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If you want to put your sport discipline to the test, try sitting 12 inches away from a dozen of chocolate covered marshmallows and a bowl of Jelly beans.
I am definitely not the authority on discipline as I have had my fair share of times where I have strayed from my meal plan or skipped a workout. But I believe that I do pretty well when sticking to "the plan". I even managed to quit drinking cold turkey 3 years ago.
It is easy to start a workout program when it is convenient for you, when you are the most motivated. While you can ride that wave for awhile, especially if you are seeing results. Eventually your cup full of motivation will start to drain.
We see this ALL THE TIME at the start of the new year. People sign up Jan 1 for a gym membership then 3-4 weeks later they are never seen again. Why? Where they abducted by aliens? No. Did they quit the gym to join the circus? Probably not.
More than likely their motivation stopped flowing and they didn't work on building up their discipline (yes, you can train your discipline. You are not born with or with out it).
So the million dollar question is "how do I improve my sport discipline?"
Here are some strategies that I use to make sport discipline gainz:
1. Treat everything as a "win or lose" situation. Whether it is forcing your self to work out even though you are dead tired from a long day at work. Or sticking to your meal plan when everyone else is eating pizza. Each one if these decisions you either win or lose. Wining makes us feel good. The more wins we get the better we feel and the more confidence we have going into the next "decision"
2. Make a list. Make a list of the top 3-5 things you want to accomplish. This will keep you focused and not let other "non-important" tasks take precedence.
3. Surround your self with people who have similar goals and aspirations. Your odds of success go up dramatically when you are part of a group, even if it is only two people.
4. If you give in, don't give up. Everyone breaks down at some point, no one is 100%, and thats ok. Learn from your mistakes and when you encounter that situation again, execute.
These tips are just a start but remember to gain impenetrable discipline, it takes time and practice. Make a commitment to your self and do your best.


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There are plenty of reasons why Facebook has been consistently ranked as one of the happiest companies to work at. In fact, it usually tops the list. Like many other technology titans, Facebook does offer a rather spectacular list of perks that make every employee spend less money and have a lot more fun while technically at work, but that isn't unique in the digital corporation sphere, and companies like Google, Apple, Amazon, and Yahoo offer similarly attractive benefits.
Yet, Facebook still manages to edge them in the area of employee satisfaction, and consistently brings in new employees who recently cut ties with some of those other prestigious companies. It begs the question, what is it that Facebook does so well, and in an age where corporate secrets are few and far between, how are they the company consistently doing it the best?
I suppose you need to examine the underlying function of Facebook itself; it is a space where people can meet, get to know one another, share information, and stay connected with new ideas from all over the world, all from the comfort of their smartphone or computer. Facebook as a company strives to bring together some of the finest and most creative minds available on the job market, allow them to mingle, brainstorm with one another, collaborate and share innovative ideas, and turn those ideas into something that could benefit over a billion people all over the world, all while doing it in a comfortable space that feels like home. The reflection of the company structure and philosophy for its users is so close to that of its employees that it is no surprise that they are so happy to stay there. They are able to use their job as a real-life social network (almost like the good old days when people only had real life social networks…) and get paid to change the world, all at the same time.

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Solutions / Water
Featured Advocate: Cliff Kapono
Surfer + chemist Cliff Kapono is using science to protect our oceans for generations to come.
Meet scientist and surfer Cliff Kapono, part of Vissla's creators and innovators crew; a group of people from all different walks of life making a difference through their work. His dedication to environmental stewardship and love for surfing have created a platform for Cliff to help preserve our oceans from future harm. His Surfer Biome Project studies the bacteria found on surfers from all over the world in hopes to address issues around environmental conservation, food security and public health. Read our Q+A with Cliff and how stays optimistic for our future.
What is one simple way people can be part of the solution?
Cliff Kapono: Perhaps the easiest way to become an environmental advocate is to get out in nature as often as possible. The more people we have experiencing and learning from these precious spaces, the easier it will be to communicate how we can protect them.
What is something people can do today to make our oceans healthier tomorrow?
CK: Although there is no quick fix when talking about ocean health, waste is definitely a huge issue. The World Bank estimates that on average each person produces about 4.5 pounds of solid municipal waste a day and this is expected to double in 8 short years. A majority of this rubbish ends up in the ocean and becomes huge ecological disrupters. By simply avoiding plastic straws, single-use water bottles, and non-biodegradable containers, everyone can make a huge dent in reducing the amount of waste that ends up in the sea.
When do you feel the most optimistic about our future?
CK: I feel most optimistic when I meet complete strangers in the surf or on the street and have an unexpected conversation about the importance of environmental health. I love listening to people talk about how much nature means to them. Especially the youth. It happens more often then you would expect. Just the other day at the airport I overheard a kid tell their parents that they are going to invent a plane that doesn't cause global warming. Hearing young people share their dreams of sustainability, technology and innovation helps me believe that things are going to be alright.
What drives you to do what you do?
CK: I feel so blessed to have been given an understanding of our responsibility for the land and the sea. It is a gift given to me by my ancestors and something I hope to give to those who will one day call me ancestor. I hope by better understudying human environmental interactions across the planet, I can return home knowing the time spent away was not in vain. He Hawai'i au, mau a mau. Mahalo piha e na hoaloha 'o Ecology Center!
Continue reading for an excerpt from Vissla's Q+A with Cliff:
In layman's terms, can you explain what type of scientist you are?
CK: I guess I would say I am a chemist. Maybe, more of like a translator. All life on Earth depends on chemistry. Every organism on the planet communicates through chemical signals in some way shape or form. Think about how a wolf will mark their territory with chemicals in their urine. No words have to be exchanged to let those in the ecosystem know that an apex predator controls this area. Bacteria communicate just like wolves and sharks and even humans. Certain bacteria have been known to sit dormant in an environment until they discover another related bacterium is living near by. They will begin to communicate with each other using molecular words and tell other bacteria to join their colony. Like a language that transcends race, geography, and even species, chemistry is happening all around us. I'm just trying to figure out what is being said.
How has surfing influenced your career as an environmental scientist?/ How would you assess the current state of the world's oceans?
