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"Violence is coming": Glenn Beck's long history of violent rhetoric
As John Hamilton reported, alleged California highway shooter Byron Williams described Beck as "a schoolteacher" and said that "it was the things [Beck] exposed that blew my mind." Though he urges his audience to "reject violence," Beck regularly spews violent rhetoric -- often warning of impending violence from "the left."
Glenn Beck frequently spews violent rhetoric on Fox News
A review of Glenn Beck's Fox News program from its start to Williams' arrest on July 18, 2010, shows that Beck frequently used violent rhetoric.
Beck pours gasoline on "average American," asks, "President Obama, why don't you just set us on fire?" On his television show, Beck claimed to be imitating Obama while pouring liquid from a gasoline can -- which he later stated was water -- on an actor portraying the "average American." Beck said during his demonstration: "President Obama, why don't you just set us on fire? ... We didn't vote to lose the republic." [Fox News' Glenn Beck, 4/9/09]
Quoting Jefferson, Beck warns about "rivers of blood." On his Fox News show, Beck quoted a letter by Thomas Jefferson warning that " 'if they lose freedom' -- he's speaking of us, future generations -- 'if they lose freedom, there will be rivers of blood.' " Beck continued in his own words, "Boy, I hope that's not true, but I can tell you there will be rivers of blood if we don't have values and principles." [Glenn Beck, 5/14/10]
Ranting that gov't under Nixon "wasn't as corrupt as it is now," Beck suggests Obama admin might kill "10 percent" of population. On his June 10 show, Beck warned that "anarchists, Marxists, communists, revolutionaries, Maoists" have to "eliminate 10 percent of the U.S. population" in order to "gain control." They couldn't achieve such a goal when Richard Nixon was president, Beck stated, because "the family was together" and the government under Nixon "wasn't as corrupt as it is now." Beck added: "Now they can. Now they can."
Beck later played a clip of an FBI agent who infiltrated the Weather Underground and warned about extremists who want to kill people. Beck responded to the clip by stating: "These are the same people that are everywhere in our government and our education system. Please, please. Learn from history. Please."
Beck portrays Obama, Democrats as vampires, suggests "driv[ing] a stake through the heart of the bloodsuckers." On his March 30, 2009, Fox News show, Beck aired a graphic portraying Obama and Democrats as vampires and said: "The government is full of vampires, and they are trying to suck the lifeblood out of the economy." Beck then suggested "driv[ing] a stake through the heart of the bloodsuckers." Beck returned to that imagery on his January 19 radio show, warning listeners that progressives are "vampires" who now have a "taste of blood" and are "gonna start getting more and more violent."
Beck talks about "put[ting] poison" in Pelosi's wine. In 2009, Beck's Fox News show featured a segment in which Beck said the following to a woman wearing a mask of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi:
BECK: So, Speaker Pelosi, I just wanted to -- you gonna drink your wine? Are you blind? Do those eyes not work? There you -- I want you to drink it now. Drink it. Drink it. Drink it.I really just wanted to thank you for having me over here to wine country. You know, to be invited, I thought I had to be a major Democratic donor or a longtime friend of yours, which I'm not.By the way, I put poison in your -- no, I -- I look forward to all the policy discussions that we're supposed to have -- you know, on health care, energy reform, and the economy. [Glenn Beck, 8/6/09]
Beck: "Grab a torch." Asserting that politicians are addicted to spending, Beck stated: "When do we ever run those who are bankrupting our country and literally stealing our children's future out of town? Grab a torch." [Glenn Beck, 1/6/10]
Beck suggests that progressives support "armed insurrection." After President Obama signed health care reform legislation into law, Beck suggested that progressives support "armed insurrection" and asked, "Why would the president take up immigration right away, after he's just punched you in the face with health care?" [Glenn Beck, 3/23/10]
Beck suggests Pelosi and Obama support "pick[ing] up a gun" to advance "revolution."During the same edition of his Fox News show, Beck said that "violence is the wrong way to go," but asked his viewers: "You'd pick up a gun? Have you ever thought of that?" He then pointed to several pictures, including images of Obama and Pelosi, and stated: "These people have. Because possibly, maybe the question should be asked, maybe they're tired of evolution, and maybe they are waiting for revolution." Beck also said: "Haven't we just been spanked? Hasn't most of the country -- doesn't most of the country feel like they've been spanked over health care? You bet. I do, you do. A lot of people do." [Glenn Beck, 3/23/10]
Beck suggests Obama administration may kill him. Also on that same edition of his Fox News program, Beck said: "For those of you in the administration, who are coming after me ... remember, you've broken three [of the 10 Commandments], let's not make it four; thou shalt not kill." [Glenn Beck, 3/23/10]
Beck: "The revolution of 1776 was a picnic compared to what the revolutionaries of today would like to do. ... Usually, millions of people die." On June 9, while discussing "radicals" in the country, Beck told his audience: "Here's what you'll learn. The revolution of 1776 was a picnic compared to what the revolutionaries of today would like to do. It's not a lot of fun. Usually, millions of people die."
After Williams' arrest, Beck has continued to frequently use violent rhetoric on Fox News
Beck suggests progressive coalition will become violent and riot "a year from now." On his Fox News program, while discussing how progressives are supposedly trying to "nudge" the United States towards "global governance," Beck said that "violence is a part of the overall strategy." While discussing a coalition of unions and progressive groups that are planning a march in Washington, D.C., Beck said that he believes the march will be "peaceful," but suggested that "a year from now" there may be violence and riots "when the cuts take place." Beck also proclaimed that the Democrats have been "infected with the tree of revolution" and "radicals" who are a "danger to our republic." [Glenn Beck, 9/14/10]
Beck connects U.S. progressives to the Holocaust, says they "have not changed their viewpoint." Beck announced that "if you don't know your history, you are doomed to repeat it." During the segment, Beck linked several U.S. progressives to eugenics and the Holocaust and proceeded to say that progressives "have not changed their viewpoint; they've only changed their language." [Glenn Beck, 8/3/10]
Beck: After election, "our streets will not be peaceful" due to progressives "agitating."Discussing the upcoming elections, Beck told his viewers "activists" "are about to go back to agitating, because once they lose control of the House, they have to." After encouraging people to vote, Beck said that after the election, "our streets will not be peaceful. They will start protesting and agitating again." [Glenn Beck, 9/30/10]
"Violence will come": Beck also uses his radio program and other outlets to engage in violent fearmongering
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Though Williams indicated he did not listen to Beck's radio program, Beck frequently employs violent rhetoric during his radio program, often warning of eventual violence from "the left."
