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Orange County, California (CNN) - "Hello? Hey, what are you doing, girl? You just woke up? You going to be free to hang out in a little bit?" Shane, a vice unit undercover investigator, is on the phone with a woman who placed an online ad offering adult services.
"Okay I'm going to head down to the Disneyland area and get a hotel." He's making a date, and choosing his words carefully.
"I just want to make sure I get what I need. Are you bringing condoms or do I need to bring condoms? You've got some? And it's 200 for an hour right?" Shane has become an expert at scoring that important criminal admission over the phone - making sure there is no confusion that sex is expected on this date.
"From what I found, sometimes you can use too much jargon," Shane explained. "If you use too many street terms you can come off like a cop so I almost talk to them like, "Hey this is what I'm looking for" - just common terms and maybe throw in just a little bit of street jargon.
"If you call them rude or real vulgar they'll just hang up on you. So, to them it's a business and they run it like it's a business, so there's that fine dance you have to do with them in negotiation you have to play to get the deal to work."
This is the first step in a human trafficking operation by the vice unit. Next, the team will wait for Shane's date at a local hotel, hoping to eventually grab the date's pimp.
Shane works for Anaheim Police Department - one of a raft of agencies that make up the Orange County Human Trafficking Task Force or OCHTTF.
The task force covers an area south of Los Angeles known for ritzy neighborhoods, tourist destinations and beaches.
In recent months, the fight against prostitution has been refocused and now the prostitutes are treated as victims.
"It's not knocking what we did before," explained Sergeant Craig Friesen, head of Anaheim's vice unit. "You'd go out, arrest the girls, you do John stings, you arrest the Johns, but with those arrests they're often low-grade misdemeanor arrests where the people either receive a very minimal sentence or they're released, oftentimes working in the street 24 hours later.
"With us changing our focus to trying to arrest the pimps, pimping carries a three year mandatory sentence here in California, so to us we have more of an impact because if we can arrest one pimp we can in theory shut down three or four girls because if their pimp's out, it gives them the opportunity to escape the life that they're in."
The Orange County task force is one of 42 federally funded human trafficking task forces across the United States.
Many agencies are part of the task force - from local police departments like Anaheim and Westminster, to federal agencies like ICE and the IRS, which help with immigration and translation issues.
The FBI lends agents to the task force, and one agent frequently works with Anaheim's vice unit via the FBI's domestic child sex trafficking task force known as Innocence Lost.
By treating accused prostitutes as victims, services such as the county's Community Service Programs and the Salvation Army can be used. These non-enforcement services often play key roles in the task force as they try to help the victims start new lives.
"I think what I'm struck most by is the similarity between the stories," said Heidi Thi, the supervisor of the human trafficking program at CSP.
"I could have somebody who was sold as a child in China and brought here to Orange County to work as a slave in somebody's house, or I could be talking to a domestic minor who's been trafficked for sex who was from Northern California and was down here in Orange County - and it's striking how similar those stories can be, that there was an abusive or neglectful home, or that there was a dream they had that life could be better. And somebody told them, "Yes, life can be better, come with me and I will show you how I can make life better for you." And trusting that person, they went and found themselves in a horrible situation."
Anaheim's operation that started with Shane's phone call was successful.
It led to the arrest of a man for pimping and pandering - and two women victims taken from the streets and into the arms of CSP.
One of the dates was a 17-year-old girl. Her age means she is automatically considered a victim of human trafficking. CSP hopes to convince the women to leave the life of prostitution.
"I think with a trafficking survivor, one of the most important things we can do is to give them choices," said Thi.
"The situation that they come from, they've been told where to go, what to do when they get there and when to do it, down to minor daily things like eating, using the restroom, going to sleep and waking up. So the more choices that we can give them helps them practice that self-determination."
Fighting forced prostitution, while a big part of the task force's mission, is only one facet of human trafficking in Orange County.
CSP has also helped victims of forced labor, domestic servitude and servile marriage.
The county task force is seven years old, and in that time the team says it has conducted dozens of operations - more than 60 in Westminster alone.
Anaheim is the task force's newest member, and only nine months after receiving federal human trafficking grant money, the team has seen great success.
Sergeant Friesen said the original goal was one pimping arrest in the first year. The arrest from Shane's date was the 13th in the first nine months.
He added: "Once we started looking for it - and almost stopped ignoring it - we started finding it everywhere."
Lieutenant Derek Marsh, who heads up Westminster Police's human trafficking unit, sums up what drives the task force.
"Human trafficking goes against why you become a police officer, why you're a human being. It's really an ethical imperative. There's really nobody who can stand seeing a child or a woman or a man exploited. It's who you are when you go to serve the public as a police officer.
"You're trying to make it easy so that everyone has an equal opportunity to have their shot at making something of themselves. And human trafficking takes that dream and twists it."
It's the oldest profession in the world. Control it though legalization and maybe then you'll start getting some control of the situation instead of wasting our tax dollars.
Mm-hmm. Good plan. Because the government is so good at making things better. You know, like the war on drugs? That hasn't wasted any money and has completely fixed the problem!
Drugs should also be legalized and regulated. The "war on drugs" is no better than the prohibition of alcohol. Regulation and taxation would make these things safer and able to be tracked. Has the IRS ever let someone off the hook for not paying taxes on something, NEVER, it would completely eliminate the Black Market for these goods.
Just so we're clear – you're citing the debacle of the war on drugs as an example of why we should not legalize prostitution? You're using the best argument that exists in the world FOR LEGALIZING PROSTITUTION.
Wow you really are an Idiot. The 'War on Drugs' failed because people WANT drugs. PERIOD... You can't stop people from getting what they want. You just can't. As long as someone wants it, there will be some one willing to sell it to them..And when you make it illegal, you make it Dangerous and twice as expensive... People want sex. And some people are willing to sell it. PERIOD... Legalize it, make it safer for the girls, and drive the price down to the point where criminals don't have an interest anymore...
Legalize something just because some people want it?
Like child pornography? Where exactly would YOU draw the line?
dpnelson1978, you draw the line when there is a victim. To produce child pornography, there is a victim: the child. As for drugs and sex consumed and provided by consenting adults, there is no victim. Once a person's desires infringe on the liberty of another, then there's a problem. If it doesn't, no need to make something illegal. Attempts at unnecessary social control have proven time and time again to be costly failures.
Just because it would be legalized doesn't mean the Government would run it. But let's get one thing straight...legalize POT and that would solve all the worlds problems...or at least most of mine!!!
The victim of drugs, alcohol and prostitution are the people killed by the drunk (or high) drivers. Legalizing wouldn't remove the victim that is manipulated into prostitution.
Exactly what PierreLaFranc said, you can pitch legalization as the solution to trafficking, but I won't buy it unless you can show how to tell the difference between "No, baby, I really like it," meaning "of course I'm not trafficked. This is my way of earning a living," and "No, baby, I really like it," meaning "I will be beat or killed if my owner thinks I told anybody," or "I desperately need the stuff my boyfriend got me hooked on before telling me I had to pay for it by turning tricks."
I'm not being rhetorical. I'm actually prepared to listen. But it's got to be workable in the real world, not in the sexually free utopia of your dreams.
I can read, with all due respect, there is only a 'victim' in that case in YOUR OPINION! I had sex with adults as a child and liked it. So did numerous other people I knew as a child and even as an adult.
It's time to stop this bullplop about there being a 'victim'. The only victims in the case of pedoSEXUALITY are created by keeping it illegal and not bringing it out in the open. They also come from parents not doing their jobs and MONITORING who their children are spending time with.
Boo Xang agree so many many wasted moneys . Soon to be in the future war on everysing.
Please tell me how this turned into an argument for legalizing because its between two consenting adults? How is forced prostitution ever between two consenting adults? You forget the third adult involved in the scenario, the pimp in control. So your "two consenting adults" argument is BS. Adults having sex with minors, having sex with people who are brainwashed, trapped financially or trapped against their will is sick and anyone who does so is an evil shelfish beast. I would like them to burn in hell, but since I dont believe in it... what to do!
Wouldn't that be the equivalent of the current prohibition around prostitution?
Or The War on Poverty? Started by Lyndon Johnson in the 1960s? Yes, that has worked so well, too.
Youre an idiot wiseacre. Youre making smarterthan u's point
Question, Smarterthan – do you have daughters? I do, and the last thing I want is for them to think that prostitution is a legitimate way of making a living. Idiot.
I think you're being overly critical of SmarterthanU (even if his/her name is left open to debate). No one "dreams" of going into this type of business, but legalizing it, as the Dutch government had, could give law enforcement a greater incentive to protect prostitutes against violence, as they'd be involved in a legal trade. It may also, hopefully, promote greater enforcement against illegal child prostitution, overall human trafficking, and unsafe sex. If prostitution was a legal, taxable trade, the government might take more proactive approaches to it. I'd be in favour of it.
I have a daughter also. What difference does it make if it is legal or not. We as parents need to raise them right...
I have all sons thank God.
Ever go to a strip club?
Haha you sir are the idiot. If prostitution was legal, and out in the open, nobody would want to be a hooker. Its different when its off record and underground. You sir have no brain, and your opinion fails. The fact you have children is laughable with your level of intelligence. Less people do drugs when they are decriminalized because nobody wants to be known as somebody who buys and does heroin. The same thing applies to prostitution.
@BRIDGMJM....males are prostitutes also...don't clap to soon.
@Kat 21
You do know that's not working out right? Violence increased because people starting trafficking immigrants more, plus other criminal activities like money laundering gravitated towards it. Now they're trying to heavily regulate it and were even shutting down some businesses that had gotten out of control.
If we try the legalization route it might do more good to legalize prostitution, but keep pimping, soliciting, and being a john illegal, since the demand is the problem, not the girls and boys supplying it because they have no other option than starving or being beaten to death. Pimps condition them to accept it, we need to help them escape it.
Anyone who thinks they are entitled to buy another person for their personal pleasure has a problem.
You would be the idiot...you alone...if your daughters thought it was a legit way to make money...
That's a choice your daughters could make for themselves, whether legal or illegal. If legal, it would be safer, and at least they wouldn't be forced into it by a pimp.
It is legal. In Vegas.
Do your daughters aspire to the lowest legal common denominator? Is that why you're worried? Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's going to be desirable all of a sudden. Maybe you should do a better job of discussing goals with your daughters and not expect us to fix your parenting concerns with poor legislation.
@conky.. Less people do drugs when they are legalized? Lmfao id like to see that study. Im sure you just dont hear about the people that do them after becoming legal because they are no longer being persecuted in the news. Thats the most ill informed statement ive ever heard.
Fellski, there is nothing wrong with prostitution. You have only been brainwashed by religious leaders to think that there is something wrong with having sex with more than one person in your life.... if that was the case, to be blunt, only one would fit!
I told my daughters that there was NOTHING wrong with prostitution in the slightest nor with having sex with whoever they wished to. It has served them well (even though they are not prostitutes, though are free with their sexual favors) and they never got into that stupid thinking that they would have a 'knight in shining armor' in their lives.
II am a woman; and I have daughters just for the record. BUT I am here to disagree. Prostitution IS a legitimate means to earn money in states where it is legal (NV for one). Look I get where you're coming from. I wouldn't be thrilled with a stripper/hooker daughter, but it is a fact that by making the hooking illiegal, you have created pimps. Think about it, legal houses have "madams', STD checks, mandatory condom use, and no physically abusive pimp stealing the money afterwards. Tax revenue would be created, STD spreading would diminish and most importantly, since it would be a legal brothel, your daughters COULDN'T work there because those places have age restrictions. It's kind of a win win situation. By the time your kids are old to understand what a brothel is, they would know enough to not want to work there.
Dear Fellski,
you dont want your daughters to aspire to being hookers, then be a good parent.
dont displace blame
Which is kinda a sick way to see your daughters since it means that you see their sexuality (and virginity) as an asset/resource that you don't want the wrong people to have. Congratulations, your a misogynistic woman trader.
People who were not burnt do not understand how it feels to put hand in fire from reading about it.. People who are not parents do not have right to talk about parenting.. If you really are a parent and you really do not have a problem with your kids going into this business (legal or not), you should really really find the closest shrink and get your head checked.
Whether something is legal or not, has never really been the catalyst to a new career. In Europe where prostitution is legal, most brothel owners will turn people in who are trafficking or dealing in bad business. Reason why is clear, these are business men/women and they do not want to lose their right to do business in that country (like Heidi Fleiss pretty much did). Drug use and prostitution can be regulated and patronized by consenting adults. I think all thinking societies would agree that child abuse does not fit in this model. A child is not able to consent to anything...and those who destroy that trust and faith should be lobotomized (or exterminated). There are different arguments going on and part of the problem is that we have a lot of people in this country that have become too liberal because it is easier than anything else. The whole concept of "all cultures and all behaviors are ok" is actually not ok.
Kat 21, the Dutch have problems with trafficking and underage prostitution. Legalizing it didn't change that.
How old are your daughters? If they are adults it is none of your business what they do.
I don't get it.
people who talk like you usually support these kinds of things, police should start checking you out, pedophelia, illegal porn, pimping,, you never know.
people who talk like you usually support these kinds of things, police should start checking you out, pedophelia, illegal porn, pimping,, you never know.
Is that so? And how do you come by this conclusion? Do you know many people are that are into "pedophelia, illegal porn, pimping" ? maybe you need new friends. Or.. do you have some other source for your opinion.. perhaps you could post this source and validate your argument.
P.S. It is spelled "pedoph-ilia"
A person who talks like you is a judgmental m*r*n who without bases for lavish and outright idiotic claims dismisses logical arguments and insists on their view as if they are inherently correct and a gift from the heavens. Lady, you are no gift and there is no heaven ….you are in effect DISMISSED.
Tu PAPA
red flag. check out anna
You are at least as judgemental as Anna, with possibly less cause. You say there is no Heaven, but you can't prove that, any more thgan Anna or I can. And please, use some grammar. It makes your points clearer, and people are more likely to take you seriously.
@ Anna
"People who talk like that" may also be playing "Devil's Advocate". They may not support anything of the sort. Be careful about tarring many people with the same brush.
In the places where prostitution has been legalized, human trafficking has grown significantly. It does not make the problem better, it makes it significantly worse. This myth needs to stop being told, because it could not be further from the truth.
Would you please post a source for your claims, because there is very few places where prostitution is completely legal and as far as I know your claims are false?
@Really – Take a look at the situation in the Netherlands. Do a quick Google search and you'll figure out that what he/she is saying is atually correct. I've done numerous research papers on trafficking for college and they are a perfect example of legalizing prostitution thinking it would help and the catastrophe that it ended up bringing. In the end they kept being a prostitute legal but being a pimp or buying a prostitute is illegal. That way the people running the women are caught and jailed but the women (many of whom are victims of trafficking) are treated as victims and helped. When it is legal it is harder to tell who is a victim because it is a "legal" business and there is no justification or reason to dig deeper into it. Legally speaking, legalizing prostitution does nothing but tie the hands of cops who are actually trying to help these victims.
Post your source. your side states these as fact but i've yet to see a single shred of proof. Stating you've writen papers is not proof. If i'm wrong i'm open to it.
Right because since it became legalized and regulated, the authorities are better able to detect human trafficking as opposed to flying under the radar before the legalization. There could be 2 points to this. One is that human trafficking actually increased due to legalization, or that authorities makes more arrests even though trafficking decreased. Obviously those that think prostitution should be illegal will spin the data and correlate to the failure the legalization, specially interest group posing data spin as "study". And obviously those that think prostitution should be legal, will ignore the possibility that the trafficking could have indeed increased. The point is, police release statistics, and all these special groups will spin the statistics and make some correlation. Correlation is not a fact. If you do "research" using hearsay from interest group/correlation as proof, you need to learn how to do real research.
Where? When? Why waste time responding if its just garbage you are typing that has no truth to it?
I agree with Really...
From what I understand, look at Nevada's legal brothels. There is a DRAMATIC reduction in prostitute violence, robbery, and STD transmission in these brothels. Not only that, but it delegitimizes the black market....if you are a man looking for sex, are you going to go to a brothel where you KNOW the sex is safe, or would you risk it on the street with a woman who typically is much less professional?
Here are just a few links (out of hundreds of studies – check out Nexus or other journal search) to articles, studies, and journals that show the legalizing prostitution really does nothing but give the businesses a "veneer" of legality, and actually increases sex trafficking of men, women, and children.
