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By Chris Lawrence
Her voice is tiny and soft but has the strength of a survivor.
Nabila ur-Rehman, 9, has come to Washington to talk about how she survived a U.S. drone strike on her neighborhood in Pakistan.
"I saw in the sky that it became dark, and I heard a 'dum-dum' noise. Everything became dark, and I couldn't see my grandmother, couldn't make out anything," she told CNN through an interpreter.
Nabila's family said her grandmother, Momina Bibi, was killed in that strike.
"I saw two missiles come down and hit, and at that moment, everything went dark," said Nabila's brother, Zubair, 13. "I just remember seeing an explosion and everything became dark, maybe because of the smoke from the drone."
Zubair said he could hear his grandmother screaming but could not see her. He was injured.
"Later, I found out that my grandmother was blown to pieces and then I felt like I was on fire. I was in a lot of pain, later I found that piece of shrapnel was found in my leg," Zubair told CNN.
Nabila was 8 at the time and talks about the pain and confusion in the minutes after the strike.
"My hand was hurt, and when I was looking at it, there was blood coming out. And I tried wiping it away with my shawl, but it just kept coming out. I was just really scared and didn't know what to do," she said.
The children and their father have come from Pakistan to tell their stories to members of Congress.
They are hoping it will influence lawmakers to curtail the number of drone strikes in Pakistan, specifically in North Waziristan where the family lives.
That area is mostly controlled by militant groups and operates outside the laws of Pakistani security forces. It is where the United States conducts its most intensive drone campaign, against the Pakistani Taliban and al Qaeda operatives.
Amnesty International says the drone strikes in question, in October 2012, killed the children's grandmother and 18 other civilians.
In 317 reported drone strikes carried out in the country since 2008, 2,160 terrorists and 67 civilians have been killed, according to a report from the Pakistani Defense Ministry.
It may not be complete though. The report says no civilians were killed in 2012.
The U.S. government does not comment on individual drone strikes, citing the sensitivity of intelligence matters.
But the Obama administration says the United States is not violating any international laws.
"The administration has repeatedly emphasized the extraordinary care that we take to make sure that counterterrorism actions are in accordance with all applicable laws," White House spokesman Jay Carney said.
Beacon Strategies Jeremy Bash said the situation is combat.
"And occasionally in combat, sadly and unfortunately, there are times targets are injured and killed. But the intended target in every single one of these operations is a terrorist, or a terrorist training camp," he said.
Bash is a former national security official in the Obama administration who worked for Leon Panetta at both the CIA and Pentagon.
He said there are cameras mounted on drones, and if the operators see that women or children may be impacted by the strike, the mission is scrubbed.
"And one of the ways this operation is so effective is that it can be called off at the very last moment, just as the weapon is about to impact. A missile can be diverted if a child or a woman comes into the shot," Bash explained.
He also said in that lawless part of Pakistan, there is no good alternative to using drones.
"We can't send in tanks. We can't bombard the place with artillery. We can't send in B-2 bombers," he said.
The family of Momina Bibi said she was an innocent victim.
"I couldn't see my mom's face. She was blown to pieces. Whatever remains that they could find, they just put in a box, and that's what we had to bury," Rafiq ur-Rehman said.
Rafiq is Nabila and Zubair's father, a teacher who was working at school when his mother was killed.
He said the U.S. government has given his family no explanation about what happened.
"I've seen President Obama come on TV and say with conviction the American government will continue to use drones. I don't understand why it happened to us. We don't know why they continue, and why it killed my mother and injured my children. We aren't causing harm to anyone," he said.
In May, President Barack Obama publicly revealed the guidelines for using lethal drone strikes overseas.
He said there had to be an imminent threat, no hope of capture, and near certainty that civilians would not be harmed. Rafiq said statements like that motivated him to come to the United States and tell his family's story.
"That's why I came here. I am a teacher and I want to educate, let Americans know that this is hurting innocent people, and there are other ways to find solutions and bring peace," he said.
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If the drone attacks are legitimate combat, then those carrying out the attacks are legitimate targets. Many of the Military people piloting the drones live in civilian settings. The unavoidable casualties of civilians near our targets, would be the same as those killed in an attack on drone pilots when they are out shopping for groceries or picking their kids up from day care.
aww...look at the cry babies pakis...they whine and come with their hand out to US...they complain of drones..?? what is their explanation to all the export of terror from their cesspit...? how about them hiding world's most wanted terrorist osama..??? how about taking bilions for US to plan attacks on US in afghan..??? ....no wonder no one takes the sob stories of these pakis seriously...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It appears that some Tea Partier usurped my name to post that garbage above just to make me look just as stupid as he is! Evidently, he doesn't even have the guts to use his own screen name!!!!!!!!!!!
This proves that Obama and his right-wing cronies need to be indicted and prosecuted for crimes against humanity at the ICC. What happened to this girl and her grandmother is uncalled for to say the least. I get so aggravated at all these unfeeling, ignorant people here who keep on belching out what a "wonderful" job these monsters are doing! Enough is enough!
Apartheid Israel is the biggest terrorist state in the Middle East.
Dear Nabila and Zubair,
We are sorry grandmother was hit by a drone strike.
This has happened because Pakistan harbors and protects Islamic terrorists like Bin Laden and Zawahiri along with hundreds of thousands of their fighters against all International and United Nations laws. Almost always when someone iget's hit by a drone stike, 99.5% of the times they are helping some Islamic Jihadi.
Quite wrong, Nukazil. These people had to suffer because some jokers in Washington are both trying to be politically "correct" and work for the all powerful M.I.C. in order to get their kickbacks! As long as these heinous drones strikes remain politically popular, they will go on and on! I myself truly am sorry for what this girl had to endure as most of these disgusting warmongers here couldn't possibly care less!!!
All these ignorant comments here praising these ungodly drones especially after what happen to this girl and her grandmother truly make me sick to my stomach! How would any of these ignorant fools feel if someone in their family got slaughtered by one of these monsters? I guess they don't have the guts to answer that.
Hmmm, lets see how many times you can violate a nuclear armed nations airspace, kill its population and not face retaliation at some level. You are only encouraging more attacks against the west.
The use of Pakistani airspace by U.S. drones is fully coordinated with Pakistani authorities genius...hence ZERO "attacks" either conventional or nuclear by Pakistan on U.S. personnel or bases in Afghanistan or any sort of public "outrage" by Pakistani governmental officials be it at the U.N. or in the media. This "cooperation" has been going on since 9/11...
Of course it has, Trevor. Pres. Bush sent his envoy Richard Armitage over to Pakistan shortly after 9/11 and threatened Pervez Mustaffa that Bush will literally bomb Pakistan back into the stone ages if that country failed to play ball with him. This is how Washington does business!
WERT- Bush didn't "threaten" Pakistan...get a grip. BTW, 17 years active duty USAF and was deeply involved in the C2 planning going into Afghanistan and there weren't any "plans" on the table for airstrikes in Pakistan is they didn't "play ball"...get of whatever you're smoking right now before any further crap comes out of your mouth...
Trevor, WERTWERT32452345 is correct. You were asleep when the news broke or on kool-aid.
david- That was a "he said/she said" issue in which President Musharraf told 60 Minutes that Armitage made this statement to Gen. Mahmoud Ahmad. Just because one side claims the statement was made, doesn't make it true, and coupled with the FACT that I know no plans were on the table to execute and therefore backup this "claimed" statement, I'll stick to my previous claim. You, on the other hand being only privy to what the open source news media gets their hands on can stick with yours...