CK: As a collective, scientists agree that over half of the entire oxygen on the planet comes from the sea and we know more about space than we do about our own oceans. This blows my mind. There is definitely a deficit that needs to be overcome just within the scientific community. Although there still are some relatively pristine areas of ocean around the world, an alarming amount of oceanic space has fallen victim to human impact. Not to say that all human impact is a bad thing, but the type of impact we humans have had on our ocean over the last 200 years has not been that great. There are some amazing efforts out there to reverse this harmful trend, but it is gonna take some hard work.
I am so fortunate to have the ocean as an integral part of my culture. Surfing has been in my family for over 90 generations and it is a massive inspiration towards better understanding how we interact with the environment. As surfers, we spend so much time immersed in nature. It seems only fitting to use that time spent in the sea to begin asking questions like, "does the ocean make me healthy?" or "Do we make the ocean sick?"
What is the over-arching goal of the Surfer Biome project?
CK: The goal of the Surfer Biome project is to use the most advanced scientific instrumentation to examine how we interact with nature. We believe that nature leaves molecular signatures in and on our bodies that we can't just wash away in the shower. If we can prove that the ocean has a huge role in keeping us healthy, then maybe we can form better conservation practices to protect it from degradation.
Are you able to share with us some of your early findings from your research?
CK: As I analyze the data, I am finding some interesting results, but need to have these findings critiqued by the rest of the scientific community before I share them with the public. I think I have found evidence that prove we are more like the ocean than we once believed, but I will have to go through a peer-reviewed process to see if these claims are legitimate. I should have the official findings made public by the end of the summer.


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Calendar and Report Card Schedules
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Cumberland County Schools now has a FREE Mobile App. The App is available for download and currently includes the following features:
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To download the App, go to the App Store and search "Cumberland County".
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To encourage more families to take advantage of the healthy choices available for school breakfast, Cumberland County schools will celebrate National School Breakfast Week during March 4-8, 2019. Busy weekday mornings make it a challenge for many families to find time for a healthy breakfast. However, the U.S. Department of Agriculture data shows that more and more students are starting their day with a nutritious breakfast in their school cafeterias. The USDA School Breakfast Program currently serves 14 million students every day. Studies show that students who eat school breakfast are more likely to:
Reach higher levels of achievement in reading and math
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June 25th, 2009 8:25 AM by Lehel Szucs
Wednesday's bond market has opened down slightly following early stock gains and a much stronger than expected manufacturing report. The stock markets are showing early strength with the Dow up 98 points and the Nasdaq up 38 points. The bond market is currently down 4/32, but we will likely still see an improvement of approximately .125 of a discount point in this morning's mortgage rates due to gains late yesterday.
The Commerce Department reported this morning that Durable Goods Orders rose 1.8% last month. This was much stronger than the 0.9% decline that was expected and the third increase in orders out of the past four months. This indicates that manufacturing activity, at least in big-ticket items such as machinery, vehicles and electronics, is strengthening quicker than many had thought. This would be considered bad news for bonds and mortgage rates.
May's New Home Sales was also released this morning, showing that sales of newly constru cted homes fell slightly last month. Analysts were expecting to see a small increase in sales. However, this data only represents approximately 25% of all home sales, so its impact on trading and mortgage rates is usually minimal unless its results vary greatly from forecasts.
This week's FOMC meeting will adjourn at 2:15 PM ET today. It is widely expected that Mr. Bernanke and company will not change key short-term interest rates at this meeting. But, market participants will be looking at the post-meeting statement for any hint of what and when the Fed's next move may be. Look for an update to this report shortly after the markets have an opportunity to react to what the Fed says.
The only relevant economic data scheduled for release tomorrow is the final reading to the1st Quarter GDP and weekly unemployment claims. The GDP data is quite aged now (covers January through March) and will likely have little impact on the bond market or mortgage pricin g unless it varies greatly from previous readings. Last month's first revision showed a 5.7% decline in the GDP. This month's second and final revision is expected to show the same decline.
If I were considering financing/refinancing a home, I would.... Lock if my closing was taking place within 7 days... Float if my closing was taking place between 8 and 20 days... Float if my closing was taking place between 21 and 60 days... Float if my closing was taking place over 60 days from now... This is only my opinion of what I would do if I were financing a home. It is only an opinion and cannot be guaranteed to be in the best interest of all/any other borrowers.
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Just like with other animals, sleeping is also important to horses. Being in a state of deep sleep is ensures that horses function properly, both mentally and physically. This is crucial for horses because they are beasts of burden. Some horses function as farmhands. They spend the day lugging heavy produce and farm equipment. Farmers also use them to pull carts or as a means of transportation. Some horses are bred to be racehorses.
All of these activities take their toll on the minds and bodies of horses. Imagine how tired you would be if you spent your day racing with others, with someone riding on your back. Sleep ensures that their bodies recover and heal themselves.
We've all seen horses always portrayed as animals that sleep standing up. Whenever they show a horse sleeping in a movie, the horse is always standing up. This is why it is not surprising that we all have this mental image of a horse standing up, eyes closed, dreaming of running freely in the open plains.
This is a common misconception. Horses don't sleep standing up. Horses snooze standing up. What's the difference? Aren't they the same thing?
Why do horses sleep standing up?
When you see a horse standing still with its eyes closed, it's not sleeping. It is dozing. Dozing is light sleeping. And horses spend a lot of time dozing. Want some proof? Drive by a ranch or a pasture with horses and count how many of those horses are active. Check how many of them are grazing and how many are walking or running around. Now, check how many of them are just standing with their heads down and their eyes closed.
Horses can get some light sleep without having to lay down. This is due to a special mechanism in the equine anatomy. This mechanism is the Stay Apparatus. A horse can lock its kneecap with ligaments and tendons to keep its joints aligned. All while standing perfectly still. As a result, the horse's bones get locked together.
Sleeping on one's feet is uncomfortable for humans. This is not the case for horses. For horses, lying down is more uncomfortable. Due to their large sizes, their blood flow might be restricted if they lie down for long periods. It can result in excessive pressure on their internal organs.
The Stay Apparatus is a product of evolution and a means of survival for horses. Before humans learned how to domesticate horses, they are wild animals. And for them to survive in the wild, they need to always be ready to outrun their predators at a moment's notice.
A quick escape from an attack by a predator won't be possible if they sleep lying down. They will waste precious seconds if they have to get up every time they get attacked while sleeping. And in the world of predators and preys, those few seconds can mean the difference between life and death. Even now when most horses are stabled, this survival technique has been forever embedded in their genetic makeup.
