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Saturday, March 03, 2007
Occasionally Conversations with my Man Are Instructive
"Oh, that's dead finally," I told him. "Turns out all I hadda do to kill it was talk about the topic in great wonky and laborious detail. I wish I'd realized that 600 comments ago."
"I thought the topic was how mean you all are."
"That's what they say . . . hey, there has been one new development: Pinko Punko dropped a link to I Blame the Patriarchy at Sadly, No!"
"Oh dear God."
"Pretty much, man, pretty much."
So later I had him read the thread at Twisty's, and he said, "I have a question."
"Okay . . . I get that there's a culture on feminist blogs, and you read them all the time, you understand that culture, most of the time I'm even okay with it, but then sometimes . . . do you guys not realize how you sound?"
"I mean, if someone who'd never really read Feministe just went over and all they read was that post of piny's--well, no, not so much that post, or even Feministe necessarily, but like, I can see how some of these guys get the idea that you all hate men. Because you're talking to the regulars, and the regulars know you don't hate men, but some new guy reading some of this stuff, he's going to be all, wait, what did I do? I didn't rape anybody, I never beat up a transsexual--"
"No, I get that," I interrupted him. "That's a lot like--like, I used to have the same reaction reading blogs by people of color. I'd see something like 'white people sure suck sometimes,' and I'd be all, 'Hey! Wait! Not all of us! Not me!' Even though I probably do suck as a white person sometimes--but I mean, I'd take it too personally."
"It's hard not to take it personally."
"It's not as hard if you move yourself out of the center of everything, though. That's what I finally got through my thick skull. It's not ABOUT me, always. And even if it is about me, so what? I'm not perfect. Why shouldn't I have to take some shit once in awhile? Heaven knows I dish enough out in a day. Would it kill me to get an attitude adjustment? Would it kill me to listen to someone unlike me for five minutes?"
"But if you aren't the problem," he argued, "It sucks to be treated like you're the problem. It's like being accused of something you didn't do."
"If I'm not the problem," I explained, "then why should I get invested in identifying with the problem? If the problem is some particular batch of white people, doing or saying shit I'd never in a million years do myself, why should I feel the need to put myself in their shoes? Just because they're white and I'm white? That's stupid. Like all the idiot white dudes who identify with the Duke lacrosse players--they don't even comprehend that unless they're just as wealthy and elite, which you know 95% of them aren't, the fucking lacrosse players would SPIT on them. They're ID-ing with the players, but I guarantee you the players aren't ID-ing with them."
"A lot of the guys written about on feminist blogs do things I would never do."
"Then don't identify with them. It's not about you! You stand to pee, they stand to pee, beyond that, what's the commonality?"
"That's why the argument you guys make that I like the best is that patriarchy screws men too."
"Well, it does," I agreed with him, "but I think why you like that argument so much is because then it's about you again. All's right with the universe. Man the sun, woman the earth."
"No, I've figured out that you guys don't like that, and I'm trying not to do that, I swear, but the way you express things sometimes, isn't it just making it easier for men to get defensive?"
"No," I said firmly, "What we aren't doing is taking care of them. Nurturing them. Putting their feelings first. Looking out for them, making things safe for them. We aren't making them the center. We're talking just the way we'd talk, the way we do talk, when y'all aren't around."
"And you know sometimes that gets ugly," I continued, "but the thing to do then is to remember: Everything else IS centered around y'all. Everything else--you guys got the talk radio to take care of you, the ESPN, the CNN, the New York Times, the advertising industry--you can't bask in all that adoration day in and day out and then pitch a fit because a handful of blogs on the internet don't recognize your awesomeness. Or I mean, you can pitch a fit, go right ahead, but it's not going to end with me bringing you your binky and kissing your forehead. It's going to end with my foot in your ass."
"But for a new guy--"
"For a new guy the best policy is to lurk, read, get a feel for the place, and just keep chanting: 'It's not about me. It's not about me. It is not about me.' Twisty even has an FAQ to help people out, but does anyone ever read it? Not the guys. They figure they already know everything important and no spinster aunt is going to tell THEM."
"I don't think I Blame the Patriarchy is where they should start out."
"Word. It says 'for advanced blamers only' on it for a reason. Twisty has the S.C.U.M. manifesto posted there, for crying out loud. I don't know what Pinko was thinking."
"You should have a beginner's blog."
"Periodically someone says as much, but that's a lot of work and boring to slog through if you already have some idea. I used to think a feminism 101 blog would be great, but anymore I'm like, 'No, you can take your ass to the library. Or take a women's studies class.' But you say that last one, it's like you suggested the dude go castrate himself."
"That's what I think I figured out--I shouldn't expect one of you to walk me through everything."
"Right. You don't get a tour guide. That costs extra."
"So now you know: This is why I mostly read sports blogs. I'm lazy, and I have enough homework as it is."
"To be honest with you," I confessed to him, "There are days I think sports blogs might be the way to go myself."
46 comments:
- Marcy said...
"And you know sometimes that gets ugly," I continued, "but the thing to do then is to remember: Everything else IS centered around y'all. Everything else--you guys got the talk radio to take care of you, the ESPN, the CNN, the New York Times, the advertising industry--you can't bask in all that adoration day in and day out and then pitch a fit because a handful of blogs on the internet don't recognize your awesomeness. Or I mean, you can pitch a fit, go right ahead, but it's not going to end with me bringing you your binky and kissing your forehead. It's going to end with my foot in your ass."
- March 04, 2007 12:26 AM
- Moon Rattled said...
do you tape your conversations or do you have a photographic memory? or is this conversation paraphrased from memory? I'm astounded at the detail and the length. I could never replicate a lengthy conversation like this.
- March 04, 2007 3:24 AM
- ilyka said...
Paraphrased from memory, occasionally with some shuffling around of the order of things to make neater segues, as actual conversational segues in my house tend to consist of me rudely interrupting the other person every 5 seconds. But I think taping conversations would be a little creepy.
I do usually run drafts of my conversation posts past whoever I've been talking to (usually the boyfriend, as I am a hermit) just to see if I've remembered it more or less accurately.
- March 04, 2007 4:01 AM
My husband only goes online to look at the weather radar or check out the fishing reports. But after months of listening to my allusions to the patriarchy in casual conversation, he finally decided to check out IBTP one day. And found it kind of frightening.
I forget the actual thread he stumbled upon, but it was particularly rancorous. We had a conversation about it somewhat similar to the one you had with your guy.
I told him his vantage point was that of someone who had walked into the middle of a debate in which the niceties had long since been dispensed with and the participants were slugging it out over the heart of the matter.
I'm not sure he gets it, but that's okay. As you noted, the world can't always revolve around dudes. In fact, that's sort of the point.
- March 04, 2007 5:43 AM
- Jodie said...
Mostly I just lurk here off and on, but I just wanted to say how much I enjoy your writing.
- March 04, 2007 9:48 AM
Well that deserves to become one of the Great Classics of Literature of All Time.
I'm absolutely mystified by anyone reading a blog saying "X people suck sometimes" and getting upset/feeling attacked. You really have to be convinced the world revolves around your ass to make that kind of mental leap, in which case you have far more severe problems than what some total stranger is writing on their blog.
- March 04, 2007 11:21 AM
OK, so you effing rock the world. I'm serious. I screwed up because I don't ever see this culture clash at IBTP (which means I am obtuse). I posted the link because I thought TF really made the point in a non-specific way- I didn't think she was making her point on the backs of a specific person, besides random commenters at Talk Left or wherever. I thought that people would not take it personally because they wouldn't have been called out by name (i.e. "Sadly, No sucks sandwich"), but I had a momentary lapse of the tiniest clue that someone would even take it personally. I screwed up. I did however, out of loyalty have to do the "please go easy, it was my bad."
That being said, regardless of annoyance about the thread and some directions it went, I think if you read it closely a lot of people made really good comments, so I would disagree a little on it being a complete loss.
And in between that class of total chump that happens to be liberal, I think there is another class of whom we speak that still has not appreciated a vast gray area between good intentions and a larger understanding of the entire what the fuck is going on. I realize that it must be incredibly tiresome to have to deal with this other class on a daily basis, however the occasional interloping of said individuals could actually change the mind of one or two. I do believe one of the Lesleys (it is unclear to me exactly how many there are) seems to have had some sort of conversion due to this brouhaha.
I can take my lumps. I really thought the post would be appreciated.
- March 04, 2007 12:23 PM
- Lesley Plum said...
I do believe one of the Lesleys (it is unclear to me exactly how many there are) seems to have had some sort of conversion due to this brouhaha.
Ha! I get confused myself sometimes.
Between regular commenters at Feministe and Sadly! No!, there's two of us. I'm the regular commenter at Feministe. It was the S!N! Lesley who had the conversion in the IBTP thread.
- March 04, 2007 1:23 PM
- ilyka said...
It was the S!N! Lesley who had the conversion in the IBTP thread.
Did you fall over as dead as I did when that happened?
- March 04, 2007 2:00 PM
- ilyka said...
I thought that people would not take it personally because they wouldn't have been called out by name (i.e. "Sadly, No sucks sandwich")
Aw, you quit flogging yourself right now. I would have thought that myself, actually--and there's no disputing that it WAS an excellent post by Twisty, as usual--except I recalled that this is a crowd that thinks Feministe is too shrill. Not to imply that Feministe is not hardcore, you know, but if you think Feministe is shrill you probably aren't going to feel at home at IBTP.
