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Entry for May 07, 2006
Then I find another article that talks about the effects of microwaved water!!!
Do this at home: Test your microwave
By Larry Cook
If you have ever wondered whether or not microwaved food is safe, here's an experiment you can do at home: Plant seeds in two pots. Water one pot with water that has been microwaved, the other with regular tap water.
The seeds that received microwaved water won't sprout. If microwaved water can stop plants from growing, think of what microwaved food can do to your health!
May 7, 2006 - Posted by aaronjreid | Health | Health, microwave, water
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Dr. Bernard Jensen"Unless we know and use foods that have the right chemical elements needed to sustain health, we are hopelessly unable to resist disease."
Dr. Michael Klaper MD"It's not natural for humans to drink cow's milk. Humans milk is for humans. Cow's milk is for calves. You have no more need of cow's milk than you do rats milk, horses milk or elephant's milk. Cow's milk is a high fat fluid exquisitely designed to turn a 65 lb baby calf into a 400 lb cow. That's what cow's milk is for!"
Dr. David Bridgman"Of all the people I test for allergies, 99.9% so far show severe sensitivity to any microwaved food".
Dr. Otto H. Warburg in 1924"Cancer, above all other diseases, has countless secondary causes. But, even for cancer, there is only one prime cause. Summarized in a few words, the prime cause of cancer is the replacement of the respiration of oxygen in normal body cells by a fermentation of sugar."
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Dr. Mercola"Breast milk contains virtually all of the nutrients that an infant needs except for Vitamin D...That's because infants weren't designed to swallow the vitamin D, they were designed to have sun on their skin."
Bill Maher"It was always my opinion that food, at least the food we eat in this country, was at least as bad for your health as smoking. And now, the statistics pretty much back me up on that."
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Prompt: Write a piece that includes a family game of dice, a hatchet and an empty salt shaker.
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The answer, to me at least, is to build an ecosystem of smart folks, and let the Power of Pull do the work for me. So far, it seems to be working. We've put together an informal group of advisors, signed up almost 500 interested individuals from all over the world, and formed a small online group to see where this goes.
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The opportunity for this adventure, being full-time on the road, while still working, all hinges on one thing, access to the internet wherever we are. Not just access, but reliable high speed, capable of supporting video calls, file transfers, and the occasional streaming TV show or movie.
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Apparently we are not the only people to encounter this struggle.
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Planning on RV-ing when we retire and so joined the MIA to see what's what as we are rather heavy internet users here at home in our Sticks'n'Bricks.
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I am a proud member of MIA and I am also an IT professional with over 25 years experience mainly in large corporate networking. I have a number of Cisco and other certifications and am very knowledgeable about networks and networking.
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I have just begun to scratch the surface of all the information that they provide and am very pleased with the guidance I have gotten to date.
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If there is only one membership you will buy before traveling and working full-time, it should be this one.
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My entire arsenal of data plans, cell phone boosters and ways to find Wi-Fi are because of Chris and Cherie and their efforts through Mobile Internet Aficionados.
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We've worked hard to maximize the internet connectivity that drives our business. Yes, we're RVing so we can enjoy freedom and fun and not work ridiculous hours. Without dependable RV internet, however, we'd be at the mercy of whatever free WiFi we can find.
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With so many routers, hot spots, antennas, services, options, and plans available, not to mention trying to figure out what works better or is a better fit for your situation, it can be mind-numbing trying to search for and filter through the information you need and the hype you don't.
My subscription to the MIA is the best money I could have ever spent, because they (Chris and Cherie) do this for you, DAILY, and provide an excellent text (print or eBook) to also educate you on what all of it means.
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Worth every penny in terms of the membership, the discounts you are able to provide on equipment and the very useful apps you developed for coverage, not to mention the public YouTube content you provide which was one of the deciding factors for us to hit the road
Well worth it!
We started full-timing over 3 years ago and what I couldn't figure out was how I was going to get internet on the road. Thankfully we found Chris and Cherie's web site and using their suggestions we snagged an unlimited Verizon data plan for a very cheap price.
I never would have discovered this and would be paying hundreds of dollars more for less data. I will gladly be a premium member and pay the annual fee because we have saved so much money already.
They keep us informed of new information and I'm so grateful.
Worth It! Consistent exceptional reporting.
Chris & Cherie have a corner on the market when it comes to all things dealing with RV mobile internet. No one else addresses these topics in the way they do. October 2014 alone — with its Double Data deals and the Millenicom situation — has been worth the price of admission. Consistent exceptional reporting.
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While we do not work on the road (yet) we do use the internet for all of our travel planning and information to help us stay connected to the world. MIA membership was a logical choice.
We have come to trust Chris and Cherie, and Kiki too.
Top notch research and info served in a not too geeky format, but geeky enough to satisfy the more technical folks, too.
MIA membership paid for itself many times over!
I signed up before I knew much of anything about mobile internet and I can't believe how much money I've saved with the knowledge I've gotten from the newsletters and the forums.
I got in with Omnilynx before they shut it down and got a free hotspot. Then I was able to walk through the UDP AOL process myself.
I can honestly say that signing up to be an MIA has saved me over $1100 in the past 6 months and I'm sure the newsletters will keep me saving more as time goes on. Thanks guys for the awesome information source!