Do horses experience REM Sleep?
Horses, just like humans, also experience REM Sleep. For horses to achieve REM Sleep, they need to lie down. But unlike humans, horses don't require a lot of REM sleep. Horses usually need roughly 2 to 3 hours of REM sleep a night. And these 2 or 3 hours are not continuous. Horses sleep deeply in short bursts of 10 to 20 minutes a time.
Sleeping in a safe environment
There is another requirement for a horse to lie down to sleep. Unlike humans who just lie down whenever they feel sleepy, horses need a sense of security before they do so. Lying down can be a very dangerous maneuver if you live in an environment where you can be a predator's dinner in an instant. This kind of environmental stressor is not limited to just wild horses.
Even domesticated horses need a safe environment before they decide to lie down. Even with the absence of wolves or other predators, a horse in a ranch or in a stall won't lay down if it experiences stress.
Horses use the buddy system for sleeping. When one horse is sleeping, the other stays awake to watch over. It's the same system that humans do when they go on trips or hikes. The buddy system is meant to ensure that someone's got your back and always on the lookout for possible danger. When the sleeping horse wakes up, the watch-horse will take its place and the other will be the new watch-horse. This arrangement or rotation is not just for horses in barns. A group of horses or a herd of horses will also exhibit the same pattern.
Even though they don't have any predators in ranches or farm pastures, there are still problems affecting the hours of sleep that a modern horse will have. A loud and busy barn can disrupt a horse's sleep. Another common issue is the size of the stall where the horse sleeps. If the stall is too small, the horse won't be comfortable enough to lie down and sleep.
What are the normal sleep patterns of horses?
Studies conducted in from the 1960s to the '70s showed that horses have four phases of sleep. These are diffuse drowsiness, intermediary, slow-wave, and paradoxical.
Diffuse drowsiness is light sleep. This is when a horse stands with its front legs parallel. It has a slightly lowered head and neck. It is also common for the horse to display a downward gaze with relaxed eyelids, ears, and lower lip. During this stage, you might notice the horse resting one of its hind legs. While the horse rests one hind leg, the hind-end weight gets support or carried by the other rear limb.
The Intermediary Phase is the phase just before the horse lies down. This is the part where the horse is alert. It takes its time examining the surroundings. If satisfied that there is no immediate threat, it lies down. Once lying down, the horse will go through the diffuse drowsiness state again.
A horse will only go through the Slow-Wave phase if it is confident about the safety of its environment. A drowsy horse often lies in sternal recumbency. This means that the horse is on its abdomen and its legs tucked under. In this stage of sleep, a horse often has its head slightly raised. Up to this point, the horse can get easily aroused from its slight slumber. Horses, in general, lie on their side when they want to move into slow-wave sleep.
In paradoxical sleep, the horse needs to lie down. This is so all of its muscles can relax. This is the phase where REM occurs. And although this is the stage of deep sleep, a horse's brain is still very active. What's interesting about this is that although the brain is active, the horse is in a paralyzed state. If you see a horse in paradoxical sleep, you will notice that it moves its head to the side and to the ground. The horse does this so its head can remain propped up. There have been suggestions that horses favor this sternal posture. The most likely reason for this preference is horses have an easier time breathing in this position than when they are lying on their sides.
Why is REM Sleep important for horses?
Rapid Eye Movement or REM Sleep is the most important stage in the sleep cycle. It is particularly important for developing the nervous system. This is also the stage where new memories get created.
Studies have shown that even if an animal is allowed to sleep uninterrupted if they get constantly woken up from REM sleep, they will have a reduced ability to learn.
When a horse is sleep-deprived, it becomes week. It also loses the ability to control its body temperature. Its metabolism exhilarates. When this happens, it will require more food than normal, yet it will still lose weight.
The same thing happens to humans. Humans who experience sleep-deprivation often suffer from discomfort or drowsiness. The lack of REM sleep results in a change of activity of neurotransmitters and the central nervous system. As a result, it negatively impacts the wellbeing. The ability to learn and store new memories are also affected.
What are the reasons why a horse won't or cannot lie down to sleep?
Pain. If a horse associates lying down to pain, then it will not voluntarily do so. If a horse experiences musculoskeletal pain, a horse might resist the notion of lying down. Examples of this kind of pain include osteoarthritis, abdominal, or thoracic pain.
Dominance displacement. Some horses, particularly geldings, take the role of the dominant horse in a group. This is similar to the Alpha male of wolf packs. There is a theory that these horses do not sleep because they feel that it is their responsibility to keep vigil over the herd. This condition is often found when there is no alpha male in the herd.
Sleep Terrors. Some horses experience sleep terrors, just like humans. You will them lying on their sides with their legs moving as if they are running. They then suddenly rise in confusion and fear. They often remain in this agitated state for a few minutes.
What can be done help a horse get more sleep?
There are several techniques that one can employ to provide a horse with a feeling of security.
The first one is to add a companion horse. This is a technique that works not just for horses that live on farm pastures. This will also work for horses that sleep on barn stalls or paddocks. Even if the horse cannot see its companion, it can sense that it is not alone in the paddock. This is enough to make the horse feel more secure.
Horse owners can also remove an aggressive horse from an area. Aggressive horses can disrupt the harmony in a group. They can also intimidate "weaker" horses. When this happens, the other horses will always be on guard and end up being sleep-deprived. They will display behavior similar to when a predator is on the hunt for them. As a result, they will forego deep sleep so that they can quickly escape from the aggressive horse.
An increase in the size of the stall or paddock can also help a horse get more sleep. As mentioned earlier, horses need enough room for them to lie down and sleep comfortably. If a horse can stretch properly while sleeping, they can get into a deep sleep in a shorter time.
Horse owners can also move a horse away from loud noises. The loud sound generated by highways or traffic can agitate a horse. In the same way that humans have a hard time sleeping when there are loud outside noises, horses also need a quiet place to sleep.
Humans are fortunate enough to have noise-dampening curtains or white noise machines. They can use these devices to block out loud disruptive noises. These devices are not available to horses. The best thing that horse owners can do is to make sure that the paddock or shelter is far away from the source of loud noises. Even the constant humming generated by power lines can prevent horses from sleeping soundly.
What are the common sleeping habits of horses?
Horses usually lie down to dun themselves. You can even find several horses lying down at the same time. This is their version of a communal sunbath on a warm spring day. When in cold snowy conditions, horses tend to spend less time lying down.
