki).  To add to the confusion, at one point there was a server reload, which caused at least one edit to be lost.  Im pretty darn certain I caught that one and placed it back.  I wound up just quickly dumping in what I had (so it was at least vaguely in place), adding one point and then declaring that I was abstaining from editing, as someone had to back off to prevent the chaos from multiple editors working at cross purposes.  I actually would have backed off much earlier (and just returned after a few hours or a day) rather than pushing forward so aggressively, except that I had actual content that was in midmove and had already been deleted from the wiki.  Those large structural moves, especially when youre splitting or merging content, do poorly when they occur at the same time the content itself is being actively edited.  I had thought there was a pretty clear group agreement to make the changes, and did not expect editing to occur (or a server reload!) while I was making them.  Part of it is that foo is a novice and enthusiastic editor who was a little zealous about very quickly correcting the mistakes I was making as I grouped blocks of related content together, much of which duplicated each other in different wordings (as is typical when you merge similar entries and want to have all versions in the new entrys history).  If anything was lost, I dont think it was significant or unique, and there is now a (hopefully) more consolidated and useful set of entries to press forward with.  The next step I envision as follow up will be to go through and either delete the Talk page or at least cut it way down by eliminating the discussion rendered moot by the changes that were made.  I wanted to leave it for a day or two rather than just zeroing it out right after the changes that had been discussed occurred. Users/JabberWokky

20100221 17:30:45 nbsp Thanks for catching those. Users/JasonAller

20100222 13:20:39 nbsp http://daviswiki.org/International_House_of_Pancakes?actiondiff&version248&version147 Me gusta. Users/WilliamLewis

20100222 15:13:12 nbsp I snorted milk up my nose when I read your garden variety gnome comment.  I wasnt drinking milk.  Should I be worried? Users/TomGarberson

20100222 15:37:07 nbsp Dear Nose Doctor: My nose has two cavities.  Do I need to get them filled?  If so, do I need a medical professional, or can I just go to a swimming shop? Users/TomGarberson

20100223 18:36:19 nbsp I have met the tommyw fellow at the luxury outhouse when I went in there once, he is a nice guy who seems to really care for his mother.  I think he just got a little offended and didnt get the humor, maybe he is a bit overprotective.  btw I thought it was pretty funny Users/DagonJones

20100223 19:18:09 nbsp I was thinking the same thing when I read the name! Its like how I always make fun of leau de toilette whenever I am at a department store. Users/hankim

20100223 21:19:00 nbsp For what its worth, I also thought your outreach to tommieW was dead on, and I was totally baffled by the response it generated. Users/TomGarberson

20100301 07:27:07 nbsp Thanks for explaining things to Users/TanyaLawrence, that was nice. Users/NickSchmalenberger

20100303 12:58:41 nbsp Rumors of my existence are highly exaggerated, and are most likely a figment of someones imagination...

Will you be at the meeting tonight?  Users/IDoNotExist

20100303 13:30:29 nbsp If I were to run into you at some point (not that I would know it was you anyway), I promise not to make you less covert.  Of course, since I dont actually exist, this seems unlikely to happen.  But its a strange universe, so one never knows. Users/IDoNotExist

20100303 16:15:31 nbsp Looming deadlines can be solved by weaving grants and papers! Users/IDoNotExist

20100303 16:15:49 nbsp Oh, and thank you :) Users/IDoNotExist

20100304 08:45:30 nbsp Personally, Im of the same opinion.  Right now Jason, Joe and anybody else doing selective reverts are kind of finding the water level where those important edits are retained.    Most can be discarded as fluff (actually, I think quite a bit of fluff could be pruned from here and there all over the wiki).  I think I know who Srendi is, and if so, hes done this a few times before. Users/JabberWokky

20100305 09:10:59 nbsp Just to be clear, I agree with you about the policy points and I agree that we do need to get the administrators on our side (although UCOP is far more vital there than Mrak).  My objection is to the actual protest that occurred yesterday, not to its supposed goals.  No matter how you frame the objective, what they did was counterproductive.  Theyre only going to alienate administration of all levels, theyre going to make the UC and its students look bad in Sacramento and throughout the state (i.e. to the voters), and theyre harming thousands of students education, ostensibly in the name of protecting higher education.

If this were a sane, vandalismfree protest that was rationally related to its goals, I would support it 100%.  But just because I agree with the ends doesnt mean Im going to sit back and ignore the means. Users/TomGarberson
  Tom, I think were on the same page.   Users/CovertProfessor

20100305 09:33:46 nbsp Again, Don, I know you see yourself as the whiteknight of Davis businesses. Thats a little disparaging, especially coming from an anonymous Wikian. I do think that businesses in general are treated with suspicion on the Wiki. What I really wonder is why you are so particularly concerned about every single edit that occurs on RCs page.  Users/DonShor

20100305 16:22:19 nbsp We have quite a few disagreements as well as quite a few agreements, just wanted to make sure that there were no hard feelings?  Users/hankim

20100306 23:13:14 nbsp whistles innocently Users/TomGarberson

20100307 22:18:10 nbsp snicker Users/TomGarberson

20100307 22:25:27 nbsp <: Users/IDoNotExist

20100307 23:52:59 nbsp It is rather nice to see a generation protesting on college campuses.  Really, its about time.  I was stunned by how little protesting there was in the last decade... Users/IDoNotExist

20100308 00:01:14 nbsp I guess if I look at it as practice in hopes of figuring out how to protest in ways that arent so counterproductive I can be a bit more optimistic about it.  I dont know enough about what goes on between the UCD administration and Sacramento to say much about it, other than that I strongly suspect Oakland has far more influence than does Mrak.  If it were local plus Sac and UCOP, that would certainly alleviate one of my concerns.  Thats still just one among many, though.

Its also probably true that many protests are ruined by just a couple of bad actors.  Thats something that needs to be taken into account when planning these things, though.  If youre going to go that avenue, you dont get a free pass on foreseeable consequences just because your intentions are good.  Im not a fan of negligence any more than I am of shirking personal responsibility. Users/TomGarberson
  The protests did include Oakland + Mrak + Sac.  Its just that weve only covered the local protests in our wiki page.  I suspect youre right that protests need to be planned  perhaps deciding on which routes and actions to take ahead of time.  But theres no telling when a crowd might become a mob with a mind of its own.  As I said, though, you and I agree on almost everything.  Im mainly reveling in the students taking any kind of action. Users/CovertProfessor
   The Oakland protest was City Hall and 880, not, as far as Im aware, UCOP.  Why they went to City Hall in a city that doesnt even host a UC campus when just down the road there was the actual administration for the entire university I couldnt say.  And yeah, Im glad that there was a decent sized group at Sacramento.  I guess that does fit the bill somewhat, although I still maintain that it was poorly planned and poorly executed. tg
    Agreed.  cp

20100308 00:04:47 nbsp CP, I think it would be awesome if you hung out (read: idled) in the IRC room.  Just my two cents. Users/AlexanderHo
  Oh, I would  except I already spend far too much time on this wiki.  I fear an even greater time drain if I got onto IRC.   Users/CovertProfessor

20100308 08:37:05 nbsp Over the last few years, I think Ive almost got a pretty good guess or two of you who might be.  Youve certainly dropped far more hints than you ever intended to Im sure! I dont think I would ever have met or seen you as part of my education, so its based mostly on recollections of friends and colleagues in another discipline, but I think Id rather not know and keep it a mystery.   Users/EdWins ES
  Oh, I know Ive revealed quite a bit about myself.  Certainly anyone who knows me would guess who I am.   Users/CovertProfessor

20100308 14:42:27 nbsp http://daviswiki.org/Muir_Commons?actiondiff&version213&version112 Hahahahaha! Users/TomGarberson

20100308 16:17:05 nbsp The IRC channel... it is calling to you... CP, getting stuff done is overrated! Davis Wiki IRC
  Hahaha!  I hope so, given the way that today is going!   Users/CovertProfessor

20100309 21:18:08 nbsp Incidentally, if this is a pattern, I will trip across an article or video (maybe an audio interview this time?) that lends support to part of your point of view in the next day.  Im kind of surprised All Things Considered didnt have a segment on the protests (not that I heard at any rate, although I dont always actively listen when busy).  That would have been a third format. Users/JabberWokky
  Well, if I cant defend my own point of view, then Im not much of a professor, eh?  I understand that you find what you find, and in any case, you have as much right as the rest of us to take a side.  I didnt think you were being onesided.  cp
    I wasnt clear: the past couple days Ive happened across things for the other participants in the discussion (or had them sent to me), and relayed them to the people whose positions they best seemed to support.  I was just speculating that for the pattern to be complete, Id have to serendipitously find a reference that applies to your positions... and for Jessicas, for that matter.  Actually, for Jessicas positions, I could raid some boxes in the basement for some of my personal library.  Video to Tom, WSJ link to Han, and then a radio interview for you and a mimeographed typed newsletter for Jessica.  Everybody gets supporting facts! jw
     Well, if you find something that refocuses discussion on the importance of affordable public education in California, then youve found the right thing. :) cp
        Like splitting out the causes at the start?  :P  I have a feeling in a few weeks, there will be another opportunity for a more sedate and specific growth of information that can be better organized into a cohesive and multiperspective whole.  I actually have some thoughts and questions on the whole subject, but am waiting for things to die down.  I also have the common questions that I ask in all these undergrad oriented subjects: how is it affecting grads/postdocs/faculty/administration/facilities/etc?  How distinct are the med and law schools in this situation?  And so on, all around the elephant.  There is a reasonable first focus on the largest group of people, but if the situation for other segments of the university isnt recorded here while it is fresh in peoples minds, it will be buried in history, as news media isnt focusing on anything but the situation for undergrads either. I know of at least one person who spent some time talking to the guy who had to clean up the graffiti so that his perspective could be added to the wiki.  Desiderata: Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit.  When things are quieter, the calm will reappear, and hopefully their voices can be raised to a visible place amongst all those who have been shouting.  jw

20100310 00:07:49 nbsp It was on NPR, although probably just on the news and Wait Wait! Users/IDoNotExist
  All Things Considered, together with Morning Edition, are the NPR news programs.  Personally, I fell out of listening to ME when Bob Edwards left.  Dang them and their Edwards hating ways!Footnote(Technically speaking, Wait Wait isnt NPR, its Chicago Public Radio and distributed by Public Radio International, along with This American Life and several others.  Some NPR stations fill out their time with classical, folk or jazz, others fill out their time with PRI, or most often a mix of the two.  BBC direct  as opposed to BBC World, which is actually PRI in the US  and to a lesser extent Pacific Radio are also common.  WUNC and WXEL forever!).  Users/JabberWokky Evan JabberWokky Edwards
   I was referring to the NPR hourly news headlines in this case.  Wait Wait is actually produced by both Chicago Public Radio and NPR, and in the US is distributed by NPR.   Users/IDoNotExist
      So it is.  jw

20100310 10:22:11 nbsp Perhaps there is a difference between what people mean when they use the term disrupting.  Missing some classes to ponder the position of education in society is a wonderful thing, especially on a college campus when that form of open thought and dialog should be encouraged.  Blocking people from getting to the hospital or jeopardizing somebodys research is a different type of disruption.  Going up a level to other protests, I think most people would say that sparking an armed conflict with fatalities is too far.  This protest fell somewhere between a clearly good thing (more than peaceful public discussion) and a clearly bad thing (less than serious injury), and I think some of the disagreement is based on what people are envisioning when they hear disruption is good.  The March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom was a disruption, and so was the protest of the Bath School property taxes.  One had a quarter million people peaceably assembling and changing history.  The other was one guy killing or maiming nearly a hundred kids and educators.  Disruption as a simple word without clarification is probably a dangerous thing to toss around in a discussion of protests without clarification of the nature of disruption you are referring to, especially when there are people arguing that any amount of disruption for an extended period of time is needed while lauding groups that encouraged open display of firearms during protests and others that fire rockets into populated towns.  I am fairly confidant that you are not talking about that level of disruption, but possibly rather something more toward the voluntary peaceable assembly that disrupts by being a visible and vocal icon of an issue and drawing people into altering their normal routine to think and discuss that issue (with what does it take to be visible? being answered with a pretty wide spectrum of action).  Note that none of this really argues anything other than for a clarification of a word that appears to have radically different connotations to different people in the discussion.  (And as a personal postscript, any position that this appears to argue for is purely accidental; I used extreme or distantly related examples to attempt to avoid a particular bias toward any particular set of connotations.  My personal beliefs would probably be considered very fringe). Users/JabberWokky

  It seems to me that some event or action is a disruption if it prevents or delays some activity, service, access, or anything else that would normally be possible without that event or action.  In the case of the stuff here, it becomes disruptive if people who do not wish to participate in a protest can not accomplish whatever they need to do as a result.  For example, if someone wanted to go to class but could not reach it because of a protest, then the protest is being disruptive.   Users/IDoNotExist
  I agree that there are disruptions and Disruptions.  Its hard to imagine a protest that wasnt at least somewhat of a disruption, given that there is a crowd of people being very loud.  People may have trouble getting around the crowd, or be hampered in doing activities that require quiet.  But I agree that there should not be Disruption, putting peoples lives in jeopardy (closing I80 falls in this category) or preventing them from making principled choices such as continuing their lab research.  It is always possible, though, that a crowd could inadvertently cause Disruption... but thats true of a concert or a ball game, too.  (One reason why I dont like crowds).  cp
     I dislike crowds too. We should all get together and protest crowds sometime. Users/hankim
      Yeah!  cp

20100310 13:58:09 nbsp Did you see that Tanya Lawrence asked you a question on her page?  Its the last comment. Users/BruceHansen

20100310 23:39:59 nbsp I cant find an All About Hair corporation, fictitious name, or anything under the name of Tanya Lawrence.  Users/WilliamLewis

20100310 23:48:08 nbsp Sorry, brainfart. But I did get the name correct when I did the searches! Users/WilliamLewis

20100313 10:39:53 nbsp Dear Professor, not having been there, I havent fully gronked on the BW pain.  Please relax.  Id like to think that I made an improvement i.e. accuracy without any basic or controversial changes. May improvements float.  Thanks for restoring the Downtown link. Users/BruceHansen
  Bruce, if you really want to know (or grok, I think you mean) what happened, the whole protracted exchange can be accessed by starting http://daviswiki.org/Bizarro_World/Talk?actioninfo&offset6 here and working your way through all of the Talk page edits... all 661 of them.  Thats not counting all the edits to the page itself and all of the talking that went on on the user pages.  Its not that Im so attached to the current wording as it is that I dont want to see anything set that off again  for example, the new link to the comics page.  Feelings are still very raw on all sides.  The current wording is good enough and I think it is should stay more or less as it is for awhile.  Please consider this as a personal request.   cp

20100313 12:33:22 nbsp As a side note, Premier is a title, an official designation on Droms and should be capitalized.  Removing the bold and all caps was a good edit, IMO. Users/JabberWokky
  Yeah, Im fine with Premier, but not PREMIER.  cp

20100313 13:57:57 nbsp When someone isnt logged in and they see a page with a mailto macro, the email address is displayed as user AT domain DOT tld (as an antispam measure). When someone is logged in, the address is displayed as user@domain.tld and the address is a mailto link. The antispam measure thing is pointless these days, as just about any scraper in the world will replace AT with @ and DOT with .

