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Talk:Main Page/Archived 2007 Feb
- 1 Unverified Artists
- 2 Discography Standard
- 3 Recent Submissions
- 4 Recent Submissions - Part 2
- 5 Featured Artist
- 6 got an idea for improvment
- 7 Verification
- 8 Search plugin for Firefox
- 9 Year Category
- 10 A few questions
- 11 Artist name format changed, how to change it back?
- 12 Samples
- 13 Missing song name?
- 14 Categories
- 15 Template or not?
- 16 Extremist Ideas
- 17 Promotion
- 18 Song Meanings
- 19 Foreign Languages and Soundtracks
- 20 Database dumps
- 21 Artist Images
- 22 A big community
- 23 lenght, artist, and wikipedia
- 24 FINISHED pages
- 25 Bug
- 26 Auto-generated pages
- 27 Problem
- 28 Chorus'
- 29 Hosted Files
- 30 Genres Genres Genres!!
- 31 Found something weird...
- 32 I have many suggestions
- 33 Foreign Language 2
- 34 Statistics
- 35 Deletion
- 36 A merge
Unverified Artists
Artists that can't be verified one way or another will be deleted. This means if it can't be googled, or it's explicitly stated that this is a personally written song lyric it most likely will not survive long on Lyriki. Lyriki does host all forms of lyrics, but, it does need to correctly identify the songs regardless. If it appears a made-up band is releasing non-existant songs and we can't verify or move it to appropriate categories, it'll be gone. --Nanenj 11:51, 3 May 2006 (PDT)
Discography Standard
Short seems to have won the overall vote. Whilst long is still an option, it's now preferred to use the short discography standard.
* Year [[Artist:Album|Album]] * Year [[Artist:Album|Album]] * Year [[Artist:Album|Album]]
--Nanenj 11:51, 3 May 2006 (PDT)
- After trying to find a song on Lyriki, I've finally seen the usefulness of long discographies... however, I still think they clutter up the artist page, so perhaps we could find a compromise, like creating seperate long discography pages or using javascript to make the long discography appear when it's wanted. --MindlessXD 22:31, 3 May 2006 (PDT)
Recent Submissions
LyrikiBot now automates recent submissions.
Recent Submissions - Part 2
Two things I'd like to talk about here. First, I think the script that retrieves the amount of 'good content pages' should be changed. I don't know if it's possible or not, but if you can get the number for the "Template:C:Song" page from the Most Linked To pages, this will allow the stats to be more accurate (instead of using the Statistics page as the source).
Also, I think it would be best to limit the recent submissions to about 20 or 30, whenever people do a lot at a time, a lot of pages are put into that recent submissions, making it look long and unnecessary--268229 18:10, 3 February 2006 (PST)
Bump: Another example of why it needs to be changed. The stats page currently says there 6,029 "song" pages, the most linked to page says 6083 pages. Shouldn't the counter actually be accurate? =P Hopefully doing this is possible :) --268229 02:49, 8 April 2006 (PDT)
- Doesn't seem to be doing a whole lot :S --Sidewinded 19:15, 20 June 2006 (PDT)
- The best way of counting song entries in the wiki is to check how many pages link to the Songs category or the C:Song template. --MindlessXD 22:38, 20 June 2006 (PDT)
Featured Artist
Maybe a randomly selected artist of the week? With a picture and and selected trivia. Might be useful to a target for people to flesh out and finish. Bailey 18:09, 3 February 2006 (PST)
got an idea for improvment
im just writing the John Frusciante artist page and it taks allot of time to write the code any time, its seems pointless to write " ((artist:title|title))" this site is all about lyrics any way so you should build a script that needs only the name of the album and the songs withen it and the site will set things up it self... it will be way more easy
- Right now the best I've got are these scripts. --MindlessXD 14:46, 13 February 2006 (PST)
- Updated link. --MindlessXD 09:41, 29 April 2006 (PDT)
- well thats quite good enough for me :] Doitch
- Could you please make the code for those script available? --Attendant 22:31, 2 May 2006 (PDT)
- Sorry, I misunderstood what those script were for (I thought they were not only capable of formating the text but also could add the pages). Does anybody knows if it's possible to interface with the wiki so (for example) one could create a script which sits on a client machine and add missing pages when it can? (the client part is very much doable with current amaroK facilities). --Attendant 23:02, 2 May 2006 (PDT)
- Yes it's possible, simply post the information much as the wiki does anyways. Similar to how LyrikiBot does recent updates. --Nanenj 23:08, 2 May 2006 (PDT)
- I can make PHP scripts that create pages via MindlessBot, but then I can't release a working script because I'd be giving away it's password. I think it might also be possible for me to use JavaScript to create pages... --MindlessXD 04:20, 3 May 2006 (PDT)
- Well, I have succeeded at login in by posting the information as suggested but I still couldn't get adding pages to work... It may have something to do with the fact that the edit form uses a different encoding type (multipart/form-data) than the login form (application/x-www-form-urlencoded), though I'm not sure. If anybody can give me any pointers I'll be more than gratefull.
- You're completely right. I just can't believe I wasted so much time trying to figure out how to output multipart/form-data with ethereal :-\ ... Anyway, thank you very much, you've saved me a lot of time. Now that I have succeeded at creating pages the rest should be pretty straight forward. --Attendant 21:04, 4 May 2006 (PDT)
- As a side note, I'll explain a little what the script I have in mind is supposed to do, maybe someone can contribute to the idea. Basically, the script will react to amaroK's track change notification checking if a page for the (now playing) song exists in Lyriki. If it doesn't (else there's nothing to do), it will fetch the lyrics from amaroK and (if found) create a Lyriki page for it. Things such as artist, song title, lyrics and any other information to submit will be verified and corrected as much as they can to ease the pain of future editors. Also, pages will be added in a special category so that they can be easily identified. Obviously, this script is not meant to be used side by side with the current amaroK Lyriki script (since that wouldn't make any sense) but with any of the other ones. --Attendant 21:56, 3 May 2006 (PDT)
- What if there was a bot that monitored Recent changes for orphaned song pages (pages for which no artist page exists) and automatically created them. Then through the use of What links here it could add any other orphaned songs by that artist to the page and begin a discography. Alternately if monitoring the recent schanges page is too technical, it could be a php page that was pinged so that a user could create a song page and send the artist name as a query to the script which would then create an artist page.Olleicua 19:00, 26 July 2006 (PDT)
I'd like to see somewhere in the template for verification. That is, if I listen to a song and watch the lyrics, and they are correct (as far as I can tell), I can add a note saying, "I verify, on such-and-such a date." Then, as songs accumulate verifications, you could be more and more sure that they lyrics were correct, versus a song that someone might have entered and not been very careful about. What do you all think? -- Risser
- I've thought about this before, the problem is that people may just pop on and say that they verify the lyrics of a song, but really they have no idea whether they are correct or not. Perhaps we could have a template for verification that says that the user has checked the lyrics against the lyrics on the CDs lyrics booklet or from the artist's website. On the other hand, if you think that the lyrics of a song are incorrect, you can always mark it for {{accuracy}} verification. --MindlessXD 14:35, 16 February 2006 (PST)
- Yeah, I thought about that, but at some point, this is all about volunteers anyway. Back when AudioScrobbler was still voting on Mods, you had a few dorks who just "NO" voted everything, which was a royal pain in the arse. But, this is a Wiki, and we have to trust that most people are here for the good of it. Anyway, I think if you tag it with a sig, we'd soon see who was worth listening to and who was just tagging for giggles. I also agree that it should have a note about what it was verified against (artist site, cd book, by ear, etc.). --risser 05:52, 17 February 2006 (PST)
- Also, I think that if we have verification messages, they should go on the talk pages, as to not clutter up the actual song page. --MindlessXD 15:25, 16 February 2006 (PST)
- This makes sense. I may just start doing that. I'll start with Desperate Guys by The Faint. See how it looks and let me know what you think. Also, I think it's important that we stress that the lyrics need to reflect how the song sounds, not what it says in the book/site, because these are often abbreviated and occasionally wrong. --risser 05:52, 17 February 2006 (PST)
- It's been on my mind for a while, but while browsing through the recent changes page, it would be great if you could put in Verification in the Summary form. Otherwise it can be difficult to distinguish between a real talk page (where a problem may need to be discussed) and a talk page with just a verification note.--268229 22:51, 8 March 2006 (PST)
- I will try that. I only recently just learned what the summary field was for. :) --risser 04:53, 9 March 2006 (PST)
Search plugin for Firefox
Yesterday I made a small Lyriki search plugin for Firefox. It's the first one I've made and I would appreciate if someone who knows this stuff would rewrite it. But it works to me, so I thought I could tell you about it. Do you think there is any use for it?
