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Tonight's lineup
As you can imagine, much of today has been spent planning for next week's onslaught of media that is following the home run chase. There was an interesting article on SI.com about those covering it, many of whom we'll see next week en masse. Among the many things we have to take into consideration is where all these people will park, where they'll sit, where all the photographers will shoot from, etc.
And we're hoping to see some of you at the Sleepover tonight at Dodger Stadium. The game will be on DodgerVision, with this lineup:
Furcal, SS
Pierre, CF
Loney, 1B
Kent, 2B (five career homers off Fogg, tied for his most against any pitcher)
Gonzo, LF
Nomar, 3B
Ethier, RF
Lieberthal, C
Tomko, P
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Yay, Martin gets a day off…we can stop talking about it now. Also, the Phillies have traded for Iguchi from the White Sox to replace Utley.
Saw on the NY Post LAD are looking at Scott Proctor
Alex – Where did you pull that trade from? I want to read about it
Darn, this puts the phils back in the playoff hunt, kinda.
Phillies acquired second baseman Tadahito Iguchi from the White Sox for RHP Michael Dubee.
its on mlbtraderumors.com… i wonder if we could use proctor as a starter. crazy idea i know…
Anybody here think Nomar should be batting eight or nine in tonight's lineup? Lieberthal can get things going with the bat most of the time.
Ok finally Martin gets a day off!!! but do you think its a good choice to take it now?? are will they all so give him Sunday as well so he can have todays off with Monday being no game????
*also* and sorry menat to write 2 days off (instead of todays)
I'm willing to do that Cheer!
Personally, I think they should have waited till Sunday to rest him to give him 72 hours off. But, with tonight off he gets 48 hours to rest his body (Thursday night until Saturday night). So, Martin will now play both tomorrow and Sunday and get Monday off. So he'll get 48 hours and then about 54 hours off after the Sunday afternoon game until the Bonds express rolls into the Ravine Tuesday night. So, actually if you think about it that way he'll get more time off this way…
Rosenthal reports that Loney/Ethier/Meloan for Teixeira/Benoit has been proposed.
Terrible, terrible idea.
and then rosenthal wakes up realizes tomko/lurch are our 4-5 starters, and realizes we have more pressing needs?
UGH!!!!!, can the trade deadline please pass already???
where's that trade rumor from momo?
Under the article about Teixeira and the Braves.
Pitcher's spot
I gotta say i like how that looks.
before you start bashing me… I really do like our kids, Loney included. I just like Tex more than Loney and Kemp more than Ethier. That's my logic for liking the rumored trade.
Yeah, until he leaves after next season and we've lost Loney forever…untouchable, I still don't understand how this 'rumor' is still out there…
1+ year of Teixeira is NOT worth 5+ years of Loney/Ethier/Meloan. No way.
that's all fine and great DD, until you realize that we'll be paying the rest of his salary this year, then about 12 million in arb next year, and then he'll be gone. Oh yeah, and we'll have to find another 4th outfielder (someone who won't be as good as Ethier I'm sure).
ok the trade I heard just a few minutes ago on kfwb by A Martinez was that KC wants La Roche for Dotel straight up. Martinez said if it were up to him it would be a done deal.
glad Martinez aint our GM. What a rip off that would be. Where's KC going to play him? LF? 1st?
It's not even CLOSE!
5 years of Loney
5 years of Ethier
6+ years of Meloan (he's not even on the 40 man roster)
14 months of Texiera
The Angels can give up Kotchman etc…they can have Texiera, or the Braves for Saltalamacchia etc…stupid trade rumor…
WOW… no way! thats 10 times worse than Hu or Abreu… I've lost all respect for A Martinez now.
how about Betemit for Dotel straight up
LaRoche for Dotel!!!!
Excuse me while a puke for the next 3 hours!
haha jspelk… that makes no sense from either side of the deal. What's A Mart thinking?
Martinez is a fool.
I've lost all respect for A Martinez…
I'd be up for meat and hernandez but thats about it.
knowing ned he's probably going to Tampa Bay for Ty Wiggington 😉
On Tex, he's a star. The home/road splits worry me a little, but there's little doubt in my mind that he's a proven big league star. My stance has always been that if your gonna pay money or talent for players, pay for stars. We'll have money to pay him, so if we want to keep him I am sure we can, although it would be very pricey, and would take us out of the running for any A-Rod deal. And of course… its true there's no guarantee that he'll sign with us. To be clear, I am not 100% for a Tex deal, more like 60-65%. I like the financial flexibility that having the kids around long term would provide us. It's dicey, and i think i am happy either way. Tex trade or no tex trade. I just don't want us trading top tier blue chip prospects for relievers. I think that would be far worse than any Tex deal.
Oh you know Ned is all over Ty Wiggy jspelk… that's his style.
In all seriousness, the Dodgers are better off standing pat.
This trade market is just like the free agent market was last winter, completely Seller Friendly.
Just like happened to most buyers during the off-season (uhum…Colletti), buyers at the trade deadline will be robbed blind. The only difference is that instead of costing us $ its gonna cost us potential studs like LaRoche, Loney, Kemp, Kershaw, ect.
It's simply not smart to buy in this type of market atmosphere. Its really no coincidence those guys down in San Diego decided to sell when they are in the middle of tight race. Those boys know what they're doing.
Heading into last year laroche was rated as a higher prospect than Kemp, Loney, Martin, Ethier by everyone in baseball. In our system only Bills was rated higher.
Would A trade one of those guys for a freaking reliver with more arm issues than Gagne?
I was on tough as Nomar as anyone here but jeez guys since the AS break:
.326 .383 .488 .871
we'd be better of if we called up Meloan and just went forward with the team we hvae now. Maybe even give LaRoche another look.
I'll just say Nomar is the least of our concerns right now, he's been very solid lately.
well even if you want to go the route of well, nomar will be playing 3rd so theres no room for laroche anyways, he ought to be turned around for a quality starter, not a reliever.
Agreed, if we called up Meloan we'd immediately be a better team than ANYTHING we'd have to give up to get better. If we trade Betemit, LaRoche would be called up. Personally I just think Ned is testing the waters, to see what's available and for how much. He'd be an idiot not to look into the Texiera situation, but to trade for him for what is being asked for is beyond insane. There's nothing wrong with looking, just so long as you don't touch! DON'T TOUCH NED, DON'T TOUCH!
also if we did do this utterly stupid deal, we'd have all but 2 position players making 7 million or more per year. Thats disgusting. Good teams win by mixing stars getting paid like stars with cheap young talent. This trade would tip us in the direction of the yanks and would without a doubt set us back.
Before this season Baseball Prospectus ranked Andy LaRoche the 20th best prospect in baseball. To trade that for a reliever would be absurd, especially when our 3B situation isn't close to 100% settled yet.
As much as Teixeira is a top notch first baseman, he hasn't been healthy this season, he plays in a hitter friendly park, and he is going to want a butt load of money. I think we need to keep our nucleus of young kids and add an arm or a top notch third baseman. Sorry, but Nomar and Betemit don't cut it.
Sorry, but Nomar and Betemit don't cut it.
are you talking defensively?
On offense since July 1 our two third baseman are doing this. Go find me someone not named A-rod doing this at 3b
.400 .514 .700 1.214
.309 .382 .412 .793
Laroche will be every bit as good as Martin, Kemp and Loney next year or the year after.
