user17219: If someone hires a person to kill another and the plot is discovered, both the hired killer and the one who hired him will be arrested and imprisoned.
Yet, somehow, if a monk eats food given by others, no negative kamma is created, even though the monk is aware of and complicit in the process of killing, i.e. he knows someone else had to do the killing of the plant or animal for his ultimate benefit, even if it wasn't explicitly killed for him.
Even worse, someone whose profession involves the daily killing of animals as is the case in a slaughterhouse, has to bear the mental consequences of this daily ritual as well as its kammic consequences.
Yet a monk can avoid all this simply by waiting for someone to put the dead animal in his bowl. The morality of this doesn't make sense.
I would think the only morally harmless situation would be for a monk to only eat an animal or plant that had already died naturally, either by scavenging for it or waiting for another to do so on his behalf.
Question:
Can a monk choose to eat only an animal or plant that had died naturally? This either by scavenging on his own or by waiting for others to offer this to him?

user21314: theyre not complicit in the negativity of murdering or trading of murdered animals because they are begging for any type of food.  it is only up to others to associate with murdering or trading of murdered animals.  if a monk notices a habit in others developing of associating with those things the monk may request they cease associating with those activities,  or else the monk always has the option of seeking alms somewhere else
in short no the monk is not complicit since ppl are free to function as they see fit.

user-1: I don't think theravada monks are allowed to pick up fruit fallen to the ground or catching it mid air let alone plucking it off lest there is a famine and in that circumstance he may pick fruit and take it to a family that has children and if offered some the food becomes allowable.
As to hinting at one food one wants. If a monk even in need of medicine needs a particular food and another monk secretly goes to request the medicine food to be prepared for alms round, if it becomes known to the recepient monk then the food is not allowable for him. This happened to Sariputta, Maha Moggalanna brought the food and Sariputta turned over the bowl.
Abandoned requisites like lodging and robes can be appropriated if they are perceived to be abandoned.

user-1: 
If someone hires a person to kill another and the plot is discovered, both the hired killer and the one who hired him will be arrested and imprisoned.

Hiring occurs before the event of taking life. Eating occurs later, i will try to explain why it matters.

Yet, somehow, if a monk eats food given by others, no negative kamma is created, even though the monk is aware of and complicit in the process of killing, i.e. he knows someone else had to do the killing of the plant or animal for his ultimate benefit, even if it wasn't explicitly killed for him.

Well in the sense that demand supposedly drives production then yes one could say that the producer's choice depends on the consumer choice.
However this is Economic Theory, it is not some law of nature. EG;
Suppose person A kills an animal and asks B to sell the meat. Person C buys the meat and A & B are killed by a stray cow before they do any more killing.
Here a real example that shows that economic theory is just a theory and is often inapplicable to real life situations and here proven false by contradiction because according to the theory of economics here we can say the consumer's choice effect was canceled by a cow's choice.
Of course it gets really absurd if one keeps drawing out the implications like animals themselves being responsible for killing because they choose not to kill people and etc
According to the early buddhist texts and theravadin commentary to Dhp, the only way to truly stop killing is to attain at least the Sotapanna stage. These do not kill and will not be taking an 8th birth.
If one is not Ariya then one can't really say that one will stop killing because one will die and appear as a different person with inclinations based on prior development. No one can speak for another and if not Ariya then one can eventually start killing again in course of development, gods come born again as pigs even.
Therefore a non-ariya has too weak of a resolve to claim to having stopped beyond the breakup of the body and if he holds pernicious views then hell or animal womb will be the destination even if one abstains from killing all his life.

user-1: The reason (and ethics) for this is found in the meditation practice regarding states of mind and their underlying intentions (cetana).
There's no unwholesome intentions present when accepting and eating meat unless one intentionally accepts and eats meat with the purpose of killing animals. I can't imagine any monk doing that.
When killing another living being there are incredible unwholesome states of mind and defilements present. The act of killing is therefore deeply unwholesome.
In Theravada Buddhism we care about one's state of mind first and foremost and accepting and eating meat is not unwholesome in any way meaning it requires no unwholesome states of mind to perform the actions.
That's why these 2 acts are differentiated like this based on ethics.
Hope this helps.