- March 04, 2007 2:04 PM
Mostly agreed, only that I think that TF always segues into the larger huger all encompassing picture, whereas in other sitches, I think that other certain peoples argue about the picture from particular examples, and sometimes the examples might or might not be the most exemplary (not that anyone should be let off the hook for only being a little bit bad) and of course once someone starts to take it personally, off the rails go the train. Also, the sad part is that people that you think are friends or acquaintances might think that they need the personalized touch, or at least some space to think about how they could be wrong and be able to come back and do so. If you start those deals off with "fuck you" it is lights out.
Also, if you mess up in an IBTP thread, the carne asada tacos you had already planned to make for dinner taste so bitter in your mouth (I learned it the hard way). Or, alternatively the flap meat bought from the carniceria might have been an eensy bit off.
- March 04, 2007 3:45 PM
- Lesley Plum said...
Did you fall over as dead as I did when that happened?
Yes, but I think now all is well in the world. Lesley squared have made peace.
- March 04, 2007 4:58 PM
- Unknown said...
I love this post. Your boyfriend sounds like an awesome guy (and you sound awesome, but duh, I read your blog, obviously I think so).
A few months ago, anyone looking for Feminism 101 I would have sent straight to The Happy Feminist, who awesomely made it a point to stay patient and explain everything possible to people who didn't get it (not that I think everyone should do that--I do read Pandagon--but it was nice to have one around)--she would have made a great intro to feminist blogs. But then she disappeared :(
- March 04, 2007 6:34 PM
- ilyka said...
A few months ago, anyone looking for Feminism 101 I would have sent straight to The Happy Feminist,
I know!! She was so awesome for that!
Has anyone heard from her lately?
Like, I suspect, most het women, I tend to not-my-Nigel when discussing my boyfriend--but obviously he ain't perfect. I had to delete one of his comments here once because (talk about coming full circle) he'd called Ann Coulter a cunt.
Peeve: I can't find the original source for "not my Nigel"--someone somewhere out on the internet had described that as a British feminist phenomenon (though it obviously isn't limited to the UK) in which, when complaints about sexist behavior by guys arose, a woman would pipe up, "Oh, but not my Nigel. My Nigel would never--" etc.
Well, my Nigel would, and does, and thus he occasionally finds a foot in his ass instead of that blowjob he was hoping for.
- March 04, 2007 7:10 PM
A part of me fell over dead and something new was born. (Still an agnostic, though! I credit last night's eclipse whilst reading Twisty's post.)
Re what Pinko said about some people needing space to mull it over as well as face-saving room, Twisty's post helped me come to terms and express that.
On a personal note, I grew up in an angry, violent, cruel, unconscious household (like a lot of other people in our society) and find the world is largely an extension of that place i.e. cynical, back-biting, elitist, cruel, snide, cutting, unforgiving etc. I spend a lot of time buffing the old armour than I do being open and receptive and sensitive to other people's feelings. I'm out of more than in touch with my tender heart a lot of the time. But boy do I bristle and tear up (privately) when someone calls me names!
This said, I do admire the fellows over at SN! and wish I had a tenth of their brain cells and cleverness. They do a pretty good job of humorously skewering wingnuttia and I don't think for a second those guys are sexist, fatist assholes. For all the sandwich and the celery, I think they are good people, and hey, I laugh at the photos. I do. So...
Those guys aren't cruel. I have been. For that I sincerely apologize.
- March 04, 2007 7:37 PM
- ilyka said...
No apology necessary. And I loved the giant celery photo myself.
I'm more disappointed in 'em than outright mad at 'em, I think. But to look on the bright side for a minute, you never know what might happen. A clue might drop out of the sky and fall on one of their heads, and then we can all have a big party with balloons and cake and ice cream.
- March 04, 2007 7:45 PM
- Joolya said...
That was a great post. I've had similar conversations with my (very enlightened male) partner as well.
I also realized a while back that 1) white people, as a rule and as a group, kind of suck and 2) I don't have to take that personally because 3) I often reap the benefits of white privelege so I can handle having my poor wittle white girl ego bruised every now and again by being reminded that non-white people might think I suck sometimes even though I haven't done anything racist that day that I am aware of.
Anyway, sorry, long digression, but that is my parallel for helping the lads understand their place in the new world order.
- March 04, 2007 8:07 PM
- Dr. Alice said...
Feh. I dunno; I tend to side with the man about this. Because, me personally? I can do the "It's not about me" chant for maybe ten seconds, tops and then it's all "F--- this. I'm outta here." Topic notwithstanding.
I'm not claiming this as an attractive personality element, I'm just saying it's me.
- March 04, 2007 8:09 PM
Dr. Alice, knowing your limits and acting accordingly is cool, so what you're saying sounds fine to me.
Having a hissyfit about how others should cater to your limits on their blogs is pretty childish. That's the part people tend to object to.
- March 04, 2007 9:28 PM
I'm new to the feminist blog world, since someone sent me a link to IBTP. But I'm loving every minute of it - as frustrating as it can get - and I deeply appreciate the lack of waffling and bullshitting to protect my emotions. Thanks for pushing me out of my comfortable little world to a place where I'm forced to learn something. Keep up the great blogging.
- March 05, 2007 12:56 AM
- Helen said...
Not only are there about 20 Lesleys, it looks like you have yourself two Helens, too.
I'm the other one (who also usually doesn't log in to comment, since fucking Blogger usually doesn't let me).
In fact, I'm going to claim originality and say that I'm the first, mostly because I'm churlish like that and secondly because I tend to agree with Dr. Alice most of the time.
- March 05, 2007 3:03 AM
- ilyka said...
In fact, I'm going to claim originality and say that I'm the first, mostly because I'm churlish like that and secondly because I tend to agree with Dr. Alice most of the time.
You and Dr. A are most beloved. Of course you can be first.
Dr. has a point right up until it comes to I Blame The Patriarchy, if that makes sense (I know I am waffling here, but I am naturally wafflesome). Meaning: I can overlook it if someone takes a fella by the hand at a feminist blog and says "Here, here, there, there, this is how it is," providing of course he doesn't abuse the favor and be a deliberate pain in the ass (unfortunately, most new-to-feminist-blog guys can't resist the urge to be deliberate pains in the ass).
But you don't under any circumstances pull that nonsense at I Blame The Patriarchy, which I selfishly view as my refuge from entitled assholedom. And Mr. T will back me up on that.
- March 05, 2007 3:56 AM
Whoops, sorry Helen, I'll try to remember to leave a last name or something.
- March 05, 2007 7:33 AM
- Helen said...
Half of the comments on that Mr. T post made no sense to me. I felt like I should be making tacos instead of trying to decipher the code.
And I'm not saying it's ok, but I am saying I understand the hand-holding thing. I'm not trying to stereotype (again) but I do work with a lot of men. Said men often don't think outside of the box (but they do think of boxes.) Said men do see other points of view if you hold them by the hand and use big gestures to show it. Then the point is made.
Sadly No makes me feel dirty. That might be what they're aiming for.
- March 05, 2007 10:25 AM
- Helen said...
Sorry, not to leave duplicate comments, but I meant to include an example of the confusing comments on IBTP-
"Murdoch! You left cake in my van!"
Now, didn't surrealist jokes become uncool in the late 90's, or is it retro enough to come back now?
- March 05, 2007 10:27 AM
- Lesley Plum said...
"Murdoch! You left cake in my van!"
I'm going to guess here that one is a reference to The A-Team. Murdoch was another member of the A-Team, along with B.A. Baracus (aka Mr. T).
Sadly, although I did watch it regularly (or is that the sadly part), the only quote I remember from the show is Hannibal's regular "I love it when a plan comes together!"
- March 05, 2007 10:35 AM
- Generation Next said...
I came over here from reading the comment thread in "I Blame..". This is a great conversation, and really does show the male side and good arguments on both. I want to print this out and reference it whenever I try to have this conversation with someone.
- March 05, 2007 11:05 AM
I fancied myself an open-minded, non-judgemental liberal male, but it wasn't until I started reading feminist blogs several years ago that I really started to how my ideals really stood up against my thoughts and practices. I still do get personally affronted by stufft that I shouldn't take personally, but I have a much better appreciation for the value that brings me.
I think it is very important for most men to inhabit a space where they can not and will not be the center of attention. I have a huge ego. I've played the "I'm not like that card" and have had my ass handed to me. I've gotten mad at some bloggers, stopped reading them while licking my wounds, only to start again when I realized that my wounds were either self-inflicted, really not wounds at all, or caused by someone else.
Also, it's been my experience that sincerely asking for help will usually result in someone helping you. i.e. "I don't get this. Can someone explain further/recommend reading, etc?" Demanding help will bring on the smack-down. Engaging in HS debate tactics will bring on the smack down. It's all about attitude.
Speaking of debate tactics, I loved your "Socrates" smack-down on a recent thread, I forget which one. You described that scenario very well.
- March 05, 2007 11:38 AM
- maiken said...
Ilyka, thanks for the post. This really is a nicely balanced primer for men trying to participate in, or at least understand, feminist forums.
I had the same problem when I naively tried to wade into a discussion on IBTP with only liberal viewpoints in hand. It wasn't pretty. Although your post is great and I wish I had read something like it ahead of time, I have one thing to add:
You repeatedly point out that it is key for male participants / readers simply to realize that they are not (necessarily) being criticized. For example, you say:
"For a new guy the best policy is to lurk, read, get a feel for the place, and just keep chanting: 'It's not about me. It's not about me. It is not about me.'"