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No matter what your mobile internet needs are, we wouldn't consider buying anything without consulting this website first! They not only know the best gear; they are also always up-to-date on the best data plans from every cellular network.
Join the Mobile Internet Aficionados
Internet options in North America, and specifically the USA, are plentiful. It can be a bear to wrap your head around. These guys are the gurus and can help guide you along based on your needs and budget.
They have more gear reviews than I have sunglasses. And for those that know me, that's a statement.
One of the Best Investments
Working from the road, I need quality Internet service. No work = no play. One of the best investments that I have paid for has been a yearly membership to the Mobile Internet Resource Center.
They are the people that read the fine print
We owe our blog and podcast and everything we do online to Chris & Cherie because without their information, Heath & I would still be bickering over who could sit closest to our hotspot so our email would load faster.
They are on top of all the latest news, the best gadgets, and the best networks. I love knowing that as part of their community, I never have to do any of the research for what plans are best because they've already got a blog or a video or a post on it with all the details fully explained.
The Good and Bad of it
I tend to research a lot before I buy, before joining MIA I made many good decissions and some really expensive and frustrating bad ones. Ideas sound good on paper, MIA Has provided a source of real world experience. Thanks for the insight and community.
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The best part of this channel is they don't sell anything and don't accept advertising. They keep the site going through memberships that offer more in-depth comparisons and access to news before it goes live on the site, among other perks.
The site is really good, so if you are an RV owner and you learn something from their site, please consider becoming a member.
You will not find a better resource
Everything, and I mean everything, you need to know about getting and staying connected on the road (or water). From extensively tested gear guides to tips on working remotely, streaming movies, and boosting signals, you will not find a better resource for mobile internet information anywhere.
Our #1 essential resource is MIA
MIA – Mobile Internet Aficionados – is an ESSENTIAL RESOURCE for our nomadic household. Premium Membership access to the Mobile Internet Resource Center has paid for itself many times over. If you need to work from the road, or simply can't imagine your nomadic life without streaming Netflix, then paying for this membership is a no-brainer!
Researching & tracking all this stuff myself would break my spirit in a week.
This is a pay wall worth paying for!
Thank you Chris and Cherie!
Thank you, thank you, thank you for all you do for me and other full-time RVers. I rely on Internet for my blog and new online design business. Thanks to your help and timely advice, I lucked into a Verizon UDP in 2014. Since then, I have benefited from your constant monitoring of the mobile Internet world and have recommended you to others.
My MIA membership has repaid me several-fold and is an invaluable investment for any RVers who need to have Internet.
The Icing On The Cake
Being a Mobile Internet Aficionado member has saved me hundreds of dollars in just one year. Mobile Internet is a rapidly changing technology and MIA members are always among the first to know about the latest and greatest. The cost of this membership is well worth every penny!
I could never be this happy in a full-time mobile lifestyle without internet connectivity.
Thank you, Chris & Cherie, for all you do.
Membership Should be a Key Item
We work full-time on the road so good Internet access is a top priority. The Mobile Internet Resource Center was instrumental in making us feel comfortable that we'll have connectivity on the road. It hasn't failed us yet and should be a key item for any full-timer that still needs internet access 40+ hours a week.
Love the attention to detail!
Love the attention to detail!
I recommend you guys wherever I go
The savings in internet fees from one tip alone has easily paid for my MIA membership.
I recommend you guys wherever I go.
And while I'm at it, I just want to say I love the new website! Great step forward in simplicity and useability.
A dream saved
In the Spring of 2014 we headed out on a 70 camping excursion trip across the Western US. Intending to work remotely.
The trip was awesome but I'm not going to lie, staying connected to the Internet for work was a disaster.
Once back home, we felt like future trips like this one were out of the question. Fulltiming, an impossible dream.
Then we stumbled across the Mobile Internet Resource Center and The Mobile Internet Handbook. Becoming a member and reading this book were salvation for our wanderlust. Now we are truly ready to venture forth with the knowledge and equipment to succeed.
Our number one source to mobile connectivity!
As full time RV'ers one of the hardest things to do is keep up on all of the latest technology. It takes a great deal of time, effort, and gadget accessibility to research the pros and cons of the devices suitable for our life style.
Cherie and Chris understand many of the technical limitations we face on the road and they help us find the best and most affordable way to stay connected.
We at liv2rv.com strongly recommend MIA as our number one source to mobile connectivity!
Heads Up THANK YOU!!!
Thanx to the HEADS UP, today I walked into a nearby Verizon store. Purchased an 8800L MiFi, attached to a Unlimited Prepaid plan. 8800L was $199, first month plan was $70, and the 8800L is currently being charged up to start using.
Cherie and Chris, your inspiration, motivation, and adventures are FUNtabulous; however, your RV Mobile Internet info is outstandingly superb. Much appreciated.
You make things too easy!
Mobile internet solutions are decisions that I have been putting off for nearly a year because of the amount of time it was going to take me to do the proper research.
All I did was spend a little bit of money on your membership, take a few hours to read all of the incredible research you had completed, and magically, I had nearly everything that I needed to move forward.
And that makes me a happy (full time) camper!