Uh, KateB.... all of those organizations are very anti-females having sex with anyone outside of marriage, so they are not very damned reliable nor believable, to be blunt.
They have a MOTIVE to DISTORT the facts there.
For those of you who want sources, here you go:
So for those of you who think that legalizing prostitution will NOT lead to an increase in human trafficking and have been arguing that point, where is YOUR proof? If you demand it from one side of the isle, you better be able to back up your thoughts on it as well.
The belief that trafficking increases when prostitution is legalized is just another lie spread by the people who want to abolish all prostitution, including that between consenting adults. Places in Nevada where sex work is legal have NO trafficking. (It is not legal in Las Vegas or Reno). This is hard evidence that cannot be refuted, so the anti-prostitution activists simply ignore it. They also ignore the fact that there are dozens, if not hundreds, of professional organizations for sex workers worldwide. Slaves have professional organizations?
People who want to abolish all prostitution tell ridiculous lies, such that the average age of entry into prostition is 13. Ashton Kutcher says there are as many as 300,000 child sex slaves in the USA. That would mean that one in every thousand people in the USA is a child sex slave. We should be seeing child sex slaves everywhere. Where are they? Remember, this is the age of the ubiquitous security camera; you cannot go anywhere without showing up on some security camera somewhere.
It is easy for prostitution haters to tell lies about other countries because Americans have no easy way of checking those statements.
It is really sad that people give proof and idiots still don't believe it. They don't want proof just to make a point. Its sad but like those idiots and the johns they are all in same nasty and gross boat. Only when their daughter got pimpped or strung out would they care. Stand for something that will help others you fools.
Anyway US shouldn't fold like others when it comes to children being victimized, drugs, or prostitution for that matter. We fold on enough things stand for something, right its about time.
PIMPIN AINT EASY... the smart thing to do is take your "business" and bring it somewhere where this "escort" service is not big maybe delaware or wyoming or some farm country and MAKE BANK!!! honestly has anyone heard of a "escort"/prostitution problem there. im not saying i back up all prostitution but it is legal in some parts of these great states.
Pimping is easy in big cities where there are lots of pimps. Pimping in a town or city as the only pimp would get you caught. Real fast. Dumb.
Yeah "there is no illegal prositution in Nevada" where brothels are leagal in several counties.
Legalizing something like sex is not the solution, there are just as much, if not more illegal prositiutes that are usually hooked on drugs walking Vegas and Reno.
Legalize selling out teenagers eh? Hope you don't have kids...
Although you can correlate, obviously you don't know the distinction between prostitution and human trafficking, they are not the same. Come back when you learn the difference.
your an idiot. Trafficking and prostitution are two completely different issues. One chooses to be a prostitute and someone being trafficked is a victim. Learn something about anything before you open your mouth and show your ignorance. It's people like you that give the traffickers their power to enslave. Yuck!
Studies of Nevada's prostitution show that they go hand in hand. Maybe you are the one that should do some studying. You can with Googling Human Trafficking in Nevada
As always, state your source, I have yet to see one article about Vegas supporting your claim! I don't really care either way but if you are going to state something as fact prove it!
Man, everyone ragging on these pimps hardcore. Many girls seek out a pimp for protection–if not for a pimp, the working girls would just get robbed by the johns. Pimps exist for a reason–they provide protection for their women.
Now yes there are the pimps we see in the movies that force girls to take drugs and lock them away in a dungeon, but this is not reality. In reality, these girls are lazy women who want the finer things in life but without working for them(same as a typical drug pusher), or they are drug addicts that need a fix. Either way, in most cases these women are making a choice. GROWN ADULTS SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE THIER OWN DECISIONS IF THERE IS NO DIRECT MEASURABLE HARM DONE TO ANOTHER PERSON. THIS IS SIMPLE LOGIC!
I wouldn't call them lazy. Most prostitutes are women who figure that since they like sex, with multiple men, why shouldn't they get paid for doing it with them?
That is all that people in a MARRIAGE where only the MAN is working are doing, so..... need I keep on going?
Chrisstopher: Of all the couples I've known where one person is a stay-at-home mother/wife (or husband/father, for that matter), I've only known one where the woman wasn't working (and she is an exception to most rules). A stay at home mom/wife might not have a paying job, and it is often a thankless job, but she is doing hard work - generally some combination of maid, cook, chauffeur, nanny, pet sitter and lawn person. So your sexist implications are just that - sexist. And dated. It's obvious you're the type who thinks "woman's work" isn't real work, and probably thinks your "prostitute" wife is most fulfilled when she's dusting, cooking dinner and churning out kids for you (maybe even after coming home from her full time job), but that's not the real world. Stay at home moms (and dads) work their behinds off. In your petty mind, that might not count as much as a "clock in, clock out" job, but I respect the people who are always on call, always there, always "on the job" more than pompous fools who would disparage them.
Chrisstopher, no they're not. Most prostitutes and stripers are on drugs or have bad mental issues.
And most women stay at home? What planet do you live on? Hahahahaha. Derp Herp Derp.
@Honestpimp Let me tell you that I was a working girl and a honest pimp is a oxy moron.What are you doing to earn the cash besides sitting on your a$$,giving orders,driving to hotels,&buying clothing?? Are you the one opening your mouth &legs?? I NEVER allowed a client to rob me b/c I made sure to keep my cash on a separate debit card which I kept the psychical card in a different location&I made sure to memorize my acct number that I had kept in a secret email acct that I knew about.I usually wired to the money to my acct via western union or something along those lines.
If it wasn't for all the girl's the pimp wouldn't have a dime in his pocket and he'd have to find another way to make money.The only reason the cop's in Orange county care so much is b/c Orange county is a upper class fundamentalist community and god forbid a family visiting Disneyland notice the lady in the next hotel room has a lot of male visitor's showing up between the hour's of 10 am &5pm for a daytime encounter.
The pimp is nothing but a predator who takes advantage of girls/women who are young,naive,and will do anything to prove that she is a 'down a$$ B!ch' to support her so-called man.Yes,I was a hooker at one point in my life,but I was NEVER foolish enough to allow some piece of garbage take what I worked for.
Yeah, legalize it, but there absolutely has to be an legal age limit.
it is not a profession and the lazy resort to this saying. legalization does not make things better, they make them worse. all the countries that legalized are looking at ways to address the bigger problems created with legalization. be informed. educate yourself.
Based on WHAT, exactly? I'm sure you would like this to be true, but you'll find that it isn't. Ever.
Funny, spikette.... we legalized alcohol after prohibition was shown to a big failure, and it didn't make things worse in the slightest.
Chrisstopher: Child Prostitution does not equal alcohol. Read a book. Seriously, go read or something. The adults are here talking.
Chrisstopher, yes, no one every drives drunk or becomes an alcoholic. Prohibition didn't work, but that doesn't mean alcohol is harmless.
The issue is CHILD prostitution- there's NO WAY that should EVER be legalized. I hope that's not what you meant.
Why not, with all due respect? The fact is that children are having sex VERY young today (speaking from my experiences as a child, those of people my own age as a child, and children today) so why shouldn't it be legalized?
The fact is that the BEST way to protect children from FORCED sexual encounters (which are the only ones you should be trying to protect them from) is to bring pedosexuality out into the open, legalize it, and have parents DO THEIR JOBS... monitor who their children are spending time with.
Yeah Chrisstopher...and why don't we let 5 year olds work in sweat-shops too...after all, they asked mommy if they could. And little Johnny, well he likes jumping off tall structures because he thinks he's Superman...we should totally just let him do it too! Why not!? And Lindsey just turned 15 and has realized she likes men...but isn't quite mature enough to understand the implications of pregnancy, stds, and passing disease to others. But hell, she's 15 and it feels good so why don't we let her!?
Chrisstopher, you just invalidated all of your arguments when you advocated legalizing child prostitution. That's something that EVERYONE agrees is bad – except for you and pedophiles. Which makes me wonder about you.
These are children, not adults. I am not sure who would suggest legalizing prostitution for minors... except pedophiles. And yes, I do believe that for adults it should be legalized, unionized, taxed, health insured... etc... and anyone caught trafficking would have the book thrown at them. Because it should be a choice, nothing coerced or forced.
I used to wear my bleeding heart openly for the children. I still love and value children but....
I have learned the hard truth over time that no matter how much I like kids they all become adults eventually and
Stupid kids (watched too much tv growing up and actually believed it) become stupid adults. I got enough problems of my own to give two cents about someone else's throw away kids.
No kid should be a throw away kid, and that was an evil thing to say. People like you are a major part of the world's problems.
What! Slavery still predominately exists in the world, so it would be OK here. Exploitation isn't an issue for you; you must be a libertarian tea partier.
Do not forget that many of these victims are sexually exploited minors. This is kidnapping and child abuse in one of its most crude and damaging forms.
Wrong. With all due respect, most of these girls knew what they were getting into from the get-go (coming from speaking with a former child prostitute).
Whether or not they "knew what they were getting into", they are too young to make that decision for themselves. Hell, kids can't enter into a contract on their own; why would anyone allow them to enter such a damaging profession?
You, Chrisstopher, seem to want others to have to suffer they way you did. Please get some counseling.
Complete hypocrisy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_2LpLhOsc4
horny whores!
I dont think you understand the difference between VOLUNTARY prostitution and NON-VOLUNTARY prostitution. Sure, if a woman wants to become a prostitute on her own free will then so be it – thats her CHOICE. But when people are being forced into prostitution not because they want to but because they have a barrell stuck to their temple and a pimp that says either you "put out" or you get killed – that's a human rights violation. This article is about women who have no choice but to be prostitutes.
How do we know that? How do we know that these women/girls are not lying about how they were made to get involved in prostitution? Answer: We cannot.
I do not trust solely the statements of ANY man nor women, girl nor boy since having a girl accuse me of sexually abusing her 10 years ago (yes, I am a pedosexual. No, I did not touch the girl in question in any fashion sexually) which was an out and out lie, confirmed by her older brother who was spying on us.
Would they be wasting taxpayer dollars IF this were your child,sister,aunt, cousin....that had been forced into this life??
I am so glad you are willing to listen. You are a rare breed on this site.
The answer is easy. We draw that distinction all the time in the law. Lots of things are legal, but if you force people to do it, it is illegal. Very simple. Prostitution should be legal. Forcing people to prostitute themselves should be illegal. If the person claimss that they are doing it voluntarily, you have to accept that, unless there is other evidence of brainwashing or threats. If it is very young kids, you can claim that they are too young to make voluntary decisions, but teenagers are probably capable of making decisions, especially the older teens. The exact age can be debated, but most of this law enforcement is completely unnecessary, and just moral posturing. Most people they are arresting are just interested in making a living. Nobody is forcing them to do it!
Actually, Vince, no, you cannot say that if someone is 'too young' they are not able to make their own choices about sex. If that was the case, then guess what?
We would be born WITHOUT genitalia and have them appear magically at the age of 18. Since we have them from birth, it is clear that nature expected us to be having sex FROM BIRTH, and yes, even child/adult sex.
It only becomes wrong when you physically force someone into sex against their will or physically harm someone else without their permission.
Chrisstopher thinks it's okay for him to have sex with babies because they were born with genitalia... he'd have sex with a fetus if it was developed enough...
Chrisstopher is an absolute idiot. Sure, I wanted to have sex when I was 14 and 15. But guess what? I wasn't mentally capable of having sex and I damn sure wasn't financially capable of raising a child if I would have gotten pregnant. I may have thought I was mentally capable, but I wasn't. Not by a long shot.
I'm sure Jerry Brown has thought of legalizing for revenue. Not too many other decadent ideas he hasn't passed or tried to pass since coming into office
It's going to go on whether you approve or not, it would be better for the women if the industry was monitored and Prohibition of victimless crimes only empowers the REAL bad people.
If he could increase revenue by taxing stupid comments here he would help California enormously.
Children are NEVER items to be bought like a commodity. Your idea that legalizing the sexual expolitation of CHILDREN is stupid. You need to re-examine your grip on reality and stop bying into the twisted idea that sex with children is ever OK.
With all due respect, again..... most of these children are going into it of their own free will with eyes wide open. So the only one selling them is THEM THEMSELVES, which they have the right to do.
Now, if they can PROVE that these children were forced into this with threats of being killed, then these people are doing something wrong. However, 99% of the time it's just taken on the word of the child in question, which children WILL lie about being forced to do something in order to avoid punishment for something that someone else doesn't like and would want to punish them for.
Chrisstopher, do you have a criminal record involiving sexual assaault and children? The way you use the word "children" constantly while talking about sex. You disgust me, pedophile.
I think Chrisstopher is a manipulative child predator.
I had sex when I was a child, didn't you?
Yes.......it is the oldest profession in the world...the second oldest profession is Sheriff............keep in mind that about 99% of the pimps are of the MINORITY variety..............perhaps we should START there BEFORE legislation.
Saying, "It's the oldest profession in the world" is the oldest comment in the world. Come up with an original thought, please.
But it's true....how come people don't make all this noise about The Playboy Magazine owner he's a pimp?
The pimps should be pimped around in prison. Have someone tell them when to eat. sleep and pick up the soap.
Reminds me of an old George Carlin monologue:
"If selliing is legal, and (f) sex is legal, why is selling (f)sex legal?"
Boo Xang must make last word from mouth more clrearer's. Boo Xang agree with SmarterthanU not crazy child sex creep named Chrisstopher. Chrisstopher sounds like very scary man hiding in bushes waiting for to force himself on chilld.
Chrisstoppher say many very very creepy comment.
Make sure to hide children from Chrisstopher he very very scary like dragon with no feeling
Legalize child prostitution? Did you read the article?
Here are some good links about Sex Trafficking:
@SmarterthanU the issue is underage forced prostitution, you are not suggesting legalizing that are you?
This gist of this article is about predators who are pimping out adolescents – meaning their brains are not fully developed yet and can be easily exploited. You sound like a john who likes to exploit adolescents and this kind of article really rubs you the wrong way. Learn to be a human being.
CNN leads the media's mass paranoia over a nonexistent Sex Trafficking, Sex Slavery epidemic
I remember the last couple of mass panics. Do you?
There was the daycare scare of the 1980s, when we were told that child molesters had infiltrated childcare centers across the country. From the beginning of the panic, with the infamous McMartin Preschool trial (which ended in zero convictions), it should have been obvious that there was something hard to believe about the media reports of this nationwide crime epidemic.
Toddlers who had been hypnotized reported that they were being flown to Mexico to be sexually abused, killed, eaten, and then magically restored before Mom and Dad could pick them up (that is actual testimony from one particularly incredible trial that did, in fact, send a Texas couple to prison).
Gripped by mass fear, it took the public some time to wake up from that fever dream. About the same time, America was hyperventilating over another nonexistent threat: satanic cults that, experts swore, were sacrificing thousands of victims across America.
Remember that one? I'm sure Geraldo Rivera does.
We've panicked in other ways since those days, but if we tended to see terrorists everywhere after 9/11, at least there was vivid evidence that we had become a target.
Here are some good links about this:
But even that threat is fading. Our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are receding fast from public consciousness. Our economy is gradually crawling back. Crime remains at record lows. A new presidential campaign is only in its earliest stages.
What's there to panic about today?
A small group of political activists is quite ready to provide the answer. In the second decade of the 21st century, we are being told that there's a widespread, growing, and out-of-control problem to fear in our country. And it has a catchy name: "trafficking."
In cities across America, we are told over and over, like a mantra, that "100,000 to 300,000″ underage sex slaves have been stashed away from public view, with more joining them every day. It's a problem growing so quickly that the United States soon will be no better than Moldova or Nepal in regard to child sex trafficking. Why go to the Third World looking for this nightmare when our cities and suburbs are bursting with children in bondage?
Feel that panic in your chest? Must have been what Geraldo experienced. Now, step back and take a deep breath.
As we showed in our cover story last week, the newest panic is like the ones that preceded it—an emotional reaction, based on good intentions, but grounded in bogus information.
The actual data behind this "epidemic" is wanting in the extreme. It involves guesses by activist professors, junk science by nonprofit groups trying to extract money from Congress, and manipulation by religious groups hiding their real agendas about sex work.
And one of the most visible enablers in this national fantasy has been young CNN reporter Amber Lyon.