This is good advice, but you're glossing over one detail: many naive male readers will assume that feminist complaints are about them because the complaints are written as being about all men, without qualification. It's pretty hard to mentally exclude one's self from such statements.
Here are some examples from a single post-and-discussion at IBTP from a while ago. First Twisty wrote:
Periodically I am forced by circumstance to invoke Germaine Greer's observation that women have no idea how much men hate them.
It was not until many bruised and bleeding years later that I woke up, smelled the coffee, and realized that accepting that men hate women is an indispensable survival skill.
Some comments in that thread:
The ugly comments [...] are a part of a process called testosterone poisoning, by which men are shuffled more hastily (but not hastily enough) off this mortal coil than women by their own ugly juices.
I don't think I hate women, but I do really hate men, and one of the reasons is they hate women.
I discovered in a manner similar to the manner in which Melissa has done, how deeply and menacingly men and boys really do hate women and girls.
... I would have to be convinced "not all men are like {that} )". ALL men are like that, given the chance, given the right siutation, given the 'right' woman...
All of these statements are written about "men", with no qualification. Much (but not all) of the time, the writer means something more nuanced, and if pressed, they will impatiently say "yes, yes, obviously, I don't mean ALL men". But, of course, this is far from obvious from the comments themselves.
Worse, there are some participants at IBTP and elsewhere that really do hold the view that men are intrinsically evil, untrustworthy, violent, or what have you. When everyone writes without qualification, it's impossible to distinguish one group from the other. This makes the matter worse: some people (hopefully most) don't really mean what their writing seems to say, but a few do.
When writers take shortcuts about expressing their precise meaning, I'm not sure it's fair to blame readers for misunderstanding.
Again, great post.
- March 05, 2007 11:55 AM
- Rachel Luxemburg said...
Interesting post and comment thread, but I find myself disagreeing with one of the underlying premises, namely:
We're talking just the way we'd talk, the way we do talk, when y'all aren't around.
Correct me if I am wrong, but are you saying that that it's OK for members of a group to say things in their 'safe space' that they would not say were non-group members in the room? It seems to me that that's saying it's OK to call someone a [insert derogatory phrase here] behind their back, as long as you don't call them one to their face. It seems a bit hypocritical, to say the least.
If there's things you have to say about some group -- any group -- gays, men, latinos, muslims, women, you name it -- and what you have to say about them can't be said in front of them, then there's a problem there. Perhaps the problem is societal, but it could also be that the problem is internal.
- March 05, 2007 12:31 PM
- ilyka said...
Correct me if I am wrong, but are you saying that that it's OK for members of a group to say things in their 'safe space' that they would not say were non-group members in the room?
Definitely not. I'm saying that when men are not around to make it all about themselves, the discussion on feminist blogs is often NOT all about them, and certainly it isn't catered to them. This can be shocking and intimidating to men who literally can't imagine a world not centered on their needs and sensibilities.
- March 05, 2007 12:54 PM
- ilyka said...
To give you an example, fiat:
Many years ago I was walking through a mall with two gay men when we passed a heterosexual couple, the male half of whom was very attractive. One of the men I was with remarked, "I hate women."
Naturally I was a little taken aback by that, but I'm sure you can think of a half-dozen good explanations for what my friend meant rather than the overly literal interpretation that he really, truly, without exception, hated all women everywhere on planet Earth, including me and his own mother.
- March 05, 2007 12:58 PM
- Rachel Luxemburg said...
Ilyka: fair enough. I think it's a fine line at times, though, and the idea of exceptionalism is an easy trap to fall into.
As I said over at Shakes' place, being on the right side of an issue does not give one a license to ignore the norms expected from others.
- March 05, 2007 1:10 PM
- maiken said...
Ilkya, I like your anecdote. If some third party had overheard your friend's comment and shot him a dirty look, would you think they were acting unreasonably? Reacting badly to a comment like "I hate women" would seem perfectly natural to me.
The point I'm trying to make about over-broad feminist condemnation of men is the same: if you go around saying things like "I hate men", you shouldn't be too surprised if some people get upset, even if that's not what you actually meant, and even if you only left out the qualification because it's tedious.
- March 05, 2007 1:30 PM
- maiken said...
Ugh. Blogger has changed my display name mid-stream. "Mark", above, and me are the same. Sorry for the confusion.
- March 05, 2007 1:32 PM
I don't want to stop all hyperbole from ever leaving my mouth and I cannot expect others to do the same. When I hear something possibly hateful towards men or whites or people who put ketchup on hotdogs, 1) I can react as if they hated me (but I buy good hotdogs and cook them tenderly before applying ketchup!). 2) I can acknowledge their anger or frustration and try to better understand their perspective. Or 3) I can ignore them.
I still often immediately react with 1 or 3, because I'm judgmental and egotistical. My goal is to lessen the lag time to get to 2. I credit feminism to a large extent because as a male, I get a whole lot less of a smackdown for being egotistical and judgmental than women often do for just having opinions.
- March 05, 2007 2:06 PM
- belledame222 said...
I started to read that feministe thread and its lead-ins, and my brain, finally, quietly, rose up and said, "No. You will not do this thing. NO MORE VICARIOUS DRAMA. Especially after you missed the boat. Put it down; back awayyy from the car..."
I am just starting to get to the point where I get same-named commenters appear simultaneously. I have two Emilys--actually, now I'm thinking of it, there -might- even be three, just one doesn't comment so much. anyway one of 'em decided that the way to resolve it is that she's the evil one.
what i really hate is when people who have almost the same names keep getting quotes attributed to each other because people were skimming.
- March 06, 2007 10:02 AM
- belledame222 said...
...because, she explained, whereas when it's the same identical name, people tend to laugh it off as an amusing and understandable mistake, when it's like, Jane and June, people are way more likely to get all bent out of shape:
"I am NOT HER! I don't sound ANYTHING LIKE HER! cannot you READ??"
- March 06, 2007 10:08 AM
- ScottM said...
Alas, A Blog, was a good introduction into feminism-- a good beginner's blog. Of course, comment threads are as dangerous there as anywhere-- and your "lurk until you figure out the local culture" should be everyone's default.
- March 06, 2007 12:19 PM
- Dan said...
How odd... I had a nearly identical conversation with my wife just the other day.
We resolved that I'm a pedant who greatly dislikes hyperbole, but that hyperbole is also wrong, since it discredits your original argument.
We further resolved that she'll try to do less hyperbole, and I'll try to react to it less, instead stressing that I do, in fact, agree with her meaning, if not her exact words.
- March 06, 2007 2:51 PM
"You should have a beginner's blog."
You mean like Blind Privilege (which could use some more contributors, actually), Ally Work (racism 101, but still focusing on privileged groups dealing with privilege), or Feminist Allies?
Or perhaps he meant that he needed some easy-to-find primers on feminism and privilege. Such as...
Feminism 101:
Are you a feminist?
Feminism is about Choice
From anti-feminist to feminist
Men Are Not Babies
Privilege 101:
Bias and Privilege
Who teaches you about privilege?
"Check my what?"
And those are just some examples taken from the clearly marked categories on my blog's sidebar.
It's not that these resources don't exist, but rather that -- once again -- it becomes the non-privileged group's responsibility to hand-hold the privileged group. I mean, not only is it not our responsibility to make sure that the privileged people who read our blogs have done their homework, but even when we do go out of our way to provide them with resources they continue telling us to provide them with resources as if it was a new and brilliant idea that no one else thought of.
Right now I'm just hoping that the more posts like yours there are, the easier it will be for people to understand the systems of privilege and how we all contribute to them.
- March 06, 2007 10:28 PM
- TS said...
"If I'm not the problem," I explained, "then why should I get invested in identifying with the problem?"
Because, usually, I am being identified with the "problem". I thought that's what the whole "group identity" thing is about?
If you believe that the "NYT" gives women the right to treat men in a way they would not want to be treated in a discourse, then I'd recommend a chapter of Immanuel Kant instead of Andrea Dworkin for a change.
Something wrong isn't righted because it's done in the name of a good cause. To the contrary, it taints the cause.
And I've hardly ever seen a more condescending title.
Still, thanks for a post that indeed did illustrate a few things.
- March 12, 2007 2:27 AM
I agree with fiat lux and t. schwarz, here.
When Twisty writes about men and "their natural impulse for vicious savagery", it's kind of hard to pretend she's not making a generalization about men. Of course, it's not her place to coddle anyone's precious fee-fees, etc., etc., but this contradicts the notion that men have no standing to claim that said fee-fees have been stepped on.
For instance, "goddamn Jews have all the money", "what did you say?!", "dude, you're poor, I didn't mean you" is, one might think, a conversation betraying a level of anti-Semitism. Or, for example, "black people are thugs", "hey, that's not fair; I'm not a thug!", "yeah, but you're not one of those black people" is racist, and might offend some of those tender fee-fees mentioned earlier.
Note that my examples involve generalizations made about minority or marginalized groups, which inclines me to read that you're saying that it's okay to make this sort of generalization if you're part of an oppressed group, and your target is powerful. That's probably a defensible position, but it's not the argument that you made--you sad that men have no standing to claim that feminists are making generalizations about the foul nature of all men, not that one's privilege mitigates that standing.