Worth every penny
I'm a full time remote worker so tons of data is a pretty firm requirement for me. I was taking so much time researching what was the best deal and wondering if promotions were starting that I was going crazy!
Having someone else keep on top of what are the best data deals and promotions and then emailing me to make sure I am one of the first to know is just awesome. Add to that the handbook, the videos, the forums, the product reviews etc.
I can't believe I waited so long to sign up. Thanks for all the work you do!
New full timers getting it together…
This year we rented our Hawaii home and left the islands to explore the US and Canada full time in our fifth wheel for several years. Understanding the different strategies to stay online, especially while boondocking in remote locations, is important. My Mobile Internet Resource Center membership has provided the information I need to stock my tech cabinet intelligently. Thank you so much! I recommend this membership to anyone trying to stay connected on the road.
This group keeps me ahead of the connectivity curve!
Staying connected on the move is a part of our livelihood but trying to stay up to date with everything from carriers to plan changes and new devices, has become impossible…that is until The Mobile Internet Aficionados group came about.
This group has become an invaluable source of information and I have never felt more informed or educated.
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I was blown away by the Mobile Internet University Classroom which is a supplement to the book. In an afternoon, I learned what would have taken months to dig out on my own .
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Chris and Cherie do an excellent job providing great advice and knowledge for anybody trying to have reliable Internet while traveling in an RV.
MIA has saved us a lot of money and frustrations trying to stay connected.
With advice on equipment, cellular service and general knowledge the membership fee is a small educational expense. Thanks so much for your service.
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Working remotely as they roam – they practice what they preach through first hand experience.
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The information on Chris and Cherie's website is extremely valuable. Just this week their information about signing up for T-Mobile before the program disappears saved me a lot of money.
I was able to sign up for the T-Mobile's $35 plan and decreased my Verizon plan by $35 and now I have the same amount of data and I also have the unlimited data for YouTube, etc.
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I cannot believe the depth of the information on this site. I am not easily impressed but this has got to be the most informative site on the web. I am very thankful that I found it!
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I like the fact that you guys are evaluating the latest hardware, probably saved me dollars and heartaches with one of your last evaluations. The cost to join is worth every penny.. Lance Hall
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My husband Jeff and I travel in our Fifth Wheel RV 5-6 months throughout the year. We purchased everything recommended and had terrific internet connectivity across the United States. We highly recommend The Mobile Internet Resource Center!!! They are Excellent!
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Hands down, the best resource for staying connected on the road comes from the folks over at Technomadia. Mobile Internet Resource Center is a membership site that provides full updates on every major change in the world of mobile data.
Need help getting your RV connected and ready to roll? This is the place to turn.
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My wife and I have recently retired and are hitting the road full time.
First off you have really helped us in our endeavors to stay connected while we start off on our adventures. We are definitely not tech savvy but you have really made it simple to understand and acquire the proper equipment to get started with and a little bit of insight of what we might need as we progress along.
We truly appreciate everything that you provide and definitely recommend you to everyone that we run into. Hopefully our paths will cross one day and we can thank you in person.
I have learned more than I could ever hope to imagine
In this fast changing technology they have provided breaking news and provided thought about what coming changes might mean to me. They have provided answers to specific questions and I have learned more than I could ever hope to imagine.
I highly recommend joining MIA along with the book and look forward to many years of continued knowledge as this technology continues to change.
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Coupon codes are only valid for new Mobile Internet Aficionado memberships ('Library Card Access' not eligible) and only one can be used per new membership.
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For the 2015 and later editions: Check the 'Going Further' or 'Ongoing Conversations' chapter at the back of the book for your $5 coupon code.
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This 44 video course is designed to help you make informed choices in assembling your ideal mobile internet setup to match your journey - from understanding your unique mobile internet needs, the challenges and the fundamentals of cellular, Wi-Fi and satellite.
There are quizzes to check your progress, an assessment worksheet and 15m private video sessions with our staff to answer questions.
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Video course is regularly $129 if you add it on later.
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We're pleased to offer a ton of free guides & videos here on the resource center that should give you a good feel for our style and depth of content. We encourage you to utlize the free stuff before joining and see if our content clicks with you.
It's our hope that by the time you decide to join, you've already received value from our resource center and want to support it.
However, if you find that in the first 30 days that becoming a member was not the right fit for you - just ask. We'll be happy to refund your full membership fee provided you've not utilized any vendor discounts.
More Information On the Membership Levels:
Our Library Card Holder level is the basic membership - it gets you access to just the exclusive member content.
It's meant for those who are more self paced with an existing understanding of this technology, don't desire interactive assistance and/or who have already assembled their setup and just want to stay up to date on the latest.
The benefits included are:
Exclusive Content - Guides, Reviews, Videos
We release most of our in-depth mobile internet guides, product reviews, guides, produced videos and field testing data to our paid members exclusively.
You'll also find extra tips and insider info embedded in some news articles, just for members.
Note: Library Card Holders however do not get access to our community interactive areas (forums, comments, groups, webinars) - which is where member sharing, troubleshooting, insider tips, in progress testing notes, unconfirmed breaking stories and alerts may be contained.