But eh.... the macro could be rewritten to be more useful in the future. Users/WilliamLewis

20100314 11:43:59 nbsp Hello, and thank you for the link.  I will have to figure out how to properly use the site after finals are over :)  Happy Pi Day! Users/Myself

20100314 21:05:12 nbsp Hey, I cant find the Enterprise article.  Do they now say that a taser was actually fired?  They said early on that one was used in drive stun mode (like a cattle prod, different than firing one to incapacitate).  Normally it wouldnt matter, but theres been so much swirling uncertainty, it would be good to make the specifics clear. Users/JabberWokky

20100314 22:45:32 nbsp Okay, so far it seems fair to note at least three points: the stated reason for CHPs internal disconnect, the differences between uses of a taser and the delay in the correction until after the media coverage. (I assume William is reading this as well, and will chime in.  He seems to have clarified the second point already). Users/JabberWokky
  Agreed, assuming an Oxford comma.  cp
    That is an accurate assumption, although the AP style guide is a more accurate description.  I have been in the news publishing field for about 14 years, and even if youre not an actual writer the commas and title case eventually permeates your brain.  In casual writing (e.g. wiki chatter) my comma use is hideous anyway.  Add to that my overuse of semicolons and ellipses and its amazing Im not accused of being a bad William Carlos Williams fan who uses random punctuation rather than white space.   jw
     You should get that looked at.  Failure to do so may result in complications, requiring a semicolonoscopy, or even leave you commatose.  Users/IDoNotExist
     My grammar is far from perfect, but Oxford commas are second nature to me both as a reader and a writer.  I had to read your sentence twice to see that it contained three items.  Re: semicolon use, you should read the most recent John Irving novel.  :)  cp
       I had thought there might be an interesting story as to why journalists and authors diverged in grammatical standards.  Sometimes those kinds of things turn out to be a bar bet or an angry and defiant newspaper owner.  http://motivatedgrammar.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/theserialharvardoroxfordcomma/ This article points out that both forms were in use back to the 1600s, and I know that prior to that the hand scribed texts employed a much wider variety of punctuation, shorthand words and phrases, abbreviations by symbols, &c.  I also ran across http://www.siue.edu/IS/WRITING/NewsletterC/Issue%208/page3.html this article, which I only note because of the dedication at the end of the text. jw
        Yeah, I was actually taught that either was correct  Ive just always thought that lists were clearer with the comma.  But the first article shows that sometimes the Oxford comma can be ambiguous, too (at which point Id be rewording the sentence).  The dedication in the second article is priceless  thanks.  :)  cp  P.S.  Now that weve had all of this grammar fun, who wants the honors of editing the protest page?

20100317 15:52:45 nbsp Haha oops... thanks for catching that misplaced period. Users/TomGarberson

20100318 14:38:33 nbsp You are probably right  I read your comment in the waiting room after I filled out the forms.  Sarah has seen both dentists at the practice I went to and thinks the negative reviews are for the other dentist.  As it was, the recommendations were so basic and so few problems found, it didnt much matter.  Thanks for referencing your note, however. Users/JabberWokky

20100319 09:08:12 nbsp Thank you Professor! Users/BruceHansen

20100319 21:19:16 nbsp They ignored it and edited.  I actually blanked the page in an effort to get through to them.  Im mulling options, but the notice wasnt doing any good. Users/JabberWokky

20100319 21:20:09 nbsp (If you have an idea, kick it to the /Talk page, as its a periodic problem, and a good solution would be nice!) Users/JabberWokky

20100319 21:35:15 nbsp It seems like a fairly extreme solution.  Plus, when I blanked the Real Computers entry after an edit war with no good resolution, I wound up thinking that it was a bad idea  although that was in conjunction with a lock, which is a fairly different situation.  Id be okay with trying a replace abused entry with a notice to communicate to move things toward breaking a problem edit cycle.  Personally I think getting working communication started is worth blanking a single entry for awhile (with Front Page a couple Explore exceptions). Users/JabberWokky

20100319 23:04:36 nbsp

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20100320 14:14:21 nbsp Really great work on all the senior stuff, CP!  Thanks for doing all of that Users/TomGarberson

20100323 10:40:29 nbsp I do not think that I took up either side on the womans story, I just merely pointed out that too many people these days attempt to use a difficult life as an excuse for bad behavior. Users/hankim

20100323 10:49:18 nbsp Interesting how you got frustrated over the condemnation while I got annoyed enough to respond about people being the opposite (I guess excusatory?). P Users/hankim

20100323 10:51:27 nbsp It is difficult to think positive things about people taking advantage of the compassion of others. Users/hankim

20100323 10:55:27 nbsp I know, I was just excusing peoples negative views of the woman or girl P Users/hankim

20100323 18:51:11 nbsp I personally like it the way it is. I think it will be fine as long as people do not throw too much oil onto the slope. Users/hankim

20100324 02:50:09 nbsp As fun as it is to bash politics, when it turns into serious mudslinging, I always remember Heinleins bit of dialog from Podkayne of Mars, where her uncle agrees with her that it is stupid that she is locked into shopping only at the high priced port shops, but objects to her dismissing politics itself as stupid.  He tells her: Think about it. Politics is just the name for how we get things done... without fighting. We dicker and compromise and everyone thinks he has received a raw deal, but somehow after a tedious amount of talk we come up with some juryrigged way to do it without getting anybodys head bashed in. Thats Politics. The only other way to settle a dispute is by bashing a few heads in... and thats what happens when one side or both sides is no longer willing to dicker. Thats why politics is good even when its bad... because the only other alternative is force  and somebody gets hurt.

Politics may well be a con game, but its a con game that often distracts people from wanting to arm their younger men and go fix that problem over there, either inside or outside their tribe.  Perhaps human beings have evolved the best con of all  people (nearly) always talking each other out of throwing a punch.

Or maybe its just early in the morning and the coffee hasnt yet killed my groggy philosophy side. Users/JabberWokky

20100324 13:07:25 nbsp I know that we do not see eye to eye, but I believed that your comment on Jabberwokkys page contained inaccurate comments that generalized Republicans and kept out anything about Democrats doing exactly the same thing so a little balancing was required.  Users/hankim
 20100324 13:27:38 nbsp I disagree, but again, do not want to get into a lengthy discussion about it. Users/CovertProfessor
     I just dislike it when people say negative things about someone or something without letting the other side explain themselves. Users/hankim
      I dont see that anyone tried to stop you.  I also want to point out that I was responding on jws page to the comment that he made just above; I was merely explaining the previous edit to which jw refers.  I wasnt trying to give a defense of my position concerning Republicans (and certainly I wasnt saying anything about Democrats).  And yet apparently, my expression of my opinion, on an another editors page (not on a more public page) was so offensive to you that you felt you had to respond to it.  (Something is wrong on the internet!!  I must answer it!!)  Dont you think that I have a response to make to yours?  The problem is that I have too much to say, not too little.  And based on past experience, I am sure that you would have plenty to say in response, and so on.  Well, this is a pretty bad forum for debating politics and economics, and I dont have the time for it even if it were.  So, one of us has to exercise some selfcontrol and nip the discussion in the bud, and in this case, it was me.   cp
         The problem is that I know you have a response to make to mine considering your strong political views and I am highly curious about it. Users/hankim
          Some other time, perhaps.  Despite this being spring break, I unfortunately have some work that needs to get done.  cp
            Yep. No rest during furlough days? Users/hankim
             Ha!  Conferences, publications, class prep  they dont take furloughs. cp

20100324 20:02:52 nbsp Quite correct... I am assuming there is a different form, which makes me wonder about the dorms.  Thanks for clarifying the statement (its actually a nice feature of doing unsigned conversations, that people can fix both sides to eliminate confusion and make a more readable end product). Users/JabberWokky

20100325 13:05:06 nbsp Hola!  Whats the procedure for getting the Feature Page changed?  I really want to shine the spotlight on the Google Fiber stuff since tomorrow is the deadline... Users/KemblePope

20100325 13:46:03 nbsp little help? cant figure out why the old image is still coming up... my new google fiber logo image appears in the file directory... odd.   Users/KemblePope

20100325 13:58:58 nbsp ok, thanks.  more help? now im still seeing the old language on the front page, and my new language on the featured page... Users/KemblePope

20100325 14:23:46 nbsp thanks for your help.  gotta say, that was exhilarating in an all eyes on you kind of way. Users/KemblePope

20100325 15:11:40 nbsp Better now, all around?  I want to keep the featured page there.  Can explain more  do you have an email address? Users/PhilipNeustrom

20100326 17:59:20 nbsp Doodie! Users/JabberWokky

20100402 00:06:46 nbsp Thanks.  I just rolled with the stuff everybody else was doing.  I think it was IDNE who made the logo (although I added the text at the bottom because people often miss the point and just assume the wiki is supposed to have a red logo and dark background). Users/JabberWokky

20100402 00:10:03 nbsp I did the original back page too.  It was supposed to be what you saw as you left Davis, but people interpreted last as the final page on the Wiki, so it kind of changed direction from there.  :) Users/IDoNotExist
  Which pretty much fits, as what you toss out to the community often ends up in a very different form.  I had an idea for this year, but I ran into a technical problem.  Somebody fixed a (minor) security hole in the last couple years and blocked my idea. Ah, well.  jw
   I just had fun mucking with the Wiki/April Fools Day, 2010 front page, and was glad that you started the fun off.  cp

20100405 15:45:25 nbsp I was just thinking that.  Change it into a short quick and dirty guide to the things people want to do quickly with a link to getting more involved in editing.  Quick and dirty would cover (preferably with screenshots): editing an entry, adding a photo and creating a new entry.  Possibly show linking, although Im iffy for the simple reason that you need to really get to know the structure of the wiki to know where to link thingsFootnote(Which is why I kind of dislike long titles like Beauty Salons & Fingertanning Citadels or whatever it is.  If I have to look up the name each time I want to link it, its probably not a good name.  Athough I have no ideas of how to improve the situation given the dislike of redirects.).  Everything else goes into getting more involved in editing.  There should probably also be a cross link to the Welcome to the Wiki, which are more social overview than a practical editing how to guide. Users/JabberWokky
  The quick & dirty guide (see how I snuck that in?) sounds like a good idea.  As for redirects, Im with you.  Maybe its time to revisit the issue.  cp

20100405 19:03:46 nbsp So how is life as a prof, now that youve been around for 3 years or so? Users/IDoNotExist
  Its a good gig if you can get it.  It gives you the freedom to be perpetually busy at the times of your choosing.  cp

20100407 21:21:00 nbsp I didnt see that you moved the outside link for the Stone Villa Hotel Davis to the Reservations slot.  However, the additional link may help provide info for editing. Users/BruceHansen

20100413 15:46:37 nbsp Both the iPad and the Kindle are good ebook readers.  If you plan to only read ebooks with your device, you may prefer the Kindle because of its longer battery life and lighter weight.  If you want to use the device for more than that, the iPad is way better.  You can read kindle books on the iPad, along with epub standard books and other formats.

You may also want to spend a few hours staring at each one whilst reading.  The Kindles screen is probably better for reading books, but wont work without external illumination.  The iPads display is more like reading on a very nice monitor.

They have a bunch of iPads that you can play with at the UCD Bookstore computer shop. Users/IDoNotExist
  Yeah, I am still torn, though youre right, I do need to spend time with each device.  I wish the Kindle was on sale in a brickandmortar store so I could spend some time with it.   I like the idea that the iPad can be more than an ereader, but as JW and others have pointed out, some of that functionality (e.g, Pages, Numbers, etc.) isnt really all that usable, and there is the extra weight to consider.  Then I think the Nook supports more file formats than the Kindle  I am not sure how iPad and the Nook compare in that regard.  I dont want to spend a lot of money on formats that turn out to be unsupported in the long run (when ereaders get weeded out).  Or, similarly, I dont want to buy ereader X which relies on format Y only to have it turn out that the largest number of ebooks are available in an unsupported format Z.  Adding to my confusion/frustration is that a lot of books simply arent available as ebooks now, anywhere (unless you go the illegal route).  Oh, and I want whatever format it is to be viewable on my Mac, too, with the ability to annotate.  I just dont think any of these ereaders are there yet, though I will be happily corrected if I am wrong.  cp
    Oh my.  Run.  Save yourself.  Do not buy a Nook.  I played with one for about 40 minutes.  It was by far the worst ereader of the three.  Its uncomfortable to hold, balanced in the wrong place, has poor button layout, is slow and unresponsive, and generally doesnt work very well.  Other than that, its great!  :)   I think you will be far happier with a Kindle or iPad than a Nook.  Or a Sony.  Users/IDoNotExist
     Ok, no Nook  check.  But Sonys dont play well with Macs, is that right?  cp
        Sonys site claims that they do work with Macs.  But the Sony readers dont seem nearly as nice as the Kindle.  They use eink, like the Kindle.  But they cant download content wirelessly.  They dont have the Kindles nice keyboard.  I really doubt that they have anything like Amazons selection of books.  (Or Apples!)  Although they do have the Wall Street Journal!  So you can get a newspaper every day.  At least one, that is.  Honestly, the Kindle is way better than the Sony.   Oh, did I mention Sonys bad habit of removing advertised features from existing products (Playstation 3), or installing malware on the machines of people who buy their stuff?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_CD_copy_protection_scandal  Buy at your own risk. Users/IDoNotExist
         Heh... iPad or Kindle... Im getting the picture.  cp

20100413 20:48:12 nbsp It might be cool to keep it as the Back Page, and then just point to it from the April Fools page... Users/IDoNotExist
  Im flexible.  I just wanted to keep it in some form.  cp

20100413 22:31:08 nbsp You have not tried Beach hut Deli?  That place is awesome.  If you want something particularly tasty get the Drakester.  It is turkey with cream cheese and ortega chilies.  It is like a jalapeno popper sandwich.  If you want the best deal, get the surfin bird combo, it is a huge turkey sandwich (with avacado and bacon), bag of chips, and a beer (or soda). The sandwiches are so so good, do yourself a favor and try their sandwiches.  Users/DagonJones
  Actually, I did try them once, and I wasnt that happy with my sandwich, although I no longer remember which one it was.  I usually dont review places if Ive only been there once, because any restaurant can have a bad day, or you can just order the wrong thing.  The Drakester does sound good... maybe Ill make it back there one of these days and try it.  cp

20100414 18:41:54 nbsp Thanks for reaching out to me, CP.  I think that if anybody really takes the time to analyze what is described on my user page, they will see what Ive been going on about.  I guess maybe delete means a lot more to me than a typical person, especially in terms of how Im trying to assert my beliefs into a community setting.  And yes, I do generally disagree with an acutely specific sense of purpose as you have sensed.  I just think that maybe not everybody knows the rules, and actually, if Daniel was the one who created the original nonrealname account that created the page, he may not have been fully aware of the rules.  Also, he may have actually been trying to OBEY the rules later on by creating a specific page that references him.  I just think its a shame to delete hours worth of work on a technicality, and also because it is representative of a human being and how someone wanted to express his beliefs..   Users/ScottMeehleib

20100414 20:32:41 nbsp I really appreciate your defense of my right to an opinion.  It really gives me a strong peace of mind to hear somebody who at least understands where I come from, even thought you disagree with me.  Thanks again; it really turned my day around.  :) Users/ScottMeehleib

20100416 17:06:56 nbsp I just hit Recent Changes and there was one note.  Under Arboretum, it showed you moving watertower, and I had an image of you out there with a shovel and a determined look. Users/JabberWokky
  Hey, no one said editing a wiki was easy!  cp
  Watertower moving is one of the duties of a professor who does not yet have tenure.  Of course, that duty is typically assigned to their postdocs, who hand it off to the grad students, who might be fortunate enough to pawn it off to some undergrads who will move the watertower in exchange for a nights supply of pizza.   Users/IDoNotExist
   I definitely need to work on my chain of command!  cp
    I have no clue about the conversation or edits that gave rise to this thread, but Im giggling like a school girl reading it. Users/TomGarberson

20100422 16:41:14 nbsp Thank you. Users/hankim

20100422 16:44:15 nbsp Actually I did attempt to contact the original editor but never got a reply so I figured getting the ball rolling would be more effective. Users/hankim

20100422 16:46:02 nbsp The stuff that I deleted was added in by someone else though. Users/hankim

20100422 16:52:21 nbsp The majority of what I had a problem with on the page was made by another user, whom I contacted. Anyway, I think the page looks a lot cleaner now. Users/hankim

20100422 17:19:19 nbsp Did I do something wrong? I deleted what I felt did not need to be on there (after attempting to contact an editor who made a large number of changes on the page) and then other editors came in and we discussed what to do then did some more editing. That is the whole point of a Wiki if I am not mistaken? Users/hankim

20100422 17:43:54 nbsp Maybe you would prefer such a discussion before, but the other times I have made large edits to a page (for example CalPIRG) I have attempted to discuss it and the general consensus from the discussions was that I should edit what I think needs editing and if other editors disagree with my edits, then we will talk it out. Yes, I might have deleted some of your additions, but it only took a few clicks to undo that and we discussed the edits and there was no edit war. No huge disaster arose from this like you seem to believe. Users/hankim