Beck: "To the day I die, I am going to be a progressive hunter." Telling his listeners that they "are going to learn so much on Friday," Beck compared himself to "Israeli Nazi hunters" and commented: "I'm telling you, I'm going to find these big progressives and, to the day I die, I'm going to be a progressive hunter." He added:
BECK: I'm going to find these people that have done this to our -- you know, to our country, and expose them. I don't care where -- I don't care if they're in nursing homes. I'm going to expose what they have done and make sure that the people understand, because our Constitution, our republic -- if it survives -- it will only survive because the people are waking up and through the grace of God, because we are that close to losing our republic. [The Glenn Beck Program, 1/20/10]
Beck warns that "in the end, in revolutions, real dangerous killers show up when things start to fall apart." Discussing how the government is "growing out of control," Beck attacked former White House green jobs adviser Van Jones and "the government" for using "fear tactics." Beck told listeners that he "told you this would happen" and added that "I told you just last week that I believe these are the most dangerous two years of our republic. Because in the end, in revolutions, the real dangerous killers show up when things start to fall apart. When the nudge moves to shove, and the shove doesn't work, the killers show up. It happens every time. That's why we must be united for peace, we must be united with love, we must be united with God." [The Glenn Beck Program, 9/27/10]
Beck: "Violence will come. And violence will come from the left. Violence is part of the plan." Beck warned listeners that "if you don't think violence is coming, I'm going to share some audio of Frances Fox Piven that will boggle your mind." Beck said that "they don't mind violence. Violence will come. And violence will come from the left. Violence is part of the plan. Not mine, not yours." [The Glenn Beck Program, 9/13/10]
Beck on progressives: When the "soft revolution" fails, they "just start shooting people." Beck claimed that progressives are engaging in a "soft revolution" designed to silence voices like his. He added: "If somebody starts to turn on them, or they can't get everyone to silence, that's when the arrests come, or that's when they start a hard revolution. That's when they start just shooting people. I hope we don't get to that point. I pray that we don't get to that point, but I never thought this country would get to the point where we are today." [The Glenn Beck Program, 5/27/10]
Beck warns of violence: "Trouble" by the "most violent" progressives "is coming." Beck suggested that Obama would respond to potential GOP victories in November elections by "going right directly" to the "most progressive, most violent, the worst of the worst on the left and stir 'em up. 'Get out into the streets. Cause trouble.' It's what's coming. It's what's coming." [The Glenn Beck Program, 9/24/10]
Beck: "Violence is coming" and "the left will blame me." Beck said that people need to "wake up" and see "what is coming," which Beck described as "violence." He added that "the left will blame me." [The Glenn Beck Program, 8/2/10]
Beck: "God will wash this nation with blood if he has to, but he doesn't have to."Referencing Lincoln's second inaugural address, Beck said that "God will wash this nation with blood if he has to, but he doesn't have to." Beck added that "we are passing all of the exits. Gang, there is one exit left. There is one exit left, and it is God. Everything that is coming our way is too big to handle on our own. If we do not put God at the center of our own personal lives and the center of our country, we will not survive. The country will be washed with blood and then someone will have to start over, and God only knows how long that takes." [The Glenn Beck Program, 8/25/10]
Beck warns of "revolutionaries" who will "set our streets on fire." Urging people to vote in the November elections, Beck said that "in the short term" this election is "going to make things worse" because "revolutionaries" are going to "rise up" and "set our streets on fire." He added that "our future is at stake right now." [The Glenn Beck Program, 9/16/10]
Beck: "The army ... of the extreme left is gathering" and they are saying "cops are bad, kill the cops." On his radio show, Beck discussed riots in Oakland, stating: "The army, if you will, of the extreme left is gathering, and they are coming to the conclusion of cops are bad, kill the cops, they're the oppressors. It's all the 1960s, you know, pig stuff. It's the same stuff." [The Glenn Beck Program, 7/12/10]
Beck: "This game is for keeps"; "[Y]ou can shoot me in the head ... but there will be 10 others that line up." Asking his audience to "pray for protection," Beck claimed that "the most powerful people on the planet on the left" were "not going to go away easy" because "[t]his game is for keeps. This is who controls the United States of America and its destiny." He asked his listeners to "please keep me in your prayers, keep my staff in your prayers, for safety, for wisdom," adding, "Just pray for protection, please." [The Glenn Beck Program, 9/8/09]
Later in the same program, Beck said:
BECK: You can try to put the lid on this group of people, but you will never silence us. You will never -- you can shoot me in the head, you can shoot the next guy in the head, but there will be 10 others that line up. And it may not happen today, it may not happen next week, but freedom will be restored in this land. Period. And no matter what you want to call it, it is a totalitarian state that you're headed towards. [The Glenn Beck Program, 9/8/09]
Beck speaks for one-third of the nation: "[Y]ou will have to shoot me in the forehead before you take away my gun" and "before I acquiesce and be silent." Beck has warned "ACORN, GE, Obama, SEIU" that "you are awakening a sleeping giant, and I have nothing to do with it," and that "America is waking up. You know the American Revolution took place with 12 percent of the population? Twelve. Are you telling me there is not 30 percent of this population that you will have to shoot me in the forehead before I let somebody into my house to tell me how to raise my children; you will have to shoot me in the forehead before you take away my gun; you will have to shoot me in the forehead before I acquiesce and be silent." Beck further stated:
BECK: They cannot move on these things, because they are building a machine that will crush the entrepreneurial sprit and the freedom that our Founding Fathers designed. This machine, whatever it is they are building, will crush it. Do not let them build another piece.So while I turn away, I want to make sure that I have at least 10 million eyes watching -- watching every single move they are making.[...]We know why they're doing what they're doing. You need to do what you need to do, and as long as that is peaceful, we will save our country. [The Glenn Beck Program, 7/30/09]
Beck suggests Obama is "trying to destroy the country" and is pushing America toward civil war. While discussing the ongoing controversy over Arizona's immigration law, Beck told his listeners that "we are being pushed" toward civil war and that Obama is "trying to destroy the country." [The Glenn Beck Program, 5/19/10]
Beck: "There is a coup going on. There is a stealing of America." Beck has claimed that "there is a revolution, and they think they can get away with it quietly," adding: "At this point, gang, I'm not sure, they may be able to because they are so far ahead of us. They know what they're dealing against; most of America does not yet. Most of America doesn't have a clue as to what's going on. There is a coup going on. There is a stealing of America, and the way it is done, it has been done through the -- the guise of an election, but they lied to us the entire time." He also said, "And they're gonna say, 'we did it democratically,' and they are going to grab power every way they can. And God help us in an emergency." [The Glenn Beck Program, 8/31/09]
Beck: "[T]hat's not begging for World War III; that's called giving you the facts."Referencing a speech he had given the previous weekend in Alaska, Beck discussed how he told the audience that "you are Fort Knox." He explained that if the economy collapses, Alaskans must "grab your guns" because "the Russians, the Chinese -- everyone is coming to Alaska, because that's where the money is. Now, that's not begging for World War III; that's called giving you the facts. But see, there are those people that really want this to collapse, and they are planning on violence. They're planning on it -- we've already shown you. We've already seen it with SEIU. We've shown it to you over in Europe." [The Glenn Beck Program, 9/13/10]
Beck says his audience contains "the leaders of tomorrow" who will save you from "camps, maybe literally." Referencing an event he appeared at the previous weekend with Sarah Palin, Beck said that they have "30 million people in our footprint." Beck explained that "this 10 percent is going to be the shelter for the other 90 percent." He added: "This is the group, this 10 percent will be the ones that when all hell goes to handbasket, and everybody on the left and the right are yelling and arguing and trying to pull you into camps, maybe literally, pull you into camps. You're gonna say 'Don't go, don't go, everything's fine. Don't worry, we can take care of each other. We've got each other, we're Americans, we're better than this.' " [The Glenn Beck Program, 9/13/10]
Beck: "They're trying to beat it out of you slowly. Boil you, basically, like a frog." After agreeing with a caller who suggested we should "collapse the Federal Reserve" and "build it back up," Beck said that the government already "started planning for the next phase, and the next phase is a global governance sort of situation." Discussing how people should prepare for a global collapse, Beck added that "people are not going to go peacefully into the night if it is a quick collapse." Beck said that "the fear here is that they already have the structure to box you in. They don't come with the jackbooted thugs on the first day. They come and take away your sugary sweets. They come and take away your right to go to the beach and dig in the sand. They come and they watch your credit cards. ... They're trying to beat it out of you slowly. Boil you, basically, like a frog. I think we win. I think we win if things remain stable, but a power grab is a possibility in this crazy upside-down America that we live in." [The Glenn Beck Program,9/21/10]
Beck: "I don't know how much time each of us has. I don't know how much time the country has." Beck "beg[ged]" his listeners to "please give me the benefit of the doubt," and said: "I'm begging you to get back down on your knees. I'm begging you to be the person that you were and you promised yourself you would be on September 11th and 12th. I'm begging you to get down on your knees. What is coming is not good. I don't know how things end. I should rephrase that. I do know how things end. But I know how things end after a long struggle. I don't know how that struggle is gonna work out. I don't know how much time each of us has. I don't know how much time the country has." [The Glenn Beck Program, 8/25/10]
Beck: Obama administration is "poking" at "people who have a record of violence" and "stirring up trouble." Discussing how Obama had criticized people on the left on the same day that cuts were announced to food stamp programs, Beck speculated that the administration was "poking" the left the same way that he "poked" the tea parties. He added that this "makes Barack Obama look like he's more centrist. But also, you're poking people who have a record of violence and taking to the streets and stirring up trouble. Hmm. I wonder if there's anything there." [The Glenn Beck Program, 8/11/10]
Beck invokes Holocaust while discussing soda machines: "First they came for the sugary beverages, and I said nothing." Beck linked a report about city officials in Boston limiting the sale of sodas in city buildings to the Holocaust, saying "First they came for the sugary beverages, and I said nothing." [The Glenn Beck Program, 9/21/10]
Beck's advice to Liberty grads: "Shoot to kill." During his May 15 commencement speech at Liberty University, Beck told graduates that they "have a responsibility" to speak out, or "blood ... will be on our hands." His advice for graduates (as well as his daughter) included "shoot to kill."
Beck: "I fear a Reichstag moment, a -- God forbid -- another 9-11, something that will turn this machine on." During an interview with Newsmax.com in which he discussed opposition to Obama's Federal Communications Commission policies, Beck said: "I fear an event. I fear a Reichstag moment, a -- God forbid -- another 9-11, something that will turn this machine on, and power will be seized and voices will be silenced. God help us all.'' [Newsmax.com,10/7/09]
Mixed message: Beck implores his audience to "reject violence"
Though Beck frequently employs overtly violent rhetoric, he regularly urges his audience to "reject violence." As reported by John Hamilton, Williams "says that 'Beck will never say anything about a conspiracy, will never advocate violence. ... But he'll give you every ounce of evidence that you could possibly need.'
