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26 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 10 people are on the disagree side.
That might be enough to see the common perception.
It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.
mmjd14 posted 32 arguments, TheExistentialist posted 15 arguments, Ematio posted 8 arguments, neveralone posted 6 arguments to the agreers part.
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mmjd14, TheExistentialist, sabrina, thereal, Ematio, neveralone, Suco_169, EthanTReilly, makson and 17 visitors agree.
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yes i think we should defunned planned parenthood like what is happening right now. and make sure our tax dollar is doing some good instead of taking a life. im confused on what you're saying though give tax money to mothers or foster care. hmm quite odd someone like you name our founding fathers quote when we don't follow it at all. when you say completely destroying chances of a normal life so destroy a life? its also the pursuit of happiness which mean you're in control. you can reach your dream based on your actions. right to LIFE, liberty, andthe pursuit of happiness. is one of my favorite quotes. its brilliant. but women choose to have sex i think other people help them out fine especially colleges with scholarships for being a mother tax returns for claiming her son or daughter daycare at colleges. i mean like how else would you want to help them?
of course it sucks that they can't live with their parents, even if the orphanages were able to provide them with sufficient care, a decent education, and not be faced with constant neglect... but I wasn't comparing them to home life.
how do you rate our orphanages and the care they provide? do you think they are adequately funded? the current system may be better than nonexistence, but what about when you increase the burden on that system 4x or 5x or many times more? how will the outcome be then?
considering the same people who push to ban abortion are often the same people who are against almost all forms of social spending, including on orphanages and foster care, would you be willing to make that compromise? we will give you the abortion issue if you adequately support the funding of these organizations or assistance to mothers so they can keep their child without completely destroying any chances of a normal life, the American dream, or the pursuit of happiness?
you already asked me this question
mmjd can I ask you a question. how would you rate the quality of our orphanage and foster care systems?
sell this debate seems to have gone off for quite a bit and I didn't want to flood the app with answers to all asked towards me and thought it would be simpler if u told me which u wanted me to continue on.
oh nice i knew that i was wondering what he meant on the last part
his phone broke down. he had to get a new one.
what do you mean?
hey guys sorry I haven't been on my phone broke. I'm guessing u don't want me to answer everything on here that u have asked so just tell me which and I'll go with them.
you're just a bad person lol you're comparing a human life to a caterpillar, rats, and bacteria. 2/3 of abortion are happening at 8 weeks tell me what a baby has at 8 weeks at try to me its cells
you cannot judge things by potential. a fetus might become a person, that is true. but at the point it is aborted it is not. if you were to kill a caterpillar would I be accurate I'm saying you killed a butterfly?
a fetus is not yet a person. it is a cluster of cells. you cannot say it is a person because it may become one.
There is a missing point there. The brain dead individual has almost no potential, while a fetus is a developing person that has so much potential. Murder can also be defined as cutting off a persons potential.
if you weren't taking to me why did you reply to my post. your new to the app where you hit the reply button matters.
i wasnt talking to you nemiroff i was talking to existentialist. and a lot of people are saying its okay to kill that. and i dont know. i feel bad for kids that are in foster homes there whole childhood but at least they have a childhood of some kind and a whole life to live rather then to be killed in the womb.
mmjd can I ask you a question. how would you rate the quality of our orphanage and foster care systems?
what are you responding to!
the post you click reply to was just me saying every cell is alive.
I guarantee you any baby that actually fights for its life has an active and functioning brain. and no one is saying it's OK to kill that.
did you not watch the abortion video? the baby fights for his life. you people disgust me honestly abortion is morally wrong. its taking away a life. the people on the left don't value life at all its killing a human being. were living in a Holocaust right now and you are the nazis. you say the baby doesnt feel pain and it does why do you think they try to give them a shot. electrical waves is brain activity. a beating heart just like you and me. hands like you and me. a tongue like you and me thats just at 8 weeks
you'll have to Google the process. but yes sperm is alive. every cell in you is alive.
can you explain me how zygote is formed by fusion of the sperm and ova? and also, is sperm a living organism?
Sorry, I missed a bunch of this debate due to life. I'm not likely to be around on a regular basis for a few days. I'll jump in every once in a while though. I hope to get to responses for your inquiries (@neveralone, @ematio, and @mmj) soon.
@mmjd14 brainwaves at 12 weeks don't mean sentience. Just Because you electrical activity in the brain doesn't mean you automatically have brain function. You're missing the fact that no communication can occur because at that age no synapses are formed yet.
Synapses-the points where two neurons come together to interact-form in large numbers during the 17th and following weeks, allowing for communication between individual neurons. Synaptic activity underlies all brain functions. Synaptic growth does not skyrocket until around week 28. Nonetheless, at around week 23 the fetus can survive outside the womb, with medical support.
We also still don't have complete thalamic projections until week 23 or so. Therefore a fetus cannot possibly be conscious before week 23, nor can it possibly feel pain. It is, by the most crass analysis, a simple parasite until this age. In fact, in most countries, the brain activity of a 23 week old baby, if present in an adult, would constitute brain death.
How could you argue for moral status for a fetus with the same brain function as a brain dead individual when we deny moral status to the brain dead?
An excerpt from 2005 journal of bioethics:
If a grown adult had suffered massive brain damage, reducing the brain to this [23 week only fetus] level of development, the patient would be considered brain dead and a candidate for organ donation. Society has defined the point at which an inadequately functioning brain no longer deserves moral status. If we look at the requirements for brain death, and examine how they compare with the developmental sequence, we see that the brain of a third-trimester baby could be analyzed as to meeting those requirements.
absolutely... except at day one they haven't even laid the support structures or dug the whole for the base... you can certainly enter a partially built house and let the rest be built around you, but you can stand in the middle when they digging into the ground to build the support or the basic groundwork structures.
I'm not sure of the exact days, but yes, when you have brain activity it is a person. it can think. it can feel pain. the brain is the one organ that is us, the rest is maintenance machinery.
Imagine it like a house being built around a man, makes more sense?
electrical waves at 12 weeks would you not call that brain activity
I'm sure you just missed it but the first sentence in my last paragraph explicitly stated this is my belief if the soul is real.
"i definitely do not believe the soul is present at conception. do you not think that the divine soul would have some sort of physical manifestation upon entering the body? how about kickstarting the most complex and important part of our body? the brain."
and it's not when the brain begins to develop, but when it shows activity. that is my final point. under few circumstances do I agree with abortion after that. I'm still open to convincing on a time before that. I definitely think it's not a person when it's a ball of cells. the time between those 2 points idk.
also im not changing anything you said "but it has no consciousness. " made it sound like a fact. im not changing anything thats what you said. which is a false fact
and another thing do you think the soul comes at week five after conception? tjats when the brain is developed didn't you say something to kick start a soul?
i said in my opinion i think the soul comes at conception. you on the other hand made sound like a fact that your soul isn't there lol. i have no problem people making opinions. i just dont like false facts
those words were nowhere in the statement you replied to, don't try to change it up now. it was towards my analogy of the soul being unable to enter a ship before anything is built.
we both stated equal opinions about when the soul enters the body, except you told me to shut up if I don't know, but didn't appreciate the same words used against you.
we don't allow the soul to even come.
someone's got to build it. we see this as cells splitting.
sorry "consciousness "
your words: " but it does not have a conscious. " mine was opinion yours was a statement
your opinion is just an opinion, therefore, in your own words:
"well dont pretend to know the answer if you don't know"
my opinion is that the soul is right there at conception. from my own experience im a father my wife knew she was pregnant before any signs she was before her monthly before morning sickness it was weird. i just think having a baby is the most beautiful gift anyone can ever receive. and after having a child going through the ultra sounds watching my baby boy grow inside. its just amazing to me someone can kill something so innocent thats alive and ready to take the test of life , and crush its opportunity to have a life to have children of his own. to end a life that just began.
do you know the answer?
well dont pretend to know the answer if you don't know
some have come back, thus we often wait. some we do allow to die.
and I dont. no one does. I'm just saying it doesn't seem logical for it to enter a solid ball of cells. it's like entering a soon to be ship when it is just a pile of lumber.
And how do you know it can't enter one that has just started to be built?
