Pope Francis on gays: highlights So painful! I wouldn't wish it in anyone. This is a true collaborator. When they say 'Oh, how great, how great, how great,' that's not useful. HE LOVES RETIRED POPE BENEDICT XVI LIKE A GRANDFATHER: "The last time there were two or three popes, they didn't talk among themselves and they fought over who was the true pope!" Having Benedict living in the Vatican "is like having a grandfather - a wise grandfather - living at home."