Lyon is best known for ambushing Craigslist founder Craig Newmark last year, questioning him about what are known as "adult ads." At the time, Craigslist was heavy with such ads. Having cornered the timid Newmark—who has told people he's a borderline Asperger's case—it didn't take much for the aggressive Lyon to reduce Newmark to catatonia with her questions about Craigslist's facilitating the enslavement of young girls across the country.
Under pressure by the attorneys general of several states, Newmark initiated a lawsuit in South Carolina, which he won. (In fact, he won every time he went to court.) But facing the further pressure of congressional hearings about its sex ads, Craigslist dropped its adult sections last fall. (You can still find the ads on the site, if you know where to look.)
Lyon has been known to tell people that her ambush of the meek Newmark resulted in the shuttering of "the Walmart of child sex trafficking." Now, she has set out to take down a new target: Village Voice Media.
Seven years ago, the people I work for were smart enough to start Backpage.com, a competitor to Craigslist. While other newspapers were doing little more than publicly condemning Newmark for the way Craigslist has, for years, eaten into their classified-ads revenue, we decided to fight back. That's just how we operate.
Backpage.com has since inherited some of the adult business that left Craigslist. The Village Voice itself has been taking such ads since the mid-1970s. In the 1980s and 1990s, the adult business was a large part of the paper. Today, it's a smaller presence in the print edition, and the Voice's website has no adult advertising—that business appears only at Backpage.com.
Backpage.com is not a newspaper. It's an Internet bulletin board where people can place ads for anything from rental apartments to bicycles to lawnmowers. And, yes, it's a place where adults can post notices so that other adults can contact them.
What happens when two adults find each other through Backpage.com? I couldn't tell you. The whole point of Backpage.com is that we aren't involved after two consenting adults find each other through the community bulletin board, which exists solely so that people can freely express themselves—sometimes in ways that make other people uncomfortable. We're First Amendment extremists that way. Always have been.
We've spent millions of dollars putting in place strict policies and monitoring services to make sure that it is only adults finding each other through Backpage.com's adult pages. Not only do we have security specialists making constant searches for keywords that might indicate an underage user, but we're quick to cooperate with law enforcement and the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children when we find suspicious ads. In some cases, our reports about suspicious ads have resulted in underage runaways being traced and recovered—as opposed to the underground economy of bus stations and street corners where kids are truly invisible.
Backpage's 123 employees, who screen about 20,000 ads every day, alert NCMEC when they find something suspicious, who in turn contacts law enforcement. That process triggered 230 reports last month. For more on how quickly and often Backpage reports problems, see Caleb Hannan's story at our sister paper, Seattle Weekly.
Underage prostitution is a persistent problem in this country, but as we established in last week's cover story, it exists at a level that is nothing like what is being trumpeted by Amber Lyon on the behalf of activists who want to put us out of business. Lyon and other journalists—even the New York Times—may repeat uncritically the figure of "100,000 to 300,000″ underage prostitutes, but as we showed last week, that number is based on a flimsy study by a couple of activist professors who included in that figure runaways (most of whom are back home in a week) and any teen who happens to live near an international border, supposedly putting them "at risk."
Using official law enforcement data, we showed that underage prostitution arrests are closer to 800 per year for the entire country—a number that has not increased over the past decade. Far from a widespread and rapidly growing problem, this is, instead, a small problem that stays about the same size because its underlying causes—drug addiction and teen homelessness—are not targeted with federal funds the way scaremongering is.
In December, we sent information to CNN about what we're doing to keep Backpage.com's adult pages for adults only as Amber Lyon prepared a sensationalistic piece about the mythic hundreds of thousands of underage American sex slaves, for whom she wanted us to appear responsible.
When her piece aired in February, however, this is what Lyon said: "What is [Backpage.com's] holistic plan? We don't know because [Backpage.com security adviser] Hemu Nigam wouldn't talk to us."
We subsequently pointed out to CNN that we had, in fact, provided Lyon with a two-page, single-spaced data sheet about what we're doing to keep underage users out of Backpage.com's adult pages. In a later rebroadcast of her piece about us, her legal department forced Lyon to tack on this correction: "Backpage.com sent us a statement in late December saying, 'Backpage.com is committed to preventing those who are intent on misusing the site for illegal purposes.' And they went on to say that they implemented new safety measures to that end, which are listed on the company blog. There is evidence these measures have had some results. According to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, Backpage reported 30 suspicious ads in 2010. And in the first month of 2011, they reported 65."
Well, that was something. But Lyon's reporting has been manipulative, at best. When you watch her special, "Selling the Girl Next Door," it should be obvious that Lyon is less interested in learning how Backpage.com actually operates than she is in making viewers squirm about sex. In one segment, she talks to the women working at a legal brothel in Nevada. In another, she talks to men who are undergoing counseling for paying for sex—none of them with underage girls. Each of these segments is intended simply to make viewers see sex work in the worst possible light. And that's no accident.
At the end of her broadcast, Lyon's sources are singled out for "special thanks." The list includes several Atlanta-area foundations, deep in the Bible Belt, that have done as much as anyone to create the current panic about a nonexistent epidemic of sexual slavery.
We recently found out that Lyon is even closer to these groups than you could tell from a list at the end of her broadcast.
It's not unusual for reporters, after working with helpful sources, to feel that they've become friends. It's happened to me and just about every other journalist I know. But as professionals, we know that it's important to keep some distance from the sources we rely on for information.
Someone forgot to mention that to Lyon, apparently.
On May 4, FAIR Fund, one of the sources thanked in CNN's special, held a fundraiser in Washington's City Tavern Club.
The event's emcee was Amber Lyon, and she didn't seem at all uncomfortable helping a source raise money. We know because we sent a reporter to watch and videotape her performance.
"Hello, everyone, and thank you all for coming tonight to 'Pearls of Purpose.' And my name is Amber Lyon, and I'm an investigative and documentary reporter with CNN. This is just an amazing gala and an amazing way to really celebrate the empowerment of young girls all around the world," she said to the gathered crowd.
It wouldn't be a Lyon appearance without the required mantra: "Somewhere around, anywhere from, 100,000 to 300,000 American children are being trafficked," she told her audience. "It's an honor to be here tonight hosting this. I'm definitely proud to be supporting FAIR Fund."
I emailed Lyon, asking her to explain how she could help a source raise money while continuing to use it as a source for stories. I was also curious how much money her event had raised, with tickets ranging from $125 to $250 a plate.
"We are declining your request for an interview" is how she responded.
That surprised me. Lyon clearly has ridden her fame for how bravely she stood up to mild-mannered Craig Newmark. I didn't expect her to duck some straight questions about her involvement in a semireligious crusade.
Meanwhile, CNN has made trafficking its pet issue. The problem is, the network seems to draw almost no distinction from what Demi Moore finds in Nepal and what is actually happening here in the United States. That's just bad journalism. But it's what happens when an organization takes on a cause, regardless of the facts.
There is a lot of controversy over the topics of sex trafficking, sex slavery, human trafficking and forced prostitution. Regarding what the definition is, the research methods used to find statistics, what the definition of a victim is, the number of child and adult victims involved, forced vs. unforced sex, how the actual prostitutes themselves feel about it, and legal vs. illegal prostitution.
There is a growing number of well respected researchers, journalists, scientists, professors, that have concluded in their research that the sex trafficking, sex slavery concept is based on emotion, morals, and monetary funding rather than facts, evidence and proof. They state that very few kidnapped, forced against their will, physically abused, raped sex slave prostitutes for profit have been found throughout the world. Their research concludes that women who enter into this type of work do so of their own free will. They also state that there are many anti-prostitution groups who simply do not like the idea of consensual adult prostitution and have distorted the facts in order to push their agenda and receive funding and money into their organizations in the form of donations, grants and to change the laws about prostitution. They state that these anti-prostitution groups use made up child sex trafficking statistics which they have no proof or evidence of in order to gain public acceptance for their cause.
Sex trafficking is illegal and the pentities are very severe. It is very difficult to force someone to be a sex slave, they would have to have 24 hour guards posted and be watched 365 days a year, 24 hours per day. Have the threat of violence if they refused, and have no one notice and complain to the authorities or police. They would need to hide from the general public yet still manage to see customers from the general public and not have the customers turn the traffickers in to the police. They would need to provide them with medical care, food, shelter, and have all their basic needs met. They would need to have the sex slaves put on a fake front that they enjoyed what they were doing, act flirtatious and do their job well. They would have to deal with the authorities looking for the missing women, and hide any money they may make, since it comes from illegal activity. They must do all of this while constantly trying to prevent the sex slaves from escaping and reporting them to the police. They would need to prevent the general public from reporting them into the police. This is extremely difficult to do, which makes this activity rare. These criminals would be breaking dozens of major laws not just one. Kidnapping itself is a serious crime. There are many laws against sex trafficking, sex slavery, kidnapping, sex abuse, rape, sexual harassment etc. If someone is behind it, they will be breaking many serious laws, be in big trouble, and will go to jail for many long years.
While there are some women who may be true victims. And it is possible for this to happen in rare situations. This is a small rare group of people and that the numbers and scale of this crime is exaggerated. The very nature of someone pulling off a kidnapping and forced sex for profit appears to be very difficult. Since it would be difficult this makes this crime rare. Not impossible, but extremely rare.
A key point is that on the sidelines the prostitutes themselves are not being listened to. They oppose laws against prostitution. But no one wants to listen to the prostitutes themselves. Only to the self appointed experts that make up numbers and stories many of which have never met a real forced sex slave or if they did it was only a few. The media and government never ask the prostitutes themselves what would help them in terms of laws.
Many women in the sex business are independent workers. They don't have a pimp.
They work for themselves, advertise themselves, and keep all the money for themselves. No one forces them, because there isn't anyone to force them. They go out and find their own customers, set their own prices, and arrange everything by themselves. Sometimes they may employ others to help them, but these are not pimps. If for example, she hires an internet web design company to make a website for her, does that make the web design company a pimp? If she pays a phone company for a phone to do business, does this make the phone company a pimp? If she puts an ad in the paper, does this make the editor a pimp? If she puts the money she makes into a bank account does this make the bank a pimp?
A lot of anti prostitution groups would say yes. Everyone and everybody is a pimp.
These groups make up lies, and false statistics that no one bothers to check. A big reason they do this is because it provides high paying jobs for them. They get big donations, and grants from the government, charity, churches, etc. to have these groups, and pay these high salaries of the anti prostitution workers.
Dallas TV News show about the super bowl sex trafficking myth:
Drugs and pimps often go together. Appeasing any of it is still wrong and ruin people's lives either in the short run or also in the long run. Legalizing it is no cure but a ticket of approval (period) . We need to better educate our kids and provide MUCH stiffer punishment to pimps, drug dealers, pushers, and slavery of any sort. Once word gets around that when you're caught and proven guilty, there is no way out because of mandatory long jail terms, things will slowdown and save lives. These types of crimes require mandatory stiff punishment. There are NO excuses for ruining other people's lives for the profit of some evil idiots. Crime=lose your rights in court (period)
Second oldest profession ...... The John came first, with hunter's spoils.
Legalize it. But do not make the serious mistake of thinking that the Fed or States can own it – they have royally f'ed up everything else they have touched.
Privatize it. Business licenses and fees. Let the States police adherence – NOT the Fed. These businesses would be subject to all the health, filing, etc. regulations other business entities are subject to. Fine any that do not comply. Strip the license (no pun intended) of any that violate. Require them to carry insurance. Require regular AIDS and health tests, like restaurants must pass health inspections. Mandate State-issued ID cards for the employees. Anyone with an expired, suspended or revoked card doesn't work...or if they do goes to jail.
Tax it. On both the Fed and State level. Earmark some of the revenue for sex education. Another part of it goes to pay for the State enforcement departments policing the industry.
Here's the deal on the part of public: employment in the industry would be voluntary – there goes the "victim" arguments. The sex would be a simple pay-for-service business contract. If there wasn't a need, there wouldn't be an industry. Live with this fact.
If you don't want your daughter thinking it's a good way to make money, that is a parenting issue. Raise her not to. If you don't believe in this kind of thing, don't participate in it, but get the hell off your self-righteous soap box trying to tell others how to live. You have problems of your own. Worry about them instead.
If you take issue with it morally, sorry to hear that. Deal with it or keep it to yourself. Jesus befriended a reputed prostitute and anyone who operates with a "better than you, holier than thou, I know what god wants" should worry more about how they will explain their selfish, snotty, judgemental, hypocritical contempt for others to their maker when the day comes and they meet him..or her..or it...or whatever.
But what of children? Unfortunately, there is a market for that. And that, needless to say, shall never be legal. This task force would be relevant in any case.
great ida!! shame it doesnt work in country where sex selling is legal huh
Fine - your wife, daughters, and mother can feel free to work in that area. I'd prefer it illegal because I don't think it's in the best interest of 99% of women to be involved in that.
Murder is also a long established bad behavior. Let's legalize it. If it's legal, would you want your sister to become a whore? I didn't think so.
There's a lot of things I don't want my sister to become. Unemployed is one of them.
If my sister chose to become an escort I'd try to talk her into doing something else. But if she persisted I'd hope she do it in the safest environment possible. Our current legal environment ensures that will never happen.
Legalization has been shown in country after country to reduce crime associated with prostitution. It's a far better solution than yours which apparently is to "lock up all the whores".
You are right about wasting our tax dollars. The article said the cops will wait for hours outside a motel. If they are rescuing someone who is trafficked I am all for it, but if this is a matter of consenting adult prostitution then all those police hours could be put to far better use.
Reno, Nevada has legalized prostitution. There are no serial killers hunting prostitutes. They are inspected for diseases and they pay taxes. Illegal prostitutes are driven out of town by authorities and by the legal ones. No parasite pimp who hooks these hookers on drugs to enslave them. This one solution. Another one is that of Sweden. Selling sex is not illegal but buying it is ! The Johns get arrested.
Funny. Now we call it Human Trafficking instead of what it is, busting hookers. I don't know how it is the police don't have enough people to investigate a burglary or a traffic accident but they can afford a 7 person team scouring ads on the internet. Fiscal prioritize much?
I'm sure the women are grateful to be saved and thrown into the slammer. The social safety net is bogus. All the money goes into interdiction and prosecution.
I've read most women who advertise on CL were independent. Until that avenue was shut down by the legal system. What a bunch of hypocrites.
We should legalize it and be done with it.
I disagree with you when you say that prostitution should be legalized. This could possibly waste tax dollars because lawmakers will have to write more bills and the laws will have to be enforced. In addition, it would take a lot of the lawmaker's time, which could be spent on legislation that is more important.
r u kidding me oldest profession ..... human trafficking is taking young boys , girls, woman, men away from there homes and brought to different towns , cities, countries to be sold as sex slaves serving 10-50 men a night r u kidding me that's not a profession that's kidnapping , abuse, captivity, lots of the slaves r beaten and drug-ed up its a sick profession and we all need to help how ever we can ...... now prostitution when a woman chooses to go in to that life style is a different story but even in these situations the woman needs help no right minded person really want to sell their body and sleep with numerous people doing sometimes God only knows what . Human Trafficking IS AN ABOMINATION TO US ALL !! http://www.thea21campaign.org
Someone once told me that the oldest profession in the world was that of the village mystic, shaman, healer, etc. Or it could be living a life of ignorance, I'm not really sure.
Well its about time they went after the pimps, instead of just victimizing the girls themselves.
If the girls are making their own 'dates' they aren't the victims they are the business person. arrest them with the rest
No. Simply legalize what they are doing, realize that it is THEIR CHOICE to choose to have sex with, regardless of their age or 'lack of age', and move on.
Pimps and hos. I make no distinction.
Heres a thought: Why do women (in general, not across the board) pander to men so much?
Whether it be culture, ignorance, or sexu al instinct, doesn't matter, stupid is as stupid does.
I have little to no respect for a person who doesn't take care of themselves, including women.
Ladies (and hos) stop relying on men, stop wanting their attention so much, stop trying to find value in your life through a man. Pathetic. Personally, the only women I truly respect are the ones that have a back bone like men do, or lesbians.
How anyone could be attracted to us men is beyond fathoming.
@David: You must be super naive. The providers (that's what they prefer to be referred to as) don't give a crap for the man. They are after the money!!!!!!
It is very empowering for some women in this profession to know that they have this kind of control. Part of new feminist movements supports legalizing prostitution as a legitimate job.