If consciousness is the question, the why don't we just kill all coma patients? Apparently they're not alive
its an open question not a settled question so dont say it doesn't hqve a soul when you dont even know
okay so when does you're soul come to you then?
yes. but it does not have consciousness. if I can make an analogy with a soul.
the body is traditionally
thought of as a vessel for the soul. you can definitely enter an incomplete vessel, but not one that hasn't even started being built.
at conception, all you have is the DNA, the blueprint for the vessel. you haven't even gathered the materials yet. once you have constructed some of the basic features (like a floor for example) then one can enter the structure even before full completion.
i definitely do not believe the soul is present at conception. do you not think that the divine soul would have some sort of physical manifestation upon entering the body? how about kickstarting the most complex and important part of our body? the brain.
a baby has its own dna at conception
human? dna.
a person? consciousness.
what makes you a human being then historybuff?
I do care. that's what the cat is for. unless the rat has toxoplasmosis then it will smell it and stay away. the other way is natures course.
so when I'm building a plane what do u call it before it's done?
does a heartbeat make it a person? rats have heart beats. they aren't people. we kill creatures every single day that are much closer to being conscious than a fetus, but you don't care about that.
a fetus doesn't feel pain. it has no consciousness. it doesn't know it's alive. at some point it might. but at the point it is terminated it is not. therefore it isn't a person. it isn't a baby. and it isn't murder to terminate it.
this guy doesnt want to believe thats a baby he wont listen hes just trying to find every little excuse there is he cant deny the facts how a baby has a heart beat at 18 days just like you and youre gonna compare it to bacteria you should be ashamed of yourself
Are children just hunks of flesh in the womb? Because you seem to think that.
why on the bacteria? there's no need
depends. most parasites go through u without ever hurting u so yes on them. on the bad ones no they will kill u.
if it can kill no. if it can't why would u?
I have a cat for that. either to scare or be a meal. so I would rather get it to leave.
yeah. killing should never be simple or just for pleasure.
You asked almost the same exact question before. Except you said "would you kill a one year old?".
I already answered that question, but I'll paste it here again:
No, I've states that even abortions post 21 weeks of gestation is questionable; although I'd like to expand on that and say they should only occur if the life of the mother is at stake.
I'll pose these questions to you:
Is killing a harmless bacteria morally wrong?
Is killing a harmless parasite morally wrong?
Is killing an insect morally wrong?
Is it morally wrong to kill a mouse if it is living in your walls?
Is it more wrong to kill a person or a dog for pleasure?
Bare with me, I'll get to a point soon.
I believe life is precious. that has nothing to do with my faith.
and will be a person. if we do not touch that baby it will become a human even though u believe it isn't now.
again it's not based on my "superstitious" as u call it beleif. it's on morals. u simply are saying it's not murder because of time. I say it's a person either way and need to be helped just like the parents will likely need to be.
Would you kill a child of any age?
Only because you invoke God and rely on an unproven concept of the soul to justify your position. I get that it makes you feel passionate about this issue, but you must check your biases when talking legislation.
There is simply no evidence to suggest that a fetus is anything mora than a "parasite" of sorts. It has none of the qualities we associate with personhood, it's not conscious, it can't suffer or feel pain, it can't "want" to live. It simply is.
Since you must invoke superstitious thinking to come up with reasons that harm is somehow being done with abortions; why, as a society, must we succumb to your particular superstitious beliefs but not others?
when did we get to choose when a child should be murdered? in the situations u put it is because their is no other way.
it's immoral
how sad
The lifenews article states "It becomes capable of experiencing pain between 20 and 30 weeks of gestation"
Did you even read the article or just the headline? The fetus has motor reflexes to painful stimulus, but even your article states this is a reflex, not the sensation of pain.
Now, let's talk about this nonsense film "the silent scream". It was released in 1984.
The first thing that's wrong here is that it's been 33 yrs and we understand a lot more about pain and embryology, so the new research supersedes this questionable video.
Even when the film was released, it was immediately questioned by the scientific community. Critics of the film argued that the fetus could not truly scream or feel pain, as its brain was not yet well developed; medical specialists distinguished between the simple muscle reflexes shown in the video and subjective cognitive behavior, which does not arise until the twenty-fourth week of development. Robert Eiben, who was at the time president of the US National Child Neurology Society, attributed the fetus's movements during the video to reflex, not subjective experience. Similarly, other leading pediatric neurologists and specialist likened the actions of the fetus to the reflexes of brain-dead individuals, whose feet recoil when touched.
Despite overwhelming dissent from medical professionals regarding the scientific accuracy of the video and the statements made by Nathanson, anti-abortion advocates offered the work as evidence that the fetus was completely capable of feeling pain.
New research makes it even more clear that the claims made in this video are not accurate.
its not being emotional watch this video and if youre still pro choice after this you have something wrong with you.
have you ever seen an abortion video the baby fights for his or her life its sad to watch
its facts lol its not showing emotions its facts so
dont go around saying 21 weeks
Mmjd14 you're just quoting bible verses and spouting "mother Jones" nonsense. Stop being so emotional. It's a debate; what the hell did you expect when you downloaded the app? Maybe you need to rethink being here if you're so easily flustered by an opposing argument. I'll try to reason with you one more time, but if you keep this emotional nonsense and name calling up, I'm not really gonna be interested in engaging with you. Take a page out of @neveralone's book and try to argue instead of insult. At least he's trying to engage on a reasonable line of debate.
The research is pretty conclusive here. Your statement is based on a paper which states that at 10 weeks. The paper states:
"An intact spinothalamic projection might be viewed as the minimal necessary anatomical architecture to support pain processing, putting the lower limit for the experience of pain at seven weeks' gestation."
So, they're only taking into account anatomical structure. However, we know that Neuro transmission can't occur at that age, so pain cannot possibly be felt.
What is being left out in the articles you're reading is that NO laminar structure is evident in the thalamus or cortex, a defining feature of maturity. There are also no thalamic projections. Without thalamic projections, these neuronal cells cannot process noxious information from the periphery.
Glover V, Fisk NM. Fetal pain: implications for research and practice. Br J Obstet Gynaecol 1999;106: 881-6.
Ulfig N, Neudorfer F, Bohl J. Transient structures of the human fetal brain: subplate, thalamic reticular complex, ganglionic eminence. Histol Histopathol 2000;15: 771-90
thalamic projections into the cortical plate are the minimal necessary anatomy for pain experience. These projections are complete at 23 weeks' gestation. The period 23-25 weeks' gestation is also the time at which the peripheral free nerve endings and their projection sites within the spinal cord reach full maturity. By 26 weeks' gestation the characteristic layers of the thalamus and cortex are visible, with obvious similarities to the adult brain.
Coghill RC, McHaffie JG, Yen YF. Neural correlates of interindividual differences in the subjective experience of pain. Proc Nat Acad Sci USA 2003;100: 8538-42
There are even studies that would put this further out, but I'd say 21 weeks is pretty conservative as a limit.
Jeremiah 1:5 and what about the babies right ****** quit saying 21 weeks the baby has a heartbeat 18 days. 8 weeks all organs function. 10 weeks a baby can feel pain.
" Who in the world would hold a tiny baby in their hand and just squish it and rip it apart?"
Nobody does this. What kind of nonsense are you going on about? Did you watch some fake videos on the internet and thought they were real?
"Would you kill a one year old child"
No, I've states that even abortions post 21 weeks of gestation is questionable; although I'd like to expand on that and say they should only occur if the life of the mother is at stake.
Essentially, you want to remove the freedom of choice for women because of your religious beliefs.
Let me ask you this. If you remove the concept of a soul, and the concept of God, is there a viable argument for granting personhood to a fetus before 21 weeks?
Essentially, how do you grant personhood without personhood.
Who in the world would hold a tiny baby in their hand and just squish it and rip it apart?
Would you kill a one year old child?
why? why when it has such potential. I don't mean at the time before fertilization. such time the likely hood of becoming human is minimal but once fertilized the chance rises expontionaly does it not?
we are made by God. besides that life is precious and matters all the time.
of course my response is generalized, there are exceptions on both the left and right. I hope my opponent acknowledges that as well
the left is the moral one for everyone already born. the right cried foul over unborn people, but forgets every lesson of humanity for those already in this world.
if I may interject. a human is worthy of moral consideration above any other animals because it is a human who is doing the considering. just like your family is worthy of more consideration then someone else's to you, even though your family is not that important to someone else.
we feel kinship to others of our species to a much greater degree than to any other form of life.
the question is, is the fetus a full fledged human. I mean it does have human dna, but so does a severed fingered. a severed finger is not a human.
the fetus has the potential to become a human, therefore it has the potential to have rights. until then, it's not and it doesnt.