Pakistan is a state sponsor of terror, and is the epicenter of terrorism in the world.
We need MORE drones, not less !!
Thank you anna, for your display of sheer ignorance. How would you feel if any member of your family was to be on the receiving end of one of those ungodly machines hurling 500 lb. bombs? Not too good, I expect. Then why do you think that it's alright to kill others with these monsters?
You are out of your mind Anna. It is people like you who encourage terrorism. It is USA together with its crony Israel which are the terrorist states. Get real – baby....
Thank you both, George and Khalid. It's the kind of ignorance displayed by anna above that is the biggest threat this country faces! We need to start a "war on ignorance" if this country is to survive. Besides, how many people here care about Nabila and her grandmother? Very few do! This kind of ignorance along with the lack of passion exhibited by these right-wing bloggers here is totally disgusting!
As Nabila ur-Rehman tells her story, just how many people on Capitol Hill will listen? Unfortunately, these right-wing thugs couldn't care less about what happened to this girl's grandmother let alone the countless other victims of those ungodly drone attacks as long as they receive their kickbacks from the powerful war lobby!!!
"And occasionally in combat, sadly and unfortunately, there are times targets are injured and killed. But the intended target in every single one of these operations is a terrorist, or a terrorist training camp," he said.
...so, you basically called the kids and the old woman targets, and/or terrorists? Plus you were also sarcastic at the same time?
No smart one, what is being alluded to was what is referred to as collateral damage. They love hiding among (and using) civilians, so every so often these kinds of tragedies inevitably occur.
The minute that missile hits an innocent civilian, that becomes a criminal action. That is the Israeli fashion, to blame the victim for hitting their missiles.
Obama needs to be arrested for war crimes.
All those shouting for SHARIA law must be arrested for war crimes. My guesstimate is around 80% of your believers, RIGHT.
Gee Ibn Batuta, do you truly harbor that much hate? I feel sorry for you if that's the case! Yes, Barack Obama is truly a war criminal but won't be prosecuted since the spineless ICC is afraid of the right-wing thugs in Washington! He'll go back to Illinois in 2017 and live like a king thereafter!
Thank you, RogueState. I couldn't have said it better!!!
Kill Man, Woman, Infant
"Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." (I Samuel 15:2-3)
Complete ownership of the authority to direct such actions...next.
So you use a Bible verse to argue that it's ok the murder innocents? You're just as bad-and wrong- as the Islam extremists if you truly believe that. You are no 'virgin mary,' she is a symbol of life and creation. You just want to destroy. Read a book other than The Bible. "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."
Please whoever you are, if you have to spew that right-wing nonsense of yours on this web page, could you use a different screen name? Using "VIRGIN MARY" above is truly a sacrilege and is quite blasphemous, especially if you try to justify the death and destruction bought above by these monster drones! Please, cut it out, will you?
All 911 truth seekers.http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/wrh_9-11_index.php
AlQuaeda;s top leader Alzawahri claimed that they will carry out more strikes like 9/11.
Keep up the good work. Kill all these evil terrorists. Drones are the best.
Kill All Unbelievers
"And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God..." (Deuteronomy 13: 5)
"If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;" (Deuteronomy 13: 6)
"Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people." (Deuteronomy 13:8-9)
"Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword." (Deuteronomy 13:15)
Muslims killed Christian and Jewish grandmothers on Sept 11. Now it is time for Muslim grandmothers to die.
Moses' Mass Murder
"Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." (Numbers 31:16-18)
Taliban killed more than 50000 PAKISTANIS. Its better to kill them before they kill more.
Taliban cut the wombs of pregnant women in SYRIA. Now adays USA is arming Taliban to fight against Syrian regime.
Talibans and AlQuaeda were created and armed by USA in 1980. They were supported by USA until 1988 to fight against USSR.
Taliban are now supported by USA in Syria to fight against Syrian regime. In 2012 USA transported Taliban from Pakistan.
Today the same Taliban are killing christians in Syria.
Taliban are cutting the wombs of pregnant women in Syria. But now USA want to support them again.
Sad story is sad.
Keep the drones flying, killing terrorists.
That is all.
You are right. Taliban killed 50000 Pakistanis.
USA armed and transported Taliban from Pakistan to Syria to fight against Syrian regime. These Taliban are now cutting the wombs of pregnant women.
USA armed Taliban in 1980 – 1988 and again they are arming Taliban in Syria 2012 -2013 onwards
Can you explain what DRIVES TALIBAN??? It is ISLAM.
Those innocent death are because those who vote on those issues for those attacks to take place. Murderers
this article is typical, lame CNN left wing BS liberalism rhetoric garbage. Please spare us CNN
I'm baffled by your reply to this article. If this is left wing Liberal garbage, wouldn't it be patting Obama, their giant bacon of Liberal, on the back?
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31 So Moses and Eleazar the priest did as the Lord commanded Moses.
32 The plunder remaining from the spoils that the soldiers took was 675,000 sheep, 33 72,000 cattle, 34 61,000 donkeys 35 and 32,000 women who had never slept with a man.
36 The half share of those who fought in the battle was:
337,500 sheep, 37 of which the tribute for the Lord was 675;
38 36,000 cattle, of which the tribute for the Lord was 72;
39 30,500 donkeys, of which the tribute for the Lord was 61;
40 16,000 people, of which the tribute for the Lord was 32.
not sure what your point is
Not sure how this relates in any way to the article. But it is particularly enlightening that 61000 donkeys never slept with a man. Good talk...
To Popseal,
Let us study the history and correct your record:-
The Twenty (or so) Worst Things People Have Done to Each Other:
Rank -Death Toll -Cause –Centuries-Religions/Groups involved*
1. 63 million Second World War 20C (Christians et al and Communists/atheists vs. Christians et al, Nazi-Pagan and "Shintoists")
2. 40 million Mao Zedong (mostly famine) 20C (Communism)
3. 40 million Genghis Khan 13C (Shamanism or Tengriism)
4. 27 million British India (mostly famine) 19C (Anglican)
5. 25 million Fall of the Ming Dynasty 17C (Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, Chinese folk religion)
6. 20 million Taiping Rebellion 19C ( Confucianism, Buddhism and Chinese folk religion vs. a form of Christianity)
7. 20 million Joseph Stalin 20C (Communism)
8. WW1 and WW2 wars genocide (Christians vs Jews)
9. 17 million Timur Lenk 14C-15C
10. 16 million Atlantic Slave Trade 15C-19C (Christianity)
11. 15 million First World War 20C (Christians vs. Christians)
12. 15 million Conquest of the Americas 15C-19C (Christians vs. Pagans)
13. 13 million Muslim Conquest of India 11C-18C
14. 10 million An Lushan Revolt 8C
15. 10 million Xin Dynasty 1C
16. 9 million Russian Civil War 20C (Christians vs Communists)
17. 8 million Fall of Rome 5C (Pagans vs. Pagans)
18. 8 million Congo Free State 19C-20C (Christians)
19. 7½ million Thirty Years War 17C (Christians vs Christians)
20. 7½ million Fall of the Yuan Dynasty 14C
Now you can see Islamic aggression and barberry?? you are another Stoopid brainwashed American????.
Get your facts straight. None of those events you mentioned happened because of what the Christian doctrine teaches. In fact they happened in spite of what the Christian doctrine teaches, not because of it. In complete contrast only Islam kills because of what their doctrine teaches.