The sleeping patterns of horses also change as they age. A young horse, a foal or a pony under three months of age, can sleep for up to 12 hours a day. On the other hand, older horses, sleep only for about 3 hours in an entire 24-hour period. Much older horses, sleep more but not as much as foals.
Additional Resources
- https://www.horsesoficeland.is/community/stories/how-do-horses-sleep/1035
- https://www.petmd.com/blogs/thedailyvet/aobriendvm/2014/november/contraray-popular-belief-horses-do-not-sleep-standing-321
- https://www.huffingtonpost.com/quora/why-do-horses-sleep-stand_b_2323212.html
- https://www.animalfriends.co.uk/pet-advice/horse-advice/how-do-horses-sleep/
- https://www.petplan.com.au/blog/horse/how-do-horses-sleep/
- https://practicalhorsemanmag.com/health-archive/eqpowernap1771
- https://thehorse.com/113753/equine-sleep-patterns-from-a-to-zzzzzzzzz/
- https://www.equisupermarketblog.co.uk/strange-sleeping-habits-horses/
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Jerusalem to host two international medical conferences focused on biochemistry and innovation in September.
Jerusalem is Israel's leading city with such a strong concentration of life science companies and medical research labs. Rooted in top international academic and research institutions, staffed by highly educated and skilled teams and operating within an environment that inspires innovation, Jerusalem is an innovative force answering today's healthcare challenges.
Boasting a developed infrastructure that combines research and innovation, Jerusalem is an ideal location for conferences in the fields of life sciences.
Next week, two international medical conferences will be hosted in Jerusalem bringing over 2,000 participants to the city.
Recognized as one Europe's largest organizations in molecular life sciences, the 42nd Federation of European Biochemical Societies (FEBS) Congress will bring over 1600 participants to Jerusalem.
The FEBS Congress aims to provide an outstanding international forum in the area of Europe and neighboring regions for the face to face exchange of knowledge and ideas across the molecular life sciences.
The broad subject coverage of the Congress and its size provide an excellent setting for participants to gain valuable insight into progress in research areas beyond their own. In addition, a range of special sessions aim to engage participants on wider issues, such as teaching in the molecular life sciences, and science and society questions. A commercial exhibition provides additional interest.
To read more about the 42nd FEBS Congress
mHealth Israel
As the FEBS Congress will explore new aspects of biomedical research, mHealth Israel will bring 400 of world's sharpest minds, startups, and tech companies to shape the future of global medical innovation.
mHealth Israel Founder Levi Shapiro stated "Based on the comprehensive mHealth Israel database, it is clear that Jerusalem is experiencing a boom in life science and Medtech investment and startups. Jerusalem offers the perfect setting for global C-level decision makers to meet innovative startups from across Israel, Europe and the US."
As Israel's largest medical technology conference, mHealth Israel is bringing an impressive bill of international speakers including:
- Nicola Blackwood, Former Health Minister, UK
- Hal Wolf, CEO of HIMSS
- Lucas Josten, Vice President, Digital Health at Deutsche Telecom
- Laure Maillant, Technical Advisor in digital innovation at the French Ministry of Health
In one week, 2,000 global conference participants will converge in Jerusalem. The city will serve as a hub of medical innovation and research, bringing together leading international experts and many young researchers.
In addition to the two life science conferences being hosted in Jerusalem, the inspiring atmosphere of Jerusalem will certainly stimulate exciting collaborative opportunities for all involved.


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The idea behind project FASHION REVOLUTION is to increase public awareness in Slovakia and Czech Republic on the subject of child abuse in the fashion industry in countries of Middle and Far East while working in inhuman conditions. Our company would like to help children who live in such a difficult situations. We joined with the Czech and Slovak Republic the worldwide campaign named FASHION REVOLUTION, which aims to get into the public awareness this current world problem. The goal of the campaign is to support domestic manufacturers in Slovakia and Czech Republic in the clothing sector. We want to point out that products manufactured in our country give a guarantee of product creation in human conditions and by its purchasing we support people who responsibly educate the next generation. Finally, the collected funds will support young talented artists and fashion designers from Slovakia and Czech Republic in the form of support and development of their creativity by funding their projects etc.
Symbol of JITKA KLETT for FASHION REVOLUTION is perfume Fashion Revolution and memory games. These can be purchased in projects organized by Citizens association of Jitka Klett or Endowment fund of Jitka Klett, also at points of sale of the fashion brand JITKA KLETT PRG all around the world and in fashion studios of Jitka Klett in Košice and Prague.
Money collected from the sale of perfumes are used to achieve the above mentioned objectives.


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Pink Pints Pizza Party at Little Beasts
Pink Pints 905
Friday, 17 November 2017 from 7:30 PM to 10:00 PM (EST)
Event Details
It's finally time to celebrate the opening of Little Beasts Brewing Co. and what better way to do that than with a Pink Pints pizza party.
Our host and dear friend Erin will walk us through a flight of Little Beasts beers while we catch-up and eat pizza.
Your ticket will include:
- a flight of Little Beasts beers
- pizza
- a tour of Erin's fancy new brewhouse
More beer samples as well as some awesome Little Beasts will be available for purchase.
Looking forward to seeing many of you wonderful ladies again, and hopefully some new faces as well!
Limited tickets will be available at the door for $20, cash only.
Please note: This event are open to women only - we are the Pink Pints, after all.
When & Where
Little Beasts Brewing Co.
2075 Forbes Street, Unit 4
Friday, 17 November 2017 from 7:30 PM to 10:00 PM (EST)
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The Pink Pints meet once a month. Whether you work in beer, drink (and love!) beer or have never actually had a beer, come out and join us! Meeting venues change month to month (there are so many breweries and beers to explore) but great company, good beer and fun is always guaranteed!