20100422 17:52:28 nbsp Theres editing, and then there is deleting a huge portion of text in order to completely change the meaning of a page.  In my view, thats not how members of a community should behave.  But I am repeating myself now.  You seem determined to defend your actions and deny your motivations, so I see no point in discussing it further.  As usual, we reach an impasse. Users/CovertProfessor
  The page was about budget cuts and the page did remain about budget cuts. Of course I am determined to defend my actions, because I did them for a reason (which is that I felt that the page needed editing). There would be no point in discussing it any further if I did not feel such a need, but I shall agree to an armistice. Users/hankim
   Youre being disingenuous.  Of course you intended to change the meaning of the page, not just clean it up.  If you are trying to piss my off even further, you are succeeding admirably.  I dont object to you wanting your point of view included (that seems to be the difference between you and me) but as I said before, if you wanted your point of view represented there was a far better way to do it.  cp

20100424 10:36:46 nbsp Morning CP.  Im supposed to be writing my training grant applications, and before starting Ive already hit my head against the wall.  I have no skills or experience in writing, much less academic/scientific papers.  Any advice to make the whole ordeal easier?  My PI wants a draft by the months end, and I know well be editing it back and forth, but I dont want my first draft to make me look ridiculous in his eyes. Users/EdWins
  Who is the granting agency?  Thats step 1  consider your audience.  Youll want to make your research understandable to that audience, which means using fewer technical terms or explaining the technical terms that you do use.  They also usually want to hear about the broader implications of your research  sometimes you have to stretch a little with that one.  :)  Other than that, explain the research that you plan to undertake and how you plan to go about it, what you expect to find, again, being as clear as possible.  Without knowing more about your specific situation, thats about all of the general advice that I have.  Feel free to ask more specific questions if you have them.  And yeah, grant writing sucks, but youll definitely need  practice in writing about your research!  cp

20100426 09:30:42 nbsp By virtue of correlation equaling causation, I blame you for the server having problems.  Every time you complain, theres an issue. Users/JabberWokky

20100502 01:44:20 nbsp Thank you! Users/IDoNotExist

20100502 14:11:27 nbsp Ah, thanks CP, I had missed it.  These are NIH and NIGMS (general medical sciences) funded, but theyre allocated and managed within similar oncampus departments, each with a small committee deciding. Ive got to be extremely specific scientifically, and extremely concise.  Thats something I suck at!  Apparently competition is a bit high (either from 5:1 to 15:1 applicants per slot available depending on which grant), and they might hold interviews in which they question experimental approaches.  Part of my frustration is my PI wants me to apply to one that, in my opinion, were not eligible for.  He thinks its a matter of tweaking our main application into an alternate, but I think it really means rewriting and doing entirely different experiments.  Doh!  Me dont need no stinkin practish with the writings... my goal was always to piggyback off colleagues!  heheheh.  Actually, Im trying to break it down as much as possible.  Make an outline. Make an extended outline. Add experimental details. Make notes on the why this is neat type stuff.  Reformulate as needed...flesh it out piece by piece.  Its painful, but Ive still got over a month, so Im optimistic I can do it.  Hopefully overtime Ill learn to cut out a few of the baby steps.  Besides, I neeeeeeeeeed a training grant, not for my resume or personal sense of accomplishment...or to save my PI money.... but because I want them to buy me a computer upgrade >: Users/EdWins

20100504 20:26:37 nbsp I am in Boston, and just got back from a really good bar that pairs food to beer, rather than the other way around (did you know you can use eggplant and sage leaves as a breading for fried mozzarella triangles?  Its like a crispy/soft explosion with warm lingering echos of eggplant and herbs).  Right now Im pretty sure Im pronouncing it EXACTLY right.  Ill probably think otherwise in a bit, but there it will sit, a happy link that will confuse many and amuse some.  I seldom imbibe, but weve found four incredible pubs in the three days weve been here.  An eight hour drive tomorrow, but hey... I finally got the wifi working on my laptop. Users/JabberWokky

20100506 11:28:23 nbsp Theres some technically easy solutions, but honestly Im a little reluctant to participate in the discussion right now... Users/IDoNotExist

20100510 10:37:11 nbsp A variant, yes.  With specific limits to keep the ideal of an open wiki.  The idea is to make the system tools like Recent Changes and the Info tab have information, but the actual content itself be subject to equal participation by all.  Not even separate but equal participation for people who only add a couple things to the wiki (and whose additions would be forever automatically flagged if it appears on the content side of things).  Somebody proposed something very similar in one of the discussions already under leave it alone, but maybe new antispam tools, which is another way of presenting a similar end result. Users/JabberWokky

20100510 15:16:31 nbsp Ah, there is also Flag new edits by altering the color of the signature. Users/JabberWokky

20100510 16:14:56 nbsp Number six with a clarified boundary.  I know there was a proposal under the new set of entries that flagged on the content.  You are correct: I may have accidentally altered six rather than made it more specific.  Ive been on the phone all day and am under an hour or two worth of work that I need to push through.  I lack the time right this moment to read through everything again and figure out the best fix without losing options.  I seem to have bungled the options a bit, and am leery of fixing it quickly and making it worse.  Ill look it over in a couple hours, and feel free to change them.  Quick thought, however:  using autonumbering on a poll is dangerous, as somebody inserting something renumbers everything. Users/JabberWokky

20100510 16:17:34 nbsp In short: no time right now, feel free to fix, when I have time, Ill reply and act more intelligently.  Suffering right now from the constraints of a much interrupted work day, which probably contributed to the problem to begin with! Users/JabberWokky

20100512 07:58:55 nbsp Thanks CP!  Its a lot of fun.  Cool people, interesting work, and a wide variety of cases.  And it certainly never hurts to have a little income, rather than living on the wifes student loans... Users/TomGarberson

20100512 15:07:54 nbsp It was just intended to be a fun joke, I my intent was not to make anyone upset.  I always thought the unabomber sketch was funny because it looks like it could be anyone with sunglasses and a hoodie.  If the page upsets you I am happy to delete it. Users/DagonJones

20100512 15:12:18 nbsp good point.  how about J.R. Bob Dobbs? Users/DagonJones

20100512 15:13:06 nbsp I chucked the Bob Dobbs image up to try to balance it.  The title actually disturbs me more than the implication of the photo (then again, the Unibomber photo has become fodder for tshirts, somewhat diminishing the impact).  I was assuming there was more context coming at some point... and I doubt any harm was intended, given it was Dagon. Users/JabberWokky

20100512 15:17:22 nbsp I am sure everyone here has wondered who you are, I thought it would be fun to start a discussion about it.
 Users/DagonJones

20100512 15:18:16 nbsp Although the first thing I thought of was http://www.youtube.com/watch?v0pKNmjMeZ6Q Who is the Doctor by Pertwee.  We blasted that while cruising along the beach when I was younger.  Got some really amusing looks.  That and the Brandenburg Concertos. Users/JabberWokky

20100512 15:21:19 nbsp Yup.  The potential for creating a guessing game was what I disliked about the title.  You have anonymity for clearly stated practical reasons, not as a challenge. Users/JabberWokky

20100512 15:23:31 nbsp I understand completely, I was ready to delete it if need be.  I understand and respect your desire for anonymity.  Users/DagonJones

20100512 15:24:36 nbsp Yes, but its red and right near where you can get some pretty good tea... and an amazingly long journey to use a bathroom. Users/JabberWokky

20100512 15:27:38 nbsp I was actually concerned about your reaction when I created the page.  Thats why I put the not to piss anyone off disclaimer.  The idea is better left for dinner conversations than a discussion on the wiki. Users/DagonJones

20100512 15:31:37 nbsp Cultive is now, and has been for a while, selfserve. They also seem to have improved their topping choices (if youre into toppings) so I suggest giving them a second try. Users/TusharRawat TR

20100512 15:32:06 nbsp Sorry about all that. Users/DagonJones

20100512 16:02:31 nbsp Perhaps CovertProfessor   Sparticus:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?vmOCsNrzlV2k ?

(Im CovertProfessor!) Users/IDoNotExist

20100512 20:40:29 nbsp The Doctor?  Are you a Time Lord? Users/IDoNotExist

20100512 23:46:30 nbsp Doctor Professor! Users/IDoNotExist

20100513 09:48:53 nbsp I dont think they can see it.  Skype (or some plugin) is helpfully inserting that. Users/JabberWokky

20100513 10:07:24 nbsp Google has a similar plugin for Chrome and their Google Voice service.  The first version had a couple similar quirks, but they quickly updated it.  They try to link phone numbers so you can click them to dial on your computer.  Of course, Im still waiting for Sarah and my Google Voice applications to be approved, so I turned it off after awhile, but thats a different issue. Users/JabberWokky

20100513 10:12:30 nbsp I think you should put that Dobbs picture on your user page, good for a laugh. Users/DagonJones

20100513 10:59:39 nbsp Wow.  You look so familiar!  Your face is much rounder than I had imagined... Users/IDoNotExist

20100513 13:26:03 nbsp great picture! Users/DagonJones

20100513 16:01:00 nbsp So you dont rock the tam? Users/WilliamLewis

20100513 20:37:46 nbsp (Re: “Dr.” versus “Prof.”) I took a class with Dr. Michael Whiting last year, who, about two weeks into the quarter, gently informed us that we should address him as “Dr. Whiting” or “Mike” instead of “Prof. Whiting” (which a few people have, apparently) because he was just a lecturer as opposed to an adjunct/associate/tenured professor. It wasn’t that he objected to the misnomer, but that he did not want his tenured colleagues to think that he was the one requesting to be addressed as such and the Xworkplace dramaX misunderstandings that could potentially follow.

That said, I’ve always liked how the University of Virginia handles the matter: Professors are traditionally addressed as “Mr.” or “Ms.” instead of “Doctor” (although medical doctors are the exception and are called “Doctor”) in deference to Thomas Jefferson’s desire to have an equality of ideas, discriminated by merit and unburdened by title. (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Virginia#Student_life the other wiki) Users/EBT
  While I appreciate Dr. Whitings fastidiousness, as far as I am concerned, anyone who has sole responsibility for a college class is the professor of that class, whether they are an Assistant Professor, an Associate Professor, a Professor (all tenure track or tenured positions), a Lecturer/Adjunct or even a grad student.  You arent giving someones title when you call them Professor SoandSo,  (after all, we dont say Assistant Professor SoandSo), but rather giving their position or their role (acting professor, so to speak). On the other hand, someone acting as a professor in a class might not yet have their doctorate, and so Dr. SoandSo might not be appropriate.  That being said, there are two issues here: One is not to insult your professor.  I dont think you can insult somebody by calling them Professor or Dr., but the other possible names (yes, including Mr./Ms./Mrs.) are potentially insulting.  The second issue, of course, is to call your professor what they want to be called once they have expressed a preference.  cp

20100514 00:04:55 nbsp Your adjective and adjective noun is off putting. What sort of animal bodily function doesnt even let it be known who they are when they sit in a container of others. Its a long way to verb from the top of that object youve put yourself preposition. Users/CrystalWalker
  Everyone now has the opportunity to help this comment become more friendly.  Pick: 2x adjective, 1x noun, 1x animal, 1x bodily function, 1x container, 1x very, 1x object, 1x preposition to fill in the blanks, and post what you come up with! Users/TomGarberson
   Ooh, can I play too?  intelligent, stylish, chair, aardvark, yawn, bread box, shimmy, cell phone, around cp
   Your colossal and magical TARDIS is off putting. What sort of raccoon sternutation doesnt even let it be known who they are when they sit in a barrel of others. Its a long way to broadcast from the top of that submarine youve put yourself beyond.

20100514 08:55:55 nbsp Taking proverbial arrows in the back, eh? Users/JabberWokky

20100514 14:20:27 nbsp My preference is for reasoned consideration of each individual case.  Pretty much in all things.  In the case of anonymity, it is weighing the issue of the harm that anonymity causes (a fractured community and lack of empathy and personal connection to each other and the project) against the practical considerations of the individual.  You have a real reason to be anonymous, clearly explained and have an honest and open effort to be a part of the community and forge interpersonal relationships within a thoughtful boundary.  You counter the negatives through your actions.  Again, its not anonymity that is really the issue... its accountability and community.  Anonymity simply is a common trait of editor accounts that cause many of the problems on the wiki.  Many are created with a singular purpose in mind (e.g.: Trash that apartment that screwed me! Slam that waiter that I didnt like! Promote my business!).  Others are created with the idea of acting like an ass to garner respect (as occurs in some online communities where a snarky wit is celebrated over communication).  Its a tough issue, but confusing the indicator (anonymity) with the actual problems (lack of accountability, empathy, and community) is not something I intend to do.  Im perfectly happy with anonymity without the other issues.  The problem is that when youre talking to somebody who has been on the wiki for a day or two, its typical to simplify things.  Thus you tell somebody, you shouldnt remove comments, thats not how we do things here, but experienced wiki editors know that there are times in which removing comments is okay.  It the same way it is a convenient simplification to say anonymity is bad.  What I actually try to do is discourage a lack of accountability and encourage a feeling of commitment as a member of the community, thus forging social empathy to each other.  When an editor with revert rights just doesnt give a damn about anybody else... well... we know what happens then.  It is very difficult (and somewhat unfair) to dump all of that on a new editor who has just created the account IHatePlutos and expect them to understand the ramifications of their actions.  Its even more tough to get into the subtle issues that a name like InvisibleNinja causes in a cooperative editing setting when youre trying to actually discuss issues as peers.  I think the move toward referring to the issue as one of identity is an effort to find a better way to present the complex situation in an easy to digest manner.

In short, you are accountable, engage in a social give and take with other people, are not editing for a single cause and youre not using a business name for many different people to edit behind (i.e., you are personally accountable).    I have zero issues with you using CovertProfessor and keeping the name you use on the streets hidden, much like AlphaDog or EdWins.  The issue of anonymity is simply that it makes it more difficult to do those things, something that I would guess you would agree with in certain cases where anonymity has made things awkward or limited certain options.  You are oft cited as a sterling example of how being anonymous does not have to be a negative, something that I agree wholeheartedly with.  In my humble opinion (and you shouldnt need it), I say keep editing  you are a valuable, respected and well liked contributor here. Users/JabberWokky

20100514 14:37:54 nbsp By the way, I hope that the above starts to explain my take on things.  It is a complex issue, and like most complex issues, it lends itself to onesided simplistic positions.  I think the discussion can and should be at a higher level than that when it is between people who have experienced the multiple dynamics in play.  That was the point I was trying to make on the one entry when I wound up having to protest that I was not advocating a strict RealNames policy. Users/JabberWokky

20100514 17:24:29 nbsp I always try to answer obnoxiousness with kindness at least a couple times.  I will ignore the most obvious and likely scenario and reach out as if I missed the negative aspects of what they did.  If they are well meaning but stumbled with their first edits, it helps them out by establishing communication.  If they are nasty and/or confrontational, it gives them a way out, and by not calling them out on what they really did, it allows them to save face.  I really dont care about appearing insightful: Id much rather look kind of dumb or slow and guide things to a situation where somebody can become a positive contributor to the wiki.  It also helps if they feel somebody can at least understand some aspect of their position (which is the part that I think caused you to be concerned).  None of it is intended to be shady, but rather just an effort at tactful outreach and inclusion for people who had a rather rough start.  Assume the best, even if it makes you look naive seems to be effective.  In my mind its somewhat similar to save the patient first.  Being quick to forgive is also probably important, as were all going to make really dumb mistakes and say stupid things eventually.  Some people just start out that way. Users/JabberWokky

20100514 20:42:43 nbsp Interesting... Its alright for YOU to edit the comments of others.... Yet you are so quick to judge...
No chance you could have been ASSuming the worst???
Human beings are very much like icebergs—we only see a small portion of them, and nothing of the hidden currents which drag them this way and that. I fancy that we would not sit and judge our neighbor so frequently as we do, did we but ponder well over the small amount of data we possess. We perceive only the external act, but nothing of the motive activating it. — Fr. David McAstocker  Users/CrystalWalker

20100514 21:04:54 nbsp A comment on your own page... Are you really that self important??

20100514 00:06:07 Your judgmental and self righteous attitude is off putting. What sort of chicken s doesnt even let it be known who they are when they sit in judgement of others? Its a long way to fall from the top of that pedestal youve put yourself on. —CrystalWalker

TO...

