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WASHINGTON (CNN) - CNN has obtained detailed photographs of a new stealth fighter being tested in China.
It is the second such stealth fighter China has tested in as many years and appears destined to become the communist nation's future aircraft carrier-based fighter jet, according to weapons analysts.
The plane, dubbed by outsiders as the J-31, was test flown Tuesday in Shenyang. According to the analysts, the two photographs obtained by CNN appear to have been leaked by officials in China.
"It has to be an official photographer because nobody else can get that close to the airplane," said John Pike, director of GlobalSecurity.org. "These are all publicity photos from the factory, and I could not imagine that the factory would publicize these things without somebody higher up in the food chain authorizing it."
Richard Fisher, a senior fellow in Asian military affairs at the International Assessment and Strategy Center (IASC), agrees these are not pictures sent out surreptitiously by some Chinese aviation aficionado. "The Internet censors are controlling this process, have no doubt that."
But Fisher said the reason for the release may not be as threatening as some might imagine.
"It's being done in a way to help promote pro-military nationalism in China. There's just a huge, large audience in China for this kind of information. It's kind of like NASCAR."
No matter who let the pictures go public, they won't answer all the questions surrounding China's fighter program. "They don't want to reveal anything that's truly useful to a foreign military or intelligence service," Fisher said.
In January 2011, China tested the J-20, a fighter jet with stealth characteristics, much like the American F-22.
Fisher said the J-31 appears be a lighter fighter jet similar to the American F-35.
"The J-20 is the heavy stealth fighter, (The J-31) is going to be the medium-weight stealth fighter. It's very much in the same vein as the F-22 versus the F-35, with the Raptor, the F-22 being the heavy fifth-generation fighter for the U.S. Air Force versus the medium-weight F-35."
Pike said that could be the case, but it may be that China is test flying both prototypes and will choose just one to put into production.
While these are both fifth-generation fighter jets, that doesn't put them on par with America's two newest fighters.
For example, Pike said China's jet engines just don't come close to American engines. "This is a sucking chest wound of Chinese military aviation."
Pike said the primary Chinese military jet engine is based on an American design. "We started development of this engine back in the '60s. Then they commercialized it in the 1970s. Then the Chinese got a hold of it 20 years ago and it's still no good. It's a half century-old design that they've been working on for two decades, and it's still no good."
Fisher has a higher opinion of that engine. "It's not entirely true that China is currently facing massive problems. They've actually had some measure of success."
And Fisher said China appears to be developing a brand new engine for the J-31. "The engines that will likely power the J-31 we do know a bit more about. Those engines were actually revealed at the Zhuhai show in 2008," Fisher said referring to an annual China air show. He believes the new J-31 engine is undergoing preliminary testing.
Another problem is the stealth characteristics of the plane.
The J-31 is designed to have a stealthy shape. "From the side profile, it really looks like a 75% (scale) F-22 from the bottom, and the top profile it very much looks like an F-35."
The J-31 may have the stealth coatings that help it absorb radar signals instead of letting them bounce off and give away its position.
But Pike explained the plane has wide seams where different parts of the plane come together. "The seams form something the radar can bounce off of. I'm looking at some close-ups of the J-31 and it's seamy. It's got all kinds of seams and ripples on the skin."
Fisher agreed. "Yes, that's definitely a fair assessment, but what we can say is that it will have a definite low-observable capability, that's for sure."
While it may start out as a land-based fighter, Pike and Fisher both said it could become China's carrier-based fighter jet when the nation builds a second, catapult-based carrier. Their first carrier, currently undergoing sea tests, uses a ski-jump style flight deck to launch planes.
So should America start worrying about these new fighters ?
"Who else do you think these airplanes were designed to fight?" Pike said. "If the Chinese think that their military is a lot stronger than anybody else in the neighborhood, then they're going to throw their weight around."
Pike estimated the J-31 might become a threat in 2027. "You would expect to see the Chinese stealth fighter enter operational service, I don't know, 15 years from now."
Fisher is predicting much sooner.
"My estimate is that the J-31 will start entering squadron service in four to five years."
Oh, yeah, them canards make that bird REAL stealthy!