I like Max's stance. Call up Meloan and give LaRoche another look.
I agree, Meloan and LaRoche can help us now.
Where is LaRoche going to play?
Meloan & La Roche will be sept call ups hopefully they'll come up even sooner.
Padres acquired outfielder Scott Hairston from the Diamondbacks for RHP Leo Rosa
I enjoyed the article by Chris Ballard of SI on the HR record chase. This is the second one for me. I wasn't born yet when Ruth set the record. I was a happily married man with a family when Aaron broke it. Now I'm pushing 70, Retire, divorce and I think a widower(my ex-wife passed on about 10yrs after the divorce). I personally think that it is an important event. I'm disapointed, of course, that it is a Giant that will hold the record, BUT I'll honor the record when it is accomplished, asterisk or no asterisk. What ever the final total is that will be the figure for A-Rod and other to shoot for. As for last night's game which ended up a typical close Dodger victory, games I love AFTER THE'RE OVER. BUT I think from now on I'm going to call Little "HOOKLESS". I am a great believer in the 100 pitch count but I don't think you should leave a pitcher in when the other team is using him for batting practice even after "ONLY" 81 pitchers. So it's Hookless Little. LET'S GO TOMKO. COM'ON DODGERS!!!!
we had room to have Abreu on the team, why not make room for LaRoche. Drop Ramon Martinez, add LaRoche. Play Meat as primary SS/2B backup and give Kent and Furcal rest every now and then. Rotate LaRoche, Meat, and Nomar at 3rd. Give LaRoche as many pinch hit opps as possible. Drop Hernandez and add Meloan.
"Saw on the NY Post LAD are looking at Scott Proctor"
I feel like punching something!!!
After thinking it over some, I'm starting warm up to the Teixeira trade idea. Maybe (and this is a huge maybe) he will enjoy playing here enough to seriously consider re-signing after 2008. We could easily offer $100 million and by that time he'd have familiarity with L.A.
I still HATE the idea of giving up a great young pitcher like Meloan.
Stop fooling yourselves…he's a Boras client, he's going to leave and go to the highest bidder. I'm starting to feel ill that we're still talking about this even though the L.A Times hasn't mentioned anything about us involved whatsoever. It's not going to happen…
5 years of Loney
5 years of Ethier
6+ years of Meloan (he's not even on the 40 man roster)
14 months of Texiera
Why couldn't the Dodgers be the highest bidder? Lots of contracts will be off the books by then.
Living on the East Coast I really have to get into it to keep up with the Dodger farm clubs. I just don't have the time to make the effort. The only information I get is from this website and mostly from you guys. It's nice to hear that LaRoche is doing so well and this kid Jon Meloan and Kershaw must be sansational. I really can't wait to see them. I just hope it's in Dodger Blue. I remember Scully raving about the Jacksonville 5.
Ok, so the proposed deal:
5 years of Loney
5 years of Ethier
6+ years of Meloan (he's not even on the 40 man roster)
That equals a little over 1 million dollars a year for the next 2-3 years, then arbitration for the final three seasons before free agency.
14 Months of Texiera
He's going into his final year of arbitration which he will command over ten million dollars for 2008. He's making nine million this season. Also, if we somehow bid the highest he's going to command at the very least 120 million dollars for seven years. I highly disagree with this 'rumored' trade and I can't believe I'm talking about this trade that's just not going to happen. It's a waste of all our time…
In regards to Proctor, I don't buy anything in the N.Y Post. Any paper that has A-Rod with a blonde as their front page story…sorry I'll find my news from other sources.
Instead of going after texiera we should go after Tori Hunter.
Brad Penny .293/.326/.390
Juan Pierre .284/.316/.337
We would be running away with the west if he was in our lineup compared to JP. He has as many HR as Pierre has RBI
i really doubt mccourt is sprining for a big pay day anytime soon. he spent (some would say wasted) a great deal of money in the offseason and our payroll is already 100 milllion plus. How much higher would you like it to go? I know its not our money who cares right, but it is a factor. Also, I don't think this deal would be good for team chemistry/morale at all, something that has been given importance by managment… do you?
Any news on D Lowe yet?
I can't wait for the trade deadline to pass. For me no trade for the kids will be OK so I just take what comes. I think Alex is right about Mark Texiera because his agent is Boras. Texiera won't be looking for a good long term home. He will be looking for a big, big, long term contract. Three top kids for him is a no go even though Benoit is also included. Having said that, I think some prospects are at risk of being traded. – Abreu, Hu, Meloan, LaRoche. Nomar and Kent probably will be on board again next year. Can't hold both Hu and Abreu for another year. One perhaps. Meloan is a closer in waiting – we have Broxton already in waiting. As Abreu and Hu are backed up, so is LaRoche. If we were further down in the standings the kids would be more safely in the fold. As it is a trip to the post season blurs the picture for them. Perhaps Ned can keep the kids who are on the Dodgers or close by using lower level prospects. – Josh Bell, Blake Dewitt, Delwyn Young, young pitchers. Protect Kershaw, MacDonald, Elbert(injured)
Tarp is out on the field in Denver, there is a potential 3-4 hour window of no rain, so the game may still take place tonight. But, it's going to be a lot like last night all over again.
astros are up 1-0 in the first
BTW, Lowe's injury is what they're calling hip irritation, it's unknown if he'll miss his next start. But, it's not his groin, at least not directly so we've dodged two bullets in two days. Both Penny and Lowe were seen working out today. This is according to KFWB about 15 minutes ago.
When was the last time the Dodgers wee rained out?
That's (were)
If the're going to call it I hope it's sooner than later, there are things I could do. But I hope the game is played we're having enough trouble with our starting pitching lately, this could drive them really off track.
The Dodgers have acquired pitchers Octavio Dotel and Zach Greinke from Kansas City for Jonathan MeLoan and Delwyn Young. To make room on the roster for Dotel and Greinke the Dodgers have released Roberto Hernandez and designated DJ Houlton for assignment.
To DD: Have you seen Betemit field? You want to risk close-late games with him at second or short? Absurd.
To others:Ty Wiggington is a solid 2nd tier player having a fine season.He always plays hard, as tough as Martin. If we had him all year we wouldn't have a 3B problem and where would Nomar and Loney be? But he makes too much money to replace Saenz which is what he would do on the Dodgers.But if you were making fun of him or Ned you're wrong.
Actually at this stage of the what 17 days without a break, I think it would be nice for a rain out.
Gives the relivers another day of rest, pushes the starters all back a day, which means an extra day of rest for Lowe, a day for Penny and a day for Wolfe to get some more time in the minors.
I think a rain-out could be quite beneficial.
#1 rad blue I just went to ESPN's site and could find no news of a trade like you just mentioned.
#2 Miketink, are you kidding? Betemit is a superior fielder at both 3B and SS and I would suspect is as good if not better then Kent at 2B. Geeesh.
obviously you didn't watch betemit play second last night….cheap shot i know, but still. dude is better off at 3rd.
During this rain out I just posted to Tommy Lasrda's blog. I'm the only one there com'on you oldies go talk to him he must be lonely. You youngies who don't remember him. Ya really miss sumptin'.
at this stage of Kents career I think your right paulg57
Oh sorry I mean RAIN (DELAY)
You are correct jspelk. Very few games get through to the Idaho air.
I live vicariously through this board for most of the info on the Dodgers.
Funny, for years it was The Sporting News, and now it's the internet.
