inputs.text: bad product - products zen quite good zen stones great still mine nearly 4 years ago still works great use daily first ever zen touch 7 years ago great well took repeated beatings even water adventure drying dash car week thing booted started worked fine finally broke thing alot abuse great player end scratching head wondering would quite went completely way see much little thing could take bought zen touch 8gb picture capability back big deal pictures mp3 player ha ha ha ha thing died month no abuse whatsoever figuring fluke decided buy 30gb player thing messed get go thing would boot crash bs million times no rhyme reason thing died completely mean completely couldnt get anything complete brick thinking going zen product stay away non solid state hard drives really total waste money options creative extend get crap product frustrating joy paying 100 bucks essentially paper weight id say shame creative case second time dooped style player known better