Most of y'all are good men, and my life would have been poorer without my dad, my son, my uncles, husband, and guy friends.
Answer: The oldest profession is working on the soil.
Man should be educated to have self-control. He should learn to chase after the stars instead of girls and to love and protect one woman he commits his life to. Barbaric Americans need Christian education again.
"Barbaric Americans need Christian education again."
yeah...because America is the only country in the world with prostitution.
Wow...you really posted that, no wonder you only put (A) as your screen name.
I hope your comment was a typographical error. Have you heard, there are other countries in the world outside the US?
And guess what , they ALL have prostitution either legal or illegal. Sorry to shock you.
@bluemountain: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm
just let you know, prostitution include both male and female.
and many developed countries actually legalized prostitution
Those are phags homie. No one cares about them. Ick. Sooner they are dead in a ditch the better.
The anti-prostitution activists don't care about rescuing anyone, they just say they do in order to mobilize the idealistic types. It is really about keeping the price of female heterosexuality high, i.e. marriage or "relationship". They want to restrict the availability of female sex to males.
That is why they are totally indifferent to anything other than female sex workers. Gay male sex workers are of no interest to them.
"Christian education", yeah, apparently told to us by a god who commited acts of genocide, designed a world in which the majority of people will burn forever for their "sins", etc. etc. What a role model!
Treating cancer is by cutting off the infected part. On the whole it is an act of mercy. Similarly perverts need to be removed from the society to avoid the spread of this type of cancer.
@Petridish: God only ordered genocide upon those who fully deserved the execution, the child-killing perverts and no one else, in order to protect the surrounding tribes and the future generations. Meanwhile, He takes care of innocent victims. Read Psalms. Also, humanity's sin has eternal consequences so eternal judgment is justice. Until 200 years ago there weren't many people and the Gospel and the human population spreaded together at the same time. Today 1/3 humans believe in Jesus and 3/4 humans know about Him. Sense of time is different in afterlife. Only worry for your own sin. Everyone needs Jesus, the Divine Savior of the world.
Stuff the preaching about your insane religion and violent god
God is only violent against bad people.
If God only levies death against "bad people" or those who deserve it... a lot of us have pending death sentences.. just ask Onan...
(struck down by God for "spilling seed".... ( pulling out before climax)
God is only violent against bad people."
Have you mentioned that to Caylee Anthony?
America is one of the few blessed nation with the well-structured, invincible Christian foundation. America must excel other nations and be examplary in EVERYTHING. (It was, decades before.) Otherwise, downgrading will be worse than all other nations. More is given, more will be required of.
Turns out America isn't so "examplary" at spelling...
no we do not need a theocracy
America is Christian and anti-christians should get kicked out of the nation. They are illegals and traitors. Christians are too lenient on thugs.
America is in no way a christian nation. I don't know why this fallacy continues to exist. Our founding fathers were not Christian, but rather Deist, Agnostic, and Atheist. Why do you think they fled Europe? It was because of people that existed there such as yourself who were intolerant and ignorant in grasping the act of reasoning. The only reason people will be leaving America is due to the fact that too many of you people are around now and your taking this great country down with it. Ignorance is not bliss.
That's the biggest load of BS I've read in a while. America is NOT a christian nation, one of the founding principles was freedom of religion, not freedom for only christians. As for traitor, show me in the laws of the United States that declare that you MUST follow the christian religion and worship the christian god. Your blind dislike of non-christians is clouding your judgement, open your eyes.
Jesus just told me that you're a jerk. But he did want to thank you for helping police the world through fear.
Okay, now I KNOW you're a troll.
Why do people insist on this ridiculous notion that America is a christian nation?
@Really & Proof – You guys have been reading the strangest history books. Probably modern, public school ones. "None of the founding fathers were religious"? That's one of the most bogus statements about history you can make. Let's look at who believed in God or gods and who didn't at the time of the revolution. Among the non-believing Agnostics/Atheists/Deists/Humanists/whatever was Thomas Jefferson and ... well, nobody else. Among those who were strong of faith in their God/gods were George Washington, John Adams, Samuel Adams, John Hancock, Nathan Hale, Benjamin Franklin (believed in God, but not the deity of Christ), James Madison, James Monroe, Alexander Hamilton, Paul Revere, John-Paul Jones, and many others. People like you are evidence that the public school system's brainwashing techniques are working. Sadly, that's about the only public school system program that does.
No, America is tolerant of Christians and every other faith, for that matter. The idea was to welcome all religions, not declare loyalty to one. Happy to hear you're enjoying your Christian faith. But you're in America. There are lots of different people here. Remember your first day in kindergarten? Well, this is kind of like that. Share. Be nice. Respect your neighbor's space, and their freedom to choose just as you do. Play nice, or go somewhere else.
Christian education? Would that include fondeling our kids in church by the prist?!?!?
No, that's public education, where high schoolers and the occassional middle schooler have sex with their teachers.
Because Jesus and Mary Magdalene are great examples?
I knew somebody would bring religion into this.
Is that that same Christian education that condoned slavery in America?
i dont care what everyone else is replying to you @Faith. You got the right idea! 🙂
You shame the rest of us thinking Texans with your bible belting girl. I hope I never fkd u when I lived in N.E. Texas. You didn't deserve the multiple O's.
Is that you Palin
LOL @ TexasGirl – You're kissing a trolls @$$!!?
Faith, monogamy is a HUMAN MADE invention. Humans are not supposed to be celibate until marriage, they are not supposed to have sex with only one person in their lives (if they were, only one would fit) and it's time to admit those two facts.
Actually studies have shown that men did not evolve to produce "as many children as possible." This is evidenced by the fact that the human baby is basically worthless until the age of around 5. The child can't walk, talk, has no motor-skills, etc. This differs from the animal kindgdom in which a cow (or similar animal) can walk within 24 hours and keep up with it's mother almost immediately. Humans are completely different. A pregnant human mother has a hard time walking, getting what she needs (if we weren't in modern society) and has to have care/help. This further supports mongogamy. This idea that men can't control themselves and are ruled by their penises only makes your gender appear weak. I think it's a poor excuse for you to live how you wish without responsibility for yourself or the feelings of others you destroy in your path. I hope you find help. Come on men, you're stronger than that. Quit making excuses of why you can't be faithful or good people.
People here are free to follow whatever faith, or none. Plenty of so-called "Christians" who harm others. Otherwise, I agree with your comment. Many men feel they are entitled to sex with a woman, which is why (female) prostitution is so prevalent. Women do not feel entitled to sex with a man, which is why there is so little (male) prostitution aimed at women.
I would agree that the oldest profession is prostittion. Even before man learned to to work the soil, women were using their sexuality to have men take care of them. More power to them, they found a way to sit back and enjoy the ride while men slave away (hunting and gathering) just by showing some cleavage here and there...LOL
A rare glimpse into the male psyche.
As you reference hunting and gathering, perhaps you should look up who spent most of the time gathering. It was and still is the women in hunter gatherer societies. Also, the gathering is of more significance than the hunting as meat is not supplied daily, but the roots, nuts and berries are. The women also prepare all the food, so get over yourself.
Your horse is pretty high there. He was making a joke. Pull your panties out of the crack and relax/
If that's a joke it's in pretty bad taste, and if it's not you don't sound well.
And I suppose you were there to see all this so you can tell us? Dang, you are some long-lived guy!
Bet you're one of the people who rags on people of faith because there's no solid evidence...but there' s no solid evidence for what you're promoting, either!
Photos of Prince Andrew with child prostitute, and lurid details of 'naked pool parties'.
http://www.dailymail (replace this dot) co (replace this dot, too) uk/news/article-1362380/Prince-Andrew-naked-pool-parties-paedophile-friends-house.html
I guess the wealthy can do this with impunity...
When there's demand, there'll be supply.....
targeting prostitution is wasting of taxpayer money IMHO...... no wonder California is so broke
Really?? we are wasting money on this??? I understand that some people have been trapped in a "slavery" type deal but whats the percentage??? It's the oldest proffestion in the world. As long as no one is getting hurt whats the deal?? police are wasting tax payers money on a victomless crime...for the most part. Maybe the Gov should tax it like California taxes Weed and then we can get something done in this country.
You evidently did not read the article. Forced prostitution and human trafficking are not victimless crimes. As the article points out, many prostitutes are lured into the trade and then treated horribly by their pimps. The prostitutes are the victims. The pimps are the criminals.
How do we lock up the biggest pimp of all?? Uncle Scame
How are prostitutes victims? Unless they're in fact imported from another country to work as a prostitute they are not victims. Here in Australia (Well my state anyway) prostitution is legal and regulated, instead of trying to stop something you can't – – you regulate it. Personally I have no issues with prostitution, they chose how they want to live, and I can respect that.
it's amazing to read men here finding their way to " reason" that prostituting an underage is okay and using "taxes" as an excuse, it sounds like a kid protecting their candy from being taken away- stop your b.s , you support prostitution because you can't get laid otherwise and it upsets you because if it's gone how are you gonna support your nasty little habit, fucken pedophile!
@anna stop being stupid!!! I read the article, what I'm talking about are straight up and down prostitutes that know what they are doing. I'm no saying regulated it so little kids get molested or sold for sex. That's stupid. What I'm saying is, is that it is a victimless crime and has been around since the dawn of time. I would rather see the police stop the drugs!! Stop crack babies stop the robbing so that a junkie can get a fix. The money that the U.S. spends on stopping a grown woman from selling a sex is insane!! You're a blow hart. And since you mentioned it….i've never paid for sex because I'm not a ugly dog. You on the rag?? Having a bad day? Get off the net and stop trolling!!
pretty sure i didnt read any comments that are for underage prostituting.
I am 27 and a woman. I spent three years as a prostitute in Nevada. I loved every day of it. I was never forced, lied to. I grew up in a good home with normal parents. They were not happy about my choice, but then again it was my choice. I like sex, have for a while, hope to continue having sex. I really liked the money that it offered. Allowed me to start a business. Some girls did drugs. Most of them were kicked out of the brothel for it. Don't judge until you have tried it. I have always said, now more than ever, legalize it, tax it, regulate it, require exams and proof of age/residency, and counseling for those that need it. Man/woman will always be willing to sell if the demand/price is right.
But if they pay for it then they do get laid don't they. Paying for sex just allows you to skip all the date stuff you don't want to go eat or to a movie and no walks on the beach you just want to bust one.Then pay for another hot chick on the next night sorry you don't agree but sex will always sell.
Well Josh I guess you didn't really read any comments. Cause Chrisstopher has admitted that he is a pedo, got caught and want prostitution to be legal for children of any age. He refuses to admit that he has a problem, and should admit himself to a prison or a mental institution.
@jconvo -well convo, you didn't say underage either on your first comment but you seem to be really triggered by what i said, you must feel some guilt about something that you have to let everyone know how good looking you are, and by the way you don't have to be ugly to pay for sex- at least marc is honest about it and sick christopher, but you seem to be indenial about the whole thing- raping an unwilling child is one of the worst thing you can ever do to any human being- my personl opinion: their chance to have a somewhat normal happy life is taken away from them, it's almost like taking their life away from them, i think that men who exercise this kind of power over the weak are weaker because it's easy to pick on someone weaker who cannot fend for themselves, one thing for sure that if any sick fuck touch my kid, let god be merciful on my soul because i will unleash every beast in me and force -feed that nasty animal down that throat- ecclessiastes: " there's time for everything, time for anger and time for revenge"..
oh and one more thing convo- i happen to have a very dear friend whose child was a victim of this shit and when he came home he was never the same suicidal each day for years that they have to move everywhere the entire family suffered and ruined all because of a sick fuck who loves little blond kids, now i'm saying this again, let god be merciful on my soul because i will not be as passive..
Josh, go back and read Chrisstopher's comments.
You know what Ann?? You are one sick twisted B*** no One on her has been talking about screwing your little kid. You think you are on here talking to the person that hurt you as a child is on here talking to you about what happened to you when your where a kid?? Is that what you think?? You are stuck on you past and we are way beyond talking about Pimp hoes and illegal trafficking. This is from like 5 days ago and you still running your mouth?? I'm sure we can find someone stick something you your mouth!!! Yes you pissed me off you are lower than a troll. You need help with your issues???? Of find a shrink. Because nothing of what I said lead me or anyone else on here for you take personal attack people. You need Help Anna for what that creep did to you But it wasn't me. So kiss off!
please, the 'ho is just as guilty as the pimp. Quit being so sexist, Looney California! 'MDS', jeez, rellember when CNN was actually a good news outlet, rather than the polar opposite of Faux News?
Funny how prostitution doesn't cause problems in countries where it's legal. If you make it illegal and drive it underground, then you get 12 year old hookers.
But in America, we prefer to punish rather than prevent.
All (actual) evidence to the contrary. Nevada's illegal prostitution industry is nine times greater than the state's legal brothels and sex trafficking of minors in Vegas is higher per capita. HumanTrafficking . org
The reason it is higher is because of the number of people that come to Vegas to party. In order to go to a brothel in Vegas you have to leave Clark county and drive to counties that do legalize prostitution in brothels. It's quite the drive. Plus it can be very expensive. So pimps bring the illegals to the city. This makes it much cheaper but also more dangerous for the girls and the johns.
Prostitution is wrong. It make the civilization immoral and worthless. Anything you don't want for your own innocent child's life must not be done to any other humans on earth, and it must be fought against till the Kingdom comes. And regardless of age, if you don't care about your child spending his/her entire life as a prostitute, you are a criminal and belong to jail.
How is prostitution wrong? Because you say it's wrong? or because religion says it's wrong? In any case both reasons are false. I'm not even going to bother going into a deep though out response because I understand your a blind sheep that has probably grown up terrified of going to hell.
hey Sean, it's you're* Idiot atheist.
hey bwllm..yolu are the biggest IDIOT of all!!!!!! Can come up with a valid argument so you just name call, let me quess, you are an uneducated religous moron??? Classic!
Sean, read my comment below. Child-abusers and womanizers indeed go to hell.
Faith you crack me up.... so you have been to hell and back, so what did you do to deserve to go there, did you covet thy neighbor and get paid for it?
Yeah, you don't go after the "drug", you nail the dealers!
@ anna. Are you mentally disabled? Do you not fathom your nonsense hysteria? I never said underage prostitution was somehow acceptable, in fact my comment has nothing to do with children what-so-ever. Grow up and maybe learn how to reason with both sides and not jump to conclusions. Foolish human.
Is anyone nailing the guys that are hiring the prostitutes?
Well Yeah, the Pros are nailing those guys.
Y. thirteen arrests for "pimps"
Men, your uncontrolled lust is the problem. Every girl is born to this world to be loved and cherished by one good man for lifetime, never to become a victim of filthy lust. We need more number of gallant men who'd rather die than hurt or abuse a girl. Men must sacrifice themselves to protect women and children, never the opposite. American dream? American men, read your anthems. You are anything but your forefathers' dream. USA is becoming its ancestors' shame by being morally chaotic. America must repent.
This lust you speak of is a result of EVOLUTION – If we didn't get horny looking at each other there would be no babies. The average male has evolved to procreate like there's no tomorrow; we could father a baby every day of the year until we're dead, roughly from the age of thirteen. You must get this idea of Godly perfections out of you brain. No amount of Bible thumping will bring perfection to this world.
The act of cohabition and s3x with multiple partners is natural and anthropologically sound. In this instance it is an act between 2 consenting adults, not a three way with one dissenting adult, i,e you. Grow up. Your mother and father did it so you can pontificate on this blog.
Secular men are stupid and evil – the last thing this planet needs.
You are a religious nut. Any validity your argument may contain is negated by the fact that you let a group of wealth stealing liars create your opinion for you. If there is a God, I highly doubt he whispers into the ears of popes and priests. And a 2000 year old book that stole half it's ideas from Babylon (and the rest from our current version were REVISED by King James btw) is not evidence for a deity. Oh and just for the record, the CATHOLIC CHURCH used to promote prostitution as a way to prevent rape.
Dear Faith: Man issues?
I like how you are ignoring lust issues that women have. and chivalry is dead because women killed it.
Faith, you are totally sexist and demeaning to WOMEN!
so your saying women should be subservient to men? WOW were are all my ladies at?
Faith is ho bag, loose arby's roast beef between the legs.
I agree with Faith. However I wish my parents had castrated me before puberty so that I wouldn't have these feelings of uncontrollable lust. Actually we should just castrate everyone but a few designated breeders so we wouldn't have all these uncontrollable feelings of lust flying around.