Download it here. --Lime 03:10, 17 February 2006 (PST)
- I'd recommend putting this on the front page --Sidewinded 15:17, 16 June 2006 (PDT)
Year Category
How difficult is it to set up a new category? It might be interesting to have a year category, divided maybe by decades... --risser 07:02, 20 February 2006 (PST)
- It's fairly easy, but I'm not sure if we want year categories. If we did, we would probably only categorize albums and not songs. (Genre categories have also been suggested.) --MindlessXD 15:45, 20 February 2006 (PST)
- This'd also work for artists, but it'd have to be manually set in contrast to the albums just being able to done automatically because the year's in the page name.--Sidewinded 19:40, 17 June 2006 (PDT)
A few questions
I have a few questions. First off, is this the place to ask questions? If not, where? Second, the main page says not to copy from CD booklets and I assume this means that we also cannot copy lyrics from other lyrics sites or band pages. Is that right and if so, is typing out the lyrics ourselves legally any different from copying them from another site? I'm not a lawyer but I would think that the lyrics themselves are copyrighted, rather than the particular typed out versions, so this requirement doesn't do anything for the site legally and just creates unneeded work. I think other sites justify having copyrighted lyrics by appealing to "fair use" rather than claiming that they typed it out themselves. Third, I noticed some bands have an "Artist Info" with a link to the band website and only the band website, is that it or can we add descriptions or links to other pages (e.g., their wikipedia page)? Chiok 21:24, 24 February 2006 (PST)
- Fair use is a large part of Lyriki's legal beliefs. Because we're not making any profit via advertisements with Lyriki. We actually have a larger claim to 'fair use' then some competing websites. The legal difference from copying other sites and books is not much, but, it's more to avoid possible legal hassle. If this site is built on a community of users passionate about music so much that they're willing to listen to the songs to post the lyrics instead of simply scraping other sites. As well with the non-profit nature of lyriki, it seems awful assinine to bring legal action. It's minute, and more of a request then an absolute rule. To be perfectly honest, there's very little way to tell on some songs whether you've copied it or written it from listening. I'm not sure if that answers your questions entirely or not. --Nanenj 10:20, 25 February 2006 (PST)
- Here's how I look at it. I don't post anything I haven't listened and verified first. A lot of times, I'll use the lyrics from another site as a base, because this is faster than typing in every word by hand. But, I have yet to find one that was close to correct and didn't need at least some major revisioning. As for booklets, again, booklets often reflect what the artist intended, not what they ended up singing necessarily. Also, my understanding is, sometimes, like on GH comps, they employ someone to sit and type out the words, just like we are, and that dude probably has no better understanding than we do. So, verify before you post, if you can. That's my take on it. --risser 13:25, 26 February 2006 (PST)
- I've been posting lyrics in much the same way. A bunch of the lyrics I've submitted are in the emo/screamo genre, and often times hard to make out without consulting an outside source (whether it be a CD/lyric book, or another lyric site). I don't see a problem with transcribing lyrics in this way. I've also went ahead, and remove a lot of the short-hand crap, like [2x] or [Verse] and [Chorus] notes, to make the lyrics linear and easy to follow. It just makes it a lot easier to copy the lyrics, and then transcribe the rest and write it down. --ahoier 05:19, 11 June 2006 (PDT)
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- I think we've decided on using (Various Artists) where it does apply. The actual songs are linked as by the artists that perform the song. If I'm understanding correctly. The album would be something like (Various Artists):Ministry of Sound (Year). Hope that helps. --Nanenj 15:58, 2 March 2006 (PST)
Artist name format changed, how to change it back?
I added Anti-Flag a while ago (before I created my username). Today I came in to add some more lyrics and update my formatting to the standard, and found that the band name has changed to Anti-flag (lower case F). This has broken some of the links from the song pages. How can I change it back? --Meiers3f 17:32, 11 March 2006 (PST)
- I moved Anti-flag to Anti-Flag. I assume that's what you wanted? --MindlessXD 19:30, 11 March 2006 (PST)
- In the future, if Anti-flag were what you actually wanted, you should do two things. First, create a #REDIRECT [[Anti-flag]] on the Anti-Flag page. Then, anyone who visits the latter will be redirected to the former. Then you can, from the Anti-Flag page, select "What Links Here" on the toolbox on the left, and it will show you all the pages that link to that page, so you can update them if you wish. --risser 19:15, 12 March 2006 (PST)
Thank you! Any idea why the F in Anti-Flag changed to lower case since the last time I was on? I would rather the Anti-flag page did not exist, and everything worked through the Anti-Flag page. --Meiers3f 7:18, 12 March 2006 (PST)
I know this is Lyriki, and not Sampliki, but I've always wanted a place to store Sample references; that is when one song samples or is sampled by another. Would anyone else be interested in seeing this added to the song data page? We could do headings like Lyrics, Sampled By, Samples, Quotes and what not. I know we've talked about having pages for Instrumentals, just for that reason. And we're also slowly turning this into a Discography database as well... Just wondering what you all think.
I posted an example on Will Smith:Wild Wild West and The Sugarhill Gang:Rapper's Delight. --risser 18:32, 22 March 2006 (PST)
- I actually completely missed this post, but, this is a great idea for those that want to put the effort in. I myself am horrible with tracking down that kind of information, but I see no reason for it not to be included. --Nanenj 21:28, 29 April 2006 (PDT)
Missing song name?
What if we know the lyrics to a song, but don't know the name?
- You can probably Google the song lyrics to find the song name. --MindlessXD 20:20, 26 March 2006 (PST)
- Enter the first (or most unique) line of the lyrics into google using quotes "", it'll give you the exact result of the lyrics on lots of other websites, then just read the artist name and song title from one of those sites ;)--268229 23:14, 26 March 2006 (PST)
- It would be a cool thing to do it here though too, ie. search that would identify an actual string in the article text rather than at the moment when it just picks out words, you know Ufundo 03:20, 24 April 2006 (PDT)
This may have already been discussed but I can't find where if it has. It's about the categories. Is there a way that we could change it so the Album comes first in the Album category and ditto for the Song category. It gets confusing to me, especially in the larger categories looking for a particular Song or Album and having to read through the Artists names. For example, try going to the Songs:N category and looking for the Beatles song "The Night Before". If "Night" was the first word on the line instead of the middle it would be much easier to find. - Troy34 11:54, 31 March 2006 (PST)
- Sorry, but I don't think that can be done. --MindlessXD 05:22, 1 April 2006 (PST)
- I'm a programmer, i've never come across anything that can't be done. - Troy34 07:49, 1 April 2006 (PST)
- OK, it probably can be done with a MediaWiki mod of some sort... --MindlessXD 13:39, 8 April 2006 (PDT)
Template or not?
Hi all. I'm confused about one little thing: Is there a consensus to use the SSong template at the top of a song page, or the non-template thing which folks have been adding to my recent submissions?
Right now I don't know which style to use, so I've not been putting anything. -- Mark 05:30, 7 April 2006 (PDT)
- Welcome to Lyriki. It's best to use a template as it will make the pages easier to organise and categorise. I suggest you choose one of the two templates that you think would suit best and use that. If you choose the SSong template, I'd recommend for you to edit the pages that I've re-formated for you already (so the lyrics pages don't lose their consistancy).--268229 19:59, 7 April 2006 (PDT)
- So the choice is being left to the contributor? Shouldn't there be an attempt to find a consensus? -- Mark 00:45, 20 April 2006 (PDT)
Extremist Ideas
Just some radical thoughts to be critiqued:
- find case-insensitive wiki software (ex. DocuWiki)
- develop (PHP?) tools to interface with adding content to wiki software
- determine page standards
- archive this wiki db and start using the new wiki (and tools)
These are just some thoughts due to the inconsistency of content added to this wiki.
The reason I mention DocuWiki is because:
- pagenames are AFAIK case-insensitive
- when the account management is set up, you can dis-allow certain users from creating pages in certain namespaces
(So, for example, all users could be allowed to create Help pages and such, but dis-allowed from creating other pages, which would be created by using the tools. They would still be able to edit all pages, though.)