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Has anyone else not told their partner about their debt and got through it?
edited 30 November -1 at 1:00AM in Debt-Free Wannabe
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dottyanne Forumite1.5K postsNo-one can tell you what to do for the best as no-one really knows you better than yourself. Do you really, deep down think your husband wouldnt think the same of you and love you just as much for being in debt as not being in debt? i doubt it. At the end of the day you have to do what suits you best. In my case it was eating me up inside and i just felt so uptight and worried all the time it was making me physically sick - couldnt eat, sleep...etc. I feel better now i told my hubby but thats just in my case. If you really really dont feel you can tell him at the moment - then just keep posting on here and we will help you all we can.......dont rush into a decision - think it over and do whats best for you..dottyanne xxFocusing on clearing the credit cards in 2018 :T0
mjh1977 Forumite60 postsThings are different for everyone, but my experience is that my OH was amazing. He looked coolly on it, showed me how I could repay - although I was convinced it was impossible - and continues to support me in paying off what I owe. In addition, the joint account we have, into which we both pay slightly more than necessary, avoids the issue of unequality financially.
My advice, for what it's worth. Be clear it's not the other person's problem, and then it's like any other problem. If you had a health problem he'd support you, even if you'd drunk / smoked /ate your way into it. Spending then is the same, and you will get over it.
Mmjh1977 Highest debt -18.5k (Dec 04) Current debt now below £10k for the first time in 4 years :j0
southernscouser Forumite33.7K posts✭✭✭✭✭I never told my fiance about my debts and now she's my ex fiance! :doh:
I think it was a major contributor to us splitting up though. We never did anything (coz I couldn't afford to and nor could she), all our friends were buying or had bought houses/flats. We looked but I knew I couldn't afford it. Just kind of played along.
Anyway, when we split she cited the fact I wasn't interested in getting a place with her (I was, just too much debt), and that we never did anything, went anywhere (she quickly forgot the 8 or 9 foreign holidays in the previous 4-5 years :rolleyes: )
Not saying we would have stayed together had I been honest but you never know!
Do I regret not telling her? Yes I do. 100%. Part of me still wants to tell her now!
It's a bit hypocritical of me, but for what it's worth I think you should tell him. Don't spend the rest of your life asking yourself "what if?" It ain't much fun!0
jesster_2 Forumite393 postsworried, I tell you what I'd do if I were you.
Your OH has just recently found out about his brother's debts. And his reaction was pretty extreme. But lots of people on here say their OHs flipped out at first with the shock of it and then calmed down and were actually pretty supportive.
So why don't you wait a little while and see whether his attitude towards his brother changes?
Any reaction shows that he cares about his brother. If he genuinely didn't give a damn about him then he'd shrug and say 'so what?'
Rather than trying to second-guess what he'd do, i'd maybe sit tight and wait and see. Gently ask how his bro's getting on from time to time, and see whether his attitude changes. Because at the moment you've seen the gut reaction, and you're worried that if you tell him, at best he'll carry on like that throughout however long it takes you to repay YOUR debts. But you don't know. But if you wait and watch a while, that way you make an informed decision. Plus you'll be further into paying your own debts off as and when the time comes to tell him.
But don't look at it as time to worry you're doing the right thing, or time wasted. You're investing some time in getting the knowledge to find out what's the right thing to do. That's time well spent, I'd say.
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dollindebt Forumite71 postsI finally had to 'fess up when the letters and phone calls started from the creditors after I entered into a DMP with Payplan. My husband would have been able to see the whole situation very clearly in our credit report, in any case, and it has also affected his credit rating as we are joint owners of our house. It was not easy to tell him, but I felt huge relief at unloading the secret. We now communicate much better about financial issues (but still argue! At least it is in the open!).
We have not, however, discussed our financial problems with our parents and families as I am sure they would be horrified. I have told a few close friends, who are understanding if we turn down invites to restaurants, etc.
I was especially stressed when I was hiding this horrible financial secret--my hair fell out and I was depressed for 3 years. I would encourage anyone to tell their OH if possible. Life is much better now--in a few years, I will wonder what I ever worried about.Debt-free in May 2015 with the help of Payplan and MSELightbulb Moment: November 22, 2004 :idea:0
tigernymph Forumite18 postsMy OH earns less than I do and has to pay his ex for his two kids AND travel 800 miles per month to see them AND 1800 miles per month for work. We have a house together for which I pay the mortgage as he pays his for his house. We then split our house bills for everything else.
At the moment I'm working abroad and it's bringing in extra money, but I always worry about HIM. However many times he rejigs his finances ( and we both get the MSE suggestions) he is always struggling. My debts are starting to get sorted and I want to help him....but he won't let me. But I will do it in other ways, topping up his fuel ( and not telling him) making sure we have enough food in ( so he doesn't have to pop put) and using everything we have for "Heinz 57" meals ( bits of all sorts of odd things) when we're up with his kids ( they're used to my odd mixtures now and seem to quite like it :rotfl:
When I get home I will sit down and go through his list again and re read all the MSE tips and see if I can help him improve it. The thing that always keeps me focussed on talking to him is that a friend of my father's ran up enormous debt and was too ashamed to tell anyone...and committed suicide. As I said in my title, keep trying and keep talking, the anticipation of what your OH may think is usually worse than thier actual reaction. Take care of yourselves and each other :A :kisses3:
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MuMu_4 Forumite10 postsHi Worried.
Sorry if this goes on for ever but I've been reading this and your other thread and there is one thing which concerns me slightly. It may just be that you didn't think to mention it but it seems to me that there are ways in which your husband is responsible for your situation and also ways that he should be helping you whether you tell him or not.
What I mean is that although your debts are not his responsibility, your reduced income is. You talk about monthly outgoings of £250 towards mortgage and bills. I hope that this at least has been adapted to take account of your reduced income but if not then I'm not just concerned but furious.
On top of this is the fact that your disposable income has gone down but your spending needs are the same (or probably more). Maybe you could talk to your husband about your situation from this point of view without mentioning your debts (if you decide not to tell him about these). Explain that your reduced income is an issue and that you need him to contribute more to the joint outgoings or to your car expenses etc.
I may be unusual in that I come from a background (my parents) where everything got paid into a joint bank account. Income was shared completely. This might not be possible in your situation but I strongly feel that in a situation where people are having children together they should share the costs equally whether those costs come in the form of increased outgoings or reduced income.
As a suggestion which is less radical than what my parents did here are two other ways of doing this.
A friend of mine is married but has no children. She and her husband share household expenses according to their incomes. I don't know the details but for example if he earns 15% more than her he pays 15% more of the mortgage, bills and groceries etc. What this means is that if 50% of her income has to be spent on these things 50% of his does too.