20 weeks thats hilarious. no one values life anymore especially the left
This is getting a bit circular. Allow me to ask you a few questions.
Why are humans worthy of moral consideration?
because it is human. it is alive. I would rather help single mothers or poor families than even having a chance of murdering children.
how many times was that to directly kill children? also are u comparing abortion to war and death? we as any good nation do not just go around murdering children.
You really need to stop making claims by assertion and start making arguments.
You have still not demonstrated why a fetus with none of the capacities of a person nor consciousness is worthy of consideration.
We do in fact kill children all the time. How many children have been killed by bombings during times of war? We consider their value, their personhood and make the determination that the loss of their life is less valuable than the defeat of our enemies. So your assertion here is not even grounded in reality.
we do not ever kill children like this though. this is bad.
I never said that we don't kill them. I simply said they are worthy of consideration. So we consider their worth, their suffering, the benefit vs suffering when we kill them etc...
We of course, grant humans higher consideration (because they have personhood and consciousness), however, that doesn't mean we don't kill humans either. We most certainly do.
Consideration doesn't mean that we can't kill something or harm it, it simply means that we must consider whether the act of harming them is beneficial, necessary, or just vile (if done for pleasure with no regard for the suffering of the individual being harmed). I doubt, for example, that you'd say killing a dog just for the pleasure of it is morally right. I also doubt that causing unnecessary suffering when slaughtering cows is morally just in your moral code.
We can demonstrate this further by looking at the outrage over videos showing us the practices of industrial cattle farming.
Consideration doesn't mean we have to abstain from killing or harming an entity deemed worthy of consideration. It simply means we have to consider their life and its value before acting in a way that affects its quality of life or its status of life. The amount of consideration increases as our understanding of an entities consciousness and intellect increases (as intellect is the foundation of personhood). So we grant more consideration to animals like apes than we do to animals like cows, etc...
we don't really think all conscious life is worth consideration. you listed dogs and cats, but cattle and pigs are equally mammals yet we slaughter them with barely a thought. the real distinction is in the human aspect.
"what about the consideration of the baby you inconsiderate prick"
Haha, ad hominem attacks are a great start to a constructive debate. You really must be an intellectual powerhouse to immediately stoop to such low levels.
I have already stated, that a baby is worthy of consideration since it has consciousness. However, an embryo isn't a baby, it's a cluster of cells. A fetus before 21 weeks also can't possibly be conscious
"youre okay with it just getting vacuumed out of a womb killing its heartbeat spine brain taking off arms legs removing the eyes tongue and fingers and you call it a fetus when the child has everything you have"
This is a sad appeal to emotion rather than a rational argument. What abortion procedure involves removing the eyes, tongue, fingers, etc...? That's just a ridiculous statement designed only to cause an emotional reaction since you obviously lack the ability to defend your position through logic and support your claims with actual evidence.
"this world we live in is pathetic with week people who cant step up and be a man. to have the will power to raise a child that would love so much of being born and having a life to live"
This is where you display your sexism and projecting your own feelings rather than analyzing the reality of the situation.
First, abortions aren't a man's choice. I don't know where you live, but in most free societies, abortions are a woman's choice.
Second, a fetus has no capacity to desire anything before 21 weeks of gestation. You're projecting your own desire to live onto something which isn't capable of having a desire.
You are way too emotional about this topic to argue rationally. Sit back, figure out how to justify your claims and stop using personal attacks and appeals to emotion to make your case. These are not convincing tactics in debate since they actually fall under logical errors called fallacies.
This is a clear case of an inability to rationally look at the opposing side and engage in a constructive an interesting debate. Grow up.
we arnt machines. we have worth by simply being here. the thought process of having different amount of worth is usually associated with Hitler
why would it not? this is a child we are talking about. if we don't mess with it it will grow up and have a life. who are we to take something like that away?
No, you have to prove their worth before consciousness. I have demonstrated that we don't have special consideration for life without consciousness. Otherwise, it wouldn't be socially acceptable to kill ants, spiders, etc...
I'm asking you, why does potential automatically mean something is worthy of consideration? You keep repeating that it simply is without justification. Justify your position. You just keep making claims without supporting your claim.
what about the consideration of the baby you inconsiderate prick. thats a human and youre okay with it just getting vacuumed out of a womb killing its heartbeat spine brain taking off arms legs removing the eyes tongue and fingers and you call it a fetus when the child has everything you have. this world we live in is pathetic with week people who cant step up and be a man. to have the will power to raise a child that would love so much of being born and having a life to live
worthy of consideration? they have to prove their worth before they get a chance to live?
I don't think that is definitive is it not?
because unlike any other these "cells" will be children. I don't approve of child murder.
I would believe any being alive would want to be considered. certainly would take an interest.
That's a false analogy since a child not having undergone puberty is still conscious and capable of personhood, so that child would be worthy of consideration.
I would also say that a baby has consciousness and thus is worthy of consideration. However, a fetus does not have consciousness or personhood.
So what makes a cluster of cells more special than another cluster of cells. Why does the potential for consciousness affect pre-conscious consideration?
Let's put it this way: if I make a decision, but you have no vested interest in the decision making or the outcome of my decision, why are you worthy of consideration in my decision making? A fetus has no vested interest in being born, it has no ability to feel pain (before 21 weeks), so why should it be worthy of consideration when it come to the decision to terminate a pregnancy? At the early stages of embryonic development a tapeworm has a more vested interest in living than a fetus does.
which a baby has the potential of getting. what ur saying is like if u do not gain puberty at such and such time then it's my right to kill u. would u eventually go through it? yes. should that affect our choice? most definitely.
What does probability of developing consciousness or personhood have to do with consideration? Again, we don't value life, we value consciousness and personhood. Can you demonstrate a single instance where we value unconscious life?
We do value conscious life however, not just human. We value the life of dogs, horses, monkeys, apes, etc... but I doubt you'd say we extend the same consideration to fungi, bacteria, plants, Amoebas, etc....
but such a process of awareness starts at fertilization. at that point u could leave the egg and the likely hood of it becoming a full child is extremely high. unlike before hand where there is zero chance. this is why I do not believe abortion should be legal but before we make it illegal we need to set up education and financial help for the parent or parents.
Since the topic states at contraception, not conception, I actually assumed this was a troll topic at first.
If this is supposed to be a debate about abortion, then I'd say it's irrelevant when life begins. Life is not in any way special or worthy of consideration. The only thing that is worthy of consideration is consciousness. We don't consider bacteria to be worthy of special consideration, nor are fungi, ants, flies, etc...
Since consciousness is really the only thing we care about, and to a greater degree personhood, it only makes sense to stop abortions at about 21 weeks of gestation (the earliest brainwaves can be detected). This would be the most conservative way to avoid killing an entity with consciousness and perhaps even personhood (although, I'd argue personhood happens much later).
according to who?
big papa, heart beat signifies a life. Moment heart stops, we'll die.
why heart and not liver or kidney? what is the significance of a simple pump?
abortion should be made illegal after first heart beat
I'm stating a fact. whether you feel abortion on day 1 is wrong or right the cells that make up the fetus were very much alive before conception therefore, no, life does not begin at conception. how is stating reality dumb? if you can tell me when any of the relevant components of the fetus were not alive then it is your question which is dumb.
life began over a billion years ago, whether from the breathe of God or the combination of molecules, and it has been an unbroken continuous chain since then there have been no other beginnings.
the question is when does it become an individual with rights.
well sayings its continuous is dumb im confused are you pro life or pro choice you're saying there is no beginning. but when the egg and sperm meet i believe life starts right there a beautiful child being created and abortion is killing an innocent child
I didn't say that.... I said life doesn't have a beginning. it's continuous.
how the hell are twisting my words so much. it's a simple concept, and no it doesn't mean anything else.
I am saying literally.... the sperm and the egg were both alive before conception, and at no point was anything in the chain of life not alive.
probably the dumbest thing i ever heard
so youre saying killing me right now would be the same as abortion to a child in the womb?
it doesnt.
it's continuous.
at what point before conception is anything dead?