I'll take one F-22 Raptor against eight Chicom J-31s. And if we get smart and start releasing the F-22 as a "shepherd" aircraft with eight drone UAV "Killer Sheep" as wingmen I'll take 32 Chicom J-31s against one F-22 shepherd and his flock.
Of course the Chinese have the planes. Where else would the F-35 be outsourced to?
A bit of history: After WWII, Stalin order thst a B-29 be copied. The Russian had to form as many as 400 companies to mae everything from scratch (copy). When they were finished, they noticed there was a deep scratch so they scracthed the copied model exactly the same.
Stalin didn't even notice the scratch, he was more interested to see if it could fly. It did. The Russian gained a lot of experience and went on to design their own eventually.
Aaaaaaaaand they're still crap compared to what the US produces. Same with China. Show me something that China or Russia has produced that HASN'T been ripped off of the US, and poorly I might add...
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I am chinese myself but honestly...I do not believe that the chinese government is able to compete with the US military strength nor that the US or any other nations should be afraid of China. I mean China's politics are so messed up right now and I sincerely wish that one day the gov. of China will come to an insight that communism is no reliable as forming and controlling a whole nation. I do not approve everything what the US gov. is doing but at least I do have more trust and hope into american politicians than into chinese politicans. two nations, two great (different) cultures should comform each other instead of dividing. peace <3
its a fake, a photoshoped model, the day they fly one will be the last day of their lives- we will obliterate them, by the time they fly one we will have had a few million drones in service and unleash those, besides it is a known fact the chinese cannot create anything new and are substandard at copying items- anything, so good luck with china ever getting a toe hold, as a matter of fact they have already lost the economic war also- just they themselves and us the general public dont know it yet....but the chinese are inferior to us americans in every way, every way.
Never underestimate a foe. This isn't fake. Its a real plane and it flies. How capable is yet to be seen. Sounds like its a bit rough around the edges. Not to say the F-35 is perfect.
and thus begin the ramblings of an inbred bafoon.
move along folks nothing to see here but a retard.
White man's western denial. Time to realise that what goes around comes around. You remind me of the Great and invinsible Roman Empire, and the western colonialism is coming to its end. Anyway, when did the Europeans migrated to america and claim it to be their own?
and you sir have just demonstrated your inferiority to the chinese. good show son . . .
Eric, I was a fortunate visitor of Hong Kong on several occasions back in the late 80's, early 90's (before China took control). A nice place. A definate culture shock to say the least but a great leaning experience. Having said that, with the instability of China and its neighbors over territorial waters and islands, its going to be a bit shaky. North Korea isn't exactly helping the region either. I guess its like my neighbors whose overgrown weeds are growing through my fence and some words are exchanged. Hopefully thats as far as it gets with my neighbor and hopefully we will never see a US/China conflict. I don't believe it would be a simple hit and run episode.
Take some weed killer and spray the neighbor's side at night. do it irregular so it doesn't look like it was sprayed.LOL
I know a person that drilled his neighbors tree and killed it because the neighbor never took care of his tree.
if it is on your side of the fence it is your responsibility. a massive dose of weed killer is called for along with some plastic sheeting on your side . . . don't forget the face mask and rubber gloves . ..
Well said Eric. The Chinese communist system is dysfunctional but moving toward capitalism economically, which extended its life. The American republic system was functional but is moving toward socialism which shortens its life.
Inevitably the two countries will collide in interests many times, but eventually China will eclipse America and decisively win militarily and economically as China graduates toward a governance in-line with their capitalist economic engine, and America will descend into European style subsistence on government hand-outs.
The great American experiment will die in the Western world but it will live for a time longer in China.
Eric: AMEN, BROTHER! America nad China do NOT have to go to war. But what the Han have to do is get rid of this communist government and replace it with a government based on personal freedom for the individual and equal rights for all. Should this happen, China would really be a power to contend with, not a potential enemy, but as a partner in commerce and peace. But we both know the PLA view the US as the Main Enemy, just like that idiot Vlad the Poisoner in Russia. What the hell does ANYONE gain by ramping up this three-camp world we are devolving into? (All pardons to India, which seems to mind its own business for the most part, but deserves to be the fourth power).
found more photos of the j-20 here: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/photo/2012-05/02/c_131563172.htm
Chinese website, it will give your computer a virus. Which they will use to try to steal your American innovations.