20100514 00:04:55 Your adjective and adjective noun is off putting. What sort of animal bodily function doesnt even let it be known who they are when they sit in a container of others. Its a long way to verb from the top of that object youve put yourself preposition. —CrystalWalker —CrystalWalker
 Users/CrystalWalker

  I did not make that change, http://daviswiki.org/Users/CovertProfessor?actiondiff&version2864&version1863 as you can see here. What were you saying about assumptions?? Users/CovertProfessor

20100514 21:59:05 nbsp Wow...its like they line up to do this one at a time... Users/IDoNotExist

20100514 22:48:48 nbsp Gawd, CP, youre such a jerkface.  I hate how you anonymously add the word aardvark to all of my edits. Users/TomGarberson

20100514 23:06:08 nbsp BTW, youre such a crappy http://daviswiki.org/Users/JabberWokky?actiondiff&version21573&version11572 bad cop!  You do a lot of things well around here, but being mean isnt one of them :) Users/TomGarberson

20100515 11:44:58 nbsp Alright, time to get serious.  Since my writing is the sux, clearly I need an alternate approach.  How much money am I going to need to drop to the committee that oversees th training grant I need.  Its three years of funding (to the PI), 1k travel expenses per year (woo!) and most importantly up to 1k of personal labrelated allowances / year. Ed needs a new computer!  This will be at least $10 and a coffee per professor, right?     Users/EdWins

20100515 11:53:49 nbsp Oh, I did see it. I have a bad habit of forgetting to reply to comments that I don’t find much disagreement with, if at all (sorry). My original comment was intended to share my personal experience with the matter as a (somewhat presumptuous, in retrospect) response to your This just makes no sense remark in the revision logs. Users/EBT

20100517 09:51:36 nbsp I suggest you try the Chinese food at Jade Garden.  It is very good with nice priced lunch specials, it is on of my favorite Chinese restaurants (try the general chicken).  Noodle city is also top notch, but I noticed you had not reviewed Jade Garden.  If you like Dim Sum the steamed dumplings at Jade Garden are very good. Users/DagonJones

20100518 10:33:38 nbsp Jade garden is more oily than noodle city, if you dont like oily dont try the general chicken, it is deep fried bits of chicken in a spicy sweet sauce (yum).  If you want less greasy get the steamed dumplings, or the wonton soup.  Chicken with hot garlic sauce or shrimp with lobster sauce is not too greasy either. Users/DagonJones

20100518 15:54:39 nbsp Looks fine now; I get triggerhappy copypasting with links sometimes. Cheers. Users/EBT

20100524 06:13:36 nbsp Prediction: Albiet will eventually appear in dictionaries.  Im not sure why, but it appears in formal writing and some serious works (mostly historical and political) as an alternate spelling for albeit.  It may just be a typo or misspelling, but it appears to be accepted by copy editors (even within the print edition of the NYT).  Its not a solid prediction, as I may just be noticing the few examples of it slipping though to print.  Consider it morning coffee and stroll through the park speculation. Users/JabberWokky
 Oh, thats just disturbing  I havent come across that yet.  Why dont they just go ahead and spell it albite?  I guess next after that will be with baited breath.  cp

20100524 14:07:41 nbsp I understand your point and agree with you on a personal level.  But I also think that most people are so trapped within the us vs. them paradigm that they may accept nearly any kind of abuse so long as they are led to believe it will somehow benefit us as a species.  For example, the famous Stanley Milgram authority experiment was replicated with everyday people being asked to administer fatal electrical shocks to puppies just for the sake of a false study which the participants apparently thought was of some benefit to society.  Researchers  repeated the experiment with a real victim: a puppy who was given real electric shocks. They found that 20 out of the 26 participants complied to the end. The six that had refused to comply were all male (54% of males were obedient); all 13 of the women obeyed to the end, although many were highly disturbed and some openly wept. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment#cite_note27 source    Perhaps I am just too pessimistic though; that puppy study was from 1972 so perhaps times have changed.  Users/ScottMeehleib

20100524 14:25:19 nbsp You could very well be right about all that. Users/ScottMeehleib

20100524 14:54:20 nbsp re: stress study, Im certain some of them are specifically focused on the primates, not on any human benefit.  After all, if theres indeed lots of physiological stress reactions, that may skew data/results.  Doing a study for the focus of refining methodology isnt unheard of, especially on ethical issues.  Users/EdWins

20100524 15:24:48 nbsp re: I guess my point was that they are not doing studies on stress in nonhuman primates because they are worried about stress in nonhuman primates and want to do something to alleviate it.   Actually, my point was that they very well are (some of them).  Its important to try to be as fair and balanced and have complete information available.  If nonhuman primates are being used as research subjects, then understanding what we can about them in the context of being research subjects is important.  Some of these studies wont relate to humans at all, but they certainly might serve to inform and influence laws, regulations, oversight committees, etc.  Its a sad bit ironic when some of them cause pain to prevent pain, and thats one hell of a ethical dilemma to ponder for the philosophers.  (Use some monkeys to potentially save other monkeys? Or change the way stuff is done?).  Some of these studies certainly fuel those who are opposed to primate research, and by all rights it should: thats what the datas for. Trying to increase understanding, period. Perhaps some physiological responses to things people take for granted might very well have downstream effects.  ie, just because theres a set of protocols on the right way to do X Y or Z procedures doesnt mean its the best way, and maybe it skews both research results and is justification for either side of the various ethical debates.   Im not being very clear, but I hope that you see the point Im trying to get across: understanding them for the sake of understanding them can indeed be important.  But thats a far cry away from some peoples view of torture for the sake of torture.  I suppose at best or at worst, its torture for the sake of stopping torture? Rather depressing for some indeed.  Users/EdWins

20100524 16:33:14 nbsp Honestly, I dont know.  My understanding of much of this stuff is very basic, and I clearly havent gone into background information.  But I have worked in labs with animals before (nonlethal...one lab used dogs for a tick study, that later get cleaned up and adopted out and now lead perfectly normal lives).  Theres an insane amount of oversight and laws and hoops to jump through, and experimentations are not trivial.  The biggest misconception out there is that its easy to just test something in mice, for example. No, its not, it takes months before you can even go near a mouse.  I would guess that the constant changing of laws, regulations, ethics committies and IACUC (institutional animal care and use) committiees requiring frequent recertification and approvals all happen for a reason beyond something as simple as a simple rule change. Theres reasoning behind it, be it based on ethical discourse or likely some specific research guiding it.  The lab Im in now uses mice, and were not even allowed to change the way we draw blood without submitting a request and modifications to protocol, explaining why, explaining why its preferrable to the old way, and waiting on approval.  Even if it seems as something as trivial as taking blood from the tail (theres a tail vein) versus the rear leg.  The process to even use animals is huge, and its got a million more hoops for primate research, because that is indeed controversial and a hot issue. Theres a need for independent oversight as well.  At the UCs for example, animals are also cared for and monitored independently of whichever research labis using them.  Theres certainly far more handson oversight at the primate research centers: theres not many of them, theyre controversial, and theyre kind of a big deal. My main frustration with the primate page has been the implicit suggestion that animal use happens allwilly nilly, or more specifically, that its also done under the radar. Its just not.  And when were talking over primates, which are so highly regulated and of high interest, its really borderline ludicrous.  Now, clearly not everyone or every technician is an angel, but theyre in an extreme minority.  Actual abuse is awful, but its absolutely inno ones interest to torture monkeys for the sake of it as the purpose of a study (which again, need to likely be planned and request approval months to years in advance, and quite a lot get rejected.  I believe I mentioned somewhere that sometimes theyre collaborations with multiple labs analyzing different aspects of the same data, in order to minimize the number of animals used).  Users/EdWins

20100524 16:51:52 nbsp Im actually not taking it personally, or emotionally.  Im supposed to be busy with work and am just writing incoherently.  I completely understand your last comment to me, and think you should write that as part of the criticisms page.  My last rant aside, my more serious concern is just over keeping things factual.  If you look up the center, the daviswiki page is one of the top google returns.  Saying ethically it sucks and it seems just wrong and ugly is fine for the page.  Alleging lawbreaking and failure to report data wont be fine for the page by me, unless theres something concrete behind it.  I didnt mean to get caught up in most of the nittygritty.  heat of the moment editing rather than emotional attachment, probably.  Users/EdWins

20100525 10:03:48 nbsp Ive wasted more time on this monkey business than I have working on my grant.  (<.<)
I cant keep monkeying around with this deadline around the corner.  (>.>)
I....have like 20 more of those :( Users/EdWins
 Yeah, ditto.  I got hardly any work done yesterday.  :(  Hopefully things will be quieter today, or maybe Ill just try to ignore them even if they arent.  cp

20100526 17:58:35 nbsp slang usage, I apologize Users/StevenDaubert

20100526 21:11:39 nbsp I figured that the paragraph break changed the feel of them.  Feel free to add them back. (if you want a parenthetical at the end of a paragraph). Users/JabberWokky

20100527 11:05:22 nbsp No worries, Professor. Plus, trifling disagreements arent nearly enough to make me stay away from the wiki for good. Users/EBT

20100527 14:12:49 nbsp nice work deadifying Mustard Seed... ask and ye shall receive, huh? i like the way this place works. now, what would be really great is a full length bio (w/pic) of every City Council member in the history of Davis... and lengthy descriptions of every City Commission, with some info on action that theyve taken... ill also have a burger and fries from Plainfield Station, please. Users/KemblePope

20100528 20:27:46 nbsp Can you show me a good way to welcome http://daviswiki.org/Strelitzia_Flower_Co?actiondiff&version264&version163 the user who left this? Users/JasonAller
  Personally, I am not sure that she needs welcoming.  I am not sure that every new user needs a welcome.  She used a name  its not like ThisPlaceSucks or something like that  although she chose not to use a last name.  She said something pretty harsh, but I think most people know that whether someone was acting in a racist manner can be somewhat of a matter of perception and will read the comment in that light.  If that turns out to be the only comment that says that or if other people dispute the comment, then that will mean something.  If other people corroborate the comment, then that will mean something, too.  In short I think the comment is potentially informative and the user hasnt done anything wrong.  Yes, we could encourage her to say more about her identity, but maybe she will come back in time and do so on her own if she finds this a positive experience.  Or we could tell her that she has made a harsh accusation, but no doubt she knows that and perhaps feels it is justified.  I guess what I am saying is that unless someone has done something egregious  deleted or modified someone elses comment, said something offensive or made a personal attack, we might take a wait and see attitude and see how things go from there (if they go anywhere).  Its not like we all dont have plenty of other work to do, or other things to worry about.  cp

20100528 20:53:36 nbsp http://daviswiki.org/Recent_Changes?actionsearch&inline_stringracist&x0&y0 racism is a charge that gets thrown a lot. Most of the time on the wiki my reaction is that the person hurling the charge is leveling it out of anger rather than because there was really something to base it on. There is a big difference between a business putting up a No Irish Need Apply sign and a perception that race was a reason for perceived differential treatment between customers. Users/JasonAller
  I agree that it gets thrown around a lot, often without basis.  But your reaction to the comment supports my point that most people wont give comments like that much weight unless it turns out to be a pattern.  And we wont know if its a pattern unless we leave the comment.  And again, someone else may dispute it, which would be informational.  It is my belief that the person was probably ignored, as she said.  Whether it was because of her race, her age, her clothing, her demeanor, or something else, I have no idea.  She perceived it as due to her race; it may not have been.  I do think that it is not unheard of for people to act on biases that they themselves might not even be fully aware of.  cp

20100530 17:01:12 nbsp The use of Dons name in the edit comment seemed off to me. Youve established plenty of identity here, but there are instances where when you use my name or Dons it feels pretty one sided. Maybe it is nothing, but I felt I needed to point out that it felt a little odd. If Don or I had written the same thing it would have read, not true, Covert Professor. That space between Don and Shor turned it in my mind from his username into his real name, and the combination of that with not true stood out. Like I said maybe it isnt anything, but it did stand out to me. Users/JasonAller
  The reason I put his name in the comment was to make sure that he read it, since he seemed to be washing his hands of the affair, and I am frustrated because I feel as though he is exaggerating the situation. I didnt mean anything by it.  Sometimes I say things like DonShor or JasonAller, but I always feel a bit funny about it, since Jason is your name, not JasonAller.  I do see your point about the onesidedness of it and feel bad about it.  Im not sure what do to about it, other than to stop editing the wiki at all or to call you JasonAller.  Im willing to do either. cp

20100530 17:19:11 nbsp Please dont stop editting, there arent enough editors of your quality. I did ask Julia on her page about her comment. In rereading her comment the phrase who only cater to is key. If Strelitzia has ever catered to anyone outside the group Julia referred to then her comment starts to break down. The word only has some power to it. I hang out with language lawyers and so the only takes the statement from possible claim into the realm of things that Julia couldnt possibly know. Yeah, Im using her name... But Im avoiding the only she stuck in her username. ;) Users/JasonAller
 Yeah, that is clearly hyperbole on her part.  If her story really is true, then I suspect the exaggeration comes from anger and frustration.  I know that sort of thing would piss me off, even if I didnt think it was due to discrimination.  Doubly so if I thought it was.
 Thanks for your kind comments about my editing.  It remains a serious offer that if my harms start to outweigh my benefits, Ill stop.  So, what would you prefer that I call you?  JA?  JasonAller?  Ill call you what your prefer, though Your Highness might be off the table.  cp

20100530 17:31:53 nbsp Might as well call me Jason, after all Im trying to improve the sense of community around here. Besides I doubt that I could get people to call me Ishmael or JabberWokky or Archibald Harry Tuttle. Users/JasonAller
 Ok, will do  though Ishmael does have a nice ring to it.  cp
  Great.  Now Im picturing Jason in front of his computer, wearing a tall red, pointed hat and holding a freaking seven foot metal and wood harpoon, eyeing RC suspiciously and watching for flukes.  Hurm... His wife would never forgive me if I mailed him a full size iron harpoon, I suppose... jw
   sigh I guess youre right...  cp

20100530 23:04:54 nbsp Hey CP, I removed both Brians comment and your response, and added a note leading over to the /talk page.  Hopefully Brian can keep his grudge under control. Users/TomGarberson

20100530 23:08:29 nbsp Yeah... Im pretty sure thats the only reason he comes here.  /sigh Users/TomGarberson
  The purest troll Ive ever seen on the Wiki.  In terms of ratio, I think hes at a zero contribution, 100% troll rate. jw

20100601 20:29:53 nbsp I turned in a grant app on Friday (noticing about 25,000 teeny mistakes afterwards) and reedited it to submit to two more: one at noon, one at three pm tomorrow. Luckily I can use the same research proposal for all three, so right now, Im working on a few grantspecific questions.  Despite that, Im sure Ill notice another 25,000 mistakes this time tomorrow when Im done.  If I dont get one of these three, my head will explode, because theres no way Im going through this process again next year.  I already spent way too many hours in my PIs office editing with him last week, and two allnighters >.< Users/EdWins ES

20100601 20:33:09 nbsp Seriously, what kind of jerk makes you write a one page statement about why are you interested in this training program.  Because I want the funding and you guys offer the best additional perks you ninnies! >.<  (...best exposure, multidisclipinary, Ill be a lessevil scientist if you take me, etc).  Users/EdWins

20100604 20:39:24 nbsp No, but they are the actual statements coming from the subject of discussion after much speculation in absentia, so I figured Id highlight them within the long back and forth. Users/JabberWokky

20100605 17:46:46 nbsp At first I thought the other picture on Identity was weird, because its such a different illustration of the idea, but William pointed out it also works very well. Its a positive illustration instead of negative and in general I think pictures with people in them are nicer and more interesting than without. Users/NickSchmalenberger

20100605 23:28:06 nbsp Heh ;) Users/IDoNotExist

20100607 22:05:53 nbsp Sorry about widening the discussion on the Wiki Community/Accusations of Racism or Sexism entry you started.   I focused on the Accusations aspect.  Ive had discussions go in directions I didnt intend and lose the focus I wanted, and I know its frustrating.  I apologize for doing that to the discussion you started. Users/JabberWokky

20100608 09:29:09 nbsp Are you familiar with the events of the summer of 1991 in Davis as they relate to the accusations about the skateboard rapists? Users/JasonAller