- March 12, 2007 12:20 PM
- Starfoxy said...
For those who were wondering about The Happy Feminist- she's finally back.
- March 15, 2007 1:24 PM
Hello. I cruised over from the new Feminism 101 blog, specifically their FAQ page on not hating men ( http://finallyfeminism101.blogspot.com/2007/03/why-do-you-feminists-hate-men.html
) because I saw your quote and felt like responding. Admittedly out of context, but after reading I think the point I want to make is still there.
First, though, I like the concept of the discussion. Showing thought processes and arguments like this is very interesting to me, and enlightening. I'm seeking understanding too, however inexpertly (which is why this post will likely be long.) The point, however, that came to mind is this:
You say 'don't identify with them.' You miss the fact that men are already being identified _with_ them. By saying all men. This is not unlike, although certainly not as institutionalized, as being offended at a stereotype of a woman/black/gay person being treated as the entire class. Men want to keep women down. Men are drunken slobs. Etc. (And no, I don't think popular culture's doing men any favors on those fronts, whether it be TV or just statements in the press.)
Now, patriarchy is a far cry from 'feminist blogosphere' in terms of societal picture and power, but when the feminist blogosphere plays into the heteronormative stereotypes and expected anti-women behavior by treating the stereotypical men like that's how they are, all of a sudden, you're tying right back into the power structure that happens to subtly hurt men while aiming explicitly to hurt women, and playing along with it very nicely. All of a sudden, feminist agrees with society, and the guy who's seeking understanding and trying to keep an open mind gets slammed with the belief that that's how they are from both sides.
It's easy to say that it's all about the guys focusing on them, them, them, and trying to assert privilege and dominance, but that... really doesn't necessarily make it so. It's just a rule of thumb. Once people have started to adapt to their privilege, they should be allowed to examine (or 50) of a behavior critically and determine that, yes, it is about them. An example of this, which I work over in my mind as I try to understand, is in rape discussions, which explicitly discuss the fact that 'Rape is about the rapist (often male), and their choice to rape,' If a guy offers his opinion, however, he tends to a high risk of hitting a 'It's not about you' roadblock, which is contradictory to it... actually being about them. If women are discussing the man-as-rapist, just as if men were discussing the woman-as-homemaker/whore/what-have-you, then it seems that a man(woman), speaking up about it is not an exercise of privilege, but a natural consequence of the topic.
I hope to hear back as to what you (or other contributers) think. Thank you for the forum to discuss such things in.
- March 20, 2007 9:45 AM
Oh, Jesus, I give up. Sorry, but privileged groups and oppressed groups just aren't the same. (I know, it's becasue oppressed groups live on easy street while privileged groups have to deal with the debilatating effects of privilege, which is a nightmare of epic proportions.) Sometimes, you need to just deal with the fact that it isn't all about you and your fee-fees. And STFU and GTFU. Okay? If someone's talking about white guys and they're not talking about you, awesome. Give yourself a cookie instead of pounding on the floor and derailing the conversation and demanding ample praise, an acknowledgement of your specialness and a cookie. Because if you do that, it makes you look like a whiny, privileged, egocentric asshat who's divorced from reality, and that's not the way to dispel the notion that white guys tend to be whiny, privileged, ecocentric asshats who are divorced from reality. Demonstrating that that's not who you are would go a long, long way towards actually dispelling that notion, as would having a clue that people get upset and with good reason. But good job just comparing yourself to someone who's gay, at least you didn't compare yourself to a slave or someone in a concentration camp. Why the hell is this so hard to understand? It's hard to think of someone as a legitimate ally when all he thinks about is himself and the constant watch against any potential, possible slurs on the great white male and how that's JUST THE SAME as....We'll get right on that, but there are a few items on the priority list that come first, yanno?
- April 24, 2007 10:54 PM


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Who are top 5 donors to Obama, Romney campaigns?
WASHINGTON — Who are the biggest donors to the campaigns of President Barack Obama and Republican challenger Mitt Romney? The Associated Press examined more than 2.3 million campaign contributions and ranked the top five financial supporters for each.
The largest declared donor overall is casino mogul Sheldon Adelson, who is worth an estimated $25 billion. He has donated $34.2 million so far to aid Romney and organizations supporting Romney this election.
All five of the top Romney donors gave more money than the top Obama donor, movie producer Jeffrey Katzenberg.
Big-dollar donors can have big influence. They are often invited to state dinners at the White House and other events with the president. They also may be asked to weigh in on public policy, especially if it affects their financial interests. And the ranks of ambassadors, advisory panels and other government jobs traditionally are filled with those who have been generous during the campaign.
Here are the top five Obama donors:
No. 1: Jeffrey Katzenberg, 61, Hollywood film producer and chief executive of DreamWorks Animation.
Total: $2.566 million
Katzenberg is Obama's top donor when tallying his contributions to a "super" political committee, money to Obama's campaign and the money he arranged for others to write for the president. The biggest contributions include $2 million to the Priorities USA Action super PAC. It was founded by former White House advisers and is the key pro-Obama PAC this election cycle. Katzenberg has helped "bundle" more than $500,000 for the president's second term, making him among the campaign's top volunteer fundraisers. He's also given more than $66,000 to Obama's campaign and the Democratic Party. The Hollywood icon has been invited to White House events, including a state dinner. Such high-profile soirées put him in proximity earlier this year to Chinese Vice President Xi Jinping, who signed off on an overseas deal benefiting Katzenberg's studio.
No. 2: Irwin Jacobs, 78, the founder and former chairman of Qualcomm.
Total: $2.122 million
Jacobs has given more than $2 million to pro-Obama super PACs and about $23,000 directly to Obama's campaign and the Democrats. But he's no newcomer to political giving: The billionaire has routinely backed San Diego-area politicians. Some of his local proposals include one backed by San Diego's mayor that would have changed the name of Qualcomm Stadium for 10 days to reflect the cellphone maker's new computer chip.
No. 3 (tie): Fred Eychaner, founder of Chicago-based alternative-newspaper publisher Newsweb Corp.
Total: $2.066 million
Eychaner has given $1.5 million to the Priorities USA Action super PAC. He's also given more than $60,000 to the president's re-election committees, and he's listed as a major "bundler" for Obama, having raised at least $500,000 for the president. Eychaner, a gay-rights activist, also has donated millions to other nonprofit groups, including more than $1 million to the progressive EMILY's List organization. He's visited the White House several times since early 2009, according to records, and Obama appointed Eychaner to the board of trustees of the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts.
No. 3 (tie): Jon Stryker, 54, a Michigan philanthropist.
Total: $2.066 million
Stryker has given $2 million to the Priorities USA Action super PAC and has given $66,000 in contributions to Obama and the Democratic Party. Stryker is the heir to namesake Stryker Corp., the major medical device and equipment manufacturer. Stryker has been active in politics before the 2012 election; he contributed millions to help Democratic candidates statewide. And he also has given nearly $250 million of his personal wealth to groups supporting gay rights and the conservation of apes.
No. 5: Steve Mostyn, 41, a Houston-based personal injury attorney.
Total: $2.003 million
Mostyn has given more than $2 million to the Priorities USA Action super PAC that's helping Obama. Mostyn, the former head of the Texas Trial Lawyers Association, is a major backer of Democratic candidates in the state. He's also sank cash into a Texas political committee that tried unsuccessfully to unseat Gov. Rick Perry two years ago.
Here are the top five Romney donors:
No. 1: Sheldon Adelson, 79, owner of the Las Vegas Sands casino empire.
Total: $34.2 million
Adelson is the largest declared donor to the Romney campaign and supporting political committees, providing more than $34.2 million this election season. He and his wife, Miriam, a physician, have given $10 million to the Restore Our Future, a super PAC backing Romney. Adelson also joined relatives to give $24 million to committees backing former Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich. And he has made public pledges vowing to give $10 million to Karl Rove's American Crossroads super PAC and as much as $100 million this election more broadly to the Republicans. Worth an estimated $25 billion, Adelson oversees the Las Vegas Sands Corp., which runs casino and resort interests in Las Vegas, Singapore and Pennsylvanis, and Sands China Ltd., a cluster of casinos in the Chinese territory of Macau. He would benefit from loosened trade restrictions and a rise in the Chinese currency rate against the dollar. His company devoted $60,000 this year to lobby on tax issues, foreign tourist visas, travel and Internet gambling issues — and has spent $1.86 million lobbying on legislation dealing with China trade, gambling and travel since 2002. A staunch supporter of Israel, he also is a contributor to the Republican Jewish Coalition, which spent $920,000 since 2002 backing bills aimed at pressuring Iran and enhancing U.S. security cooperation with Israel. Adelson's casino company has advised shareholders that it was under investigation by the Justice Department and the Securities and Exchange Commission. Investigators were said to be focusing on the Macau casinos and reports of missing money and possible violations of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.
No. 2: Harold Simmons, 81, owner of Contran Corp., a Dallas-based conglomerate worth an estimated $9 billion that specializes in metals and chemical production and waste management.