You're right, pretty sad how folks can't seem to comprehend that people can "label" themselves anything they want, yet it doesn't make them true followers... News flash for these folks...ALL men are sinners and broken, yet their very self-centered arrogance leads them to shift the blame of inexcusable actions of certain people and pin it all on Christ...pathetic and sad.
Al because of SATANIC DESERT CULT. You get what you ask for.
All those sand n!gg3rs died for Freedom!
Boring!! Tell her to come back when she gets shot by Taliban, we'll name a day after her.
Ur wrong mate. U should have some respect and concern for this child. Who only seeks peace.
Fighting with terrorist is universal and everyone has to support it. Irrespective of religions. Terrorism cannot be restricted to any particular religion. We have to table a strategy before striking because it could hurt innocents. Can you all answer to that child sufferings? No you cant. Only the child knows the pain. No body does. before supporting the inhumane strikes. Think of your own families. Only thing that can be done at the moment here is to evacuate the civilian population form the disputed area before striking.
Has Al-Qaeda, the Taliban or any other Islamist terror group ever shied away from an attack because civilians might be injured or killed? No. They'll kill their own if it accomplishes the mission. Those victims are considered martyrs, next stop: Paradise. These "witnesses" were sent here...or summoned here...as tools of the extremists, doing their bidding for their purposes. It's a propaganda tour, and any government official involved should be removed from office. We don't listen to the complaints of the enemy unless we're negotiating their unconditional surrender. We're not stooping to their level, not in any way. We're playing by the rules they themselves play by and understand. These are people that will bomb a school full of girls, simply because the girls are in the school. You win a war by giving no quarter...not by easing up because the other side is unhappy. The drone strikes could stop tomorrow if the villagers turned on the terrorists and dealt with them themselves. A dozen men can beat another to death in no time at all. They could even get lucky, kill the right one, and make millions in reward money too. Opportunity knocks, not just to stop the drone strikes but t rid the country of terrorists and to get rich too. Or they can keep whining into deaf ears. Choose.
You are right. They specially target women and children. They bomb church as well as mosques. They even kill students in several colleges and universities.
It is really strange that the real victims, who are attacked and killed by Taliban are not covered any where.
US provides arm the same Taliban in Syria. They even transported these beasts from Pakistan to Syria.
Taliban killed 50000 Pakistanis. Yesterday they put a bomb in Quetta, killing 4. They killed PTI supporters who support Taliban.
In Syria Taliban are cutting the wombs of pregnant women. Taliban are now getting arms from USA to fight Syrian regime. Taliban were created by USA to fight aganst USSR, Now Taliban are again needed by USA to fight in Syria, that is why you are watching such videos and articles to create sympathy for Taliban.
i do not understand how so many beleive every muslim is al-queda or funding them.that's up there with the taliban thinking ALL americans r pure evil.there's evil on both sides, but not from every single person.my heart breaks when a drone flies over my home, n knowing that horrible sound will be the last sound so many innocent ppl will hear b/4 their death.heartfelt condolences & much respect to the families who have endured loss in this tragic war.our soliders deserve much respect for their efforts.salute!
My sympathies to the wounded innocent.
To the extremists I hope that your days are numbered.
We make every effort to protect civilians.
Extremists on the other hand target civilians including children as was the case with the young girl Malala in Pakistan.
The reality is that countries that harbor them should make a point of eliminating them themselves or stop the anti American propaganda such as this is. (again my sympathies to the innocent).
They should tell them that we murdered over 2 million civilians in Iraq and over 500,000 in Afghanistan. Terrorists cant kill Civilians like we can..beat that al qaieda
Right out of the textbook for Leftist 101 (unless you are a humina humina defending your vile religion).
Obama is not violating international laws but what about law against humanity. Life
The Law you seek does not even exist. Have to make new one to protect innocent children and people.
I feel terrible for the innocent people who have died as a result of war. I couldn't imagine the pain and suffering they have endured. Unfortunately, civilian casualties have been a part of war since the beginning of history. I am a US citizen and the drone strikes are one of the best weapons we have to defend us against people who would like to destroy our way of life. Therefore i support drone strikes. Its unfortunate, but that's the way it is. Stopping drone strikes will not stop terrorists.
I do not feel guilty about this at all. It is her father's fault and the government she lives under. Muslims are crazy. We cannot blame people for trying to protect their livelihood with technology.
Muslims hate Americans. Even the ones who live here with their al. queda connections.
Great point. I support drone strikes.
All the more reason for more drones, more sophisticated and deadly. Get our troops out of there and let the drones take care of them.
Oharris we should kill all Non Christians and non jews in the world.. Hitler isn't crazier than we are
You are spot on. The only reason they are in this country is because our traitor government (Bush too) forced us to move over and make room for these geeks.
>>"That's why I came here. I am a teacher and I want to educate, let Americans know that this is hurting innocent people, and there are other ways to find solutions and bring peace," he said.<<
What are they ??
Tell her that her supporters killed 50000 PAKISTANI including women and children. Kill them all.
Now Taliban are transported to Syria to fight against Syrian regime. USA created them to fight against USSR, now USA needs them again.
Taliban are killing Christians in Syria and Pakistan, as well as they kill Muslims. They are armed by US in Syria.
Taliban are cutting wombs of pregnant women. They kill polio workers.
Obama doesn't know anything about what is going on, so its ok..
I bet Obama will say he doesn't know about the Roswell aliens either.
Obama is arming Taliban to fight against Syria.
Taliban were created by USA to fight against Iran and USSR in 1980. USA supported Taliban till 1988.
Now Obama needs them in Syria and he is building sympathies for them
drones have brought sense to many terrorists muslim countries.
Yes, a sense of hatred and showing the world the USA is really the great Satan? Drones are not helping USA cause.
Yes, that is what ISLAMIST desire, the contrary is true. You get paid by same hatred you tried to justify. It worked in your advantage during dark ages, not any more.
Muslim terrorists!
Your kind – I presume you are a Christian, have killed more people and are continuing to do so than all Muslims put together – ever. I wonder who the real terrorist are? Check your facts mate before labelling others – you terrorist !!
JEWS and CHRISTIANS have overwhelmingly contributed for making this world a better place in all spheres. WHAT HAVE ISLAM CONTRIBUTED other than sending TERROR???
Not defending this knucklehead, but you're not much better on "showing your @ss" side of the house... To "presume" as you did = ASSume = insert foot into mouth = fool.
Christians jews and muslims are all terrorist..all Abrahamic religions, if they all perish the world will be in peace
KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL. Silly monkeys.
Who should go to jail for the death of the innocent people that died during the attack in Pakistan.
Obama first – then work your way down, to everyone that advised him to continue killing innocent people, when they UN had already warned him several times.
The UN seems to grow more useless every day. Many are chasing Obama on this. As the US comes apart the developed nations will seek another forum.
Don't be silly. Barack Hussein Obama was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. Just hope he doesn't start using B-52s instead of drones.
Don't ask inconvenient questions especially if you're American, the NSA is listening. You might end up committing involuntary suicide.
If people don't speak up, what you say will come to pass.
The Pakistani Army General should go to jail. He is the one who is requesting the US to carry out drone strikes. The US has already stated its position: Drone strikes will stop any time Pakistan wants. The Pakistani general is a war criminal.
Okay, so you're giving the hitman a free pass. Uhhh......
well, if tomorrow some ask you to shoot a person then you will do simple bcz. he asks you??? and judge will pardon you???
