user479: Many people believed certain Paritta/Sutta have certain magical power, for example Bojjhanga Sutta for curing illness and Om Mani Padme Hum having a great (even greatest) magical power among other Mantra (i refer Mantra to Mahayana tradition and Paritta to Theravada tradition).
What do you think about this?
Does the Buddha has spoken by Himself - that His follower can re-chant his words (Sutta/Mantra) to gain specific magical power? If He has, please kindly tell me what Sutta is it,
Note : Please dont be offensed, i love listening to Sutta, but im curious about this one.

user254: Many people believed certain Paritta/Sutta have certain magical power, for example Bojjhanga Sutta for curing illness
I think that if you tell a sutta like the Gilana Sutta to someone whose body is very ill, that can help them, especially when ('right speech') they want to, when they are ready to hear the dhamma from you (which we can assume Kassapa wanted to, was ready to hear from the Buddha):

"Well Kassapa, how is it with you? Are you bearing up, are you
enduring (your suffering)? Do your pains decrease or increase? Are
there signs of your pains decreasing and not of increasing?"
"No, Ven. Sir, I am not bearing up, I am not enduring, the pain is
very great. There is a sign not of pains decreasing but of their
increasing."
"Kassapa, these seven factors of enlightenment are well expounded by
me and are cultivated and fully developed by me. They conduce to
perfect understanding, to full realization (of the four Noble Truths)
and to Nibbana.  What are the seven?
i. "Mindfulness, the factor of enlightenment, Kassapa, is well expounded by me, and is cultivated and fully developed by me. It conduces to perfect understanding, to full realization and to Nibbana.
ii. "Investigation of the Dhamma, the factor of enlightenment, Kassapa, is (etc.)

Perhaps this can help them to feel better, to "bear up", to endure.
It might even (temporarily) help to cure their illness. Or it might not. I don't think we should expect it to cure their physical illness for ever: because, "all compound things are subject to decay."
The purpose of Buddhism is to help people even though, even when there is illness, there is death.
What do you think about this?
I this that it is possible for a person who is living and who is dying to understand, to realize, to cultivate the seven factors of enlightenment: to be mindful, to investigate the Dhamma, to persevere, etc.
I even think that can have a 'magical' effect on people: i.e. when they live and when they die they might feel equanimity and kindness and so on, instead of feeling anger and suffering and ignorance and so on.
But the reason why it happens isn't 'magic' it happens for a reason: the reason why it happens is right view, right intention, etc.

Unfortunately, the belief that a ritual has a magical power might be a "fetter", if I've understood that right. See for example Three fetters; or this description of Five lower fet­ters which includes,

Sīlabbata-parāmāsa: attach­ment to moral pre­cepts and reli­gious prac­tices. Attach­ment to form and cer­e­mony. The mis­taken under­stand­ing that one will be puri­fied and lib­er­ated merely by the act of keep­ing moral pre­cepts, rules, tra­di­tions, and prac­tices. The belief that these rules and prac­tices are sacred in them­selves. One fol­lows them with the desire for reward or acqui­si­tion. Miss­ing the true pur­pose of moral pre­cepts and reli­gious obser­vances, one ends up astray or in an extreme form of prac­tice (say of prac­tis­ing extreme asceti­cism—tapa), not on the Noble Path.

Fortunately however; although death is real and suffering exists; even so the dhamma, hearing the dhamma and reciting the dhamma can be helpful, can help to liberate people from suffering.

user-1: Mantrayoga follows logically from the general doctrine of karma and the inclusion of mind as a "sixth sense," both of which are fundamental to the Pali Canon and all Buddhist schools except perhaps for ultra-neo-Theravadin rationalists who want to expunge everything Indian from the Pali Canon, although the Buddha was an Indian. 
The latter is generally associated with Sri Lanka.  Every cause has an effect, every effect is the result of a cause, mind is real. The theory of mantra (or mantrayoga, a synonym for Tantra) is universal and is even found in the "barbarian dharma." All ancient peoples attributed a powerful significance to speech, since it is through speech that the world of differentiated objects is articulated. Curiously, one finds this doctrine also in quantum physics ("the act of observation").
It is simply stupid to demand that Buddhism or any other theosophy conform to the modern secular religion of scientism, and it is naive to believe that we know everything about the world simply because we have created powerful mathematical models of the parts of the world that we want to control. In fact, there are many aspects of life and consciousness that we simply don't understand in those terms.
It is perhaps significant that science itself is moving away from the mechanist, materialist paradigm. In any case, it is best to keep an open mind. Mantrayoga involves many different aspects - the sounds themselves, the meaning of the words, the effect of the words on the mind and the brain, the conviction of that mind in the significance of the sounds and meanings, and the intention of the mind. Whether you choose to call this "magical" or not is really a matter of semantics.