Total: $16 million
Simmons is a longtime backer of Republican and conservative causes. He has donated $16 million to the party's efforts this year, including more than $11 million to American Crossroads and $800,000 to Restore Our Future. Simmons and his wife, Annette, also gave $2.2 million to super PACs backing former Republican presidential candidates Gingrich, Rick Santorum and Rick Perry. Simmons has been active in political fundraising since the 1990s and in 2004 was a $4 million backer of the Swift Vets campaign, the Republican-backed effort to discredit Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry's military record in the Vietnam War. Simmons' Titanium Metals Corp. reportedly is a top producer of titanium for weapons and other industrial uses. He also owns a majority stake in Valhi Inc., a Texas-based waste management company, and could benefit from a proposed Nuclear Regulatory Commission rule change that would allow the company's Texas facility to store spent uranium from nuclear power and weapons plants. Contran's subsidiaries have spent $200,000 this year lobbying the NRC, Energy Department, the Senate and House on metals and waste issues, and $4.3 over the past decade.
No. 3: Bob J. Perry, 80, head of a Houston real estate empire worth an estimated $650 million.
Total: $15.3 million
Perry has given about $15.3 million to aid the Romney campaign and allied causes so far this election season. Long active in Texas and national Republican politics, Perry donated nearly $9 million to Restore Our Future and a total of $6.5 million to American Crossroads. Before backing Romney this year, Perry gave $100,000 to the super PAC backing Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who is no relation. Bob Perry was a top "bundler" for former President George W. Bush's campaign and gave big to the Swift Vets and POWs for Truth campaign in 2004, donating $4.4 million to the effort to discredit Kerry.
No. 4: Robert Rowling, 58, head of Dallas-based TRT Holdings.
Total: $4.1 million
Rowling has given at least $4.1 million to Republican Party and candidates this election. Most of his donations, $4 million, went to Rove's American Crossroads, both through personal donations and through his firm. Rowling also has given $100,000 to the pro-Romney Restore Our Future super PAC. Rowling's holdings are worth an estimated $4.8 billion and include Omni Hotels, Gold's Gym and Tana Exploration, his family's oil company. Rowling once told the Texas Tribune he prefers political donations to lobbying efforts.
No. 5: William Koch, 72, an industrialist whose South Florida-based energy and mining conglomerate is worth an estimated $4 billion.
Total: $3 million
Koch has given $3 million to the Restore Our Future, including a $250,000 personal donation and $2.75 million through his corporation, Oxbow Carbon LLC, and a subsidiary, Huron Carbon. Unlike his brothers, Charles and David Koch, who are longtime supporters of Republican and conservative causes, Bill Koch has funded both Republican and Democratic Party candidates in the past. Koch's corporate interests have repeatedly battled against what company officials have decried as government interference. Oxbow spent $570,000 last year on lobbying in Washington, mostly aimed at mining, safety issues and climate change. The company has complained in federal filings about government delays on permits and has raised concerns about administration changes in regulations that would aid collective bargaining.
These rankings by The Associated Press, based on campaign financial reports submitted to the Federal Election Commission, include contributions to super political action committees, presidential campaigns, political parties and joint-fundraising committees. Federal law limits maximum contributions to campaigns, parties and affiliated committees, but federal court rulings have stripped away such limits to super PACs. This analysis excludes secret-but-legal contributions that might have been made to nonprofit groups, which can pay for so-called issue ads that don't explicitly advocate for or against a candidate. Such groups are not required to identify their donors.
Where available, the analysis considered donations "bundled," or raised, from other wealthy donors for Romney and Obama. Obama periodically identifies his bundlers, although Romney has resisted calls to do the same.

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We Are Very Lucky in Oman!
We are very lucky in Oman for having our Beloved His Majesty Sultan Qaboos bin Said!
May Allah SWT Our Lord God Almighty Give him long life and health Ameen!
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All Under One Flag – Feel And Act As One!
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The trio of Peter Brotzmann, Massimo Pupillo (Zu) and Paal Nilssen-Love seriously tearing it up at the Casa del Jazz in Rome, December 2008.
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Format: CD
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Released: 2010
Country: Norway
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Recorded Live at Casa del Jazz, Rome, Italy on Dcember 22, 2008 by Asacnio Cusella.
Peter Brotzmann-alto saxophone, tenor saxophone, gema
Massimo Pupillo-electric bass, siae
Paal Nilssen-Love-drums, tono
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"Born Remscheid, Germany on 6 March 1941; soprano, alto, tenor, baritone and bass saxophones, a-clarinet, e-flat clarinet; bass clarinet, tarogato.
Peter Brötzmann's early interest was in painting and he attended the art academy in Wuppertal. Being very dissatisfied with the gallery/exhibition situation in art he found greater satisfaction playing with semi-professional musicians, though continued to paint (as well as retaining a level of control over his own records, particularly in record sleeve/CD booklet design). In late 2005 he had a major retrospective exhibition jointly with Han Bennink - two separate buildings separated by an inter-connecting glass corridor - in Brötzmann's home town of Remscheid.
Self-taught on clarinets, he soon moved to saxophones and began playing swing/bebop, before meeting Peter Kowald. During 1962/63 Brötzmann, Kowald and various drummers played regularly - Mingus, Ornette Coleman, etc. - while experiencing freedoms from a different perspective via Stockhausen, Nam June Paik, David Tudor and John Cage. In the mid 1960s, he played with American musicians such as Don Cherry and Steve Lacy and, following a sojourn in Paris with Don Cherry, returned to Germany for his unorthodox approach to be accepted by local musicians like Alex von Schlippenbach and Manfred Schoof.
The trio of Peter Brötzmann, Peter Kowald and Sven-Ake Johansson began playing in 1965/66 and it was a combination of this and the Schoof/Schlippenbach Quintet that gave rise to the first Globe Unity Orchestra. Following the self-production of his first two LPs, For Adolphe Sax and Machine gun for his private label, BRÖ, a recording for Manfred Eicher's 'Jazz by Post' (JAPO) [Nipples], and a number of concert recordings with different sized groups, Brötzmann worked with Jost Gebers and started the FMP label. He also began to work more regularly with Dutch musicians, forming a trio briefly with Willem Breuker and Han Bennink before the long-lasting group with Han Bennink and Fred Van Hove. As a trio, and augmented with other musicians who could stand the pace (e.g. Albert Mangelsdorff on, for example, The Berlin concert), this lasted until the mid-1970s though Brötzmann and Bennink continued to play and record as a duo, and in other combinations, after this time. A group with Harry Miller and Louis Moholo continued the trio format though was cut short by Miller's early death.
The thirty-plus years of playing and recording free jazz and improvised music have produced, even on just recorded evidence, a list of associates and one-off combinations that include just about all the major figures in this genre: Derek Bailey (including performances with Company (e.g. Incus 51), Cecil Taylor, Fred Hopkins, Rashied Ali, Evan Parker, Keiji Haino, Misha Mengelberg, Anthony Braxton, Marilyn Crispell, Andrew Cyrille, Phil Minton, Alfred 23 Harth, Tony Oxley. Always characterised as an energy player - and the power-rock setting of Last Exit with Ronald Shannon Jackson, Sonny Sharock and Bill Laswell, or his duo performances with his son, Casper, did little to disperse this conviction - his sound is one of the most distinctive, life-affirming and joyous in all music. But the variety of Brötzmann's playing and projects is less recognised: his range of solo performances; his medium-to-large groups and, in spite of much ad hoc work, a stability brought about from a corpus of like- minded musicians: the group Ruf der Heimat; pianist Borah Bergman; percussionist Hamid Drake; and Die like a dog, his continuing tribute to Albert Ayler, with Drake, William Parker and Toshinori Kondo. Peter Brötzmann continues a heavy touring schedule which, since 1996 has seen annual visits to Japan and semi-annual visits to the thriving Chicago scene where he has played in various combinations from solo through duo (including one, in 1997, with Mats Gustafsson) to large groups such as the Chicago Octet/Tentet, described below. He has also released a number of CDs on the Chicago-based Okka Disk label, including the excellent trio with Hamid Drake and the Moroccan Mahmoud Gania, at times sounding like some distant muezzin calling the faithful to become lost in the rhythm and power of the music.
The "Chicago Tentet" was first organized by Brötzmann with the assistance of writer/presenter John Corbett in January 1997 as an idea for a one-time octet performance that included Hamid Drake and Michael Zerang (drums), Kent Kessler (bass) and Fred Lomberg-Holm (cello), Ken Vandermark and Mars Williams (reeds), and Jeb Bishop (trombone). The first meeting was extremely strong and warranted making the group an ongoing concern and in September of that same year the band was expanded to include Mats Gustafsson (reeds) and Joe McPhee (brass) as permanent members (with guest appearances by William Parker (bass), Toshinori Kondo (trumpet/electronics), and Roy Campbell (trumpet) during its tenure) - all in all a veritable who's who of the contemporary improvising scene's cutting edge. Though the Tentet is clearly led by Brötzmann and guided by his aesthetics, he has been committed to utilizing the compositions of other members in the ensemble since the beginning. This has allowed the band to explore an large range of structural and improvising tactics: from the conductions of Mats Gustafsson and Fred Lonberg-Holm, to the vamp pieces of Michael Zerang and Hamid Drake, to compositions using conventional notation by Ken Vandermark and Mars Williams, to Brötzmann's graphic scores - the group employs almost every contemporary approach to composing for an improvising unit. This diversity in compositional style, plus the variety in individualistic approaches to improvisation, allows the Tentet to play extremely multifaceted music. As the band moves from piece to piece, it explores intensities that range from spare introspection to all out walls of sound, and rhythms that are open or free from a steady pulse to those of a heavy hitting groove. It is clear that the difficult economics of running a large band hasn't prevented the group from continuing to work together since its first meeting. Through their effort they've been able to develop an ensemble sound and depth of communication hard to find in a band of any size or style currently playing on the contemporary music scene."-EFI (European Free Improvisation Pages) (http://www.efi.group.shef.ac.uk/mbrotzm.html)
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"Massimo Pupillo (Ostia - Roma) is a bass and double bass player and composer. Best known for being the bassist of Zu, which produced bio 15 albums with labels like Atavistic / Touch n 'Go (USA), Southern (EU), Heads (JAPAN), Ipecac Records (USA) and numerous singles and split with other labels.
