Fundraiser of terror gang lost £9000 in bad trading The al-Qaeda inspired group planned their terror attack because the 7/7 terrorists had not done enough damage. They aimed to target crowded public places to cause "mass death" and "carnage in the name of Allah." It would have been even more devastating than the July 7 London bombings, which left 52 innocent people dead. The alleged terrorists also discussed other methods of killing people including using AK47 assault rifles and poisons and even attaching blades to the wheels of cars to drive into crowds. One even joked to his estranged wife that they were not the "Four Lions," a reference to the film about homegrown British jihadists, because there were only three of them. But three "senior figures" were secretly recorded by police discussing what to do with Ahmed, who has already admitted collecting and investing more for terrorist acts and helping others to travel to Pakistan for terrorist training Brian Altman QC, prosecuting, said: "The three defendants discussed among themselves keeping their distance from him, feeling he had betrayed their trust by not informing them of the risks involved in investing. To recoup the loss, he was told to start paying back the lost money by taking out a loan. There was also a good deal of discussion among the defendants whether he should still be involved in the ammal, the action. The court also heard how in 2006, Ali had registered two user IDs on eBay using the email address be_terror@yahoo.co.uk. One user name was "terrorshop" and the second was "shopterror." Neither account was ever used, although the second remains active. Mr Altman said: "However, both reveal his mindset even then, even if the usernames he chose were registered half in jest." In 2010, Ali used different user IDs to buy goods on eBay linked with the preparation of the terror plot. The court has already heard that Naseer and Khalid twice went to Pakistan to receive terror training and made martyrdom videos to be released after they had "blown themselves up." After their return they began recruiting others and arranged to send them to Pakistan, it is alleged. They were among a total of 11 men and one woman arrested by police on various terrorism charges last year. Counter-terrorism officers had been monitoring them in a "long surveillance operation" which had included listening devices in the flat they used as their base and two of the gang's cars. Brian Altman QC, prosecuting, told the jury of six men and six women that police had "disrupted a plan to commit an act or acts of terrorism on a scale potentially greater than the London bombings in July 2005, if it had been allowed to runs its course. Naseer told one potential recruit to the plot that 7/7 had "gone a bit wrong" and that had also been the view of his "teacher" in the Pakistan training camp he attended. The London bombers had not done much damage because they had forgotten to put nails in their bombs, Mr Altman said. The prosecutor said the defendants were jihadists influenced by al-Qaeda, especially Osama bin Laden and Anwar Al-Awlaki, the US born extremist of Yemeni descent known for his internet lectures in English. Naseer and Khalid, along with Ashik Ali, are accused of attempting to produce home-made bombs in Ali's one-bedroom council flat at 23 White Street in the Sparkbrook area of Birmingham. Khalid, known as "Little Irfan," was recorded as saying he would be "dead" by June 2011. Ali later told police the plan was for him to "wear a suicide vest and carry a gun" but denied he would have carried out an attack. The trio planned to extract ammonium nitrate, used to make explosives, from cool packs normally used to help sports injuries, the court heard. They, along with others, also allegedly took part in a series of unauthorised street collections during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, which raised more than £13,500, the vast majority of which never reached the good causes for which it was intended. They also planned to open up an Islamic shop to act as a cover. Four other men, Naweed Ali, 24, Ishaaq Hussain, 20, Khobaib Hussain, 20, and Shahid Khan, 20, have pleaded guilty to travelling to Pakistan in August last year for terrorist training. Two people whom the defendants tried to recruit to their plan - Ashik Ali's older brother, Bahader Ali, 29, and Mohammed Rizwan, 33 - deny the charges they face and will stand trial next year.