Beck warns his audience not to "pick up a gun" or "cause any violence." Beck addressed his audience on his Fox News show, saying: "Let me tell you something right now. Let me make this very clear for anybody on the left, the right or the middle: If you pick up a gun, if you cause any violence, if you are engaged in a riot, let me promise you now, the republic will be over. Over. Because they need you to do that." [Glenn Beck, 7/26/10]
Beck: "Reject violence every step of the way." On his radio program, Beck told his listeners that they were "winning" against "a well-coordinated attack" and that their opponents "need you to become violent." He continued:
BECK: The minute you become violent, which you're not going to do -- hear me clearly, for the record. Violence will destroy the republic. The person that picks up a gun, a bomb, anything, a knife, a rope, they will destroy the republic. Reject violence every step of the way. You make the first call to the police if you see anyone who you think is plotting, planning, thinking crazy thoughts. You turn them in to police immediately. You will destroy the republic if you do not. Now, could I be any clearer than that? Write it down in your diary because it will be erased in history. [The Glenn Beck Program, 7/26/10]
Beck: "We need to really view ourselves as non-armed, non-violent cells." On the same broadcast of his radio show, Beck stated: "If they take me down, you have to be standing. And if they take you down, somebody else has to be standing. So we need to really view ourselves as non-armed, non-violent cells." [The Glenn Beck Program, 7/26/10]
Beck: "The only weapon in our arsenal that we need is God." Beck has suggested that the government is "poking and prodding" the "crazy teabaggers" in order to incite them to violence. "They need you to be violent," he said. "They are begging for it. You are being set up. Do not give them what they want." Then, referring to a report that some congressmen had received death threats after voting in favor of health care reform, Beck implored his viewers, "Do not become them. ... It's exactly what they want." He concluded by saying that "the only weapon in our arsenal that we need is God." [Glenn Beck, 3/24/10]
Beck: "You must always be a people of peace." The same day on the radio, Beck cautioned his listeners: "Let me warn you now, in no uncertain terms. You must always be a people of peace. Always. Unless your life is being threatened. In no uncertain terms, you must always be a people of peace." [The Glenn Beck Program, 3/24/10]
Beck: "How many times do I have to say 'peaceful'?" In the middle of comparing himself to Martin Luther King Jr., Beck said to his radio listeners: "These are the times when you stand up -- when you can stand up peacefully, because if you don't stand up as you are losing those rights, as the government is growing in power, then, unfortunately, it becomes too late to stand up peacefully. How many times do I have to say 'peaceful'?" [The Glenn Beck Program, 11/25/09]
Beck: Go to town hall meetings armed with something -- "not with guns but with facts." While suggesting that the Obama administration is trying to destroy him, Beck told his listeners that "there is evil at play" and warned that "unless you come to these town hall meetings armed with something, you're too easily dismissed." He later clarified: "By arming you every day, by arming you not with guns but with facts, and you walking into these places armed with facts, the biggest stick you can carry." [The Glenn Beck Program, 8/24/09]
Beck: "It is not time to pick up guns" or "blow anything up." Beck warned his radio audience that "the American way of life is being systematically dismantled and destroyed," "the republic is in danger," and "we are entering the most dangerous time in American history." He then said, "My fellow American, it is not time to pick up guns. It is not time. It is not time to blow anything up." [The Glenn Beck Program, 8/5/09]
Beck: "If anyone thinks that it would be a good idea to turn violent, think again." Beck issued a "warning" to his television audience: "If anyone thinks that it would be a good idea to turn violent, think again. It would destroy the republic." He stated that "just one lunatic, like Timothy McVeigh, could ruin everything that everyone has worked so hard for" and instructed his audience that it was their "patriotic duty" to stop anyone they heard thinking about becoming violent. [Glenn Beck, 8/3/09]
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Dirk Hayhurst: Baseball always has more room for learning
No one misses what goes on in the big leagues. No one. Everything you've done or ever will do, from glory to complete disaster, is recorded in multiple slow motion angles behind high definition lenses.
Commentators will relay it, analysts will review it, and you will relive it.
That is why you play the game. The reason you brave odds that make getting struck by lightning seem like a sure thing. The reason you chase a dream that runs countless would-be prospects into poverty. The chance at immortality beckons you.
You could have it: be a legend in the eyes of a child, a star in the gaze of the masses, a story for lifelong fans. Or you could be a joke that simply won't die.
I was well aware of this when I fumed into the visiting locker room after unceremoniously leaving a game against the Washington Nationals this season.
At the time, the Nats were the worst team in baseball. But that night, I loaded the bases by, among other things, blowing a play at first base that I've been working on since Little League.
A ground ball to the right side of the infield means the pitcher breaks to first to cover the bag. This time, as the ball rolled, pulling wide the first basemen while the runner jetted down the line, I stood on the mound with my finger up my nose. Soon, I made the walk of shame into the shadows.
Tearing them off in disgust, I threw my glove into my locker. My hat and jersey followed. Each piece landed where heaved — the first time I hit my spots in three consecutive attempts all night.
Next, I flopped into my locker chair and clasped my sweaty brow in my hands. Just how bad was this going to look on my record? How did the commentators describe it? What were the coaches thinking?
What would the sports writers in my hometown print? Would the whispers of my legend turn into chuckles?
Across the locker room's plush interior, one of my senior teammates sat in a comfortable leather conference chair — the kind I cowered in silence around or fetched Gatorades for as if I were an indentured servant.
Having more time in the Bigs than I have had in facial hair, he sat aloof, reclined with his legs up, watching the game via the locker room's video feed, in between mulling over pitching statistics in case he was called from the bench.
He was oblivious to my frustration, and the flurry of foul words that accompanied it. To him, this was just another day at the office.
When my anger subsided, giving way to desperation, I came whimpering to the veteran. I led off with small talk, but what I really wanted was to hear him, a man of experience, tell me I was OK, that maybe it wasn't as bad as it looked.
"Embarrassed yourself on that ball to first, huh?" he said.
My head sunk immediately.
"Don't worry," he offered dismissively, eyes still on the screen above.
"That's easy for you to say. You've got more than 10 years in The Show. I'm still trying to prove I can stick."
"You'll get more chances. You did a lot of stuff right," he added.
I might have, but I couldn't remember any at the time.
"So what if I did," I continued my pouting, "it only takes one big blunder like that, and then everyone thinks you can't get the job done."
My veteran-turned-therapist sat up and looked at me.
"People don't think about that stuff every second, not like you are right now,' he said. "Don't forget, they have their own issues. Nothing is as big as it seems in the moment. The only person sitting around keeping track of all the dumb stuff you do is you. If you let it go, it doesn't matter what other people remember."
He exhaled casually, then put his feet back up.
"You'll get more chances. Worry about those — they're the ones that matter now. Oh, and just so we're clear, I'd tell you that whether you messed up today or not."
I thought about the words. They were wise indeed.
"Thanks," I said. "That's some good advice."
"I know," he replied. "Now go grab me a Gatorade, rook."
Repository contributor Dirk Hayhurst is a former Mid-American Conference Pitcher of the Year at Kent State University. The 28-year-old right-hander currently is a member of the Toronto Blue Jays, and his book, "The Bullpen Gospels: Major League Dreams of a Minor-League Veteran" is available for order at Amazon.com. Follow Hayhurst on Twitter at www.twitter/TheGarfoose.


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No one wants to grab a bucket every time it rains. Like most people, you too do not want to deal with roof repairs as they require the investment of time, effort, and money. However, ignoring small, inexpensive roof repairs can turn into a nightmare quickly. Since the roof comprises about one-third of the home's exterior, any damage can compromise the integrity of your home. Thus, it is critical to have your roof inspected annually to identify signs of damage.
At Great Lakes Building Concepts, we can provide exceptional quality repairs and trusted solutions for any type of roofing damage in Grand Rapids. Our team has the equipment and the training to meet all your roofing needs – everything under one roof! From storm damage and leaks to fallen trees, we can handle it all.
Grand Rapids Roof Replacement
Over time, even the best roofing system will start to develop problems. Sometimes, it is best to have it replaced entirely than spend on repairs every few weeks. When done right, a new roof will upgrade your home's curb appeal, insulate your home properly, protect against storms and enhance your investment. If your roof needs replacement in Grand Rapids, we provide high-quality installations and services for all roofing types such as metal roofs, asphalt shingle roofs, flat roofs, cedar shakes, TPO, PVC, slate, tile, etc.
Whether you are interested in replacing your damaged roof or wish to upgrade to a new roofing system, our roofing team can install a new roof that is attractive, durable, and within your budget. You can trust us to finish your roof replacement project well on time and without any hassles and stress, you expect with such a massive renovation project.
Grand Rapids Metal Roofing
Beautiful and highly durable, metal roofing is one of the top renovation-friendly roofing materials that can last a lifetime. A metal roof can easily last 2 to 3 times more than non-metal roofing systems. Metal roofs possess excellent strength, durability and are fire-resistant. In addition, metal roofs can easily imitate the look of slate, tiles, or asphalt and can be made in any color you wish.
Great Lakes Building Concepts has been installing and repairing metal roofs in Grand Rapids for years. We have built a reputation for being professional, dependable, and detail-oriented when it comes to metal roofs. Whether you are replacing your existing roof or looking to have your metal roof repaired, we can perfectly accommodate all your needs.
Grand Rapids Asphalt Shingle Roofing
With a large variety of options, economical production, longer lifespan, and relative ease of installation, asphalt shingles are one of the top choices as roofing materials among Grand Rapids homeowners. With proper maintenance, asphalt shingles can easily last for more than 20 years with ease. Asphalt shingles are quite versatile and can be used for roofs with many different shapes and angles that many other materials cannot.
At Great Lakes Building Concepts of Grand Rapids, we understand you need your roof to last through thick and thin. We are equipped to repair, replace and maintain your asphalt shingle roof. Our roofers are knowledgeable in roofing products and excellent installation – a distinction that guarantees the highest quality workmanship and best service possible.
Grand Rapids Slate Roofing
If you are looking for a new roof that will last for a lifetime, slate is the material that will fulfill this need perfectly. This naturally occurring material is known to be one of the highest qualities and also the most durable roofing type there is. A slate roof can offer your home the ultimate representation of elegance and style apart from reliability and durability.
