user-1: What is nirvana if it is not just a beatific consciousness free from suffering in all meanings? I want to move away from that and the idea of the perfections (both seem slightly off).
So there is meant to be no person to have found its happiness, and soon after nirvana is realised there is no longer even any aggregates to experience its bliss. We agree there is less suffering in the world when a aspirant attains any kind of buddhahood, right? One metaphor is the extinguishment of a lamp, its flame being, I suppose, a kind of burning.
Do we look at it pseudo objectively (one less thing in pain in samsara), pseudo subjectively (the extinction of a particular painful cycle of rebirth), or some mixture of the two (e.g. it belongs to one consciousness but a reason for happiness for all).
So could you say it's not just a beatific sense of profound bliss, its the ground of all happiness that does not fool anyone? If so, if that's a fair characterisation (not at all sure it is), do Buddhists define that as a consciousness, and if so with what meaning?

user471: There is suffering. It's not your suffering or my suffering. It's simply mental suffering that arises whenever the mind-body phenomena is mired in craving and clinging, that is rooted in ignorance.
Through the cultivation of wisdom through the noble eightfold path, ignorance is weakened and eventually uprooted. When ignorance is uprooted, craving is ended and this brings the permanent cessation of suffering. With the awakening from ignorance, comes the liberation from suffering.
Upon liberation from suffering, Nirvana is experienced. The clinging aggregates are destroyed but the non-clinging aggregates survive until the dissolution of the physical body. This is called Nirvana element with fuel remaining.
Nirvana is a phenomena or thing that is sensed by the mind when it is completely free from suffering. It is the experience of the absence of suffering. It can be cognized by mind-consciousness. It's not a thought. It's not an emotion. It's not consciousness. It's not a state of mind. It is unchanging and it is not self. Of course, due to the experience of Nirvana, peace and bliss can arise and be felt as emotions.
Imagine that you were a soldier in South East Asia during World War 2. One day you ran deep into the forest to escape the pursuit of the enemy. Since then, you lived in hiding with fear and anxiety, constantly looking out for enemy incursion, day and night, day after day. You spend decades deep in the woods with mental anguish, depression, boredom, loneliness, fear and anxiety. All sorts of mental suffering.
Then one day, some people discover you in the forest and tell you not to be afraid, and that WW2 had ended decades ago. There's no war anymore. No enemies. Only peace.
Becoming awakened to the fact that the war had ended, which is uprooting the ignorance of the fact that the war had ended, causes the ending of clinging to the mindset (or mental concept or mental world) of living in hiding from the war. And with the ending of this clinging, comes the cessation of mental suffering. No more fear and anxiety.
You experience a huge burden lifted, a sense of relief, a source of peace and bliss. That's not a thought or emotion of the mind. That's not consciousness. That's not a state of mind. That is a phenomena which is experienced by the mind. That is a phenomena cognized by mind-consciousness. That is the experience of the absence of suffering.
This is an analogy to explain what Nirvana is.
Of course, the WW2 soldier's freedom from suffering is not permanent. It would soon get replaced with some other suffering. The permanent achievement of Nirvana on the other hand, brings permanent freedom from suffering.

Ven. Sariputta: “Reverends, extinguishment (Nibbana) is bliss!
Ven. Udayi: “But Reverend Sāriputta, what’s blissful about it, since
nothing is felt?”
Ven. Sariputta: “The fact that nothing is felt is precisely what’s
blissful about it.
AN 9.34