Is that guy really wearing a Duke hat?
the very fact that this guy is wearing a duke hat is proof enough that his entire operation is a shame. How can the public intrust a servent to prosecute pimping when coach K is guilty of pimping out kids' educational aspirations for the needs of his own enormous ego!
Legalize, regulate, tax. The war on sex is as stupid as the war on drugs which was as stupid as the war on alcohol. Dumb. We have better things to spend our resources on.
We( including me) read too much into the things we believe are the problem(s) of modern society. There is justification in every thing- if you just look for it-no one is too proud to choose to 'survive' in this world. Its ok to be right winged, left winged and centered(or whatever) on this topic, however you want to argue it. Currently there are many things we practice now that we once believed was immoral to previous generations, and there are other 'foul' things we practice today that was once accepted by other generations without issue. The ballance is in preception and the basis/causes you base those preception(s) on. Wrong or right, people do things out of 2 principles: Need and Want; and in turn these 2 things govern each other and will continue to do so until mankinds' the end of time.
-No one wants to be a prostitute- they have needs they need met so they do what they must to get where/what/who they want.( physicaly, emotionaly, financialy, ect). The thing that needs to be taught in this world is not whats wrong in the world and the many oppinions of why its wrong, but what mutual 'respect' means and what the words 'I am responsible' means. We spend more time trying to fix things for our kids and kid's kids future, that we do not have time to fix things for ourselves(and our country for that matter) in this moment of time. Maybe if we fixed those things for ourselves, in our own lifetime, our kids just may do the same in theirs, and eventualy, those foul things in the world may just self-extinguish in a few generations. We are all fools if we think we can fix the whole world over night.
very well said.
Simple fact. None of the arrests of the Johns or prostitutes would have happened without the active participation of the police.i.e entrapment. In a victim-less "crime" there is no trafficking at all, the girls are in it voluntarily and is a transaction between 2 consenting adults. Decriminalize prostitution, you put bread on the table and the police can save our tax dollars in fighting real crime.
there are some intsances of traffiiking but the large majority are doing it strictly for the cash. most are traveling hookers bouncing city to city using craigslist. Heck even a well known dating site is promoting this now and its legal hahahaha. College girls can get their bills paid by making a date. But these guys will have you believe that all girls are shipped in on a box truck from asia and put to work in bed, BSSSSSShiot. Just jump on your local craigslist and see for yourself, better yet since these idiots are so slow at fighting crime check backpage, thats where all the acting is now.
Folks these girls are not the victim. (Not the ones I have met, at least.) They want the Gucci and the Chanel bages. They want to German cars and have a taste for the good life. A man will blow his one week pay in just a couple of hours with them ... Who got used? Legelize it, tax it and let's keep our prison for violent criminals.
All those $5 hookers hanging out on the corner can buy Gucci bags with their earnings? Wow!
A few women can make the kind of money you're talking about, and even then only for a few years. Most don't.
Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann will soon be going door to door selling buttplugs.
Honest Pimps trying to make a living by selling what people like.. pussi..
– Sumero Kolcako
This is a waste of time, money, and effort. Prostitution is NOT wrong when you have CONSENTING adults! Period and point blank. All of this God this, and that, and sin, and burning in hell, is crap. If God does value all people and all people are his children, then why can't they repent? Also most folks who throw God around act less God Like in their daily lives. Now back to the topic at hand. Prostitution should be legal, women/men should have to register for a license, must work in a license brothel, must get regular exams, and use protection with each and every act without fraud. The sex worker should be taxed by the IRS, and the brothel should be taxed by the IRS using a Sin Tax. Use this money for sex education, STD education, clinics, etc.
convicted of being a pimp first time =30 days in jail.............convicted second time=a ,45 bullet right between the eyes......there another problem """"""' SOLVED """"'
Prostitution is pretty cool. It's legal in many countries outside of the US. All you prudes need to get your freak on in a legal country then you'll understand.
You're days of entitlement spending will soon be over ... police departments saving little girls. *spit* It's communism at its core and proof that Obama is Stalin reborn in an American black man.
This is just one of those things that will never go away, no point in crying that its not getting better just how many do with drugs. Just keep fighting it as always. Just how there will always be war there will always be prostitution and drugs. I personally don't agree legalizing anything that will cause social harm to the population. I believe in karma and God, not trying to bible thump or anything but places in the bible where they didn't have morals God destroyed. So far every powerful country in history has fallen so we might not want to speed things up, In God We Trust is there for a reason. Plus if you don't like your tax money stopping these type of things go live somewhere else and pay taxes there if it's so great here. N Faith shut up because I was born and raised on U.S. soil n would gladly give my life for my sister, mother or wife.
Ok, so why are pimps protected from being classified as child molesters by the law when they clearly had sex with under aged children? Why do we spend millions of dollars on finding internet sex predators only to find one stupid person who never had sex with anyone and put him in jail for life? Why do we allow TV to teach our children that sex is ok with anyone they so desire (TV reality shows)?
Got to keep your Pimp Hand Strong! Bitches be Crazy!!
wake up dirtbag get a job
Hey "educateyourself",
You are correct when you say that women are hunter/gatherer's. You hunt men and gather them to pay for all your needless BS.
Legalized prostitution exists in Nevada and guess what, there is still illegal prostitution going on. Legality is not the problem.
It is only legal in King county not all of Nevada.
Nevada doesn't have a King county. It is illegal in Clark, Washoe, Douglas, and Lincoln counties, and Carson City but legal in the 12 other counties
there is nothing wrong with selling what you have, as long as you don't pass on any STD's then fine, "have a ball"! There is possible only one other thing i can see wrong with selling yourself, its the placement of the street-walkers... say one place/area allows the walkers, and the rest of town is off limits. There should be a place where you go to be a walker, you sign up, you get perks like a nice room, clean sheets, you get the portection of the state laws instead of random losers... this way its regulated, taxed, and counted... just like what they should to for weed
Legalization makes it worse:
From HumanTrafficking . org
"...after a two-year study of how prostitution functions in Nevada, one of the book's conclusions is that prostitution and sex trafficking are linked in the state as in other localities. Sex trafficking happens when and where there is a demand for prostitution and a context of impunity for its customers"
"Nevada's illegal prostitution industry is nine times greater than the state's legal brothels"
For all of you idiots that compare prostitution to the victims of sex trafficking, you should learn the difference between the two. Your the ones that give power to the traffickers to enslave others by your ignorance and your hoorah for prostitution. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME. One is a choice and the other is forced enslavement. Would you like to be a slave and have others talking about, oh how cool prostitution is?! Most are men that praise prostitution and put it in the same category as sex trafficking. REAL MEN DON'T BUY GIRLS. REAL MEN DON'T BUY GIRLS. REAL MEN DON'T BUY GIRLS. REAL MEN DON'T BUY GIRLS. REAL MEN DON'T BUY GIRLS. REAL MEN DON'T BUY GIRLS. LOSERS.
The are indubitably linked though as shown in studies done on Nevada's legal and illegal prostitution.
Only an uninformed idiot would compare SEX TRAFFICKED victims to PROSTITUTION (LEGAL OR ILLEGAL). AND only use one study out of one state out of 50 (not to mention one state out of the entire world) to give basis to your stupid argument.
Since you have yet to offer any empirical evidence to support your opinion I would have to say that the score is still me 1 you 0. And that was just one study, here in America, where prostitution is legal, there are studies from the Netherlands and (conversive studies) from Sweden which all corrolate with eachother that Prostitution and sex trafficing go hand in hand. All these studies and more can be viewed at humantrafficking . org. Score me 3 you still with the goose egg.
OMG, thats hilarious, santohell is a moron, HAHAHA
Only an UNINFORMED and UNEDUCATED idiot would not realize that where there is prostitution there is the activy of sex trafficking
Look into the mirror....AMERICA
You are fatter than the everyone else in the world while others go hungry.
You buy more underage sex than anyone else in the world.
You consume more illegal drugs than anyone else in the world.
You consume more legal drugs than anyone else in the world.
You produce more trash than anyone else in the world.
You spend more on weapons to kill than anyone else in the world.
Your addicted to pornography.
You borrow more money than anyone else in the world.
You consume more of the earth's resources than anyone else in the world.
You hate more than anyone else in the world.
All the while we claim to be the most religious people in the world and the most ethical and morally just.
What a contradiction in morals and ethics.
What a country we have become just because WE DO NOT HONOR OUR MOTHER AND FATHER. If we did we would try learning more from them and go back to a time when we had morals and bound by a shared sense of ethics.
Well Put! Run for office.
So why don't you leave...
@ marc, why should we leave? isn't America ours too? Don't we have as much right to be here as any one else? Aren't our opinions covered under the Bill of Rights for freedom of speech? While I may personally believe in God, the Christian faith and moral values, I also know that my shoving my beliefs will NEVER change another's mind. Only their own God experience can do so. All I can do is live peacefully, helping others, practice Jesus' teaching of loving my neighbor, and living my life without judgement of others. I personally believe in judgement and hell, but it's not for me to condemn someone to it.
There is no lower form of life than a pimp. Period.
Absolutely Right. Human vultures, all of them!
REAL MEN DON'T BUY GIRLS. PERIOD. If your buying it your a loser.
Guess that means more kitty for me then.
What if a guy simply can't get laid? What does he do then?
SantoSaint- Real men are unfortunately indirectly buying it all the time. There's more than one way of paying.
FYI: "Your" = possessive eg. "I ownzors your rear-end"
"You're" = truncated "You are". You want the second one.
If 2 dudes or 2 chicks can get married in some states why can't a man pay to have relations . Are we a society of moarlity for certain things??
pimps need to be registerd sex offenders....slugs in the community need to be stepped on
If the law would classify pimps as child molesters, you would see pimping disappear over night, because no body wants to go to jail as a "child molester" these days!! Going to jail as a pimp is a badge of honor in these times and it is protected and treated with respect by law!
This article is about pimps and how they force women to be prostitutes... That is worng and should be stopped, but don't forget there are thousands of woman across the states that do this for money and don't have pimps. They are independent. Why should that be illegal. Sex in general isn't illegal so if a woman of her own CHOICE wants to give up sum booty and ask for sum money then it should be her CHOICE. That's why it might be good for these women to do the deed first and then ask if they can get some money afterwards cuz they need a favor. Just be friends with your clients and the whole prostitution thing goes out the window!!! LOL... Lets take this example and tell me how it is illegal... I have a friend who is a girl and she is in dire need of money, so if she were to ask me for money to help her out and I do so and then go see her the next day or maybe a couple weeks and ask her for a favor that happens to be sexual it is still her choice to say yes or no right? I did her a favor and she did me a favor as a friend, yet this could be deemed as paying for sex when in reality its two people helping each other out... Cops and authorities don't need to be involved in that anyway... It wouldn't be no different if my friend asked me to come over and help her with some mechanical work or whatever and then when I go into the house and say I'm done she decides to give me a reward for being so nice. Either way she is giving sexual favors for services rendered that would have cost money so it could be deemed the same thing as prostitution but it absolutley is not. It comes down to personal choice for women who CHOOSE to do this all on their own. Yes I do beleive that people should be punished for forcing girls into this profession no matter what their age is. But if people on here are gonna talk about prostitution as a whole and its legality its too black and white for knowing what is right and wrong. To the government/police its not about right and wrong anyway as it is more about uncle sam getting his fair cut for doing nothing during the whole transaction. Don't let the media and these stupid articles blind you to the real reason the authorities even care about this!! (MONEY) And so what if you have daughters, it's your job as a parent to keep them off the pole, literally!!
After all your idiotic word vomit, you show your lack of intelligence and reading skills. You go on and on about how it's a woman's choice. READ THE ARTICLE AGAIN OR READ IT FOR THE FIRST TIME. It is about sex trafficking and these victims are enslaved by the sex trafficker. It has nothing to do with a woman making a choice about her body. IT'S ALL ABOUT SOMEONE NOT HAVING ANY CHOICES AND BEING A SEX SLAVE. This has nothing to do with prostitution it's about sex enslavement and trafficking.
How about taking the pimp and forcing him or her into sexual slavery? I know, that's horrible. Just imagine what a changed man he would be after that torture. Ok, that's enough. It's just sad.
They do it's called prison.
Pimps put a lot of hard work and time to train and discipline these little sluts. Pimpin' truly ain't easy. I love hookers.
You sound like someone I should be working for.
Yes, surely you should. After all that's your life's calling.
Because if their pimps out it gives them a chance to escape the life their in...WRONG. It gives them a chance to keep all the money for themselves. Some of them will still work for the pimp even while he's in jail sex will always sell no matter what you do sorry it's just a fact.
And for the comment that real men don't buy girls... That's only true given what your particular situation in life is... I would bet that a good majority of guys that buy girls arent doing it just cuz they can't get booty somewhere else but rather by paying for it they don't have to deal with the other female dramas associated with sex... feelings, committment, etc... Sum people just want sex and want it to be discrete and thats why the money even comes into play... You are paying for that discretion PERIOD.... Granted sum dudes can't get any and need these women... What about guys who are handicapped and can't get a women on their own? People in general are shallow and that's why a beautiful woman wouldn't give them any without them paying... Being in a wheelchair is already depressing I am sure, but not being able to have female contact as well?? That's not right. So in a way these women offer services for some people that couldn't otherwise find it on their own... All of this crap, people buying drugs and prostitutes, is not what bothers the government. The fact the government can't track these transactions and get their share is what bothers them. They need to tax our money 3 maybe 4 times over before they are satisfied. People are gonna get high and buy prostitutes until the end of time, thats just the way it is... So why waste our taxpayer money on trying to stop something you cant? Its like a war on terrorism... LOL... Give me a break... That isn't going away either... But we spend billions and billions of taxpayer dollars on trying to stop things that can't be stopped. Does that make any sense at all??? No wonder we are a nation in debt!!!
Men worth a woman's time don't need to pay for sex. The other losers can enjoy their mom's basement, Star Trek conventions, hookers and the incurable crud that comes with them.
Maybe you lived under a rock while actors, politicians and Wall St. banksters went around getting busted for doing just that. It's more likely these men are loaded because a lot of these high end prostitutes run around $10k a night minimum, with many topping $100k for one night.
There aren't many more lucrative professions in the world.
Another bait and switch. Try to criminalize two CONSENTING ADULTS conducting a transaction that harms no one else by lumping them in with human traffickers who coerce women against their will. These are two polar opposite things.
Did you read the comment or was the word idiot just dying to come out of your mouth before you even knew what you just read? LOL... Obviously Trafficking and Prostitution are different things, and I kow what the article is about. Before I even commented I read through these posts and saw how once again everyone gets off track from the story. So my comments were touching base with most of the comments made for the article and for the legality of prostitution... Tell everyone else to stay on track and we wouldn't have these issues... Also the name calling doesn't add anything smart or intelligent to the conversation.... It just shows your ignorance... It's easy to call names and be tough on a computer... Learn to read and actually state some intelligent thoughts that contribute to what everyone is talking about.... IDIOT!!!
Thank you for this article, and I hope that it receives wide dissemination. Human trafficking, and the idea of human beings being bought and sold is at the very least repugnant. I wish we could stem and curtail the demand..........there is certainly no limit to the number of victims at this point.
It is sad to think that there is an entire criminal culture that has been literally built on the backs of sexual servants; what rivals that ill is the thought that there is an appetite for it in our society...........www.bhtc.us
Sorry, but in the case of most of the American girls who turn to prostitution the problems is not the pimps, but their parents who didn't teach their daughters that making money through prostitution is not a good thing. Most were not forced, they got into it because they wanted money and in amounts they could not easily make working at McDonalds or WallMart. They are not the victims. The same tearjerking story about victimization could also be made up about the users of prostitutes... 'oh, these poor young men who are drawn into buying sex by these terrible women'. I have heard that too and it is just as wrong. These are mostly adults and they should be treated as that. Not given the excuse of being 'victims'.
Snort... someone FORCED the men to pay for sex and they are the real victims? Pobrecitos.
I'm looking for a pimp for my daughter. We share the same dim light bulb, except she doesn't have the delusions of grandeur like me.
I'm goin' to work for Geezer, mom. And if you're smart, you will too.
I would love to, but I have a little odor problem. It's a bit south of cheese.