Slate roofs offer a distinct look that not every homeowner wishes to give up. We are called upon to repair slate roofs after a leak or when they discover missing slates. Our Grand Rapids slate roofers are thoroughly training in the repair and installation of slate roofing using the latest and the most reliable methods. Whether your roof need repair to a portion of roof tiles, routing repairs, or an entire replacement of slate roof, we are here to help you!
Grand Rapids Tile Roofing
The durability, beauty, and sustainability of tile roofs on homes make it an appealing option for many homeowners in Grand Rapids. They are among the oldest and visually appealing than most other roof types. However, tile roofing materials are difficult to work with and need years of experience and knowledge to work with tile roofs efficiently.
Great Lakes Building Concepts has been installing and repairing tile roofs in Grand Rapids for decades and has built a reputation of being reliable and skilled. Our roofers will work with you to determine the type of tile roof that will work best with the architectural design of your home. Any repairs on existing tile roofs are done with accurate color matching that will easily blend, and you'll not even know that any work has been done on the roof.
Grand Rapids Commercial Roofing Company
Most people wouldn't be able to distinguish between residential and commercial roofs, but there are some major differences in the materials and the design. It is vital for commercial and industrial buildings to have a strong and durable roof that will protect them from wind, water, and other hazards that can affect their business. When commercial building owners realize they require a new roof or repairs, it can be overwhelming to make the right decision. But, when you have experienced a roofing company like us by your side, you should expect nothing but professional, responsible, and safe services from us.
From the initial consultation and estimate to the completion of your commercial roofing project, Great Lakes Building Concepts provide you with unparalleled commercial roofing expertise but with old-fashioned customer service in Grand Rapids.
Grand Rapids, MI Flat Roofing Repair & Replacement
As with other types of roofing, flat roofs come with their own set of problems. From surface cracks, water pooling, leaks, membrane buckling, and flashing, there are a number of ways in which flat roofs can get damaged. But proper flat roof repairs can add years of life to your building. But sometimes, flat roof replacement makes more sense financially.
Fortunately, Great Lakes Building Concepts help assess the damage and find the best roofing solution for your business. We can easily handle all types of flat roof repairs and replacements for all types of commercial and industrial buildings. We can also help you better protect your flat roof with appropriate coating. With our commitment and long-term warranty, we are confident to solve your flat roofing problem and help guard against future problems.
Grand Rapids TPO Roof Repair and Replacement
TPO roofing is a type of single-ply roofing membrane that is widely used on a number of commercial buildings in Grand Rapids. TPO is a short form for thermoplastic polyolefin, which is the main chemical used for such roofing material. They are popularly used on low-slope commercial buildings because they are durable, fire-resistant, and have reflective capabilities, but they are not indestructible and will need repair.
If you experience any problems with the TPO roof on your building, our Grand Rapids roofers can do more than just address the cosmetic problem. We can help identify any underlying issues and fix them before they turn into significant problems later. We can also carry out TPO roof installation if you are considering upgrading your existing commercial roofing system. From ongoing maintenance to emergency TPO roofing services, we can ensure your building's TPO roof system is prepared to protect your building for decades to come.
Grand Rapids, Michigan EPDM Rubber Roofing Contractor
EPDM stands for Ethylene Propylene Diene Terpolymer and is a polymer blend that can easily withstand all types of weather elements and are an ideal material for commercial buildings. They are light and flexible and can be used on low, flat, or steep roofs. They are long-lasting that will keep the roof on your commercial space watertight for years.
Great Lakes Building Concepts: Grand Rapids Roofing Company is one of the leading companies for the installation of EPDM roofs in Grand Rapids. However, we do more than installations. We provide EPDM repairs for damages caused due to storms or regular wear and tear. As a local Grand Rapids company, we understand the importance of personalized attention and want you to be involved every step of the way.
Grand Rapids PVC Roof Repair and Replacement
Polyvinyl chloride or PVC is a single-ply membrane that is a popular roofing solution for commercial buildings. The membrane is malleable and is modified to suit different sizes and shapes of rooftops. They are exceptionally durable, resilient, and impervious to moisture. However, they can degrade quickly from exposure to different elements.
Do not let storm damage or leaky roof limit your operations. Our Grand Rapids PVC commercial roofers are efficient and effective to help keep your building running as smoothly as possible. Our experts will evaluate and determine if any years are left in your roof's life. We then use the results to help you make the right decision for your building. We will work around your schedule to minimize disruption to your business.
Grand Rapids Storm Damage Roofing Company
Wild weather in Grand Rapids can wreak havoc on your roof as high winds can shift or blow off the roof or cause leaks through the weak areas. The worst part is that it is not always possible to assess the damage from the ground up. Any damage to your roof, whether minor or major, need to be dealt with quickly. To prevent matters from becoming worse, give us a call for an honest evaluation of your roof. Over the years, we have repaired roofing systems damaged due to windstorms, hail storms, thunderstorms, hurricanes, and tornadoes across Grand Rapids, Michigan. Whether your roof requires repairs of individual sections or a complete roof replacement, we can ensure your roof is repaired or replaced to code.
Don't wait till the last minute to get emergency roof repairs, as the longer you take, the more expensive the repairs become. If you need an insurance claim for your damaged roof, we would be happy to help you through the process and make the experience hassle-free.
Should You Repair or Replace Your Grand Rapids Roof?
When your roof starts showing signs of damage, it can be difficult to know whether roof repair is sufficient or a roof replacement makes more sense. We can help you decide which option is best for your home.
Some factors to help you decide whether to replace or repair or roof are –
Age of the Roof
If your roof is already at the end of its lifespan, replacing the roof makes more sense. But, if your roof is damaged in some parts but is generally in good shape, repairs make more sense.
The Extent of Damage
According to experts, roof repairs are best only if the damages cover about 30 percent or less of your roof. Repairs for roofs beyond that threshold will most likely be too expensive.
How Long You Intend to Be in the Home
If you plan to live in the house for a few more years and the roof is otherwise in good condition, repairs would be a more cost-effective option.
Repair Work will be a Temporary Stop-Gap
While a roof replacement will cost more than repairs, sometimes the difference is not always substantial. If the prices between the two are minor, roof replacement would be a better investment.
The Roof is Not Compliant with Latest Building Codes
If your roof does not comply with the current building codes, you will run into problems if you decide to sell your property. So, instead of opting for repairs, have it replaced to ensure you comply with the local law.
Your Budget
For many people, roof replacement is not an option as they do not have it in their budget. But re-roofing is still an option provided there is no damage to the deck. The key is to have a quality roof on your home that can easily last for ten years or more.
Consider the Hidden Costs
When deciding to replace the roof, consider additional costs such as gutter replacement or landscape damage. When collecting quotes, make sure you get a comprehensive estimate detailing the entire project's costs to help you make the right decision.
We can help you weigh the options and provide you with the most budget-conscious solution without putting your roof at risk. Unlike other roofers, we are not pushy salespeople and would not scare you into buying a new roof unless it is extremely necessary. We provide roofing solutions that work well within your budget.
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Trust our roofers to protect your roof. Our team at Great Lakes Building Concepts: Grand Rapids Roofing Company, handles all roofs of all sizes on all types of buildings. We handle everything from start to finish. As a premier roofing company, we stand ready to help you with any installation, repair, replacement, and maintenance services you might need for your home or business.
We offer free inspections throughout Grand Rapids. Give us a call, and we will send one of our local, experienced roofers out to your location to take a closer look at your roof and provide customized solutions.
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Common questions
Below we've put together some answers to the most frequently asked questions
Each roof is different, and can have a few variables that can affect the final price of your project. We
offer free inspections to allow us to present you with the most accurate cost for your roof with no
hidden costs along the way.
In most cases, a complete roofing system can be installed in one day. However, this can change
depending on the size and scope of the project.
Metal roofing can come in several different forms, each offering a unique balance of benefits and
price points. We offer several metal options to fit all budgets depending on your roofing needs. Our
specialist will inspect your home, and present all options to ensure you are getting the best roof for your
Yes, we offer a wide array of financing to allow home owners to improve their home now, and pay
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Michael William Balfe, Irish composer best remembered for his opera The Bohemian Girl, is born in Dublin on May 15, 1808.
Balfe's musical gifts become apparent at an early age. He receives instruction from his father, a dancing master and violinist, and the composer William Rooke. His family moves to Wexford when he is a child.
In 1817, Balfe appears as a violinist in public, and in this year composes a ballad, first called "Young Fanny" and afterwards, when sung in Paul Pry by Lucia Elizabeth Vestris, "The Lovers' Mistake". In 1823, upon the death of his father, he moves to London and is engaged as a violinist in the orchestra of the Theatre Royal, Drury Lane. He eventually becomes the leader of that orchestra. While there, he studies violin with Charles Edward Horn and composition with Charles Frederick Horn.
While still playing the violin, Balfe pursues a career as an opera singer. He debuts unsuccessfully at Norwich in Carl Maria von Weber's Der Freischütz. In 1825, Count Mazzara takes him to Rome for vocal and musical studies and introduces him to Luigi Cherubini. In Italy, he also pursues composing, writing his first dramatic work, a ballet, La Perouse. He becomes a protégée of Gioachino Rossini's, and at the close of 1827, he appears as Figaro in The Barber of Seville at the Italian opera in Paris.