@IRFAN, civilian laws does not work for terrorist, they understand terror in kind. You cannot play victim to justify your means. You will be called one and slaughtered. Mind you will get what you ask for.
let's just start with those who killed the native Americans. in war other is always collateral damage. if you think those people like us think again. why not blame those who put the innocent in harms way? why do they live within the innocent people villages. we blame Obama but it is not us killing those people. it is their leaders, brothers , uncles .
Blow up an entire school to get to the bad people holding the schoolchildren hostages. It's the bad people's fault. So you see how sucky your logic is?
Chaney, Bush, Obama.
The same murdering muslims who kill innocent people in Pakistan and else where. If these muslims weren't killing and terrorizing we wouldn't even be there.
The survivors liked HIROSHIMA even less.
Or Vietnam. Here's a fine list http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html
they have killed more of their people than we have. who shot the 12 year old girl in the head speaking up for education. these people were killed by their own people for having murderers live among them. I am glad we use drones and not our military young people. thank you Mr. president for No Boots on the ground.
It is statements like this that will get us tried for genocide and war crimes. Thank you.
Ok, so you expect these civilians to kick out these heavily armed bandits? Wow! Next time a bank is being held up just use a drone to blow up the entire bank, since its the hostages' fault for not fighting back! Stoopid American.
No boots need to be on the ground ANYWHERE except for in our own country. It is freckin time to stop all the senseless killing.
You a killer and deserve death
Aw personal threats. You are showing your frustration.
let's see how long you would keep your head over there. I will never forget the American news reporter who was kidnapped and they cut his hate off. I hate mußlims and don't care for them living in my country funding all qeada. I remember 9/11 trying to gate uptown to my child. I will never forgery that day.
cnn..why publish a one sided story look at the great number of soldiers that have died fighting in that area...nobody speaking for them what a sorry job you have done by publishing it
They did NOT die in Pakistan. They died in Afganistan, which does not belong to us either. The real terrorist sits in the white house.
If anything the U.S. should step up efforts to kill as many of these people as possible, so their offspring arent brainwashed into strapping bombs to themselves so they can go see Allah. The only thing they understand throughout history is killing and fear. All your bleeding heart means to them is weakness. Understand this, and think outside of your own mentallity for once bleeding hearts. For your weakness of will we will end up losing this war, and you will be forced to accept Allah or die! We must stand up to terrorist or We Will Lose!
At least this liberal is honest about his love of genocide.
They have turned into animals.
Americans lack self understanding, we have always committed war crimes like these, then get all righteous over it and hysterical over our young soldiers who commit these crimes.
The guilt for the war crimes start at the top with the president.
Agreed. But I would start by frying the small fish first because it will start the process. Many international courts have seen what we do as war crimes and genocide, but it hasn't reached the criminals at the top. I would love to see Bush, , Obama and clinton in the dock at a New Neurenburg.
You reap what you sow. Don't go boo-hooing and making a drama movie next time something gets blown up in USA soil.
I didn't go boo hoo on 9/11 I did rescue work. I don't approve of this anyway because everyone dies sometime and 3000 dead does not justify this hysteria over a decade later.
That was for Don, I meant with his mindset expect attacks to happen in the future and don't act so surprised about it. Hate is a deadly thing.
Well 67 civilians killed, that's bad. 2160 terrorists killed, that's good. Civilians make up maybe 3% of the total and are NOT the intended target. When they (for lack of a better word, the bad guys) blow up something in the U.S. it's usually civilians that ARE the target, and any military are the minority. For example, in the 9/11 attacks the military made up about 4% of the total casualties. So while I don't approve of civilians getting hurt, a comparison with the terrorists shows they are worse by a long shot.
We always say we don't mean the women and children then we kill more. That's disingenious. It makes us liars.
J, you really believe in the figures the government is giving you? Why not? The government will never lie! Right? Right???
9-year old Nabila what does she know her government is doing? Hiding Zawahir and 100s of terrorists.
That is so true. If Pakistanis stop harboring terrorists, there would be no need for drones.
Whoever offends one of these children – It would be better for that man, if he never had been born.
Every drone strike is requested by the Pakistani government.
You have to be insane to make such a statement.
Mr. President...
Remember the 20 children who died in Newtown, Connecticut.
Remember the 35 children who died in Gaza few months ago from Israeli bombardments.
Remember the 168 children who have been killed by US drone attacks in Pakistan since 2006.
Remember the 231 children killed in Afghanistan in the first 6 months of last year.
Remember the 400 other children in the US under the age of 15 who die from gunshot wounds each year.
Remember the 921 children killed by US air strikes against insurgents in Iraq.
Remember the 1,770 US children who die each year from child abuse and maltreatment.
Remember the 16,000 children who die each day around the world from hunger.
These tragedies must end and so should your 'illegal' drone strikes in Pakistan.
It's not going to happen.
It will when you run out of fuel.
dead muslims are good muslim, they can't hurt anyone anymore!
Thw way USA is making enemies left and right soon it won't be just Muslims.
True, our silver haired government seems determined to ruin our reputation.
So are the dead Americans, British, French, Israeli and on and on...Your IQ must be pretty low for you to make such a stupid and a silly comment.
To our President....don't ever, ever forget the fugitive, Osama Bin Laden, that the Pakistanis let live within their country, don't ever forget the terrorists that STILL live there today, don't ever forget the thousands that were killed on 9/11...men, women and children....killed in the name of a religion that is, at best, pitiful for allowing these types to live under their banner.
How can the President forget Osama Bin Laden....He was the friend of the US and created, armed and supported by the US. His dead body was never shown and presumbly he lived in the basement of the White House until his demise if he truly is dead........
Khalid, it seems like you're forgetting an awful lot of dead children. Children murdered by Al Qaeda in suicide bombings, children murdered by the Taliban, female children raped and murdered by their 50 year old "husbands", Israeli children murdered by Palestinian infiltrators and suicide bombers, millions of children in Muslim countries dying of starvation and neglect in endless civil wars. Khalid, it seems like you have a very selective memory.
I don't have a selective memory. The truth is always bitter and hard to swallow. It is time the US and its western cronies come to their senses and stop interfering in the affairs of other countries Islamic or not. What right does the US has to be the policman of the world. A bankrupt nation, It should fix its internal problems first...
Maybe they should have thought of that before they gave pita and hummus to our enemies...hit them again...harder....
So if armed bandits barged into your house and asks for food, you can either not give it to them and get shot, or the SWAT team should shoot you for giving the bandits food. Stooopid American.
Hit Grandma again, harder? Liberals = Hitler
Obama is not violating international laws but what about law against humanity. Life
Obama is not held accountable for anything. He drew the red line, didn't send help when needed, knew about the iRS, and knows Obamacare is flawed all the way through. History will show the truth, I hope, the worst president in history. a Liar and a cheat with no character at all. He can't be trusted nor can his party.
9/11 was revenge for the USA's pro-war ways.
You mean the country that almost everyone comes running to when they are in trouble....including Muslims in Libya, Tunisia, Syria and the list goes on and on....the country that basiclly single handedly keeps your flow of goods and services running through our protection of the oil that lubes the entire globe? That country? We protect our economy like any country with the means does....and you might hit us every once and a while but you won't make a habit of it for long.
Yes, protect your economy by sending all of your oh so patriotic businesses and factories to China. Stoopid brainwashed American.
Of course, before that Bin Laden was growing flowers with the Taliban, such a peace loving group.
surely , theres something we can do to stop this . killing civilians for few bad men ?
A few bad men? 2160 is a lot more than a few. How many innocent civilians would those terrorist have killed if the drones did not get them first. One well placed car bomb could kill more innocent civilians than all of the drone attacks combined.
