user11467: How can you explain karma in the genocide of babies and "innocents" (For example: The Holocaust) in Buddhist terms to a non-Buddhist, without seeming cold and uncaring? Yesterday, I tried--by saying, "I cannot say unequivocally, why the millions had to suffer or whether karma came into play or not, but perhaps it is better to focus attention on the present and try to generate good karma here and now." I know Buddha said certain topics will only foster disputation and I felt like this is one of those that can only be speculation so I steered the conversation in another direction. What can you say in a better (or kinder) way to explain it to a non-Buddhist person who asks how the holocaust suffering can be justified and who expresses interest in knowing the Buddhist view about it? 

user12858: What to say?
If you wish for your long term welfare, don't associated with fools, seek for wise, even to make an earning, fulfill your duties towrad those who deserve it (e.g. your parents, family, teacher, companions, leader, Brahmans and contemplatives), abstain from unskillful deeds (even for fullfilment of duties), nurish and do skillful deeds and harmless undertakings and clean your mind.
If you wish to help others, teach them as well in this skills, best after knowing the task your self, in generosity, virtue and contemplation of the Dhamma.
In explaining this and encourage to simply this, you do the best for all.

Phenomena are   preceded by the heart [and the deeds following it],
      ruled by the heart,
      made of the heart.
  If you speak or act
  with a corrupted heart,
  then suffering follows you —
  as the wheel of the cart,
      the track of the ox
      that pulls it.
Phenomena [one experians] are  preceded by the heart [ones],
      ruled by the heart,
      made of the heart.
  If you speak or act
  with a calm, bright heart,
  then happiness follows you,
  like a shadow
      that never leaves. -dhp 1-2

Affirming the Truths of the Heart, bias or taking a stand is endless wandering on. Fools will always just work on their own destructiin and not easy could they be helped.
Generally, this essays are a good help for understanding: "Wisdom over Justice" and "Justice vs. Skillfulness" but require some amount of having cleansed one mind a little already to do not quick fall into papanca (objectification, identification, with its endless expansions and beark apparts) again.

And then I saw
      an arrow here,
  so very hard to see,
  embedded in the heart.
  Overcome by this arrow
  you run in all directions.
  But simply
      on pulling it out
      you don’t run,
      you don’t sink.

[Note: This is a gift of Dhamma, not meant for commercial use or other lower wordily gains by ways of exchange or trade.]

user12367: In the West, we see the Eastern philosophy and religion through the colored glasses of Christianity hence Karma is understood as some form of retribution for your sins. Or through the eyes of new-age movement as "poetic justice"  The best translation that comes close to the true meaning of Karma is "your doing" but it is a scholastic, semantic translation without the understanding of the meaning behind the label. The meaning of Karma the way I understand it is "the law of unintended consequences" In the Holocaust scenario being that what made the German Jewish community so strong and successful (identity, culture, religion, economic success etc.) became also their death sentence.

user-1: In this video "Ask A Monk: Karma in a Holocaust", by Ven. Yuttadhammo, he addresses the topic of kamma in relation to a Holocaust/mass suffering.
In summary:


No-one experiences death in the same way - some calm, some frightened, some enraged - depending on their mindstate.
Only a buddha could understand karma.
To explain an event such as "many people dying in a tsunami", that is a confluence of different causes: science explains how things comes together; karma explains the part the mind plays in that ... each person has their own experience.


May this be of use to you.

