user17097: I am curious about the idea of calling sila (all precepts and vows) as ethics. When did this translation appeared? Or who interpreted sila as ethics or something similar to ethics? This is not to say that it is incorrect or comprehensive, but ethics as a western category of thought has been used as an auxiliary concept to understand sila. Which scholar/s did this?

user254: From the very little I know of history it was the Pali Text Society who made the earliest surviving translations into English and the earliest dictionary.
A copy of the PTS dictionary is online here -- https://dsal.uchicago.edu/dictionaries/pali/ -- though this seems to be the latest (2001) not the earliest (1874) version.
The dictionary's entry for sīla is here -- https://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/app/pali_query.py?page=713 -- "ethics" is a part of the definition but only a part.
I think that's normal:

That any word has no exact translation -- which is why people try to learn to understand the original word or language

That a translator tries the convey the sense of it by giving several 'related' English words.
Often the several words (in a dictionary definition) give a better or closer explanation than any one single-word translation, which is part of why a dictionary can be interesting. When translating a text the translator usually needs to choose single-word translation to make the result read like English -- so different translators might translate a text differently, etc.


I don't know "the western category of thought": I never studied it academically, so I can't comment on that. If instead you translated sīla as "virtue" or "moral conduct", I'd say those means approximately the same thing, to me they're near-synonyms.
The word exists in Sanskrit -- https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/shila -- I presume people began to translate that earlier than Pali, e.g. Thomas William Rhys Davids studied Sanskrit at a university in Germany, as a teenager.

17097: <p>I am curious about the idea of calling <em>sila</em> (all precepts and vows) as ethics. When did this translation appeared? Or who interpreted <em>sila</em> as ethics or something similar to ethics? This is not to say that it is incorrect or comprehensive, but ethics as a western category of thought has been used as an auxiliary concept to understand sila. Which scholar/s did this?</p>
 254: <p>From the very little I know of history it was the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pali_Text_Society" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Pali Text Society</a> who made the earliest surviving translations into English and the earliest dictionary.</p>
<p>A copy of the PTS dictionary is online here -- <a href="https://dsal.uchicago.edu/dictionaries/pali/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://dsal.uchicago.edu/dictionaries/pali/</a> -- though this seems to be the latest (2001) not the earliest (1874) version.</p>
<p>The dictionary's entry for <em>sīla</em> is here -- <a href="https://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/app/pali_query.py?page=713" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/app/pali_query.py?page=713</a> -- &quot;ethics&quot; is a part of the definition but only a part.</p>
<p>I think that's normal:</p>
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<li><p>That any word has no exact translation -- which is why people try to learn to understand the original word or language</p>
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<li><p>That a translator tries the convey the sense of it by giving several 'related' English words.</p>
<p>Often the several words (in a dictionary definition) give a better or closer explanation than any one single-word translation, which is part of why a dictionary can be interesting. When translating a text the translator usually needs to choose single-word translation to make the result read like English -- so different translators might translate a text differently, etc.</p>
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</ul>
<p>I don't know &quot;the western category of thought&quot;: I never studied it academically, so I can't comment on that. If instead you translated <em>sīla</em> as &quot;virtue&quot; or &quot;moral conduct&quot;, I'd say those means approximately the same thing, to me they're near-synonyms.</p>
<p>The word exists in Sanskrit -- <a href="https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/shila" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/shila</a> -- I presume people began to translate that earlier than Pali, e.g. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_William_Rhys_Davids" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Thomas William Rhys Davids</a> studied Sanskrit at a university in Germany, as a teenager.</p>