Game postponed, no make-up date announced, so Martin gets a day off and yet won't have to miss a game. My guess is they'll schedule a doubleheader for the next time we come to Denver, September 18-20.
Good deal for us, the roster will be expanded in September and we can play a double header easier then.
See ya later.
Jspelk: not a cheap shot at all.I love these people who think "words" like geeesh settle the matter. If Betemit could field well enough to play ss everyday he'd still be on Atlanta. At 2nd he is truly incompetent. He does not field at the level of a ML utility inf. and if we don't have such a player he will cost us games but I don't think management is so foolish.
I do agree with the geeesh man the we will benefit by being rained out tonight.
I believe the trade rumor above is a hoax in that I don't think that's enough to get those 2 KC pitchers.
I am disappointed about the rainout, but only because I miss baseball.
It's great–a relief for our pitching. We can move all of our starters back a day, and our relievers get a day off. Martin gets a rest. This is good.
Can anyone confirm the post by radbluefan51 about the trade for Dotel and Greinke. It seems feasible, but questionable. Giving up Meloan is a bit risky, but I could see it. Giving up Delwyn Young makes sense because there does not seem to be room for him, and he is out of options after this year (I think). DFA'ing Houlton does not make sense. He has options left, so the only reason to DFA him is to make room on the 40-man roster. We would need two spots. But Young is/was on the 40-man roster, and by releasing Hernandez, that makes room for the other. So I could see optioning Houlton back to Las Vegas, but not DFA'ing him.
Radbluefan gave himself away when he said designated Houlton for assignment, he still has options…it's fake
what happens with the guys at the sleep over now with the rain out? I hope they don't show them taht horrible Sandlot 2 or 3 movie the dodger were promoting the **** out of. If you're going to play a Sandlot movie play the orginal!
as much as Nomar as "turned it around" since the break I'd bet LaRoche would out produce him the rest of the season.
im suprised no one blamed GRADY for the rain-out yet….what a shock 🙂
I've been looking at DodgerDude's ongoing rumors about Texiera. First, I should say what I've been saying for a while–I just don't believe it. Rosenthal has made conflicting reports, and says that the Dodgers have offered Loney, Ethier and Meloan. The only other person flogging that trade is Evan Grant and the goons at the Dallas Morning News. I think they just don't like Tex, since they are so hot for Loney.
It's an anonymous source, and I am guessing that it is once again coming from Daniels. Frankly, turning down Loney, Ethier and Meloan for Tex and Benoit would be sort of silly for the Rangers unless–and this is the key–they could find a way to get the bidding up. And insisting that the deal include Kershaw makes no sense. Hey, I'm optimistic about Kershaw too, but he's still in A-Ball. Too much can happen. Meanwhile, Meloan is by all accounts actually ready, and still not on the 40-man roster (meaning he's not using up options).
Here's the other thing–no one in LA is writing about a trade of Loney, and Ned has, while not ruling anything out, repeatedly said it would have to be a knock out. Tex is good, but as I explain below, no knock-out. So why would Dodger sources give tips to a national reporter and Dallas reporters, but not to their local guys??? I mean, this would be pretty big news in LA, and yet there is almost not a peep from the Dodger beat writers. I have not heard it on Dodgers Live, or Dodger Talk. If this were out there, wouldn't ever reporter that covers the Dodgers be hounding Colletti about dangling out not one but two of their young core? It does not make sense.
However, it DOES make sense for Daniels to CLAIM that the Dodgers have offered Loney, Ethier, and Meloan. By trying to drum up the interest in him, Daniels could get other teams to raise their bids for Texiera. If the Braves are willing to part with Saltalamcchia (who is much more valuable as a catcher than a first baseman, and they already have McCann), it's a great pick-up for the Rangers. And they are more likely to drive up the price of bidders if they keep throwing out that other teams are making big offers. I don't know if the Braves are offering Salty, or the Angels offering Kotchman, either. Someone is clearly in play for Tex, and I don't know enough about the other teams (except for the fact that the Braves have two possible star catchers, and no star first baseman) to know if these are real or designed to drive up the price of Tex, but I am firmly convinced that the Loney rumors are trumped up.
Yes, DodgerDude, I realize that this is reading between the lines, but you have to do it. Reporters have human instincts, and GMs do, and they can manipulate information to their advantage. And that's what I think is going on here.
The other reason is that I don't see such a trade making sense. I can see why you like Texiera DodgerDude (and, since I have a couple of young nephews who like baseball and live near Dallas, I hope that the Rangers don't trade him, because he'd be a great guy for them to root for). But while he's good, he's not necessarily great, and by no means is it clear that he's better than Loney–in fact, Loney may already be better.
Jungar posted the home road splits. Tex plays great in Arlington, not as well elsewhere. Dodger Stadium is a notorious pitchers park, and it's safe to assume that Tex's home production would go down.
But even if it is the same, look at Loney's home/road splits. Loney does much better on the road. So while it would be assumed that Loney would improve away from Dodger Stadium, it's fair to assume that a player with a higher road average will improve his home average just by becoming used to the park.
It's also against the philosophy that Colletti has shown. Some people have disliked moves to get veterans who can fill holes, and have blocked kids. But Colletti has almost always gotten older veterans and clubhouse leaders. Tex is a young guy. Colletti has not traded any kid who has been central to the team's situation, and Loney clearly is. And, as everyone has pointed out, Tex has Borass as an agent, and can go to the market after 2008. Loney is not eligible for antoher 5 years–that's a lot of money to save for a lot of other contracts, and for a player that ranges from almost as good to somewhat better.
Throw in Ethier, and it makes less sense. That means Kemp is the starting Right Fielder full time. I could see that–Kemp certainly is hitting, but we got Gonzo in the off-season because we were not ready for that. Also, who gives Gonzo a day off? We only have 4 outfielders? And who starts in left field next spring.
Anyway, the point is that we should definitely keep Loney and not get Tex (my prediction, by the way, is that history will prove Loney the better player, though they will be close). And I just don't believe it's under serious consideration.
So, sorry for the long post. But here's confirmation for my theory from Tony Jackson, via Dodger Thoughts:
"There is NO WAY the Dodgers proposed that deal. NO WAY."
Check out comment #5
It's possible that Ken Rosenthal knows more about the Dodgers than a pretty good sports writer that covers them every day. But to quote Wayne and Garth, it's also possible that monkey's might fly out of my butt.
well i do agree with you in that, watching the Braves game right now, they are talking a lot about this trade. None of our annoucers have said anything about this, maybe its not their style…but still.
no trades.
If we finish this season with LaRoche, Kemp, Billingsley, Loney and Either i'd consider it a successful season regarless of how we finish the season. Of course playoffs and a world series would be nice as well but I'd rather keep playesr that could help us contend for 5-10 years then trade them away for guys who will only help us contend for 1 or 2.
I hope this will help:The Dodgers have only 39 players on their 40-man roster;in addition we have at least 3 if not 6 players on the 40-man who could be placed on the 60-day DL where they don't count on the 40-man.
Meloan and Young are not enough just for Greinke.
The problem as I see it in my eyes, and my eyes only, is that currently the Dodgers have a feel about them like I have not seen since the days of Garvey, Lopes, Cey, Buckner, et al.
I love that we have so much home grown talent, and in the day of free agency and players moving around from year to year, I think it's terrific that we potentially have the ability to have the same players on the roster for several years to come.