E-mail Notifications & Newsletters
Members get a specially written newsletter delivered by e-mail at least monthly (usually twice) summarizing new content on this site, and can optionally subscribe to get e-mail alerts when new stories are posted.
This means you don't have to pro-actively check in to see what's up if you don't want to - just check your mail, skim the newsletter and know if there's anything up that might impact you.
Our newsletters are more in-depth and comprehensive than our free public monthly summary, and might contain member exclusive insider tips (there may be links to threads in our forums with addition information - which are NOT included for Library Card Holders.)
Special Alerts - We issue special breaking news alerts if we hear of anything that might impact our members that needs to be acted on quickly - such as a limited time promotion, threats to popular solutions or substantial shifts in the industry.
Since this is our textbook - you get our book in PDF/ePub format, and any updates that come out during your membership term, at no extra charge.
And of course members get full access to our constantly updated content online that complements the book.
The MIA is our full membership level. It's most ideal for those starting their research to assemble their setup, are doing a total refresh or for those who want to tap into the wealth of knowledge a community can provide.
Library Card Access
You get all Library Card benefits, plus:
Mobile Internet 101
This structured course walks you through our guides - ramping you up from understanding your options, assessing your needs to selecting your plans & gear. Get a free preview of Section 1 in Our Classroom.
For visual learners or those just getting started - we also offer an optional Video Course that includes private video sessions with our staff.
Interactive Guidance
Got questions? Need help or guidance? MIAs have multiple venues for reaching our staff for more personalized feedback.
Ask in our member exclusive forums, in comments on articles & guides, in our private Facebook Group and during monthly casual Q&A video webinars.
We can't promise we'll always be able to answer your questions with a definitive solution, but we'll do our best to share what we know and point you in the right direction.
If there's a critical news topic going on, we may also host a special edition webinar.
Insider Aficionado Access
We constantly have our eyes out in multiple places to try keep ahead of the industry. When we're at liberty to do so, members get advanced notice - include tips we've picked up on, upcoming products, warnings of upcoming changes, breaking stories we're still researching and heads-up on limited time offerings.
Interact with other travelers who are also navigating keeping online while being mobile. Because together, we all have more experience and wisdom to share.
Vendor Discounts
While we are not sponsored by any vendor or manufacturer, several extend special discounts to our MIA members. They include: MobileMustHave, WiFiRanger, weBoost, TechnoRV, Speedify, Waveform, Powerful Signal, The RVITGuy, Mobile Internet Satellite, 5GStore and more.
Some vendors have asked us to not disclose the amounts in public. But our content can help you make informed decisions AND potentially save more than your membership cost.
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Our members also have access to purchase our Mobile. Connected. T-Shirt year round!
We do occasionally offer this shirt to the public, and release special editions too.
Membership FAQs & Policies
We used to offer one-on-one private mobile internet advising as an additional service when we first started out - and conducted nearly 150 sessions.
We discontinued those in 2017 when the demand far exceeded our ability to keep up, and we found many advising clients didn't understand their setup, and were not well prepared to adapt their setups as the industry rapidly advances.
After years of running this resource center and now having assisted thousands find their right solution - we firmly believe in our approach.
Which is each of us has to take the time to assess our needs, understand the challenges and research our own setup.
We feel this best prepares you for managing your setup when you're out there because you better understand it and the trade-offs - and as new gear & plans become available, you're better able to evaluate if it's time to switch out components.
So we focus on creating tools & resources to aid in your education and research - including keeping them all constantly updated as the options change.
And our staff is available for helping interactively guide our members in our forums, private group and webinars - and for our video classroom students, during private video sessions.
And besides - with all the work we do here to keep this resource center updated, staying on top of this rapidly evolving industry, producing videos, hosting our free Internet for RVers & Cruises group and the growing premium membership we're serving today - there just aren't enough spare hours or brain cells left to also dedicate the time & energy to private sessions to advise (it typically takes 2-3 hours per household - minimum).
We'd rather use those resources to help the many.
There's no denying it, this topic is technical. We do our best to break it down into non-tech terms and explain things that most should able to understand - but there's only so far we can go and still provide accurate information.
Before joining, we'd recommend you read through and view some of our free content (such as our Overview) - if you're able to get through that without too big of a headache, then you'll likely do well with our member content too. We strive to use similar language as you find there, and keep a full Glossary of terms integrated into every article.
If you're willing to be patient, do your research and pace yourself - you should be able to get through things.
In our classroom, we have each lesson marked as Basic, Intermediate or Advanced. We don't recommend approaching more advanced topics until you have a good foundation.
We are constantly on the look out for new products, and we do make an attempt to acquire a decent sampling of the promising options.
We overview most mobile specific gear with specs and general impressions, and members can leave reviews for each other. As a secondary mission here on the resource center, we also review a sampling of products as part of the in-depth content we create for MIA members.
However, it would be impossible to review every single product available. We tend to research the 'best in class' options and review those.
Remember our staff lives RV & boats too, and we have limited space for installing & storing gear - and our primary mission here is tracking the industry, keeping you up to date and providing member guidance.
We also don't just turn on a gadget and see if it works - we take it out to multiple locations and take readings over time. This could take months for us to get sufficient hands on experience to make an assessment and fully review a product. We do share our field testing data as we collect it with members.