user7141: Lord Buddha has advised his follower to use suttas.Because suttas are nothing but the word of lord Buddha.
But there are some suttas that has more uses for someone who chants them.
For example suttas like

Karaniya meththa sutta
Atanataya sutta*


Karaniya meththa sutta
This sutta contains teachings and advises that are completely equal to what Buddhists practice in "Meththa meditation" so when chanting it essentially becomes the meththa meditation.So this is the power of it that brings security to the practitioner.This was a sutta adviced by Lord Buddha to be practiced by all beings.
Buddhism does not believe in magic.We only believe in completely logical things.
Atanataya sutta
This sutta on the other hand had a different beginning,
One day the 4 God kings visited lord Buddha with their armies and said this.
"We see  that good ones who practice Great Lord Buddha's teachings have no protection from evil beings so we thought we should provide them with some protection.Great Lord Buddha please accept this and teach your good followers"
So they said the Atanataya sutta for the first time and Lord Buddha listened to it and accepted it.It was then taught to monks for protection.
This sutta contains two parts.

Prasing the Lord Buddhas who were present in this era
Mentioning the punishments for evil beings if they do any harm to a
Buddhist.*

First part
These are genuine praisings for the Great Lord Buddhas who existed in this era (Kalpa) and advises for intelligent beings to become followers of Buddhism.
Second part
As all these evil beings are under the command of the 4 god kings these are actually orders from their kings to not to harm Buddhists,and the warnings of possible punishments if they go against the orders.

I can give you many examples and they all end with a perfectly logical meaning.So the truth is chanting does not bring magic.
Learn suttas with meanings - Click and learn
Try learning about the meaning of suttas then you will see that they are not magic.And it is the right way to use suttas, because reciting with meaning can bring you to better understanding and it gains you very good and powerful karma.

user295: According to What the Bleep Do We Know!?, when you chant on water and look at it under an electronic microscope, there are visible structural patterns which emerge in the water atoms. This does not go to the extent of trying to deduce if this is beneficial but positive vibes created in chanting may have beneficial effects. This is mentioned in the canonical texts also.
Having said that, the greatest benefit is when you understand, memorize and put what is said into practice. This is by far greater.

user289: If it works for you, it works for you. The siddhis and mantras, sutra recitations as magic are outside of science (or more to the point, there is no support for magic from science-- and if there was, then it wouldn't be magic anymore, it would be a new branch of science).
All that said, the siddhis are most convincing when the effect of the "magic" is something that happens in the confines of your own head. If you say a mantra to magically make yourself brave, and it works for you, that actually sounds quite plausible.

user2282: In AN 4.67, the Buddha allowed the monks to use the paritta to protect themselves from harm. Notice Ven. Thanissaro's note:

"This is one of the few protective charms mentioned in the Pali canon and specifically allowed by the Buddha for monks to use (another charm, also allowed to the monks, is contained in DN 32). Note that the power of the charm is said to come, not from the words, but from the mind of good will with which they are said. It thus differs from charms taught in later forms of Buddhism, where the words themselves are said to contain power."


479: <p>Many people believed certain <code>Paritta</code>/<code>Sutta</code> have certain magical power, for example <code>Bojjhanga Sutta</code> for curing illness and <code>Om Mani Padme Hum</code> having a great (even greatest) magical power among other <code>Mantra</code> (i refer <code>Mantra</code> to <code>Mahayana</code> tradition and <code>Paritta</code> to <code>Theravada</code> tradition).</p>

<p>What do you think about this?</p>

<p>Does the Buddha has spoken <strong>by Himself</strong> - that His follower can re-chant his words (<code>Sutta</code>/<code>Mantra</code>) to gain specific magical power? If He has, please kindly tell me what <code>Sutta</code> is it,</p>