This is like the old days in the new millineum.
I just love it and don't want to trade any of our super talent.
With that said I would like to see at least a relief pitcher come on board and perhaps bring up Meloan to start.
Other then that if no trades are made, then Lurch goes to the bullpen and some of the LV guys get the chance to start/relieve.
Just don't trade the future for a few minutes of pleasure.
Regarding Barry Bonds and the Giants visiting next week, I would like to pose a hypothetical question just to see what people think about it. If the Bochy plays Bonds, should we give him the opportunity to even attempt tying (or breaking) the record? I suggest intentionally walking (or beaning) Bonds each time he steps to the plate as a gesture of disapproval. I don't want to hurt Barry, but I would hate to see any Dodger pitcher surrender the tying/record-breaking home run, especially considering the circumstances surrounding the suspicions of steroid use. Of course, Barry didn't hit our pitchers at all when we visited SF last series, and so I could definitely understand pitching to him. But what if someone makes a mistake and 755/756 lands in the Right Field Pavilion? I think not pitching to him, or throwing AT him would be giving Barry what he deserves.
LaRoche homered again. 10 this month.
mmmmmm Andy LaRoche. Between him and Bills im all out of man crushes.
Padres have signed Shea Hillenbrand to a minor league contract, that's got to be some locker room, eh? Bradley, Barrett, Hillenbrand, Wells…


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What I want to know is: Why is no one sharing?
2013-12-09 19:11:02
I don't understand... did Hans seriously think "Solomon" was the best track he's written for this movie??
2013-12-11 21:05:37
The FYC Promo score is most definitely real.
A film critic I follow on Twitter posted this not too long ago:
https://twitter.com/calummarsh/status/408709201066606592/pho to/1/large
2013-12-11 22:53:45
So Hans owns the right to his music, he chose to make it available for a bunch of film critics only, and to his fans he chose to give only one cue that's just a copy of another one (i.e.: pointless). I really don't understand. At all.
2013-12-11 23:18:07
"he chose to make it available for a bunch of film critics only"
No, it's for Academy voters.
Hybrid Soldier
2013-12-11 23:25:38
That's even worse cause 99% don't give a shit... It's already on eBay, it says it all...
2013-12-11 23:51:26
Yeah it's even worse. Why does Hans care about people who for the most part don't care (and aren't even interested in his music), when he has so much fans asking for the very same thing?
Hybrid Soldier
2013-12-11 23:54:42
Hans probably has nothing to do with this promo... It's all Fox selling its movie...
Sure Fox sells it better than Hans, that's a fact... -_-
2013-12-11 23:56:38
I thought you said Hans owned the rights to his music and could choose to release what he wanted...
Hybrid Soldier
2013-12-12 00:07:33
Yes but the For Your Consideration campaign is done by the studio, so is this promo...
And yes Hans could, but does not want... :P
2013-12-12 00:25:39
What's bothering me is precisely the fact that he doesn't WANT to release it. He knows the studio's releasing it for some privileged people, but deliberately chooses to let his faithful fans starving. But whatever, it'll eventually leak, it's only a matter of time now.
2013-12-12 22:55:35
I guess Hans don't want to release it because of the production effort a score album would cause. All of you know that Hans doesn't smash a (nearly) complete tracklist in chronologically in front of you. The album needs to tell slightly different story. And it needs to stand alone for itself.
Hybrid Soldier
2013-12-12 23:45:28
I don't buy that, he has people at RCP and even a music label directly runned by Steve Kofsky, Hans's associate running RCP, with 14th Street Music...
No excuse ! ;)
2017-02-22 00:45:09
Most likely, this hasn't been released due to the lawsuit. Luckily, that suit was dropped late last year and we can hope they will consider releasing it soon (something better than that "Music from and inspired by" album)
Gotham Rogue
2017-02-22 06:14:08
This FYC score has been out for a long time, Fox searchlight posted it online during awards season and by now it's even on YouTube.
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|| 2014-03-10 19:44:40
We know Hans and that is why we can feel his scores more than any others, that's how he speak to us.
This score needs no analisis, it´s Solomon Northup tragic,hopeful,heartbreking story in the hands and mind of H, that´s it!.Thank-you Hans one more time and counting...
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2014-03-10 20:03:19
as you said, one more "Time" ;)
2014-03-10 20:14:11
Touché JR :D
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|| 2013-11-22 11:15:40
25 seconds?!!
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2013-11-22 13:01:33
If you can get past the fact that the song is 25 seconds, it's actually not bad.
2014-02-04 16:27:01
If you want to hear a "Time" rip-off, listen to "Safe Now" from 'Captain Phillips OST. Identical copy!!
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|| 2014-01-23 06:27:17
Does anybody know that mesmerizing orgel song right after the first end credits song in 12 Years a Slave?
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2014-01-23 14:52:06
I think it's track 3 from Complete Score ("Bedtime").
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|| 2013-12-12 22:20:24
Some select soundtrack clips are now available through www.foxsearchlight.com/fyc, including the music underscoring the boat ride.
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2013-12-12 23:49:23
It's 12 cues. And I see now why Hans didn't want to release it :/ It's a very subdued and minimal score, really not worth serious awards consideration. Pity that other scores such as Zimmer's own Rush for instance, will get overlooked bc of this... but that's the way it always goes with awards
2013-12-13 00:56:03
All 21 cues are available for listening through the link now. They're in alphabetical order.
2013-12-13 05:03:21
Now I get why there was not a full release, so I'll shut up. Beautiful variations of the theme, and some good additional material on the Fox FYC site. The FYC stuff on eBay is going for $250+?!? Marketing & Money! Certain the film, actors, and our favorite composer will be recognized and awarded! Now, onto the Interstellar trailer and TASM2!
A nun, a moose
2013-12-13 07:09:09
Yes, a lot of cues are just variations on the Solomon theme which in tern is just a variation on 'Time' from inception ;) but there are pleanty of badass cues in here that are so awesomely experimental for hans! Fans and academics of film music would get this just to study tracks like "boat trip to new orleans"
2013-12-13 08:50:10
Agree with Cabok. The musical awards are a bit of a joke. It's more like "oh, we loved that movie, it was so moving, let's say it has one of the best scores of 2013". When will original score, cinematography, special effects, sound mixing and other categories be judged objectively and separately from the movie itself?
Btw it looks like i'm complaining but actually i'm really pleased for Hans, congratulations to him! ... and thank you Fox for finally leaking the original score :-)
2013-12-13 11:05:23
I would think a score is judged on how effective it is in the context of the film. It's not Most Original Score or Most Enjoyable Soundtrack Album, it's Best Original Score. Who cares if it's minimalistic and subdued?
I haven't actually seen 12 Years a Slave but I've heard the score is used well.
2013-12-13 11:31:49
You're right, but i think much more effort was put into "Rush" than "12YaS" (musically speaking).
Anyway i think this year Steven Price deserves a big win for his astonishing work on "Gravity"!
2013-12-13 14:38:56
This album track %96 TIME, music - %1 FUN - %1 ACTION - %1 CLAP %1 Tin sound lol %1 hollow sound :)
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|| 2013-12-11 20:16:53
Off the topic, but IMDb lists "Darren Rutter" as the composer for "Edge of Tomorrow". Isn't Djawadi scoring this movie?
The movie's official site doesn't say who is scoring the movie. Anyone know anything about this? Hybrid?