Also, we do not cover most general mobile technology equipment - such as computers, TVs, streaming devices, smartphones, printers & tablets.
Our reviews are focused on consumer accessible equipment specific to mobile internet - such as dedicated hotspots, mobile routers, mobile cellular boosters, antennas and mobile WiFi repeating gear. We do not review equipment designed and marketed for stationary use and only dabble in enterprise level gear.
We know RVers and cruisers aren't the only ones who depend on the internet options we cover. Truckers, rural folks, nomads, travelers, storm chasers and cord-cutters also might rely on wireless connections instead of hardwired internet.
And we know many folks travel part time, and desire a setup that might be usable 'at home' and on the road. Or those living in mobile substrates might be stationary for long periods of time.
We absolutely welcome you to join (we even have off topic areas in our forums so you can connect with each other), but just know upfront we are very focused on mobile internet options. Our 'Top Picks', product listings and advice are specific to mobile situations and installation on an RV or boat.
Installation & equipment options for stationary homes, offices and trucks might have different considerations. And the approaches are different (such as routers that can provide Wi-Fi to a 2500 sq ft house is different than a mobile router that is designed to only cover 200 sq ft.)
Residential and stationary specific options are not our area of expertise and we do not focus on them. Mobile keeps our staff more than busy enough as is.
There is a heck of a lot of cross over however and you will learn a lot, and have access to our ongoing research & knowledge. We'll do our best to point out where the differences & considerations are when asked, but we make no promises that we'll be able to provide specific guidance for non-mobile use.
You will need to adapt what you learn here to apply to your own situation, and continue research on your own.
Researching your ideal mobile internet setup can take time, and ramping up to hit the road can be a chaotic period of time with a lot of distractions. Also, deals and specials come up that might be worthwhile snagging before they disappear (like sweet data plans) - and equipment shortages can mean longer shipping times.
So if mobile internet is going to be an important part of your mobile lifestyle, it can definitely make sense to join a few months before your anticipated departure date. Trying to rush the research, decisions & purchases for the last minute can lead to a compromised setup based on what you can quickly acquire.
We've had members join anywhere from 1 day to 2 years before hitting the road as part of their research process. 2-6 months however is probably a decent window to give you plenty of time to focus on this sometimes complex topic. But really, it depends on how much time you want to give yourself to come up to speed.
We do advise however - in general - not to purchase gear more than 2-3 month in advance of needing it - technology changes rapidly and quickly can become obsolete. But there may be exceptions to this from time to time.
We do have many members who join after hitting the road - when they've discovered that what they set out with just isn't meeting their needs. Or they just want to stay in the know of when it might be time to upgrade components of their system.
Whenever you decide to join, we look forward to assisting you.
We want to make sure you fully understand what your membership includes, and doesn't include. Here are some specific things that the MIA is not intended for:
- Substitute for reading / viewing the content - Membership is best utilized if you're committed to educating yourself and utilizing this resource in the self-help intention it is presented. Please utilize the in-depth guides, classrooms, resource collections & video content throughout the site. Also, keep in the know with your member alerts as this industry constantly changes.
- E-mail and/or private guidance - We are community centric - and ask members to post their questions in the Q&A forums or our private MIA Facebook group. This helps other members learn & chime in as well.
- In-depth Advising - Our focus is creating content that helps you understand your options. It's designed to be self-paced and self-help. To effectively provide that content, we have to stay constantly on top of the industry, analyzing news and updating applicable guides. While we welcome questions in our member areas as you pursue your research, we're unable to assess your unique needs and recommend a suitable solution. Having conducted private advising sessions in the past, we know this takes multiple hours of time to do right - which is time we just don't have available and nor is it included in our low membership costs.
- 24/7 Instant Responses - We're full time nomads ourselves - we don't just play them on the internet. That's how we know about this stuff. Our own time and bandwidth availability can vary quite a bit. and we do encourage our staff to have a work/life balance. We set aside time (and effort to have connectivity) to read the Q&A forums to respond to member questions. We will do our very best to respond to inquiries within a business day and we post a status alert when we know we'll have limited availability due to holidays, lack of signal (such as due to field testing excursions), etc. Major breaking events can also command our team's full attention.
- Technical Support - The MIA is not a substitute for the customer support provided by the manufacturer or vendor you purchased equipment from, or for the solutions you've implemented. We are however happy to help you troubleshoot a problem, confirm a problem or point you in the right direction to get help.
- General Mobile Tech - Many folks know us for our Technomadia.com blog, where we do write about our personal experiences with mobile tech (computers, tablets, solar, lithium batteries, GPS, lighting, apps, etc.). This site is specifically about mobile internet options & equipment - and we super focus on it here. It keeps us busy enough as is to stay on top of. However, our members do have access to our off topic discussion forum, and we do welcome questions there if you have them. We'll answer when we can.
- Commercial Use: Our content is intended for personal use only - not for helping related businesses target their products & services at RVers & boaters. If you would like our assistance in getting a market overview or in-depth feedback in your product development, please contact us. When we have time, we do offer business-to-business consulting services.
- Remember... membership is intended to provide education, a venue for asking questions to further your understanding for building your personal mobile internet setup. And keeping you keep up to date on the industry. We feel it's important that you understand the solutions you're purchasing, as when you're 'out there' - you may not be able to get online to get help setting up your equipment.
