user8157: In relation to the question: "Is there is no benefit and there is no intrinsic positive nature in a pleasant sensation?", I read the following quote from SN 36.5 on the internet:

A mendicant who sees pleasure as pain, one who has seen the pleasant as painful, who sees the pain in happiness, Yo sukhaṃ dukkhato adda,
and suffering as a dart, the painful as a dart, views the painful feeling as a thorn, dukkhamaddakkhi sallato;
and that peaceful, neutral feeling adukkhamasukhaṃ santaṃ,
as impermanent, addakkhi naṃ aniccato.
sees rightly; sa ve sammaddaso bhikkhu,
they completely understand feelings. parijānāti vedanā;
Completely understanding feelings, So vedanā pariññāya,
they’re without defilements in this very life. diṭṭhe dhamme anāsavo;

Not necessarily adhering to the literal translations above:

What is the meaning of the Pali in verse above from Datthabba Sutta?

Does the Datthabba Sutta support the idea: 'there is no benefit and there is no intrinsic positive nature in a pleasant sensation'?

How does the above verse in the Datthabba Sutta reconcile with the Pali verse: "Nibbanam paramam sukham: Nibbana is the supreme happiness"?

Are any of the translations above of the three Western monks accurate so to inspire faith in these ordained Westerners?



user13709: MN1 states:

MN1:171.4: ‘Nandī dukkhassa mūlan’ti—

The happiness of nibbana is therefore empty of nandī.
MN1 also states the difficulty of this understanding:

MN1:172-194.31: But the mendicants were not happy with what the Buddha said.

Perhaps the clarification here may help, since there is identification in nandī:

MN1:148-170.24: nibbānaṁ nibbānato abhiññāya nibbānaṁ na maññati, nibbānasmiṁ na maññati, nibbānato na maññati, nibbānaṁ meti na m
aññati, nibbānaṁ nābhinandati.

MN1:148-170.24: But he doesn’t identify with extinguishment, he doesn’t identify regarding extinguishment, he doesn’t identify as
extinguishment, he doesn’t identify that ‘extinguishment is mine’, he doesn’t take pleasure in extinguishment.


8157: <p>In relation to the question: &quot;<em>Is there is no benefit and there is no intrinsic positive nature in a pleasant sensation?</em>&quot;, I read the following quote from SN 36.5 on the internet:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>A mendicant who sees pleasure as pain, one who has seen the pleasant as painful, who sees the pain in happiness, Yo sukhaṃ dukkhato adda,</p>
<p>and suffering as a dart, the painful as a dart, views the painful feeling as a thorn, dukkhamaddakkhi sallato;</p>
<p>and that peaceful, neutral feeling adukkhamasukhaṃ santaṃ,</p>
<p>as impermanent, addakkhi naṃ aniccato.</p>
<p>sees rightly; sa ve sammaddaso bhikkhu,</p>
<p>they completely understand feelings. parijānāti vedanā;</p>
<p>Completely understanding feelings, So vedanā pariññāya,</p>
<p>they’re without defilements in this very life. diṭṭhe dhamme anāsavo;</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Not necessarily adhering to the literal translations above:</p>
<ol>
<li><p>What is the meaning of the Pali in verse above from Datthabba Sutta?</p>
</li>
<li><p>Does the Datthabba Sutta support the idea: '<em>there is no benefit and there is no intrinsic positive nature in a pleasant sensation</em>'?</p>
</li>
<li><p>How does the above verse in the Datthabba Sutta reconcile with the Pali verse: &quot;<em>Nibbanam paramam sukham: Nibbana is the supreme happines</em>s&quot;?</p>
</li>
<li><p>Are any of the translations above of the three Western monks accurate so to inspire faith in these ordained Westerners?</p>
</li>
</ol>
 13709: <p>MN1 states:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><a href="https://suttacentral.net/mn1/en/sujato#mn1:171.4" rel="nofollow noreferrer">MN1:171.4</a>: ‘Nandī dukkhassa mūlan’ti—</p>
</blockquote>
<p>The happiness of nibbana is therefore empty of nandī.</p>
<p>MN1 also states the difficulty of this understanding:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><a href="https://suttacentral.net/mn1/en/sujato#mn1:172-194.31" rel="nofollow noreferrer">MN1:172-194.31</a>: But the mendicants were not happy with what the Buddha said.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Perhaps the clarification here may help, since there is identification in nandī:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><a href="https://suttacentral.net/mn1/en/sujato#mn1:148-170.24" rel="nofollow noreferrer">MN1:148-170.24</a>: nibbānaṁ nibbānato abhiññāya nibbānaṁ na maññati, nibbānasmiṁ na maññati, nibbānato na maññati, nibbānaṁ meti na m
aññati, nibbānaṁ nābhinandati.
<br>
<a href="https://suttacentral.net/mn1/en/sujato#mn1:148-170.24" rel="nofollow noreferrer">MN1:148-170.24</a>: But he doesn’t identify with extinguishment, he doesn’t identify regarding extinguishment, he doesn’t identify as
extinguishment, he doesn’t identify that ‘extinguishment is mine’, he doesn’t take pleasure in extinguishment.</p>
</blockquote>