20100608 09:47:20 nbsp That August Davis was damaged heavily by charges of a gang rape that turned out to be false. The saddest victims of all in my mind were real victims of rape. I feel that way because of how events unfolded. I havent wanted to put anything on the wiki about that event yet; mostly because doing so would hurt additional rape victims. The similarities in my mind however cause me to want to share the story with you. Can you pull up newsbank and go to the Sacramento Bee and search for Davis skateboard rape so I dont have to repeat the facts? Sadly the Davis Enterprise coverage isnt online as it would paint the picture a little more clearly. Let me know if youve read about the case. Users/JasonAller

20100608 10:44:34 nbsp I pointed out the 1991 incident because it shows how Davis reacts. The graffiti and flyers from that summer and the letters to the editor made a pretty strong impression. I didnt pick that to point out because of other issues, but just because of how it illustrates something about the town and how it handles things like racism. Users/JasonAller

20100608 19:54:19 nbsp Thanks for your edits on the xylitol page Users/DagonJones

20100608 22:52:33 nbsp I dont think Don has said that. Users/JasonAller

20100608 22:56:09 nbsp But that leaves out the scope it was applied to. What was the context, was it all of the wiki or as accusations on business pages? Users/JasonAller

20100608 23:00:10 nbsp Then lets clarify with him. Wouldnt that be the right thing to do? Users/JasonAller

20100608 23:04:13 nbsp The point is to demonstrate the kind of respect and behaviour you want to receive from other editors. Users/JasonAller

20100609 09:35:47 nbsp In case you didnt see, I http://daviswiki.org/Strelitzia_Flower_Co/Talk?actiondiff&version2120&version1119 hope you dont mind.  Users/EdWins

20100609 23:46:09 nbsp I hate wide tables.  I know, right?!  That always bugs the heck out of me. Users/TomGarberson

20100610 10:54:04 nbsp Especially if you are Spock.   Users/IDoNotExist

20100610 11:30:12 nbsp The younger fen running around at SF Cons (and lest it seem I am being dismissive, thats the future of fandom, and they are danged important) tend to use cosplay as a term for all costuming.  Not all, and if we were a fandom wiki, it might make sense to explain the rootless nature of the third wave anime fans (who came into the culture when anime became popular in the mainstream in conjunction with video games being seen as socially acceptable rather than something to get mocked for), and how a lack of connection to established fandom caused terminology across the board to be recoined rather than inherited.  It was an interesting population and interest swell during the 90s that affected (and affects) fandom in the same way the boomer generation affects the culture of the US.  There are a ton of really interesting essays and books written about the topic. Fandom really organized in the 1950s, well before the internet was popular, so there was a strong tradition of tracking people and interests (just so people could find each other in the days when it was difficult to communicate among people too far away to see each other face to face on a regular basis).  That tracking was still in effect during the rise of that young upswell into fandom (and has since dropped off as email and websites have made it less critical).  The lineages of con committees and the disconnected new cons that appeared during that era (and an epic swath of failed cons as groups without experience learned to run cons the hard way without the help of people with decades of experience) is particularly telling.

Most established cons have masquerades.  Younger, hip cons where people over 40 are looked at with suspicion (and to be brutally honest, often mocked), tend to have cosplay contests.  And yes, Im using the term younger for cons less than 15 to 20 years old, so its a relative term at this point.

Probably more than you wanted to know, but I got wordy. Users/JabberWokky
   Wow.  I just have to say thats a very interesting analysis.  I never thought about it that way before.   Users/ScottMeehleib
    Heh.  Yeah, Im only dimly aware of all of this.  My comment was sparked by thinking about my nephew, who is really into cosplay.  I suspect that he wouldnt be caught dead at a traditional Star Trek con.  cp

20100610 13:31:37 nbsp THANKS for the heads up on those Credo Jobs.  Sent in my resume today! Users/JackkiCox

20100610 13:54:43 nbsp TABLE CRUSADERS TO THE RESCUE! Users/TomGarberson

20100610 17:26:05 nbsp Unfortunately the County Clerks office and I think by state law does not count writeins unless it is an official writein campaign.  But you can take it up with the County Clerks office about how they report percentages.  I will have an article on one of the candidates tomorrow. Users/DavidGreenwald

20100613 10:56:32 nbsp Hey, I changed your links so they would always point to the edit you wanted them to point to, and not catch all following edits as well.  (I also included a reply somebody added to one, as it paired with the original comment). Users/JabberWokky

20100613 12:43:45 nbsp They have more salsa choices than the average Users/StevenDaubert

20100613 12:44:26 nbsp the way it was didnt pay homage to selection, I was trying to add something to the entry other than my comment Users/StevenDaubert

20100614 18:58:03 nbsp “Serenity is not freedom from the storm, but peace amid the storm”  Users/JabberWokky

20100615 00:05:10 nbsp Thanks for catching that! We really do have such a high level of consumption, that the overpopulation in this country has an especially bad impact. Users/NickSchmalenberger

20100615 14:42:11 nbsp I was just being silly in a somewhat pointed humor vein.  I picked on the Dog entry because it is so well written and intelligently laid out, with a good introduction and a pretty comprehensive scope (again, its the positioning I have issues with, not the topics at all  in fact, were they removed, Id see the entry as missing information).  Although, there are three topics I see missing on Dogs.  Local breeders (while Im somewhat personally somewhat against breeding  except for service dogs, who are bred for health and temperament rather than just appearance  they should probably be noted in the entry, including laws on breeding for profit, should somebody decide to do so), what to do when you find a stray dog, either feral or lost (and probably a section on feral dogs in general), and dog licenses (which Yolo County says are required).  I did a quick search through for each topic, but I could have missed them by searching for the wrong words. Users/JabberWokky

20100615 14:55:02 nbsp By the way: Users/SarahEdwards Meet Espresso, the only seeing eye dog Sarah raised that failed and became a domestic yellowtailofdestruction.  Were probably going to adopt a black labish mix after we move this August, because of the (somewhat unproven) fact that black dogs are much less likely to be adopted.  I figure that even if its an urban legend among shelter workers, it doesnt hurt anything to adopt a black dog. Users/JabberWokky

20100615 15:29:04 nbsp Ive often heard it called http://www.google.com/search?qBlack+Dog+Syndrome Black Dog Syndrome, although Wikipedia files it under wiki:wikipedia:Blackdog bias.

Ill take a whack tomorrow morning at reworking the Pregnancy entry in a way that presents everything in a positive manner for people who make all different choices and various needs.  It just feels very aimed at undergrads right now, with the information front loaded towards certain paths more common for people of college age.  Paths that I wholeheartedly endorse for people who need them (and thats all Ill state on my personal beliefs), but with a jarring lack of information for people looking to actually go through a pregnancy.  Jessica did a fantastic job adding what she knows.  Still, it is such a major topic that people going through it will really want to find and learn about local resources.  Given that, it seems awfully incomplete  even just by random Google gives more information standards.  Right now Im thinking the actual order is probably reasonable with an intro and reorganized headers to jump to the readers area of interest. Users/JabberWokky

20100616 13:38:36 nbsp I was just going to add that line, make it look cleaner

 Users/StevenDaubert

20100616 13:40:27 nbsp Eventually more than the grant is going to be commented on, I was just thinking long term, the comments lack an anchor to what they are referencing... Users/StevenDaubert

20100616 15:00:45 nbsp {{{>__>}}} good catch, didnt double check I was more than multi tasking at the time. Users/StevenDaubert

20100616 21:19:57 nbsp They are definitely the most awesome thai place in Davis these days.  At least of those Ive tried.  We get new ones so frequently that I cant keep up... Users/IDoNotExist

20100616 21:22:30 nbsp I think on the others, it is the official voting summary with a link to the full text.  If thats the voting summary (rather than the Measure summary, which is sometimes different and more technical/less clear), then it is correct.  Yolo County has a site with them all. Users/JabberWokky

20100616 21:26:29 nbsp ...or you change them all to the measure summary.  :)  Either way is fine, I think, although Id personally decaps them.  My editor has a mode to do it, and Id imagine theres something on the internet to do it. Users/JabberWokky

20100616 21:32:02 nbsp I wonder if Davis can support that many thai restaurants.  Id go to KetMoRee more, but they are so much more expensive for roughly the same stuff, and their new place that replaced Thai 2K isnt nearly as good... Users/IDoNotExist

20100616 22:03:54 nbsp 2K and KetMoRee and that place that took its place are all owned by the same person.  I think they wanted to do KetMoRee instead because it commands higher prices, and could support a bar with a nightclub.  But they turned off their 2K audience in the process.  I used to love 2K, but the new places dont even carry my favorite dishes from there.  Fortunately, Nakorn does.  :) Users/IDoNotExist

20100616 23:18:54 nbsp I was kind of disappointed by Red 88 (see my comment on their page).  But I think Ive only been there once  maybe twice?  Nakorn was much better... Users/IDoNotExist

20100617 10:51:28 nbsp Hmm...youre right.  It doesnt seem to exist.  (How appropriate!)  Perhaps I should leave one! Users/IDoNotExist

20100617 21:45:18 nbsp Of course!  You can probably find all the comments left by people who dont exist in plain sight every day! Users/IDoNotExist

20100619 18:04:24 nbsp Thanks for the link, doctor! Users/AndreWaymire

20100621 14:52:20 nbsp Hello. Its been a while. I no longer live in Davis but recently found an old article from 2009 that stated that the UC Davis campus was installing a new food/nutrition labeling system involving apples. I was curious as to whether it actually went into effect. I cant find a page on it on the Davis wiki, so my initial reaction was to question its existence, haha. You can find the article here http://docs.google.com/viewer?av&qcache:WpLwMPzRL_kJ:nutrition.ucdavis.edu/content/alumni/Summer2009.pdf+%22nutrition+bowl%22+csun+uc+davis&hlen&glus&pidbl&srcidADGEESiQTfM_rzFxtUifDjGmfW9UkKoL_TOgulfxyvnYxS0IdNvCiiXaiVi0waaAD2A4V8ZDkcY4WQiMH8uJmwEEZHPuqtwU7JXNssN_plt45rMBHf7ImO9eH4WeP07Pyp5zp2q8Qn&sigAHIEtbSvPyZKZyGtUE4PV3yjv8FUVv0Ig nutrition news letter. The reason why I am messaging you is that you are the only person who I know of that I am absolutely positive still lives in Davis and still is an active member of the Davis wiki. So exactly how wide spread is this system. Is it at the CoHo? Users/MattHh

20100624 23:44:38 nbsp Ha!  That is amusing.  I actually WAS using Pacific time (on a new OS install), and switched my time zone settings at the same time I was posting that, and checked that I was correct on the date  using a clock that was wrong (or right, but the wrong timezone).  I should have checked my phone.  Too many moving parts. Users/JabberWokky

20100625 13:51:11 nbsp The best thing about wiki disputes is that people change their minds.  Ive gone in thinking one way and had utterly incredibly well reasoned arguments presented that caused me to view things in a completely new way.  People on the wiki typically wade into discussions with the shared intent of finding a good solution for the wiki, and thats a great atmosphere for debating things.  Its not always the case (some of the longest discussions were cases where there were people seeking personal gain), but everybody seeking a positive outcome for the wiki as a whole holds true for most content disputes. Users/JabberWokky

20100625 15:59:01 nbsp I am extremely blessed to have such a great partner. Users/AshleyHamidi

20100626 14:16:33 nbsp Ithaca is nice. Its a lot like Davis, just hillier, colder and farther away from big cities (ooh that sounded bitter :) ). I really miss Davis to be honest, its great to  have the small town feel but also be so close to major cities, and I really took for granted the biking infrastructure as well. Yep, Moosewood is still there. I cant say I am too big of a fan of that restaurant though. The best food is at this Cambodian food stand in the farmers market. They have this chicken pineapple and potato curry that is just divine (kind of a cross between a sweet Thai curry and a hearty Indian curry). Users/MattHh

20100627 21:55:13 nbsp Thanks for the links, they help give my page a little pizazz! Users/MasonMatthews

20100706 10:59:19 nbsp Thanks for the comment; I didnt mean to imply we werent looking forward to Vanderbilt or were dismissing the Vandy and Nashville community. Users/JabberWokky

20100711 17:35:27 nbsp Have you considered creating a /Wiki Philosophy page for yourself? Users/JasonAller

20100711 21:25:42 nbsp If a CovertProfessor were to teach a philosophy class about being covert, would they still be covert?  In other words, can a covert professor teach such a class, or is that a contradiction?  :) Users/IDoNotExist
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?vJjMEFK8FM0E See minute 6.  cp
    Oh, for the day when computers would explode when faced with a logical contradiction.  It must have been much more exciting back then, with them bursting into flame.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?vDcrV_G6B4o&featurerelated  Users/IDoNotExist
     Destruction by contradiction, or destruction by campiness?  Either way, it seems to have been effective!  cp

20100712 10:52:43 nbsp I forgot to mention; Im on a training grant.  Actually...I was apparently accepted to all three I applied to, but theres a lot of grant politics involved in the selection process, and I ultimately only had one choice available (and it wasnt the one I wanted). The politics and horsetrading behind it is ridiculous, I actually came out feeling more like I took one for the team and that theres no point in celebrating.  Especially peeved because my PI said hes not able to buy me a new computer.  But I just got a grant !&${{{^}}}$(!!  The only real thing to take comfort in is that I did get accepted to the one I really wanted and that no one thought I would get (due to my lab having had two members in it over the last few years).  But again, that was tarnished.  Boooo.  Or yay.  Mostly boooo.  Users/EdWins
  That sucks.  Its true  academia is way too political.  Unfortunately, it turns out academics are just like everyone else.  :(  But congratulations on having a grant, even if it wasnt the one you wanted, and congratulations on being much better at grant writing than you thought you were!  cp

20100715 10:34:49 nbsp I hate editing the actual entry unless I know the information will not change in the near future. Why I only added it as a comment and not a page edit. Bartenders tend to a be a fickle lot and changes can occur quickly in the establishments. Users/WesOne

20100715 11:21:34 nbsp In regards to Mr./Ms. Truthhurts  I tend to agree with this sentiment of editing some comments (if not removing them entirely) and discussing ban.  At the moment he/she seems to be nothing more than a troll who shows a slight hint of potential.  I am not usually for an outright ban, especially for beginners here, but in many ways this reminds me of another Anon. user who did very similar things a while ago and was banned. Ill take a wait and see approach.  Just tired of endless tirades of negativity on the wiki from this user. Users/WesOne

20100715 11:48:48 nbsp My comment might have been a bit over the top, but it was how I felt. Glad you seem to agree. Users/WesOne

20100715 13:18:53 nbsp I cast a writein vote in the supervisor race for anyone else in the hopes that the election returns would show Don getting less than 100% of the vote. Unfortunately, http://www.yoloelections.org/returns/232.html it didnt work out that way. If Don really wanted this supervisor position so badly but didnt want to resign early, he should have paid for the special election to replace him. Instead, were stuck paying the bill for his own political ambitions.  Users/WilliamLewis

20100715 13:23:18 nbsp Re: Online classes.  wiki:wikipedia:List of largest United States colleges by enrollment There are many reasons for that.  I just havent heard a reason yet that involves quality of education or improved intellectual enrichment of the students.  Users/JabberWokky
  Exactly cp

20100715 14:30:52 nbsp you would have loved the blackberries from the backyard garden. My father was telling me how store berries are have been breed to have less sugar for longer shelf life but less sweetness. They were also amazingly tasty Users/StevenDaubert
  Oh yum, I bet they were awesome!  Pretty much all fruits and veggies you get at a grocery were bred for looks and travel rather than for taste.  Thats one reason why I have a CSA box and buy from the fruit stands and farmers market when I can.  Everything tastes so much better. cp

20100718 12:58:49 nbsp Write in candidates have to register with Freddie Oakley before an election to be valid, Ive know this since forever... Then again I do know lots of random tidbits Users/StevenDaubert
  Yeah, I always thought you could write in anyone.  Silly me.  I guess it makes sense that a person has to be an official writein, or otherwise they probably wont generate enough votes to be worth someones time to count.  But still.  I think a lot of people did not vote for Saylor and wrote in someone else.  Its too bad we have no official count of the protest vote. cp
  You have to register as a writein candidate to be elected. However, the people who run the election are free to count the writeins no matter what. wl
   There was an article in the Enterprise shortly after the election saying that all of these unofficial writeins really gummed up the works and delayed the counting.  No doubt actually counting them would be more time and expense (e.g., trying to decipher something written with a big fat black marker).  cp