To think that some of the People commenting here might be voting tomorrow makes me sick. As an outsider i'm starting to understand why one of the candidates who has been contradicting himself on the economy and foreign policy is reported to be neck and neck with the other. Need serious introspection USA; racism on the rise; during the past four years the 2 main parties hardly agreed, no common consensus; crumbling infrastructure; Shaky economy; highest gun violence in the world; the current President reportedly receives death threats like no other! Whoever is gonna win your election should develop a very thick skin very quick because i forsee a situation of pitched battles in house of representatives and senate, likely worse than the previous 4 years. You can do better folks come-on
Indian Hindus must be sweating bullets. They wouldn't know what hit them..these puppies are so fast. By the time they say RAM the indians will be biting dust.
and how do you know, may be the puppies get eaten by a stinkin mulla.
I have to agree with the analysts, I think the design looks inferior but I don't think China is looking to make it as perfected and complex as it's American counterparts. There is a huge advantage to simplicity, it can be made faster and costs less.
of course when you build your military on the blood and bones off your people its cheaper
I dont think Americans genuinely care about Chinese citizens, even though we use examples of Chinese citizen oppression from the Communist regime to legitimize our attacks against the Chinese government, or the Chinese nation as a whole.
Cooler heads prevailed? I think the American public needs to tone down anti-Chinese sentiment. Simple fact is, we only care about legitimizing our attacks. This, is not the "care" that brings cooperation and understanding.
Mean looking birds. New Delhi...buckle up
Pakistani fool.
Hindus must be sh!tting in their pants
To vance jones....So, you're saying that America didn't have slavery? Do you know what's the definition of Slavery? Okay, do you know that in America black people use to be sold from a cotton farm to another one, and they use to be chained during their transportation from one place to another? Go find the truth and don't just sit there and listen to what your leaders lie to you.
he's only regurgitating what his Pa'w told him while they where drinking moonshine, while playing a fiddle to the tune of old dixie, at their KKK rally thats all...don't mind him.
Jeng: The United States of America ended slavery in 1865. The Chinese mainland people STILL are slaves to your own government, and massah will put a bullet in your brain and charge your family for the round of ammunition if you mouth off about the Party Bosses. What part of this don't you get?
i could care less let the world blow to many o pieces
Once again, the Chinese create nothing. They copy, cheat and steal their so-called successes much like the Russians of old.
The US might is over.... Let's accept it we are no longer great as decades past. The Chinese are the next superpower and we will have to make wat and step aside. Let us focus on getting out of Afghanistan where lives are lost every day and nobody seems to care. Let's focus on getting the country back in order, if we keep spending so much on defense no way we can balance our budget. let's close some bases that are not that vital anf leave a few just to have a presence in the area. Yes we need to keep an eye on China but we can do it with less money, if not we will be our own worse enemy....
So China is the next superpower because of one copied plane? America's military is far superior. They have numbers, but that's about it. Please, show some confidence.
John is right, we are in a quagmire in Afghanistan where throughout History has been known as the Graveyard of Empires, as every empire that has gone there has failed, like the British, Russians and on back onto Antiquity, and now it's our turn, in fact we were dying from the time we went into Iraq on a lie. Philip it is obvious that you have been in the Military, because if you had you would have become educated and worldly too see the big picture of a lot of what is going on in the world.
Where is your History sense, Have you heard of the Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire? Thus, the great american killer machine is on its final journey. History always repeat itself.
I do not think the Chinese will be the sole dominating superpower in the future. I think the future will be a multi-polar world, where regional powers have the power to impact the world due to rippling effect of interdependency.
Relax, fellow Americans. The Chinese will have their strengths and weaknesses, so are we. We need to focus on rebuilding our infrastructure instead of policing the world as if the world needs our policing.
The next super power in the world will not be hold by one nation only like America but a sort of allied forces, compose of western power the Eropean Community Market / England, Italy, France, Germany, plus America.
No nation is perfect, politics and the way we live are constantly changing, evolving with us. China has it's obvious flaws, and its rather understandable why some would say that China has stolen tech. It is simply a matter of national pride. We should be happy to have that. I looked into Chinese culture, and there are a lot of progressive thinkers, and evolution will change nations. The pyramid on the back of the dollar isn't finished because Democracy is a work in progress, as intended by our founding fathers. I am proud to be American and prouder to be man.