user10304: I think the wise way is not to go straight into "Karma". These days, even some "Buddhist" can't accept Karma as one of the doctrines taught authentically by the Buddha, how could one expect non-Buddhist to immediately grasp the idea? But not be fooled by the face value?  
Maybe the right way is to say, everything happens for a reason. This is called Karma in a certain sense. Sometimes the reason is so beyond our normal way of comprehension, or diluted/deferred by time we can't immediately identify their relationships in those events. 
Of course genocide of babies and "innocents" in Holocaust (the twisted facts yet have to be revealed by history one day) happened as we understood should be condemned and denounced. But what, those chickens in the battery farm millions and millions are killed and dismembered everyday, if these needn't to be condemned and denounced also? If we believe the proof of science in the law of conservation of energy, why these killings everyday, that this killing energy is not needed to express in another conversion? Of course, this is just one example. 
There is this story about Karma and retribution: The Buddha explaint his Shakyan people were razed by King Virudhaka, due to many eons ago these Shakyan people in famine eating all the fishes in one river, included the fish-king. The Buddha at that time was a kid disliked fish but he took a stick to knock on the fish-king's head for fun. This fish-king many eons later reborn as King Virudhaka. Thus the Buddha had three days of headache when this event happened. The play of Karma is very intriguing. Like today, many of the stars and galaxies captured by our telescopes not as they are in fact, for time delay due to distance their appearances not in sync. What we see is not what it is.
Thus, we should always hold our respect to something we don't fully comprehend. Because we don't know everything that's why we are human; also we can know everything by starting being human. This "can know everything" will increase the capacity by learning. Mahayana relates this to Prajna Paramita. The rule is: do good, do no evil, or, compassion, within the spectrum of what's known already.       

user43: Pride. When someone thinks he is better than others, looks down on others, the attitude of superiority creates a certain type of latent tension... That sometimes gets resolved in brutal ways. 
In this case it was the prides of multiple peoples, German, Jews, of Hitler himself, of the old Arya people. The pride of superiority that accumulated for thousands of years have burst.
I'm not blaming it on any single people, I'm not saying Jews were retributed for their pride, or Germans were, nothing like that. I'm saying pride sways, carries,  creates circumstances, then circumstances affect people. The impersonal mechanism of karma at play. 

user7611: The popular portrayal of kamma isn't what The Buddha believed in (if someone does good deeds then good things would happen to them or if they do evil deeds bad things will happen).
He thought that there were many different variables involved in one's experiences besides good or bad deeds.
There are also certain deeds perceived as good that are actually bad and other deeds perceived as bad that are actually good.
As explained in the Maha Kammavibhanga Sutta (MN 136) there are certain people who do evil deeds who still go to heavenly worlds after death and other certain people who do good deeds who still go to hell after death:

"Now there is the person who has killed living beings
  here... has had wrong view. And on the dissolution of the body, after
  death, he reappears in a happy destination, in the heavenly world. But
  (perhaps) the good kamma producing his happiness was done by him
  earlier, or the good kamma producing his happiness was done by him
  later, or right view was undertaken and completed by him at the time
  of his death. And that was why, on the dissolution of the body, after
  death, he reappeared in a happy destination, in the heavenly world.
  But since he has killed living beings here... has had wrong view, he
  will feel the result of that here and now, or in his next rebirth, or
  in some subsequent existence
..."Now there is the person who has abstained from killing living beings here... has had right view. And on the dissolution of
  the body, after death, he reappears in the states of deprivation, in
  an unhappy destination, in perdition, in hell. But (perhaps) the evil
  kamma producing his suffering was done by him earlier, or the evil
  kamma producing his suffering was done by him later, or wrong view was
  undertaken and completed by him at the time of his death. And that was
  why, on the dissolution of the body, after death, he reappeared in the
  states of deprivation, in an unhappy destination, in perdition, in
  hell. But since he has abstained from killing living beings here...
  has had right view, he will feel the result of that here and now, or
  in his next rebirth, or in some subsequent existence." (Maha
  Kammavibhanga Sutta, MN 136)

Here we see The Buddha explaining the variables involved earlier kamma, later kamma, and the view at the time of death.
The person will always feel the effect their deeds in some form, but how that happens relies on many different factors.
As explained in the Lonaphala Sutta:

"Now, a trifling evil deed done by what sort of individual takes him
  to hell? There is the case where a certain individual is undeveloped
  in [contemplating] the body, undeveloped in virtue, undeveloped in
  mind, undeveloped in discernment: restricted, small-hearted, dwelling
  with suffering. A trifling evil deed done by this sort of individual
  takes him to hell."
"Now, a trifling evil deed done by what sort of individual is
  experienced in the here & now, and for the most part barely appears
  for a moment? There is the case where a certain individual is
  developed in [contemplating] the body, developed in virtue, developed
  in mind, developed in discernment: unrestricted, large-hearted,
  dwelling with the immeasurable. A trifling evil deed done by this sort
  of individual is experienced in the here & now, and for the most part
  barely appears for a moment." (Lonaphala Sutta, AN 3.99)