Let me get this straight? Pimps prey on young girls dreams??!?!? Omg, it all makes sense now.
Legalizing prostitution will not solve the sex slavery and trafficking issue. Just as many girls will work the streets illegally as did before, because nobody wants the government sniffing up their backside (literally).
The problem runs quite deep. We live in a society that has glamorized and encouraged promiscuity. A return to morality is the real solution, but not one we're likely to see. Why? Because everyone wants to have their fun, all while treading a fine line and pointing their own dirty fingers at somebody else.
H.D. prostitution, trafficking and slavery have always existed... even in times and places that were considered more moral... it is either the oldest profession or the second oldest (after shaman, healer etc... as someone suggested). A lot of it comes down to lack of respect. For others, maybe it is the only way they can get sex if they do not have someone in their life or have a health problem that most others would find repulsive. We are all sexual beings. It is very complicated. If someone willingly and only willingly is willing to exchange sex for money, using safer sex methods and get regular check-ups for people who are alone or have health issues, I see no problem- it seems like a mission of mercy almost.
I am a Libertarian and as such, I am not opposed to legalized [REGULATED] prostitution. However, I feel such a trivial fraction of both prostitutes and clients would use legal brothels that it would be unlikely to curb the issue of sex slavery/trafficking and spread of disease. Nevada is a prime example of this social experiment gone wrong.
I am opposed to prostitution *personally* for myriad reasons, but I do not allow my own moral convictions based on my own emotions and life experiences to stand in the way of law and reason. I'm aware we are sexual creatures, but I am also aware we are, at least in theory, highly evolved animals from a psycho-social point of view. We should have risen above this. Instead, it seems we have become ever more deviant.
I'm in Philadelphia and have interviewed numerous street prostitutes. They have all (at least 20 women) told me that the cops, especially vice cops, are some of their best clients, and the cops even tell their favored girls when the vice squad will be out making arrests. One girl told me her very first trick was with a cop. Usually they stop the girl while in uniform and tell the girl to meet them at a certain time and place after work. If a cop gets caught with a girl he can always say she's an informant and he was getting some information from her.
I think it was COPS I saw they mentioned prost. is legal in Nye County NV(granted I don't know what year the ep was filmed) but y'all realize most death from "illegal" activity is from METH AND COKE!!!check out the book "Ain't Nobody's Business If You Do" for more research!it even lists the "age of consent" state by state & I was appalled 2 find out the age in NM is/was 13!!!
Just more idiot republicans trying to legislate their morality. Strange, they see nothing wrong when THEY get caught soliciting sex in the bathroom from other men. Its been going on since the beginning of time and always will. Actually no difference from street prostitutes and the gold diggers who latch onto a man through marriage and immediately quit work and let him take care of them. Well, a little difference. They usually have a lot better lifestyle. Some areas of nevada have legalized it and taxed it with very few problems. A few indian reservations also. Again with very few problems. Personally, Ive never paid directly for it but Ive spent a lot more through the normal dating procedures and rituals. Just seems odd to me how a country thats morally and financially bankrupt can still waste money enforcing such garbage 'morality' laws.
Gambling and prostitution. Nevada also has no state income or property tax. I prefer elective taxes any day. If you don't want to pay the tax, don't gamble or go to the brothel.
Selling's legal. Fucking's legal. Why isn't selling fucking legal?!
the problem prostitution should not be legal at all. All of you have to ask yourself? How would you know if some person is being force to be an prostitute. You wouldn't know. Second you would have to make the pimp the boss just like any other job. Third you have all these crazy people out here Killing, raping young lady and transporting from different country let along our on USA city to city, state to state. Plus what about all the desease out there. Would you want your daughter or mother out there prostituting. I think not!
Its hard out here for a pimp...
Is there anything I can help you with?
I remember watching COPS where they had some undercover cop pose as a hooker only to bust some poor schmuck who was on his way home after a long day's work. He stopped at a light when she was offering herself and of course he says yes because he got tired of mounting whatever old bag he had at home. How is this not entrapment?
Ohhh! Poor tired man would rather risk disease and sleep with a ho-bag than the old bag at home. Poor poor man!
If broads like you would get their fat asses on a treadmill and would keep the forks out of their mouths maybe men wouldn't have to resort to hookers.
How *is* it entrapment? He obviously wanted a prostitute and thought he was getting one, since nobody drugged him or held a gun to his head.
He was on his way home when he got proposition. Reading comprehension clearly isn't your strength.
@Conservatism He could have said no, and he wouldn't have been arrested. Basic common sense clearly isn't your strength.
It could be entrapment, if the wiki is accurate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment .
From the article:
Entrapment holds if all three conditions are fulfilled:
1 – The idea for committing the crime came from the government agents and not from the person accused of the crime.
2 – Government agents then persuaded or talked the person into committing the crime. Simply giving someone the opportunity to commit a crime is not the same as persuading them to commit that crime.
3 – The person was not ready and willing to commit the crime before interaction with the government agents.
In this case, 2 and 3 are arguable, but 1 is definitely fulfilled.
Muchas gracias. ?Como puedo iniciar sesion?
My theory is if some of these girls had studied more in school and got better grades they would have been able to get real jobs or gone to college and not turned to this lifestyle.
Most prostitutes are addicted to drugs, learning disabled, mentally ill or some combination of the three. Many, if not most, come from broken, abusive homes. A large percentage became addicted to drugs as teenagers and entered the world of prostitution to feed their addictions. Without proper outreach, they have few options.
As long as men are willing to pay them, they will continue to trick because there are no set hours and no drug tests required to whore oneself. As long as girls and women continue to offer sexual services for a price, men will pay.
This is not a problem only one gender is responsible for perpetuating.
Ahhhhh, the life of a pimp, always wining! Step one, find girls (underage or other) to have sex with and babies with, then pimp them out to pay for your life style. Get caught, let the state pay for your healthcare, room and board and your illegitimate children. Go to jail with respect from the other inmates. Get out early for good behavior or get out because the state can't afford you living there. Got to step one and repeat. Pimp... ONE: State, tax payers, parents, and girls (with or without illegitimate children)...ZERO!!!! WHAT A COUNTRY!!!!!
Drug dealers and pimps are so easy to pick out, their the ones driving around with the loud boom boom boom hate rap.
Where is the "Core",of This Problem?Does anyone Really Want To Get to the "Core"?
You Put Them in Protective Custody......But no one Stay's in Jail Long.They get out and they do it Again and Again and Again.Until Death Happens.
I can't say I've ever used prostitution, but men just end up paying for sex anyway. If you date a girl, you have to take her out a few times, listen to her problems, try to impress her, etc. It's probably cheaper in the long run to just pay the upfront fee.
If you're only dating for sex, you're dating for the wrong reasons...look for a f*** buddy instead.
It is really not good to force small children both girls and boys or matured woman to do sex, forcing is illegal, but; matured woman, who really wants to do it themselves and got no respect for the society or humanity, I think they should choose a word for themselves as a sex machine, and they cannot think themselves as a human being anymore cause they themselves wants to be a machine.
Small girls or children must be protected by the society and also parents, cause we can't really save a lot of crimes unless we all stand together and stop it ourselves! I must say that a new born baby must have a censor to be kept under surveilance untill they grow up till 18. I hope in future then police wont have to worry about the kids missing!
It is really not good to force small children both girls and boys or matured woman to do sex, forcing is illegal, but; matured woman, who really wants to do it themselves and got no respect for the society or humanity, I think they should choose a word for themselves as a sex machine, and they cannot think themselves as a human being anymore cause they themselves wants to be a machine.
Small girls or children must be protected by the society and also parents, cause we can't really save a lot of crimes unless we all stand together and stop it ourselves! I must say that a new born baby must have a censor to be kept under surveilance untill they grow up till 18. I hope in future then police wont have to worry about the kids missing!
THESE ARE NOT PIMPS, THESE ARE WANNABE PIMPS. REAL PIMPS dont mess with underage girls. REAL INTERNATIONAL MEN OF LESUIRE HAVE STALLIONS ON THEIR TEAM NOT SCALLIONS. IREALLY WISH THE MEDIA WOULD GET ITS FACTS STR8T
Pimpin ain't easy
I'm all for keeping prostitution illegal. Legalizing it would more than likely make my girls go "legit" and work for a house that pays taxes, makes sure the girls are healthy and drug free. My girls don't need any of that. Do you think I care if one of my HIV infected girls services that married father of 3? Nah... All I care about is getting paid. Now if you don't mind I gotta go. I'm sure there are easily manipulated 14 years olds getting off the bus looking for all their dreams to come true.
Pimpin ain't easy LOL
Ever notice how it's really the fat and fugly as well as the "good christian" women who complain? Even your jesus had himself a prostitute. I bet he glazed her starfish.
and he sukked her clitorus too!!!
Please bring on MORE PIMPS!!!! We need more poontung for tonight's cellubration!!!
more ni66ur hors puleeze...we need our diks to get stankin!!!
Another usless, badly written POS from CNN.
You have more pimps and prostitutes in Washington DC than the whole of California. Funny the law makers haven has the worst of everything in their own back yards.
I totaly disagree with this. i think prostitution is like abortion a womans right to her body. Pimps only exist due to it being illegal. then they tie it into human trafficing which includes sex, but i guarantee the majority of people arrested are of age. this is another example of us wasting resources on something we cant possibly control.
women should be fukked by large black cocks until they are RAW!
You should be buried right next to bin Laden.
Actually I live in Las Vegas NV, prostitution IS NOT legal here. It is legal in the brothels that are outside city limits which tend to be inconveinent for most "Johns". So please believe that the "escorts" here make awesome $$$ and most are freelance, as in not working for an agency or a pimp.
Yeah, in the Civil War, the war wasn't against the slaves picking cotton, albeit it certainly was, to an extent, against slaves picking cotton.
Wow, what an innovative idea. Who came up with it?
Since when is it the victim of a crime that puts the cash in their pocket after the crime is committed. Legalize it and you take the pimps out of the picture and force the cops to go after the real criminals. They like prostitution busts because they are always resolved with a fine (revenue) rather then bust a violent criminal who costs profits to deal with.
"With us changing our focus to trying to arrest the pimps, pimping carries a three year mandatory sentence here in California, so to us we have more of an impact because if we can arrest one pimp we can in theory shut down three or four girls because if their pimp's out, it gives them the opportunity to escape the life that they're in."
Can you do this to my boss for me? I can't stand my life sometimes and I'd like to get out...
Corporations prey on young girls dreams as well.
More tax payer money wasted, legalize drugs and prostitution, and if you don't want to participate in either then don't. This is a total WASTE of our tax dollars..
Yes, because calling each other morons and idiots will solve the problem.
The new "California Dream" for these privileged self-absorbed repugnant teenagers of today is to suck as muck c@ck as possible and the pimps are just helping them fulfill it!
yes, and 99% of the hoers in DC are ni66urs!!!
Please neuter yourself before you reproduce.
As a father to a daughter....I have a hard time accepting this. Where are the dads of these little girls, and why would they allow this to happen to them.....second, to the Imps, with a capital I.....whiip their asses, and surgically castrate...and if need be; PUBLIC HANGING.....yes, in America.....when are we going to take a stand against lawlessness and anarchy?????
What struck me first by this article is that it really is a noble effort by Californians and more precisely law enforcement to help these young women and girls. Yes in some cases a seventeen year old young woman is as corrupt as her handler. But they had to draw a distinguishing line to save as much innocence as possible. And if that means that some of the girls will go back to it, then so be it if it also saves some. At any rate, this effort in general is very pleasing to me because it punishes the pimps and encourages the girls to better themselves. This is a good thing. in another country, they might simply kill both the girls and the pimps.....having no mercy or concern beyond judgmentalism. In yet other countries they might legalize it or even encourage it which is equally reactionary in the opposite direction of brutal severity in other countries. But this program here recognizes that the conduct is wrong, that the girls need protecting, and that the pimps too have a chance after punishment. They have to learn that the consenting of adults does not apply to girls simply by nature of the act. Americas religous adversaries in the mideast, were they to give this just a small measure of consideration, would have to conclude that, hey, maybe America isn't so bad. They adore their daughters, value chastity, and are mercifull even in such sacred matters as our procreative capacity. I think Californians are doing the Christ-like thing here. Great job! And thanks to the writer of this outstanding article..
Let's go after McDonalds also for exploiting young girls. While pimping is a problem in more profitable areas like big cities and such. It is really a small problem. around central Illinois, the gals doing it are doing it on their own. Legalize it as well as drugs and quit wasting my tax dollars on such nonsense.
How is prostitution forced, anyway? If there is any coercion, then anyone doing so is looking at at least 20 years in prison if all applicable charges stick.
On the other hand, it's disingenuous to use the word "forced" when 99% of the time the ladies do it voluntarily simply because the only other job they are qualified for with their level of education is working the cash register at jack in the box, which only pays minimum wage.
Exactly Andrey. There is a moral war being waged against prostitution, and they are distorting all the words like "trafficking", "forced prostitution" etc. to decribe mere prostitution by adults, and sometimes by teens. This is morality police! Nothing more, nothing less! Leave prostitutes alone. Legalize!
Girl's gotta eat, man has to have sex. It's a win win.
Legalize prostitution and there will be no need for pimps.
Bingo. Legalize pedosexuality as well and you won't have any children being forced into sexual encounters because those pedosexuals (coming from my experiences as a child and those of my relatives) will be able to find a WILLING child to have sex with.
You sound like a sexual predator, Chrisstopher.
You're comparing apples and oranges. Legalizing pedosexuality is forcing sex on children. Legalizing prostitution is allowing two adults to legally negotiate a rendezvous. You would have a point if I suggested legalizing child prostitution, but I didn't suggest that.
You have been horribly lied to, by your own mind. Whether your body responded (betraying what you knew was wrong) to the sex or not as a child, in your mind you knew it was wrong. And maybe that's what's got you confused. You see, children aren't fully developed mentally, and that is why as adults, its our job to protect them. Their critical thinking skills are still developing, hence, why they are in school. Please get some help...before you continue to hurt other children. The people who hurt you as a child are predators. And the fact that you say your relatives are involved makes me want to vomit. P.S. if u r just trolling on this site to make waves, please go to a different one
To Conky2012: You sound as stupid and ignorant as Peter Griffin! Prostitution is legal in Holland and Nevada (and probably a few other places I'm not aware of) and there are plenty of women – and MEN! – who work in the business! It was as good as legal in the US & Europe (and probably very legal in Asia) until the 20th century and plenty worked in the business then!
Why don't you learn how things are before you spout off about what they will be?
As far as drugs, marajuana and cocaine used to be legal here until the US government made them illegal by exploiting xenophobia and racism (long story, but you're probably not interested in hearing it because you like to make up your own history) and plenty of people used both. Pot is still legal in The Netherlands (another name for Holland, which you probably also did not know) and people use it there. I'm sure if any illegal drug were to become legal here a lot of people would use it! They may not want their neighbors to know they use it any more than a lot of people now don't want their neighbors to know they watch legal porn, but fear of their busybody, nosy neighbors (and I'm sure you're one of them) won't deter enough people from using drugs.
You, sir, are the dummy.
Cops on easy time, probably overtime, wasting time.
Easier to sit in a room with a recorder than go after the REAL criminals; the corrupt investment bankers, the corrupt commercial bankers, the paid-for politicians through political donations by special interests, the crooked leaders of labor unions always looking for government hadouts
prostitution should not be legalized! and the only people that want it to be are nasty pathetic men that want to use the service because they Cant get it anywhere else Hahah!! i do believe in god, but i dont believe this is only a christian nation! and yes pro creation but with one women not every women that gets your little pecker excited! i despise some of the comments on here from men, its sad you weren't raised with better morals!.
Waste of money and time. What if the women have no pimp? She is free to do it if she want to, or is USA a nazi/fascist country that don't allow women work freely in the profession they choose? There's ONLY ONE solution for human trafficking: LEGALIZE and REGULATE the oldest profession. Or keep wasting tax money with useless undercover operations that don't help in anything. And worse is when "undercover" agents reveal their tactics for entire world read and discover how they work. LEGALIZE and REGULATE, any other solution is useless.
Waste of MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Does the phrase "4 floors in Singapore" mean anything to anyone?
Chrisstopher is a frightening example of inhumanity. Minors do not have the mental capacity to understand the longterm consequences of their behavior.