He collaborate in many different (musical and not only) projects, from jazz, to improvisation, avant-garde, noise, taking an interest in movies soundtracks and theater.He has join the stage and the sounds with a very long list of musicians including ... Thurston Moore, Jim O' Rourke (sonic youth), Mats Gustafsson, Paal Nilssen Love, Terrie (Ex), Katia Labeque, Giovanni Sollima, Nicola Tescari, David Chalmin, Chris Corsano, Eraldo Bernocchi and FM Einheit (Einsturzende Neubauten), Uchihashi Kazuhisa, Yoshigaki Yasuhiro, Geoff Farina, Ken Vandermark, Hamid Drake, DJ Olive, Otomo Yoshihide, Amy Denio, Gianni Gebbia, Lukas Ligeti, Fred Lonberg- Holm, Joe Lally e Guy Picciotto (fugazi), Peter Brötzmann, Caspar Brötzmann, Damo Suzuki (Can), Eugene S. Robinson (Oxbow), Steve MacKay (The Stooges), Mieko Suzuki, Oren Ambarchi, Stephen O' Malley and... yes we could go on for a long time..."-Massimo Pupillo Website (http://m.zuism.net/#bio)
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"Paal Nilssen-Love was born in Molde, Norway, Dec 24. 1974, and raised at a jazz club in Stavanger, run by his parents. It was natural to choose his fathers drums as his instrument and jazz as his work. From 1990 on he took actively part in the jazz milieu in Stavanger and joined bands with established musicians such as trumpeter Didrik Ingvaldsen and saxophonist Frode Gjerstad. In many ways, these collaborations were essential as they pointed out the directions for Paal's later musical development and career. During his studies at the Jazz dept at the University in Trondheim, where the first self initiated bands were established, things developed really fast - and Paal was nationally acknowledged at the age of 20.
The forming of the quartet Element in 1993 in many ways represented the start of a new phase in Paal's musical life. Element musically became a platform for several other groups with bassist Flaten and pianist Wiik, and lead to collaborations with Iain Ballamy and Chris Potter, amongst others. Paal moved to Oslo in 1996, where he joined and/or took part in the forming of bands like Vindaloo, SAN, Håkon Kornstad Tio, The Quintet and Frode Gjerstad Trio. He later on got more into self initiated projects and collaborations with Swedish musicians, such as pianist Sten Sandell and saxophonist Mats Gustafsson.
Paal played his first solo concert in 1999, and since then the solo concept has been an important part of his work: "Everyone should try doing some solo work, just to feel who you really are and what gets you going". His solo album "Sticks and stones" was put out in 2001 on SOFA Rec.
Being active in several bands at the same time has always been Paal's deliberate working method. He is constantly conscious about the projects he is in, as his participation in each and one of them is fully dedicated. Playing is not about getting from start to goal, but rather being in an everlasting process, a continuous movement where each new piece of music performed is a prolongation of the latest. Hence, keeping focused and concentrating all energy around what's happening there and then is of greatest importance - as is the freedom in the music, the ability of being free within the expression.
All bands, although various styles and musical versatility in general, represent important pieces that make up a total, and all bands are formed or joined with a clear vision. Today Paal's portfolio includes Atomic, School Days, The Thing, Frode Gjerstad Trio, Sten Sandell Trio, Scorch Trio, Territory Band, FME, and various duo projects such as with reedmen Ken Vandermark, John Butcher, Mats Gustafsson, organist Nils Henrik Asheim and noise wizard Lasse Marhaug. And not to forget the recently joined Peter Brötzmann Chicago Tentet."-Paal Nilssen-Love Website (http://www.paalnilssen-love.com/biography.php)
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1. Roma, I 33:17
2. Roma, II 27:27
3. Roma, III 12:39
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Educators knew the online revolution would eventually envelop the physical classroom, but a torrent of near-revolutionary developments in the past month are proving that change is coming quicker than anyone imagined. In just 30 days, the largest school system in the U.S. began offering credit for online courses, a major university began awarding degrees without any class time required, and scores of public universities are moving their courses online. The point at which online higher education becomes mainstream is no longer in some fuzzy hypothetical future; the next president's Secretary of Education will need an entire department dedicated to the massive transition.
For over a decade, admissions-selective universities (e.g. not the University of Phoenix) resisted giving credit for their overwhelmingly popular online courses. Established with just 50 free online courses as a proof-of-concept, MIT's groundbreaking Open CourseWare project quickly expanded to 1,700 courses through a worldwide consortium of universities in just three years [PDF]. To date, MIT's Open Courseware has a staggering 125 million lifetime visitors. Online education startup Coursera, which added interactive video, homework, and peer learning communities to courses from top-tier universities, has amassed more than 2.5 million users in only nine months since its debut in April 2012.
Then, last month, the California State University System, the financially broken/largest education system in world, swung open the gates, piloting a few online courses for credit, at the super-low cost of $150 per course. Earlier this year, I attempted to predict how California's partnership with online course provider ,Udacity, would succeed and cascade into a movement that would radically replace most of the physical college experience.
I was wrong about one thing: the otherwise scientifically prudent community of higher education didn't wait to see if the pilot was successful. Just three weeks after California's announcement, The American Council on Education, a consortium of roughly 1,800 accredited universities, announced it was also piloting cheap online science courses at three more universities, including Duke and the University of Pennsylvania.
Perhaps most disruptive of all, the University of Wisconsin is offering a fully legitimate college degree without any class time required. So long as students can pass some tests (and pay the associated costs), they can learn from anywhere in the world.
To give readers a sense of how abrupt this change is, online education pioneer and founder of the YouTube-based learning website Khan Academy, Sal Khan, opined about a test-based college degree at Aspen Institute's big-think Ideas Festival two years ago. No one, even those on the cutting edge of digital education, considered that they were talking about the very near future.
The semi-sad impact is that we're acting quicker than we're thinking. It can take years to assess a single course, let alone an entire restructuring of the education system. A review of research by the Department of Education shows pretty definitively that "students who took all or part of their class online performed better, on average, than those taking the same course through traditional face-to-face instruction."
More relevant to the Massively Open Online Community courses (MOOCs) being piloted in higher education, a team of researchers from that replacing a physics teacher with lectures from a Nobel Prize-winning physicist nearly doubled test scores [PDF].
Still, in education it's well-known that successful pilots tend to fall apart upon scaling. Educational experiments work great with the best teachers and students, but they struggle when pilots move beyond the highly dedicated walls of an experiment.
In short, we have almost no idea how this will affect our educational system. What we do know is that the unknown is coming — very, very quickly.


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Today was a curing day on the tiny cottage roof. It was drizzling, a little windy and not a good time to mess around with concrete outdoors. So we worked on other projects like fencing, whey pipe lines and valve setup, putting out the weekly round bales of hay to the herd (two bales) and grower piglets (one bale).
Things are a big wet right now so the pigs go through the hay faster than they do when it freezes up hard and there is less waste. Last winter was warmer than usual and we ended up feeding out more bales than I expected. Fortunately I had bought a few extra. A typical adult pig (around 500 lbs) eats about 800 lbs (one bale) per winter (November through April) as well as using that hay for bedding. I like to use hay rather than wood shavings, saw dust or straw because the hay is edible. In the words of Willy Wonka, "You can even eat the dishes," er, bedding…
Data from last year:
30 round bales x 800 lbs/bale = 24,000 lbs of hay
30 sows x 500 lbs = 15,000 lbs of sows
+ 1 boar x 700 lbs = 700 lbs of boar
+ 10 growers x 100 lbs = 1,000 lbs of growers
Total = 16,700 lbs of pigs
=> 133 lbs of hay consumed per day
=> 1 round bale lasted 6 days on average
=> 144 lbs of hay per winter per 100 lbs of pig
=> 24 lbs of hay per 100 lbs of pig per month
=> 0.8 lbs of hay per 100 lbs of pig per day
=> 500 lb adult pig eats ~4 lbs of hay a day
=> 200 lb finisher eats ~1.6 lbs of hay a day
=> 100 lb grower eats ~0.8 lbs of hay a day
Keep in mind that this is a herd average over many sizes of animals over a long period. In reality the bigger pigs eat a bit more hay per 100 lbs of body weight than the smaller pigs. Bigger pigs have bigger jaws, longer digestive tracts and are better able to digest the hay. That said, even piglets munch down on the hay within a week or so of birth just as they do on grasses and herbs in the pasture during the warmer season. Of course, fresh pastures in the warm months are better than winter hay just as our fresh summer garden veggies and fruit are better than what we can for our own table to keep us eating over the winter.
Note that the wrapped round bales are high quality hay and have more moisture content than the small square bales (about 40 lbs each). In the past we had fed the square bales but over the last few years have been switching to the round bales. See this article from last week about moving the round bales using a chain hook.