A membership is intended for personal use, and a single membership covers one nomadic household. If you are running a business from your nomadic household and are joining to work remotely yourself - we consider that covered under personal use.
At present time however we do not offer a commercial level membership - such as for an RV builder, tech consultant or other business wanting to offer guidance to multiple nomadic households.
If you both run a business that provides services to our audience and are working remotely yourself - please note our mobile internet vendors & company representative policy: We do not allow products or services we cover to have an official presence in member interactive places.
However, we recognize that some who represent mobile internet related products are also travelers themselves, and would like to join for their own personal interest. And we welcome this. We just ask that if you do represent a product that you refrain from posting anything that could be seen as marketing of the product. If you see a fellow member with a question about your product that you can answer, that is most appreciated - just please be transparent about your affiliation, and keep it supportive not 'selling'.
Our content is intended for personal use only - not for helping related businesses target their products & services at RVers & boaters. If you would like our assistance in getting a market overview or in-depth feedback in your product development, please contact us. When we have time, we do offer business-to-business consulting services.
For those considering joining us long term - we offer a discount for signing up for an auto renewing subscription. Ongoing support helps us better plan our resources around future funding.
The Annual Subscription option locks in the rate for as long as your payment profile stays active.
This option does require Paypal, as they manage the payment profile and future billing.
This is not a contract or commitment - you can cancel future renewals anytime from within your member account or PayPal.
Not sure if you're in for the long term? No problem - you can sign up for a year at a time, and elect to manually renew at then current rates. PayPal is not required for this option.
In order to keep prices as low as possible for everyone, we only offer a few select discounts:
- Purchasers of our book (find the discount code in the back)
- Members of partnered clubs, including Escapees/ Xscapers, RVillage Gold and Boondockers Welcome (check your membership discounts there)
- Readers of some select awesome bloggers who are friends of the resource center.
Please note our coupon code policy - only one coupon per member, and discounts are only valid for the first year of a full MIA membership (other membership levels not included.)


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I agree with the above except I am a little more 'forgiving' about the 'untie' interpretation. As a Christian I am assured the Bible makes it very clear those we do not forgive we retain a hold over. It is only when we release forgivness that we release that person from our binding hold into God's hands of mercy and Grace. In this sense we release people when we forgive, and 'untie' will do for me. It's a good picture language demonstration of the power of forgivness. Hence the central importance of total forgiveness of others in Christian teaching. e.g. even in the Prayer it is a central issue, and many scriptures. God bless.
Michael King:
Remember that forgiving also releases the "forgivers" from ties of resentment and hatred that tie them to the those who have wronged them. In a sense we are released when we forgive, regardless of what is released in the forgiven….
Forgiveness is a great subject until it comes to PERSONALLY forgiving (thoroughly giving without reservation). Functionally, forgiveness unties us from the past and others from us but it is more than that. Forgiveness is thoroughly giving. i.e. It is absorbing the loss without reservation; hence, "giving without reservation." God made us all to need others and be dependent upon each other. Unforgiveness ties us together in unhealthy (more depression after open heart surgeries, lower quality of life, etc.) psychological ways. Forgiveness not only sets others free and us… it not only absorbs the loss (which if it stopped here it would sound of victimization… it gives completely without reservation. It takes the initiative and gives. Now anyone reading this should begin to feel unable to do this when it comes to anything really worth the term. That is why we need to be forgiven ourselves which becomes the inspiration and power to forgive as we have been forgiven.
Lisa Stevenson:
Although I am a fan of word studies, and in general I think people ought to do more of them before they go recklessly slinging terminology; in this case it seems that if one finds it exceedingly necessary to research the fine nuances of a word for a concept such as "forgiveness" maybe one is not emotionally or spiritually prepared to consider the option of forgiving. After all, can you have reservations about "giving without reservation?" Just saying…
Charlie Nunzio:
Here's a quote attributed to Lewis B. Smedes that speaks to Mike King's comment: "To forgive is to set a prisoner free and to discover that the prisoner was you."
My two cents: forgiveness is NOT a feeling but a behavior. It is a choice to act in a certain way toward someone who hurt you. You need not forget the hurt, but you can choose to forgive.
Apu Agarwal:
NOPE…none of the above…The word forgive means to "give as before". In the example of the prisoner, it would mean to give the prisoner as he had it before…freedom ("free" to set "domicile" where desired "aka no restrictions in movement/locomotion"). In the personal sense in human interactions, forgiving a person is to "give" yourself to further interactions with the involved person in the same manner as you had "before" the occurrence of the "incident" that caused you grief. This does mean "releasing" the other person and giving them freedom to exist in your space and in interactions with you without the presence of the offending incidence in the space between you. What is interesting is that the word forget similarly means that you "get" it as before…the offending incidence no longer exists in your personal space, let alone in the interactive space between you and the other person.
I agree with Apu that forgive is to give as before, meaning perhaps, give attention too "as before", give your love "as before" It is here that I would like to add something new to the understanding of forgiving. If we can "fore"-give this could be seen as pre-forgiveness and is a much easier way to release unnecessary stress. In scripture it says that a person should forgive seventy times seven in one day and this leads me to see that we should be in a pre-forgiveness state of being (ready willing and able) Its how I live my life and you can bet I experience less stress than the average person, less heartache and I never get into "unnecessary" arguments.
