user21800: I have heard about this before from a video teaching I watched before but I honestly cannot remember from who or where.
The idea of the concept is that as one progresses upon the stages towards arhant Dukkha does not actually decrease and in fact can be seen or seems to increase.
for eg a puttajanna is not concerned about death or freedom from the cycle of existence on a day to day bases where a Sotapanna is consistently concerned about these things that in fact a Sotapanna suffers more because of their more ultimate concerns, where I guess a putajanna is in a sort of blissful ignorance.
Any direct from the Buddha or third party teachings on this concept would be welcome.

user14789: The whole point of being a Sotapanna and higher stages is to know the dharma, and that there is an end to suffering and know that things will go well for them. It's impossible to have suffering increasing, especially by simple perceptions.
It is actually the non-enlightened people who freak out when they hear the dharma
https://suttacentral.net/an4.33/en/bodhi
The only framework where terror arises is the made up 16 knowledges which are not found in the sutras. like ruben explained https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/a/47543/14789
The fears sotapanna and so on have is to make moral mistake, ie breaking the precepts and so on.

Then Anathapindika the householder went to the Blessed One and, on
arrival, having bowed down to the Blessed One, sat to one side. As he
was sitting there, the Blessed One said to him, "When, for a disciple
of the noble ones, five forms of fear & animosity are stilled; when he
is endowed with the four factors of stream entry; and when, through
discernment, he has rightly seen & rightly ferreted out the noble
method, then if he wants he may state about himself: 'Hell is ended;
animal wombs are ended; the state of the hungry ghosts is ended;
states of deprivation, destitution, the bad bourns are ended! I am a
stream-winner, steadfast, never again destined for states of woe,
headed for self-awakening!'
"Now, which five forms of danger & animosity are stilled?
"When a person takes life, then with the taking of life as a requisite
condition, he produces fear & animosity in the here & now, produces
fear & animosity in future lives, experiences mental concomitants of
pain & despair; but when he refrains from taking life, he neither
produces fear & animosity in the here & now nor does he produce fear &
animosity in future lives, nor does he experience mental concomitants
of pain & despair: for one who refrains from taking life, that fear &
animosity is thus stilled.
"When a person steals... engages in illicit sex... tells lies...
"When a person drinks distilled & fermented drinks that cause
heedlessness, then with the drinking of distilled & fermented drinks
that cause heedlessness as a requisite condition, he produces fear &
animosity in the here & now, produces fear & animosity in future
lives, experiences mental concomitants of pain & despair; but when he
refrains from drinking distilled & fermented drinks that cause
heedlessness, he neither produces fear & animosity in the here & now
nor does he produce fear & animosity in future lives, nor does he
experience mental concomitants of pain & despair: for one who refrains
from drinking distilled & fermented drinks that cause heedlessness,
that fear & animosity is thus stilled.
"These are the five forms of fear & animosity that are stilled."
— AN 10.92


21800: <p>I have heard about this before from a video teaching I watched before but I honestly cannot remember from who or where.</p>
<p>The idea of the concept is that as one progresses upon the stages towards arhant Dukkha does not actually decrease and in fact can be seen or seems to increase.
for eg a puttajanna is not concerned about death or freedom from the cycle of existence on a day to day bases where a Sotapanna is consistently concerned about these things that in fact a Sotapanna suffers more because of their more ultimate concerns, where I guess a putajanna is in a sort of blissful ignorance.</p>
<p>Any direct from the Buddha or third party teachings on this concept would be welcome.</p>
 14789: <p>The whole point of being a Sotapanna and higher stages is to know the dharma, and that there is an end to suffering and know that things will go well for them. It's impossible to have suffering increasing, especially by simple perceptions.
It is actually the non-enlightened people who freak out when they hear the dharma
<a href="https://suttacentral.net/an4.33/en/bodhi" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://suttacentral.net/an4.33/en/bodhi</a></p>
<p>The only framework where terror arises is the made up 16 knowledges which are not found in the sutras. like ruben explained <a href="https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/a/47543/14789">https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/a/47543/14789</a></p>
<p>The fears sotapanna and so on have is to make moral mistake, ie breaking the precepts and so on.</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Then Anathapindika the householder went to the Blessed One and, on
arrival, having bowed down to the Blessed One, sat to one side. As he
was sitting there, the Blessed One said to him, &quot;When, for a disciple
of the noble ones, five forms of fear &amp; animosity are stilled; when he
is endowed with the four factors of stream entry; and when, through
discernment, he has rightly seen &amp; rightly ferreted out the noble
method, then if he wants he may state about himself: 'Hell is ended;
animal wombs are ended; the state of the hungry ghosts is ended;
states of deprivation, destitution, the bad bourns are ended! I am a
stream-winner, steadfast, never again destined for states of woe,
headed for self-awakening!'</p>
<p>&quot;Now, which five forms of danger &amp; animosity are stilled?</p>
<p>&quot;When a person takes life, then with the taking of life as a requisite
condition, he produces fear &amp; animosity in the here &amp; now, produces
fear &amp; animosity in future lives, experiences mental concomitants of
pain &amp; despair; but when he refrains from taking life, he neither
produces fear &amp; animosity in the here &amp; now nor does he produce fear &amp;
animosity in future lives, nor does he experience mental concomitants
of pain &amp; despair: for one who refrains from taking life, that fear &amp;
animosity is thus stilled.</p>
<p>&quot;When a person steals... engages in illicit sex... tells lies...</p>
<p>&quot;When a person drinks distilled &amp; fermented drinks that cause
heedlessness, then with the drinking of distilled &amp; fermented drinks
that cause heedlessness as a requisite condition, he produces fear &amp;
animosity in the here &amp; now, produces fear &amp; animosity in future
lives, experiences mental concomitants of pain &amp; despair; but when he
refrains from drinking distilled &amp; fermented drinks that cause
heedlessness, he neither produces fear &amp; animosity in the here &amp; now
nor does he produce fear &amp; animosity in future lives, nor does he
experience mental concomitants of pain &amp; despair: for one who refrains
from drinking distilled &amp; fermented drinks that cause heedlessness,
that fear &amp; animosity is thus stilled.</p>
<p>&quot;These are the five forms of fear &amp; animosity that are stilled.&quot;</p>
<p>— AN 10.92</p>
</blockquote>