The major problems are that:
- most people are comfortable with MediaWiki
- DocuWiki lacks some of MediaWiki's functions
Thoughts will be appreciated. --MindlessXD 15:40, 10 April 2006 (PDT)
- Case-insensitive wiki software is low priority, easier tools probably somewhere in the middle, it'd be great to have some tools that make adding and verifying data a cinch. Page standards are very high up there. I think we've got a very good base, it just needs to be cemented until we find need to make additions. Archiving the wiki db actually should be done fairly regularly, so should we ever choose to move to another wiki system, that's taken care of. Now, all that being said. I'm not sure how much switching would improve things overall? The biggest thing showing up right now is just that Lyriki is very high maintainence, and without the efforts of you and 268829(?) it'd be a chaotic mess. You guys definately get a cookie :P. Which, hopefully, once we get some tools developed for certain things it'll be much easier to maintain and some of the current problems won't be as noticeable. --Nanenj 07:22, 11 April 2006 (PDT)
- Case insensitive article titles shouldnt be a real priority because there should only be one proper capitilization for every song, album etc. - the one that the artist gives to it Ufundo 03:23, 24 April 2006 (PDT)
- Off-topic: MediaWiki 1.6 has been released. --MindlessXD 15:12, 11 April 2006 (PDT)
- And I'm being very impatient about upgrading! --MindlessXD 17:55, 15 April 2006 (PDT)
- *poke poke* Hello? --MindlessXD 16:46, 24 April 2006 (PDT)
- Meep, sorry :). Will poke Evelyn and see if I can get her to do the upgrade. :) --Nanenj 19:28, 24 April 2006 (PDT)
I believe we need to promote this site more. There are still too few songs in the database. For this reason I have created a new page to discuss this and have some suggestions. Promotion. Lets see what we can think of. --Db0 13:33, 23 April 2006 (PDT)
Song Meanings
This is actually something I posted elsewhere in the early early days of lyriki, more when I was advertising for lyriki there was a post on another wiki (wikicities I think) asking if there was a wiki for song meanings and I suggested that lyriki could fit that role, this could be another possible use for the talk pages on songs, or there could be a namespace made. Input welcome. --Nanenj 21:29, 29 April 2006 (PDT)
- I think this is a good idea and could go on the discussion page for each song. A problem that plagues sites like songmeanings.net is people who just post comments like "OMG11!!! I love this band and tHiS is my fAvOuRiTe song from ThIs album!" (Yes, this is how some of them talk). It seems out of the 20 people who post comments about the song, only 3 are on-topic. --Horvath 22:13, 3 August 2006 (PDT)
- I agree. This would be a great feature. --Suspchaos 19:55, 30 September 2006 (PDT)
Foreign Languages and Soundtracks
As an example, how would I go about entering the lyrics for an anime series? AFAIK, there's no procedure for entering soundtracks let alone multiple soundtracks under a single subject. Also, entering lyrics for a Japanese song would require 3 sections: one for the native script, one for the Romanized script, and one for the translation. IngisKahn 07:53, 2 May 2006 (PDT)
- They'd follow the same rules for everything else. A soundtrack would usually fall under various artists. Perhaps if it's needed an (OST) tag can be applied, something to discuss anyways. As for three entries per song, that's really a bit much. I think I'd prefer romanized versions of the natural language as the default, but, the biggest problem with that is differing systems of romanization. The reason for not really wanting to support native script is two-fold, it not working as the title, and it would require an extra download to support. The translation would be optional, although some foreign language songs already do have the language then the translation. If there's overwhelming demand for it then it can always be added later. --Nanenj 10:09, 2 May 2006 (PDT)
Database dumps
I like the idea of a lyrics wiki, but I'm afraid that one day it will go offline. So it seems like a good idea to make a database dump each month and make it available for download (just as wikipedia does (and that's a site that will probably stay up until the end of time)) so that someone else could continue the site. This will also save a lot of bandwidth because users won't use a spider if they need the whole content of the site
Garo 04:55, 24 May 2006 (PDT)
- This is not a bad idea, and something that I will look into. It shouldn't be particularly hard to set up. Thank you for the suggestion! --Evelyn 13:52, 26 May 2006 (PDT)
- *BUMP* --MindlessXD 16:45, 21 August 2006 (PDT)
- So, I'm looking into this idea. I don't have a particular problem with it, but I'll have to monitor things to be sure that it doesn't get out of hand: the database is 150mb right now, and if I have a lot of people pulling down copies of it on a regular basis then it will start to eat up a lot of bandwidth. However, if I do a dump at the end of every month it shouldn't be a major problem. I'll work on setting this up and post here when it's good to go. --Evelyn 10:43, 22 August 2006 (PDT)
- I don't know how you're compressing the files now, but you might try 7-Zip and see if its 7z format gets a better ratio. --MindlessXD 17:55, 23 August 2006 (PDT)
- Far be it for me to resurrect the dead, but it'd be interesting to have the database in some sort of dump format. My experience working with the wikipedia dumps is that very few people are actually interested in them, compared to how many people use wikipedia. If anyone's interested in the technical details of accomplishing this, feel free to leave a message on my talk page - Ws 12:21, 2 November 2006 (PST)
Artist Images
Do you think we should put a picture of an artist, or the artist group, on the Artist page? It makes sense, and well, it would make the site more aesthetically pleasing. Lithium 02:13, 25 May 2006 (PDT)
- I think if one really wants to put one on there they should be able to, Makes the artist page a little more appealing. --Sidewinded 17:16, 23 June 2006 (PDT)
- I have no problem with this myself. I do believe it'd be a bit of effort to update most of the pages, but, anyone willing to make the effort should feel free too. --Nanenj 18:18, 30 September 2006 (PDT)
- I think if one really wants to put one on there they should be able to, Makes the artist page a little more appealing. --Sidewinded 17:16, 23 June 2006 (PDT)
A big community
I've been looking in the internet, for a site like yours : I've found that http://www.lyricwiki.org does the same job as you with the same purpose. They are 500 users your are 250 users, why don't you merge your databases ? It's easy : both are using MediaWiki.
It's not that I think that your or they website is wrong, only that it would be a faster growing web site.
Bye see you soon.
- We've kind'a come to the decision that Lyriki ignore LyricWiki and LyricWiki ignores Lyriki... LyricWiki got on the front page of Digg, Lyriki didn't... so it's mainly a matter of personal preference. Also most of the content on LyricWiki was harvested and bot submitted, but most of the content here is human-submitted (and that which is bot-submitted is automatically marked for review). --MindlessXD 20:14, 10 June 2006 (PDT)
- Lyriki also does not agree with the tactics and commercialism behind lyricwiki.org. --Nanenj 14:30, 17 June 2006 (PDT)
- Personally I don't like their style that most of their pages seem to have accuired, and while I agree a merge would help each site, I don't think it'd work out. --Sidewinded 19:34, 17 June 2006 (PDT)
- A merge would end up with us having a lot of malformed pages, and would require ceding control of the site to a corporate entity and also mean including advertising on the site. These terms are very clearly unacceptable. --Nanenj 17:35, 30 September 2006 (PDT)
- Unfortunately when you want to start a lyrics site, you need a big database or you won't be the first visit when a user is looking for song lyrics. This may mean initial bot submissions. Because LyricWiki has a large database now, they can convince users (such as myself) to use it primarily and update and include song lyrics where required. -- oticon6
- That would be under the assumption that we're looking for users that want a free easy ride. If you're happier there, please stay there. Lyriki is doing just fine despite having half the number of users and less then 10% the number of pages. It's continuing to grow without needing the digg effect or rapid viral advertisement. It's also continuing to be the choice of many many users due to the higher quality of the pages that -are- here. --Nanenj 05:17, 30 October 2006 (PST)
lenght, artist, and wikipedia
only some questions...
1- wouldn't it be a good idea to put the lenght of each song in the album pages? maybe in the lyrics page too...
2- why put [[links]] in the member list of the artist pages? i mean, is there a "person page"?
3- is it ok to copy biographical information from wikipedia to put in the artist pages?
--Pedro Fonini 05:21, 22 June 2006 (PDT)
- the length of each song can be added to the album page, there is a note stating that (m:ss) is the proper formatting for song lengths. As far as point 2, I've seen the members done both ways, some use wiki links, others don't. I don't know what the general concensus is, but if a band member is not his/her own band; then wiki links aren't that necessary. For example when I created the No Doubt page, I used inter-wiki links for each member, but they were later modified and only kept for Gwen Stefani since she has her pop-dance side project. Since this is merely a lyrics site/project, I don't know how necessary the members area is really though...And as far as point 3, I would think it's OK. You can view my contribs and see how I've created my past artist pages, but I just use a small blurb from allmusic, basically stating when and where they formed and what style of music they are. Nothing extravagant, since there are other sites geared towards biographies and what not...and well, usually if someone is looking up lyrics for an artist, they probably already know the biographic information, or just don't care either way (IMO ofcourse :P) --ahoier 08:13, 22 June 2006 (PDT)
- 1. The track length is an option, some people use it, others don't. If you can get the length, feel free to add it.