So you see there can be many people perceived as good but undeveloped in many aspects (contemplating the body, virtue, mind, discernment, heart) so any trifling evil deed they did in the past many take them to hell (or cause them to have negative experiences).
And there can be many people perceived as evil but developed in many aspects (contemplating the body, virtue, mind, discernment, heart) so many trifling evil deeds they did in the past still may not take them to hell (or cause them to have negative experiences).
There have been many genocides in history besides the holocaust, the genocide of the Jews. There have been for instance the persecution and execution of Buddhist monks by many different groups in history.
How this ties in is that there are many different variables involved in one's experiences...it does not necessarily mean that those who took birth into a region or time-period where they were persecuted and executed for no real reason are evil-doers or came from one of the three lower destinations (hell, the animal realm, realm of ghosts) although it does mean that they are exhausting their evil kamma that was caused for some reason or another (and also means that the one executing the violence is causing evil kamma).
If mankind as a whole wants violence to end all around the world we have to cause good kammas (bodily, verbal, mental) such that only good beings can exist on Earth...if you look the global homicide rate and violence around the world that time hasn't come yet...but will certainly come sometime in the future if more and more people continue doing good deeds and practicing metta (loving-kindness).

11467: <p>How can you explain karma in the genocide of babies and "innocents" (For example: The Holocaust) in Buddhist terms to a non-Buddhist, without seeming cold and uncaring? Yesterday, I tried--by saying, "I cannot say unequivocally, why the millions had to suffer or whether karma came into play or not, but perhaps it is better to focus attention on the present and try to generate good karma here and now." I know Buddha said certain topics will only foster disputation and I felt like this is one of those that can only be speculation so I steered the conversation in another direction. What can you say in a better (or kinder) way to explain it to a non-Buddhist person who asks how the holocaust suffering can be justified and who expresses interest in knowing the Buddhist view about it? </p>
 12858: <p>What to say?</p>

<p>If you wish for your long term welfare, don't associated with fools, seek for wise, even to make an earning, fulfill your duties towrad those who deserve it (e.g. your parents, family, teacher, companions, leader, Brahmans and contemplatives), abstain from unskillful deeds (even for fullfilment of duties), nurish and do skillful deeds and harmless undertakings and clean your mind.</p>

<p>If you wish to help others, teach them as well in this skills, best after knowing the task your self, in generosity, virtue and contemplation of the Dhamma.</p>

<p>In explaining this and encourage to simply this, you do the best for all.</p>

<blockquote>
  <p><code>Phenomena are   preceded by the heart [and the deeds following it],
      ruled by the heart,
      made of the heart.
  If you speak or act
  with a corrupted heart,
  then suffering follows you —
  as the wheel of the cart,
      the track of the ox
      that pulls it.</code></p>
  
  <p><code>Phenomena [one experians] are  preceded by the heart [ones],
      ruled by the heart,
      made of the heart.
  If you speak or act
  with a calm, bright heart,
  then happiness follows you,
  like a shadow
      that never leaves.</code> -<a href="http://zugangzureinsicht.org/html/tipitaka/kn/dhp/dhp.01.than_en.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">dhp 1-2</a></p>
</blockquote>

<p><a href="http://zugangzureinsicht.org/html/lib/authors/thanissaro/affirming_en.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Affirming the Truths of the Heart</a>, bias or taking a stand is endless wandering on. Fools will always just work on their own destructiin and not easy could they be helped.</p>

<p>Generally, this essays are a good help for understanding: "<a href="http://zugangzureinsicht.org/html/lib/authors/thanissaro/wisdomoverjustice_en.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Wisdom over Justice</a>" and "<a href="http://zugangzureinsicht.org/html/lib/authors/thanissaro/justicevsskill_en.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Justice vs. Skillfulness</a>" but require some amount of having cleansed one mind a little already to do not quick fall into <a href="http://zugangzureinsicht.org/html/lib/authors/thanissaro/papanca_en.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">papanca</a> (objectification, identification, with its endless expansions and beark apparts) again.</p>