<p>Note : Please dont be offensed, i love listening to <code>Sutta</code>, but im curious about this one.</p>
 254: <p><em><strong>Many people believed certain Paritta/Sutta have certain magical power, for example Bojjhanga Sutta for curing illness</strong></em></p>
<p>I think that if you tell a sutta like the <a href="http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn46/sn46.014.piya.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Gilana Sutta</a> to someone whose body is very ill, that can help them, especially when ('right speech') they want to, when they are ready to hear the dhamma from you (which we can assume Kassapa wanted to, was ready to hear from the Buddha):</p>
<blockquote>
<p>&quot;Well Kassapa, how is it with you? Are you bearing up, are you
enduring (your suffering)? Do your pains decrease or increase? Are
there signs of your pains decreasing and not of increasing?&quot;</p>
<p>&quot;No, Ven. Sir, I am not bearing up, I am not enduring, the pain is
very great. There is a sign not of pains decreasing but of their
increasing.&quot;</p>
<p>&quot;Kassapa, these seven factors of enlightenment are well expounded by
me and are cultivated and fully developed by me. They conduce to
perfect understanding, to full realization (of the four Noble Truths)
and to Nibbana.  What are the seven?</p>
<p>i. &quot;Mindfulness, the factor of enlightenment, Kassapa, is well expounded by me, and is cultivated and fully developed by me. It conduces to perfect understanding, to full realization and to Nibbana.</p>
<p>ii. &quot;Investigation of the Dhamma, the factor of enlightenment, Kassapa, is (etc.)</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Perhaps this can help them to feel better, to &quot;bear up&quot;, to endure.</p>
<p>It might even (temporarily) help to cure their illness. Or it might not. I don't think we should expect it to cure their physical illness for ever: because, &quot;all compound things are subject to decay.&quot;</p>
<p>The purpose of Buddhism is to help people even though, even when there is illness, there is death.</p>
<p><em><strong>What do you think about this?</strong></em></p>
<p>I this that it is possible for a person who is living and who is dying to understand, to realize, to cultivate the seven factors of enlightenment: to be mindful, to investigate the Dhamma, to persevere, etc.</p>
<p>I even think that can have a 'magical' effect on people: i.e. when they live and when they die they might feel equanimity and kindness and so on, instead of feeling anger and suffering and ignorance and so on.</p>
<p>But the reason why it happens isn't 'magic' it happens for a reason: the reason why it happens is right view, right intention, etc.</p>
<hr />
<p>Unfortunately, the belief that a ritual has a magical power might be a &quot;fetter&quot;, if I've understood that right. See for example <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetter_(Buddhism)#Three_fetters" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Three fetters</a>; or this description of <a href="http://www.buddhistteachings.org/eight-noble-beings" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Five lower fet­ters</a> which includes,</p>
<blockquote>
<p><em>Sīlabbata-parāmāsa</em>: attach­ment to moral pre­cepts and reli­gious prac­tices. Attach­ment to form and cer­e­mony. The mis­taken under­stand­ing that one will be puri­fied and lib­er­ated merely by the act of keep­ing moral pre­cepts, rules, tra­di­tions, and prac­tices. The belief that these rules and prac­tices are sacred in them­selves. One fol­lows them with the desire for reward or acqui­si­tion. Miss­ing the true pur­pose of moral pre­cepts and reli­gious obser­vances, one ends up astray or in an extreme form of prac­tice (say of prac­tis­ing extreme asceti­cism—tapa), not on the Noble Path.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Fortunately however; although death is real and suffering exists; even so the dhamma, hearing the dhamma and reciting the dhamma can be helpful, can help to liberate people from suffering.</p>
 -1: <p>Mantrayoga follows logically from the general doctrine of karma and the inclusion of mind as a "sixth sense," both of which are fundamental to the Pali Canon and all Buddhist schools except perhaps for ultra-neo-Theravadin rationalists who want to expunge everything Indian from the Pali Canon, although the Buddha was an Indian. </p>

<p>The latter is generally associated with Sri Lanka.  Every cause has an effect, every effect is the result of a cause, mind is real. The theory of mantra (or mantrayoga, a synonym for Tantra) is universal and is even found in the "barbarian dharma." All ancient peoples attributed a powerful significance to speech, since it is through speech that the world of differentiated objects is articulated. Curiously, one finds this doctrine also in quantum physics ("the act of observation").</p>

<p>It is simply stupid to demand that Buddhism or any other theosophy conform to the modern secular religion of scientism, and it is naive to believe that we know everything about the world simply because we have created powerful mathematical models of the parts of the world that we want to control. In fact, there are many aspects of life and consciousness that we simply don't understand in those terms.</p>