- 2. I only put links to members of a band if they have got their own albums/songs. I think people have just been adding it to every member since without a care :(
- 3. Depends how much you copy, I see people doing a small paragraph and then linking to the source for more information. As long it's done with respect to copyrights, it should be fine.
- --268229 17:45, 22 June 2006 (PDT)
And what about put a field in {{Song}} and {{SSong}} to lenght? --Pedro Fonini 08:40, 27 June 2006 (PDT)
- I'm all for track times on the album pages, as it adds a little more information to the page. But I don't think it's too necessary for track times on the Song pages...as it is, the track times are going to vary from person to person; due to the digital age of music and how some people "split" apart tracks after ripping and such. And then, what time would be put on the song page, the actual song time from the album cover/sleeve, or the track length displayed in the media player (I've seen albums where the track time on the cover/sleeve is different than the length on the actual CD..).--ahoier 07:27, 28 June 2006 (PDT)
- I think the same time that's shown in the alum page should be shown in the song page... It's not "neccessary", but as you said, it adds a little more information to the page. --Pedro Fonini 16:20, 28 June 2006 (PDT)
- Well, if I add my dog's name I will also be adding "a little more information to the page"... The point is that the track length is (as my dog's name) completely irrelevant to a page that's supposed to have the lyrics to a song. As it has already been stated by Ahoier, the track length can vary a lot even between "same versions" of a song. Now add to that the fact that lyrics pages can be linked by a number of different album pages (albums with different versions of a song, live albums, covers by other artists, etc...) and you'll find that it will only lead to even more unnecessary confussion. --Attendant 18:57, 28 June 2006 (PDT)
- I think the same time that's shown in the alum page should be shown in the song page... It's not "neccessary", but as you said, it adds a little more information to the page. --Pedro Fonini 16:20, 28 June 2006 (PDT)
FINISHED pages
On my page I've been updating (sorta) what albums sections I've completed (albums or whole artists) It would be nice to see a catagory for finished sections to see what's done and what not, it'd probably have to be done manually. Nothing serious here, just an idea. --Sidewinded 09:54, 8 July 2006 (PDT)
- Finished pages...? You'll never find any of those in a wiki. --Attendant 11:40, 8 July 2006 (PDT)
- Why not? it sounds good --Pedro Fonini 14:51, 8 July 2006 (PDT)
- I'm unsure how a page would be called finished, there's probably always more that can be added or stuff that should be changed.... Wiki is an practice in refinement ;) --Nanenj 19:07, 8 July 2006 (PDT)
- Nononono, you guys it's like this its basically a criteria:
- Artist Page: Discography done (check) (if all albums are done, add to finished artists page)
- Album Page: Everything there all songs are present (check, add to finished albums page)
- Artist Page: Discography done (check) (if all albums are done, add to finished artists page)
- See?--Sidewinded 22:32, 8 July 2006 (PDT)
- Nononono, you guys it's like this its basically a criteria:
- Yeah, that's what i tried to say =P --Pedro Fonini 02:44, 10 July 2006 (PDT)
I've just been putting "complete" or something like that in the edit summary, after I confirm lyrics. But yea, it's hard to say something is "complete", since someone later could come along with a better ear (hearing) and pick out new words and such :P I personally try to stick to the vocals up front, and not worry too much about background vocals/screaming and such, but in time, they could be added. heh --ahoier 09:55, 10 July 2006 (PDT)
I was taking a look at Category:Lyriki:Incomplete pages and noticed (cause of "Xutos & Pontapés") that pages with "&" in the name doesn't work with /wiki/Name, only with ?title=Name. Can someone fix it? --Pedro Fonini 15:25, 8 July 2006 (PDT)
- I'll forward this to Evelyn and see if we can find a solution, thanks for the heads up. --Nanenj 19:05, 8 July 2006 (PDT)
- It looks like this is a known issue with the mod_rewrite apache module I was using to make it so that wiki/Name worked: It fails on URLs with an & chararcter in them. I found a fix, but it doesn't work on apache 2.x (which we're using). Until I can find something that will work I've had to disable it.
Auto-generated pages
A little embarrassing for me to ask, but, how exactly are the auto-generated lyrics done? I agree with the way we've gone about it, so that things that aren't verified accurate are clearly labelled so, but, I haven't been able to evaluate how it's done myself. Very much not wanting to fall in step with competing wiki's where all the lyrics are bot done and people don't care about accuracy. --Nanenj 19:00, 8 July 2006 (PDT)
- Take a look at Amarok's lyriki-lyrics --Attendant 15:56, 10 July 2006 (PDT)
- That would explain why only a handful of users show up with it ;). I wonder what the possibility of porting this to work with a player like Winamp or Foobar would be? --Nanenj 06:44, 11 July 2006 (PDT)
- If it could be ported to any kind of usable form in windows, it'd make me happy >D IE: If I could just run lyriki.rb Songname and get results. :) --Nanenj but not signed in >D
- you can already run lyriki.rb in windows, you just need to install ruby (http://rubyforge.org/frs/?group_id=167). now, porting the script to winamp is a completely diferent issue (don't know about foobar). the biggest problem is that winamp plugins are written in c (c++?) which doesn't provide natively regular expressions or an api to communicate through http (which is basically all the script does :\) --Attendant 20:11, 13 July 2006 (PDT)
- Hmm, then it might already run as intended... well, partially seems it requires GTK and QT bindings? (QT does seem a little problematic on Windows. Haven't gotten to see how troublesome GTK is/might be yet.) --Nanenj 06:15, 14 July 2006 (PDT)
It seems that all songs generated that way which contains "the", "a", and "an" in the name are wrongly categorized under T and A. Could someone fix it? --Pietaster 07:43, 12 August 2006 (PDT)
A new issue involving autogenerated pages is coming to my attention. It seems somehow googleads are making it into some of the autogenerated pages, if this can be fixed, I'd be very grateful. The ad-code being inserted on lyriki pages is potentially harmful. --Nanenj 13:54, 30 September 2006 (PDT)
- Can you please point me to one of those pages? --Attendant 14:49, 30 September 2006 (PDT)
- As far as I can tell, they've all been edited out already, but, they do show up in the history of the page. I'll have to bookmark the next one I see. Don't remember which pages have done this off hand. http://lyriki.com/index.php?title=T%C3%A9l%C3%A9popmusik:Tuesday was one such page. --Nanenj 17:36, 30 September 2006 (PDT)
The Lyriki seems to have problems with ampersands. For example, the page Belle & Sebastian links to a non-existant page Belle, making it impossible to recover the data on the page. This also happened with The Mamas & The Papas, so I am confident the problem is the ampersand.
- See #Bug --Pedro Fonini 02:19, 11 July 2006 (PDT)
Alrighty, this is a bit of a matter of opinion, but I was wondering if u you guys like having the chorus repeated in full, or rather putting (chorus),(chorus x2), etc. Personally I don't like having to refer back to the chorus, because on some artists they may change parts of it slightly, and I'm trying to keep the lyrics as close to the song as I hear it. Tell me what you guys think --Sidewinded 09:56, 12 July 2006 (PDT)
- See Help talk:Adding New Songs --MindlessXD 11:20, 12 July 2006 (PDT)
- Alright, tnx :D --Sidewinded 21:06, 12 July 2006 (PDT)
Hosted Files
Something I've considered, but, would not implement without passing it through the crowd here... I've thought about trying to make contact with bands and asking permission to host one or more tracks, DRM-Free, etc. Chances are not many would jump at it. But, it might increase Lyriki's popularity, and to the bands that want the exposure, supporting Lyriki and 'free-music' would bring lots of positive exposure me thinks. If anyone on Lyriki knows bands that would like to become more known, that would be a great place to start. The downside to this, is some could interpret it as Lyriki being a more commercial entity (which is bad! :P). There's no money going around in this idea, just asking permission to post MP3 or OGG files of certain tracks, if yes, we do, if no, then we leave it be.