20100718 13:04:04 nbsp its a shame you werent around for the crepe bistro. I bet you would have enjoyed the french onion Users/StevenDaubert
  I see from the wiki page that the manager of The Crêpe Bistro now operates La Crêpe at the Silo... thats someplace Ive been meaning to go to, but somehow never make it.  Do they have the French Onion Crêpes? cp
Its the french onion soup {{{:p}}} Crepes are good. The first owner of the bistro sold it to Max the French prof at UCD along time ago, and then Max hired Bruce (the manager now at la crepe) to manage bistro. Michelle (the first owner) now owns the cart in the silo. So its kinda like a scaled back bistro. Best crepe in town, made by a real Frenchman
  Ah, French onion soup.  I do like a good French onion soup.  I havent had French onion soup in a long time, good or otherwise.  So, I guess they dont have that at the Silo place.  Still, I should check them out... maybe sometime this fall when Im on campus more.  cp

20100718 20:35:05 nbsp Stop reverting my edits.  Users/DonShor

20100718 22:10:33 nbsp I can see the deadlock. Thats why I phrased the lock notice the way I did.   Users/JabberWokky

20100718 22:40:55 nbsp Im not willing to assist with tabling at the Farmers Market until the issue of how to deal with drive by comments from editors without any identity is resolved. I admire Williams willingness to go do it. Ive made many offers to the Chamber of Commerce to come give an in person Welcome to the Wiki/Business Owner presentation, and even have a slide show ready for that. Why would I be willing to go to the Chamber of Commerce, but not Farmers Market? Users/JasonAller
  Jason, Im not sure which comment or action of mine youre responding to  can you clarify?  cp
   I was just explaining why you wont see my name on the list of volunteers to help with that process, and contrasting it to another form of outreach where I have been willing to. Users/JasonAller
    Ok, I understand that position.  Im still not sure what youre getting at, or why youre telling me.  Are you trying to tell me how strongly you feel about the identity issue?  If thats the case, then please understand that I feel very strongly about it myself.  I genuinely think that it will damage the wiki to insist that new editors have to establish identity in order to contribute.  I understand your position, and I especially understand that it has arisen out of many attempts to reach out to new editors that have gone nowhere (in large part, probably, because of the difficulty of communicating with new editors).  And I understand your concern about the pileup of broken windows.  Its just that some of the windows you see as broken, I dont; and also that (probably because I havent been at this as long as you) I still have hope for reaching new editors, if we have the right communication tools. cp

20100719 12:25:58 nbsp http://daviswiki.org/Psi_Chi_Omega?actiondiff&version268&version167 Good example. Users/JabberWokky

20100719 13:37:31 nbsp TY on the link fix.  Sorry, but my editing skills are not on the same level as some here ... yet.  ;) Users/WesOne
  Sure, glad to help.  Youll get there.  :)  cp

20100720 08:23:36 nbsp Im glad to see the food at Queen of Sheba was good.  I love northern African cuisine, and its now on our to eat list when we visit town next year. Users/JabberWokky
  Definitely!  Perhaps allow for multiple visits.  :)  cp

20100720 10:16:55 nbsp Ha!  I just IMed Sarah asking if it was too obscure a quote.  Its one of the great speeches, and the tone and concept of both individual and united challenge it conveys is one I admire greatly.  I had started to type One small and then realized that has become a nearly meaningless catchphrase unless you really ponder it. Users/JabberWokky

20100720 20:12:30 nbsp Crap, Ive added a bunch of stuff that can be seen as having little to no value to the wiki. Is all of that subject to removal? What if a descendant of Covell wanted to remove Japanese Internment because they felt it reflected negatively on their family name? What if a business felt that a negative comment left on their page reflected negatively on their business? What if that comment was a poorly constructed accusation of racism? Do you want me to stop gnoming? Users/JasonAller
  Wait... because I disagree with you about some edits, you take to imply that I think you should stop gnoming?  Jason, thats out of line. Do you think so little of me, that I am so intolerant of disagreement that Id rather see you gone?  Or is it that I must accept all of your edits or none of them?  Yes, these questions are hyperbolic.  So is yours.  As for the other questions  it is actually my belief that the names on the Lil Sis page have no value whatever  I just didnt want to get into it, so I said little or no value.  Something cute or whimsical  that has value.  Real history, about what people did  that has value.  Someones experience with a local business, etc.  that has value.  Lists of names for people who were not elected to any office or served in some official capacity in an organization, without any information about what these people did?  No value.  My claim isnt that the names should be removed because they might harm someone.  My claim is that since they have no value, they should be removed because people have asked them to be removed, presumably because they are concerned about harm.  There is simply, in my view, no loss to their removal, and no implication that other wiki information that does have value can thereby be removed.  You and I disagreed over the Strelizia comment that you allude to.  I thought it did have value; perhaps you did not think it had value.  I think a lot of recent disagreements between editors are in part disagreements over what is valuable, or, to use a term used elsewhere in recent discussions, which edits are constructive. cp
   See http://daviswiki.org/Users/JasonAller?actiondiff&version21273&version11269 discussion with Tom for explanation of question. Users/JasonAller
    You wrote, When Im asking that question Im trying to figure out if the nature of the wiki community has changed more than Ive noticed and if my behavior that was once constructive is no longer constructive because the wiki has changed around me and I havent changed enough along with it. Im not asking it because I see an attack, nor am I threatening to withhold my efforts, Im trying to figure out if Im the source of the tension and problems. If people really dont see value in the things Im restoring back onto pages then maybe I no longer understand the wiki and I need to stop doing that. I disagree with it, but if what I see as productive edits are a source of problems then Im willing to reexamine why Im doing what Im doing.  I think the source of the tension is not you per se, but different and deeply held beliefs about what is best for the wiki.  You and I are two participants in that larger conversation.  I agree with the vast majority of your edits, but a few I dont agree with.  Some peoples views are more like yours, some more like mine.  Surely if we can send people to the moon, we can sort this out, not because it is easy, but because it is hard.  cp
     I know the number of removals has gone up and the number of people who do restorations has gone down. If Im causing problems by being one of the last of the people doing restorations maybe I need to reexamine why I put in the effort. Users/JasonAller
      As I said already, I agree with most of your edits, including most of your restorations.  cp
       Ditto tg

20100721 00:48:51 nbsp oololol archives! Users/StevenDaubert
 Is this one of those crappy comments situations? Users/TomGarberson
 I was trying to wait until the end of the year, but I couldnt take it anymore. cp

20100721 15:46:48 nbsp Hi CovertProfessor! Thanks for the intro greeting! Im glad to hear that you enjoy the changes/updates I am currently doing. Actually, I am from the City Clerk Office, and the City of Davis is in the middle of a huge recruitment campaign for those particular City Council Commissions. Would you be interested in helping me get the message out on DavisWiki about this recruitment campaign?  Users/ReiOkamoto

20100721 23:55:01 nbsp Hi Prof, Im new to the Wiki page and Im learning how to edit and do the whole wiki thing. I have a Press Release from the City Clerk which I would like to somehow post? I was thinking maybe there is a way to post this announcement of the Commission openings somewhere on the Front Page, so more people can see it? Any ideas to get the word out would be great! Users/ReiOkamoto

20100722 12:36:19 nbsp Thank you for creating the page! You have been a great help! I will add to that page, but you found the right page regarding the Press Release. Users/ReiOkamoto

20100722 20:56:53 nbsp I really like what you have done for the main page! The screenshot looks really great and hope the turnout of this campaign will be more successful than years in the past. I will continue to update and please let me know if you or anyone else on wiki has any questions! I appreciate your generosity! Hopefully my updates help the users! Users/ReiOkamoto

20100722 23:23:40 nbsp Yep, the agreement makes sense but it made me rethink about signing up. I figured I would rather be safe than sorry in case my bike has a flat, I have a special event to go to, or I run into other problems so I thought others would feel the same too. Users/hankim

20100723 15:17:58 nbsp I believe charm and readability have, as of yet, not been found mutually exclusive. That being said, I do not wish to enter into an editing war. Users/BrianPakpour

20100723 21:54:36 nbsp Law students are all notable.  Just ask one :) Users/TomGarberson

20100724 08:59:49 nbsp I thought Daniel Watts graduated...was he a 2L this past year?  I wouldnt say that people that ran for City Council (including myself) are notable alums...a large number of past councilmembers were King Hall alums, but arent listed on the page.  Krovoza won election, but isnt listed.   Users/ScottLay
 Actually, someone listed me once, mostly for my profession, and I took it off.  I just think that the alumni list will get diluted...Stan Forbes, Sheryl Freeman, and several others would meet the threshold. sl
  Yeah, maybe Ill work on that list...maybe after I steal your nice table of contents. sl

20100729 15:13:12 nbsp Brian definitely wasnt the first person to break.  There have been a number of people recently who have responded in various negative ways to their first interactions with more frequent editors.  I dont really feel like digging through weeks of edits to find examples, but I know weve had several people in recent weeks who have expressed their impression that their edits arent valued, or that new editors dont have the same voice as frequent editors. Users/TomGarberson

20100729 15:47:40 nbsp Ahh, gotcha.  Yeah, I think if arguments rehashing arguments get going on that page, Im just going to move them elsewhere. Users/TomGarberson

20100729 15:57:15 nbsp I mostly just like having a wiki community/cant we all just get along/get off my lawn page.  I picture Clint Eastwood going from cant we all just get along to get off my lawn.  No one wants that! Users/TomGarberson

20100729 16:00:45 nbsp Actually, I was kind of thinking of my own edits when I wrote that.  Im not pleased with how I handled the DLM thing yesterday. Users/TomGarberson

20100730 22:49:51 nbsp There is a wiki on a cloud.  I like to edit in my sleep... Users/IDoNotExist
 Arent any pages for me to bleep, not in my wiki on a cloud.

20100731 00:47:34 nbsp

At the end of the page, youre another page older.
And reverting it back doesnt keep out the shills.
Recent changes hurry past
Bad edits despite the gnomes trying
Local wiki is coming at last, Knighted and spilled
One page clearer from typing... Users/IDoNotExist
   :)  I dont think I can top that.  cp

20100801 07:58:23 nbsp CP, do you have a (presumably anonymous) offwiki means of communication?  Id like to shoot you an email or something. Users/TomGarberson

20100801 13:05:13 nbsp Was http://daviswiki.org/Wiki_Community/Cant_We_All_Just_Get_Along/Get_Off_My_Lawn?actiondiff&version23&version12 this a helpful way to welcome Brent back to the wiki? Users/JasonAller
  Was http://daviswiki.org/Users/JabberWokky?actiondiff&version21731&version11730 this a helpful way to comment on my and another editors activities in welcoming a new editor?  cp
   My comment was pretty borderlne, but as an alternative to dragging a new user into things I stand by it. Now please answer my question. Users/JasonAller
    It was more than borderline.  You metaphorically referred to IDNE and I as vampires, and attributed some strange motive to our behavior (as though we want more like us?  like I am encouraging anonymity by... what?  making a joke?  not being nasty?), instead of the simpler explanation  it was late at night, and we were simply having a bit of lighthearted fun with a new editor who chose an evocative username.  I was pretty well insulted by your comment, but tried to keep a sense of humor about it with my reply to JWs page.  (By the way, my comment meant to imply: if were such a problem, then do something about us.  I have already offered to leave the wiki if my presence is so harmful, so it would not be hard).  With regard to BL  he has been gone from the wiki for just a month.  He comes back and implicitly criticizes the wellmeaning activities of one of the most wellmeaning, productive, and relatively recent editors we have (with a real name, no less!).  All I did was  in a lighthearted way, I thought  point out that his past editing activities were not always entirely towards producing new content.  If I remember correctly, that is a bit of an understatement.  If I am misremembering, then I apologize.  cp
     The welcome of Users/jeanvaljean looked like http://daviswiki.org/Users/jeanvaljean?actionrecall&version2 this when I made my comment. I see two edits. One which is an __unsigned__ and __unlinked__ welcome that looks more like an excuse to show off cultural knowledge than an attempt to make a human connection and build community. The other which is __unsigned__ and __unlinked__ was slightly more humorous in its phrasing, but was more of the same. Neither made a human connection with the new editor. Neither reached out in a way that would let a new user know who left them or who they could go to if they had questions. So I left the comment I did to JabberWokky. It wasnt more than borderline, it was descriptive of my reaction, my signed reaction... you know the signature that connects the consequences of what I write to my offwiki existence. When Brent, Don or I make asses of ourselves we have the real world consequences of that behavior to live with. When http://daviswiki.org/Users/BrianPakpour?actiondiff&version29&version17 you goad named editors into exchanges you dont look bad off the wiki, but the other editor does. That is inherently unequal. Although you may be convincing me to change my ways, it isnt in the way you think because you make a really good argument for why I should stop editing using my real name and pick a new IP address and a new anonymous username and then I can snipe at real people without any regard for the consequences. Users/JasonAller
      None of that changes the fact that your signed comment was deeply insulting.   I may not use a real name on the wiki, but I am in fact a real person. And I was insulted for what?  Because IDNE and I did not sign our comments?  It was an offhand thing that I gave little thought to.  And when BP made a personal accusation on a page that is calling for a reconciliation, yes, I am going to say something.  If I am going to participate on this wiki, then it isnt going to be with my hands tied behind my back.  I certainly have said nothing that is even remotely as insulting as what you said about me on JWs page.  And I am tired of you calling for other editors to be respectful when you yourself are often not respectful.  If this is you with your gloves on, because you are signing your real name, I hate to think of what you are like with your gloves off.  Please reread what you wrote on JWs page, no matter how heartfelt it was, and think about how that might read to the people it was discussing.  cp
20100801  nbsp Thanks CP for your help with my pages!Derek Downey

20100803 07:21:53 nbsp More pics the better? Users/hankim

20100806 10:23:02 nbsp Haha thanks, good catch.  I moved Joes note and didnt fix it. Users/TomGarberson

20100806 13:58:46 nbsp The first two articles there arent horrible, but read the third one.  The opening paragraph essentially states that confusion is the only thing that got him off, and calls him accused Davis rapist.  It quotes a juror who thinks he should be guilty on all counts and a rape prevention person who repeatedly calls him a rapist, and completely ignores the opposing viewpoint.  Plus, theres the paragraph that reads, In the meantime, the nine women and three men who delivered the controversial verdict are recovering from weeks of sleepless nights and feelings of guilt and disappointment that they were unable to bring this case to a close.  Is there any conceivable interpretation under which thats not skewed?  I mean, the article is saying the verdict was wrong and the jurors feel guilty. Users/TomGarberson

20100807 16:54:14 nbsp I did not fully scour the changes on that page, I just saw the question on the Recent Changes page and went to do some research.  I think Ill rephrase that now. Users/MasonMurray

20100807 18:28:30 nbsp Re: R. Lugo link. Otherwise, essentially unlinked. Where else to link? CovertProfessor, link the dates and link to it from the Davis timeline.  Plausibly a legal action section could be made... a handful of entries fit.  However, I have been packing and loading a 26 truck for two days and have no editing mojo. Users/JabberWokky
  Thanks, that helps.  All I could think of was the date rape entry, which seemed a little over the top.  And Im a little low on editing mojo myself, though for different reasons.  Good luck with your move!  cp

20100808 17:07:03 nbsp sweet include btw Users/StevenDaubert
  Thanks.  :)   Users/CovertProfessor

20100809 15:57:26 nbsp Hey my name is Jackie, I heard ur a pro at this I was I wondering if u could help me out. I offered my hair lady help with her shops wiki page cuz I thought it wld be easy I guess a couple people have tired to help them but they also could not figure it out. I feel bad that I cant fix it so I was hoping you could help? I am trying to update Angies Beauty Salon: It closed May 31st 2010 and it reopened under new staff and owner as Angies Hair Salon. If you could help out that would be great. I just dont want to mess anything up.