-1: <p>What is nirvana if it is not just a beatific consciousness free from suffering in all meanings? I want to move away from that and the idea of the perfections (both seem slightly off).</p>
<p>So there is meant to be no person to have found its happiness, and soon after nirvana is realised there is no longer even any aggregates to experience its bliss. We agree there is less suffering in the world when a aspirant attains any kind of buddhahood, right? One metaphor is the extinguishment of a lamp, its flame being, I suppose, a kind of burning.</p>
<p>Do we look at it pseudo <strong>objectively</strong> (one less thing in pain in samsara), pseudo <em>subjectively</em> (the extinction of a particular painful cycle of rebirth), or some mixture of the two (e.g. it belongs to one consciousness but <em><strong>a reason for happiness for all</strong></em>).</p>
<p>So could you say it's not just a beatific sense of profound bliss, its the ground of all happiness that does not fool anyone? If so, if that's a fair characterisation (not at all sure it is), do Buddhists define that as a consciousness, and if so with what meaning?</p>
 471: <p>There is <a href="https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/a/41062/471">suffering</a>. It's not your suffering or my suffering. It's simply mental suffering that arises whenever the mind-body phenomena is mired in <a href="https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/q/9378/471">craving and clinging</a>, that is rooted in <a href="https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/a/33545/471">ignorance</a>.</p>
<p>Through the cultivation of wisdom through the noble eightfold path, ignorance is weakened and eventually uprooted. When ignorance is uprooted, craving is ended and this brings the permanent cessation of suffering. With the awakening from ignorance, comes the liberation from suffering.</p>
<p>Upon liberation from suffering, Nirvana is experienced. The <a href="https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/q/31154/471">clinging aggregates</a> are destroyed but the non-clinging aggregates survive until the dissolution of the physical body. This is called <a href="https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/kn/iti/iti.2.028-049.than.html#iti-044" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Nirvana element with fuel remaining</a>.</p>
<p>Nirvana is a phenomena or thing that is sensed by the mind when it is completely free from suffering. It is the experience of the absence of suffering. It can be cognized by mind-consciousness. It's not a thought. It's not an emotion. It's not consciousness. It's not a state of mind. It is unchanging and it is <a href="https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/a/25302/471">not self</a>. Of course, due to the experience of Nirvana, peace and bliss can arise and be felt as emotions.</p>
<p>Imagine that you were a soldier in South East Asia during World War 2. One day you ran deep into the forest to escape the pursuit of the enemy. Since then, you lived in hiding with fear and anxiety, constantly looking out for enemy incursion, day and night, day after day. You spend decades deep in the woods with mental anguish, depression, boredom, loneliness, fear and anxiety. All sorts of mental suffering.</p>
<p>Then one day, some people discover you in the forest and tell you not to be afraid, and that WW2 had ended decades ago. There's no war anymore. No enemies. Only peace.</p>
<p>Becoming <a href="https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/q/46285/471">awakened</a> to the fact that the war had ended, which is uprooting the ignorance of the fact that the war had ended, causes the ending of clinging to the mindset (or <a href="https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/q/26819/471">mental concept</a> or <a href="https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/q/45355/471">mental world</a>) of living in hiding from the war. And with the ending of this clinging, comes the cessation of mental suffering. No more fear and anxiety.</p>
<p>You experience a huge <a href="https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn22/sn22.022.than.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">burden</a> lifted, a sense of relief, a source of peace and bliss. That's not a thought or emotion of the mind. That's not consciousness. That's not a state of mind. That is a phenomena which is experienced by the mind. That is a phenomena cognized by mind-consciousness. <strong>That is the experience of the absence of suffering.</strong></p>
<p>This is an analogy to explain what Nirvana is.</p>
<p>Of course, the WW2 soldier's freedom from suffering is not permanent. It would soon get replaced with some other suffering. The permanent achievement of Nirvana on the other hand, brings permanent freedom from suffering.</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Ven. Sariputta: “Reverends, extinguishment (Nibbana) is bliss!</p>
<p>Ven. Udayi: “But Reverend Sāriputta, what’s blissful about it, since
nothing is felt?”</p>
<p>Ven. Sariputta: “The fact that nothing is felt is precisely what’s
blissful about it.</p>
<p><a href="https://suttacentral.net/an9.34/en/sujato" rel="nofollow noreferrer">AN 9.34</a></p>
</blockquote>