Here we go again. Muslim, Jews, Christians, heathens, Chinese, Americans, Australians, Koreans, we all need to learn to get along.
I get so aggravated at reading all these people vomit out their ignorance on this website by claiming that China has somehow sent in a "super Army of spies" to steal our technology to develope their own F-22 stealth bombers. Of course, the Chinese will sooner or later catch up with us although they spend far less on their military than we do. Moreover, next to the J apanese, the Chinese are our biggest creditors so they are not at all anxious to go to war with us!
Guess what Joe they do have a group of spies. But it is not the clandestine type most thing of. They have spies in the form of students. Yes students, who come tot he US and take up loads of spots in top universities getting degrees in things like engineering which they bring back to China with them. Go look up the term brain drain. China now has their own silicon valley . Where did they get such knowledge? From the US. And why is the knowledge being drained out of the US instead of staying right here? Because too many US student do not put in the work. They are too busy aspiring to be gangstas, pro athletes, GI Joe, or living like it is 1812 and farting around with guns and hunting.
Every country has spies. What do you think CIA is? Name one country that does not have spies. Keith – your ignorance is illuminating!
They don't need spys! American manufacturers give them all they need when they secretly have U.S. parts made in china to cut cost. Had one manager tell me,"They can't tell if parts are made in U.S. or China.
Really? Where did China's nuclear technology and secrets come from? Their spies at Sandia Labs, remember them? Where did their microprocessor technology come from? Toshiba among others violating Intl Trade agreements and selling those secrets to China and Russia. Remember that?
The Chinese manufacturing does make some good products, and I enjoy owning and using those myself. But when was the last time you can name one trendsetting, cutting edge product they introduced that others copied or followed? I can't.
does china even manufacture a commercial transport plane? I believe they buy all their planes, so how can you create a fighter jet when u cant even create a regular transport plane? its all bs....chinese only now have an aircraft carrier because they scavenged someone elses broken junk, no planes for it though....chinese too busy eating exotic meat and babbling all day to actuallly produce anything new that works...the whole world is now wearing made in china clothes, wow, no wonder everyone and evry place now looks so drab...omg, the chinese have also lost the economic war but havent figured it out yet- why? because the majority of their population can be traced back to genghis khan and what did he do? nothing but procreate and kill
Wake up Radar. Where would you be if not for the Chinese inventions. They gave the world gunpowder, paper and ink and the navigation compass, about 5 thousand years ago. Wonder where were you then? Living in caves and screwing anything that looks like a woman? The Chinese are proud of their history, and you?
J-20 and J-31 bothl have the same wide angle holographic HUD that debuted on the J-11B
it looks like we earned one more hour!!!
"It's being done in a way to help promote pro-military nationalism in China"
Maybe, but I think the real objective is to show the plane to prospective buyers in India, Pakistan, Iran and others.
you are so clever!!!! shhhhhhhhhh
China selling these fighters to India? Seems your knowledge on international relations is limited?
It's all too easy to figure out...
Simple Outline:
-The Jews print money at will (giving them all the power to do with as they please).
-With that money, they purchased (stole) the entire American manufacturing industry (we create, they corrupt & destroy).
-Then, they moved it all to China (this all happened right under our noses in a relatively short span of time, yet very few are able to recognize the obvious, even to this day).
-All the while, they tax us into slavery, and sell us back OUR goods, that are now laced with lead and other toxic substances (think that was a coincidence/accident or the fault of the Chinese slaves on the other end?). Yes, this is just another way the Jews have poisoned us (and our children).
-In the meantime, they stole OUR technologies (all they do in China is reproduce everything we invent, discover, and create), our military secrets, and fund the very RED army they will eventually use to strike the final blow in our coffin justified by our false "debt" to them. Do you "think" they are arming them for "nothing", and convincing the Chinese that we "owe" them for "no reason"? Will you still "believe" that as the RED Chinese army is marching down your street?
And on the back end of all of this, they have most of the American sheeple convinced that we somehow "owe" the Chinese, as they have engaged in a relentless propaganda campaign in China as well to convince them of the same ridiculous lie.