Personally, I find the idea of paying for sex disgusting. I cannot imagine the world you live in. Did you give your daughters lessons when you convinced them to be easy? If you think of your own children's sexuality in this manner, how do you treat their friends? Do you buy them dinner first and think that makes it okay?
The overall crime rate in Singapore is almost nothing compaired to the crime rate in the USA.
It takes two to tango, and I just don't buy 17 year girls have been forced to do anything against their will, although pimps may give impression that they love them more than parents. Come on girls, you can work at McDonald, etc. in USA.
I agree. Waste of money and time. Legalize, License, and Tax this line of work! It has been and always will be around. Focus on steering the underage children out of the business. That should be the goal.
We tax cigerettes and alcohol, as both are bad for health, but we do not make them illegal. Charging for sex between two consenting adults should be treated in the same manner. What is forced should be treated as rape and all persons involved, from the pimp to the clients, should be jailed. Having said that, I would encourage social counselling provided for adults who would like to get out of prostitution, considering its negative impact on self-esteem and even physical well being. I beleive the article was about police tryting to prevent this prostitution against their will or by under-age minors which is valid.
Most female adults are in prostitution as it provides easy money and men are in it because it provides sex without responsibility. Engaging in prostitution is about personal beliefs or morality and peer pressure, not policing can change such behavior.
Pimps? Dream destroying? I think Ed Wood made some films about this!
I pay for sex and there's no law nor "morals" that will make me change. Fortunately in my country it's legal and regulate and I only go to decent places where I know there's no criminals nor traffickers involved. Unfortunately in nazi countries that for false moralist reasons bans freedom and prostitution, the market goes undercover and the adult and free women are considered a criminal just like the pimp who force people to prostitution. Only a complete idiot can defend the nazi/fascist system that's clearly bring no benefits to society, here is rare we see forced prostitution and when it happen police is able to go there and close and bust the owners because prostitution is legal and the authorities always knows who's the owner of the brothel that's committing a crime. I repeat: There's ONLY ONE solution: LEGALIZE and REGULATE. Any other thing is useless, waste time, tax money and produce only more criminality, because like me there's millions and we have the right to pay for sex. No law will make me change, they ban here, I will continue pay, difference is that instead my money goes for the women who is working and for State as tax, it will go for criminals, pimps and mafia.
Also in those countries that is legal, girls, boys,women are forced into prostitution, because you go and is legal it dosent make moral, or something to be proud of.
I work in a hospital an I see women and girls from central america that are forced to work in this places, not to mention forced to work drunk.
The brutality of how this sex slaves are treated is bad even when is legal. If I were a man, I would be sorry that I have to pay to somebody to male feel like a man. Very sad indeed.
Prostitution legal or not ruins lives, no matter what excuse some men use to condone it. Pobre Jose,no puede conquistar si no paga. Poor Jose cant get a girl if he dosent pay.
troll as much u want, I will continue paying. Legal or illegal, my rights to pay for sex nobody will put their hands. It's cheaper and much better than waste time with a boring girl like you. Without mention the sex professionals are always beautiful.
Jose...it is a pointless debate with these "I've been brainwashed since birth" people. They cannot even begin to understand that "prostitution" is only something that moralists came up with to manipulate and control societies. They haven't the thinking capacity to understand that what two consenting adults want to do with each other is no one elses business. They also cannot swallow that the tradition of "dating" in the west is just as much prostitution as anything. Unless a woman/man pays for their half of all the expenses related to that date and sex is involved then it is PROSTITUTION. They just mask it in a societal accepting way to feel better about it. Just because something is paid for upfront doesn't make it any different than being paid for by a dinner, drinks and a movie....unless of course you have a small mind and are incapable of critical thinking.
Why do so many people here assume all sex workers work for a pimp? Most are self-employed.
Girls mature a lot quicker than boys and they pick up the other than pleasure rewards from their mothers at a very young age. What they don't understand form interaction in a family unit in most cases is the down side. There mothers should start this teaching at a younger age than they do, before they pick it up on the street on online. Boys at fifteen are still thrilled by cars, sports and video games where girls are way past them in the sex department thus making them easy targets for the perverted pimp older male. Mothers teach your girls at a younger age, don't leave it to schools and pimps.
Kudos to the California police and all police around the globe who are tackling this ultra-serious issue of trafficking women/kids against their will. Hope more of these pimps get locked up and these victims freed so they can live healthy lives of healing.
Even if they decided to legalize prostitution, as suggested above, they should keep pimping illegal and break those guys down as hard as they can.
Can we stop islam? Girls are forced into "marriages" at the age of 6. Just as sick as this garbage.
Did you read the article dear friend? What does this have to do with Islam or any other religion?
It is easy to stop ot, castrate to the pimps and put them in jail to be used, and the customers have their photo, address,names posted and jail time.
After all they are perverts looking for young girls or boys.
This is great that the California police are taking such an enlightened stance on this issue. Regardless of whether or not prostitution should be legal (which there are arguments for both sides), pimping is a form of human trafficking and needs to be treated as such.
For people interested in learning more, I'd highly recommend checking out notforsale.org or reading any of Victor Malarek's books about sex trafficking.
It's going to take a lot of effort and education to put an end to human trafficking, but nobody said that pimpin' was easy!
these comments are MADDENING. sure, ideally, paying for sex between consenting adults sounds reasonable: simple supply and demand. but when is anything so simple? the issue is that people (including CHILDREN) are taken advantage of and exploited! sure, not every situation is that way – BUT exploitation exists in prostitution!
Any sexual acts with under-aged girls is just not acceptable (or legal). However the "working girls" that I have met were never abused. They have a few things in common; 1- A very poor father image. 2- A taste for the good (material) things in life and no desire to work hard to get it. 3- they usually are supporting a looser. As one explained to me; "Why should I spend a whole week to make $500, when I make it in one hour?" ... To you and I there are many things wrong with that statement, to her it made perfect sense.... Each to their own, I guess.
Too lazy to read all the posts on here, so if somebody's said it already, sorry. Here goes: can you think of anything else that's legal to do for free but illegal to do for money? That's the best argument in favor of legalizing prostitution FOR ADULTS. Of course people under age should not be exploited. And making prostitution legal would go a long way to ending trafficking in underage prostitutes, because the industry would be out in the open and regulated. As it is now, it's all underground because it's illegal. Many countries have legalized prostitution without negative outcomes.
in most parts of the world, the worst thing you can call a man is a pimp. In America its cool
In just about every place they have tried legalizing prostitution, human trafficking and slavery have increased. I'm glad these police officers have recognized that the true problem and cause of prostitution is the exploitation of vulnerable women.
they should lock you up and abuse you too then!
"The Orange County task force is one of 42 federally funded human trafficking task forces across the United States."
what a crock, california is a sanctuary state allowing illegals to hide in our country. yet they make a big deal about this. this is what you don't know, the feds will pay these "victims" to live in this country and send them to school to learn a trade on your SS dollars so when you don't get any money on retirement, that is where it went.
I have often disputed the claim of surveyors to belong to the second oldest profession. I contend that surveying is historically the OLDEST profession. According to James Burke, before the invention of the plow everyone's "profession" was the same – getting something to eat. The use of the plow permitted one to cultivate the land and produce a surplus of food. Without this surplus of food we might today still be just "seekers of food" or "takers of food."
Prior to the plow, there could be no government (no money); no kings, no church, no businesses, nothing to legitimate or illegitimate! However, with a surplus the "takers" would become kings and knowing who's (taxable) crop belonged to whom would be extreemly important.
The "Rope-Strechers" (surveyors) were just the ones who knew how to determine who's was who's and permitted a stable "legitimate" society to develop. It would only be after this that codes of behavior and "normalcy" or legitimacy would have any real meaning. Only after 1) surplus, 2) government, 3) religion, 4) marriage had been instituted could another, more familiar, profession develop who has for a long time claimed to be the "oldest."
Correction! Pimps GIVE them dreams
behead them
Why don't the Pigs leave the people alone. This is a victimless crime that should be legalized. Only in America.
Chrisstopher.....please post some comments solo. Maybe a pyschiatrist (sp) will happen to come across your comments and be able to offer some help. It is never ok to have sex with children. I'm sorry the adults in your life who said they cared about you deceived to so gravely.
Cops prey on people. That's what the article and the lousy CNN media should admit.
Chrisstopher REALLY wants to have sex with kids.
It is time to end laws against prostitution. The cops are at their worst when dealing with this problem. Yes some women and even children are forced against their will go into prostitution – and that should have be legalized or decriminalized. But many women feel that prostitution liberates them and gives them a sense of power in society. Think my argument is nuts? What about the women who have successfully become millionaires in pornography? What is the real difference between the two other than one is legal and one is not?
If we are supposed to be a free country, then freedom becomes with the individual. Who that individual engages with is purely up to that individual and seeing a bunch of cops busting people for prostitution and claim how they are liberating women makes me sick.
If a woman (or man) wants to engage in prostitution – it is their own damn business. We will have about as much success in dealing with prostitution as we have with the war on drugs. We need to learn the difference between consensual acts and criminal acts – and then the cops can focus their limited resources on what really matters.
I have the sollution:
If the Government was legally bound to provide each man with 10 super-models, and those 10 super-models were legally bound to do his every bidding, otherwise they would end up in jail, then the market for prostitution would disappear entirely.
That is the sollution. You pay tax, so you are entiteled to 10 super-models in return.
Or, we could make that a liquid-system:
Each man is entitled to 10 standard women, and the more tax you paid, the more beautiful women you were entitled to.
If standard women were not good enough for you, you could just tell the government that you opted for the deluxe-package instead, and that you would rather pay higher taxes and get women with longer legs in return.
This is the sollution. It is perfect.
Except that those supermodels are ALSO paying taxes, and probably way more taxes than you do. I don't think they'd take it kindly to be "assigned" to some random guy.
please read: "and that should NEVER be legalized or decriminalized..."
They have legalized prostitution ..it's all called the billion dollar porn business..escorts.. video vixens, bunny ranch... As long there is a profit 2 be made off of a person.. there will be someone with evil and corrupt attempt to use it's power to the fullest for a personal profit... now it's plenty of sick individuals who are out here praying on kids.. who are not getting caught.. those the ones I'm concerned about.. they're corporate Amerikkk that are pimping out our youth... but I bet they won't be put on blast on any major network.. hush hush..-_-
I agree with everything that you wrote but then stumbled when I hit the "Corporate AmeriKKKa" pimpin out the minors blah blah blah...crackpipe hit blah blah
Put the punishment of force prostitution punishable death, nobody will want to be a pimp. Reality is force prostitution is a small percentage of prostitution. Many prostitutes are doing it for the money reasons and are not forced. The ones forced are by greedy pimps who want to keep all the money. and this article even entire section is just sensationalizing prostitution. like slavery and force prostitution..report numbers and facts instead of sensationalizing to sell news. the public deserves better.
I know a libertarian, like some making comments, who thinks prostitution should be legal. He also thinks the age of majority should be 13 years old. So if a 13 year old girl wants to run away from home and make a living selling herself on the street, he's OK with that. This is the sort of social deprivation some people want in the name of "freedom".
reality there is no demand for male prostitutes. only gay men would pay for sex. women don't pay for sex. majority of females are into prostitution cause they are in debt, broke or need to pay for school and not forced. sure they may a percentage to pimp like 25% of fees like an employment agency if they work for an agency. or they can be independent.and don't pay one and keep 100% these stories of force prostitution and sex slavery is just talks about greedy pimps or ripping off prostitutes.
We are all whores our government and the banks that run it pimp us out
And cracking down on prostitution is costly for police and court system.. less police for other serious crimes. unless your have long and severe sentencing for pimps who acturally do FORCE PROSTITION OR CHILD PROSTITITION than it's not a deterent for economic crimes like force prostition and child prostition,,,tougher punishment or longer sentencing is a deterent. minimim no parole 20 year sentence for force prostition and child prostittion. because it's destroying another life so life sentence is fair.
and lots are in prostitution to support a drug addiction...no female wants to be prostitute as a career. but have to make ends or single moms etc for economic reasons.
Ever hear of Annie Sprinkle?
I have the sollution:
If the Government was legally bound to provide each man with 10 super-models, and those 10 super-models were legally bound to do his every bidding, otherwise they would end up in jail, then the market for prostitution would disappear entirely.
That is the sollution. You pay tax, so you are entiteled to 10 super-models in return.
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In theory I have no problem with prostitution between consenting adults(but it's nothing I would ever do). There are people out there who don't mind selling physical sex. However, these people strike me as a very small minority. The real question is how often is it truly out of choice versus being forced by outside circumstances. If the majority of the time it's forced then prostitution should probably stay illegal. Regardless, child prostitution should always be illegal.
Give real punishments to the Johns, the only reason there are pimps and underage hookers is because there are millions of people (mostly men) wanting to pay for it.
A three year mandatory sentence in a state that is having to release criminals ahead of time because of overcrowding. These pimps would probably be the first ones released unless they have a crimiinal record that includes violence. Actuallu, I'm suprised they just don't legalize it like Nevada. I guess it's ok to get stoned in California but you can't pay for sex.
First of let me start off by saying this has been going on for many, many years ("pimping") but before it was ok when it was majority white women and men running "escort services" this "pimping" business is now under more scrunity than ever before. Yes the internet makes it more easier and more accessible but to say that every quote on quote "pimp" is out there taking every amount that the girl gets on a call is not really the case. If the law wants to build a case then they need to get the "working girl" testify saying that her "pimp" beats her and gives her all his cash. Other than that THIS IS A WASTE OF MY AMERICAN TAX PAYING MONEY. You are really giving out 3 year mandatory prison time (felony charges) for a "misdemeanor crime" (consenting adults wanting sex and one pays for it and other agrees to accept it), which the "working girl" gets no time at all usually and gets a fine , maybe probation. Do you see something wrong in this picture? Then the article talks about "human trafficking" which is not the same as what you are sentencing a "pimp" for but YES it can be if he is "human trafficking" a person but from what i see is that most of your so called "pimps" do not conduct business in "human trafficking". So this article is really touching 2 different subjects here. Again the law is wasting time because most of these women will be right out doing "prostituting" even if they do have "pimps" and they will do it as an "independent" or they will just get with another "pimp". Yes please get rid of the ppl who are "human trafficking" ppl (send them to prison) but this is the minority not the majority you are catching on these stings. This is a lose lose situation. You are wasting too much man power and hours on these harmless crimes. Morally incorrect – Yes but other than that very low on the " TO CATCH A PREDATOR OR CATCH A KILLER" level!!!!
If I call up a phone number advertised and say exactly the same things the cop does and the person on the other end is a female cop pretending to be a prostitute in order to rob and imprison people looking for sex they will rob me, take all my money, and kidnap me, lock me up in jail for doing it. So a cop doing the same thing should be guilty of the same thing and locked up for soliciting prostitution. Cops should not be allowed to break the law any more than an ordinary citizen is. In addition; if a female advertises an escort service and meets a man at a hotel and proceeds to rob him and tie him up she will be accused of robbery and kidnapping. If a female cop does the same thing then the female cop should be arrested and charged with robbery and kidnapping. In non urgent situations the police should never be allowed to break the law in order to enforce a law. If a law requires the police to break it in order to enforce it then the law needs to be changed.
The article said 13 pimps were arrested in nine months. I am willing to bet there were far more than 13 prostitutes in Orange County in the past nine months. If they could only find 13 pimps in nine months that means that trafficking is relatively rare, i.e. most sex workers are not trafficked.
Is it true in USA cops can pretend to be whores to send innocent people to jail? If Hitler was alive he would find it a very good idea to apply in his Nazi Germany. And USA think is a free country, what a joke. Here if a cop do it, she's immediately sent off the corporation and can even go to jail for serious violation of Constitution and Human Rights. I live in Brazil and here the law is clear, pimp is forbidden, but we're a democracy, so woman can choose the job they want to do. The brothels here are like bars, the women are free to work where they want, how they want, and in as many brothels they want, their job is make the customers spend a lot with erotic shows (no touching the girl) and others thing, if we want take them to bed we deal direct with them and pay direct for them. Naturally some fascists here will say it's same as pimp, but I have no time to explain in details. Come here, visit the brothels and see how it works. There's no human trafficking here? no child prostitution? no pimps? Of course there's.. but that represents less than 3% of the sex industry and with brothels open and working as bars, Police always knows who's the owner of the place and if have a denounce it's easy know who's the responsible for the place. If it was like in USA, we would have the same number of brothels, but police would not know who's the owner or where to go and wouldn't be able to do any undercover work as in USA, because it's unconstitutional here. The reality is only one. LEGALIZE and REGULATE. There's no other way to solve the problem of human trafficking, child prostitution and forced prostitution. This article proves it, 13 pimps in 9 months... looool
Pimps need to be given sentences of 25 years so we can clean society of these violent abusive men.