The moment your heart pumps blood through auricles and ventricles.
so tell me when does life actually begin. you must know
lol. life doesn't begin at conception! at what point were any of the pre conception parts not alive?
life is continuous.


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——–Twilight Released 11/21/08 Rated: PG-13 Let me just start off saying that I have read the books. For where I was in my life, they were good. Simple, but a good enough story.
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Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
Released 6/4/04 Rated: PG The Prisoner of Azkaban is the third installment of the Harry Potter series. However it is the first to take on a new director, and while I do believe that Hollywood needs some experimental directors, I … Continue reading
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What's it like to have an at home family photo session with me on a Saturday afternoon? Well, it's a lot like just hanging out with your family at home on a Saturday afternoon! Maybe minus the walking around in your pajamas in slippers…. although this is certainly not against the rules!
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Ahhh…spring is in the air. Birds are chirping, the sun is shining, blooms are blooming, farmers are planting, and the USDA is busy releasing attaché reports.
Ok, that last one isn't exactly a springtime staple, but it does occur like clockwork every April, and these reports often go unnoticed despite their importance.
The Foreign Agricultural Service is responsible for publishing Global Agricultural Information Network Reports, which are commonly called attaché reports because they are made possible by U.S. ambassadors' in-country agricultural attachés. These country-by-country write-ups detail crop conditions and policy actions. And for people blessed with the patience to wade through loads of information, they provide a great snapshot of the global subsidies that are distorting world markets.
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Leisure and Sport Area 'La Torre d'en Guiu' (El Catllar)
The tower d'en Guiu is located on a site on the outskirts of El Catllar, formerly used as a campsite. In an environment defined by the river Gaià and a significant mass of trees, the City wanted to recover the play area and simultaneously expand the range of sports activities for the people (swimming and tennis).
The proposal is seen as an activity that respects the environment and the pre-existing area, but with the clear intention to restructure it and thus enhance it's use keeping it's character.
The space is organized through walls that act as a time element delimiters, banks and containment systems for users. These are arranged so that the main circulation focuses visually towards the central space as a whole, intended for festive activities for the people.
Proposal set comes complete with two buildings that serve different purposes in the field: the first with the bar and the changing room at the pool, and the second with the changing room and services for both sports courts for initiatives developed on the immediate scene.
With regard to the maximum integration of the intervention in this privileged environment, the building attached to the boundaries of the site. This will achieve two purposes: freeing up the space for the outdoor activities, as well as avoing the sight of the neighbours parking area (used for caravans).
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Edinburgh-born Cara Ellison goes from games journo to Paradox Interactive chief
FEISTY game star Cara Ellison is the role model to others that she never had as a kid.
The Scot admits she doubted women could make a career in the industry because it seemed targeted at the guys.
But she has changed that perception with an influential job as a critic before letting her creative juices flow on the development team.
She admitted: "I don't think I thought games could be for me until the era of Tomb Raider, Simcity 2000 and Dungeon Keeper, but by that time PlayStation had started to market games specifically to men and Nintendo called their portable console a 'Gameboy' which seemed to indicate that games weren't really for women.
"Of course, women were playing games secretly. Probably there are grandmas out there who could whoop my ass at Tetris.
"But now it's much more accepted that women are part of the industry and want to see games made for them.
"Women characters seem to get made more often now."
She had also feared there would be no openings for her in the UK. She added: "Games only seemed to be made in the US and Japan, but I hardly ever saw any role models in the industry as a kid."
While doing her English degree in Edinburgh, Cara wrote the narrative for an educational app for children. She said: "That was my first paid games work.
"I worked in publishing in Edinburgh and was a QA tester on Grand Theft Auto IV at Rockstar Games, went travelling, joined BBC Radio for a time then fell into writing about games as a critic.
"I started making my own little games — portfolio pieces for places like Arkane, where I was hired for Dishonored 2, and later for other major studios.
"My job is generally referred to as 'narrative design'. It is about 50 per cent design, 30 per cent production skills, and about 20 per cent writing, which is the very last thing you do in the process."
Along the way she was writing for the likes of PC Gamer, Rock, Paper, Shotgun and The Guardian.
However, she said: "I am no longer a games critic, mainly because I haven't got time to play other people's games very often, but more because it feels difficult and hypocritical to write about my colleagues' games now."
She is making her own headlines with games like Void B******s — adding her own small slice of Scottishness along the way.
Cara said: "Ben Lee, the art director, interviewed me for the job. Davey Wreden, who made The Stanley Parable, recommended me.
"Jon Chey and Ben already had an idea for a System Shock-based tactical game. We talked about the Red Dwarf books and their dark humour, and we got talking about Terry Gilliam's Brazil. Void
B******s is very much inspired by British bureaucratic processes — in particular the welfare and unemployment system. The UK has been ruined by a Tory government and years of austerity.
People are exhausted and demeaned by how little regard our government has for human life."
The game also features "ion-bru" and Scottish pirates, but Cara insisted: "I try to keep my Scottishness to a minimum on a lot of projects because most of my work comes from the US and Canada, and those jokes are not really found consistently funny there. No one would know what Irn-Bru is there really.
"I do occasionally have trouble with the terms that Americans, in particular, use for things. I wrote 'hob' in a design document the other day and no one in my office knew I meant 'stove'.
"I don't get to write Scots very often so when the Void B******s team was like 'go wild', I wrote the pirates and some of the Juve lines with the most Scottish swearing I knew how to muster. Then they made me voice the pirates, which is the ultimate punishment for a writer.
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"I enjoy the variety of language Scottish people have access to when they get angry. I only really appreciate it now I live in Seattle and people are way too polite."
Cara's next game, Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodlines 2, is also on the horizon and she was at the recent E3 exhibition, right, to show it off.
She said: "I guess I never thought an interactive fiction enthusiast would be writing a game that everyone has waited for since about 2005. It feels terrifying, which is exactly the way it should feel. Brian Mitsoda and believe that if you're a writer who isn't scared about how your writing will be received you might not be any good any more. The anxiety keeps the fire hot."
However, working on such a loved franchise brought its own stress. Cara said: "The pressure is sometimes unbearable, but working with the writer who designed the first one helps a lot.
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"He really knows what he's doing. He's effortlessly funny and interesting with everything he writes. I think he's probably the industry's best-kept secret.
"I'm a fan of the original. Brian hired me because I wrote about the writing in Bloodlines 1, and Annie Mitsoda, who is his wife and a talented narrative designer, was a fan of my writing from a long time ago. It's possible she is responsible for my being here. She is very powerful."
But Masquerade 2 is almost the perfect project. She said: "I love writing vampires. They are scary and sexy and monstrous. They hate and manipulate each other every night. I have a couple other things in the works, but not as involved as writing a massive RPG.
"I just like sitting in a little corner with Brian, making him laugh at my bad jokes and writing pretty much what I like every day.
"I like putting two characters in a pressure cooker and watching them explode. If you give me space to do that, I'll do it forever."
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I've had a lot going on and so much to get ready for that I haven't had much time to sit and take a picture or write, but it's time to get back. My Joshua Tree weekend helped me get back.
A couple months ago, Tyson and I went to a destination wedding at Joshua Tree National Park. I hadn't been to Joshua Tree as of yet.
I don't know how or why I hadn't been to Joshua Tree yet because I have driven by the exit many of times on the way to Palm Springs, Borrego Springs and Indian Wells, but i finally made it to this amazing place. Joshua Tree is pure relaxation and God knows that Tyson and I needed some R&R together away from our daily grind. We've been grinding hard!
So in the middle of our crazy schedule, Tyson and I took a much needed road trip from Los Angeles to Joshua Tree National Park for TK's clients wedding. In typical Kilmer fashion the wedding snuck up on us. I had RSVP'd some months back, but you know how it gets when you're extremely busy. Yikes! We both forgot the date because we've been so crazy with all our projects. Tyson was actually in Toronto during the week working with another client when Mike (groom) called to ask where we were staying? Holy shit, I forgot to book an Airbnb, but luck was on our side and we found the most amazing charming bungalow right by the wedding party's motel and location for the reception.
The weekend turned out to be a much needed parents only get away. We partied hard, danced all night and caught up on some much needed sleep/recovery from too much drinking, just what a hard working couple needs to do to blow off steam.