Over the course of the winter the pigs eat almost all of the hay and there is little waste. What there is for "waste" goes into the soil of the garden corrals increasing their organic matter content which is good. In the spring the chickens kill off almost all weeds that result so we don't have to waste our time weeding. Then we plant. This turns our marginal Vermont mountain soil into rich organic gardens. Sequencing and timing are important.
The picture at the top is Saturn howling off the coyotes from atop a log pile. Saturn is one of our Livestock Guardian Dogs (LGDs) and he is making sure the local predators know in no uncertain terms that they are not to get near his pigs. Check out Sweetnicks for more weekend dog blogging.
Outdoors: 42°F/31°F Drizzle
Farm house: 64°F/55°F 2 logs
Tiny Cottage: 57°F/48°F curing the roof


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Exploring alternative ways to work in the food industry is a hot topic. Last week in San Francisco a sold out Kitchen Table Talks, a monthly panel showcasing local food folk, featured a discussion about successful edible enterprises that haven't started the conventional route.
Two of the four panelists hailed from Berkeley. Three Stone Hearth's Jessica Prentice, previously profiled on Berkeleyside, talked about her cooperative kitchen model. Cathy Goldsmith represented The Cheese Board Collective.
Beyond the obvious culinary connection, each business is unique. What they have in common? A desire to build community — of workers, artisans, and customers — around their real food ventures.
Case in point: The Cheese Board Collective, which has served as a beloved anchor institution in Berkeley's Gourmet Ghetto for more than 40 years.
Goldsmith, who has a restaurant background, has been a worker-owner at The Cheese Board for 16 years. She likes to say that the collective got going "back in the day" and people who work there do everything "from soup to nuts." What that means is the 52-year-old finds herself serving cheese one day, rolling out dough the next, dealing with health insurance and other human resource issues on another, along with stocking bread bags, sweeping floors, and scrubbing toilets.
Goldsmith also tends to do the collective's media outreach, though she declined to be photographed for this story because, perhaps fittingly for a collective owner-worker, she wanted the spotlight to be on the group — which numbers more than 45 — not on any one individual.
The Cheese Board opened in 1967, when revolution was in the air, in the slip of a space that now houses The Juice Bar Collective. On the first day of business, original owners Sahag and Elizabeth Avedisian grossed less than a hundred bucks after an initial investment of just a few hundred dollars on cheese. The couple began selling a selection of high-quality cheeses in stark contrast to the massive orange blocks wrapped in plastic that passed for American cheese then.
How times have changed. And we're not just referring to the fact that worker-owners no longer streak naked across the median strip (as they did, legend has it, "back in the day.") Today, the store sells 300 to 400 goat, sheep, and cow milk cheeses from all over the world, including many artisan American offerings. The store also sells its trademark sourdough baguette and baked goods, such as scones, muffins, cookies, and chocolate things, as well as focaccia, rolls, challah, and other breads.
The Avedisians, who had worked on a kibbutz in Israel, wanted to run a democratic shop where all the workers were owners and shared the wealth. So in 1971 the couple converted the business to a collective, bringing their six employees into the fold as equal partners. To this day, a new employee earns the same hourly pay as one who has been with the cooperative since the beginning. Elizabeth Avedisian, now in her 80s, still does two shifts a week at the store, without fanfare. Her ex-husband Sahag, who left the collective and the Bay Area years ago, passed away in 2007.
Over time, batches of freshly baked bread were added to the shop's repertoire, followed by pizza in 1985. The store moved from its original location on Vine Street to its current Shattuck Avenue spot in 1975. It has expanded twice since then. In 1986 the collective acquired the space vacated by Pig-by-the-Tail Charcuterie, which now houses the pizzeria. In 1990 the group expanded when the fish market next door went out of business.
The Cheese Board Pizza Collective operates as its own business, though the pizzeria and the cheese store operate under the same corporate by-laws. Wholly owned by its members, the business is incorporated for tax and liability reasons. All members have equal say in business decisions and are eligible for the same benefits. Profits are used to buy new equipment or maintain existing infrastructure, raise wages, and contribute to retirement funds. In keeping with the collective's left-wing, pro-labor politics, the store is closed on May 1st, International Workers' Day. The collective with a social justice conscience routinely donates food to places that feed the needy — including Food Not Bombs — and hands out free sandwiches to the homeless.
Goldsmith declined to give hard numbers on the store's financial health, saying simply that business is "fine." She pointed to the heady dotcom days of the early 2000s as particularly good times. Over the decades, the store has dealt with varying nutritional whims where bread and cheese are concerned, including the Atkins diet, carbo-loading, and low-cholesterol regimens, along with fluctuations in the commodity markets for dairy, flour, and corn, which impact their operating costs.
The Cheese Board has nurtured other food collectives, and spawned another baked goods and pizza cooperative, Arizmendi Bakery, which opened in Oakland in 1997. The Cheese Board crew, which wanted to promote their way of doing business without expanding into franchises, shared all its recipes and even its sourdough starter with this nascent bakery. Since then four other Arizmendi stores have opened their doors in the Bay Area.
In 2003, with the release of The Cheese Board Cookbook: The Collective Works, the counterculture entrepreneurs shared their popular recipes with the public.
Goldsmith, who lives in central Berkeley, offers other examples of the collective's community-mindedness. On a day of protests against the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003, during the tenure of George Bush Jnr., the collective voted to close the store — on a Saturday no less, the busiest day of the week. Instead, members baked mini scones and made peace signs from dough and set up shop outside the North Berkeley BART station, where they dispensed the baked goods for free to residents on their way to the march. Once the scones were all spoken for, they headed to the anti-war rally themselves.
When the September 11 2001 attacks happened, people spontaneously started pouring into the store, said Goldsmith, not to buy cheese, just to be together during a very dark day. Likewise, the store showed its support in 2008 for then-campaigning Barack Obama by offering specials on "swing state" cheeses.
Such community kindnesses and civic engagement is rewarded by a loyal clientèle. In 2007, the group celebrated its 40th year at a dinner at Chez Panisse, which celebrates its own 40th next month. The chefs volunteered their time, and Alice Waters refused to accept payment for the meal, Goldsmith told the Kitchen Table Talks crowd. It was Waters' way of giving thanks for the thriving business across the street on Shattuck Avenue that paved the way for others, like herself, to set up budding food enterprises in an area now dotted with restaurants, cafés, and fine-food purveyors.
Sarah Henry is the voice behind Lettuce Eat Kale. You can follow her on Twitter and become a fan of Lettuce Eat Kale on Facebook.
West Berkeley photographer Christina Diaz likes to shoot life as it happens.
The best pizza in Berkeley? Our readers decide [06.10.11]
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Out in Berkeley: Delectable blues with Cheese Board Pizza [4.21.11]
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Freux on Feb. 23, 2008
So! After.. 11 months.. .__.;;;
.. AN UPDATE. You'd think after all that time, I would be BETTER, but apparantly I'm a bit out of practice. I even used a ruler!
royduncan100 at 6:39AM, June 3, 2008
shino at 9:01AM, April 1, 2008
^w^ i love your work its so CUTELY AWESOME!!!
Evil_Snuffkin at 2:09PM, March 3, 2008
Poor goat. *sniff*
sifueagle at 8:57AM, Feb. 27, 2008
Very fluid line work. Someones' always trying to one's goat.
n_y_japlander at 11:32PM, Feb. 25, 2008
(OO) poor little goat!!! LOL!!!! Great page!
Dockworker at 4:47AM, Feb. 25, 2008
God, I havn't done this in nearly a year now.... FAAAAAaaaaaRRRRRRRRRRRooooooooooooooook sss! Glad your back!
celrena at 11:19PM, Feb. 24, 2008
HAHAH He got goated ! :o FRoooooo *glomps*
Rina_ran at 8:36PM, Feb. 24, 2008
The lil donkeys eh.... o_0 lol
Azaeziel at 6:07PM, Feb. 24, 2008
Awesome page! You're a great artist and I'm glad to see another page from you! Goated! heheh... (Little Donkey? Hmmm...) =3
man in black at 4:55PM, Feb. 24, 2008
welcome back
machiavelli33 at 2:00PM, Feb. 24, 2008
Also, being "goated with vengeance" sounds disgusting.
machiavelli33 at 1:59PM, Feb. 24, 2008
Whoa. Another update. Whoa. WHOA. Well done, girl.
Kadiro_Kapira at 1:32PM, Feb. 24, 2008
Who just hurls goats like that???
MonkeyMafia at 12:51PM, Feb. 24, 2008
Goated with a vengeance!
dreamwatcher at 12:47PM, Feb. 24, 2008
lol he got goated!
Darwin at 9:24AM, Feb. 24, 2008
Heya Freux! WB!! Another great page! Long time in the waiting, but certainly worth it! Hoping to hear more from you!
Peipei at 1:15AM, Feb. 24, 2008
Oooo pretty :3 I haven't read this comic in like a year xD still looking good tho :)
Freux at 1:00AM, Feb. 24, 2008
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acadia at 12:51AM, Feb. 24, 2008
If all this is happening, then how in HELL did you end up on Zac's side?


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Each new academic year brings me challenges, changes and excitement in ways that I often cannot anticipate. Once again our library shelves have been dusted, collections prepared, digital tools sharpened, and our motivation is running high. Yet the one point of predictability is that the learning landscape refuses to 'be still'! When it comes to literacy, information and life-long learning, the pulsing energy of change powers the curriculum of learning throughout the year at breakneck speed.