I'll have to concur with Apu and Richard. Sometimes it helps not to dig too deeply if we want the true meaning of a word – that is if we truly intend to practice what we're researching.
To for-give simply means to give before – to let go ahead of time.
This fits with what Jesus said about forgiving an offense seventy times seven. If we take this admonition in the traditional sense it would mean we'd have to let go of an offense 490 times. That not only sounds extremely stressful, it seems very unrealistic.
It would be much more realistic to take Jesus' admonition on forgiveness as simply meaning; "not to take offense at all."
The real lesson in forgiving an offensive person 500 times is that my heart learns not to take offense in the first place.
In other words, to forgive in its true sense means not to take up an offense, period.
Whether we realize it or not, the stress and the trauma that an offense has upon us is due entirely to our taking exception to what was done to us or to someone we love or something we value. If we didn't take an offense there would be nothing to "forgive."
When we refuse to take offense – we have in all truth fore-given our offender. If we let go ahead of time there is nothing to forgive after the fact. When we fail to "fore-give" we are left with the fallout of irreconsilable differences.
This definition is much closer to the meaning of the Greek word "aphiemi" used in the original text, which means "to let go, forsake, lay aside, leave alone, put away, omit."
"Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive (aphiemi) him? As many as seven times? Jesus said to him, "I do not say to you seven times, but seventy times seven….And out of pity for him the lord of that servant released him and forgave (aphiemi) him the debt."
To put it simply – to forgive simply means to not take offense – to refuse to take to account, to let go of an offense ahead of time, to pre-omit the sin – to fore-give. If we keep it simple we can practice it – without the stress of having to deal with the traumatic after effects!
To fore-give is to be one who never takes offence at all
It is very interesting to read all of the above entries in my quest to understand the word, concept and act of forgiveness. I am looking at the word 'for-' as a prefix (i.e. away, off, apart), as in not receiving what is given. That is,to'forgo' or decline the 'gift'. This idea is reflected in a story I heard about the Buddha, when he told someone that he refused to accept their gift of anger. I think we can do this after the event in our imagination as well.
if you would like a really in-depth look at forgiveness, try here –
"Forgive" is untie in Aramaic/Syriac, "shbag", that's where your friend got that "forgive" means untie. But it only means so in Aramaic. The root of the word in English is well explained above as "per-donare"!
Thank you for your two cents!… They were very beneficial!
Though not a true root of forgive, my working definition has become "to not judge in the first place". If I don't judge, there is nothing for me to forgive. That's easier said than done using a mind that constantly scans the world using a "friend or foe" filter. My penny…
Henriette Verschuren:
Very beautiful
Eugene Ryan:
It seems to me that a lot of comments above are confusing the root origins of the word and their religious teaching on the word. The question was about the roots and origin and was answered. How that word is used in religion teachings is irrelevant as a comment.
No need to take offence, Eugene. if forgiveness isn't a spiritual concept, I dont know what is.
Bob Turrou:
First of all, I loved the answers. Together they were a chapter on a book on forgiveness.
Forgiveness as described in A Course in Miracles is realizing that what you thought someone did to you never really happened in the first place. How is that possible? Never really happened?
It's in how you define "real." It defines it in this way:
Nothing real can be threatened.
Nothing unreal exists.
Herein lies the peace of God.
Does unforgiveness make you happy? Not me. What does make me happy? Forgiving people for doing things that don't matter in the least in terms of eternity…they don't even exist in those terms.
Pardon. Keep it simple.
Joe P:
I like Jane's and the Detective's take on it.
The question was about the anatomy of an English word.
The relationship between forget, forgo, and forgive helps.
I thank you all for this conversation. "Shbag" is a new one for me.
Anne Christine: can you share a link to the for- root you used? I can't find it anywhere.
Kris K:
Since it seems that this conversation has meandered away from the strict etymological discussion I would like to offer these thoughts on forgiveness.
Forgiveness is not about somehow magically undoing the pain. Forgiveness is about releasing the expectation that the person who hurt you owes you anything. By forgiving you are releasing the expectation that someone else is going to fix the hurt you feel inside. You are releasing any debt to you and you are saying "You don't owe me anything. I don't want anything from you." The remaining pain is yours now. You can process it however you like. You can hold onto it and let it grow to consume you. You can keep it in a dark corner of your soul to bring out whenever his name is mentioned or someone crosses the street that looks like her. Or you can use the pain as a key to unlock the part of you that is hidden behind the pain. The key will open a part of you that holds a beautiful need. And once found, nurturing the beautiful need will heal you. Forgiveness will not heal the pain but it is a necessary first step.
