user19228: Please provide suttas
I plan to do a meditation until I can achieve the same experience as my deep sleep but I don't know whether it's the first jhana or even cessation of feeling and perception or even nibbana hence my question
After that kind of meditation I won't sleep forever because I think that meditation is enough that meditation itself is deep sleep
I am inspired by dipa ma who did meditation for 2 days non stop and buddha Siddhartha(7 weeks non stop)
I think my meditation should be more sublime than my deep sleep if it's not then it's a shame it just doesn't make sense that my deep sleep gives me more peace than my meditation
Because bhikku thanissaro states that even during 4 rupa jhanas you can still hear sound while during my deep sleep I can't hear any sound I assume the deep sleep experience can be attained after the 4th jhana but I am not sure which
I think it's not cessation of feeling stage either because during cessation your upper brain won't function (flat zero brainwave) while deep sleep still gives you delta brainwave but I am not sure
Thanks 
May you all be happy my friends,
Sorry for my bad english I am still learning friends

user471: Jhana is meditation, not sleep (including deep sleep).
Sleep (including deep sleep) is not jhana.
In meditation (including jhana states), one is conscious and aware.
In sleep (including deep sleep), one is not conscious and not aware.
If you're not conscious and not aware, then you're not in meditation.

user13709: Then connection between sleeping and meditation is well explored in AN7.61. In this sutta, the Buddha advises Venerable Moggallāna on ways to avoid drowsiness, since drowsiness is hard to give up.

AN7.61:2.1: “Are you nodding off, Moggallāna? Are you nodding off?”
AN7.61:2.2: “Yes, sir.”
AN7.61:2.3: “So, Moggallāna, don’t focus on or cultivate the perception that you were meditating on when you fell drowsy. It’s possible that you’ll give up drowsiness in this way.

When you sleep, just sleep. When you meditate, just meditate.
NOTE: Deep meditation can reduce the need for sleep.

user11241: I've got a simple answer for you: Sleep is not a jhāna. The Buddha never says, not in Pāli not in Chinese not in Sanskrit, that sleep is a jhāna. Sleep is also not nibbāna. Sleep is also not nirodha. You just forget your dreams when you wake up and it seems like you were up to "nothing," but your mind was quite active despite you not remembering it.

19228: <p>Please provide suttas</p>
<p>I plan to do a meditation until I can achieve the same experience as my deep sleep but I don't know whether it's the first jhana or even cessation of feeling and perception or even nibbana hence my question</p>
<p>After that kind of meditation I won't sleep forever because I think that meditation is enough that meditation itself is deep sleep</p>
<p>I am inspired by dipa ma who did meditation for 2 days non stop and buddha Siddhartha(7 weeks non stop)</p>
<p>I think my meditation should be more sublime than my deep sleep if it's not then it's a shame it just doesn't make sense that my deep sleep gives me more peace than my meditation</p>
<p>Because bhikku thanissaro states that even during 4 rupa jhanas you can still hear sound while during my deep sleep I can't hear any sound I assume the deep sleep experience can be attained after the 4th jhana but I am not sure which</p>
<p>I think it's not cessation of feeling stage either because during cessation your upper brain won't function (flat zero brainwave) while deep sleep still gives you delta brainwave but I am not sure</p>
<p>Thanks 
May you all be happy my friends,
Sorry for my bad english I am still learning friends</p>
 471: <p>Jhana is meditation, not sleep (including deep sleep).</p>
<p>Sleep (including deep sleep) is not jhana.</p>
<p>In meditation (including jhana states), one is conscious and aware.</p>
<p>In sleep (including deep sleep), one is not conscious and not aware.</p>
<p>If you're not conscious and not aware, then you're not in meditation.</p>
 13709: <p>Then connection between sleeping and meditation is well explored in AN7.61. In this sutta, the Buddha advises Venerable Moggallāna on ways to avoid drowsiness, since drowsiness is hard to give up.</p>
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<p><a href="https://suttacentral.net/an7.61/en/sujato#an7.61:2.1" rel="nofollow noreferrer">AN7.61:2.1</a>: “Are you nodding off, Moggallāna? Are you nodding off?”<br />
<a href="https://suttacentral.net/an7.61/en/sujato#an7.61:2.2" rel="nofollow noreferrer">AN7.61:2.2</a>: “Yes, sir.”<br />
<a href="https://suttacentral.net/an7.61/en/sujato#an7.61:2.3" rel="nofollow noreferrer">AN7.61:2.3</a>: “So, Moggallāna, don’t focus on or cultivate the perception that you were meditating on when you fell drowsy. It’s possible that you’ll give up drowsiness in this way.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>When you sleep, just sleep. When you meditate, just meditate.</p>
<p>NOTE: Deep meditation can reduce the need for sleep.</p>
 11241: <p>I've got a simple answer for you: Sleep is not a jhāna. The Buddha never says, not in Pāli not in Chinese not in Sanskrit, that sleep is a jhāna. Sleep is also not nibbāna. Sleep is also not nirodha. You just forget your dreams when you wake up and it seems like you were up to &quot;nothing,&quot; but your mind was quite active despite you not remembering it.</p>