Balfe soon returns to Italy, where he is based for the next eight years, singing and composing several operas. In 1829 in Bologna, he composes his first cantata for the soprano Giulia Grisi, then 18 years old. He produces his first complete opera, I rivali di se stessi, at Palermo in the carnival season of 1829—1830.
Balfe returned to London in May 1835. His initial success takes place some months later with the premiere of The Siege of Rochelle on October 29, 1835 at Drury Lane. Encouraged by his success, he produces The Maid of Artois in 1836, which is followed by more operas in English. In July 1838, Balfe composes a new opera, Falstaff, for The Italian Opera House, based on The Merry Wives of Windsor, with an Italian libretto by S. Manfredo Maggione.
In 1841, Balfe founds the National Opera at the Lyceum Theatre, but the venture is a failure. The same year, he premieres his opera, Keolanthe. He then moves to Paris, presenting Le Puits d'amour in early 1843, followed by his opera based on Les quatre fils Aymon for the Opéra-Comique and L'étoile de Seville for the Paris Opera. Meanwhile, in 1843, he returns to London where he produces his most successful work, The Bohemian Girl, on November 27, 1843 at the Theatre Royal, Drury Lane. The piece runs for over 100 nights, and productions are soon mounted in New York, Dublin, Philadelphia, Vienna, Sydney, and throughout Europe and elsewhere.
From 1846 to 1852, Balfe is appointed musical director and principal conductor for the Italian Opera at Her Majesty's Theatre. There he first produces several of Giuseppe Verdi's operas for London audiences. He conducts for Jenny Lind at her opera debut and on many occasions thereafter.
In 1851, in anticipation of The Great Exhibition in London, Balfe composes an innovative cantata, Inno Delle Nazioni, sung by nine female singers, each representing a country. He continues to compose new operas in English, including The Armourer of Nantes (1863), and writes hundreds of songs. His last opera, nearly completed when he dies, is The Knight of the Leopard and achieves considerable success in Italian as Il Talismano.
Balfe retires in 1864 to Hertfordshire, where he rents a country estate. He dies at his home in Rowney Abbey, Ware, Hertfordshire, on October 20, 1870 and is buried at Kensal Green Cemetery in London, next to fellow Irish composer William Vincent Wallace. In 1882, a medallion portrait of him is unveiled in Westminster Abbey.
In all, Balfe composes at least 29 operas. He also writes several cantatas and a symphony. His only large-scale piece that is still performed regularly today is The Bohemian Girl.


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The dishes in the dishwasher may be dirty, but that's no reason to resort to boring and ugly methods for warning people about the bacteria-laden dangers slathered onto the plates and utensils inside. There are more aesthetically pleasing ways to protect the members of your family who reach directly into the washer and eat from the surface of whatever is inside. That's why I've created a magnetic flower "sign," which can be placed onto the door of the dishwasher when the dishes inside are dirty. Previously, we've just shoved a paper towel into the top of the washer and closed it so that it dangled around the front panel of the door, but I've walked by it several times and have asked myself, "Don't we deserve better?" We do! We really do!
So, I've taken matters into my hands and have sounded an emphatic craft alert so that Nate, Alex, and the cat can take shelter or field trips—or anything they deem necessary in order to survive the 10-15 minutes it took for me to make this craft for the dishwasher. Here's what you'll need if you decide to make this project:
1) Magnetic backing/strips, which you can find in crafts supplies stores, OR: I used the magnetic "Student Driver, Please Be Patient Sign" that Alex no longer needs, since he has his driver's license. Nate didn't want him to remove this sign from his car, but I had planned ahead and bought "New Driver" magnetic strips to replace the "Student Driver" sign. Either way, Alex is still safe AND embarrassed. 😉
2) Origami or tissue paper—cut into square pieces—any size really.
3) Tape/stapler/ "Gorilla Glue."
Use one square piece of paper—any color—as a background.
Then, just pinch the middle of the other squares and twist them around in any which way so that you end up with a free-form flower of sorts. Hold it together with staples or tape .Use any means necessary.
Tape, staple, or glue the "flowers" into the center of the background square.
"Gorilla Glue" the whole thing onto the magnetic backing/strips.
Results/Further Experiments:
Unfortunately, Nate and Alex were busy when I sounded the craft alert, so they didn't make it out of the house in time. However, after viewing the resulting craft, Alex gave me a very enthusiastic "thumbs up." Nate, on the other hand, expressed concern about the message it was sending.
"Does the pretty flower sign mean that the dishes are clean or dirty?" he asked.
"If you see this magnet on the dishwasher, it means that the dishes are dirty. It's the opposite of what you would think. That way it's easier to remember."
"Of course," Nate said. "Of course."
Then, he told me that while the flower was cheerful and festive and everything, there was no reason to sound the craft alert.
"Yes, there was a reason to sound the craft alert," I argued. "We can't keep dangling paper towels from the dishwasher door like they're some kind of sad 'surrender' flag. I had to do something!"
"We already have something that's even better," he said with a smile.
Then, Nate opened the pantry door and took out a magnetic chip clip. He placed it onto the dishwasher door and at first, I didn't think this was such a good idea, but then he placed a bag of chips into the teeth of the clip, and the whole look just came together.
"It's perfect! It's a look that says, 'The dishes are dirty; have a snack that does not involve dishes. Just eat from a bag.'"
Still, I couldn't let a good flower project that involves "up-cycling" a student driver sign go to waste. Also, there's plenty of room on a dishwasher door to display as many signs as needed to get a "dirty dishes" message across. So, this is the new procedure for now—and I think it's pretty clear:
–If the dishwasher door is displaying the chip clip with the flower magnet in its teeth, it's perfectly fine to open the dishwasher door and use the plates inside. They are clean.
–If the dishwasher door is displaying the chip clip with a bag of chips in its teeth and the flower magnet is also on the door at the same time, the dishes inside are dirty.
–If the chip clip has both the flower magnet and the chips in its teeth, half of the dishes are clean and half are dirty. It's up to you to figure out which ones are clean. Choose wisely.
–If more flower magnets suddenly turn up and the New Driver sign is missing, Alex, you're in trouble 🙂
Your Turn: What's a craft you've made recently?


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Most of us who have spent much time working for large companies have experienced inadvertent "reply all" e-mails. You know how it goes: company-wide e-mail goes out and someone hits "reply all." If you're particularly unlucky, it will set off a barrage of messages chiding the original poster from hitting the wrong button in his or her e-mail client. The Department of Homeland Security caused a similar problem earlier this week, flooding inboxes of subscribers to its Open Source Intelligence Report when it set the reply-to address to copy all list members.
All it took was a single request for a change, according to SANS Internet Storm Center director Marcus H. Sachs, and events were set in motion for what turned out to be a mini distributed-denial-of-service attack. "Dozens" of list members replied to the original message, and six hours after the first message was sent, there were 275 e-mails sent to everyone on the list.
The e-mailing continued to steamroll to the point that over 2.2 million messages were bouncing across the list and flooding inboxes. Apparently not realizing that the problem was on their end, DHS and Defense Department admins asked list members to "kindly stop now please."
Eventually, the DHS figured out that it was a problem on their end. It was "human error," DHS spokesperson Russ Knocke told the New York Times. A bit more digging by the Internet Storm Center turned up the real problem. Instead of using a proper mailing list administration program like Majordomo, the admin efforts of DHS consisted of a single Lotus Notes e-mail address set up to cc the list's thousands of subscribers. The human error likely came from a DHS admin tweaking the list settings.
Embarrassing as they are, the DHS' problems aren't all that surprising given the degree to which the Department struggles with cybersecurity. The most recent Report Card on Computer Security at Federal Departments and Agencies gave Homeland Security a D. The Department managed to squeak by with the passing grade after finally developing a full inventory of its information security apparatus and improving in some of its other problem areas. Given that the DHS is apparently still struggling to figure out how to run a simple e-mail list, it wouldn't be surprising to see the agency get detention after next year's report cards come out.


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"I make noises for a living, and on a good day it's music," says Peter Gabriel in today's talk. "I work with a lot of musicians from around the world. Often, we don't have any common language at all. But we sit behind our instruments and suddenly there's a way to connect and emote." This […]Continue reading


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this dazzling new cookbook, Susie Fishbein helps you prepare
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"I want the cook to feel like I'm standing in the kitchen, guiding every
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Never before has a kosher cookbook become an international bestseller in less
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Northeast Corridor: Dealing With Capacity
To build high-speed rail on the Northeast Corridor cheaply, intercity trains will have to share tracks with regional trains at several locations, which between them comprise a majority of the corridor. At most of these, commuter traffic is heavy enough that it must be accommodated in some way; only in a minority is it so insignificant that Amtrak can feasibly kick trains out if need be. So far I've only explained how track-sharing can be done between Boston and Providence and between New York and New Rochelle, both far from the busiest segments of the corridor.
I'd like to start tackling the more difficult segments, New York-Trenton and New Rochelle-Stamford. Thankfully, they are almost fully four-tracked; the one exception is the North River Tunnels and the immediate approaches, where there is little speed difference between intercity and regional trains. Unfortunately, even four tracks are not enough to provide full separation between services that do not run at the same speed, because those corridors are busy enough to warrant both local and express commuter service. This requires some scheduling creativity. In both cases, what is required is having express commuter trains weave between the local tracks and the intercity tracks.