Anywhoo. I love your restaurant reviews! You have exquisite taste!   Users/JackieRodriguez

20100809 23:24:17 nbsp Disregard that last comment! I figured it out after a lot of trial and error!
Anywhoo, I wanted to also tell about this cool pizza place I found in Davis its super good! Lampost Pizza! Let me know what you think!  ;)

Jackie Users/JackieRodriguez

20100809 23:26:05 nbsp Oh jeez just realized that you already reviewed it haa haa! Seeee I love your reviews I can always count on them!  Users/JackieRodriguez

20100814 07:30:06 nbsp Hey CP, any advice for a nice Sunday brunch place?  I know Seasons does brunch, which ought to be good.  Just wondering if there are other good options.  My parents are going to be in town, so were looking for something nice. Users/TomGarberson

20100814 18:53:26 nbsp Thanks, I figure I will make a couple small tweaks and then wash my hands of the entire business. Its tiring to follow it for very long at this point. Users/JoePomidor

20100818 13:02:29 nbsp Hi, thanks! Ive got wiki hiking pages covering all of northern California now (see Hiking Trails in California).

You could just make a link to the Dog Parks page and move the external links over there. As you know, on a wiki nobody needs permission to edit what somebody else has written.

Your users page is impressive. Your restaurant reviews are interesting as a group, and I see that you have also posted directly on the pages for the individual restaurants.

Unfortunately Ive been dreaming about hiking more than actually doing it. Whenever I have details to offer I make links to my BRT trip reports and photo albums (e.g. Cache Creek Ridge Trail)  Users/BruceThomas

20100824 22:21:05 nbsp Hi CovertProfessor, I noticed that some comments were missing from Angies beauty salon, of which is now Angies Hair Salon. Then I came across your comment towards another individual saying basically the same. I am new to this and would like advise about this situation; do I make a comment about what has been accuring and post it under angies beauty salon or do I just leave it alone. Angie is such a good person and stylist and I feel its so wrong what Expressions Hair Design stylists are doing. Thanks for your time. Users/ElizabethL

20100828 22:17:20 nbsp The reason I did that was because when I was at the Salon, some clients that were there at the same time, were the once that actually mentioned about the Salon being closed. And they mentioned that it was confusing and that it seemed as if Angie no longer had a business. The changes made reflect that the business is still there, and its still the same business the only difference is the beauty/hair part of the business name, also some of the people that used to work there are no longer there.  Users/ElizabethL

20100830 19:12:53 nbsp Even if this were all Luci was trying to do, deleting every comment on the salon page is still shady and tends to go against everything on the Wiki. Now, if it were an archiving mistake, maybe... I am not sure what actually happened there, but seeing her past communications and the way she tends to respond to people here... I makes me think more on the unpleasant side than the positive oops, sorry I erred. Users/WesP

20100830 23:14:12 nbsp I agree with the benefit of the doubt.. getting hard to tell around here nowadays. She is now claiming it was an exe,ployee/coworker that did the edits and hijacked her acct.  Have PN working on it to get it resolved. Users/WesP

20100831 13:47:10 nbsp Thank you so much... this now makes total sense! Users/ElizabethL

20100906 12:09:58 nbsp http://daviswiki.org/Sears?actiondiff&version28&version17 Perfect! Users/JabberWokky
  It was a joint effort.  :)   Users/CovertProfessor

20100907 13:07:22 nbsp Thank you for your reply, I didnt know Philip was a founder. Like I said Im fairly new to this, but thank you. Users/Saher

20100907 16:33:15 nbsp Knew I forgot something. thanks for the link on the reviews. :) Users/WesP

20100907 22:28:03 nbsp Hello, I am sorry to bombard your page with all this. My name is Anamaria and I was one of the owners of Angies Beauty Salon. I just wanted to clear a few things up regarding recent changes and comments made about the salon I currently own (Expressions) and the salon I use to coown (Angies Beauty Salon). I loved Angies Beauty Salon! Angie and I started that salon from scratch and turned it into a successful business! I poured my heart and soul into that business for the last 10 Years!

Angie and I just decided to part ways for personal reasons.

I simply wanted to let the public know that Angie and I legally closed down Angies Beauty Salon. We even featured it in the Davis Enterprise as a closed business and terminated the business license. Angie decided to keep the location and phone number and open a new salon with a new name and new license number, which she named Angie Hair Salon. I, in NO way, have any ill intentions towards Angie Hair Salon.

I, along with some of our clients, wanted to let the public know where to find me and two other hair stylists that worked at Angies Beauty Salon...that was all!

Again...I meant no harm. If our clients or I made it seem that way I am truly sorry!

If anyone wants to know more please feel free to call me and ask any questions.

Thank you so much for your time. Users/Anavarro

20100908 11:54:16 nbsp Hey there fellow foodie, I think you should Check out Jaymes Fat Face for some awesome sandwiches and Popsicles! You wont be disappointed! :D Users/AshleyMatson
  I agree!  Ive had one of their sandwiches and one of their popsicles at the Farmers Market  somehow, Ive never managed to get back to have more, even though I really liked both!  I wish the shop was open more hours, but maybe as their business builds they will be.   Users/CovertProfessor

20100908 23:38:01 nbsp I agree with you completely. Easier to follow, easy to see what happened. Easier to discuss.  Almost every regular only tracks changes, they dont simply look at the final version, and giant paragraphs of changes are hard to track.  Multiple edits are more bettah, which I believe is a technical term you were looking for.  Users/EdWins
  If Im doing some boring gnome edits or otherwise noncontroversial edits plus an edit that somebody might take issue with, I often split them so that you can see the one clearly (and revert it if you feel you should).  I agree: splitting up edits like that is often helpful for people picking through edit histories. jw
   Thanks  I feel like Im in good company.  cp

20100909 16:12:37 nbsp Hi CP.  I took a little while to get back to you, not because I was ignoring you, but because I wanted to make sure my response was quite what I meant.  Since the wiki is a conglomeration, an extension of those who make it up, dont you think its best to represent multiple viewpoints?  While I agree with you, even my second attempt seemed overly harsh, perhaps there is a better way I could phrase it to make it seem more welcoming.  I invite you to continue sharing your alternate viewpoint, and hope you could give me some guidance on how to phrase what I hope was an otherwise clear point in a more friendly manner.  Users/MasonMurray
  Honestly  it is hard for me to suggest how to word your suggestion because I think you are simply mistaken on this one.  See JWs and ESs comments above for an explanation of why it is good to split edits apart.  Aside from the reasons they give, it often the case that we do preview, and then afterward, think of something else to say, a better way to word something, or another thing to link, etc..  So, then you are criticizing someone for simply being human and not always thinking of everything all at once.  Also, if you are wary of computer/network crashes, doing things in chunks is like saving a document often  its simply safe practice.  So, in general, yes  I think its best to represent all sides.  But honestly, in this case, it just seems like you are nitpicking at wellmeaning editors, and I think that does more harm than good.  Sure, if someone is clearly not previewing  they are continually miscoding the page, over and over again  then you might point out that there is a preview button that could help them out.  But no one likes to be criticized, and there are so many more egregious things that editors can do (spam, shill, make personal attacks, etc.), that it seems as though the main thing youre accomplishing by leaving these notes is to waste your time and to make things that much more unpleasant for new editors.  And I genuinely think it would be better if you didnt do it at all for people who are merely splitting their edits up.  Sorry.  cp
   You must find it at least a little humerus that your primary criticism is that people dont like to be criticized.  Since your response basically read Give up and do something else, youre wasting your time and not helping (constituting flaming on most sites, I might add) and you are unwilling to help, Ill continue to try and shift my phrasing on my own.  I invite you to continue sharing your dissenting opinion, but I hope you will do so with more civility in the future. MM
    Yes, I was aware of the irony, and hoped that you would pick up on it.  Not much fun, is it?  But I am criticizing in order to try to prevent what I see as a greater harm.  Please consider the harms vs. the benefits.  And also please consider that my reply was not uncivil.  And that you did ask for my opinion.  I gave it.  cp
    OIC wat u did thar.  Very nice.  After the fact I can thoroughly enjoy it.  I will weigh the opinions expressed here and exercise more care checking the edits rather than counting them.  On an English related note, I was careful not to call it irony, because of how often the word is used improperly.  I make sure not to use it unless Im absolutely sure it would be correct.  MM
      Checking the edits rather than counting them sounds good to me.  :)  cp

20100909 21:05:36 nbsp Just to add my two cents, I dont think theres anything wrong with having sequential edits, even many of them, as long as theyre reasonably adding content.  Preview should be recommended when a user just failed to proof their edits and had to go back and correct things... often onebyone.  I dont see a problem with sequential edits, as long as theyre decent edits.

That said, I havent looked back over the edits made by this user, or the last time the discussion came up.  So, I cant really comment on whether I think the recommendation was a good idea here or not.

My one other note is that its far better to err on the side of welcoming, encouraging, and positive feedback for newish editors.  Again, Im not saying either way whether thats what happened here.  But if theres any doubt in your mind, I feel its better to limit it to YAY, HAI! EDIT MOAR! the first time around, and leave the finetuning for later. Users/TomGarberson
  I think YAY, HAI! EDIT MOAR should be our new standard greeting. Hell with this welcome to the wiki stuff.  cp
   I approve this product and/or service. tg

20100912 14:47:06 nbsp Heh.  I thought of it like slapping some paint over the rust.  The entry really needs to be rewritten.  Right now its like an entry for a Greek restaurant where the majority of the text is explaining how horrible Italian food is.  Ill take a whack at it later; the edits were made as I was just fixing the wikipedia link format, and its more a flag for other editors than anything else.  Many years ago, it used to be called the Arlen method: make an outrageous edit and people swarm in to fix it, improving everything as a result. Users/JabberWokky

20100914 06:54:26 nbsp Ah, probably during the weeks of chaos from the move, when I really wasnt following edits well.  He can restore it...  I was just worried about it causing confusion. Users/JabberWokky

20100920 10:35:49 nbsp Thanks! Users/TomGarberson

20100920 23:41:41 nbsp sigh its true, I too witnessed the reversion. Users/OliviaY

20100922 09:21:29 nbsp Thanks for beautifying my uggy updates D  Users/GreatRyan

20100927 09:54:01 nbsp Sarah and I got new Android phones on Friday.  You were asking about screens that are easy to read?  The Samsung Epic 4G has a wiki:wikipedia:AMOLED Super AMOLED, which apparently uses some kind of strange sorcery to sooth your eyes as you use it.  Theres a novel texture to the screen that bugged me for about two hours and is now really nice.  Its an artifact of the pixels not being square, I believe.  On the other hand, it also reminds me of the painted quality of medieval illuminations.  Whatever it is, Sarah and I spent basically three solid days staring into tiny little screens and suffered no eyestrain.  EInk, like the Kindle and Nook, is still in a category of its own (as it is basically a printed page that reshuffles itself), but this little screen is amazingly readable.  Alas, it isnt commercially available in large sizes, even that of a ebook reader.  Based on my experience (which is with the Super AMOLED, which addresses some issues with earlier AMOLEDs, especially in direct sunlight), Id certainly keep an eye out for a reader that uses it.  Again, thats assuming you want a reader that can also function as a basic email and browser, which is where monochromatic and sluggish Eink tends to fail.

On the other hand, I still have yet to find any eBook reader that mimics a book enough to create spacial memory to find a section or quote quickly.  I can, however, slide a physical volume off the shelf that I havent touched in years and quickly flip to the section I want.  I can also bring a pile of books to a meeting and share them among newcomers.  That spacial memory of pages and an easy way to share and flip through together are going to be tough to replicate for awhile. Users/JabberWokky
  Thanks, JW.  So far I have been using an iPad and Im pretty pleased with it.  The screen isnt as good as it could be (so I will keep an eye out for the screen you mention, both in a tablet size and smartphone size when Im in the market for one of those), but I find it easier to read than a computer screen for some reason.  I know what you mean about the spacial memory, but on the other hand, on the iPad I can search for particular words, which I cant do in a paper book unless it has a really good index (most dont).  And I can carry a lot more books with the iPad without undue strain.  So, pros and cons.   Users/CovertProfessor
     While reading the New York Times and WSJ, the iPad beats out the newspapers every time.  While doing medieval reenactment and tabletop roleplaying (both characterized by heavy on the spot research in groups of people), Ive found that having both physical books and their searchable PDFs are incredibly useful.  The two together are like an index and pass around version.  For computer programming texts, I just use a computer screen, but thats because of their specific nature and the fact that Im at a computer when referring to them.  For long reading sessions (cover to cover reads), I think books might still edge out the iPad, but screen advances might well flip the advantage to an electronic reader.  I cant really read long texts on a computer screen, but I can with the iPad, so I can see things getting better.   Its an interesting time, somewhat similar to when printing presses became the norm.  jw
       Yeah  I read a lot of PDFs.  If its just one or a few, I prefer the iPad.  But if Im referring to a number of PDFs and trying to write at the same time, I need the computer.  Alas, its rare that I get the time to do a long reading session, so maybe thats why Ive been OK reading books on the iPad.  I agree  things are very interesting right now.  I keep wondering if paper books will go the way of 8track tapes or if they will be more like vinyl records; if things do go mostly electronic, which books will make it and which wont; and how many people will end up like Jean LucPicard.   Users/CovertProfessor

20100927 19:31:27 nbsp I was thinking it should run from the left of the page to the blue table of contents box but I guess thats kinda big for the main rest. page. Just thought it would look really clean. Users/CraigFergus

20100928 19:18:24 nbsp Thats true.  I think that if its because of intimidation, though, the proper response is a ceaseanddesist letter CCed to his ISP and the Sacramento Field Office of the FBI. Users/TomGarberson

20100929 10:23:36 nbsp There are some related issues being discussed in email right now.  That was one of two cases where nastiness expanded to offwiki stupidity.  Since it was offwiki and happened to people other than myself, I am personally hesitant to discuss the details on the wiki without the consent of those involved.  I figure this is fair  you (and anybody else) who inquires deserves the basic outline of the situation, even if the specifics are vague. Users/JabberWokky
  I suspected as much, and I understand.  Its why I havent personally pushed for the reinstatement of the entry (that I originally created!  in praise of the business!  sigh)   Users/CovertProfessor

20100929 15:33:46 nbsp Hallo! I noticed that Garett deleted a couple of your comments on the Bicycle Parade page, and you had not restored them in subsequent edits. I thought the point of the schools one was wellmade, though, so I reposted it with attributions and such. Feel free to delete my name or yours if you so desire. Users/JoePomidor

20100929 17:39:09 nbsp Photo of a bike, and the parade entry is up for Featured Page in the next day or so, in my view. Users/JabberWokky
  I agree.  And thanks for the cleanup on the page.  I didnt have the energy for it.   Users/CovertProfessor

20101002 19:21:11 nbsp in the IT world you can have about 3 minutes of downtime per month, anything past that and you lose your 99.9 % uptime, which is the goal for any sensible ISP operation, as its more or less a standard that is expected from pro lvl hosting. Users/StevenDaubert
  Yahunh.  And what happens and what should happen arent always the same.   Users/CovertProfessor
In the real world your fired if you dont keep uptime stats like thatDaubert
  I think you completely missed the point I was trying to make on Bobs page.  1) Bob is a troll; dont reply to him.  2) No one is up all of the time, a point that you seem to agree with.  The fact that he says otherwise is one piece of evidence for his trollness.
 I am not defending Comcast or saying that whats been happening is normal or acceptable.  cp
  Bob  me bored.  I felt like illustrating for Greg the difference between a troll (Bob) and people like, say, any of the three of us, who were either trying to offer constructive advice or improve a page. Users/TomGarberson
   Right.  I was half aiming at Greg, too, when I resurrected the trolls page.  I couldnt tell if he was honestly confused over the difference between a troll and a gnome, or if he was just labeling everyone who disagreed with him a troll.  cp
 Of course I missed the point, I was just commenting on the general nature of downtime, and high availability for enterprise grade network related stuff
{{{
 Availability %     Downtime per year     Downtime per month     Downtime per week
90% (one nine)     36.5 days     72 hours     16.8 hours
95%     18.25 days     36 hours     8.4 hours
98%     7.30 days     14.4 hours     3.36 hours
99% (two nines)     3.65 days     7.20 hours     1.68 hours
99.5%     1.83 days     3.60 hours     50.4 minutes
99.8%     17.52 hours     86.23 minutes     20.16 minutes
99.9% (three nines)     8.76 hours     43.2 minutes     10.1 minutes
99.95%     4.38 hours     21.56 minutes     5.04 minutes
99.99% (four nines)     52.56 minutes     4.32 minutes     1.01 minutes
99.999% (five nines)     5.26 minutes     25.9 seconds     6.05 seconds
99.9999% (six nines)     31.5 seconds     2.59 seconds     0.605 seconds
}}}
 Interesting table, Daubert.  Since switching back to Comcast a year and a half ago, Ive definitely been between four nines and five nines.  Years ago when they took over @home cable (or was there one other intermediary?), they were more like two nines.  But damn, I feel bad for people affected by this current problem.  Being down for hours at a time can be really, really aggravating.  Its bad enough when you get dropped for a minute or two. tg
  In this current incarnation of the problem, I havent been down for hours at a time (that really would make my life difficult), but its definitely been 1015 mins/day at times, which also sucks.  cp

