user21208: Every cita has an Object associated with it. when we meditate on breath then the object of attention is breath.. and after some time suddenly  a past memory image pops up..
can one explain in terms of abhidhamma mind-moment model.. How the object of attention changed. and compare it with  new, medium and adapt practitioners perspective.

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There are 3 answers and yet there is no answer. I myself did some more research and concluded as following.
I think abhidhamma, or buddhism as such has no explanation for attention Shift from one object to another. As each mind moment has object which can be different from previous and each mind moment has cetasika called manaskāra.
I never understand what kind of  cetasika it is.

Is it yes / No to current object.
Is it intensity of attention like  0% to 100 %.
Is it pointer to object of attention. It could be
current object or another object altogether.

However Patanjali yoga sutra has more clear answer  to this. they  attribute it to unconscious activity. and called that 'manasa'. 'Manasa' is organ of body which travels to any location of body. and then only objects of that part are thrown to consciousness. It filters  the data of all sense door... This is quite close to modern neuroscience too as hypothalamus in brain. This manasa can be instructed to change its filters .
I am giving a link to a PDf document which compares buddhism and patanjali yogasutra  only around this question .. Its too good.
[Contrasting_Nyaya_Vaiseika_and_Buddhist.pdf]1

user10100: Abhidhamma is the object of AdhipannaSikkha which are meditated as 8 knowledge, 8 Vijja (see DN10 SubhaSutta and Abhi. commentary), so it's impossible to explain Abhidhamma to new or medium practitioner without mistake. It's for people who has little defilements because they are ready to see the smallest and quickest elements' arising and vanishing without bias.
So, for me this question is like "please explain Theory of Relativity to me in simple term and short".
Whatever... just try.
Mind and mental elements are the quickest arising and vanishing, more than trillion times per second.
Physical body are 17 times slower than mind and mental elements.
17 mind and mental elements vanished is equal to 1 physical body vanished.
So, nothing is changed because mind is quickest so it has only one chance to take only one object before vanished immediately. Every mind never change it's object, one object only.
It's like this through all trillion times per second of mind arising and vanishing.
Then...
Each mind has difference origins from other minds, even the same type of minds. The difference origins are the specifier of their effected mind.

when we meditate on breath then the object of attention is breath.. and after some time suddenly a past memory image pops up.

In  trillion times of minds are arising and vanishing  per second...

The originated-by-Karma-mind  are knowing past-life's dead moment's object. This object appeared to mind because of Karma.

Some karma-doing mind are knowing breath. Breath appeared to mind because of the past attention originating this karma-doing mind moment as the habitual condition (Pakatupanissaya Paccaya) which means recurrent habit. The practitioner has done breath meditation past lives.

but some are knowing past memory image. Memory image appeared to mind because of the past attention originating this karma-doing mind moment as the habitual condition (Pakatupanissaya Paccaya) which means recurrent habit. The practitioner has not strong enough current breath meditation, so other conditions originate other effects, other mind, to arise and know memory image  instead of knowing breath mind.


It's really deep more than that actually. That's why we need to meditate Jhana in advance before meditate the insight meditation.

I don't think there is one understand what I've written however I confirm that what I have written are understandable but the listener need to meditate Jhana in mastery level first.

21208: <p>Every cita has an Object associated with it. when we meditate on breath then the object of attention is breath.. and after some time suddenly  a past memory image pops up..
can one explain in terms of abhidhamma mind-moment model.. How the object of attention changed. and compare it with  new, medium and adapt practitioners perspective.</p>
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<p><strong>EDIT</strong></p>
<p>There are 3 answers and yet there is no answer. I myself did some more research and concluded as following.</p>
<p>I think abhidhamma, or buddhism as such has no explanation for attention Shift from one object to another. As each mind moment has object which can be different from previous and each mind moment has cetasika called manaskāra.
I never understand what kind of  cetasika it is.</p>
<ol>
<li>Is it yes / No to current object.</li>
<li>Is it intensity of attention like  0% to 100 %.</li>
<li>Is it pointer to object of attention. It could be
current object or another object altogether.</li>
</ol>
<p>However <strong>Patanjali yoga sutra has more clear answer</strong>  to this. they  attribute it to unconscious activity. and called that 'manasa'. 'Manasa' is organ of body which travels to any location of body. and then only objects of that part are thrown to consciousness. It filters  the data of all sense door... This is quite close to modern neuroscience too as hypothalamus in brain. This manasa can be instructed to change its filters .</p>
<p>I am giving a link to a <strong>PDf document which compares buddhism and patanjali yogasutra  only around this question</strong> .. Its too good.
[<a href="http://indianphilosophyblog.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/08/Attention_New.pdf" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Contrasting_Nyaya_Vaiseika_and_Buddhist.pdf</a>]<a href="http://indianphilosophyblog.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/08/Attention_New.pdf" rel="nofollow noreferrer">1</a></p>
 10100: <p>Abhidhamma is the object of AdhipannaSikkha which are meditated as 8 knowledge, 8 Vijja (see DN10 SubhaSutta and Abhi. commentary), so it's impossible to explain Abhidhamma to new or medium practitioner without mistake. It's for people who has little defilements because they are ready to see the smallest and quickest elements' arising and vanishing <strong>without bias</strong>.</p>
<p>So, for me this question is like &quot;please explain Theory of Relativity to me in simple term and short&quot;.</p>
<p>Whatever... just try.</p>
<p>Mind and mental elements are the <strong>quickest arising and vanishing</strong>, more than trillion times per second.</p>
<p>Physical body are 17 times slower than mind and mental elements.</p>
<p>17 mind and mental elements vanished is equal to 1 physical body vanished.</p>
<p>So, nothing is changed because mind is quickest so it has only one chance to take only one object before vanished immediately. <strong>Every mind never change it's object, one object only.</strong></p>
<p>It's like this through all trillion times per second of mind arising and vanishing.</p>
<p>Then...</p>
<p>Each mind has difference origins from other minds, even the same type of minds. <strong>The difference origins are the specifier of their effected mind.</strong></p>
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<p>when we meditate on breath then the object of attention is breath.. and after some time suddenly a past memory image pops up.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>In  trillion times of minds are arising and vanishing  per second...</p>
<ul>
<li><p>The originated-by-Karma-mind  are knowing past-life's dead moment's object. This object appeared to mind because of Karma.</p>
</li>
<li><p>Some karma-doing mind are knowing breath. Breath appeared to mind because of the past attention originating this karma-doing mind moment as the habitual condition (Pakatupanissaya Paccaya) which means recurrent habit. <strong>The practitioner has done breath meditation past lives.</strong></p>
</li>
<li><p>but some are knowing past memory image. Memory image appeared to mind because of the past attention originating this karma-doing mind moment as the habitual condition (Pakatupanissaya Paccaya) which means recurrent habit. <strong>The practitioner has not strong enough current breath meditation, so other conditions originate other effects, other mind, to arise and know memory image  instead of knowing breath mind.</strong></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>It's really deep more than that actually. That's why we need to meditate Jhana in advance before meditate the insight meditation.</p>
<hr />
<p>I don't think there is one understand what I've written however I confirm that what I have written are understandable but the listener need to meditate Jhana in mastery level first.</p>
