user11518: I try to sit back and look at things more objectively. This is how I see things right now:

we are awareness made flesh. with all the senses and limitations associated with being a human flesh creature.
our bodies are on a 75 year camping trip. We're roughing it with these senses and subject to the ravages of time which normally doesnt affect us.
in our normal forms, as awareness, we only sense vibrations and "warm" events give us resonant vibrations and harmonies. events other than that cause discordant vibrations and we are repulsed by them.
when our bodies die we go back to being awareness. That is our only rebirth or afterlife.
man has the capacity to move beyond rebirth, but it will never happen until the human race is homogenized physically and mentally. this just happens with time.

So I have a definite dispute with the Buddha over the feasibility of working towards an end-goal of Nirvana. Has anyone ascended to date? I believe the true definition is nirvana after death and better lives while alive.
Why is this not a more feasible end result? What is wrong with my reasoning?

user11762: When we create some arbitrary models of reality (ideas), it might be good enough for writing fiction books. But if we want to discuss real situations, we should rely on proper knowledge.
The Dharma of Buddha was derived from experiential observations, it was not just arbitrary construction of ideas. Therefore it is suitable for discussing our human situation.
Arbitrary ideas are not useful, because they are not based on real phenomena. For example: "man has the capacity to move beyond rebirth, but it will never happen until the human race is homogenized physically and mentally".
Unless you prove such ideas, starting from observable phenomena, I see no reason to waste time discussing them.

user111: Your question comes from the belief of eternalism. Buddhism rejects the view of an eternal soul or awareness. 
Rebirth occurs until one uproots craving. Elimination of craving is the end game.

11518: <p>I try to sit back and look at things more objectively. This is how I see things right now:</p>

<ol>
<li>we are awareness made flesh. with all the senses and limitations associated with being a human flesh creature.</li>
<li>our bodies are on a 75 year camping trip. We're roughing it with these senses and subject to the ravages of time which normally doesnt affect us.</li>
<li>in our normal forms, as awareness, we only sense vibrations and "warm" events give us resonant vibrations and harmonies. events other than that cause discordant vibrations and we are repulsed by them.</li>
<li>when our bodies die we go back to being awareness. That is our only rebirth or afterlife.</li>
<li>man has the capacity to move beyond rebirth, but it will never happen until the human race is homogenized physically and mentally. this just happens with time.</li>
</ol>

<p>So I have a definite dispute with the Buddha over the feasibility of working towards an end-goal of Nirvana. Has anyone ascended to date? I believe the true definition is nirvana after death and better lives while alive.</p>

<p>Why is this not a more feasible end result? What is wrong with my reasoning?</p>
 11762: <p>When we create some arbitrary models of reality (ideas), it might be good enough for writing fiction books. But if we want to discuss real situations, we should rely on proper knowledge.</p>

<p>The Dharma of Buddha was derived from experiential observations, it was not just arbitrary construction of ideas. Therefore it is suitable for discussing our human situation.</p>

<p>Arbitrary ideas are not useful, because they are not based on real phenomena. For example: "man has the capacity to move beyond rebirth, but it will never happen until the human race is homogenized physically and mentally".</p>

<p>Unless you prove such ideas, starting from observable phenomena, I see no reason to waste time discussing them.</p>
 111: <p>Your question comes from the belief of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sassatavada" rel="nofollow noreferrer">eternalism</a>. Buddhism rejects the view of an eternal soul or awareness. </p>

<p>Rebirth occurs until one uproots craving. Elimination of craving is the end game.</p>
