Ryan Giggs insists Manchester United cannot use Sir Alex Ferguson's retirement as an excuse for failure "But I don't" think that is an excuse when individuals aren't playing as well as they can. We are not playing well as a team, but we haven't got injury problems as we have had in the past, so there is no excuse. There are 20-odd players there and there are places to be had. If you do well, you stay in the team and hopefully we can do that. The manager has been OK. He realises we are not playing as well as we can and he wants to put that right. I am sure he will. United captain Nemanja Vidic, who stood out alongside Michael Carrick and David de Gea during a resolute performance in Donetsk, claims the point against Shakhtar was a result of Moyes's players accepting the need to iron out recent flaws. "I don't think it matters what happened the game before," Vidic said. You have to forget and you have to go harder the next game. That's the mentality you have to have - keep the discipline and recover. Sometimes you shouldn't enjoy yourself too much in football. You want to be clinical. You want to be patient and keep balance in the team. Against Shakhtar, we defended well. We could have created more chances but that will come. We have top class players up front and I think their time is coming. Obviously, there is still room to improve and that's a good thing as well. We know we aren't playing our best yet but still we have time to improve and have to say that the next game is important. Having won thirteen Premier League titles under Ferguson, Giggs insists this season's race can still be won by United. But the 39-year-old admits that Moyes's players cannot afford to make further mistakes. "There are other teams getting beaten around us, so we have plenty of time," Giggs said. But we need to start doing it quickly and at the weekend at Sunderland. It hasn't been a great start to the season but the good thing about that is we have time to turn it around. We know what this club is like, it is ups and downs and we don't get carried away if we are flying and we don't get carried away when we are not playing well. I can't put my finger on what has happened. We have just not played as well as we can both individually and as a team. It was a tough start for us because we played against all the top teams but that is no excuse. We just haven't played as well as we can. Against West Brom we probably weren't hard to beat like we were in Donetsk. We needed to sort that out and I felt we did. If you expect to go on a run and put pressure on the top teams we have to sort that out. We did it in Donetsk and we have to carry on doing that for the rest of the season. Giggs added: "It's not the most difficult season I've had in my career. There have been topsy turvy seasons in the past. I have been in the team for 20-odd years and I have seen more or less everything. You would rather be showing this form at the start of the season than at the end. You have just got to hang in there to the turn of the year as we always say and then hopefully hit a bit of form like we historically do.