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2013-12-11 22:59:22
I'm also worried by this. But besides IMDb, no other sources of this bullshit exist.
2013-12-12 22:43:18
IMDb listed Michael Giacchino as composer for the first Captain America a couple of months before it hit theatres. Don't believe stuff about unfinished projects on the Data Base.
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|| 2013-12-12 14:51:11
Hans just got Golden Globe-nominated for 12 Years A Slave!
Great news, even if i personally think the Rush soundtrack was more deserving.
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2013-12-12 17:29:43
Here's the full list taken from IMDB.
12 Years a Slave (2013): Hans Zimmer
Gravity (2013): Steven Price
Die Bücherdiebin (2013): John Williams
All Is Lost (2013): Alex Ebert
Mandela: Der lange Weg zur Freiheit (2013): Alex Heffes
Traditional and emotional scores are always prefered by the jury.
2013-12-12 17:33:00
Whoops, sry it's in German.
12 Years a Slave (2013): Hans Zimmer
Gravity (2013): Steven Price
The Book Thief (2013): John Williams
All Is Lost (2013): Alex Ebert
Mandela: Long Walk to Freedom (2013): Alex Heffes
2013-12-12 21:45:43
Golden Globe (the first of many awards, I'm thinking), strong nod from Hollywood Foreign Press.....score availability = 3:56. Makes no sense.
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|| 2013-12-10 06:41:42
Hey Hybrid,
You should tell Zimmer to release the 12 years a slave score in honor of Nelson Mandela.
You know like the Days of thunder score. XD
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Edmund Meinerts
2013-12-10 11:21:37
Wow. Just wow. This is in such bad taste I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
2013-12-10 14:21:46
MacArthur, buddy, did you REALLY just say that?
2013-12-10 14:31:55
Hybrid was already annoyed by people asking for a better release. I shudder to think of what this will do.
2013-12-10 17:05:56
It was meant to be a joke.
2013-12-10 17:19:18
No one should make jokes about death. It's tactless.
2013-12-10 17:56:50
I also kinda mentioned it as a way maybe to honor a great man.
Edmund Meinerts
2013-12-10 18:57:57
No, Mac, you were using the death of a great man to try and get your hands on music you want. I can hardly think of anything less tactless.
Also, APARTHEID AND SLAVERY ARE NOT THE SAME THING.
2013-12-10 19:17:59
Have you ever heard of Martin luther King. I know that slavery and Apartheid are different what went on with King is basically the same thing.
I just put an Idea forth to maybe dedicate it to somebody. (Like they do in Hollywood) how come when I (a no-name) suggests it people say. Oh...your tactless. But when hollywood does it, they are held as heroes. When they do the same thing?
Answer that question.
Edmund Meinerts
2013-12-10 19:26:10
You weren't saying that to honor a great man. You were saying it because you want the music. It's like demanding a complete score release of Crimson Tide in memory of Tony Scott. You're abusing a tragedy to further your own goals.
2013-12-10 20:19:56
You didn't answer the question.
Edmund Meinerts
2013-12-10 20:29:07
A Hollywood dedication...okay, let's take an example. John Carter is dedicated to Steve Jobs. I'm guessing that's because of Pixar and Apple's shared history and because Andrew Stanton directed Finding Nemo and WALL*E for Pixar. That's a nice gesture because it's just for its own sake. They didn't use that dedication to try and push the film's marketing, as far as I know - I can't think of any film that has ever tried to do that.
Whereas what you're doing is trying to use Mandela's name and death to get someone to do something for you, in this case release music. Music from a movie that's only very, very tenuously connected with Mandela, if at all. Stanton's gesture is touching and genuine. Yours, if we can even call it a gesture, is crass and insincere and has the added faux-pas factor of "too soon" to boot. In short, you made an ass of yourself. Again.
trent easton navarro
2013-12-10 22:20:33
you've said some pretty ridiculous stuff on this site MacArthur, but this is stupidness on a whole new level. And you made worse by also mentioning Martin Luther King and by saying it was a joke. Pretty tasteless dude.
2013-12-10 22:38:31
Just let it go.
2013-12-11 03:19:05
Who else but MacArthur??? Giggity-giggity-goo!
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Watched movie again today, it's a pity that this album did not include the music when Solomon was been transported in the ship. It's about 5 minute cue and really brilliant music, remind me the style of the music from Shutter Island
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|| 2013-11-19 18:23:45
In my opinion, ''Solomon'' is one of the most beautiful theme Hans Zimmer has ever scored... Emotional, intense... A ''Time'' ripoff? I couldn't say, I disagree with that statement, but what is sure is how great ''Solomon'' is.
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Edmund Meinerts
2013-11-19 18:34:28
Wow...really? Even taking aside the "Time ripoff" thingy (which doesn't even bother me that much), I've listened to it three times now and still can't remember a damn thing about it except that it was vaguely "nice." Barely emotional and certainly not intense, for me.
2013-11-19 19:42:43
I like it.
But it wasn't that memorable.
2013-11-19 20:32:43
Maybe it could have been good with more developments...Here, it is finally quite anecdotic. Even if rather nice to hear.
2013-11-19 20:39:26
Everyone has to right to have his own opinion, and I respect yours. I just don't share it ;)
2013-11-19 20:48:15
has the right*
2013-11-19 21:59:43
Agreed! And I think it's nice to. listened to it and I like it more every time. It did need more score to support it. If it would have then it might have been memorable. in this case I have changed my mind about it. It is kinda memorable.
2013-11-19 22:15:01
When will people stop complaining? If Solomon is a Time rip-off then Time is a CheValiers de Sangreal rip-off.
2013-11-19 23:02:09
No, no, Zimson, Time wasn't the Chevaliers de Sangreal ripoff. "A Dark Knight" was. ;)
Edmund Meinerts
2013-11-19 23:23:11
Time was more of a "Journey to the Line" ripoff. ^^
2013-11-19 23:32:12
Huh...The Dark Knight sounds nothing like The Da Vinci code theme. 0_o
2013-11-19 23:57:04
Don't bother about similar scoring techniques, John Williams used the same over and over again and nobody calls him repetitive. ;)
2013-11-20 00:10:39
Oh, heck yes, John Williams is repetitive. I forget where it was exactly, but in the Adventures of Tintin, when they talked about Bagghar, a piece of music played that sounded a lot like Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. In "Father and Son" from Lincoln, there's a part intensely reminiscent of "Omaha Beach" from Saving Private Ryan. The love theme for Marian Ravenwood from Indiana Jones sounds a lot like the love theme for Han Solo and Princess Leia from Star Wars.
I could go on, but I think you get my point: John Williams is also repetitive, and I'll fully admit it.
2013-11-20 00:15:40
And MacArthur, just so you know, I'm talking about "A Dark Knight", the 16-minute suite on the album. Specifically, the first 2 and a half minutes or so. I'm not referring to The Dark Knight as a whole, which is what you said, and which, I agree, doesn't sound like The Da Vinci Code. :)
2013-11-20 03:29:40
''A Dark Knight'' is, once again, in my opinion, Zimmer's best track. Ever. EVER.
2013-11-20 04:50:40
Yeah Dark knight does sound a little like it. Difference is different chord patterns. and 6/8 time :)
2013-11-20 09:33:15
"A Dark Knight" is a superb track but its second half is a bit repetitive and cold. I really don't think it's HZ's best track ever. Some tracks in King Arthur ("Budget Meeting", "All Of Them") are as emotional and majestic as "A Dark Knight", but much more colourful and diverse.