I also know someone who has relatively recently gone back to work after raising 3 children. She can only find part time work and as her husband was able to gain huge promotions while she was raising the children (for 25 years) they decided that it is not fair for her 'spending money' to be less than his as a result. They have therefore decided that they should each have equal 'spending money'. So if his income was £1,800 per month and hers just £1,000 and the joint outgoings were £1,200 he would pay £1,000 towards these and she only £200 so that they each had £800 to spend. (Please note I completely made up these figures but you get the idea).
I hope this has given you some ideas of how you can broach the subject with your husband. I want to repeat that your reduced income is his fault/responsibility as much as yours so it is not unreasonable for you to ask him to balance this with an equivalent reduction in his own income.
Sorry for rambling on so long but I think that this is an important issue and I hope my suggestions are helpful.
pixie1 Forumite1.4K postsMy oh doesnt know about my situation. He knows I still have some cc debt and that from Jan this year Ive really cut back on my spending and that Ive become tight LOL but he doesnt know the extent of my problem.
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Dayonna Carson and Danae Wnuk Accepted Into Inaugural 'Chattanooga As Text' Program
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The city of Chattanooga has a lot to offer, from murals on abandoned buildings to beautiful statues on the side of the street, but there are some things around the city that could be improved. That is why the Chattanooga as Text Program decided to gather a group of high school girls who could innovate places around our city.
There is always room for improvement as seen by Dr. Autumn Graves, founder of Chattanooga As Text. This organization, the first of its kind, was created for placemaking. Placemaking is the practice of looking at a place with the idea of reinventing or improving it to meet the needs of others.
"The reason why the program was named Chattanooga as Text is because we were asked to redefine what is considered text. To get to a more complete understanding of the word, we took pictures of different areas of the city and basically had to describe them," projected Dayonna Carson, a sophomore at Central, "We would look at our surroundings of statues and other artwork and we would try and think, 'How does this define us?' 'How does that make us different from other people?' or 'How does this contribute to the atmosphere and background of this specific location?' In the end, we realized that culture as well as the objects around us act as a type of 'text' since they can guide us and explain how certain areas came to be."
Girls from different high schools across Chattanooga were chosen for the challenge of reinventing their city. During the summer, they toured Chattanooga in search of potential improvements.
The 12 girls were separated into groups of four, where they came up with a problem that needed to be solved which could benefit the community. Danae Wnuk, a sophomore at Central, and her group decided to conquer the issue of mental illness, predominantly in teens.
"We wanted to create a film festival that partnered with Chattanooga's film festival. It could be an annual thing where we could ask people to submit a film each year, that way we can have a different theme every year," explained Wnuk, "We would spread the word through schools because we want students to be the ones that work on those films."
Dayonna Carson considered the under-representation of arts in schools.
"Our group wanted to tackle the under-representation of art in schools, so we planned to have a travelling art bus that allows kids to understand the different types of art techniques, and ultimately gain exposure to the many art forms out there," expressed Carson.
Her team prevailed at the final pitch in front of the many stake holders that had the resources to make these ideas into a reality.
Another group addressed the issue of homelessness, primarily focusing on veterans. They thought about creating gardens in people's homes where the homeless would help the owners grow the produce. Once the crops were ripe, the owners would gain a percentage of the vegetables and fruits produced while the homeless sold the rest of the produce at a market, or took what they needed. The groups hoped that this process would both bring organic produce to those around the community and give the homeless employment and food.
Mrs. Hooper, the gifted teacher at Central, was the one who announced that there would be an event that the girls could attend, which awarded them with an iPad, and would add substance to their résumés. She added that it would be an amazing opportunity to gain presentation, social, and other essential skills.
"Initially, I didn't know what the program was. I had an idea of what their mission was, but I wanted to learn more. I wanted to know what goes through people's heads when they make crucial decisions for the inhabitants of a city. There's lots of places in the area that need to be revamped since they are useless now. I wanted to improve these places myself because I'm very disappointed with how they look," conveyed Carson.
There were many activities in which they participated in. Some examples include three yoga sessions, an escape room adventure, camping, and meeting with the mayor, where they asked Mr. Andy Berke questions about the city.
"It was interesting and I learned a lot about what they taught. I also gained many skills in placemaking and social entrepreneurship," mentioned Wnuk.
"For me, it was very enlightening and fun. I got to learn a lot more about what goes into making a business. I used to think that all businesses were out for our money," added Carson.
They both learned to make connections along with being more presentable. They assimilated the process of creating a business and making it successful.
"You need to ask the people, the community, what they want to see change," acknowledged Carson.
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Hi everyone.
I've been hooked on Hydrocodone for about a year now. I started to take them after I was involved in a horrific motorcycle accident.
I caught this web site a couple of days ago and I decided to try to quit.
I contacted a registered doctor in my area and was told that the treatment included frequent drug testing which I have no problem with until he told me that the testing could cost me $2,000 a pop and the entire program could cost as much as $15,000. I simply can't afford that kind of cash. Of course if there is no other way, I'll have to try to pull a loan because I'm determined to see this through.
I'm just wondering if the cost is about average or if I should try to seek other sources.
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Hi dt1 and welcome, I'd check around and see if there were any other certified physicians who will treat you at a more reasonable cost. $2,000 sounds a bit outlandish for a drug test, to say the least.
From this link: http://www.naabt.org/patient_doctor/splash.cfm
There are two ways to find physicians. One, you put your zip code in and mile radius and it generates a list in that area.
The second is the Patient/Physician Matching System - a confidential way to have a physician who has openings email you. You fill out the form, supply a working email address - which is changed into an ID# - and an email is sent to participating physicians in the mileage radius you choose (from your zip code). If a physican has an opening, you'll get an email back through the system - the physicians do not have your email address.
Please let us know how you make out.
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Nancysaid in a polite way that $2000 was too high.I am less polite than Nancy,$2000 for testing and $15,000 total is FREAKING RIDICULOUS!! It should be criminal to even try and con somebody out of that kind of money.Please take Nancy"s advise and locate another Doctor.
Congratulations on making a decision that will help turn your life around.Check in here and recieve great info and support,no one here will allow you to be cheated like the con artist you ran into attempted.
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Some docs will allow you to purchase a drug test online, like on ebay. These in office test kits are usually accurate enough for this purpose and most docs are agreeable. They cost about $10 to test for 8-10 different drugs.
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WELCOME to NAABT.