As before, my explicit assumptions are that the rolling stock is optimized, and that speed limits except those coming from right-of-way geometry have already been eliminated. However, since unlike the MBTA, Metro-North runs good rolling stock, and New Jersey Transit runs passable rolling stock, we can't realistically expect either to buy the most powerful regional trains on the market; that said, New Jersey Transit is looking into new trains, and we will assume those trains will be in line with the high-performance but heavy Silverliner Vs. What we can expect is better on-time performance and less schedule padding. The amount of commuter traffic is assumed to be similar to or slightly higher than today; the outer ends of both lines can be expected to lose traffic from commuter to intercity trains, but the rest will not.
Complicating all this is the requirement of making all the trains cohere into one line. In other words, unlike the situation for Boston-Providence, Newark-Trenton can't stand on its own; the trains need to depart Newark with suitable gaps to allow trains to come in from the Kearny Connection. Likewise, New Rochelle-New Haven needs to feed into New Rochelle-New York in such a way that trains can share tracks on that segment. The most difficult portion is then combining the two commuter halves of the Northeast Corridor together to allow through-running, without holding commuter trains for too long at Penn Station. One possibility is to expand the entire route between the tunnels and Newark to a long overtake segment, and have all commuter trains stop at Secaucus to further slow them down and permit intercity trains that arrived at New York second to arrive at Newark first.
Current peak traffic on New Jersey Transit's Northeast Corridor and North Jersey Coast lines is 13 trains per hour. Of those, only 2 make local stops from Rahway north, and both are North Jersey Coast trains. An additional 2 trains are express North Jersey Coast trains, leaving us with 9 trains at Metropark (3 stopping from New Brunswick, 3 more stopping from Jersey Avenue, 3 super-express from Trenton).
The introduction of high-speed trains would change the distribution of demand dramatically. From Trenton, HSR would be far faster. Even from Princeton Junction, it would be substantially faster to take a commuter train south to Trenton and connect to HSR to New York. For passengers desiring a one-seat ride, trains could continue to run, but make more stops along the way. We may suppose that no commuter train will skip any stop from Metropark south, and that an additional 2 trains that currently run express to New Brunswick or Jersey Avenue will run local, providing the Rahway-Newark segment with a peak local traffic of 4 tph.
The desired ideal is that all commuter trains will stay away from the inner two tracks, with brief forays when absolutely necessary. The above rule regarding local runs ensures no overtakes among the commuter trains take place south of Rahway. We are then left with the task of ensuring all overtakes north of Rahway make use of the two existing six-track segments, around Newark Airport, and from just south of the Elizabeth curve to Union Interlocking between the mainline and the North Jersey Coast Line, the latter segment including Linden and Rahway.
Because the southern six-track segment persists through the interlocking, it provides a fully separated route between local coast trains and express mainline trains, and also between local mainline trains and express coast trains southbound. Slightly modifying the interlocking to allow a separated northbound path between local mainline and express coast trains that does not use the inner two tracks may be required.
Now, a Silverliner V running at 160 km/h appears to lose about 90 seconds to a high-platform stop. For the record, a FLIRT would lose 75 seconds. Since there are five local stops north of the interlocking, we have to deal with 7.5 minutes. With 2-minute headways, this means local trains can depart Newark 9.5 technical minutes ahead of express trains on the same branch (mainline or coast), and 6.5 ahead of express trains on the opposite branch. Since 11/9.5 = 1.16 and a 16% pad is excessive, 11 scheduled minutes of separation are enough, and we obtain the following option for departure times out of Newark:
Express :00
Express :02
Express :04
Local :06
Express :15
Express :17
Each local must serve a different branch from the express immediately following, since 9 < 9.5. The express afterward – for example the :17 express after the :06 local – is separated by 11 minutes, and so can run on any branch. This allows 16 tph, of which 4 are local, and at least 4 have to run on the New Jersey Coast Line. Of course not every slot has to have a train scheduled in it.
Adding local frequency at the expense of express frequency is possible, but requires tightening the gap between a local train and the express that follows it, unless we allow inconveniences such as serving the local stations at highly irregular intervals. For example, 10-minute local headways allow trains to depart Newark at,
Express :00
Local :02
Express :10
Local :12
The 8-minute difference means each express must serve a different destination from the preceding local, and this underserves the mainline at only 6 tph. We can add stops to the express trains (or saddle them with inferior, locomotive-hauled rolling stock), but two stops are required, unless New Jersey Transit makes sure to get cutting-edge trains, which is unlikely; with FLIRTs, the time difference shrinks from 7.5 minutes to 6.25 and only one stop is required. In either case, we might as well squeeze an :x8 express, also serving a different destination from the local ahead of it.
Another option is to use the Linden-Rahway segment for overtakes. Trains lose 3 minutes there. If we add an infill stop, they lose 4.5, which is very close to the 4 minutes required to switch the order of two trains. This means express trains need to approach Linden 2-2.5 minutes behind the locals, and thus leave Newark 7 minutes behind. We obtain,
Local :00
Express :07
Express :09 (different destination from the :00 local)
(12-minute clockface pattern)
Since 12-minute schedules are generally awkward and my New York-New Rochelle proposal uses 10- (below) or 15-minute schedules (in the original link), we should add a Newark Airport or Elizabeth stop to the express trains, and then they leave Newark about 5-5.5 minutes behind the locals, and we can have a 7.5-minute pattern, which divides 15 evenly. Alternatively, we can add the stop and then have a 10-minute pattern again. We either get 6 local and 12 express slots with each express serving a different destination from the local behind it, or 8 local and 8 express slots, and there is no restriction on destination:
Local :00
Express :05
Express :07
Local :10
Express :15
Express :17
Local :00
Express :05
Local :07
Express :13
Local :15
Express :20
Note that nowhere here does HSR share tracks with anything except maybe in the Newark Penn Station throat, under any of the options. Thus, any discussion of HSR speed zones is irrelevant, except perhaps at the final stage when some tweaks to the basic schedule are under consideration.
New Rochelle-Stamford
Like Newark-Trenton, this is a four-track segment. However, commuter traffic here is heavier, and there are no six-track segments. Instead, overtakes between express commuter trains and intercity trains must be done on bypass segments. The one that we will consider is, as I outlined before, a route from just south of Rye to between Greenwich and Cos Cob, following the I-95 right-of-way.
No HSR on the New Haven Line should be considered with New Rochelle as it is. The flat junction and S-curve together severely constrain train speed and capacity. Since the junction has to be grade-separated, and some takings are required, we might as well assume the separation allows trains to proceed without crossing opposing traffic no matter where they go. Furthermore, the station should be six-tracked if necessary.
We will also assume the curve has been partially eased, to a radius of 700 meters with appropriate superelevation spirals, permitting our example 375-mm-equivalent-cant trains 150 km/h. We will also assume that Harrison has been partially eased to 1,500 meters, permitting 220; that the curve toward the bypass around Rye is 1,500 meters, which may be slightly too optimistic but not by more than a few seconds of travel time; and that the curves farther north until the Stamford approach are 2,000, permitting 250. The approach to Stamford consists of two curves forming a wide S, the western one at 1,000 (180 km/h) and the eastern one at 800 (160). Note that these upgrades allow express commuter trains to travel at 160 on the shared segments – indeed, they require it to avoid or at least limit cant excess. Local trains have more limited cant because of the needs of freight.
We will assume the number of trains is about the same, with capacity boosted with longer trains; where New Jersey Transit runs 12-car trains because of limited capacity across the Hudson, Metro-North tends to run 8-car trains. Unlike in New Jersey's case, there's little point then in programming more slots for trains.
Let us now consider Easy Mode, with all Metro-North trains using the existing route to Grand Central. We have two track-sharing segments, one between New Rochelle and Rye, and one between Greenwich and Stamford. The first segment is 12 km long and has 3 stations with 2 more at the ends; the second is 8 km long and has 3 stations as well, with just 1 more at one end.
On the first segment, there are 18 Metro-North tph peak today: 12 not stopping at all, 2 stopping only at Harrison, and 4 local. Now if the express trains share tracks with HSR rather than the locals, we will want to schedule trains HSR-express-express repeating every 10 minutes, or HSR-express-express-express repeating every 15; the former allows more versatile HSR slots (local and express), and the 15-minute assumption of New York-New Rochelle has no relevance in Easy Mode.
Current scheduled time between Rye and New Rochelle is 17 minutes for local trains; judging by both rolling stock capability and the local-express schedule difference, nonstop trains take about 10 minutes, and trains stopping at Rye but not New Rochelle take 12. Sped up to 160 km/h, with 7% schedule padding, nonstop trains would take about 6 minutes. HSR would take 3:35, again padded 7%. This means that, with 2-minute headways in both directions (fast-ahead-of-slow, and slow-ahead-of-fast), and 6-minute express commuter trains, we can have (northbound times from New Rochelle, HSR passing and commuter trains passing or stopping):
Express :02
Express :04
This is because by Rye, the :10 HSR is still 3.5 minutes behind the :04 express Metro-North train.