2013-11-20 17:23:27
I agree, Joker. If not the whole thing, then at least the first seven minutes or so of A Dark Knight are absolutely fantastic.
2013-11-20 19:25:02
The Last 3 Minutes of A Dark Knight is Awesome
2013-11-20 19:31:53
It has it's similarities to "Time", but when you play Solomon's theme on the piano you realize the differences
2013-11-21 01:34:47
Angels and demons was better overall than anything from TDK
2013-11-21 05:04:51
No Way Like A Dog Chasing Cars is the Best.
2013-11-21 15:22:05
Like a Dog Chasing Cars is very good, but I must agree that Angels and Demons is, on the whole, a superior score.
2013-11-21 15:22:15
Yes! TDK nailed it. I would put that track into the Top 5.
Angels & Demons has 160 BPM, Air and 503, but they are not as essential as Like A Dog Chasing Cars and A Dark Knight. Btw, Sherlock is Zimmer's best work imo.
2013-11-21 15:24:57
Zimson, how can you mention Angels and Demons without mentioning Science and Religion???? I've said it before and I'll say it again, the middle few minutes are incredible!
2013-11-21 15:48:10
It's funny, you all seem to focus on the most recent Zimmer scores. Angels & Demons is great and Sherlock is cool, but come on, At World's End and King Arthur are 100x superior!
2013-11-21 15:53:53
King Arthur is good. Not as good as the Dark Knight. Sherlock Holmes was refreshing. Interesting new stuff Not as enjoyable to listen to as a whole score. without the movie that is.
2013-11-21 16:18:30
Ds, don't say no one talks about At World's End. The whole expanded score page seems to be full of praises toward it. xD
2013-11-21 17:10:44
Mike, yeah i know that, i was part of that discussion too :p
My comment was more about this particular discussion.
2013-11-21 19:19:24
Check out this site and vote for your favorite Zimmer score!
@Mike Science & Religion is very beautiful but I didn't want to make the list too long.
2013-11-21 21:19:43
Like a dog chasing cars gets stale, and I have to agree with AwE, I think they are tied with A&D (they were both made by the EXACT same crew)
2013-11-21 21:54:04
I don't think that it's gets stale, (Another One of my all time Favorites is Crimson Tide.)
2013-11-21 22:34:11
What MacArthur said....How does it get stale?
2013-11-22 07:01:46
Personally, I find Solomon a great track. Not an Inception ripoff, but quite frankly a "The Lone Ranger" ripoff. While TLR was a disappointing movie, Solomon sounds a lot like it. Just my opinion.
As for Da Vinci Code & Angels and Demons, I also loved these scores. But not for one moment do I think they best the Dark Knight. "A Dark Knight" doesn't sound anything like it to me, and while I wouldn't say it's Zimmer's best track I will say it's in the top 10. "Like a Dog Chasing Cars" is too.
2013-11-22 15:00:51
The problem I had with TDK was that, while it went awesomely with the film, and the Batman theme(s) and Harvey Dent theme were really good, a lot of the music was just noise (because of the Joker or otherwise). On the 2 CD release, most of the tracks besides A Watchful Guardian, Buyer Beware, Chance, and some others were either pervasive action music ("You're Gonna Love Me"—fine within context, not great as a standalone listen) or noise more than music ("You Complete Me"—again, works great in the movie, but...). So while I do love the score and the film, I'll easily agree that better ones are out there. Again, though, the various themes for Batman in the movie are among my favorite Zimmer themes.
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h t t p ://w w w.foxsearchlight.com/fyc/film/12-years-a-slave/videos
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|| 2013-11-21 18:04:52
I agree, At Worlds End is by far Zimmer's best, in my opinion. Angels & Demons follows a close second for me.
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2013-11-21 18:05:39
Oops! I meant to put that on the below thread. :)
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|| 2013-11-20 08:07:34
Worst Composers Ever!
Got to Hell! RC-Composer
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2013-11-20 18:46:05
Go away....
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|| 2013-11-07 11:32:45
will it also be available on iTunes anytime?
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2013-11-07 14:20:01
It is. just type in 12 years a slave.
Just bought the Zimmer stuff not bad for only 3 minutes
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|| 2013-11-06 14:33:22
Like, seriously? "Solomon" sounds almost EXACTLY like "Time".
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Edmund Meinerts
2013-11-06 15:04:37
Either that or "Home". I'm starting to really not be a fan of the way Steve McQueen uses his scores.
2013-11-06 16:23:20
the same 4 notes sadly. Thankfully it's different after that
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|| 2013-10-29 16:09:38
So there IS an additional composer...I was worried for a second that there wouldn't be... ;)
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Edmund Meinerts
2013-10-29 16:16:16
Benjamin Wallfisch though?!? :o
Since when is he associated with RCP? I thought he was Dario Marianelli's orchestrator! He's done a few solo scores too (Conquest 1453, Summer in February) and they've been mostly very good. Weird to see him cropping up here.
2013-11-01 10:42:08
@Edmund: Well, he was the Orchestrator for Streitenfelds' "Robin Hood". ;)
2013-11-04 07:11:17
I hope it is not a on-off scenario. It'd be cool to have someone like Benjamin Wallfisch at HZ's side, one who could bring some old-school orchestral elegance to the mix, much like what Klaus Badelt and Henry Jackman did during their time at the maestro's team.
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|| 2013-11-04 05:32:40
Just got back from the film. I can see why there Hans may be considering no score release, about 65% of the cues were just variations on the Solomon theme. That said, there were plenty of very awesome, experimental cues that would be great to have (basically everything in the first act)!! I hope a full score gets leaked (though hopefully released) because there is some quality stuff that I think anyone who wants something new from Hans, should hear.
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2013-11-04 07:01:21
Agreed! Loved the film -- superb effort and outcome from all involved. And you are right Spence. But, many wonderful cues left unreleased. Notable ones in my mind: 1) kidnap and boat scenes, 2)a beautiful bayou scene, 3) Solomon reflection scenes with beautiful string underscores of the theme. I also loved the "music box and chimes" of when the kids were playing and going to sleep.
Not a dry eye in the theater today, including mine. Tough, laboring, historic, human spirit, spiritual, etc. A wonderful film! Let's hope Hans will support an extended release, mainly in the form of suites. 30-40+ mins would be divine. There is enough there without repetition. Even the instrumental variations of the theme are superb!
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is the search box messed up for anyone else when you hit enter? the resulting page has some sort of error message. sorry idk where else to put this. :P
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|| 2013-10-28 22:08:00
listen to the full soundtrack here
thefilmstage.com/news/listen-full-12-years-a-slave-soundtrac k-featuring-chris-cornell-john-legend-more/
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2013-10-28 22:21:22
"Washington" is very good but "Solomon" sounds exactly like Home from Lone Ranger :(
Is this it? So all the score in the movie is just a variation of "Solomon" a.k.a "Home"? Come on. There's gotta be more music than this.
2013-10-28 23:51:31
isidur, you are right. Since I already watched the movie,in my opinio, it is a pity that the most creative part of the score is not in this album. Check the clip #2 on youtube then you will know what I mean.