Some might be asking if Lyriki is already legal on the text side, why do we need permission for the OGG or MP3, can't we use the same protections? Unfortunately, hosting a .ogg or .mp3 has different implications than plain text and in some cases has even been determined to be broadcasting. This could be another downside, even if we get permission, we may, at a later date, be asked by some place to pay licensing fees for all the 'broadcasts' we've done of hosted songs. I'm looking into this as well and this -will- not happen if that's required. Anyways, after reading all that, the core question is just whether people like the idea of trying to get bands behind Lyriki and have their songs showcased here, or would rather just not bother. --Nanenj 09:52, 20 August 2006 (PDT)
- The idea is interesting but I personally think it's beyond the scope of lyriki. Usually bands that wish to showcase a track will either offer it as a download on their official website or as a stream. People generally don't come to this website to find/explore new artists, there are plenty of other websites that cater to that service. --Horvath 20:00, 20 August 2006 (PDT)
- I agree with Horvath. Most of the bands that would give you permission are independant artists that already have their music hosted on sites with the specific purpose of promoting independant artists. However, as long as Lyriki has bandwidth to spare, there's no reason not to host files if the artist gives permission... it just wouldn't be a major focus. --MindlessXD 16:25, 21 August 2006 (PDT)
- Another thought following "The downside to this, is some could interpret it as Lyriki being a more commercial entity (which is bad! :P)."
- If other users start to upload songs, someone will have to police them to make sure that they are freely useable on Lyriki (unless you can limit uploading music files to admins only or something). --MindlessXD 16:37, 21 August 2006 (PDT)
- It would never be a major focus, just a 'perk'. Something along the lines of a featured song on the front page promoting an independent artist. The uploading of songs would not be facilitated by the wiki software, just a link inserted to a location on the host :). --Nanenj 11:04, 23 August 2006 (PDT)
Genres Genres Genres!!
I suggest there should be genre pages, for example: Alternative rock, which would explain the genre and have a list of groups. I also suggest a genre links to be on the Main Page, so new users can find the groups/lyrics by genre. Maya Levy 01:18, 21 September 2006 (PDT)
- The biggest problem is that different people clasify music in different genres: one person's Rock is another's Metal. This isn't very practical unless there's a standard for genres. If there's a site that has a genre database, we could refer to that when categorizing, but I don't know of any. --MindlessXD 14:34, 21 September 2006 (PDT)
- All Music Guide has this information in their artist pages. Btw, they consider Rock a genre and Heavy Meta a style (or a subgenre). --Attendant 15:09, 21 September 2006 (PDT)
- Heh, shows what I know about genres... I suppose we could use AMG's genres. --MindlessXD 19:53, 21 September 2006 (PDT)
- Is up to the community on this one. I personally think that there are many bands that release music in a variety of genres despite having one they normally stick too makes it hard to do genre reliably. --Nanenj 00:23, 23 September 2006 (PDT)
- There is also the fact that bands don't always fall under just one genre. Bands evolve, so maybe instead of tagging the bands/artists themselves, perhaps tagging individual songs? This would take much longer, obviously, but could potentially be a great idea. --Suspchaos 20:04, 30 September 2006 (PDT)
- My stance has changed on this to a formal 'no' vote. Genre is too opinionated, and it's not something that you can clearly classify. Classifying songs would take much too long, and it doesn't lend much value to either the discography information or the lyrics themselves. As with most everything on Lyriki, it's still a community thing, but, all things considered genre doesn't offer much value for the work invested. --Nanenj 13:00, 7 October 2006 (PDT)
Found something weird...
Look at the following "recent change" on Oct 24:
(diff) (hist) . . m Sex Pistols:God Save The Queen?; 23:09 . . Sickrick (Talk | contribs)
This guy added some links at the bottom on the page fo some drugs: http://www.lyriki.com/index.php?title=Sex_Pistols%3AGod_Save_The_Queen&diff=49848&oldid=44849 --Raoul
I have many suggestions
Genres, Record Labels, More information of each band (Date started, connections between members of bands(what other bands they're in), and all that other good stuff)
That website is where I'd like to see this one, except that one is metal only, only bad thing
- The artist page for a band is a good place to add the information you suggest. The genre thing has been discussed time, and time again. It's just very hard to absolutely categorize a band, album, or song as one specific genre, as people usually have their own interpretation of what a song is and many are ambiguous. So, with the exception of genre, feel free to add whatever information you want to the appropriate level. It's why we have artist, album, and song pages. Information that applies to the band as a whole goes on the artist page. Information that leaks down and is specific to an album, goes on the album page, and then information on the song, goes on the song page. If you read the rest of the talk page, you can see the comments on genre already. I'm formally against it due to how little value it actually adds vs how much more work it will be moderating disputes about genre. There is however an authoratitive source of genre (even if it's wrong sometimes) in AMG. If the community wants to start adding genre, I can see that as the only workable solution for avoiding lots of conflict and dispute. --Nanenj 05:12, 30 October 2006 (PST)
- yeah but once you guys get more bands, you'll get some bands with the same names, and you'll have to make sure people know the difference, I know it's not something you should do right away but once you guys get more complete --Xfollowthereaperx 23:43, 31 October 2006 (PST)
- We already have methods for addressing bands with the same name in place, it's just not encountered often enough for most people to be aware of it. It should be in the guides however. I'm not sure what you're addressing with your 'but', perhaps the genre issue. People should be able to tell the difference anyways if the proper information is put on the artist page. Even if we adapted the same method we've chosen for some other articles that have namespace collisions (just append information.) it would still be rather clear and easy to find the particular band you were looking for. :) --Nanenj 08:33, 1 November 2006 (PST)
Foreign Language 2
What is becoming quickly annoying is the level of Japanese support. I have found it possible to edit a page and include Japanese, but upon saving, if the page edit is reopened every Japanese character is replaced with a question mark. Upon following a link on said page (links are all in Roman letters), and creating a page, all of the Japanese on the original is broken, an any other pages I have worked with appear to be broken. But hard refreshing itself won't turn the Japanese into question marks. This has become beyond frustrating, especially as I wanted to edit these articles to make the original script more accessible, which is something I wish were more common when looking for my foreign music lyrics online as it is. Is it not possible to fix this? Matsu 20:25, 7 December 2006 (PST)
- We'll definately want to look into this. I apologize for any frustration this has caused you. If you know of or know where we can find a solution we'll be very happy to implement it as soon as possible. --Nanenj 14:39, 11 December 2006 (PST)
- The only thing that comes to mind is SQL not handling unicode properly, but I wouldn't know where to begin past that. The backend of servers is much beyond my expertise. @_@ Matsu 18:34, 13 December 2006 (PST)
- Well, I've found a workaround, hopefully a temporary one though. This convertor takes extended ASCII and non-Latin characters and puts them into decimal/hex. Both notations work on this wiki and are unaffected by the problem I've had before. Problem with this site is that it's only IE compatible. IEtab for Firefox works just fine, and I haven't tested spoofing the browser info to see if any browser will work just well with it. But anyway, this is very useful for others trying to put in Japanese lyrics, etc. Matsu 09:18, 17 December 2006 (PST)
Is there any way to change some of the statistics parameters? According those we have only 9,000 "valid" articles, even though we have long ago surpassed 20,000 lyrics pages. It seems the problem is that the threshold for short pages is to high, as it currently lists over 23,000 pages... --Attendant 06:16, 10 December 2006 (PST)
- Not as far as I know. --MindlessXD 15:34, 10 December 2006 (PST)
- Looks like those aren't actually lyrics at all though, so why would we have them in the stats? A little sketchy isn't it? We should prolly change that before someone calls us on it. Just click the links from short pages and you'll see what i mean. --220.127.116.11 23:38, 10 December 2006 (PST)
- You're as wrong as the statistics. The majority of those pages are lyrics. Look from offset=2,000 with 500 results: there's 100 album pages and 400 song pages. Now considering that these is only a 500 pages sample from the over 23,000 pages listed as short and that since those pages are sorted by ascending size, the further you go the shorter the chance they correspond to album pages (skip over to offset=10,000 and you'll found only 25 albums and 475 lyrics pages) I think it's pretty obvious that we're not stretching any numbers.