Alternatively, it's possible but very tight to have an express-express-local schedule, assuming commuter trains are not sped up but the stop penalty is reduced to 80 seconds (so, 4 minutes for 3 stops), which is feasible at the speeds of the line:
Express :00
Express :02
Local :04
Express :10
This requires express trains to weave effortlessly to tracks 2 and 5 of a 6-track New Rochelle station, or to stop at New Rochelle.
A mixed schedule, with half the express trains sharing track with HSR and half with the local trains, is also feasible, but is essentially like drinking half coffee and half tea: while the 8-minute local-express gap on the local tracks is fine as it is, the gap on the HSR tracks requires speeding up the express trains anyway.
Note that if the all express trains share tracks with HSR, it is trivial to add local service, or to replace express trains with locals.
The other segment is easier, because it is shorter and lower-traffic, with only 13 tph (3 local, the rest express). HSR would take 2:24 with pad; express commuter trains take 7 today and could take 3:24 with a speed-up. The speed-up would be very significant here as this is a slow segment today, with the movable Cos Cob Bridge restricting speeds. The present speed difference is already almost small enough to allow HSR-express-express, as above; we need to cut another 36 seconds from the express travel time, which we can do with improved reliability reducing padding (the pad I've observed between Stamford and Grand Central is 10 minutes). Local-express-express would be 7 vs. 12 minutes, and if locals could consistently take just 11 minutes, as some already do, or if expresses could easily weave to the express tracks just north of Greenwich after HSR trains diverge to the bypass, then it would be feasible.
To finish Easy Mode, let us reconcile the two segments, which after all are populated by the same trains. If we have HSR-express-express on both segments and use the bypass as an overtake, we need to ensure that a commuter train that was 2 minutes ahead of HSR before is now 4 minutes behind after: 4, and not 2, because each HSR train overtakes 2 express trains. Losing 6 minutes is difficult, as the current local travel time between Greenwich and Rye is just 7 minutes. But with approaches this is a bit more than 8 minutes, and HSR would do the segment in 2:08, padded. This has the only drawback of awkwardly making express trains make stops at Greenwich (understandable given traffic), Port Chester, and Rye.
As an alternative, we can also do local-express-express on one segment and HSR-express-express on the other. Since the HSR-express-express schedule is tighter on the southern segment, the southern segment should have local-express-express. This only requires us to avoid having trains run a mixture of local and express too much: as two of the Greenwich-Stamford locals run express south of Greenwich and three of the Harrison-New Rochelle locals only run as far north as Harrison, we can simply combine those to create more locals going all the way from Stamford to Grand Central.
Now, let us move on to Hard Mode, which includes New Rochelle-New York. A consistent 15-minute schedule does not look possible to me on New Rochelle-Stamford without reducing peak commuter traffic to 16 tph, for example by lengthening trains and platforms. If that were done, 8 tph local on the local tracks with 4 turning at or south of Greenwich, and 8 tph express in HSR-express-express pattern on the southern shared segment, would be feasible.
So let us consider 10-minute schedules. HSR and express trains run at almost the same speed, since there are few areas south of New Rochelle on which even 200 km/h is at all feasible. The difference between HSR and express 145 km/h M8s (stopping at New Rochelle and Sunnyside), as already investigated in my original post on the subject, is 3:15 without pad, and 3:29 with. This means the express needs to leave New Rochelle up to 4.5 minutes after the HSR train, so that it will arrive at Sunnyside 8 minutes after, and 2 ahead of the next HSR. With a 9-minute time difference between HSR and the express trains from Greenwich to New Rochelle, this requires the express to be at least 4.5 minutes ahead of HSR at Greenwich, which with very minor speed-up is possible. What this means is that with mixed HSR-express-express and local-express-express as in Easy Mode, the first express after each HSR will go to Penn Station and the second one will go to Grand Central.
The question then is what to do with local trains. If they only go as far north as Co-op City, then it's easy; with the exception of Hell Gate Bridge, the tracks in the Bronx would have to be four-tracked anyway to allow some overtake, and since there's room, there's not much traffic now, and this represents an expansion of Metro-North service, we can safely assume four-tracking. In that case local trains, making no stops in Queens except Sunnyside, would run at the same speed as the express trains on the two-track segment south of Hunts Point, and could be scheduled anywhere. An Astoria stop would require them to be scheduled immediately after the HSR and express trains southbound, which is feasible as near Sunnyside those would be close together already, with the express just ahead of HSR.
Of course, as this is Hard Mode, we cannot assume the local trains turn at Co-op City. Instead, we will make them turn at New Rochelle, or ideally run through farther north as locals. Now, southbound HSR trains, we have established, pass New Rochelle at :00, express trains leave at :04:30 and :06:30, and local trains leave at :02:30. This means we should extend four-tracking at Co-op City such that the local goes at the exact same speed as the express, which does stop at New Rochelle, until after it diverges to the local tracks at Co-op City; alternatively, if there is room in the schedule, we can have the local trains leave at :02 and then there is enough room.
Rearrangement of trains heading toward Hell Gate should be considered a trivial problem: if locals are too far ahead, or too far behind, the number of stops could be adjusted, or they could be held at the Bronx stations longer. Because the time difference between a local and an HSR in the Bronx and Queens combined is just under 10 minutes, the first option would require an extra stop or two or longer dwell times, making the local lose a full 10-minute headway and thus come immediately after the next HSR. By then the express has shifted back to about :07-:08 and so it's not a threat even if the local does make an Astoria stop.
None of this is elegant. The schedules don't necessarily match. Local HSR trains would add extra complications, though at least they'd reduce the speed difference with commuter trains in Metro-North territory. All agencies involved need to be on the same page. Through-running would involve a multi-overtake schedule, in which the most local trains get overtaken several times, by different classes of trains (HSR and express). Punctuality doesn't have to be Japanese, but it needs to be Swiss, or else the entire edifice collapses.
And it's still far cheaper than trying to overbuild everything to prevent this mess. The only commuter trains sharing track with HSR in this region are Metro-North, and those are fairly punctual, though this involves heavy padding. The rolling stock assumed is already in operation or in the procurement stage. The track repairs required are straightforward, and the curve modifications required, while annoying, are not the end of the world; the one greenfield bypass follows an existing Interstate, and the takings required, while nonzero, are low.
The travel time implied for this is a little more than 17 minutes from Newark to Trenton, for an intercity train stopping only at Newark (though this requires a top speed of 360 km/h causing severe noise impact in New Brunswick and Trenton), a little more than 8 between New Rochelle and Stamford, and just less than 10 between Sunnyside and New Rochelle. Depending on how much speed can be squeezed out of narrow tunnels and a new Portal Bridge, about 11 minutes Sunnyside-Newark, including New York and Newark dwell times, could be done; this is about 46 minutes Stamford-Trenton, a segment that Amtrak currently does in 1:45 excluding the long New York dwell time. And the amount of concrete pouring required is quite small for an hour's worth of travel time reduction. Even a top speed that's less noisy and ambitious, and lower speeds through the existing tunnels, do not raise this travel time far above 50 minutes.
Great things are possible if we first look at what is feasible, and then demand that agencies cooperate to achieve it, instead of program everything around public transportation agencies that act like rival gangs. If everything is optimized right, travel times not much higher than those Amtrak is targeting become possible, for a small fraction of the price, and capacity constraints can be kicked down the road to when passenger rail makes enough money to pay to relieve them. Organization, electronics, and small, strategic concrete pouring can go a long way. The choice is not between HSR for a twelve-figure sum and small improvements for an eleven-figure sum; it's between low-cost HSR and agency turf battles.


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Shockingly, AT&T and Verizon were behind ill-fated BlackBerry "Apple Killer" Storm and Torch
Remember those stories about BlackBerry maker RIM working on what they internally referred to as an "Apple Killer"? Remember how that turned out for them with the BlackBerry Storm and BlackBerry Torch? Well, it turns out everyone has Verizon and AT&T to thank for that. Shocking, right?
A new round of interviews with former RIM employees has revealed that AT&T and Verizon had recruited RIM to make an iPhone competitor. We all know how that panned out. Verizon's earlier efforts resulted in the BlackBerry Storm, while AT&T's created the BlackBerry Torch. Vodafone had also collaborated with RIM to specifically launch something that could give iPhone a decent fight. Why would AT&T, which at the time had an exclusive lockdownon the iPhone, and Verizon, who had been clamoring for it, want to go out of their way to create a competitor? Supposedly carriers were worried that "the wild popularity of the iPhone could give Apple outsize influence in the market," which I take to mean Apple was throwing its weight around a little too liberally for the new guy on the block, and service providers needed to prove they had alternatives in order to maintain any bargaining leverage against Apple.
At the time, AT&T's network was in shambles, and maybe they hoped to offset some of the load with a device that offered efficient data compression. Verizon had some time to kill before AT&T's exclusive ended, so any phone (BlackBerry, Android, or otherwise) that would be an asset to keeping subscribers from drifting away. Apparently co-CEO Jim Balsillie saw and ignored a report in 2010 that warned virtual keyboards made popular by the iPhone would pose a serious threat. Balsillie also wasn't worried about the bring-your-own-device trend in businesses after seeing another similar internal report. Now RIM's device management solution supports iPhone and Android, and Balsillie's later plans to license usage of RIM services to other manufacturers were cut when Heins took up the CEO position.