The wedding took place inside the park, very unique but super cool. We were all bused into the park for the wedding ceremony . The drive gave us a chance to view how magical Joshua Tree park is. There were these amazing rock formations and natural wonders of nature that were breath taking and very spiritual.
Then after the ceremony we were all bused back to the boutique motel. Mojave Sands Motel, which only has five rooms, is perfect for a small wedding and reception. It had a rustic vibe but in lovely dessert style!
From our AirBnB, we were able to walk down to the main street and had a very yummy breakfast at this charming dive restaurant Crossroads Cafe.
Just the basic fried eggs, bacon and toast chased all down with this Cactus Flower Cocktail with cranberry orange juice and champagne. Yeah, I'm ripping this cocktail for a party here at my home, not my greatest picture but very tasty for a post hangover cocktail.
After two glorious days in the dessert, Tyson and I hit the road early Sunday afternoon to make it back to LA before the heavy traffic hit. We really enjoyed our few days lost in the dessert community. We had the most incredible weekend in Joshua Tree National Park and plan on returning soon.
Have you been to Joshua Tree National Park? And if you have, let me know what you loved most about this relaxing environment?


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Occupy Central
Last night, as the protest escalated through the night, the police shot tear gas into the crowds in order to clear the roads. Before this, I was still fairly indifferent to the strikes and protests that were happening. I admired the protectors for fighting for what they believe in but as an outsider, it was not my place to take a side. After witnessing this unfold though, I stand with the Hong Kong people. For their future, they are fighting for democracy. A lot of people still stand with the status quo believing that it's best to leave things as they are. Things will only get worse though if we don't make a stand today. Slowly the media is being censored and soon even the democratic government in place now, will be replaced. I fear for such a future for Hong Kong even if I am only an exchange here for a semester. That's why I too will go and make a stand. It might not mean much but I want to show my support for the Hong Kong people.
Chinese Painting
Out of the 5 classes I am taking here, one of them is Creativity and Chinese Painting, I really wanted to take ceramics but I wasn't allowed to, so I decided to take this class instead. I know I'm supposed to be majoring in business and everything but I also want to try things here that I won't have an opportunity to try elsewhere. I am so excited for this class. I've done a bit of calligraphy when I was small but Chinese painting is something new to me. Today I went to buy the supplies for class. Some of this stuff was actually quite expensive. I had to get 3 different types of brushes. The most expensive one was HKD$170. I can't remember but I think the tip was made of rabbit fur. Point is, even amongst brushes, there are so many types and sizes. That's just one row of the many brushes that I saw today. Below are my art supplies. The white tube holds rice paper. The bamboo roll that looks like a sushi roller is used to hold the brushes. The white package is a goat fur blanket used to soak up ink. The black box is this fancy Japanese imported ink that's supposed to be easier to use. There's a flower palette and more colored inks. The last 3 are different types of calligraphy brushes.
So these pictures are actually from the Orientation night the first week I came here. I just couldn't find them till now. That's almost everyone in my hall. And underneath are the girls from my hall. I've grown to really love these people and Soong
Lantau Island
With barely any sleep, we got up really early in the morning and JW and I started our adventure to Lantau Island. We were really tired but also really excited at the same time. This would be our first legit Wednesday series exploration. We transferred trains 3 times and finally made it to Tung Chung. There we headed to the cable car station.
We bought the sky-land-water package. So basically we got to go up the mountain on a glass floored cable car. The package also included a bus ride to Tai-O Fishing Village and a boat ride there.
It was actually kind of scary going up because it was really foggy. This would later turn out to be a good thing because the sun seems so much hotter in Hong Kong. We were so excited looking down though. The landscape view was gorgeous and there were two baby toddlers sitting with us in the same cable car.
Mehehe, first picture of us in the cable car. I'm not scared of heights but I avoided looking down at the water for too long because my head started getting a bit dizzy.
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Food H(e)aven
After a long day of class on Tuesday, Holy decided to bring JW and I to Tin Hau for ramen and dessert. Tin Hau is pretty close to Causeway bay and it is literally filled with amazing restaurants. Just walking down the street, I was determined to come back and try as many as them as I could. We went to get ramen at BB Ramen. I love ramen. Not the instant ramen, but the real japanese ramens. This place was seriously awesome. When you went in, you had a sheet and you could basically construct your ramen, from the broth to the toppings. I chose the pork shoyu because I like the traditional taste. and it came topped with pork, scallions, mushroom, and japanese styled egg. Mine was so rich in flavor. It was a bit heavy on the palette but since I was starving it was perfect. I actually like the richness of the broth because I have a tendency to lean towards more savory dishes. Holy got the squid ink which was surprisingly light and refreshing and JW got the black pepper which was really spicy (at least for me). I love this place. Next time I'm coming here, I'm going to try the pesto ramen hehe :D
It was intense because the instructor went so fast and he spoke only in cantonese so I was having a hard time following along sometimes. It felt good to move though and by the end of it, I had worked up a good sweat. I can't wait for future dance classes. XD
Cooking our first meal
Motivated partially by the hall dinner and mostly by our growing disgust of canteen food, JW and I have decided to start making some of our meals by ourselves. Another reason, is actually that minor case of food poisoning that I got from canteen food but that's another story. We wanted to eat healthier so we went to the market and bought fresh veggies, fruit and eggs and cooked! The dish on the left is chinese kale, pork and scrambled egg. The one on the right is stir-fried onions, eggplant, tomato and mushroom. It was so simple but we were so happy because the food wasn't oily or fatty and we were actually eating vegetables. I didn't know I missed veggies so much till today. So happy, full and clean-feeling~
Egg tarts =D
Floor Dinner
Everything here is dorm-made by us. One of my favorites was the scrambled eggs with prawns. It was really flavorful. Another one I really like was the chopped up pork meat with salted duck egg. We actually bought pieces of pork and chopped it ourselves. The coco-cola chicken wings were also amazing because we bought tofu-puffs and put them in to soak up the sauces of wings. There was even a korean fushion dish, dukbokki. We were all so full and happy by the end of it and there was still so much food left. Shoo happy X3
Overall I had a great day and night with my floor mates. Everyone is so friendly and open. HKBU is definitely a very inclusive school. The culture here is amazing because people are so willing to go out of their way to make you feel at home. Like I tell JW all the time, I'm so glad I chose HKBU.
So much pain
I am in so much pain right now.. I can't even...OTL
My muscles hurt so much from my fingers all the way to my feet. I worked out way too much these last few days. On top of that, there was dance and volleyball practice too. It hurts even to walk now. All I want to do now is just lie on my bed and stare at the ceiling.
I did go out though. For lunch and dinner lolz. JW wanted sushi so we walked all the way to Lok Fu for it. What I learned was that, I was in no condition to be outside and that walking downstairs actually hurt more than walking upstairs. But we got sushi and tea eggs YAY~ I love Hong Kong just cause takeout sushi is so cheap here. A box of sashimi costs like USD$3. In the states, a box that size would cost about maybe $15-20. We come here so much that even the cashier recognizes us. But then again, a lot of people seem to remember us when we buy food there. HAHA
We also got tea eggs from a legit herbal tea place. If you went into the store, you could see bowls of herbal tea sitting everywhere. The tea eggs would be simmering in a pot of tea and other herbs. They're soooooo good >_< I've always loved tea eggs but they just seem to taste better in Hong Kong. The cashier was really nice to us. Again.. I think she remembers us cause we've come to her store a few times already. The food was def worth the walk, even with all the pain.
So this is actually a food post if you haven't realized yet.
For dessert, we had the cake we bought this afternoon from the canteen. Weekends are our cake days. We really wanted to get cakes from Panash because they're so good. But we took a risk and bought them from the canteen. We got the mango mousse cake and the german cheese cake. The mango mousse was good but I hated the german cheese cake. There were raisins in it... That's just wrong... I wouldn't go back to the canteen for cake. I don't regret getting it though because it's fun to try new foods. Sometimes there are hits and sometimes there are misses. That's just how life is. XD
VB everywhere I go
YAY TO VOLLEYBALL. Okay, so I might have a slight obsession with volleyball. I wanted to join if there was a team but since there wasn't a girl's team for this semester, I joined the next best thing, which was Hall Volleyball. It's kind of like our intramural vb back at home because guys and girls play together. Instead of playing as a club though, you play with people who live in the same hall as you. I met a lot of new friends today and it was nice playing again after so long. I wish we played some more though. Sometimes I hate being a girl because that means people just assume that you're small and weak. RAWR. I need to be more active.. Honestly it wasn't even much of a workout for me today...