<blockquote>
  <p><code>And then I saw
      an arrow here,
  so very hard to see,
  embedded in the heart.
  Overcome by this arrow
  you run in all directions.
  But simply
      on pulling it out
      you don’t run,
      you don’t sink.</code></p>
</blockquote>

<p><em>[Note: This is a gift of Dhamma, not meant for commercial use or other lower wordily gains by ways of exchange or trade.]</em></p>
 12367: <p>In the West, we see the Eastern philosophy and religion through the colored glasses of Christianity hence Karma is understood as some form of retribution for your sins. Or through the eyes of new-age movement as "poetic justice"  The best translation that comes close to the true meaning of Karma is "your doing" but it is a scholastic, semantic translation without the understanding of the meaning behind the label. The meaning of Karma the way I understand it is "the law of unintended consequences" In the Holocaust scenario being that what made the German Jewish community so strong and successful (identity, culture, religion, economic success etc.) became also their death sentence.</p>
 -1: <p>In this video <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBmvLLffvg0" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><em>"Ask A Monk: Karma in a Holocaust"</em></a>, by Ven. Yuttadhammo, he addresses the topic of kamma in relation to a Holocaust/mass suffering.</p>

<p>In summary:</p>

<blockquote>
  <ul>
  <li>No-one experiences death in the same way - some calm, some frightened, some enraged - depending on their mindstate.</li>
  <li>Only a buddha could understand karma.</li>
  <li>To explain an event such as "many people dying in a tsunami", that is a confluence of different causes: science explains how things comes together; karma explains the part the mind plays in that ... each person has their own experience.</li>
  </ul>
</blockquote>

<p>May this be of use to you.</p>
 10304: <p>I think the wise way is not to go straight into "Karma". These days, even some "Buddhist" can't accept Karma as one of the doctrines taught authentically by the Buddha, how could one expect non-Buddhist to immediately grasp the idea? But not be fooled by the face value?  </p>

<p>Maybe the right way is to say, everything happens for a reason. This is called Karma in a certain sense. Sometimes the reason is so beyond our normal way of comprehension, or diluted/deferred by time we can't immediately identify their relationships in those events. </p>

<p>Of course genocide of babies and "innocents" in Holocaust (the twisted facts yet have to be revealed by history one day) happened as we understood should be condemned and denounced. But what, those chickens in the battery farm millions and millions are killed and dismembered everyday, if these needn't to be condemned and denounced also? If we believe the proof of science in the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy" rel="nofollow noreferrer">law of conservation of energy</a>, why these killings everyday, that this killing energy is not needed to express in another conversion? Of course, this is just one example. </p>

<p>There is this story about Karma and retribution: The Buddha explaint his Shakyan people were razed by King Virudhaka, due to many eons ago these Shakyan people in famine eating all the fishes in one river, included the fish-king. The Buddha at that time was a kid disliked fish but he took a stick to knock on the fish-king's head for fun. This fish-king many eons later reborn as King Virudhaka. Thus the Buddha had three days of headache when this event happened. The play of Karma is very intriguing. Like today, many of the stars and galaxies captured by our telescopes not as they are in fact, for time delay due to distance their appearances not in sync. What we see is not what it is.</p>

<p>Thus, we should always hold our respect to something we don't fully comprehend. Because we don't know everything that's why we are human; also we can know everything by starting being human. This "can know everything" will increase the capacity by learning. Mahayana relates this to Prajna Paramita. The rule is: <strong>do good, do no evil</strong>, or, compassion, within the spectrum of what's known already.       </p>
 43: <p>Pride. When someone thinks he is better than others, looks down on others, the attitude of superiority creates a certain type of latent tension... That sometimes gets resolved in brutal ways. </p>

<p>In this case it was the prides of multiple peoples, German, Jews, of Hitler himself, of the old Arya people. The pride of superiority that accumulated for thousands of years have burst.</p>

<p>I'm not blaming it on any single people, I'm not saying Jews were retributed for their pride, or Germans were, nothing like that. I'm saying pride sways, carries,  creates circumstances, then circumstances affect people. The impersonal mechanism of karma at play. </p>
 7611: <p>The popular portrayal of kamma isn't what The Buddha believed in (if someone does good deeds then good things would happen to them or if they do evil deeds bad things will happen).</p>

