user5000: Please answer these two questions:
1a. Suppose there is an ignorant person named X who is grasping to the aggregates as 'self' (let's call this just 'grasping'). Suppose X's material body is being destroyed by cancer. X is suffering very much because of grasping. For X the incoming termination of life is hell in the here & now because of grasping. For X termination of life is reality in the here & now because of grasping. Suppose X life will be terminated while X is grasping. My question is: in the described case of person X, will grasping stop after X's dead material body is put in the coffin and buried in the ground?
2a. Suppose there is an enlightened person named Z who is not grasping to the aggregates as 'self' (let's call this just 'grasping'). Suppose Z's material body is being destroyed by cancer. Z is not suffering because of freedom from grasping. For Z the incoming termination of life is liberating because of freedom from grasping. For Z termination of life does not exist in the here & now because of freedom from grasping. Suppose Z life will be terminated while Z is free from grasping. My question is: in the described case of person Z, will grasping re-arise after Z's dead material body is put in the coffin and buried in the ground?

user43: 1a. will grasping stop?
Grasping will not stop, grasping occurs.
2a. will grasping re-arise?
Grasping will not re-arise, grasping will not stop, grasping occurs.
There is no enlightened person, there is no ignorant person, there is just grasping, aka neurosis. This neurosis is what's passed from life to life. Once you learn to be free from neurosis, you learn to be free from termination of life, from "person" etc.

user254: The question is whether (in each case) grasping will stop or re-arise.
So far as I understand it:

Aggregates arise and cease
Aggregates may cease here (death) and re-arise there (birth)
Generally clinging-aggregates are dukkha (says the first noble truth)
View of 'self' (identity views) are dukkha (says the doctrine of anatta)

The above are (and remain) universal truths regardless of X and Z.
X and Z inherit their own kamma. One is and the other isn't ignorant of these truths, one does and the other doesn't suffer.

user11009: In case one, there is re-birth - hence he continues with grasping.
In the second case (for an Arahant), there is no rebirth.

5000: <p>Please answer these two questions:</p>

<p>1a. Suppose there is an <strong>ignorant</strong> person named X who is grasping to the aggregates as 'self' (let's call this just 'grasping'). Suppose X's material body is being destroyed by cancer. X is suffering very much because of grasping. For X the incoming termination of life is hell in the here &amp; now because of grasping. For X termination of life is reality in the here &amp; now because of grasping. Suppose X life will be terminated while X is grasping. My question is: in the described case of person X, will grasping stop after X's dead material body is put in the coffin and buried in the ground?</p>

<p>2a. Suppose there is an <strong>enlightened</strong> person named Z who is not grasping to the aggregates as 'self' (let's call this just 'grasping'). Suppose Z's material body is being destroyed by cancer. Z is not suffering because of freedom from grasping. For Z the incoming termination of life is liberating because of freedom from grasping. For Z termination of life does not exist in the here &amp; now because of freedom from grasping. Suppose Z life will be terminated while Z is free from grasping. My question is: in the described case of person Z, will grasping re-arise after Z's dead material body is put in the coffin and buried in the ground?</p>
 43: <p>1a. will grasping stop?</p>

<p>Grasping will not stop, grasping occurs.</p>

<p>2a. will grasping re-arise?</p>

<p>Grasping will not re-arise, grasping will not stop, grasping occurs.</p>

<p>There is no enlightened person, there is no ignorant person, there is just grasping, aka neurosis. This neurosis is what's passed from life to life. Once you learn to be free from neurosis, you learn to be free from termination of life, from "person" etc.</p>
 254: <p>The question is whether (in each case) grasping will stop or re-arise.</p>

<p>So far as I understand it:</p>

<ul>
<li>Aggregates arise and cease</li>
<li>Aggregates may cease here (death) and re-arise there (birth)</li>
<li>Generally clinging-aggregates are dukkha (says the first noble truth)</li>
<li>View of 'self' (identity views) are dukkha (says the doctrine of anatta)</li>
</ul>

<p>The above are (and remain) universal truths regardless of X and Z.</p>

<p>X and Z inherit their own kamma. One is and the other isn't ignorant of these truths, one does and the other doesn't suffer.</p>
 11009: <p>In case one, there is re-birth - hence he continues with grasping.
In the second case (for an Arahant), there is no rebirth.</p>