Last night was the first dance club meetup. It didn't help that I was late because of a gym introductory course (which I'm actually sore as heck from right now). I rushed over there as soon as I could but they had already begun. It was fun though. Something really common here are O-Camps & O-nights where you build friendships and team bonds with people in your group through games and other activities. For me though, it was the first time I experienced something like this. I had a really great time during the games and the group dance. Our group danced to Timber and it wasn't a hard dance to learn but my chinese wasn't as great as I thought.... When they said right left right left left in Cantonese, I got so confused because I couldn't remember which word was right and which word was left.... OTL moment. I seriously need to fix up my Cantonese. (on a side note, I also need to learn to read and write Chinese hahahha....) But overall it was a great time. I met a whole bunch of new local friends and that was pretty amazing. Just dancing together with them felt awesome. Can't wait to dance with them again.
I can't even describe how much I love this song.. especially at this moment...
Exploring Wan Chai
So today we went exploring in Wan Chai. It's a stop on the blue line of the mtr and it's 2 stops from Central. JW and I had no idea where we were going and we thought we'd just walk around. We saw a lot but it felt kinda pointless because we were just walking around in circles without any idea of what we wanted to see or find. We passed by an underpass where we saw aunties hitting pieces of paper. It's the chinese equivalent of the voodoo doll and it's supposed to bring bad luck to the person you "hit."
I was so happy to get out of the wet market, I was literally gleaming with joy. We decided to continue exploring the smaller streets and we found a street food shop. The waffles looked pretty good so we ordered one and we also ordered 2 skewers of shumais. I have never tasted shumais like that and honestly they tasted pretty floury and without much taste. The waffle was pretty good. The guy was really nice and made us a fresh one instead of giving us the ready made ones. So that's the waffle up there and inside it's filled with a peanut sauce, condensed milk and sugar. It was so sweet and rich. It's definitely one of the heavier waffles I've had. We were so tired at this point but we decided to check out toy street and a restaurant that was recommended by Holy, 鳳城小食. It's a pretty famous local restaurant around there. There was no english menu so I had to actually order in cantonese. They're famous for their porkchop buns so we ordered that and we ordered soup noodles. It would've been nice if there were seats there, but since there wasn't we just got everything in takeout and came back to chill in our dorm. We were almost back when it started pouring. By the time we were back, we were drenched but it was fun running through the rain with the food. Good times.. =3
Cheers to a good night
Then we headed over to LKF, the expat bar zone. We went at around 8pm and the place was the cleanest I'd ever seen it. It wasn't terribly crowded and we could actually talk to each other without yelling. We were headed up the street towards this restaurant and bar called Lily and Bloom. They were having a wine tasting and we just wanted a nice place to sit down and have a drink.
I absolutely loved this place. Everything about it was just perfect. The lighting, the ambiance, the music, and even our server. She was from Germany and she was the friendliest little woman ever. She also suggested some really great wines for each of us personally. We started off with a sparkling wine before moving on to the white wines which are my favorite.
It was an eventful night and definitely one of my favorite nights here. It was nice and relaxing just sitting and chatting over a drink instead of hitting the clubs on the lower levels like the other exchange students. Cheers to a night of good food and company~
Typhoon & Sushi
This is the first typhoon I've witnessed since I got here. Right now it's a Number 3 Warning Signal but it's supposed to get to Number 8 by 11 tonight. Hopefully what that means is that there won't be class tomorrow. Though I would be kind of sad because I haven't had a single Tuesday class yet since I got here. The only class I'm actually looking forward to is tomorrow, Creative Chinese Painting. At the same time though, I'm kind of lazy and I just want to sleep in all day tomorrow. But anyways back to the sushi. At 7, I had the most random craving for sushi and I definitely did not want canteen food again. So I made my way over to Lok Fu plaza to buy sushi. I also bought these cold chicken wings and some grapes. Ironically, the grapes were more expensive than the other two combined. By the time I left though, the wind had picked up. It was pouring pretty hard and the gusts of wind were erratic and heavy. Walking back, I was just praying I wouldn't get hit by lightening because I really wanted the sushi. Not sure if the sushi was worth walking into a typhoon for though. Right now the wind is howling like crazy and I hear a lot of people screaming outside.... and I'm bundled up nice and cozy in my bed.
10:50 pm : Typhoon Signal 8 is officially hoisted
Electronics in 深水埗
After we saw the monkeys, we moved on to Sham Sui Po 深水埗. It is an area in Hong Kong known for its electronics market. Everything was so cheap and anything you will ever need or anything you didn't even know you needed can be found here. There is an underground mall filled with stores like this. You would see phone chargers, adapters, cables, sound systems, and even tvs just dangling from the ceilings. There would be multiple models and colors to choose from and best of all, everything here is considerably cheaper than prices in actual stores. Normally tourists wouldn't come here because there aren't any famous sites in 深水埗. Since only locals come here, prices are always extremely cheap. I needed to buy a portable charger and there were so many to choose from. I ended up getting this pink one for 99HKD$ which is dirt cheap by American standards. It's pretty and it holds a 10,400 mAh charge which means my phone won't ever die from now on.
OHHHH and we also went to a really local store called Wai Gay. They're most famous for their noodles with pork liver. Since I couldn't bring myself to eat that, we ended up just getting waffles with gaya and milk tea. Even those were pretty good. I'm still finding the whole sharing a table with random strangers thing a bit strange. But then again, when we're in a local place, we do what the locals do. They must be really famous for their noodles because they have 3 stores open almost right next to each other on the same block...
After we finished shopping at 深水埗, we went back to Holy's place near Lok Fu to have dinner. We had hot pot!! There was so much food on the table that we couldn't even finish. The best thing though was that everything was extremely fresh. The prawns were still alive and jumping and so were the clams. The meatballs and fishballs here are so much better than in the U.S. The texture is more bouncy and the flavor is so much sweeter. I even tried things I've never had before. I had deep fried fish skin which is exactly what it sounds like. You can either eat it as it is or soak it in the hot pot soup for a bit before eating. I also had these rolls of bean curd that you soaked in soup for 2 seconds. I didn't even know they existed before but they were so good. They were so soft and flavorful after soaking in the soup base. We were so full by the end of the night and there was even soup. Homemade soup is still the best thing ever. Yet again, we are so grateful to Holy and her family for their hospitality. They are seriously the most friendly people alive and their entire family is so warm and inviting.
3 legged monkey
Today, Holy's dad brought us to Monkey Mountain. The monkeys there are borderline domesticated. You can walk right up to them and they won't run away. A lot of families bring their children there. They also bring a lot of food with them to feed the monkeys. You can literally hold out some food and the monkeys will walk right up to you and take the food from your hand. The first monkey I saw only had 3 legs. One of his legs was probably bitten off in a fight.
Personally I don't like how unafraid the monkeys were of humans. Apartment buildings were built directly across the street from this mountain. According to Holy's dad, these monkeys will often times climb into people's homes looking for food. Because there is such a limit on space in Hong Kong, they are developing more homes into the mountains. This reduces the amount of space, these monkeys have to live. At the same time however, because people are feeding these monkeys, their population has also increased significantly. With more monkeys and less space to live, all they can do is fight for dominance. In the end, the monkeys are ultimate victims of urbanization.
DIY Project
That's my new DIY project up there. I like to draw in my spare time and what better way to use the free tote HKBU gave us. So my goal is to draw the places I've visited. I know there's no way I can draw every place I've been to. What I can do though, is draw all the major places. Hopefully by the end of the year, this entire bag will be covered with landmarks from all over Hong Kong.
For dinner today, I got Viet food. I was trying to decide between a cold noodle and pho. In the end I chose pho because the picture looked really good. Clearly it didn't come out as the picture and I really regretted that I got this. Last year, I had food poisoning from eating pho. I got really sick and after that, every time I would try to eat pho, my body would try to reject it. Psychologically my body would tell me to puke it back out. Thank god, I didn't puke it out but by the end of the meal, I was feeling a bit nauseous. I think this is the last time I'll be eating pho ever again.