Except, it is Obama that is killing Women, children and Grandmas. He is the only terrorist that is being talked about here.
Obama would be a lovely catch, and with the revelations of NSA spying, more countries are losing patience. I am quite hopeful.
Nathan is a child that needs more love at home. Most other people can find sympathy for the victims depicted in the article.
The hate shown in some of the comments already show why Homer said more than 2,000 years ago "Men grow tired of sleep, love, singing, and dancing sooner than war."
War will never stop because of the hate and ignorance, some of which is depicted above. Both sides think they're right, but in reality everyone loses out.
Exactly right..
TOTALLY AGREE< you can never DANCE in SANDS on a hot summer day in ARABIA. You can fight in nights like treacherous Bedouins.
....like you said, never get BORED.
what could 8 year old girl possibly do to deserve this? she didn't sow anything-
These fkers reap what they sow.
And then turn around and try to put on a big sympathy act. BOO HOO you little piggie.
serve them right
what could 8 year old girl possibly do to deserve this? she didn't sow anything-
Like the USA sowed 9/11?
Tell the people shooting up malls, flying planes into buildings, etc al. Drone strikes don't just happen for no reason. You have all the power to stop those attacks and thus stop the drones. There were children in the WTC too. This is the tragic consequences of your chosen actions.
So, because some people from Saudi Arabia attack the WTC, your country bombs people in Pakistan? And how can teachers and farmers in Northern Pakistan stop what is happened with the mall attack? You are not making any sense. Unless instead of Pakistanies, you are talking about Muslims in general. Fine. Christians are killing people who they think are witches in Africa. So, should somebody bomb a church in Kansas? By your logic, yes.
Yes, bomb a church, bomb a mosque, stop the uneducated fairy tale believing idi0ts from breeding more r3tard3d Children.
Allah hu monkey bar.
Your response shows how little you understand the dynamics of what is going on. Don't worry, it is not an insult, I would say less then 5 % of the world realizes what is happening. By now it is common knowledge that regardless of what country, it is the same groups of people we fight. There are two options to respond to being attacked. Invade, track, capture the people, or targeted strikes. Not responding is not an option. That being known we are doing everything we can to minimize damage. Infrastructure, and lives. In 1942 the reaction to something like this would include daily bombing raids involving hundreds of planes devastating entire cities and killing millions. No country in the world puts as much effort into minimizing deaths than we do. Simply not acting when they blow us up , ie sacrificing yourself so you can feel morally superior doesn't count because inaction makes you as culpable as doing it.
Where did we find Bin Laden? In Saudi Arabia? Wow...news to me.
Random, don't forget Hiroshima and Nagasaki Atomic bombings in 1945.
The war always hurt innocent people. So let's say NO TO WAR.
if your elected congressmen don´t listen to there own people. what makes you think that violent jihadist would consider listening?
girl: please stop bombing people.
Taliban: oh, OK.
What about innocent to proven guilty?
What about due process?
What about a foreign country (the US) invading her country? T
ell me what she personally has done wrong.
The most war mongering nation in the world since the 2nd world war tries to justify killing non US individuals on foreign soil where there has been no declaration of war. That my friends is called murder.
The US came out about Syria killing children, how is that different to what the US is doing?
"This is the tragic consequences of your chosen actions" That's what the terrorists say before they attack Americans as well. Not saying the terrorists are right. Just saying you're all wrong.
the strong won the weak perish.
its natural selection
But then based on your comment Muslims will turn around and say pretty much the same thing..i.e "Stop installing and backing oppressive regimes on our lands, stop stealing our resources, stop carrying bombing campaigns, stop occupying our lands, stop carrying out assassinations, stop issuing sanctions". The U.S military didn't enter the Middle East on 9.11, they have been conducting missions and interfering in this region for decades, if you don't know this, you have much to learn about the U.S foreign policy.
"Our enemies are being driven to attack us not based on their hatreds of our freedoms and prosperity's, but rather a deeply flawed foreign policy that has caused justified grievance". – Ron Paul of Texas.
The siege of Vienna was broken, 1683. The West won that day. There was no Israel, European colonialism, or cultural intrusions. There was only the crazy Muslims on another trumped up revenge effort. It took 350 years of Islamic aggression before the First Crusade was mounted in 1000 A.D. "We must not fight them at all or fight them forever", was the warning when U.S. Marines were sent to defeat the slave trading ship stealing Muslim Barbary Pirates "....to the shores of Tripoli" recalls the Marine Corps Hymn. Marine Corp officers today carry a sword patterned after the scimitar presented from Islamic leaders in Tripoli at the end of the 18th Century
CNN and PBS do not want us to remember any of this...........................
9/11 was retaliation for your decades of war-mongering.
and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and these drone attacks are in retaliation for 9/11...and so it goes
Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Most Afghans couldn't find the US on a map. The 9/11 hijackers were Saudis living in Germany. BinLaden was in Afghanistan because the CIA paid him to go there.


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Sullivan | Run game is UK's puncher's chance
Kentucky can run, but it can't hide. It can move the chains, eat the clock, grind out gains with a pair of 1,000 rushers and a gameplan devoted to ball control.
What it cannot do is deny Lamar Jackson his turn to make things happen. What it cannot do is win the Governor's Cup without stopping Louisville.
If Kentucky head coach Mark Stoops and his staff members have been paying attention, they will have learned that the surest way to limit the damage Jackson is capable of causing is to reduce his opportunities through strategic lollygagging.
Unhurried huddles. Long cadences. Snapping the ball just in time to prevent delay-of-game penalties. Taking the air out of the football figuratively, if not literally.
This was the blueprint Duke coach David Cutcliffe used to great effect in a 24-14 loss to U of L last month, and it probably represents Kentucky's best chance to upset their 11th-ranked rivals. Boom Williams and Benny Snell Jr. have both averaged at least six years per carry for UK this season, finding enough daylight to total 2,078 yards and 18 rushing touchdowns.
If Florida State's Dalvin Cook is the best running back Louisville has faced this season, Williams and Snell might rank second and third. They give Kentucky what the boxing world knows as a "puncher's chance" a specific strength that can sometimes outweigh being generally outclassed.
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At issue is whether the Wildcats are too one-dimensional to sustain drives against U of L; whether UK quarterback Stephen Johnson and/or intermittent use of the Wildcat formation can confound a defense that ranks sixth nationally against the run; and whether Stoops' offense has evolved far enough to offset the pyrotechnics of the Bobby Petrino Fireworks Show.
Louisville's defense may not belong on the same strata as Alabama's, but it's worth noting that the Wildcats' running game netted only 72 yards on 36 carries earlier this season in Tuscaloosa. More recently, Kentucky's 443-yard rushing output was not good enough to win just two weeks ago at Tennessee.
From here, the odds against Kentucky seem steep. In Las Vegas, the spread has fluctuated around 26 points. Yet in light of Louisville's bewildering penchant for putting the ball on the ground – its 20 lost fumbles are five more than any other school in the Football Bowl Subdivision – a deliberate effort to limit possessions also has the advantage of making mistakes more costly.
"I definitely think (ball control) is a big piece of it," Stoops said on Monday. "That has been our best recipe when we have had some sustained drives. But, as you know, against very quality teams, you have to be able to find some big plays as well. You have to be able to get it in the end zone."
Moreover, you absolutely, positively must avoid possessions that consist of three plays and a punt. Statistical studies have shown that it's very difficult to play keep-away when the other team has the ball, especially when the other team has a quarterback with Lamar Jackson's abilities.