20101003 14:38:05 nbsp I used to follow Dateline UC Davis, but have let it slip as I try and rebalance my online time.  Darn tooting that a MacArthur Fellowship is noteworthy.  Glad you caught it. Users/JabberWokky
  Yeah, hard to keep up with it all.  I see things on Dateline, in the Enterprise, and in the Vanguard that I want to record and cant get to.  But I didnt want to let this one slide by.  cp

20101004 16:55:58 nbsp CovertFYI reason I didnt move the pic (and I agree it looks better there) is Ive been criticized for moving pics before. Users/PeterBoulay

20101006 16:48:57 nbsp (I keep thinking somebody should ask Luci if those photos are Creative Commons, but I want to do so after this all calms down). Users/JabberWokky
  Oh my, yes  I see what you mean.  Well, youll have to act quickly if you spot a lull.  Looking at the history of this page, its been one flare up after another.  Luci seems unrepentant and unwilling to learn about what the page and the wiki are for.  The gall to ask for this deletion after all of the bad behavior floors me, although I guess creating the talk page can be seen as progress of a sort.  Users/CovertProfessor
   Woosies....her page is a continuing source of frustration. Dont waitjust deal with it...matter of factI will. Thx for the idea! PeteB

20101006 19:06:43 nbsp No problem with the linksnot all gnomes are perfect :) Users/PeterBoulay
  No way!  I never make mistakes!  ;)  cp
   You must not be marriedmy wife elaborates on all my mistakes...again...and again...and again...and... PeteB
    And you dont tell her that you dont make mistakes?  Get on it, man!  cp

20101007 09:11:14 nbsp Please dont get burned out.  Weve lost too many down that path.  Idiots will perpetually creep at the edges.  Its worth remembering the big picture now and then. Users/JabberWokky
  Thanks.  deep, cleansing breath  I will try to let more of this roll off of me.   Users/CovertProfessor

20101007 09:41:20 nbsp Try out   PingTest.net   and SpeedTest.net.   (Not to tease you too much, but http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/7155/woohoospeed.jpg teehee.) Users/EdWins
  Ha!  At the moment, my Comcast connection is pretty good, though not as good as yours (no packet loss, 26 ms ping, 7 ms jitter), but it comes and goes.  Swhat I get for working from home.   Users/CovertProfessor

20101007 14:41:29 nbsp Hello. I do realize that. Im just updating information about the club that has been voted on a few days ago. Its been changed on Facebook as well, so I wanted to update any other pages that may not have been changed yet. Just following Campus Student Involvement policies. Users/JenniferGiang

20101007 14:42:41 nbsp Er... I mean Center for Student Involvement. Users/JenniferGiang

20101007 19:08:59 nbsp You were correct in pointing out the controversy behind the issue CoverProfessor. Thank you for noticing it, and addressing it. Users/ThUn

20101007 19:29:21 nbsp Its very troublesome, and quite upsetting. One of the reasons why I see a lot of student leaders on campus who lose their inspiration to continue fighting for whatever cause they wish. Thank you for your condolences CoverProfessor. :   Users/ThUn

20101007 20:17:47 nbsp Ill just tough it out, and try my best to make 2x the influence I can without the need of any position or title. Ill show em up! :

I also wanted to apologize for our past quarrel. I was being defensive as an employee of CHU. No longer, I have returned to the world of reason. Haha. Users/ThUn

20101007 22:48:52 nbsp That is true. Well past is past, and again Ive returned to the world of reason. : Anyhow, I do hope this current issue comes to a more reasonable resolution. I feel as though I am an incumbent in a political campaign, and the current office wishes me gone by all means. That essentially sums up everything.  Users/ThUn

20101008 12:36:30 nbsp That is very true. Academia is very political in several aspects. Its very easy to offend anothers views/beliefs too, unknowingly. Im definitely capable of slipping up as well. My issue is that so many people these days are afraid of discourse. Instead, once offended, they get defensive and pin you as an enemy. :\ Users/ThUn

20101008 21:45:26 nbsp Thanks for the advice. Thats pretty much my approach right now. Allowing the space to cool off, then I will continue to address the problem at its source in due time. Users/ThUn

20101008 23:24:59 nbsp Thank you, Ill let you know if things improve. : Users/ThUn

20101010 20:32:31 nbsp I tried to delete 2 posts on my Chipotle page. My managers identity was used as well as her employee number. This person slandered my restaurant, used my managers name as well as her employee number. This is a direct violation of our confidentiality agreement policy. It must be removed. We are actually going to contact the police tomorrow and try to ping back to the disgruntled employee. I will be prosecuting this person. Joe Herman Chipotle jherman@chipotle.com Users/jherman
  Good luck, but if Im not mistaken, confidentiality agreement would be a civil matter, not a criminal matter, and the PD probably wont help you. If its really obviously slander, they might help you, but its probably gotta be super obvious. Im no lawyer, Im probably wrong, but its something to consider... Users/GarrettGallegos

20101011 18:43:39 nbsp Apologies for offending.  I thought it was causing drama.  I saw a few heated comments on the page and deleted. Users/PhilipNeustrom

20101013 13:06:45 nbsp Not a business, but I had to do the same thing with Hotwire.  It does make sense... kind of a variant on NoLongerExists, but heres the new one.  The only problem is that an include cant have the custom text you would probably need to word it right.  Something along the lines of but the same owners and staff now run Foosball Restaurant or, for a band, they reformed after a year as Angry Ants.  If includes had mutable text (a la the {{{stop}}} macro), it would make more sense.  I wonder if theres a way to do it with a partial include... an include for form stuff, and then space for the subject specific info. Users/JabberWokky

20101013 16:47:36 nbsp Of the classics, I miss the seed as well.  I did that one early on, and its actually on a number of wikis out there, Wiki Spot and beyond.  Its kind of a thrill to see it in different places on the web and realize that I drew that with my mouse using a paint program.  We could always kick the seed include down to an inline notice and reinstate it.  Other than the HIPAA and context alerts (NoLongerExists, Departed Business, etc), I dont think theres an absolute need for those larger includes.  The larger seed kind of pushes the idea Hey, you... yes you behind the keyboard... you can edit this!. Users/JabberWokky
  I say, bring it back!  Even though its smaller, to me it was more evocative.  It made me want to help the little seed along.  cp
  I like this, too!  cp

20101018 23:06:16 nbsp But, but!  21st century trees will devastate the world if they are not shrieked at by phallic, gas powered, windy golf clubs! Users/JabberWokky
  I love it when you talk dirty, JW!  Rawwwr! tg
  I know you hate smileys, JW, but :)  cp

20101019 16:12:15 nbsp The leaves.  You asked (from memory) are they that oppressive?  I answered! Users/TomGarberson

20101019 16:51:12 nbsp Hahahaha! Users/TomGarberson

20101019 22:18:53 nbsp How is someone who runs a family business in Davis expected to finish a route (there is a different one every day) when there is no blow in mow blow go? Users/StevenDaubert

20101028 16:38:13 nbsp I was looking at the pronunciation thing and it looked kinda silly.  Oh well!  Richard (Allegre) Users/AllegreApartments

20101101 23:17:02 nbsp True enough.. I will no longer edit the spelling of comments, sticking only to the main entries.  Not frustrated with the wiki spelling, just personal things and for some odd reason find it relaxing to just browse the net and make corrections. Users/WesP

20101116 01:29:23 nbsp Every time I see a comment made by you I wonder if you really are a professor, if youre a prof at UCD, and if so, what do you teach? Or would the answers negate the covert part? Just curious :D Users/KaprilWooley

20101116 21:38:39 nbsp Ahhhh... I didnt mean to imply that I didnt believe you were a professor, I was just very curious about what KIND of professor. Youre so mysterious!! Users/KaprilWooley

20101119 10:53:02 nbsp Dear Professor, please see discussion at Current Businesses Users/BruceHansen

20101121 02:53:12 nbsp Hey CovertProfessor! I see that youve noticed my cleaning up of the City Commissions Page. From what the Deputy City Clerk has told me, those Commissions are no longer active, which is why there is no links of it on the City website itself either. Im assuming those old commissions existed long time ago, which probably explains why no one was able to create a page with more information and details of them. We can possibly put them back up as an archived link? Let me know what you think Users/ReiOkamoto

20101125 22:07:30 nbsp An excellent collaboration. Thanks! Users/DonShor

20101127 16:44:19 nbsp Just because I have the same IP address as someone else who leaves a review does not imply that we are the same person, nor does it imply that we have the same computer. It only implies that we connect through the same router.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_address_translation was required because if every single person on the internet had their own IP there would not be enough to lease to everyone, which is exactly the reasoning behind IP6.

Since most people in college towns live with roommates since the cost of living is so high it would be especially naive to assume that because two comments are reported to have the same IP from davis wiki that they are the same person. Since essentially all home networks now connect to the internet through a modern router using NAT processing. Having the same IP address on Davis wiki could mean so many different things, that we are the same person, that we live in the same apartment, that we share internet across apartments, that we have shared apartment internet, that we live in the same dorm. It is absurd to assume you know which one it is.

Cheers. Users/upisdown

20101206 02:55:31 nbsp It may or may not have I just got confirmation for myself and shared it with others

You are supposed to care more about dog seating then name spelling ! Users/StevenDaubert

20101207 09:52:05 nbsp A question I have about what has been the Spiritual Organizations page, is that how the Atheists are categorized?  Would you have a suggestion for a different page name?  Maybe with the changed page name there are some other organizations to add. Users/BruceHansen

20101207 17:05:03 nbsp I only removed it because the edit conflict wasnt obvious (it took me a moment to realize I had blocked an edit to my own comment). I like the original sic.  That is decidedly an intentionally placed error in that statement. Users/JabberWokky

20101207 17:21:25 nbsp And between you and I, Luci answered the phone and I immediately asked for Emily, hoping I could find a new person who might be able to communicate better than Luci has in the past.  Emily does seem willing to listen, and earnest in asking for help. Users/JabberWokky

20101207 17:28:48 nbsp Sometimes it is just a case leaping on an opportunity to move forward.  Until Emily popped up, I really thought (and from the comments, I was not alone) that there was a pretty straight road toward locking the entry, a la Real Computers. Users/JabberWokky

20101207 18:43:09 nbsp So question, are you still relatively new to Davis? I ... think youre pretty well established, if wikidom has anything to do with it :D Users/ChristyMarsden

20101207 22:28:09 nbsp Well, by Kemple Pope standards (mostly due to DavisWiki involvement) Ive been decided a Davisite at only 6.5 years! You should talk to him and see what he can do for you.

... not that I actively advertise that, I feel I will never be a true Davisite as I have no intentions for living here past my educational needs. Jobs will lead me onwards. Users/ChristyMarsden

20101208 10:21:37 nbsp If they use it again, Ill remove it.  Spam accounts almost always only get used once, so I tend to only block them after they post twice (the interface is a bit clunky, and I dont want to fill up the banned account field with every oneshot spamhouse account).  Normally Id block Webmaster after the second bout of edits, but they were in such close chronological proximity, I lumped them in together as one session.  Plus, I kind of liked getting the new terms for the blacklist.  Periodically I sweep all of Wiki Spot for known spam links. Users/JabberWokky

20101208 13:54:55 nbsp Hahaha... Im picturing everyone who views that page suddenly vomiting when they see that image.  You go through more laptops that way... Users/TomGarberson

20101208 13:57:43 nbsp My sometimes likes to sit next to me on the couch.  Hes in for a surprise! Users/TomGarberson

20101208 16:50:29 nbsp I have had more edit collisions today than the rest of the past year, I think. Users/JabberWokky

20101210 17:15:40 nbsp valon and Brisa Villas changed management in October... they are trying to archive their old comments. Dinner just hit the table at the same time, so can you help them? His name is Daniel Choi, and is about to sign up. Users/JabberWokky

20101211 05:14:04 nbsp (Forgive the pre coffee ramble): I figure that when somebody politely asks what is allowed and reasonable, and has already read the Welcome to the Wiki/Business Owners and given it careful consideration, they deserve a bit of help.  He was concerned that there was some animosity toward apartment complexes on the wiki, and I told him that while there were a few that had very problematic issues on the wiki (deleting negative reviews, etc), there were also several who have used it to good effect (Tandemonium jumps to mind).  The problem cases sometimes tend to outshine (or maybe outglare) the majority that go smoothly, so I figured somebody trying to do it right deserved as much community attention as the people trying to be sneaky or demanding.  Thanks. Users/JabberWokky

20101211 08:46:11 nbsp Just saw the archiving you did for S/A/B Apartments. Thanks for the helping hand! Users/danielchoi

20101223 08:34:16 nbsp Since jw hasnt responded yet, check it out.  I got a couple of these. Users/BruceHansen

20101223 09:23:07 nbsp leave me a comment? :) Users/EdWins

20101223 11:26:47 nbsp I didnt see any bar at all.  Using Chrome, 9.0.597.19 beta.   Mind trying again? Users/EdWins

20101223 13:44:52 nbsp Maybe Im impatient, but at ~7 mins past, got nothing in IE9.   Users/EdWins

20101223 14:47:55 nbsp its way too much for me to read, but heres a link to the ENTIRE federal handbook on at grade RR crossings. If theres any info about it it should be there. http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/xings/com_roaduser/07010/index.htm Users/ARWENNHOLD

20101223 14:49:19 nbsp Fairly positive; its what the waitress who I usually see working the house told me.   Users/OliviaY

20101223 14:49:54 nbsp She was also the one who told me that the people who used to own Red Orchid do make the Hunan Tofu at Davis Noodle City and kindly told me I could go there for it. Users/OliviaY

20101226 20:43:06 nbsp And while were at it, thanks again for figuring out that confusion.  I reset it back to try to allow people to see how it worked before. Users/JabberWokky

20101229 08:35:35 nbsp John Lofland doesnt quite get the wiki, but hes a living wealth of knowledge about town and very dedicated to discovering and documenting the history of the town, so Im very hesitant to just write off an edit by him.  Hes done so few edits here (relative to his publications) that the ones he does do are notable by being items that have spurred him to edit.  In short  he did perform a poor edit, but it is very likely a reasoned edit given the source.  IMHO, of course, YMMV. Users/JabberWokky
  I hesitated to make the reversion for the reasons that you stated and thought about it awhile before I did it.  But it seemed like an important part of the entry, and I couldnt figure out why he deleted it, unless he thought that no one would make such a mistake or that it was simply confusion to call that area central Davis, or something along those lines (i.e., seeing the description solely from the point of view of someone who has been here a long time).  It is possible, though, that he had a more principled reason.  Can I prevail upon you to ask him about it?  I think he might be more receptive to replying to you.  cp

20101230 13:22:43 nbsp Yeah, thats what I was hinting at.  Getting suspended isnt something that can be blown over, and has to be pretty rare Id imagine. I liked JWs analogy of restaurants: they may get dinged here and there on little things, but if they actually are forced to close their doors, even temporarily, then it must be pretty serious.   Users/EdWins

20101230 15:17:26 nbsp The word admitted was more than ambiguous.  I would call it misleading in that context.  Thank you for the catch. Users/JabberWokky

20101230 16:05:56 nbsp I read through it thinking there would be some kind of explanation.  Death in the family, incompetent assistant... something to explain the lapse that caused a family to lose their home.  It seems to be a major mistake with serious ramifications.   Users/JabberWokky
  and he earns a one month suspension...  Just shameful.  Users/WesP
   Dont forget two years probation, plus ethics classes.  Presumably, if there were mitigating circumstances, theyd be mentioned in that document, as there is a place for them.  Maybe he was just shy and didnt want to say.  cp

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