Guest & Host Customs
I woke up early today and got out of bed all happy and looking forward to a new day =D
Okay, that's a lie.
This morning was pretty miserable. I had gotten back at 3 something last night because there was a Babson meetup in LKF. I kept waking up and I skyped Brian for a while so I might have gotten 2 or 3 hours of sleep total. Early this morning though, my dad's friend called me and told me he was at my school. I just blinked for a while before I realized I had totally forgotten I had made plans to get dim sum with his family. So I rushed out of bed, took a quick shower and ran downstairs. My head was feeling pretty messed up but I put on a smile and greeted my "uncle."
He was so nice. He brought me over to his place and his wife gave me some ginseng soup that she had made earlier that morning just for me. That warmed me down to my soul hehe. I talked with his father for a while because their family was really close to my dad. It was nice hearing about their exploits when they were young. Then they treated me to dim sum at the Homantin Plaza nearby. They treated me so kindly that I was taken aback. I didn't really know how to respond when they told me to come by more often for dinner and soup. I just nodded and smiled.
What I realized here, is that local HK people are extremely hospitable and kind to their guests. Holy, my suitemate, is the best example of this. She invited us to her family's mid-autumn fest dinner and we were treated really kindly by her family (previous post). Now, this family whom I barely knew through my dad was also treating me equally as kindly. I was perplexed by this cultural difference so I decided to do a bit of research. It turns out that once Chinese people view you as a guest, they will do everything they can to make your experience warm, especially if you're a foreigner. I am so thankful to these people because they have truly gone out of their way to make me feel at home in Hong Kong.
Here's some more information about Chinese Guest & Host Customs
Soong VB
Fighting the burn
Today has legit got to be my laziest day ever. So after we got out of class, my roomie, JiWon (JW from now on) and I were feeling like complete bums. So what we ended up doing was eating microwavable meals and ramen for dinner. It was kinda fun. I learned that XO sauce flavored ramen tastes better than spicy beef ramen (though JW thinks the opposite). Yay for exotic ramen flavors in Hong Kong lolz. We also had dragon fruit for dessert. The inside was blood red and JW got kinda creeped out because she never had them before. They weren't as sweet as the ones I had before, but I was definitely feeling a lot cleaner after eating that dragon fruit.
~Fast Forward: had to watch Memento in the library because of class & then came back, decided we wanted to gym but in the end didn't because we were too lazy (it's alright though, cause I already went once in the morning), so I ended up showering and then skyping Brian for a bit~
After doing the face masks though, I started having these really weird cravings to snack. I really wanted potato chips all of a sudden but everything's closed at this hour. And for some reason, I ended up on instagram which made me even hungrier.
Here's one of the pictures I saw. For those who know me, they'll know I have a weak spot for salmon sashimi and avocado. After I saw this, I just got really hungry, like insanely hungry. I WANT TO EAT THIS SO MUCH RIGHT NOW, LIKE I CAN'T EVEN. So I decided to make my friends suffer with me, and sent this to make them hungry as well.
Boat trip
The day after mid-autumn fest is a public holiday in Hong Kong. No SCHOOL!!!
So I went out on a boat trip with some new friends I made in church. It was a gorgeous day. The sun was out but it wasn't like really hot. We got to TST piers and got on the boat. I had no idea where we were going but they drove 40 mins until they came to the outskirting islands of Hong Kong. The water and air was cleaner, which is saying a lot for Hong Kong. They parked the boat a little off the coast and we just had fun on the water all day. I tried banana boating for the first time. It was hilarious because we kept flipping and never have I ever tasted water so salty in the states. I also learned that jumping off the second story of a boat hurts like crazy. It was fun though and by the end of it, my face was sunburnt. We came back and ended the day with more Gong Cha bubble tea, for a day well spent out on the open waters.
A Traditional Mid-Autumn Fest
Yesterday was mid-autumn festival!! It's a holiday to celebrate the full moon and there's always plenty of moon cakes around this time. This year as so different from the usual. My suitemate Holy invited us to her home in Cheung Chau, an island 40 minutes away from Central by ferry, for a family meal. It was so fun and the food was really good too. Her entire family was there so it was noisy but happy at her home. There were little kids running around while her grandma who was in her 80's brought us food. What was most amazing was that she had cooked everything herself and there were over 20 dishes on the table!! There were fresh prawns, abalone, and 2 different types of fish because people still fished on the island. My favorite was the fish. I had never tasted fish so sweet and soft before. There was chicken, duck, pork and beef in different dishes. It was simply amazing. When we finished there was still so much food left but we just could not eat anymore. I would've taken a picture of the food but it seemed rather inappropriate. I can still remember the tastes though. My roommate and I were joking about how this was probably going to be the best meal we'd have in Hong Kong.
I thought it was kinda sad though because instead of playing with traditional lanterns, all the local kids and teenagers were instead playing with glow sticks and LED toys. I know it's fun for me because I am a tourist and I'd never played with them before. It's just I find it a bit of a shame that western cultures are slowly replacing traditional customs.
That's us on her rooftop eating mooncake and fruit. I think all we did was keep eating non-stop and we honestly couldn't stop because everything was so deliciously amazing.
CLUBS (not clubbing)
BUDA: Baptist U Dance Association
The day before yesterday was the club fair and I wanted to join sooo many clubs but I realized I wouldn't have enough time, energy or money for all of them. You actually have to pay membership fees for clubs here but thank God they're not that expensive. I decided to finally join a dancing club. I've always wanted to but I never had the guts to join one or I never had the time to. Most of it was me making excuses though. The thing I love about study abroad is that you get to be a freshman all over again. You get to try new things and it's okay if you mess up horribly. At the end of day, it's all a beautiful experience and memory.
Getting lost for bubble tea
Saturday morning: My roomie and I drag ourselves out of bed at 11am... eat the leftover cake from the fridge and try to figure out what to do for the rest of the day. Groggy as we were, we knew we wanted European food so we headed to the only European cafe we knew of in the area. It's called Euro gogo and the interior design and music did have an Italian cafe kind of feel. But it was definitely Chinese with all the people rushing around and talking. Even the food seemed to have a bit of a Chinese touch. So we ordered the Spaghetti with pesto, hawaiian pizza, and mushrooms stuffed with cheese and bacon. The mushroom was hands down the best. They were so juicy and the cheese was so good..... The pesto was interesting... lololz... It's definitely very different from the pesto I've had before, like very different. The only thing similar was that it was green. The taste didn't even taste like basil but nonetheless it was good in its own way. The pizza was pretty bland. The ham was very chinese and the cheese didn't have much flavor to it. I love mozarella but that was the most fail pizza I've eaten in my life. I think that will be the last time we'll be attempting anything European for a while.
After the interesting Italian food, we had the weirdest craving for gong cha. Gong Cha is this really famous taiwanese bubble tea chain that sells the best bubble tea in HK. So as spontaneous as we are, we hopped on a train all the way to MongKok specially for bubble tea. Then we got lost. Google maps told us to walk in circles and the store wasn't even there. I was clearly pronouncing the name of the place wrong because I just got blank stares from the locals when I asked for directions. Finally we found the place but not after we'd walked circles in MongKok, passing by the ladies' market twice. It was worth it though. Best bubble tea in the world. There are so many flavors to choose from and you can even pick your own amounts of sugar and ice. What's better was that right next door was a street food store. We ended up getting fishballs and hot cakes. Then we just stood on the sidewalk and ate our food like locals. We were sweating like crazy but it was worth it. It is so true when people say that getting lost is the best way to get to know your way around.
At night, I met up with a friend at TST which is right opposite Central, the financial district of Hong Kong. Every night at 8pm on the piers, you can look across the harbor and see a light show called Symphony of Lights. It's one of those must see tourist locations. The buildings light up along with the sound of music and there are like lasers and stuff. It was pretty cool except it was starting to get a bit cloudy and when it gets cloudy in HK, you cannot see anything at all. Honestly it wasn't that amazing. Considering Central is already quite bright, the extra lights didn't stand out that much. It's one of those experiences, you have to see once but going a second time really isn't worth it.
