The perfect everyday wine glass Pay down Tracy -- welcome to my favorite favorite time of the week why -- -- its top line today we get to talk with my putting here. He female pioneer in the -- world. Robinson. You are one of the country's leading wine educators one of now you sit in the eighteen. FEMA well massive -- on the -- in the country that you're one of the -- the second yes. And I had no I don't think it was the second you're up there I was at your top five yes trying to highlight I remember watching you years ago you had all these great shows. Was it hard to break into the -- -- how does one you know. It wasn't because I was -- to work for great mentor at the wonderful restaurant on top of the trade center that we all remember so well windows on the world. And he was somebody who really tried to make opportunity for anybody who -- passion about wine including me and lots of other women -- -- -- an Israeli app and Sally how cool as suffer for me it was really easy and then being there in the restaurant setting where most people expect that the sommelier is an approached the table they're going to be. A man -- attacks it was actually a nice thing because I -- you know disarm people immediately walking at the table say hey can -- help you with the wind lesson that you like. Well because I think one -- I like watching about you was that you are not scary you took out the snobbery stuff you you know you figure you're cute -- personally have a smile on your face and I think that was like one I have to be -- one of the first. My first entries into it because. I thought it was the old -- stops right -- the old man. We did yes exactly and that you know the American sommelier at what they they Wear -- -- now there there are. You know of young kids there are kids that like look like they rock and roller Italy and it's really cool because it just has really taken in the world of wine and say there's something for everybody in this in this sandbox them so come on -- does -- really is now that he. Crazy right it's not just about the difference for a dollar and now finally -- love it when a customer comes in and says or or or retailers and then that are really good at what they do they -- when -- says. I really want something interesting but I don't want to go over X price right they're not gonna go with for difference loser on table fifteen -- They're gonna say -- this is so cool I had the best I have the perfect thing -- you they're gonna -- get a second. That's the jury because she does any black everywhere now even in the -- -- yes yes still the other fabulous thing you're doing to like bring the whole thing down to human level is. wine -- well yes because that really confusing differently at first yes of Burgundy the last -- the -- last -- apparently there's even a granola glass out and -- -- -- -- now. You downloads and and one of the things about all that glassware that that made me want to get to in the first places. I was a believer too I thought well there's different winds may -- didn't different lasts for every -- but at one point. I was actually asked to endorse one of those actually several of those classroom -- he started testing them. And I started to have this realization that there are a lot of -- out there that underperformed the wind style that they designed hunt. And that there -- certain -- of the glass that made every wine tastes great some not only was that good news for simplification but it was also great news for wine making wind. Be the best it can be -- if you have a great glass it really makes a difference but the -- There is one -- Really that optimizes also tell us about the one -- we have to -- sea -- red and white exactly senior white lines is that they're the same effective shape that the white lines a little smaller to preserve the delicacy in the -- The red lines a little bigger to give the aeration -- -- red wine is going to need to really show all of its character. But otherwise an important components are kind of sharp angle right here's the great -- were public lashing get sort of a a nice affected the -- But in -- without having an extra vessel to watch. Then a nice then ran with a fairly narrow opening to channel -- Romans. And the biggest thing is that they -- sizable but they're not as big as -- they actually over -- the wine and you lose a lot of the you just you know -- time. Some of them did get their -- this I felt like -- need to get that far in man to smell it you know well that this this -- by channeling the room is actually really concentrates everything right there where you are going to be able to enjoy -- -- some people like to -- in France. Ultimately though when you do when you sit the line. It's half of what you smell. And as -- half -- what you taste comes from your sense of right now right so it really is important to involve your -- in the process I love -- that you can -- and it does come flying and -- -- time that happens to write it feels good in the -- and it feels like it's not so cumbersome that -- here at risk of dropping -- knocking it over I'd -- doesn't feel too delicate and the best part as a mother of three yes. You've of these in this classic -- -- and I do all the time and that is genius but I think it's just me even for space people who live in Manhattan right. They -- these -- these classes you need a wing on your house and a Butler firm for all that stem where half. but with one it's a whole lot easier and it's better for the -- you gotta check -- our website could she had this online online course you could take of course her books are available there as well. And we'll have all that on the sites that you guys can check thank you so much you can thank you my pleasure out of -- --