Sure the warming is there if only they could find it The Evil RIght replied to mike Mon 23 Sep 13 (09:38am) Tell me about it Mike. Fundamentally they have just scientifically confirmed the existence of God. God still exists, but God appears to have gone into the deep consciousness of Man and, frustratingly, we do not have the instruments to measure Gods existence. SO therefore scientifically God is a settled science. Viperous replied to mike Mon 23 Sep 13 (10:11am) The scientific method is to do experiments that would prove the postulate/hypothesis to be false, and failing to would be a piece of evidence for it being true. Being unable to perform such experiments is not evidence that it is correct. The consensus is whether you have tried hard enough. For example, if the heat of the deep oceans had been recorded to have risen over the past 15 years, "there being no such warming" is removed as evidence of the postulate being false and that is some evidence for it. The "heat" may have come from a fault with the measurement or geothermal sources (much more likely if it were observed) so it is not a smoking gun. There is an interesting story about a physicist who created a new surface that reduced drag. After many experiments by others who agreed, it was he who discovered that it was the indirect method of measuring drag that was affected. The actual drag was horrendously bad. J of Qld replied to mike Mon 23 Sep 13 (10:12am) If it can't be measured or observed, it's not science. It's speculation. Beano replied to mike Mon 23 Sep 13 (11:11am) Surely they have heard of it. You only need to look at the "adjustments of current and historical readings" to see the practice is rife. Anthony replied to mike Mon 23 Sep 13 (11:17am) Karl Popper must be turning in his grave, mike. Shocked replied to mike Mon 23 Sep 13 (11:31am) Good point Mike. And what about the physics argument? You know, hot air rises? In this case there needs to be a special climate science to explain how the heat that is "coming in" passes through the air, into the water, and then drops out of meter readings to the deep oceans. I still think a better argument is dragons. They take in the heat to breathe out fire sometime in the future.