2013-10-29 00:19:30
Sounds more like "Safe Now" from Captain Philips to me. Adds fuel to the fire that Zimmer had a hand in that track.
al bundy
2013-10-29 00:35:29
Another Time, Safe Now, ... rip-off. Lazy Zimmer is lazy.
2013-10-29 03:41:47
Really? Not, for a moment, denying similarities to some other works and also not dismissing the beauty or effectiveness of a track that I'm certain is perfect for the film. One reviewer of the film commented that, at the conclusion, he/she could not get up out of the seat because history had it's "way them them". That's powerful and I can't wait to see them film and hear the score. At this point, the lack of score release on this one is the most puzzling thing I have ever seen. Certain I'll feel even more confused about it after having seen it. What in the world is going on here? I'm certain, just certain there's much more for all of us to enjoy in another release. I am just dead wrong about it?
2013-10-29 03:45:03
Hybrid: please appeal to Hans! Even if LLL did a limited edition release.....something!
2013-10-29 05:24:06
I'll certainly buy it if that's the case.
2013-10-29 05:27:31
First 3 notes of Solomon, are the first 3 notes of Time in the same chord inversions... some producer really wanted to put Time in this film, eh?
At least the rest is different enough. Kinda.
Why can't we have more like Washington? That sounded amazing and so different from Hans!
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|| 2013-10-25 22:23:06
3'56 of score? I don't get it. What a colossal disappointment! Surely there is more score to release that not merely repetitive variations. Hans.....
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2013-10-25 23:17:34
I kinda feel that Hans' best year to date should have been closed with something better than poor 4 minutes of music. But then again, it wouldn't be agreat way to start 2014, either.
2013-10-25 23:36:40
Well, it is POSSIBLE that the score is just a bunch of repetitive variations. Look at Trevor Rabin's score to The Guardian. I can't think of any noteworthy music from that film not contained in The Guardian Suite. But then, that suite has 7 minutes of score, somewhat longer than what we're getting here. And 25 seconds for track 8? Really?
2013-10-26 00:27:36
0'25" or nothing is the same. So basically we get ONE score track, and we're expecting to believe the rest of the score is just a variation of that track. And yet a lot of critics speaks about this score like it's a strong contender for Best Original Score. Something weird's happening here :p
Edmund Meinerts
2013-10-26 00:28:29
Oof, that really isn't much. Weird. I mean, a 25-second track? I at least thought the two cues would be nice and lengthy, like on an old-school Zimmer release. But this Steve McQueen guy seems to have kind of weird music preferences where he only has a couple cues in the entire movie (and they're Zimmer ripoffs more often than not). And from what I've heard from reviews and such, this is no different, except it's Zimmer providing his own ripoffs.
Either way, I kinda hope this thing doesn't get any awards consideration for its score. If it's really as sparse and derivative as they say.
2013-10-26 01:22:38
At least this score is ACTUALLY a Zimmer score in the truest sense of the word, Edmund (not a Zimmer, Balfe, Zanelli, or whoever else score). :P
2013-10-26 07:30:48
MoS was a True Zimmer Score!
But this is very disappointing.
2013-10-26 11:00:35
Mike, you're right, but i would call it "a Zimmer track" rather than "a Zimmer score" :p
Edmund Meinerts
2013-10-26 11:42:34
MoS still had ghostwriters though, is what Mike is saying. Then again, if Hans needed a ghostwriter to get through 3'56 of music I'd fear for him. :p
2013-10-26 15:58:32
What is going on? This is just criminal :( It would have been better if they haven't released anything at all.
2013-10-26 17:23:32
For MoS he didn't have a lot of help except on the two that XL did and even those as we discussed in earlier topics were 95% Zimmer.
But as I said iTunes has it for pre order and i bet the Zimmer tracks are $1.29 each and for 25 seconds that is a rip-off.
Hybrid Soldier
2013-10-26 19:00:58
What do you know about MOS ? You think Atli, Andrew & Steve didn't work on it ? I know you like playing the blind guy but...
2013-10-26 21:25:20
Mind you I didn't say he didn't have any help I said that he did have a lot.
There's a Difference.
2013-10-26 21:25:48
2013-10-26 21:44:18
But what I've come to figure out is that a lot of the "Ghostwriters" Just Cut and paste Zimmer's stuff. (Balfe used Zimmer's stuff in MW2 in Extraction point Guerrilla Tactics...etc) I'll Assume it's the Same with MoS.
2013-10-26 22:08:41
MacArthur....First, Extraction Point was not "Balfe using Zimmer". Extraction Point was Balfe. Plain and simple. Zimmer was "Opening titles". That is pretty much all the music Zimmer wrote, however much the rest might sound like Zimmer. Secondly, didn't Atli Örvarsson do the Favela material (and thus Guerrilla Tactics)?
2013-10-26 22:19:59
And how do you know that "Arcade" and "General Zod" are 95% Zimmer? I don't know about General Zod, but "Arcade" sounds more like JunkieXL than Zimmer to me.
Hybrid Soldier
2013-10-26 22:59:42
You assume many things but you don't seem to know a lot... And using what happened on one score to describe another is a terrible mistake. Each score is unique and has its own history...
2013-10-27 01:05:42
My Fault Mike I meant Code Of Conduct and Chain of Command both have Zimmer's Theme in it. (Now don't take this as I know everything...and I'm not directing this to you Mike.) I simply heard it in the cue. General Zod sounds a lot like Zimmer With a few Rhythmic Patterns That sound like XL. The Same with Arcade. This just comes from years of listening to Zimmer's music. And begin a huge fan of his stuff you can usually tell the difference.
And I Didn't say that Zimmer Didn't have Help. do you ever read?
This being said the Original Conversation was that Zimmer had "Ghostwriters" But...let's put it this way so it doesn't sound like I'm assuming anything. would you agree that MoS is 95% Zimmer.
2013-10-28 17:41:23
What continues to amaze me is the inclusion of that 25 second score cue. What can you possibly do in 25 seconds that makes it worthy of a album track?
Hybrid Soldier
2013-10-28 17:43:11
Hans said it was a transition, maybe that's why... ;)
2013-10-28 21:12:34
I just hope the 0:25 second tracks is not a $1.29 on iTunes
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|| 2013-10-27 02:14:11
Am I the only person whos looking for the release of Mr. Morgan's Last Love? I just found a video on youtube claimed to be the music for Mr. Morgan's Last Love, can you confirm it Hybird? www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTmqlLe5VnE
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2013-10-27 08:41:44
I've seen the movie, this is a part of the score. But there isn't that much of music in the movie, and there's a lot of repetition so i don't think it'll get released. It's a lovely pretty score in the mood of "Driving Miss Daisy", but nothing really new.
2013-10-27 11:14:23
I saw the movie and thought the music is kind like The Holiday
2013-10-27 11:31:19
Indeed :-) but if you saw the movie why do you need Hybrid's confirmation? :p
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|| 2013-10-23 17:16:46
A friend of mine saw the film the other day and said the music reminded him of Rite of Spring from Stravinsky. Any Thoughts? (If true, this makes me very happy!)
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2013-10-23 21:35:37
you can watch the clip #2 on youtube and the music of that clip is fantastic
2013-10-23 22:07:12
This sounds amazing!! Thanks for the tip :)
2013-10-24 03:14:11
Since I have already saw the film and based on the name of the track I really doubt that it includes this part
2013-10-24 16:25:44
On the other hand, Frank, RCP is often abysmal with using appropriate track titles... :P
2013-10-25 14:23:54
anyone knows when this will be released?