Thank you for shining light on this… I love studying the evolution of words, actually it's a source of frustration & sadness sometimes, but fascinating. I was bummed out by this articles explanation- but your comment cheered me up. I'm feeling a little silly about caing so much– so I'll stop writing now :)
Biblically speaking its basic meaning is to clear all debt— It's one of MANY financial terms used in bible stories. So by noticing the frequency of this sort of money/value reference, we can realize what it's intended meaning was from the original authors. God is LOVE- and LOVE can & will clear all your debts— fix everything that's broken, replace what's lost etc. but the on,u way to get that is thru TRUTH (Jesus says he is truth) and TRUTH always leads to ultimate freedom, understanding etc- which clears all emotional/spiritual debts. Blah blah blah If we all lived in our truth & allowed others to do the same- we would be free. By the way the greatest truth I know of at this moment is: God created us all>>> We are all created beings, genetics/DNA reacting to unchosen environments – No one creates themselves, until they become aware of this truth & begun interacting with their creator THRU TRUTH, and then have influence on something's. God takes all the glory AND all the blame, for everything.
Its origins reach far further back than this latin interpretation if I recall an Egyptian pharoah some four thousand years BC was noted for his forgiving nature, Ramases.
Etymology allows us to study the origin of a word to gain insight into that word. The very reason etymology exists is that words and their meanings by nature change over time and use. Words evolve. The reasoning for this study therefore, shouldn't be to disprove the comment but to understand how it came about. In that vein the the Word-Detective did a great job!
In Aramaic, the word Forgive meant "to untie a knot"- as in release the negative tie to someone. This is from the Biblical scholar at the Neuropa Institute inGeorgia. I often lecture on the relationship between forgiveness in traumatic grief and resilience.
Thanks for the study on forgive. I thought the untie story seemed implausible. Your use of the phrase, 'ties that bind', raised an eyebrow though. the "tie that binds" is usually a positive thought. As in, "Blessed be the tie that binds".
Thanks for your addition, Gail. That brings the discussion full circle. The link between ancient and modern languages, and the psycho-social and spiritual processes of forgiveness to its language is fascinating. I've always thought of language as reflecting a cultures shared understandings and logic. But that may be sometimes expecting too much of it, i suppose. Cheers.
In addition there is the French saying that may indicate the path to forgiveness. 'Tout comprendre, c'est tout pardonner.'Or to understand all, is to forgive all. Interesting similarity between 'pardonner' and 'per-donare' no?
Thank you for an interesting discussion. My addition is the Buddhist proverb:
When you pick up a hot coal to throw at someone, it is your hand that gets burned.
Kathleen Lieberman:
I had a Rabbi explain to me that forgivness required the correcting of the error. When I ask for forivness I am asking that the previous wrongful act be forgotten because the error was now corrected. I thought this made more constructive and positive logic than anything I heard before in a theological review. In the 'Our Father' we ask tha our our trespasses be forgotten as we forget others'. It makes good logic that we be cognizant of our errors and offenses against others to achieve the desired goal of Goodwill towards Men.
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Rav Dov Ephraim:
The Aramaic root "sh.b.q" has the basic meaning of "let go," "leave behind," or even "abandon" (corresponding to the Hebrew "'a.z.b"). It can mean "forgive" in the sense of leaving the matter behind. (As such, it can also mean "divorce.") "Untie" isn't really a good translation.
Daniel Pryor:
I can certainly see "forgive" linked with "untie." The word seems always to be used in connection with relief from debt or penalty.
However, I came to this site hoping to find an answer to why the English have the prefix "for" ahead of the word "give." Forth give? Or, is the prefix "for" intended to describe the act of overlooking the fault (as "Fore" in golf describes the arch needed to overfly an obstacle). Then why the word root "give"? My hunch is that the whole reason for overlooking the fault assumes that the fault stands as a barrier to the act of giving, so that the fault must be overlooked in order for the giving to take place. This idea seems more plausible to me, in light of the fact that the need of forgiving is often accompanied with the need of "forgetting." (giving and getting) I seem to have hit a wall though. I can't find any real etiology for the terms.
This is true, I believe written on this idea of "forgive and forget" concentrating on the root words give and get, or give and receive. (www.christaincounselorsforum.com.) The prefix "for" may be the same as "Fore" in golf, which describes the arch of the ball required to overcome an obstacle.I think that is very close. It's not very different from what you are saying. But in either case, what is implied is that there exists a relationship of giving and receiving. Then an offense occurs. To forgive and forget (or for-receive) is to overcome the offense and to continue giving and receiving. Subsequently, the experience of feeling forgiven, can only happen in the context of a giving/receiving relationship.
Dan Riley V:
I find it funny how those who began to argue with knowledge presented nothing more than their own, however educated/philosophical they may be, opinion. I believe we came here for factual research. But since we're adding opinions, the whole reason I sought further insight is because deep down, I believe it means to give in advance. While I understand that would likely require an 'e'between the 'r' and the 'g', respectively, but given thought, at least from a Christian perspective, this makes some sense. I'm reminded of the term "pay it forward". Thank you, all, for the insight.
Jan Campbell:
Having read all the above, I have come to believe that forgiveness grings great peace and more so if i do not be to arrogant to take umbridge in the first place
In terms of the original question, while the English root may not mean "untie", it may depend on the context of what the friend heard/meant. They may have used the English word but been referring to a word translated as 'forgive', with the original language word meaning 'untie'. That sounds quite plausible.
Could it be they were referring to the Greek afesis? It has the idea of letting go and of sending away. Sorry my Greek is not so good