Unless Houston revealed Louisville flaws that are easily exploited by lesser teams, the Cardinals' dismal effort last Thursday in Texas should have little bearing on Saturday's game. Though the Houston loss effectively eliminated U of L from the College Football Playoff, the Cards can ill-afford another letdown lest they lose their bowl priority in the Atlantic Coast Conference.
To suggest Jackson's Heisman Trophy prospects are also at risk is probably a reach, but that won't prevent Petrino and his players from making a last effort to sway undecided voters before the polls close on Dec. 5.
Last year in Lexington, Kentucky had a hard time tackling Jackson when he had only a cursory command of the U of L playbook. Now that Jackson can go through his progressions without so much panicked improvisation, he is much more dangerous.
Since the surest way to keep Jackson out of the end zone is to leave him stuck on the sideline, look for the Wildcats to play a waiting game.
Tim Sullivan can be reached at (502) 582-4650, email@example.com or @TimSullivan714 on Twitter.

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Union Gap City Jail Inmate Search and Prison Information
1800 Rainier Place, Union Gap, WA, 98903
Union Gap City Jail inmate lookup: Liens and Judgments, Inmate Roster, Warrants, Information Recorded, Facility, Booking Number, Who's in jail, Bond, Release Date, Bookings, Status, Court, Booking #, Arrests, Status, Commitment Date, DOB, Court Record, Alias, Booking Date, Mugshots.
The Union Gap City Jail is a 20-bed police jail. This detention facility is for adults that have been arrested in the city and county of Union Gap. When offenders arrive they are first processed and fingerprinted at the intake. Then they are assigned to their own single-person cell that can be found on two levels.
All inmates are provided with breakfast, lunch, and dinner daily as well as the daily basics. During designated times inmates are allowed to visit the library, shop at the commissary, participate in the recreation and hang out at the common area.
This is a medium-security facility so the security is tight. Inmates are escorted from one area to the next. The inmates spend most of their time in their cell.
Union Gap City Jail — General Information
|Facility Name
|Union Gap City Jail
|Facility Type
|City Jail
|1800 Rainier Place, Union Gap, WA, 98903
|Union Gap
|Postal Code
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Inmate Search
The names of the inmates that are held in this facility are published at the Union Gap City Jail. You can also call the jail to locate an inmate if it is more convenient for you.
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Jail records, court & arrest records, mugshots and even judicial reports.
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Inmates at are allowed to receive and send out written letters to loved ones in the mail. All letters must be written in pencil, black or blue ink. Contraband is prohibited. The jail staff inspects all incoming and outgoing mail.
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The Union Gap City Jail has a kiosk in the lobby where you can fund an inmate's account. You will need the inmate's ID number to complete this transaction. There is a fee to use this service.
Most jails also accept cashier's checks, MoneyGram and Western Union. To learn more about funding an inmate's account you can call the jail at 509-248-0430.
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Inmates have access to phones in their housing area where they can make phone calls to their loved ones. Inmates are able to call with collect calling or they can purchase a phone plan.
Inmates at Union Gap City Jail are allowed to have visitors on Sundays from 1:00 p.m. to 3:30 p.m.
You will need to keep all of your personal belongings in your vehicle, including your cell phone. However, you will need your government-issued photo ID card. Any visitation can be canceled at any time without reason or notice.
You are required to follow strict dress code rules so please dress modestly when you come for a visit.
Minors under the age of 18 that are immediate family to the inmate are allowed to visit with a legal guardian.
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Kelly Mcdonald puts all the pieces together in 'Puzzle'
Putting the pieces together of a marginalized wife and mother is the objective of "Puzzle," a sweet, but overwritten character study providing star Kelly Macdonald a too-rare chance to show what the longtime character actor can do with a leading role. And what she does is knock it out of the park.
It's the perfect match between part and performer, taking full advantage of a face that always seems to be looking at the world with a repressed sense of wonder. It practically calls out, "take me away from here." And "here" is a cluttered blue-collar home in Bridgeport, Connecticut, which Macdonald's Agnes is expected to keep operating like a well-oiled machine in service of her doltish bear of a husband, Louie (David Denman), and her two grown sons, Ziggy (Bubba Weiler), and Gabe (Austin Abrams).
In the opening scenes you'd think you're looking at a 1950s period piece, as Agnes works her rear off catering her own birthday party – without one guest offering to lend a hand. But later, when she's unwrapping her presents – by herself – up pops the gift of an iPhone to inform us that this is indeed the 21st century. Your heart sinks, and then soars after she opens the next package, a 1,000-piece jigsaw puzzle. Always a fan of how geometric patterns fit together, it's like a life preserver tossed to her by fate.
In minutes flat, she pieces the map of the world together. And the sense of joy and purpose that crosses Macdonald's face is something to behold. Soon, these puzzles become a form of crack. Agnes shirks her duties to her church and family and begins lying about her frequent disappearances and clandestine afternoon train trips to New York. Worse, she can't bring herself to the confessional to spill her rapidly piling-up sins, the wickedest being her sudden sexual attraction to a fellow puzzle fanatic in Irrfan Khan's Robert, an eccentric Manhattan millionaire as bored with his life as Agnes is with hers.
You can pretty much guess the rest. And, yes, we're building, as you'd expect, to the big puzzle-solving tournament where Agnes and Robert will compete in the doubles competition for a grand prize of an all-expense trip to Belgium. How writers Oren Moverman (an Oscar nominee for "The Messenger") and newcomer Polly Mann could dare be so hoary is astonishing. Lucky for them and producer-turned-director Marc Turtletaub, Macdonald is around to repeatedly pull them out of the lurch with a performance that exists almost entirely in her wonderfully expressive face.
It transcends the lame script, as Macdonald fills in almost every cavernous gap with a look that, as I like to paraphrase, launches a thousand feelings. And she dutifully makes sure you always know what Agnes is thinking, even when she saying nothing, which is often. It's much the same for Khan's recently divorced sad sack, Robert, who just happens to operate on exactly the same wavelength as Agnes. What are the odds?
Their twice-a-week afternoon trysts around the puzzle table in his Midtown brownstone may be chaste, but they are a definite source of romantic heat. And you adore sharing their company. Yet, like Agnes, you can't escape the guilt from what these dalliances are doing to the other three men in her life back in Bridgeport, where Louie and Ziggy slave away at the family's barely-above-water auto-body shop and Gabe contemplates whether to attend college or make a pilgrimage to Tibet. Also, like her, you justify her platonic fling by how much the boys take for granted all that Agnes does – shopping, cooking, cleaning, laundering and bookkeeping. Is it her fault she so desperately needs liberating?
In the end, Agnes is ready to implode, as once again she's trapped; only this time it's between a future with Robert and a continued slavish existence with her family. How she resolves it is about the only surprise in an otherwise relentlessly predictable scenario. But Macdonald somehow makes it all seem fresh, probably because we're never seen a performance quite as deep and telling as hers. You love Macdonald madly, almost as much as you'd desire seeing her get a chance to attack an even meatier role, like say the similarly long-overlooked Sally Hawkins did last year in "The Shape of Water." Sadly, both are stuck in a business that values glamour over talent, which seems to automatically relegate them to supporting roles. That's why little, albeit flawed, films like "Puzzle" can be such a joy. They give these women a chance to – like Agnes – breakout and show the world just how truly special they are.