2013-10-25 17:15:18
November 11
2013-10-25 17:17:54
And November 5th digitally, remember we only have to buy 2 tracks :p
2013-10-25 17:20:55
That is if iTunes doesn't make them album only tracks. :(
2013-10-25 20:38:23
There's no reason for them to do that, they usually do that for 10+ minutes tracks or some bonus tracks.
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|| 2013-10-22 16:36:21
I hope those two tracks are at least 5 minutes..
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2013-10-22 17:03:07
That's it? I guess something is better than nothing. Why such an abbreviated release of score :( And, it's true nothing else is in the works?!? Hybrid, what are your thoughts on this?
2013-10-22 17:04:49
2 tracks????
2013-10-22 17:13:26
You have got to be Kidding Me! That's all that there is for the release. Really?
2013-10-22 17:16:06
Maybe, if the score is well-received enough, it will get a larger release far from now.
2013-10-22 17:17:39
La La Land? Varese?? Help!
2013-10-22 17:46:18
Gosh, i really don't get it. All high-profile movies (and most of the smaller ones) get their score released, but this time it's just a Hans Zimmer score, so let's not release it. It's not like his scores weren't selling well. God, even little french movies have their full scores released on itunes. Steve McQueen's previous movie has its score released. Hans made a lot of advertising for his work on 12 Years a Slave, which was apparently one of his "greatest scoring experiences". So: WHAT THE FUCK?
2013-10-22 17:48:14
And this one has no ghostwriters, it appears. Pure Hans!
2013-10-22 18:12:16
Exactly...RELEASE THE SCORE PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!
2013-10-22 18:45:55
RCP should get its own label.
Hybrid Soldier
2013-10-22 19:05:01
RCP has its own label...
2nd, actually, the score is made of a ton of less than 1 min cues... Do you really think HZ wrote 120 min for that movie ?
2013-10-22 20:23:10
Come on! Just two tracks. This is plain wrong. I am blindly hoping that they will each be at least 15 min long.
2013-10-22 20:33:41
"Nicolas, Webmaster reply Replies: 10 || 2013-10-19 15:46:57
I was told, This music is a great challenger for the next oscars... Hope it will !"
if there's only 2 tracks then how on earth this score is a contender for the oscars?
2013-10-22 20:41:18
No Kidding. you sure are right about that.
And Isildur I hope so too, but the problem with that is iTunes Being the "Geniuses" That they are will probably make the Zimmer Tracks Album only tracks. Am I not Right though
2013-10-22 22:58:03
The alternative version of individual tracks where Hans is associated not with 2 but with 5 tracks!! (namely those associated with Nicholas Britell here) One of the tracklists is incorrect. The question is which one?
blogs. indiewire.com/ theplaylist/ 12-years-a-slave-inspired-by-soundtrack-features-john-legend -cody-chestnutt-chris-cornell-more-
2013-10-22 23:09:20
Sorry for some misleading news. Of course the tracklist here is the correct one as Nicholas Britell is credited with writing and arranging the onscreen violin music and they are his tracks.
Hybrid Soldier
2013-10-22 23:11:17
Yep, because before I post anything here I do my homework, which those journalist forgot to do... ;)
2013-10-22 23:40:19
Haha Hybrid good one!
al bundy
2013-10-23 01:16:15
@halesz: well they academy will get a promo score that contains more score than on the official album
2013-10-23 08:06:10
hope those 2 Songs are longer than 5min. :)
Hybrid Soldier
2013-10-23 09:24:53
Hans said : "I don't think we have enough to really do a normal score cd, since it's really mainly variations on one theme...But John Legend, who's a great champion of this film, has gathered some great artists around him, and yes, there will be some score on that cd."
2013-10-23 10:17:46
Is the weird music from this clip composed by zimmer? www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMd75bL6mB4
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Let's Just say this is the songs are both 18:00 and 23:00 Minutes long and you can buy them separately on iTunes
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|| 2013-10-21 07:24:05
How much of the score is getting a release
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2013-10-21 15:17:30
Have you ever heard about question mark? It looks like this: ?
2013-10-21 17:05:21
Yes...Answer the Question????????
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|| 2013-10-19 21:22:37
Don't expect a lot of score on this CD. There will be, but not a lot...
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2013-10-19 21:23:48
And I assume we shouldn't expect a separate score release either...
2013-10-20 16:47:15
Hybrid, do you think there's gonna be a separate or additional (through whatever medium) score release for this?
Hybrid Soldier
2013-10-20 16:57:52
2013-10-21 02:12:45
K -- thx. How much score do you think will be featured on the CD?
2013-10-21 02:16:33
Just read the digital release is Nov 5th.
http: //www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/12-years-a-slave-soundtrack -649488
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|| 2013-10-19 15:46:57
I was told, This music is a great challenger for the next oscars... Hope it will !
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2013-10-20 08:36:18
They used to say the same for Frost/Nixon, if I recall correctly.
2013-10-20 12:18:53
Some people on imdb posted comments about Hans' score, and basically it appears some of them thought he reused "Time" and "Dream Is Collapsing" with a different orchestration. If the rip-off is that blatant, i doubt Hans will get a nomination for this. Anyway I hope he'll get one for Rush.
Edmund Meinerts
2013-10-20 13:58:50
That's ironic considering very recently Zimmer said, when asked by a fan when he'd make another cue like "Time", he said something along the lines of "I'm not interested in repeating myself". Then again, it wouldn't exactly be the first time Zimmer said something in an interview that ended up being total nonsense... :p
2013-10-20 14:27:49
@ Meinerts He didn't say "I'm not interested in repeating myself", he said "I am trying very hard not do something like Time". There is a difference :)
2013-10-20 14:35:44
it's obvious that McQueen is a big Zimmer fa and loves Journey to the Line(obvious temp-track in Shame).
Apparently Inception was the temp-track for this movie
Edmund Meinerts
2013-10-20 14:42:52
@isildur, doesn't that just prove my point? :p
2013-10-20 14:46:40
@ Meinerts Funnily enough it actually does :D. But it doesn't matter as long as he writes nice music.
Hybrid Soldier
2013-10-20 15:20:04
Edmund 12 Years was scored in very early 2013, and HZ said long after that "Please don't ask me to do Time again"... Where's the contradiction ?
Edmund Meinerts
2013-10-20 20:01:55
Ah okay. So really he should have said "Please don't ask me to do Time a third time". That's okay, Henry Jackman can do it for him. Or whoever it was that did "Safe Now"... :p
2013-10-20 20:32:43
lol, nice one, Ed
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So what kind of release will this get like a Driving miss Daisy release a Potc4 release or a Fan release where you have only 1 song.
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|| 2013-10-19 21:38:30
Has Hans Zimmer still voluntarily opted out of Oscar consideration, or was that just for that one year?
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Edmund Meinerts
2013-10-19 22:52:02
That was the year he did On Stranger Tides and Game of Shadows, wasn't it? I always thought that came across as a "I know my scores are crap this year so I might as well take them out of consideration myself so it doesn't count as a snub" type thing. :p
2013-10-20 00:15:29
Sh2 was a great score with a crappy release...
2013-10-20 00:59:07
Edmund: you forget Hans also scored Rango that year, which featured great music. Since Rango won best animated feature, it could easily have scored a nomination for best score as well...
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