People need to understand, a female working as an escort is NOT a bad thing. I've been doing it for 5 years and I've made more money than any other 25 year old has. I was making $30,000 a month, only working 5 days a week. There is no way anyone can tell me what I was doing was bad. It's my body and I'm not harming anyone! I used my money to further my education, I now have bachelors degree in Marketing. If I didn't make that money I don't know how I'd survive. Of course there are pimps out there, but the female doesn't have to be with one! Most of the time its her choice!
Most women don't make that much; you were very lucky. But really, if it was that great, why get a marketing degree? Just work on your back for 10-15 years and invest the money.
Im a Pimp with a degree in Poli Sci, and to get an education is to better yourself. I too am 25 and the money is amazing, and I am forcing nobody to do anything, nor mess with any underage females. Just because you get a degree doesnt mean that you want to slave at soem 9-5 job for somebody, it's increasing your worldy views. Oh yeah, Carrie send me a message @ email@example.com with some contact info.
PierreLaFranc mindlessly spewed the following tripe: "The victim of drugs, alcohol and prostitution are the people killed by the drunk (or high) drivers."
1) alcohol is legal (so is stupidity, so you get to walk free)
2) prostitution – I gotta say, what the heck are you babbling about? Your inclusion of prostitution into your mindless comment is mind boggling. What do they have to do with each other?
3) The number of people injured by drivers who are high is insignificant compared to the number of people killed by ignorant, incompetent or distracted drivers, of which you are likely one.
Honestly, if there are no more pimps, there will still be hoes a hoeing.... There are good Pimp and bad pimps as with anything in the world. Adult consensual prostitution should be legal or a non jailable offense. Now people that are sending underage girls should get the boot and the gavel! But the rest of this is ridiculous. Theres a few things you cant stop, such as murder, terrorism and PROSTITUTION! Get with it or dont even mention it. TY
For god's sakes people, there will always be women who will volunteer to sell sex and men who will purchase it. Hell, there are now women that will buy sex from men. Make it legal, secure and accountable.
Voluntary prostitution is not slavery. You may dislike prostitution and claim that it humiliates women etc., but it's still not slavery. Stop confusing the issues.
To the poster Chrisstopher: You were ABUSED as a child and are now a PEDOPHILE (since you said you have had child sex as an adult). I hope the FBI tracks your IP address and throws you in jail so some inmates can violate you. In no way is a child mentally capable of consenting to sexual relations, particularly with an ADULT. Even a Doogie Howseresque child genius would be emotionally unable to handle sex. The fact that you threw the term pedosexuality out there for people to read is shameful and makes me sick inside. This has nothing to do with opinion. You can twist it any way your warped mind wants to, there is no factual argument I could ever accept that would allow me to believe that a child can or should have sexual relations with an adult. To reiterate, you're a sick individual and I'm now going to spend a moment in silent contemplation hoping something horrendous occurs to you. Soon.
Anyone who is ok with prostitution being legalized, regulated, taxed and between consenting adults - sick degenerate pedophile who abuses animals for fun and profit
Anyone who is ok with having their daughter being a prostitute within a legalized framework - sick pedophile who needs psychotherapy and should have their child takes away by Child Serivces and who beats their wife daily
Anyone who thinks of their daughter as a shining princess who deserves the entire world and who should never be hurt by anyone and who will kill anyone who hurts their delicate snowflake - perfectly sane, capable adult not suffering from any delusions and a shining paragon of virtue
Seriously people, grow up.
What about women who trade sex for Jewelry, Cars, Fancy Dinners, Trips to Paris, Fur Coats, Rent Free Apartments, and the occasional Free Drink? (A large amount of attractive women do this) They're just freelancing contractors?
They're ahead of the curve 😀
Oh so it's just the cash exchange you have a problem with. How about we get prostitute gift cards? lol
I actually have no qualms with prostitution. Whether you give her money directly or buy groceries for her to eat, you're paying in the end, and payment is payment. Amen
How many women say: "I wish I had a better body, cuz I'd be a stripper"? A lot. How many women say: "If a rich guy offered me $1,000,000 for sex I'd do it!" A lot. Or how about the woman who say: "If he buys me a house and a car and a $7,000 engagement ring I'd suck the hull off his battleship?" A lot. There are varying degrees of women who trade on their body for wealth or other enrichment. And to be honest, most women are trading their sex for financial security by hoping for a rich husband. The question is, how much is it worth to the individual woman? A woman who wants to land her a hubbie and a house doesn't want some other woman (who may or may not be more attractive and probably is more sexually adept) giving it away for cheap. Trapping men is hard work, and the women who don't want to do that must be morally wrong or something. LOL.
You are dumb and sad.
you are doing a great job,this evil crime commit to humanity is unbelievable but it is achoice,but most victim are taking in to it beacause of money.i pray GOD WILL empower you people.
Whures? Oh nice.
It is very disturbing to see the attitudes towards women expressed by many. It is a reflection of the an overall problem facing the world and humanity.
As for prostitution, the purchace of sex services should be illegal. There are already some countries where it is.
name one country where it's illegal and there's no prostitution? It's easy say, make it illegal, make that illegal. Hard is give a reasonable solution if maximum your brain can understand is the world "illegal". In Iran and Saudi Arabia women are flogged and even sentenced to death if they choose to work in a are government says she can't. Before say "make it illegal" go look the reality in the nazi countries that forbidden everything. But go there or find a serious journalist (something rare today) who went there and have proves, relates and all to show. I say again. If they make it illegal here I'll continue buying sex but instead my money goes for the girls and for State, it will go for a pimp and the mafia. But I don't care, if government decides my money must go to pimps and mafia then let it be.. But this problem I'll never have, to bans prostitution here they will have to change the Constitution.
Legalizing prostitution is not going to solve anything. Think about it; do you think those low life's are going to pay uncle sam when they don't even pay their prostitutes? We may get a few national dollars from taxing brothels but the majority of prostitution will still be done underground to avoid paying tax. Our money will always be funding to fight the sickos that use children. We need to find a secluded volcanic island out in the middle of the ocean and every pedophile, child pimp, and trafficker needs to be castrated, sewed up, and dumped on tha island with minimal provisions. That way our tax money only has to pay for transport. There is no rehabilitation for these creeps so cast them out of society forever!
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Why do the insist on keep calling it Human Trafficking when the majority of these people are consenting adults trying to make a living.
Here are the statistics from the FBI itself on one sting called Operation Cross Country V
661 Busts Adult, 69 Juvenile, 99 Pimp, 125 John /Other
All these from around 31 States and just a few cities.
How much man power and teams and at what costs to pay agents to bust 661 prostitutes? Adult, consenting females over 18? How much wasted resources? Fuel for cars, stakeouts, food, overtime? Airplane tickets ects...
Yes, absolutely saved 69 kids who for whatever reason was in that mess and you do not know why even if it's because they wanted to be there. Cool, save the kids and leave the rest alone.
Put them in brothels, tax them, make them have health cards or they can't work legally.
Bust them if they don't have a licence just like any other business.
If a customer knows that they won't get busted and a brothel has health inspection then you bring it to the light and no more underground and taking chances.
The waste of resources and man power for baloney laws that never worked has done nothing but filled our prisons and keep real criminals out on the streets to rob and kill you.
I just found this through one of my favorite youtubers, that is now doing what she can to help stop human sex trafficking as well. It's a non-profit called Free the Birds that raises money to give to other non-profits that are stopping human sex trafficking and helping the victims. Check the video out here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r0BOcakA10&feature=feedu
Those cops harassing defenseless girls who did no harm to anybody are a disgrace for the US, just as this whole CNN Freedom Project. Journalism cannot get any lower.
There is no such thing as forced prostitution. It is a code word to impose puritan morality on people who don't want it.
Leave these girls in peace! Don't they suffer enough from social discrimination?
I have a daughter and she was, will and has been raised with values! Cops, Government? As much as I have empathy for people and especially the ones that are taken advantage of, no matter what their home life or other circumstances were that led them to any pimp! I would gladly off the bastard myself! A bullet only costs a dollar! Better yet, let me catch some moron putting his hands on a woman, underage or not! If I sense that she is being abused against her will! He will be mine! Consenting adults can do what they want. When I was young, I delivered papers to a legal brothel! The police chief of the little town owned interest! Pimps come in all shades of grey! Anyone that uses others by controlling them need to go away! It sickens me to the point of anger to read about POS that make their money off the backs of others by control! The young girls that are drawn into this live will usually end up lost and alone or worse!
But for me i think, this whole thing still boils down to the fact that many people are losing sight of God. If we can realize the fact that God is still the God who preached and punishes immoral act, then our consciences will awaken to condemn and reject this obnoxious practice. How can a person of conscience traffic another just to get rich. the pick, people who call themselves mothers go after children who are there's to make money for their own children at home. The only thing that can stop this devilish act is reviving this conscience by establishing contact with God . So let religious men and women stand up and preach against human trafficking. Let seminars be held in primitive villages and towns to educate the young. Please aim at the blessings that can come of out your little effort in saving souls for God and the society.---Lenny
I think the improvement in controlling human trafficking is a great thing. Many times the prostitute does not need to be punished and I'm glad that they have a chance to get help with this new program.
Who in hell cares about these stupid people?
They have ruined California. I was born here in 1948 and it was a great place to grow up...
Not any more. Its nothing now but a refuge for illegal aliens and whores.
Hopefully India could learn from this tragedy and stop human trafficking of young girls from Nepal to India as prostitutes.
Thank you CNN for running a TV program on this subject hosted by Demi Moore. Asia Foundation estimates about 7000 girls are trafficked from Nepal to India every year for prostitution and about 200,000 Nepali girls and women are currently working in the sex industry in India.
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You're right!
90% of CNN's Human Trafficking stats and comments are total BS. The vast majority of girls CHOOSE to do this to earn more cash then their other options. Even in this article read the sentence: "CSP hopes to convince the women to leave the life of prostitution.". Ummmm, hmmmm, CSP has to work to convince them?? Guess it aint as bad as they thought? Why not help someone who wnats your help?? I am so tired (and so are my many hooker friends) of all this holier-than-thou crap.
Although Drugs and Prostitution co-exists, and sometimes share certain similarities the outcomes cam be quite different. Drugs kill people- the users and sometimes innocent bystanders. Paid sex rarely kill people : on the other hand may result in production of people if the participants do not take appropriate precautions. Instead of arguing ad nauseam- it would be more prudent to look at countries which have legalized drugs and prostitution, and compare outcomes.
This public service announcement was produced to warn young people that Human Traffickers use bogus job ads to lure their victims into interviews. Respondents will meet for an interview – usually in a secluded place – and are abducted. They are often drugged, beaten, raped, starved and subjected to emotional abuse before being forced into prostitution. From the time of entering prostitution, their life expectancy is about 6 years. http://www.vimeo.com/13335393
Do you even know any hookers? This is such horseshit. I know a ton of them. an extremely small % were coerced in any way; far fewer physically harmed. Any abuse or force or use of underage girls is horrid – but FAR MORE women are abused by their husbands every day. Put these resources towards solving THAT problem!
This is not about hookers. They have chosen their way of life. It's about innocent young people being tricked into interviews by human traffickers and rapists.
"The young woman from Joburg was overpowered and viciously raped and stabbed in the Umhlanga City Lodge hotel on Friday evening. The 24-year-old woman was lured to Durban by a man whose identity is known to Independent Newspapers, on the pretext that she was auditioning for an MTV presenter's job." – http://www.iol.co.za/sundayindependent/tv-star-hopeful-raped-and-stabbed-in-durban-hotel-room-1.1122704
FBI statistics claim that people lured into human trafficking have a 6-7 year life expectancy.
And, as a matter of interest, human trafficking is the fastest growing industry in the world. It's far bigger than drugs today.
As defined in the Trafficking Victims Protection Act of 2000, the legal definition of a "severe form of trafficking in persons" is:
Sex trafficking in which a commercial sex act is induced by force, fraud, or coercion, or in which the person induced to perform such an act has not attained 18 years of age; or
The recruitment, harboring, transportation, provision, or obtaining or a person for labor services, through the use of force, fraud or coercion for the purpose of subjection to involuntary servitude, peonage, debt bondage, or slavery.
So, you have not been sex trafficked. It's your choice... It's not about you.
You're missing my point. I am telling you that your precious statistics are bullshit. Of roughly 1,000 hookers I have known over the years I know of 3 who were coerced into it. All 3 by debt (they couldnt get their passport back until their debt was paid). I agree this is inhuman, as is underage girls, but we are talking about .3%. A tiny, tiny fraction. In many places, including the US a hooker gets off scot-free if she tells a cop she was "trafficked", but gets a nite in prision of fine if she says she's doing in voluntarily. Hmm, now what would YOU say if arrested by the cops. As soon as these "trafficked" girls are released they are back doing it again – VOLUNTARILY.
Would they rather be doing a different "respectable" job to earn the same money? Yes, of course. But how many people dont like their jobs?!?! How many would quit if they could earn the same cash doing something they enjoy more? Almost everyone!
The stats are complete horeshit. The problem over-blown to enable cash to flow to NGOs and keep them business, and to allow media companies to get ratings through stories of illicit sex and pain. Americans LOVE stories with sex and pain involved! Clearly the most gullible mass audience the world has ever seen.
Hey Player... no judgement here. I know many women who married for money. They look after their husbands and do what they are told because they get the good life. That is nothing short of legitimized prostitution. Hey, but good for them. It's a win win.
I live in South Africa. Children and young teens (girls and boys) are abducted often in Africa. Their parents never hear from them again. They are often drugged, beaten, raped, starved and subjected to emotional abuse before being forced into prostitution. These aren't made up stories. They come from the kids who are recovered. And yes, they mostly go back to prostitution, because it's the life they know. That's my concern. Stealing a child's innocence and human rights. It is modern slavery. Unlike a drug deal, the 'handlers' have repeat sales of the same 'product'. It's more lucrative than drugs.
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The problem here is not about legalizing prostitution. It will not work because most people are not interested in adult prostitutes, but in 14 – 17 year old girls.
WTF? You are an idiot! Where did you get this little gem of info from? Most guys who buy hookers are paedophiles? Completely and utterly wrong!
Being a horny man does not equate to being a paedophile! 99.9999999999% of paid sex is between an adult man and an adult woman. Just TRY TO FIND an underage hooker – go online, Craigslist, the bars, the streets.... You'll find 10,000 adult hookers before stumbling into an underage hooker.
lol .. This what rightwingers always says... probably because they're only interested in 14 – 17 yrs girls.. but majority of population is normal and different of you, they like women.
While false moralists like you keep lying and invent excuses against democracy, several kids are suffering in Sweden, USA and others nazi countries, because government do not legalize prostitution. When rightwingers will understand that if prostitution is illegal, criminals will command it and if go out with a 18+ women is crime, people who likes kids, will ask for the kids. He will to go to jail anyway... so, if he's a pedophile he will take risk with a kid. These absurds excuses of false moralists, fascists, rightwingers and feminazis are the main cause of child trafficking in the world.
Solution is only one: Legalize, respect freedom, democracy and the universal declaration of human rights. My sex workers are all over 18 and choose this profession because they wanted to. I pay direct for them. Here Constitution legalize it, so nazis can't touch this right, but if someday a pathetic nazi government copy the nazi sweden law, I'll be a great customer for pimps and criminals (but still will only ask for 18+ women) and also a constant visitor of police station, probably we will end drinking a coffee while I open a report against government for violation of human rights.
Not much better than muslims really. It's dirty because you say it's dirty. My dog is perfectly happy dry humping anything or anyone when she feels like it. She certainly doesn't feel embarrassed about it. Other dogs don't single her out for doing it. Oh but people no God forbid you see a boob in public take her out of the village and stone her to death! At the end of the day all you are doing is perpetuating an ancient taboo that has no basis in logic. All that money and all those resources wasted and for what? Arrest one and another one appears, and another and another. Who was it that said insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?
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