user471: This answer is based on the Theravada tradition.
Please read The Bhikkhus' Rules:
A Guide for Laypeople by Ven. Ariyesako, Bhikkhu Patimokkha by Ven. Thanissaro and DN 2 for details.
A bhikkhu is a fully ordained monk who is required to strictly follow the rules of the Vinaya. All rules come with exceptions.
A monk cannot scavenge for his own food or engage in agriculture or cook his own meals. A monk is not allowed to eat fruits with seeds that can germinate and tubers that can be planted again, unless it is made allowable (kappiya) to him by a layperson. A monk is not allowed to damage or destroy plant life, so agricultural activities like tillage is not possible for monks. DN 2 states that monks should not receive uncooked grains, raw meat, cattle, fields etc.
A monk has to get his food from alms obtained from lay people. This is because the Buddha didn't want monks to become disconnected from lay people. He wanted the monks to depend on lay persons for alms and the lay persons should depend on monks for teachings and guidance. This applies to forest-dwelling dhutanga practitioner monks too.
Furthermore, it is wrong livelihood for monks to engage in agriculture, as they are meant to spend most of their time in study, practice and teaching of Buddhism.
Monks cannot choose what alms food is given to them and they must accept whatever is given to them. They cannot be choosy or fussy. They can only ask for specific food if they are ill.
Monks however must reject meat that is seen, heard or suspected to be slaughtered specifically for them. They also cannot kill an animal, or order a specific animal to be killed.
Monks must also reject alcohol and recreational drugs.
Besides these, monks cannot impose preferences or restrictions on lay persons with respect to alms food.
Devadatta once requested the Buddha to make vegetarianism mandatory for monks but this was rejected by the Buddha. Vegetarianism is also not part of the optional stricter dhutanga rules.
Karma is based on intention in Buddhism. It's not a universal system of justice. A person who eats meat that was long dead before he encountered it, does not have the intention to kill or cause killing e.g. by ordering a butcher to kill a specific animal. Plants are not sentient beings and the first precept of not killing doesn't apply to plants. There are many questions on these in Buddhism SE.
If a person wants to create his own quasi-monastic rules (beyond the Five Precepts) in Theravada Buddhism, he could choose to become an anagarika.
In some cases, The Great Standards (method to create modern exceptions to ancient rules) can be used for regional adaptation. For e.g. monks who reside in Buddhist minority countries with not many lay Buddhists nearby, may need to prepare their own food from stored raw ingredients. This is only my speculation.

