Video: NHS: Andrew Lansley comes under fire at RCN conference Q&A To loud cheers another union member asked, "If the Secretary of State is so convinced that regional pay is right for nurses, will he today also call for it to be introduced for MPs in constituencies outside the M25?" The session also saw Mr Lansley heckled and called a "liar" as he drew the ire of RCN members when, in response to a question about job losses, he told them that although overall staffing numbers in the NHS were down, the number of "professionally qualified, clinical staff" had actually increased by "nearly 4,000." He was then laughed at after saying nurses should tell superiors if staffing levels were not safe.