Anders Behring Breivik is lying, not delusional "I think it is to make it seem more large and meaningful," Mr Johannesen tells the court. He wants to recruit people into a network, and it is not easy if he is alone. So it helps to create fear, and he wants those he sees as enemies to live in fear. When prison psychiatrists pressed Breivik on how difficult some of his claims were to believe, Mr Johannesen reported, the extremist had sometimes smiled and said, "I am a salesman." He said he believed that his "strong ideology" had, however, meant he felt little for those, like the teenagers he shot on Utoya, that he saw as enemies. It is the phenomenon that can happen, the court certainly has been informed about 'in' and 'out' groups. One group is objectified, and demonised," he said. Mr Johannesen's colleague Arnhild Flikke agreed that Breivik showed no signs of psychosis or schizophrenia, but said that she did not believe Breivik had deliberately invented the Knights Templar group. "My gut feeling is that he's met some people," she said. I imagine some boys or young men have met together and mixed blood, as boys do, made some kind of pact. "I'm not saying he's come up with lies," she added. But he's come up with different versions, or different interpretations. Breivik said he welcomed Dr Flikke's judgement. "I'm glad that Dr Flicka doesn't believe I'm mad either," he said. But he complained at her characterisation of him as narcissistic. "This was a suicide operation that I had no intention to survive, and how I was regarded after I was dead wouldn't have made any difference," he said. Tomorrow the court will cross-examine the two psychiatrists who came to the controversial conclusion in November that Breivik was psychotic and suffering from paranoid schizophrenia, after which it will hear the authors of a second report, which concluded that Breivik was sane and should go to jail.