I would be lookin for another doctor.That price is outrages,I won't say what I am really thinkin about that doctor.Watch out for crooks.Just because you want out of the lifestyle you are now in does not mean you have to pay that kind of money to do so.I wish you the best of luck in your search for a "Good Doctor" that will treat you like any other patient that walks into the office for medical care.
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I have been going to my Sub Dr for seven months. He did a baseline drug test on day one. I asked him to do another test 5 weeks later to see if I methadone was out of my system. It was. Those are the only 2 tests I have had in seven months. The first drug test was included in the $250.00 first time visit fee. The second test, performed at my request, was supposed to cost $50. I have yet to be charged for that test.
I see my Sub Dr every other month, as he writes one refill. I pay $50 to see the Dr every other month. I called two other Drs in the Knoxville area and they wanted $600 for the first visit. I would have to be seen once per month at a cost of $150. According to them, it was against the law and they would be thrown in jail, if they did not see me every month. Ha! What a joke. They think we are stupid.
My wife called one of those same Drs, asking him how much a new patient would have to pay for a complete physical. The cost was $120. He went on to say that once established as a patient, each subsequent visit would cost her $60, assuming no xrays or lab work.
A complete physical for a "brand new" patient was $120. An "established" Sub patient seen just for the purpose of picking up a script, was $150, $30 more. Someone please tell me why the difference. I think I know why Drs charge Sub patients so much, because they can. Above is just one of many examples of a Dr taking the whopping 8 hour course to obtain a liscense to steal.
People lobbied hard to raise the 30 patient Sub limit to 100. I even wrote letters to several congressmen and paid to have them hand delivered. I think it is time we now lobby to try and put an end to this armed(with a pen) robbery. Until now, I have never seen a situation where people in a profession have taken the exact same course only to come out and put into practice what they have learned, with such inconsistencies.
I have already drafted a letter that I am sending to the co-sponsers of the Sub bill, Senators Hatch and Levin. I am copying the letter to all members of congress. This is an attempt to express my anger and frustration at the way some of these greedy Drs are pricing Sub treatment out of the reach of a lot of people.
I am listing several examples of the way some of these Drs are doing business. I doubt anything will come of it, but I will feel better. I hope some of you join me. Locally, I am considering taking out an OP-ED piece in the Knoxville, Tn newspaper.
I guess it is obvious by now that I absoluely cannot stand Drs like this. I have asked this question before and I will ask it again. Why does the course that offers any and all MDs the chance to get their Sub prescribing number, last 8 hours? Worse than that, why is it possible for them to get their Sub credentials by way of a CD.
I understand, fully, the rationale of the powers that be wanting as many MDs as possible prescribing Sub. As consumers that pay for this treatment however, quality of Sub providers is as important as quantity. The only people being short changed in the cases of greedy and/or incompetent Drs is, as usual, the patients.
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Hi Wayne,
It's my understanding addiction is not a required subject to graduate medical school. It is an elective. I hope in light of the brain imaging technology and the advances in the understanding of the brain disease of addiction particularly over the last 10 years that this will become a required part of medical training. Few diseases affect more people (directly or indirectly) than addiction.
As evidence of the efficacy of treatment mounts, addiction will gain the respect of the medical community and be treated like other treatable brain diseases. Stigma still plagues this disease. Until the public begins to understand why addiction is a treatable disease, everything associated with treatment will be marginalized.
One thing we can all do to help change the minds of the country is to avoid drug war terms when talking about the disease in public. These terms have been very effective at creating the stigma. Using medical terms and demanding others use respectful language when speaking to us about addiction will help greatly. We won't be able to change the minds of public if we use words like clean, dirty, junky, abuse, addict, and others. Replacing them with medical terms will not only help decrease the stigma but will help with the self esteem of those suffering with the disease.
I'll get off my soap box...I wrote a thread about the words we use and it has examples of replacement words and articles about stigma and language. http://www.naabt.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=358
Thanks for reading..
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Thanks for all of the replies. I appreciate your support. I found a Dr. that charges reasonable rates and I have an appointment with him tomorrow. I was told over the phone that actual treatment will not start until Monday because I'll have to be completely off the Vicodin starting Friday. I just hope I can do it. The longest I've gone without is two days and I thought I was going to crawl out of my skin. Any any case, I'm still looking forward to it. Thanks again. I'll check back in on Monday
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That's great news! I knew you could find another doctor to treat you.Now,you don't have to be sick when you are induced with Buprenorphine.The idea is to be in 'Mild to Moderate' Withdrawals before taking that first dose.If you are not in WD,you could go into 'Precipitated Withdrawal'.You Do Not want this to happen,you will be really sick.I have listed a link below that you can check out for yourself.Check it out,you will be glad you have this info before taking Bupe.I look forward to hearing how you do on Monday.Please stay in touch and let us know how we can best help you.And please feel free to ask any questions or concerns you may have about this treatment.
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congrats dt1..glad to hear you found a more reasonable Dr..I agree the first mentioned Dr's fees are outlandish..I have random drug testing done at a local lab when my sub Dr orders it and I pay $35 for that. $2000 is just holy moly off the wall ...
I would question when you go to the Dr why it is they want you to stop the vics on friday when you wont start treatment till monday..definitely read the education section on here as much as you can before your appt and make a list of questions for the Dr.
as for going from Fri till Mon in wds..well that seems somewhat unreasonable to me, in all honesty. Again check out to education section and ask the Dr everything you can think of so you are comfortable with the knowledge you have about treatment.
Let us know how it goes! of course feel free to keep asking questions here and anything else that might be on your mind.
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Thanks again everyone. I've had some time to think and I'm a bit concerned about the 72+ hour detox time before any treatment but I know I can do it. My big concern is being truthful about the actual quantity I'm ingesting Dailey. I know it's important but I haven't been getting it legally. The true story is that I've been provided two doctors that obviously haven't been on the same page. I request a refill from one and then the other. All of the sudden I have a double prescription. To add to it I have been purchasing it off the street. Currently I'm taking a minimum of 8-750mg tabs Dailey and some days as much as 12-14. How do I go about telling my doctor? I feel like a criminal. I know I have to get my life back in order but I don't want to disclose any illegal sources. This is the pitts!
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A sub doctor doesn't need to know or care WHERE you got it.. but you still should say "I've been taking this xxmg a day"
Your privacy is protected under HIPAA unless you're a current danger to yourself or society... in which case your not... as far as we know..