<p>He thought that there were many different variables involved in one's experiences besides good or bad deeds.</p>

<p>There are also certain deeds perceived as good that are actually bad and other deeds perceived as bad that are actually good.</p>

<p>As explained in the Maha Kammavibhanga Sutta (MN 136) there are certain people who do evil deeds who still go to heavenly worlds after death and other certain people who do good deeds who still go to hell after death:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>"Now there is the person who has killed living beings
  here... has had wrong view. And on the dissolution of the body, after
  death, he reappears in a happy destination, in the heavenly world. But
  (perhaps) the good kamma producing his happiness was done by him
  earlier, or the good kamma producing his happiness was done by him
  later, or right view was undertaken and completed by him at the time
  of his death. And that was why, on the dissolution of the body, after
  death, he reappeared in a happy destination, in the heavenly world.
  But since he has killed living beings here... has had wrong view, he
  will feel the result of that here and now, or in his next rebirth, or
  in some subsequent existence</p>
  
  <p>..."Now there is the person who has abstained from killing living beings here... has had right view. And on the dissolution of
  the body, after death, he reappears in the states of deprivation, in
  an unhappy destination, in perdition, in hell. But (perhaps) the evil
  kamma producing his suffering was done by him earlier, or the evil
  kamma producing his suffering was done by him later, or wrong view was
  undertaken and completed by him at the time of his death. And that was
  why, on the dissolution of the body, after death, he reappeared in the
  states of deprivation, in an unhappy destination, in perdition, in
  hell. But since he has abstained from killing living beings here...
  has had right view, he will feel the result of that here and now, or
  in his next rebirth, or in some subsequent existence." (Maha
  Kammavibhanga Sutta, MN 136)</p>
</blockquote>

<p>Here we see The Buddha explaining the variables involved earlier kamma, later kamma, and the view at the time of death.</p>

<p>The person will always feel the effect their deeds in some form, but how that happens relies on many different factors.</p>

<p>As explained in the Lonaphala Sutta:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>"Now, a trifling evil deed done by what sort of individual takes him
  to hell? There is the case where a certain individual is undeveloped
  in [contemplating] the body, undeveloped in virtue, undeveloped in
  mind, undeveloped in discernment: restricted, small-hearted, dwelling
  with suffering. A trifling evil deed done by this sort of individual
  takes him to hell."</p>
  
  <p>"Now, a trifling evil deed done by what sort of individual is
  experienced in the here &amp; now, and for the most part barely appears
  for a moment? There is the case where a certain individual is
  developed in [contemplating] the body, developed in virtue, developed
  in mind, developed in discernment: unrestricted, large-hearted,
  dwelling with the immeasurable. A trifling evil deed done by this sort
  of individual is experienced in the here &amp; now, and for the most part
  barely appears for a moment." (Lonaphala Sutta, AN 3.99)</p>
</blockquote>

<p>So you see there can be many people perceived as good but undeveloped in many aspects (contemplating the body, virtue, mind, discernment, heart) so any trifling evil deed they did in the past many take them to hell (or cause them to have negative experiences).</p>

<p>And there can be many people perceived as evil but developed in many aspects (contemplating the body, virtue, mind, discernment, heart) so many trifling evil deeds they did in the past still may not take them to hell (or cause them to have negative experiences).</p>

<p>There have been many genocides in history besides the holocaust, the genocide of the Jews. There have been for instance the persecution and execution of Buddhist monks by many different groups in history.</p>

<p>How this ties in is that there are many different variables involved in one's experiences...it does not necessarily mean that those who took birth into a region or time-period where they were persecuted and executed for no real reason are evil-doers or came from one of the three lower destinations (hell, the animal realm, realm of ghosts) although it does mean that they are exhausting their evil kamma that was caused for some reason or another (and also means that the one executing the violence is causing evil kamma).</p>

<p>If mankind as a whole wants violence to end all around the world we have to cause good kammas (bodily, verbal, mental) such that only good beings can exist on Earth...if you look the global homicide rate and violence around the world that time hasn't come yet...but will certainly come sometime in the future if more and more people continue doing good deeds and practicing metta (loving-kindness).</p>