- For the record, when I said we had over 20,000 lyrics I was referring to the fact that we have over 20,000 articles under the Song category. --Attendant 10:09, 11 December 2006 (PST)
- I would be happy to change the threshold for what constitutes a "short page", if I could, but I'm not sure if it's even possible to do so. The other problem is that we'll start getting things counted as being full pages that shouldn't, but it bears looking into. --Evelyn 12:58, 11 December 2006 (PST)
Is there a way to get things deleted? For example, this duplicate: Rammstein:Bück_Dich, which already exists as Rammstein:Bück_dich. Matsu 22:28, 16 December 2006 (PST)
- Yes, add them to the deletion category with {{deletion}}. On another note, follow the capitalization rule. It helps to avoid duplicated pages such as those. --Attendant 18:50, 17 December 2006 (PST)
A merge
Is there much difference between this site and LyricWiki.org? If not, then I suggest a merge of the wikis. 220.127.116.11 17:36, 17 December 2006 (PST)
- Not going to happen, sorry. It's been discussed before. --MindlessXD 17:06, 19 December 2006 (PST)


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The Legendary Super Saiyan has returned for a fourth time. Bringing new revelations, awesome fights, and you know…being canon for once.
Motion Picture Rating: PG-13
Production Company: Toei Animation
Director (s): Tatsuya Nagamine, Naohiro Shintani, Kazuo Ogura
Writer (s): Akira Toriyama
Goku: Masako Nozawa/Sean Schemmel
Goku (Young): Colleen Clinkenbeard
Vegeta: Ryo Horikawa/Christopher Sabat
Broly: Bin Shimada/Vic Mignogna
Broly (Young): Yoshika Morishita/Brina Palencia
Frieza: Ryusei Nakao/Christopher Ayres
Bardock: Masako Nozawa/Sonny Strait
King Vegeta: Banjo Ginga/Christopher Sabat
Gine: Naoko Watanabe/Emily Neves
Piccolo: Toshio Furukawa/Christopher Sabat
Bulma: Aya Hisakawa/Monica Rial
Goten: Masako Nozawa/Kara Edwards
Trunks: Takeshi Kusao/Alexis Tipton
Beerus: Koichi Yamadera/Jason Douglas
Whis: Masakazu Morita/Ian Sinclair
Paragus: Katsuhisa Hoki/Dameon Clarke
Beets: Takuya Kirimoto/Anthony Bowling
Cheelai: Nana Mizuki/Erica Lindbeck
Lemo: Tomokazu Sugita/Bruce Carey
Kikono: Masami Kikuchi/Sonny Franks
Berryblue: Kimiko Saito/Veronica Taylor
King Cold: Ryuzaburo Otomo/Jason Douglas
Nappa: Tetsu Inada/Phil Parsons
Raditz: Shigeru Chiba/Justin Cook
Leek: Yohei Azakami/Austin Tindle
Taro: Masaya Takatsuka/Marcus Stimac
Daigen: Ray Hurd
Moroko: Hisao Egawa/Daman Mills
Shito: Sonny Franks
Nion: Terri Doty
Shenron: Ryuzaburo Otomo/Christopher Sabat
Ba: Brina Palencia
Genre: Action
Release Date: 11/14/2018 (Tokyo), 12/14/2018 (Japan), 1/16/2019 (USA)
Dragon Ball Super: Broly takes place a relatively short time after the ending of the Dragon Ball Super anime. Showing us a "new" take on the destruction of the Saiyan Race which sets up the origin for fan favorite Broly. As well as putting the plot of the movie in motion. Revenge by Paragus (Broly's father) against Vegeta in the place of the deceased King Vegeta with the aid of Frieza. As well as Frieza in his bid to use the Dragon Balls for his own nefarious means.
Since this is a spoiler review I'll give you now to back out and save yourself the spoilage…
If you went past the picture that means you came to get spoiled so here goes. The movie starts out with a flashback to back when Planet Vegeta was still around for the first bit of the film. Which is the first mixed part of the story. The Planet Vegeta portion is a massive retcon of sorts. Originally, for years we had Bardock: The Father of Goku telling the tale of Bardock. A low-class warrior turned precog who saw Frieza's betrayal of his people. Tried to prevent it and ultimately failed but died happy knowing that Goku would live to unknowingly avenge his people. A really iconic moment for Dragon Ball…which is now somewhat undone. As a bit of backstory, that Bardock special wasn't actually made by Akira Toriyama. But since it was so good it kinda stuck around. Until he created Dragon Ball Minus, a retcon to those events as Toriyama's official retelling of those events.
But given that this is also introducing Broly's origin albeit modified greatly from his original film as well we get something totally new. Dragon Ball Super Minus if you will. Here we see King Cold step down to let Frieza take over the Empire (with cameos from Zarbon, Dadoria, & the Ginyu Force) and leader of the Saiyan race rather than Frieza already controlling them. Broly is sent away by King Vegeta in a mix of outshining Prince Vegeta IV (a new name addition or rather a confirmation) and simply going insane from his own overwhelming power. Paragus chooses to follow him to get revenge but a crash landing leaves them stranded. So far we've just gotten a bit of expansion on the lore while canonizing (and fixing) Broly and Paragus. No more insanity because of a crying baby this time. But now comes the reintroduction of Bardock and integration of Dragon Ball Minus…
Here Bardock is a much more standard lower class warrior and we even see Goku's mother, Gine. Both send them off when Bardock deduces that Frieza might betray them just in time to die themselves. There is no red headband or loss of his team or battle against an army of Frieza Soldiers to get to Frieza himself. But in a change from Minus, rather than simply dying unceremoniously we get a much sadder scene. Here we get to see him on the surface of Planet Vegeta doing a continuous Ki Blast (rather than a single blast) desperately trying to stall Frieza's Super Nova only to be consumed by it along with his love and his friends. Visually referencing that entire scene in the original special. The sense of hope is greatly diminished from the original which fits the films overall sad tone and atmosphere. It's sort of a middle ground between Minus and Bardock: The Father of Goku but this will likely leave fans of Bardock with a sour taste in their mouths. It fits the new canon but Bardock is also now significantly less impressive. We also get confirmation that Tarble (Vegeta's younger brother) is still canon…although it's ambiguous if he's still alive himself or getting killed off in this retcon. When we shift over to Raditz, Vegeta, and Nappa getting the news off-world we find out that there was actually another Saiyan accompanying them. So either he died while the Saiyan Prince was growing up or there are more Saiyans hidden around now for future use…But this leads into another possible retcon…
With the introduction of Battle of the Gods, the God of Destruction Lord Beerus has been quite important. We also get the revelation that Frieza destroyed Planet Vegeta because of Beerus' orders. But here, it's suggested that Frieza was doing this entirely because he didn't want the Saiyans to rise up against him. Namely, a Legendary Super Saiyan. Now it's entirely possible given the brief time jumps that Beerus did still give the order off-screen, but it's a bit odd that they take this out. Especially with Dragon Ball Super and Revival of F showing that Frieza is fully aware of the God of Destruction. But this comes off as being axed to streamline the plot which is overall way more focused than usual. After the past segments, we shift to the present with an awesome montage and remixed version of CHA-LA Head-CHA-LA!
This works as a segway into the music. Beyond this one moment of CHA-LA Head-CHA-LA the music takes on a very somber and epic Hollywood-esque soundtrack. Even the theme, Blizzard, only appears during the credits. It's a bit odd yet fitting with the rest of the film which is of equally high quality. The most memorable tunes using simple vocals to accompany the fights they back. Broly vs Vegeta has it repeat Paragus' "Go Broly!" line. Broly vs Goku has original Japanese audio from Broly the Legendary Super Saiyan screaming "KAKAROT!" and Broly vs Gogeta has it say…well… "Gogeta!". It's hard to hear or understand sometimes but when you do it really fits the scenes. The visuals are stunning and the animations for the expressions are great. You really feel what they feel especially when they're in pain. They do use CGI but compared to their previous attempts with it, this works far better. They're more selective with the use of it and have it more reserved for extremely brief held shots or only a simple exchange. Sometimes it's jarring but they aren't nearly as frequent. You'll probably notice when it shifts to CGI but at least it won't be like watching Berserk 2016.
The returning characters hold true to their old personalities and their interactions are a treat. Despite all the depressing things in the film, you forget how comedic some of these people can be. Like Vegeta just being so tired of Goku's buffoonery…or Frieza wanting the Dragon Balls to grow 5 centimeters taller…Not much really to say about that so let's move onto the newbies.