You shouldn't have to worry about it..
I obtained my doc illegally... 800mg morphine a day.. and my doctor didn't ask where I got it.. just said holy god thats alot...
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Hi and welcome! As the others have said, you really don't need to go 72hours off of hydro-I went 24 hours and that was too long, in fact it was so awful that I went to the er the night before and got some clondine to make it til morning! If you read the links that have been provided you will know what you need to do. Also, as Edge posted, you probably should tell the dr your dosage, but I very much doubt
they will ask where you were getting it. This is really something wonderful that you are doing for yourself, try not to let it stress you out. The people here are the best- they will answer any questions you might have and pretty much walk you through the whole process.
I am really glad you found this forum and I wish you the best.
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Well, It looks like I'm back to square one.
I went to the Doc today and paid $370.00 to fill out the forms and a consultation. He told me that I will be replacing an Opiate with another Opiate and that I might be on it for the rest of my life! He also said that I can expect to pay as much as $1,600.00 a month for the Meds. If this is the case, I figure that maybe I should just stay in the Vicodin. This way I save all of the cash for the doctor visits and testing not to mention the Vicodine being 1/5th of the cost. It looks like my only other option is Cold Turkey.
I suppose I could go on vacation for two weeks and lock myself in the bedroom. Man oh man. This is really the pitts! Looks like I'm in for the ride of my life. Did anybody here see Train Spotting?
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Hi dt1, Wow. Ok, Let's start with replacing an opiate with another opiate. Bupe is an opioid partial agonist, please read this from our FAQs for a good explanation:
As for $1,600 a month for the meds. I honestly don't see where he is coming up with that.
Here's a thread where people are saying what they paid:
Is he talking about pharmacy costs for the med or him supplying you with the meds? Taking the *target* dose of 16mg and an average (of what I've heard lately, and this is a littel on the higher end) price of $5.50 that comes out to $330 a month.
Then you could use one of the discount prescription cards from this thread to get the price lower, or even shop around where you are.
I honestly cannot figure out where he is getting that figure.
And as far as you being on it for the rest of your life, that is something that you have a say in. You should be able to determine, perhaps with the help of your support system, when would be the right time for you to taper off.
Was he the only doctor in your area?
I hope this was helpful.
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There are three doctors in my area. The first one stated that treatment will be as much as $2,000.a month for the meds and testing and the doctor I visited today stated $1,600. a month for the meds alone. I'm not sure if that price is pharmacy or from him but he didn't offer any alternative option. I came in fully prepared th pay $3-400. a month and possibly as much as $500.Mo. I simply can't afford $1,600. a month. I would however find a way if I knew it was only for a few months. Not for life.
I called my regular insurance provided clinic but was told that I couldn't get an appointment until the second week in May. I also explained that my regular prescription will run out by this weekend and even if I could refill I didn't want to use it anymore. So the withdrawals will start on Saturday. They did say that they will have someone call me back and try to get me in. I can only hope for that.
Thanks again for the reply
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Boy are you having bad luck finding the right Doctor.It almost sounds like the ones in your area are colluding,which would be illegal I believe.Anyway dont give up but dont allow yourself to be taken advantage or either. Where are you from? You may have to drive a little further to find an honest Doctor but at the prices the quacks you have found thus far are asking you could hire a limo to drive you there and still come out ahead.Please listen to Nancy concerning the prices,they are in line with what is the market rate for Sub treatment.
Better luck,
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Keep calling around..it is well worth it.
I have to self pay for my meds and the Dr visit.
For both I spend about 300 a month.
Nancy gave you good links about trading addictions, that is a load of hogwash.
The idea is that you are taking a medication, as prescribed to help you get your life together. Then if you are comfortable with how things are going in life you can taper off.
I agree with Bill, this sounds alot like these Drs are quacks rather then Drs.I urge you to read thru the education section and faqs on here and keep calling! It is well worth a drive once a month if you have to go a little further out.
Best of luck
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I finally got in to see a doctor in my area yesterday. Much to my surprise I found out that my insurance provider (Kaiser) has licensed personnel and I'm covered. I start taking the Suboxone tonight. I'm a bit apprehensive, excited and nervous. This will be the first time off the Vicodin in almost two years. I'm already starting to feel some slight withdrawal but I'm going to hold out as long as I can, just to get an idea how serious my condition is. I was directed to start with two 2mg tabs and one every 4-6 hours as needed. I report back on Monday. My big concern is that unlike privet physicians, Kaiser has nothing to gain by keeping me on it for very long. I'm not sure if that's good or bad but at least it's a step in the right direction. I also consider myself very fortunate to have the support of my family, Coworkers and a support group like this. Thanks very much and I'l report back on Monday evening.
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Congrats on getting started.
How much is your insurance company being charged?Curious because of the ridiculous amounts you had been quoted previously.Hopefully it is a reasonable fee regardless of who is paying.It would really suck if some Doctor is ripping off an insurance company even though that happens frequently.
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Hi dt1, Great news on the Kaiser find! Wondering if you started and how you're doing?
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Ok, It's Sunday morning, 10:15AM. I waited as long as I could. Started getting body aches,sweats,headache and some anxiety. Took two at 1:00AM. In an hour I started feeling much better. To my surprise, I still feel good. I do however have a couple of questions that weren't addressed at the Doc's office. The prescription stated to take one every 4-6 hours as needed. It's been over 11 hours. Should I hold out until I feel symptoms coming on? How far under the tongue do they go, and can I swallow saliva as they are dissolving?
Bill, I posted a reply yesterday as to the cost but it looks like it didn't go through. I'm not sure of the cost because my wife's union covers the cost and Kaiser is the provider. I can tell you that the doctor's visits cost me $25.00 each and the first prescription was $35.00 for 30 2MG tabs.
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yes you can swallow the saliva as dissolving..just get them under your tongue, is all I do, as best I can.
It sounds like you took 4mgs ? so that may end up being the right dose for you, but it may be higher, its so hard to predict..
I would personally not take anymore unless you start feeling icky..with the half life of sub, you may not need to take any more till tomorrow morning..but I wouldnt be surprised if you need another 2 mgs or more later today..
unlike the other meds we were taking the half life on the sub makes it possible to take less often..so you still feeling ok this morning isnt very surprising.
glad to hear you are feeling well..its is such a relief when we feel better from the wds..
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