17219: <p>If someone hires a person to kill another and the plot is discovered, both the hired killer and the one who hired him will be arrested and imprisoned.</p>
<p>Yet, somehow, if a monk eats food given by others, no negative kamma is created, even though the monk is aware of and complicit in the process of killing, i.e. he knows someone else had to do the killing of the plant or animal for his ultimate benefit, even if it wasn't explicitly killed for him.</p>
<p>Even worse, someone whose profession involves the daily killing of animals as is the case in a slaughterhouse, has to bear the mental consequences of this daily ritual as well as its kammic consequences.</p>
<p>Yet a monk can avoid all this simply by waiting for someone to put the dead animal in his bowl. The morality of this doesn't make sense.</p>
<p>I would think the only morally harmless situation would be for a monk to only eat an animal or plant that had already died naturally, either by scavenging for it or waiting for another to do so on his behalf.</p>
<p>Question:<br />
Can a monk choose to eat only an animal or plant that had died naturally? This either by scavenging on his own or by waiting for others to offer this to him?</p>
 21314: <p>theyre not complicit in the negativity of murdering or trading of murdered animals because they are begging for any type of food.  it is only up to others to associate with murdering or trading of murdered animals.  if a monk notices a habit in others developing of associating with those things the monk may request they cease associating with those activities,  or else the monk always has the option of seeking alms somewhere else</p>
<p>in short no the monk is not complicit since ppl are free to function as they see fit.</p>
 -1: <p>I don't think theravada monks are allowed to pick up fruit fallen to the ground or catching it mid air let alone plucking it off lest there is a famine and in that circumstance he may pick fruit and take it to a family that has children and if offered some the food becomes allowable.</p>
<p>As to hinting at one food one wants. If a monk even in need of medicine needs a particular food and another monk secretly goes to request the medicine food to be prepared for alms round, if it becomes known to the recepient monk then the food is not allowable for him. This happened to Sariputta, Maha Moggalanna brought the food and Sariputta turned over the bowl.</p>
<p>Abandoned requisites like lodging and robes can be appropriated if they are perceived to be abandoned.</p>
 -1: <blockquote>
<p>If someone hires a person to kill another and the plot is discovered, both the hired killer and the one who hired him will be arrested and imprisoned.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Hiring occurs before the event of taking life. Eating occurs later, i will try to explain why it matters.</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Yet, somehow, if a monk eats food given by others, no negative kamma is created, even though the monk is aware of and complicit in the process of killing, i.e. he knows someone else had to do the killing of the plant or animal for his ultimate benefit, even if it wasn't explicitly killed for him.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Well in the sense that demand supposedly drives production then yes one could say that the producer's choice depends on the consumer choice.</p>
<p>However this is Economic Theory, it is not some law of nature. EG;
Suppose person A kills an animal and asks B to sell the meat. Person C buys the meat and A &amp; B are killed by a stray cow before they do any more killing.</p>
<p>Here a real example that shows that economic theory is just a theory and is often inapplicable to real life situations and here proven false by contradiction because according to the theory of economics here we can say the consumer's choice effect was canceled by a cow's choice.</p>
<p>Of course it gets really absurd if one keeps drawing out the implications like animals themselves being responsible for killing because they choose not to kill people and etc</p>
<p>According to the early buddhist texts and theravadin commentary to Dhp, the only way to truly stop killing is to attain at least the Sotapanna stage. These do not kill and will not be taking an 8th birth.</p>
<p>If one is not Ariya then one can't really say that one will stop killing because one will die and appear as a different person with inclinations based on prior development. No one can speak for another and if not Ariya then one can eventually start killing again in course of development, gods come born again as pigs even.</p>
<p>Therefore a non-ariya has too weak of a resolve to claim to having stopped beyond the breakup of the body and if he holds pernicious views then hell or animal womb will be the destination even if one abstains from killing all his life.</p>
 -1: <p>The reason (and ethics) for this is found in the meditation practice regarding states of mind and their underlying intentions (cetana).</p>
<p>There's no unwholesome intentions present when accepting and eating meat unless one intentionally accepts and eats meat with the purpose of killing animals. I can't imagine any monk doing that.</p>
<p>When killing another living being there are incredible unwholesome states of mind and defilements present. The act of killing is therefore deeply unwholesome.</p>
<p>In Theravada Buddhism we care about one's state of mind first and foremost and accepting and eating meat is not unwholesome in any way meaning it requires no unwholesome states of mind to perform the actions.</p>
<p>That's why these 2 acts are differentiated like this based on ethics.</p>
<p>Hope this helps.</p>
 471: <p>This answer is based on the Theravada tradition.</p>
<p>Please read <a href="https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/ariyesako/layguide.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">The Bhikkhus' Rules:
A Guide for Laypeople</a> by Ven. Ariyesako, <a href="https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/vin/sv/bhikkhu-pati.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Bhikkhu Patimokkha</a> by Ven. Thanissaro and <a href="https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/dn/dn.02.0.than.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">DN 2</a> for details.</p>
<p>A bhikkhu is a fully ordained monk who is required to strictly follow the rules of the Vinaya. All rules come with exceptions.</p>
<p>A monk cannot scavenge for his own food or engage in agriculture or cook his own meals. A monk is not allowed to eat fruits with seeds that can germinate and tubers that can be planted again, unless it is made allowable (<a href="https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/ariyesako/layguide.html#kappiya" rel="nofollow noreferrer">kappiya</a>) to him by a layperson. A monk is not allowed to <a href="https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/ariyesako/layguide.html#veggie" rel="nofollow noreferrer">damage or destroy plant life</a>, so agricultural activities like tillage is not possible for monks. <a href="https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/dn/dn.02.0.than.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">DN 2</a> states that monks should not receive uncooked grains, raw meat, cattle, fields etc.</p>
<p>A monk has to get his food from <a href="https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/ariyesako/layguide.html#alms" rel="nofollow noreferrer">alms</a> obtained from lay people. This is because the Buddha didn't want monks to become disconnected from lay people. He wanted the monks to depend on lay persons for alms and the lay persons should depend on monks for teachings and guidance. This applies to forest-dwelling <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhutanga" rel="nofollow noreferrer">dhutanga</a> practitioner monks too.</p>
<p>Furthermore, it is wrong livelihood for monks to engage in agriculture, as they are meant to spend most of their time in study, practice and teaching of Buddhism.</p>
<p>Monks cannot choose what alms food is given to them and they must accept whatever is given to them. They cannot be choosy or fussy. They can only ask for specific food if they are ill.</p>
<p>Monks however must reject meat that is seen, heard or suspected to be slaughtered specifically for them. They also cannot kill an animal, or order a specific animal to be killed.</p>
<p>Monks must also reject alcohol and recreational drugs.</p>
<p>Besides these, monks cannot impose preferences or restrictions on lay persons with respect to alms food.</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devadatta" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Devadatta</a> once requested the Buddha to make vegetarianism mandatory for monks but this was rejected by the Buddha. Vegetarianism is also not part of the optional stricter <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhutanga" rel="nofollow noreferrer">dhutanga</a> rules.</p>
<p>Karma is based on intention in Buddhism. It's not a universal system of justice. A person who eats meat that was long dead before he encountered it, does not have the intention to kill or cause killing e.g. by ordering a butcher to kill a specific animal. Plants are not sentient beings and the first precept of not killing doesn't apply to plants. There are many questions on these in Buddhism SE.</p>
<p>If a person wants to create his own quasi-monastic rules (beyond the Five Precepts) in Theravada Buddhism, he could choose to become an <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anag%C4%81rika" rel="nofollow noreferrer">anagarika</a>.</p>
<p>In some cases, <a href="https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/ariyesako/layguide.html#modern" rel="nofollow noreferrer">The Great Standards</a> (method to create modern exceptions to ancient rules) can be used for regional adaptation. For e.g. monks who reside in Buddhist minority countries with not many lay Buddhists nearby, may need to prepare their own food from stored raw ingredients. This is only my speculation.</p>