Things are looking grim for RIM now that their next generation smartphones won't see the light of day until next year. Considering Heins is fully investigating licensing and acquisition deals, BlackBerry probably won't have another chance to compete against the iPhone or iPad. Can they finally nail it with BlackBerry 10?
Source: WSJ
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Rim will soon go the way of the Betamax.
The only thing is Betamax was a better format than VHS. RIM has never been better than Apple.
A better analogy might be HD DVD vs. Blu Ray
the only thing hd dvd had over blu ray was price, specs were all in blu rays court.
Really, just the price? How about better video quality with smaller size HD discs? It takes bluray up to 50GB to have same video quality that HD DVD was doing in less than 25. Bluray won because sony chose to give it away with the PS3 and owns a lots of movie studios.
Actually Betamax had a very long productive life in professional circles. It was only the introduction of Bluray that ended it's usefulness. I don't see a similar fate for RIM. But they still maintain a deep foothold in the enterprise space.
Actually, that would be Betacam, not Betamax. Similar, but different.
As an entrepreneur myself can say that the reason iPhone or any other apple product was a success while Steve Jobs was behind the company, is because Steve himself is an entrepreneur. The same goes for Google founders. There company is a success including the spread of Android devices due to the same reason, they are entrepreneurs. Tel me that about Samsung, RIM or any other competitor. It is lead by employees, not entrepreneurs. Completely different mindset.
BlackBerry 10 FTW. Everyone is looking for an alternate and BB10 will be it. Even devs are saying how open and great BB10 development is. We'll have to wait and see. BlackBerry is a good company, sponsor hospitals, school, and other charities. I want them to win!
Wanting them to succeed and expecting them to succeed are two different things.
RIM is starting from scratch and trying to build a new phone on a new operating system and integrate it into their existing systems. This new phone has to be able to compete with mature products from better funded competitors. All while bleeding cache and losing nearly 1/4 of their marketshare each quarter.
The odds aren't good.
Apple will soon be playing catch up just like RIM. Ios 6 looks like stuff already found on android 2.3.
You must have rooted your 2.3. I know it.
Not sure why this only just coming up now, its been a long known fact AT&T helped design the Torch and Verizon was behind the BlackBerry Storm. Both companies have been very open about this.
Exactly, we knew this a long time ago (i.e. when these devices were still in development. Anyone who was anyone on the Crackberry forums knew this and much more from our inside sources. To a great extent, that community helped streamline the OS and hardware some for the second version of the Storm. What needs to be said is that Verizon is to blame for the crap hardware that came out as the first Storm. RIM wanted to work on it more and improve the screen design on it and they weren't given the time to do so. The Storm 2 is what RIM wanted to give Verizon as the initial Storm for release. Maybe they should have wated that extra 6-8 months of development instead of releasing that first pos. They probably would have saved themselves a lot of issues and a lot of people being turned off by what they were carrying in their pockets.
Didn't really matter. As soon as Verizon latched onto the Motorola Droid in 2009, the Storm had no chance. The real issue for all carriers is that because the iPhone has a $100 greater subsidy, it is directly costing then money (and they can't really hide it by increasing monthly bill costs only for those subscribers). That's why you see them pushing Android phones relentlessly and Windows Phone 8 devices in the future. Perhaps its better that way, to have some balance in the market because the last time we had a true bona fide monopoly, that didn't end too well.
Doesn't matter. I had a BB Storm 2. It was the abslolutely WORST phone I have ever used. I went through SEVEN of those pieces of crap in 14 months. Compare to one Droid X in 18 (so far) months, three iPhone 3G in 15 months and one Treo 680 in 18 months.
Lol dude! What the hell were you doing to those phones?!!!
Carriers is be silly? That's unpossible!
Yep. This has been know for a few years. Why is this news again?
The news isn't that carriers worked with RIM to make the phones, it's that they were gunning specifically for the iPhone. It's a given that manufacturers will do that, but it's weird that carriers would too, especially in AT&T's case, since you'd think they would be cheerleading the iPhone all the way to the bank.
"[Execs holding an Apple logo sticker] You can only control us for so long! RIM...we have a plan!"
It was smart of them to try to stop Apple, obviously they didn't try hard enough, lol. It's a wrap for RIM.
BB10 will go the way of WebOS. Sure it was superior in many ways to what was available at the time but by the time key products hit the market it was too late. RIM seems to have better hardware but by the time it is available it will look old compared to iPhone 5 and the newest android handsets. Also their brand is now tarnished so continuing to ask premium prices will not work out for them just as it hasn't worked for windows phone so far. I sold my stock yesterday, I bought it at $13 because I thought the company was still making money and BB10 would be out soon so things may work out. I lost around 30% in the last month but when I heard they were going to be reporting a loss I sold before it bled out any more money because there was hope as long as they were profitable, reports say their cash will only last a year to 18 months at this rate and they will be broke, its going to be minimum 6 months before BB10 is supposed to hit and by that time the company is on life support
at this point it doesn't even matter RIM will be starting from scratch and iPhone, android and windows (assuming window apps can be easily ported to windows phone 8) will have millions of users. Developers have no interest in making apps with great tools, they have interest in making money and it takes users to make money and more importantly users who are willing to spend cash for apps. RIM is going to have an impossible mission to penetrate that because business users aren't going to be buying apps and there will be so few users it won't be profitable to develop for it
Re: "At the time, AT&T's network was in shambles..."
Some things never change. :-(
It certainly changed in some areas, like mine (Springfield MA metro area). I have 1mbit or better 3G coverage everywhere I go, with only two small deadlines I've noticed over a 20-mile area. In about half that area I get 4-7mbit data. Maybe that's slow to some people, but for me it's half the bandwidth of my home cable connection.
AT&T's network is still Edge here. Seriously. We never even got 3G.
I thought we already knew these things. Especially the AT&T and the Torch. And a strong feeling Verizon had a heavy hand in the Storm development while it was watching the iPhone fly off the shelves at AT&T.
Basically this confirms that carriers need to stay out of the phone manufacturing and OS business and perfect their side of the business which is handling calls.
They have enough to do to be distracted by trying to tell manufactures how to make the phones. They get off into the abyss that makes them want to develop ways to junk up the phones with their crap malware thinking that it makes them money.
IF they would just concentrate on making sure there are plenty of towers, the towers work, maintain and update the network and we can all coexist. They will make money, manufacturers will make great phones and we'll have great phones that can use data and make calls.
Sad to say i was a victim of the Blackberry Storm. Second biggest waste of money i ever spent on a phone after the Palm Pre Plus.
Ha I had the storm and what a POS that was. It did have some long lines of people waiting for it and sold out alot at first. That was about the last device people were excited about from RIM.
Blackberry Storm. That is why I am no longer an early adopter of phones. Next time I know there is a problem with a phone design, I will take it back right away. My Storm is still sitting in a drawer because I was too honest to sell someone that POS.
Its actually very sad to see Rim bleeding this heavily. If only those former ceo's didn't have their heads up there A$$' then maybe Rim wouldn't have been in the situation there in today. If you head on over to crackberry you'll notice that BB10 has been pushed back even further to Q1 2013.... by that time Iphone 5, Windows 8, Next andorid verison, and whatever else is out there will be released.....
I did have some optimism for Rim but i do believe this has cemented their death in North America.
Here is the deal. We do know that At&t and Verizon were involved in the developtent of the Tourch and Storm. However, If RIM woundlt have been so hungry to develop a phone for the carriers they would not be in this whole mess. RIM shouldve taken their time regadles of any pressure the carriers were giving them, develop a well put smartphone and give Apple some comptition. I was a loyal Blackberry customer for many years and it actually took the iphone 4 to come out before i made the switch. I waited long enough for RI to come out with a great smart phone but it never came. Another big mistake in my opinion, they never cared much for their app store. Not enough time was dedicated to the app store to develop a better user friendly app store that would compete with the apple app store.
It sure is amazing how (once) one of the biggest cell phone manufacturer is bleeding so bad. I hope a miracle occures and RIM is saved. I would hate to see them go.
I just hope they start open/port their service (blackberry messenger) to iPhone soon, i really wanted to get rid this torch i have, its too damn slow and useless -aside of the bbm-.
In anycase anyone wondering i live in indonesia, as you know this is one of the few country that rim still dominate, so its like a social pressure to have a bberry (for its bbm) so i still cant get rid of it yet, if they havent bankrupt or ported their service to other os.
The iPhone is by far the most subsidized, least profitable phone in any US carrier's line-up. Not only do carriers like AT&T subsidize iPhones as much as around $500 each, but apple takes a giant chunk of each subscribers monthly data and service charges. The iPhone is also one of the least profitable for the carrier due to its closed app store and exclusive ecosystem. The iPhone generates excitement, and gets people in the door to sign up for service, so carrier's won't bad mouth the iPhone per sé, they're just extra excited to see you leave with an android.
iPhones are among the least profitable for carriers. Take AT&T for example: AT&T subsidizes each iPhone $500 generally, then apple takes a sizable cut of each subscribers monthly data and service charges. The carriers don't see any real revenue from the app store or or apples closed ecosystem. BUT, the iPhone creates a ton of buzz, gets millions of people to sign long term contracts. So the carriers would never bad mouth the iPhone, they just have more interest selling you an an android with a custom-carrier modified os.
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