Before the year had hardly got underway there were already several indicators that confirmed that education should never be what it was when you were at school. For example YouTube told us:
Since the dawn of YouTube, we've been sharing the hours of video you upload every minute. In 2007 we started at six hours, then in 2010 we were at 24 hours, then 35, then 48, and now…60 hours of video every minute, an increase of more than 30 percent in the last eight months.
Never mind that the 'dawn of YouTube' was February 2005, which was just 10 short years after Larry Page and Sergey Brin first met at Stanford University, and before Google was a twinkle in their eye.
We saw the launch of iBooks for education, and iBooksAuthor which promised to challenge the textbook environment in schools by allowing teachers and students to create interactive content for iPads. Following the unveiling of iBooks 2 Apple saw an incredible 350,000 textbook downloads in in the first three days after launch.
We also saw the new twist on Google+ which finally allowed both nicknames and full-fledged pseudonyms to be used. We got confirmation once again that game-based learning had more to offer than novelty interest. When online gamers topped scientists' efforts to improve a model enzyme using the online game Foldit (University of Washington in Seattle) a milestone in crowd-sourced research was achieved.
While all schools are now involved in technology integration, laptop programs of some kind, and even iPads for 1:1 programs, it is astounding to think about the myriad ways the core tools and learning opportunities of the 21st century have indeed become extraordinary.
This is the socially connected era of mobile devices where interaction is key, and where mobile phone cameras are replacing point-and-shoot cameras to provide visual connection to the conversations. Audio and video media are more and more available online and always accessible in contrast to a disk or separate device designed for single purpose use. While some schools (or systems) lag in adopting the tools of today, students generally do not, making this is part of the overall challenge for information professionals.
Both librarians in your public or corporate library, and your teacher librarians in your school library can have a vital role to play in today's interactive knowledge environments as knowledge building, literacy and communication in action takes many forms, shape-shifting before our eyes. This digital information ecology demands a new knowledge flow between content and digital connection in which expert professionals understand reading and information seeking in a connected world. In other words, the time for libraries is now!
For schools, all this sounds very much like an environment that is best understood and interpreted by teacher librarians who are passionate about their library's role in the learning culture of their school. It sounds like the perfect space for teacher librarians who are up-to-date with social media, and who already understand the portable, personal web, focused on the individual, on life-stream, on consolidating content, that is powered by widgets, apps, drag-and-drop, and 'mash-ups' of user engagement.
Print materials are no longer at the core of the school library reference collection, the non-fiction collection, or the information search process. Students use technology to research online, anytime, anywhere. School libraries that adapt to the digital needs of their students not only continue to build a reading culture in the school, but provide the divergence and convergence in media needed to provide the materials for motivation, differentiation, collaboration and connections necessary for 21st century learning in the multiple and diverse ways of a true expert.
Put bluntly, the era of the iPad and other mobile/hand-held devices have changed school libraries forever, but have made the role of the teacher-librarian within the whole school community the most important leadership role there is!
Lisa Oldham, Development specialist for school library futures at the National Library of New Zealand, discusses the future of school libraries in the knowledge economy.Vodpod videos no longer available.
Let's make 2012 the best ever for our libraries!
Image: cc licensed ( BY SD ) flickr photo shared by heyjudegallery
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ORLANDO. Fla. – FDLE Cyber crimes investigators say every time a consumer posts a smart phone photo to sites like Instagram, Tumblr, Snapchat and Yahoo, that photo is "tagged" with an electronic finger-print packed with information that could lead a thief or predator to your child's school, playground or even your home.
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Special Agent Steve Brenton says the GPS setting for smart phone cameras including iPhone and Android models provide a "geo-location" that allows anybody to track "exactly where that photograph was taken."
The information is precise including the exact longitude and latitude of the location where the shot was taken. Those electronic bread crumbs are called XF-Data.
Shelly Bruskotter and her three sons Hayden, Presley and Jensen discovered hundreds of family photographs with a trail of locations laid out on a Google map from California to Florida.
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All three boys ages 6,9 and 11 have a smartphone and they post photographs.
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"Bad guys know the social networking sites and social media sites that kids are going to," Brenton says."They spend more time on the computer than the kids do, just to find the kids on these social networking sites."
Each smart phone has a different setting to disconnect the GPS mode.
With iPhone simply go to settings and go to the camera app. then hit privacy and finally the locations services setting. Go to camera and change the setting from on to off.
Each Android model is slightly different.
I own the Samsung Galaxy 3. Click on to your camera app. Then click the icon to the left. It will read edit shortcuts. From there hit the settings icon in the top left corner. Scroll down to GPS TAG and turn it off.
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By James Kwak
economics life there's a basic conceptual distinction between a flow and a stock. A flow is a something that occurs over some period of time, like water pouring from a faucet into a bathtub. A stock is something that exists at a specific moment of time, like the water in that bathtub. You measure a flow over a period of time (e.g., gallons per minute); you measure a stock at a specific moment in time (e.g., gallons). For a business, the income statement (revenues and costs in a year) measures flows, while the balance sheet (assets and liabilities) measures a stock. That's why the income statement is dated for a year (or a quarter) and the balance sheet is dated for a specific day. Everyone understands this. If you didn't, you would get confused between your salary and your bank account.
But not David Brooks.
In today's self-indulgently contrarian column, Brooks argues that the Occupy Wall Street movement is made up of "small thinkers." Here's his evidence:
"They will have no realistic proposal to reduce the debt or sustain the welfare state. Even if you tax away 50 percent of the income of those making between $1 million and $10 million, you only reduce the national debt by 1 percent, according to the Tax Foundation. If you confiscate all the income of those making more than $10 million, you reduce the debt by 2 percent. You would still be nibbling only meekly around the edges."
This is incoherent to begin with. Tax policy directly affects flows, not stocks, so its impact on the national debt (a stock) is indeterminate unless you specify a length of time for the policy to be in place.
If you look at the Tax Foundation report, it says that those two policies would increase taxes by $306 billion. The Tax Foundation doesn't even say in what year that would happen, but they link to a series that ends in 2009, so let's say they're using 2009 data. In 2009, GDP was $14.1 trillion, so $306 billion is 2.2 percent of GDP.
Now let's apply that to the CBO baseline. Right now, my updated CBO-style baseline shows national debt at 61 percent of GDP in 2021 and 59 percent in 2035. If you add 2.2 percent of GDP to revenues in every year beginning in 2012, those numbers fall to 44 percent in 2021 and 5 percent in 2035 (a reduction in the debt of 54 percentage points, or 92 percent). In other words, the entire long-term deficit problem goes away.
If you prefer to use the CBO alternative scenario (in which, among other things, the Bush tax cuts are made permanent), my updated alternative scenario shows the debt at 80 percent of GDP in 2021 and 142 percent in 2035. Increase revenues by 2.2 percent of GDP and those number become 63 percent and 91 percent. These are big, big differences—a lot more than "1 percent" and "2 percent" and "nibbling meekly around the edges."
Saying these tax changes would reduce the deficit by 3 percent (that's 1 percent + 2 percent, by the way) is a mistake that guts the rest of the column, which is based on the idea that major tax increases on the rich wouldn't matter. It doesn't surprise me that David Brooks can't do basic math, but doesn't he have a fact checker? Or at least an editor?
The people at the Tax Foundation, I assume, are not innumerate. David S. Logan, the person who wrote the analysis that Brooks cites, must have realized that, when you open the tap further, you can't estimate how much the water level in the bathtub will increase without specifying how long the tap will be open.* But their job is to come up with analyses that prove what they want to prove and hope that journalists will take the bait. Every so often one does.
Now, I don't think we should have a 100 percent effective tax rate on people who make more than $10 million. But the idea that increasing taxes on the rich will have a minimal impact on the national debt is pure innumeracy. David Brooks may have something valuable to say about, well, I don't know, but something else. But why is the Times letting someone who doesn't understand arithmetic write about budgetary issues and the national debt?
* At least I assume he knows it. His bio says that he is in a Ph.D. program in business economics at Washington University, a school where they know their math. (When I was in the Math Olympiad Program one of the teaching assistants was a student there.)


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Some of the zip codes we deliver in Houston are: 77001, 77002, 77003, 77004, 77005, 77006, 77007, 77008, 77009, 77010, 77011, 77012, 77013, 77014, 77015, 77016, 77017, 77018, 77019, 77020, 77021, 77022, 77023, 77024, 77025, 77026, 77027, 77028, 77029, 77030, 77031, 77032, 77033, 77034, 77035, 77036, 77037, 77038, 77039, 77040, 77041, 77042, 77043, 77044, 77045, 77046, 77047, 77048, 77049, 77050, 77051, 77052, 77053, 77054, 77055, 77056, 77057, 77058, 77059, 77060, 77061, 77062, 77063, 77064, 77064, 77065, 77066, 77067, 77068, 77069, 77070, 77071, 77072, 77073, 77074, 77075, 77076, 77077, 77078, 77079, 77080, 77081, 77082, 77083, 77084, 77085, 77086, 77087, 77088, 77089, 77090, 77091, 77092, 77093, 77094, 77095, 77096, 77097, 77098, 77099, and many more zip codes.
To speak with an associate, call the store at (713)695-4939, or visit our local medical supply store showroom at 4306 Fulton St, Houston, TX 77009.