Cheelai & Lemo are the primary newbies and the ones we get the most time with. Cheelai (left) is a thief who joined the Frieza Force to escape prison & Lemo (right) is a relatively older fellow who's been with the Frieza Force for years. Both find Broly and Paragus and bring them to Frieza which really sets the plot in motion. Both are likable as you see them befriend the innocent Broly and try to save him from the clearly abusive grip Paragus has around him. Cheelai kinda gave me Bulma vibes in that she was a bit headstrong and crafty but well-meaning. Lemo came off a bit like "the old dude" without being a mentor type destined to die. They're really a duo who revolve around Broly and probably can't stand on their own currently. Cheelai could to some extent but they're clearly meant for the support role. There are several other new characters in the Frieza Force but none get significant screen time beyond a scene or two. It'd be nice to see more of them but I can see why they didn't get much focus currently.
Paragus is just the most unlikeable jerk ever. Part of you will understand his desire for revenge after his son is shipped out basically to die out of selfishness. Choosing to not believe Broly's power will make him go insane. Rather than a headband like before Broly has a collar…a shock collar. One that, upon being revealed to Cheelai & Lemo gives us a background scene of Broly visibly being scared and backing away from it. He's a man consumed in vengeance even moreso than in the original. The only time we get an actual sign he cares about Broly after his childhood is moments before Paragus is killed by Frieza when he worries that Broly might die. But even then it's not so much because Broly will die but because his chance of vengeance will die with him. He is somehow easier to hate than Zamasu despite not being monologued at.
Broly is the primary focus of this story and man did they fix him. Rather than being angry because of crying Goku and just insane from his youth, we're shown that he was/is a largely innocent person. Still being quiet and withdrawn but also nice at times. Unfortunately, the abusive shadow of Paragus looms overhead. It's implied/outright suggested that Paragus only treated Broly like a slave and tool for his vengeance. The vice grip he has on the poor boy is so intense Broly won't even talk without given permission. Trying to save Broly was something you actually wanted just because you know how terribly things have gone for him. In a way, it reminds you of Gohan. A nice Saiyan with unholy rage and a vast well of power who doesn't want to fight but is forced too. Although his abusive parent doesn't have a Clothes Beam or show any kindness. His power and transformation also has a gradual build up throughout the fights which was a nice change as well. But Paragus' death is what triggers the transformation to Super Saiyan. Which is all the sadder when you realize despite all the abuse Broly still cared deeply for the monster of a father he had.
Unfortunately, you could see them setting up Broly turning hero/neutral by the end of the film. Although, this time it felt earned and within character. He doesn't want to fight and Goku offers to train him which leaves Broly, Cheelai, and Lemo as possible regulars in Dragon Ball Supers sequel (Much like Whis & Beerus before them). Frieza similarly is now hellbent on getting revenge even harder on Earth so he remains very much a threat and one intent on reclaiming Broly for himself. This also marks the second time the primary threat (the first being Beerus) wasn't killed by the end of the film. Much like that time a lot of this is leaving the door open for future returns.
If you saw the last trailer or played Xenoverse 2 you know that Super Saiyan Blue Gogeta was going to be how the beat Broly. Knowing ahead of time somewhat diminished the impact but once he started fighting it was a glorious visual spectacle (like literally breaking reality and fighting outside of time and space briefly). Overall, the fights were great but at times a bit disorienting. They really tried to show how fast paced some of the fights were and sometimes even doing it from a first-person view. Interesting techniques but rather hard to follow in a few instances.
Final Thoughts:
Between the new content and callbacks to the old, you'll be in for a treat if you're a longtime Dragon Ball fan. A lot of time, money, and effort was put into this and it shows on every front. There are little issues here and there but the experience is well worth it. Unfortunately, you DO need some background for it to fully enjoy it. Seeing the previous films will help but without knowledge of basic Dragon Ball Z lore and a good knowledge of Dragon Ball Super you will very likely be lost. At the very least, you can enjoy the action and visuals.
Rating: 8.5/10


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American artist Doug Aitken recently unveiled a new site-specific installation titled Detroit Mirage, set within the 100-plus-year-old former State Savings Bank in downtown Detroit. At the exhibition's opening night, Jónsi of Sigur Rós performed an improvisational set. Watch it happen below.
According to a press release, Detroit Mirage is an "immersive, mirrored installation" that "reflects the entire space in which it is situated, activating this seminal historic building." It is produced by the Detroit-based art gallery Library Street Collective. "In many ways, Mirage will become its surroundings," said Library Street Collective owner Anthony Curis in a statement. "It will reflect and intensify one of the city's greatest historical and cultural contributions—its grand architecture."
Aitken has collaborated with musicians multiple times in the past. His "Station to Station" happening took place at train stations across the United States and featured performances from Beck, Cat Power, Ariel Pink, Savages, Giorgio Moroder, and many more. His "Altered Earth" installation featured a performance from Terry Riley. His "Song 1" happening featured multiple artists performing interpretations of "I Only Have Eyes For You," including Nicolas Jaar, Oneohtrix Point Never, No Age, and more.


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Judge for yourself, I'll just describe my experience. This office has made 3 major mistakes for me in the past year: 1) They input my insurance information wrong, insisted that I did it wrong (poor customer service alert!), told me to go to the insurance company... and the whole time, they'd made a typo. This is inexcusable because I'd pointed it out, and they had my husband's insurance info (identical to mine) on file. Also - they don't take insurance, and it took me a year to get my reimbursement. 2) I scheduled an appointment for 1pm on Saturday, and without telling me, they changed it to 12pm. They did not tell me, until I was rushing over to make it on Saturday. 3) I scheduled an appointment and called the previous day to cancel, and they told me it had already been cancelled. I did NOT make such a call, nor do I (clearly) have a very common name. Now here's the part where I state an opinion: We're human, we make mistakes, and maybe I'm just the low-probability case of three separate people on three separate terrible days. We all have them. I get it. But that being said, it's not about making mistakes, it's about how you deal with them right? There's no communication or restitution for these mistakes. I can't continue like this and, unfortunately, after mistake #3 am finally moving my business elsewhere. Sorry. I liked my hygienist too. More
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Embryo Transfers are exciting yet nerve-wracking. They're the "finish line" of IVF in a way. When I did my Embryo Transfer, I had a mix of emotions. I thought to myself "wow, the time I'm actually going to be pregnant for the first time is finally here". Today, I wanted to share what to do to prepare for embryo transfer.
These are things I personally did to prepare for my frozen embryo transfer. I did write a post about What to Do After an Embryo Transfer so be sure to check that out!
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Prenatal Vitamins
Prenatals should be the number one thing on the list if you are not taking them already. Vitamins can take up to 3-months to take affect in the body. I had been taking these SmartyPants prenatals for some time before we even started our IVF journey.
Find a prenatal with Folate in it! Folate is a more pure form of folic acid. Folic Acid/Folate is important because it helps prevent miscarriage, "neural tube defects", and other birth defects. It's important to have it in your system before becoming pregnant!
Check out Supplements that can Boost Your Fertility
Be On-Time with Medication
IVF is a very sensitive time and it's no different with Embryo Transfers. Make sure you stay on top of your medication and take them on time. When I was doing my embryo transfer, I needed to take Estrace twice a day, 12 hours apart. On top of that, I also had to do Progesterone in Oil Injections.
Some medications need to be taken at specific times due to their dissolving nature and for them to take affect. If you miss a dose, call your nurse/doctor right away to let them know!
Stay Hydrated
Make sure to drink plenty of water in the days leading up to and after the embryo transfer. Being hydrated optimizes blood flow, makes the uterus nice and squishy, and helps plump up the uterine lining.
Not to mention, drinking plenty of water will help disperse medication evenly throughout the body which would optimize your chance of transfer success. Drink. Your. Water!
Pomegranate Juice
If uterine lining is an issue, look into drinking pure pomegranate juice for up to 3-4 days prior to transfer. Squishy lining means it's a happy environment for the embryo to snuggle in!
There's no real proof that pomegranate juice helps beef up the lining in your uterus, but it tastes delicious! Not to mention the antioxidants and vitamins will help nourish your body.
Relax After Embryo Transfer
Most clinics will tell you to go home and be a couch potato after your embryo transfer. Make arrangements before transfer to have your favorite meal ready or delivered and get some movies ready!
Me, personally, I made sure the house was spotless the day before transfer. After our transfer, we came home, ordered my favorite meal from one of my favorite restaurants, and we just relaxed the rest of the day. When your house is clean, you're stress-free… and that's super important!
Remain Calm
Stress is your enemy when it comes to trying to conceive. If you're stressed, your body is stress and won't be welcoming for that embryo.
As I stated earlier, I made sure the chores around the house was clean beforehand. I also tried to finish as much work as I could so I wouldn't stress about it when I took a couple days off work.