<p>It is perhaps significant that science itself is moving away from the mechanist, materialist paradigm. In any case, it is best to keep an open mind. Mantrayoga involves many different aspects - the sounds themselves, the meaning of the words, the effect of the words on the mind and the brain, the conviction of that mind in the significance of the sounds and meanings, and the intention of the mind. Whether you choose to call this "magical" or not is really a matter of semantics.</p>
 7141: <p>Lord Buddha has advised his follower to use suttas.Because suttas are nothing but the word of lord Buddha.</p>

<p>But there are some suttas that has more uses for someone who chants them.
For example suttas like</p>

<ul>
<li><p>Karaniya meththa sutta</p></li>
<li><p>Atanataya sutta*</p></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<p><strong>Karaniya meththa sutta</strong></p>

<p>This sutta contains teachings and advises that are completely equal to what Buddhists practice in "Meththa meditation" so when chanting it essentially becomes the meththa meditation.So this is the power of it that brings security to the practitioner.This was a sutta adviced by Lord Buddha to be practiced by all beings.</p>

<p><strong><em>Buddhism does not believe in magic.We only believe in completely logical things.</em></strong></p>

<p><strong>Atanataya sutta</strong></p>

<p>This sutta on the other hand had a different beginning,</p>

<p>One day the 4 God kings visited lord Buddha with their armies and said this.</p>

<p><em>"We see  that good ones who practice Great Lord Buddha's teachings have no protection from evil beings so we thought we should provide them with some protection.Great Lord Buddha please accept this and teach your good followers"</em></p>

<p>So they said the Atanataya sutta for the first time and Lord Buddha listened to it and accepted it.It was then taught to monks for protection.</p>

<p><strong>This sutta contains two parts</strong>.</p>

<ul>
<li>Prasing the Lord Buddhas who were present in this era</li>
<li>Mentioning the punishments for evil beings if they do any harm to a
Buddhist.*</li>
</ul>

<p><strong>First part</strong>
These are genuine praisings for the Great Lord Buddhas who existed in this era (Kalpa) and advises for intelligent beings to become followers of Buddhism.</p>

<p><strong>Second part</strong></p>

<p>As all these evil beings are under the command of the 4 god kings these are actually orders from their kings to not to harm Buddhists,and the warnings of possible punishments if they go against the orders.</p>

<hr>

<p>I can give you many examples and they all end with a perfectly logical meaning.So the truth is chanting does not bring magic.</p>

<p><strong><a href="http://mahamevnawa.lk/inenglish/dhamma-talks/" rel="nofollow">Learn suttas with meanings - Click and learn</a></strong></p>

<p><em>Try learning about the meaning of suttas then you will see that they are not magic.And it is the right way to use suttas, because reciting with meaning can bring you to better understanding and it gains you very good and powerful karma.</em></p>
 295: <p>According to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_the_Bleep_Do_We_Know!%3F" rel="nofollow">What the Bleep Do We Know!?</a>, when you chant on water and look at it under an electronic microscope, there are visible structural patterns which emerge in the water atoms. This does not go to the extent of trying to deduce if this is beneficial but positive vibes created in chanting may have beneficial effects. This is mentioned in the canonical texts also.</p>

<p>Having said that, the greatest benefit is when you understand, memorize and put what is said into practice. This is by far greater.</p>
 289: <p>If it works for you, it works for you. The siddhis and mantras, sutra recitations as magic are outside of science (or more to the point, there is no support for magic from science-- and if there was, then it wouldn't be magic anymore, it would be a new branch of science).</p>

<p>All that said, the siddhis are most convincing when the effect of the "magic" is something that happens in the confines of your own head. If you say a mantra to magically make yourself brave, and it works for you, that actually sounds quite plausible.</p>
 2282: <p>In <a href="http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an04/an04.067.than.html">AN 4.67</a>, the Buddha allowed the monks to use the paritta to protect themselves from harm. Notice Ven. Thanissaro's note:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>"This is one of the few protective charms mentioned in the Pali canon and specifically allowed by the Buddha for monks to use (another charm, also allowed to the monks, is contained in <a href="http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/dn/dn.32.0.piya.html">DN 32</a>). Note that the power of the charm is said to come, not from the words, but from the mind of good will with which they are said. It thus differs from charms taught in later forms of Buddhism, where the words themselves are said to contain power."</p>
</blockquote>