Movie review
(R for language.) Cast includes Kelly Macdonald, Irrfan Khan and David Denman. Grade: B
Movie review
(R for language.) Cast includes Kelly Macdonald, Irrfan Khan and David Denman. Grade: B


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Top Ten Tuesday is hosted by The Broke and the Bookish. This week's topic is a Valentine-themed freebie, so I decided to go with a list of some of my favorite literary couples.
You'll probably notice there aren't a lot of YA couples on this list. I was trying to stick to couples who I feel are timeless and I will love always; as much as I enjoy YA lit, I don't feel like any of those couples fit that qualification.
- Henry and Clare (The Time Traveler's Wife) – This is one of my favorite books ever; I loved it immediately the first time I read it. I love Henry and Clare, and the way their story is told.
- Elizabeth and Mr. Darcy (Pride and Prejudice) – Of course this one had to make the list. Elizabeth and Darcy are one of the greatest couples of all time.
- Yelena and Valek (The Study Series) – If you like fantasy novels and haven't read the Study series yet, do yourself a favor and pick up Poison Study now. These books are wonderful, and you'll fall in love with Yelena and Valek too.
- Ron & Hermione (Harry Potter) – I don't care what Rupert Grint thinks (who, by the way, is officially not allowed to write any fanfiction). Ron and Hermione were perfect for each other from the start.
- Claire and Jamie (Outlander) – I avoided these books for so long because I don't like straight romance books, and I thought these would walk that line a little to closely. I'm very glad I gave them a chance, as Jamie and Claire are now one of my favorite couples of all time.
- Beatrice and Benedick (Much Ado About Nothing) – This is my favorite Shakespeare play of the ones I've read so far (some day I'll read them all). I really love the verbal sparring between Beatrice and Benedick, and I love how strong a woman Beatrice is. They're a fascinating couple, and certainly equally matched.
- Westley and Buttercup (The Princess Bride) – Not only is The Princess Bride one of my favorite movies of all time, it's also a fun book. Westley and Buttercup will forever be one of my favorite fictional couples.
- Odysseus and Penelope (The Odyssey) – I love the romance of the Odyssey – the story of a man who takes 20 years trying to get home to the woman he loves, and the lengths Penelope goes to in order to avoid remarrying because she believes her husband is still alive.
- Noah and Allie (The Notebook) – I am actually not a Nicholas Sparks fan, and I enjoyed the movie much more than the book (I actually enjoy all his movies more than the books – I think I can take the predictability and sappiness better in visual form than book form), but you can't deny these two are a great couple with a great love story.
- Beren and Luthien (The Silmarillion) – I love Arwen and Aragorn, but the story of Beren and Luthien always got to me for some reason. I love the "Lay of Luthien."
So there are some of my favorite literary couples. What couples would make your list? Anyone you think I should have included?


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Pierre Perrin-Monlouis Dernière mise à jour: 20 octobre 2021
Why does the Commission introduce a settlement procedure?
Where the parties to a cartel case agree with the Commission findings, the Commission wants to be able to use an instrument to speed up the adoption of a Decision.
This should free resources to deal with other cases, increasing the detection rate and overall efficiency of the Commission's antitrust enforcement. This is also expected to have a positive impact on general deterrence.
When parties are convinced of the strength of the Commission's case in view of the evidence gathered during the investigation and of their internal audit, they may be ready to acknowledge their participation to an infringement and accept their liability for it, in order to shorten the procedure and obtain a reduction of the fine. A settlement procedure therefore provides scope for reducing the length of the administrative procedure given the acceptance by parties of the Commission's case.
Does the settlement procedure imply negotiations?
No. The procedure will not give companies the ability to negotiate with the Commission as to the existence of an infringement of Community law or the appropriate sanction. It can, however, reward the cooperation of companies by speeding the proceedings in cartel cases and reducing the fine.
The Commission will not bargain about evidence or its objections, however, parties will also be heard effectively in the framework of the settlement procedure and parties will therefore have the opportunity to influence the Commission's objections through argument.
Why is the settlement procedure limited to cartel cases?
In the anti-cartel field, the practical ability of the Commission to enforce the EC Treaty's rules on restrictive business practices (Article 81) hinges on the extent and probative value of the evidence gathered during the investigation. Experience shows that litigation mainly relates to circumstances having a bearing on the amount of the fine and liability of parent companies for actions undertaken by their subsidiaries.
Moreover, amongst antitrust cases, cartel investigations are comparatively more frequent and often entail a heavier procedure in view, among other things, of the multiplicity of parties and languages involved and the jurisdictional issues they raise (e.g. discovery).
Will the settlements procedure apply to all cartel cases?
Not every cartel case will be suitable for settlement. The Commission will have a broad margin of discretion to determine which cartel cases are suitable. Account will be taken of the likelihood that the Commission and all parties concerned will reach the same conclusions on the scope of the objections and the prospect of achieving procedural efficiencies. This issue is addressed in point 5 of the Notice.
On the other hand, companies are not obliged to enter settlement discussions or to ultimately settle and the Commission may only apply the settlement procedure upon parties' explicit request.
What are the main differences between the current Commission's leniency programme and the settlements procedure?
The Commission leniency programme is an investigation tool (see IP/06/1705). It aims at discovering cartel cases and collecting evidence to discharge the Commission's burden of proof. The "Leniency Notice" rewards companies who voluntarily disclose to the Commission the existence of a cartel and bring evidence to prove the infringement. The reduction of the fine varies widely depending on the timing and significant added value of the information and evidence provided.
In contrast, settlement aims at simplifying and expediting the procedure leading to the adoption of a formal decision, thereby allowing for procedural savings and the internal redeployment of enforcement resources. The "Settlements Notice" rewards concrete contributions to procedural efficiency. All parties settling in the same case will receive equivalent reductions of the fine (10%), because their contribution to procedural savings will be equivalent.
Will the settlement reduction have a negative impact on the leniency programme?
Even with a settlement procedure, the incentive for companies to ask for leniency will remain unchanged.
First of all, the expected reduction of fine under the leniency programme is considerably more significant than the 10% settlements reduction. Secondly, leniency will not be available once settlement discussions start, which will be after the purely investigative phase.
To the extent that companies have an interest to get the maximum reduction of fine, they will therefore have a strong interest to favour leniency. However, as the reductions of fine are cumulative, companies will always have an incentive to ask for both.
What are the main differences between "commitment" decisions and procedures on the one hand and "settlement" decisions and procedures on the other?
Commitment decisions are adopted on the basis of Article 9 of Regulation (EC) Nº 1/2003. They do not establish an infringement or impose a fine, but bring a suspect behaviour to an end by imposing on companies the commitments offered to meet the Commission concerns. Commitment decisions render the commitments legally binding and conclude that there are no longer grounds for action by the Commission. Therefore, they do not constitute precedents to establish recidivism for subsequent infringements. Commitment decisions are not appropriate in cartel cases.
Settlement decisions are only foreseen in cartel cases. They are adopted pursuant to Articles 7 and 23 of Regulation (EC) Nº 1/2003, which are the standard legal basis for Commission Decisions acting against violations of Articles 81 and 82 EC. Therefore, settlement decisions establish the existence of an infringement, describing and proving all the relevant parameters thereof, require the termination of the infringement and impose a fine. They constitute a precedent valid to establish recidivism for subsequent similar infringements and preclude the adoption of another decision for the same facts and pursuant to the same legal basis by the Commission or any EU National Competition Authority.
When can a company request the initiation of settlement discussions? When do settlement discussions start?