After transfer, I loaded up on face masks, my favorite snacks, and had shows ready to watch on Netflix. Try to remain as stress-free as possible during the next two weeks!


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Rich, engaging mobile experiences are no longer a nice value-add, they are simply expected by today's digital consumer at any time, from any device. But how do you build seamless mobile applications that keep customers coming back? Learn three ways to enable cross-platform app development.
With native apps
Powerful mobile experiences start with native apps which most developers will describe as an application coded in Objective-C, Swift or Java. More generally, native apps are considered to be applications developed for use on a particular platform or device or, from the perspective of a user, one that came with a device and just "feels" native. In other words, native apps look, feel and behave just as users want.
However you define them, native apps have traditionally been built using software development tools such as Swift, Java and others. They work great of course, but their creation is a time-consuming, expensive process. Developers are most-often trained in one language which means you have to hire a team of them and development cycles are long, especially when you consider any changes which mean revisiting the code and re-doing the work.
Cross-platform app development
The solution to these and other challenges can be found in cross-platform development. With traditional native development on Android, Windows, iOS, the code is typically written in one language and a different language on each platform. With cross-platform coding, it's one language to learn and one to build and update apps across ALL platforms.
What are the available cross-platform options? Think of them across 3 categories
- Mobile web: This option allows your information to be viewed on a mobile device yet nothing is native. It's simple, scalable, re-uses skills and adapts to different devices but it has to run in a browser. Despite all the arguments for mobile web, users still seem to prefer native apps—the App Store economy is proof of that.
- Hybrid: This approach takes your remote front-end website, puts it on a mobile device and wraps it a with a native application. While it uses a single code base and offers more functionality including features you won't get from option 1, the applications often won't look, feel or work as the user may expect them to—they are immediately obvious as being web-based and don't feel native.
- Native UI: Mobile experiences are typically written in one language with a native UI. The underlying business logic is JavaScript or something similar but to the user, it can look and feel native.
Which is the best option for the development of your mobile applications? Consider three key factors when making that decision.
Customer experience. Let's face it. In the age of the digital consumer, people want the interaction only native mobile apps can deliver. Your customers expect much more than a simple website. They want great mobile apps that run on all their devices and connect to back-end data. A mobile site that runs on a server will not provide the experience most users expect and your brand could easily be overlooked for one that does.
Resource allocation. Cross-platform development environments don't demand that your developers know the ins and outs of multiple languages; the environment shares code libraries and delivers the native experience. This could mean lower headcount and fewer tools.
Efficiency. Coding once for multiple platforms means fewer bugs to fix, quicker time to market and mastering one language skill set.
Mobile app development done well improves customer satisfaction and builds your bottom line. There is also no question that how to get it done is a strategic decision. Cross-platform app development takes much of the pain out of the process–there is no need to spend time and money reinventing the wheel. Instead, developers can focus on refactoring and optimization for continual enhancement.
Read more about cross-app platform development here.
Jason Kneen is a Freelance Cross-Platform native app developer based in Wiltshire, United Kingdom. He is married with 4 children, and works from his home office, building cross-platform native apps for clients all over the world. He's the author of a book on Titanium Mobile development, regularly speaks at conferences and meetups the co-host of the podcast at http://thecheckedshirt.com. You can find out more about him and his work at http://bouncingfish.com


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In a wide-ranging interview with CNBC's "Squawk on the Street" Hewlett-Packard CEO Meg Whitman said that the company is on track for its five-year turnaround plan and outlined how acquisitions are part of her long-term strategy.
"We're two years into a five-year turnaround... overall, I'd say we're on track. We have a lot of heavy lifting ahead, but I like where we are," she said.
When asked whether the turnaround would take longer than expected, Whitman said that she doesn't think the company will "extend the window" for recovery.
When asked whether HP would consider a break-up to create value, Whitman said: "I believe HP has a set of assets that is unique in the big cap technology sector today." She outlined HP's reach, scale, and ability to bring products to market, and said she feels "really strongly" that the company is better intact.
On acquisitions, Whitman said the company is in a position to "rethink our capital allocation strategy" and that "acquisitions will become be part of our future… we have our eye on a number of areas."
Whitman added that the company will be "very judicious, very deliberate, make sure they are very strategic, and that we don't pay too much for these acquisitions." She said that she didn't want to repeat HP's history of making deals that "didn't work out too well."
Whitman said that there are several acquisitions the company may be interested in, adding that some are in the $100 million to $300 million range, and "perhaps some up to $1.5 billion."
"I don't want to do it just to buy growth," she said. "I want to do it to further the strategic position in the marketplace for HP."


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El Coffee over coffee:
Having coffee with Erin last night and I mention sports, mostly because I enjoy her unusual takes on the hot sports topics of the day. I asked her the question many Pittsburghers continue to ask on sports talk radio and in general conversations about the team.
The question: Why is Gregory Polanco on the Pirates roster?
Polanco is public enemy number one. He's earned it. His play is far below expectations, and he never seems to do anything different. Just plods along in the outfield, misjudging fly balls, taking bad routes to the ones he correctly judges and butchering the job of Major League outfielder.
His hitting has been worse.
Polanco's power and, eye-roll please, potential, are probably what keeps Clint Hurdle from taking the maligned underachiever out of the lineup for any extended period of time, but clearly something that needs to click to turn Polanco into the upper echelon hitter those in the Pirates' organization believe he can be has not.
I expected Erin's take to be something along the lines of, "His pants are too tight and the striping on his costume looks distorted."
Instead, in two lines, with three basic observations, she nailed it.
"He isn't a very good hitter and he isn't living up to his potential. He isn't doing his job goodly.'
"Goodly," Erin-speak for, "well," might have been a slight understatement. Polanco is failing miserably, again. His breakout year, that term is so funny when you consider 22 home runs and 86 RBI against a .258 average to be breakout numbers (pedestrian numbers for truly good hitters), is the anomaly in his career stat line.
The sad truth is actually kind of simple: Polanco is not now, never was, and probably never will be a good Major League hitter. He's just not. His swing is too long and slow, his pitch recognition is actually funny, and it is more of a mistake than anything when he squares one up.
I heard a local talk radio host suggest that Polanco backers believe El Coffee has the basic skill set of an actual very good former Pirates right fielder – Dave Parker.
I almost drove off the road laughing.
Not that Parker's fourth season in the bigs was transcendent – .313/13/90 with a .475 "slug," as all the cool baseball people say, and an OPS of .824. Polanco may hit more home runs this season, but none of his other numbers will begin to approach Parker's.
Parker would go on to win the National League batting title in his fifth year, be named the league's most valuable players in his sixth, and permanently cement his place among the great outfielders of his time in the field with an All-Star Game performance for the ages in 1979.
Stop with the Dave Parker comparisons, even if it is just to suggest what some believe Polanco could resemble – he just never will.
Is it time to give up on Polanco? Yes.
But what if he goes somewhere else and turns into a superstar?
Oh well – it has happened before and will again in sports – but it is not going to happen in Pittsburgh for Polanco. I don't know or care why it will not, I just know it won't.
Other Pittsburgh sports tidbits:
- Felipe Vazquez is not struggling because he changed his last name to honor his sister, or because he is too obsessed with his other role: locker room DJ. Vasquez's troubles are simple to explain – he has lost his fastball command and he is too predictable.
- Shady Side Academy junior Dino Tomlin won the Class AA 300-meter hurdles at the PIAA Track and Field Championships at Shippensburg University last weekend. Tomlin's greatest achievement will be the day his name is not attached to his father's in a Pittsburgh sports story.
- Though neither team represents Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh hockey fans definitely have an obvious rooting interest in the Stanley Cup Finals between Vegas and Washington. Marc Andre Fleury can cap off an epic playoff run with a finals triumph. A really good guy with a chance to do something special. Here's hoping The Flower comes through.


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The 2017 Sydney Peace Prize was awarded to Black Lives Matter on 2 November 2017 at the Sydney Town Hall in Australia. Receiving the prize on behalf of this organisation, described as championing a 'movement for freedom, justice and dignity for all Black lives', were the U.S. co-founder, Patrisse Cullors, and her Canadian counterpart, Rodney Diverlus.
Patrisse Cullors and Rodney Diverlus
Black Lives Matter in Australia: Wherever Black People are, There is Racism—and Resistance
Also see: Abbie O'Brien
Black Lives Matter founders meet Australia's Indigenous community
Listen to an audio interview here
and here
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