Since it was pretty late at night, we decided to just eat at TST. TST is the HK equivalent of 5th avenue in New York City. All the high end brands have a store there and the place is ironically filled with a lot of mainland tourists out shopping. Mainland tourists are actually a problem for the HK people because they drive up real estate prices, and costs of living (similar problem in NYC). There was actually a protest to mainlanders recently at TST where locals threw food at mainlanders coming out of brand name shops. Even though I don't agree with such actions, I do believe something should be done about the situation because it is getting harder for the average locals to get by on their lower salaries. I remember hearing that the average HK person can't really save up money because most of their money goes into paying rent. It's quite sad actually...
Okay, tangent over. So we went to TST for food. The great thing about HK is that under every mall is a food court with every type of cuisine you can possibly imagine. We had taiwanese food for a change and also fried dumplings (which reminded me of Tina haha). There was sooo much meat but then again, Chinese cuisine in general tends to have a lot of meat. That or it's fried in a lot of oil. I could feel my cholesterol going up but the food was pretty good for fast food. There was even soup to finish the meal. This actually made me miss home food quite a bit because my mom makes the best soups.
At TST there is an old European plaza called 1881 Heritage. The architecture is traditional European and the place is so romantic at night. It's designed to take the shape of a boat and there was a huge mast going up next to the tree tower in the middle. The whole place kinda looks like a fairy tale castle. I guess I wasn't the only one who thought that way because as we were walking around, we got to witness a Model photo shoot and a Wedding photo shoot all within an hour. I definitely want to come here again <3
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Dec. 12, 2011
By Matt Winkeljohn
Sting Daily
Monday wasn't my first time around smart people, but it was the most interesting because it was the most recent, and then there's this: Facebook just flew these three Georgia Tech students out to the mother ship to pick their brains.
I'm not intimidated by smart people, but I am wont to jealousy in the presence of folks who are better at distilling ideas than I. Mine is a muddled mind, and while I don't see myself as smaller around bright folks, I do sometimes feel the victim of wonky chemicals in my synapses that prevent cleaner firing of neurons. It's a theory. (Good Lord, did I open myself up to multi-layered ridicule with that.)
Nevermind the recency principle of psychology (Is that still in play? I lernt it a long time ago): Ryan Gomba, Nick McNutt and Douglas Black have something going on.
They're Georgia Tech track & field and cross country student-athletes, and they're so bright that just a week and a half ago, Facebook paid their way to travel to FB headquarters in Palo Alto, Calif., for a couple days of gray matter cultivation.
With candor in mind, I'll state up front that I hope the intellectual properties of Gomba, McNutt & Black aren't ripped off because, as mentioned, they just may have something. If there's gain to be gained, they should gain it.
Here's the deal, as best this author can put it in layman's terms: these guys think the present model of college textbook re-sale is not only inefficient, but a rip-off.
When most of you were in school, there were not internet middle men involved in the process of moving text books after a semester and before the next. It doesn't appear much else has changed; there's a big difference between what middle men pay for used books, and what they charge to re-sell them.
"I've seen a bunch of companies come up with solutions that I think are half-backed and poor. And often times they're…trying to take a cut," said Gomba, a junior distance runner from Hopewell Junction, N.Y.
"I saw a girl ship a book from the Georgia Tech post office to the Georgia Tech post office because another student had purchased that book through Am*z*n. Am*z*n takes $10, it takes her $5 to ship it."
"A lot of times they create a market place, and you have to keep going on the web site, and you have to beat people to it, and spend a lot of time and effort and give your credit card number, you have to go pick it up, they take a cut…it's just a complete dirty mess."
With this basic disgruntlement in mind, and dollars lost in accruing it, Black, Gomba and McNutt have built a program whose goal is to link — via technologies like the internet and cell phone text messaging — buyers and sellers who might make deals both without mark-ups on re-sale and a better price for sellers.
As McNutt, a senior distance runner from Etowah, said, "we want to eliminate the middle man."
Actually, the goal is for this new website — which will hopefully be up and running before fall semester of 2012, to work as the middle man.
So you're wondering where Facebook figures in this, right?
Early last month, the Tech trio competed on campus in something called a hack-a-thon sponsored by the internet giant.
They won.
"They gave us 24 hours to make something. It could be pretty much anything in the computer science field. So people mostly made software products, web pages, mobile applications," Gomba said. "They did this at 14 schools, and the winners got to travel to Palo Alto, Facebook's headquarters."
There, these guys did it again with amplitude.
"We hooked into the Facebook open graph, so when you find a match you can prioritize friends. Every time you want to buy or sell, if your friends happen to have that book or need it, it will tell you right then.
"We also enabled voice and created a mobile app for the iPhone where…you can scan the bar code, and we'll list it and try to find a match. If we have one, then we'll send you a match. If we have a match, you'll probably know it before you put your phone back in your pocket."
I asked at least some of the obvious questions: how do you pay to make this happen? Do you get anything out of it?
"There are a lot of ways to possibly monetize it," McNutt said.
This will come off like typical college pie-in-the-sky-change-the-world-for-free stuff, but Gomba and McNutt — who've been horribly plagued by leg injuries — said they don't want to advertise on the site ("We want to eliminate clutter," McNutt said.).
And they don't see charging a fee. They hope for donations, although they admitted that if this works they'd like to be compensated down the road.
To be clear, the goal is to set up an ON-CAMPUS swap shop rather than send books all over the country. Tech is small enough that a lot of students need the same books, but big enough that it is not easy for students to get the word out to others about what they have for sale or seek to buy.
"Padded envelopes, shipping labels and going to…ship off every book," Gomba lamented. "This cuts out the middle man and makes it easier. Maybe it will put pressure on books stores about the way they do business. We think that it can change the way things happen."
Without being a businessman, my thought is that for this system to support itself it would have to extend beyond the Tech campus and include others, even if most trading were done within campus boundaries.
Ours is, after all, a volume world.
"There's 12 million college students in the United States, and conservatively we'll say that they buy six text books a year, three per semester," Gomba said. "They may lose $20 per transaction (through re-sale markup, shipping costs, etc.), and conservatively that's $1.4 billion lost to companies like Am*z*n, and [others].
"It's surprising that there hasn't been an elegant solution yet."
How interesting that a glitch that is somewhat global in its nature might find a solution in localization.
These are smart people. Gomba is the only computer science major among them. Black, a junior distance runner from Cary, N.C., is a math major, and McNutt is studying chemical engineering, but he's not exactly foreign to fiddling with code.
"I've been programing since I was little. For chemical engineering, I like to go into integrated circuit fabrication, and programming ties into that," he said. "It's just a general interest in computers."
Maybe it's no surprise that McNutt teetered in a global direction. All internet monoliths have a share of free programs and applications, all in place with the idea of building large user bases. From there, possibilities grow toward the possibility of capitalization.
"We have the phone numbers of a lot of people," McNutt said. "We might be able to let them know about different collecting events, or where they can donate."
Key words, not necessarily in order: lot of phone numbers.
I'd like to think there are some folks in the Georgia Tech community who might find the ideas of Black, McNutt and Gomba interesting. Lemme know what you think. Send comments to firstname.lastname@example.com.


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Bosch Set Up New Energy Department In ChinaOctober 22, 2009 | Print | Email | Comments | Category: Energy & Cleantech
Robert Bosch GmbH, one of the world's largest auto parts suppliers, has announced the establishment of an Electric Drive and Hybrid Division in China.
Bosch said that the new department will focus on electric vehicle drives.
According to Franz Fehrenbach, the chairman of the board of management of Robert Bosch GmbH, Bosch will invest about CNY1.5 billion in China in 2009, mainly focusing on renewable energy and drive assembly. Fehrenbach stated that China would continue to be the main motive force for Bosch's business in Asia and the company expects the sales revenue from China market to increase by 15% over that of 2008 even though it anticipates a decline of 15% in sales revenue from the global market for the same period.
It is learned that Bosch will cooperate with other car manufacturers on new energy vehicles and offer support to the realization of China's goal of having 500,000 new energy cars by 2011.
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Emily S. Davis specializes in contemporary
Global Literature, with a particular focus on the intersections of gender,
globalization, genre, and race. She is
the author of Rethinking the Romance Genre: Global Intimacies in
Contemporary Literary and Visual Cultures (2013) as well as articles
on South African fiction, queer neoliberalism, and human rights. She is
currently writing a book about how visions of social justice in contemporary
Global literature and activism might help us rethink foundational concepts in
human rights discourse such as the universal, the human, the collective, and
the good life.