Any company which becomes aware of the existence of an investigation (e.g. a leniency applicant, the addressee of a measure of investigation in general or the addressee of a decision of inspection in particular) may already at that stage indicate to the Commission its interest in exploring settlements.
Settlement discussions start only once the Commission has gathered and analysed evidence and is prepared to raise objections. Should the Commission consider a case suitable for settlement, it will initiate proceedings once the investigation (leniency, inspections) takes it to the stage of drafting a statement of objections. It will then explore the interest in settlement discussions of all parties' to the proceedings by letter setting a final time-limit to express their interest in writing.
Why does the Commission require parties to the procedure belonging to the same group of undertakings to appoint a joint representative?
This is necessary to have fruitful and efficient discussions with each of the undertakings concerned. In this regard, joint representation will not prejudge the finding of joint and several liability amongst parties of the same undertaking or group.
When and how will settlements discussions take place?
Upon parties' written request, the Commission may decide to open discussions rounds to be held between the initiation of proceedings and the adoption of the statement of objections.
Settlement discussions will tackle in a timely manner the alleged facts, their classification, the gravity and the duration of the infringement and on the liability for the individual involvement in the cartel on the basis of the evidence in the file supporting the envisaged objections. This includes discussing the potential maximum fine net of any other reduction. Accessible versions of other documents (than evidence) listed in the case file may be disclosed upon reasoned request when it is justified to enable a company to ascertain its position on a given time period or issue, and where this disclosure does not jeopardise the overall efficiency sought with the settlement procedure. This issue is addressed in Articles 15 to 17 of the Notice.
If the parties are convinced of the case the Commission may set a time-limit for them to introduce a formal request ("settlement submission") to settle the case. The settlement submission would be formulated according to a specified template and drafted along with the results of the settlement discussions. The conditional settlements submission will contain in particular the acknowledgement of their participation to the infringement, their commitment to follow the settlement procedure and an estimate of the potential fine, in anticipation of the formal objections.
What are the main conditions to obtain a settlement decision for a company?
According to article 20 of the Notice, the parties who want to settle a case with the Commission have to declare their interest in settlement discussions, appoint a representative per undertaking and submit a settlement submission in the terms discussed with the Commission and containing:
an acknowledgement of the parties' liability for the infringement
an indication of the maximum amount of the fines the parties foresee to be imposed by the Commission
the parties' confirmation that they have been informed of the Commission's objections in a satisfactory manner and that they have been given the opportunity to be heard
the parties' confirmation that they will request neither access to the file nor a formal oral hearing
the parties' agreement to receive the statement of objections and the final decision of the Commission in a given language of the European Community.
By introducing a settlement submission, the parties commit to follow the settlement procedure subject to the condition that the Commission Decision ultimately reflects the contents of the settlement submission and it does not impose a fine higher that the maximum fine indicated in it.
How are settlement submissions protected against discovery orders from other jurisdictions? Can the parties introduce settlement submissions orally?
In cases where all parties settle, settlement submissions will not be rendered accessible, because no access to the file will be provided once the "settled" statement of objections is issued. In hybrid cases, the parties who do not settle will only get access to other parties' settlement submissions at Commission premises, and they are not allowed to make any mechanical copy thereof. The information obtained from the settlement submission may solely be used for their defence in procedures where Community competition rules are at issue. Other parties such as complainants will not be granted access to settlement submissions.
Settlement submissions can be introduced both in writing and orally.
These provisions, together with other more detailed ones in paragraphs 35 to 40 of the Notice, provide settlement submissions with the same level of protection as submissions introduced under the Leniency Notice.
Can the parties to the proceedings disclose to any other third party the content of bilateral settlement discussions?
The parties to the proceedings and their legal representatives are not allowed to disclose to any third party the content of their discussions with the Commission's services or of the documents which they have had access to. A breach of this rule may constitute an aggravating circumstance to be taken into account in setting the fine.
What will happen if the statement of objections or the final decision does not reflect the contents of the conditional settlements submissions?
If the Commission does not reflect the contents of settlements submissions of the parties in a statement of objections or in a final decision, the acknowledgments provided by the relevant parties are deemed to have been withdrawn and they cannot be used against them. Moreover, the relevant parties would be able to challenge the Commission findings within the administrative proceedings and the ordinary procedure and all these steps would apply.
Are the companies' rights of defence restricted under the settlements procedure compared to those under the ordinary procedure?
The rights to have access to the file or to request an oral hearing are exercised upon parties' request also in the framework of the ordinary procedure and a party can choose self-incrimination as a line of defence in view of possible rewards also in the framework of the ordinary procedure. However, isolated parties' choices do not result in procedural efficiencies. The settlement procedure simply provides incentives and organizes the procedural steps to promote similar procedural choices by the parties to the same proceedings in order to obtain procedural efficiencies.
Parties' rights of defence under the settlement procedure remain the same as in the ordinary procedure. They are simply exercised in the framework of bilateral discussions both orally and by means of a submission, in anticipation of the formal notification of objections.
Parties choose between the settlement procedure and the ordinary procedure freely and in a fully informed manner.
By introducing a settlement phase, the Commission increases companies' options to be informed earlier of potential objections and of the evidence supporting them. In addition, companies would be informed of the likely range of fines prior to the adoption of the final decision. On the basis of these facts and documents, the parties have the opportunity to express their views to the Commission, in line with the case-law of the Court of Justice as mentioned in particular in article 16 of the Commission's notice. This enables companies to influence the contents of the statement of objections and, thereby, of the decision itself. Full access to file remains available after the SO for those who do not settle, as it is the case today, and the parties may decide at any moment to stop the settlements discussions or not to send a settlement submission. Finally, any settlement Decision is open to appeal.
May the parties call upon the Hearing Officer during the settlements procedure?
The parties may call upon the Hearing Officer at any time during the settlements procedure in relation to issues that might arise relating to due process. This constitutes an additional guarantee for the respect of the rights of defence, as is the case in the ordinary procedure.
How will the 10% reduction of fine be determined for settlement decisions?
Pursuant to article 32 of the Commission notice, the settlement reduction will be deducted from the fine that a company would normally have to pay according to the provisions of the current Commission's guidelines on fines. If the fine calculated before the settlements reduction is capped to 10% of the worldwide turnover according to Article 23 of Regulation (EC) Nº 1/2003, the settlement reduction will be applied to the resulting amount.
When applicable, the reduction of fine given under the settlements procedure will be cumulative with the reduction of fine under the leniency program. The Commission will establish the amount of the settlement reductions after public consultation.
Is the settlement reduction the same for all parties settling?
The reduction of the fine rewarding companies for having settled a case with the Commission is equivalent for each party having settled (10%).
Is the Commission bound by the settlement agreement that was previously concluded between companies and the Commission's services?
The respect of the principle of collegiality of Commission Decisions and the benefit of having Advisory Committee meetings mean that the College of Commissioners may legitimately depart from the parties' submissions or the results of their discussions with the Commission's services up until the final Decision. However, as the Notice specifies, the Commission may not adopt a decision departing from the "settled" objections without informing the parties concerned and adopting a new statement of objections subject to the ordinary rules of procedure and which cannot be based on acknowledgements provided by the parties in view of settlement. However, this should occur only exceptionally if the usefulness of the settlement instrument is to be preserved.
Does a settlement decision imply that a company who accepted to acknowledge its participation to an infringement of Community law will not make an appeal to the Court of first instance?
No. A company who is the subject of an antitrust decision after a settlement with the Commission can still appeal the Commission Decision to the Court of First Instance