Wow.. What a scam these Jews have pulled off. Robbing us blind, destroying our economy, stripping our entire manufacturing industry down to the bones, and convincing the Chinese that we are in "debt" to them (of course the Jews have complete control over China, so all that "debt" they created on this end, goes right to them on the other...screwing us both coming and going)
Unless of course you "think" this was all a "coincidence" and "believe" that the Chinese somehow out smarted us, swooped in and stole everything on their own, and beat us at our own game...To point out the obvious: these are OUR inventions and OUR technologies, nothing originally "Chinese" about ANY of "their" products or weaponry.. (what would they threaten us with if not armed with OUR military "secrets".. bows and arrows?).
Again, they are using OUR technologies against us... to include, in the not too distant future, the military technologies that were stolen from us. "Ironic" isn't it? Or so it would seem, to a person who is unaware of the Jewish agenda and their usual modus operandi.
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Yeah! And the lizard people are controlling the jews, and the ant people are controlling the lizard people, and everyone must bend their knees to the crab people!
There's nothing "forbidden" about your "truth". It's just that the rest of the world, save you, the Nazis, and the whack-job islamic fundamentalists, find this particular brand of "truth" to be lacking something... you know, facts and rational conclusions?
So, PFJoke, you the head of your local neo-Nazi Skinheads chapter?
I was going to ask the same thing.
While there are a significant number of Chinese graduate and undergraduate students in our universities, and a good share of them do return to China with knowledge of current technology and manufacturing skills, there is also a well trained industrial espionage presence in the country that is controlled by China and Chinese surrogates. One of the other things the Chinese are gifted at is buying up wrecked military aircraft, studying them, and reverse engineering them. The plane shown here is obviously copied from an F-15, a plane that has been sold worldwide to allied governments who might allow Chinese engineers to examine, or even take one apart to obtain the necessary details for production. We know they don't have the capability to manufacture the highly complex surface/skin coverings that swallow radar impulses, but they have obtained the ability to produce the surface coatings that bend the radar impulses that give the aircraft near stealth capabilities. In ten years they will be producing the skin materials we had twenty years ago. I doubt they can develop the capacity to produce current skin materials unless there is a significant act by an american traitor who gives the methodology away.
Thanks! I needed the laugh. You are really something to behold. Look at you! You are thinking with your ass!!! Where do you get these stories? You should work for Hollywood! OMG!
Dear PF Jones you need to see a psychiatrist or stop all rock smoking your out there BUD!.
China has never been a country which went outside its boundaries for imperial gain. That has been true for 1,000 of years. That is not true of the USA though. Americans have pushed their way into the affairs of people around the globe. Then they wonder why people get mad at them, in those other countries. As Jesus said: "Do unto others, as ye would have them do unto you."
I guess you've never heard of Tibet, Mongolia, East Turkestan, Kashmir, or Assam – and that's just from the past century. Yet more communist revisionist history!
So I said your american always consider how to split our country, you learnt all these "knowledge" from your medias, and medias service for political interest parties.
Kind of like how US took land from Indians right? how many massacres? Or built bases in Philippines for military might.
We have done our share of land taking.
you misunderstood me, kind of like how US dismembered Soviet.
I hope that another Tibet issue will not arise.
So every times these kinds of things happened, i checked medias from both sides, west and China. So called "Tibet issue" is very complicated. In my opinion, government did really a good job. We have a lot of problems, huge population, one-party dictatorship, pollution etc., but we keep trying to fix them. I believe the next younger generation will solve these problems better if no war happen in the future :).
Americans are not our enemies, now your guys more like our teachers and show us the way to build our country wealthy and confident. After 1979(in that year, my father was a freshman in the middle school), China is not a communist country, China is not a socialist country, I don't want to say that we are now totally a capitalist country.
Nothing like a little misinformation.
because we(China) just a poor and developing third world country, we have to "steal" your experience and save money on R&D. U.S. always consider how to split our land, we have to "steal" your experience and make something protect ourselves.
Rubbish. China is not a third world country; it is a fully industrialized country. Just because people are treated as if they were expendable does not make it a third world country.
The reason China has a third world feel is that they do everything on the cheap. I was just there and I was stunned to see the concrete around the "Bird's Nest" already crumbling. China needs to stop building for 30 year use and build things to last.
Come on don't try to pretend that you're not racists.....You've killed the Indians because they looked different than you you've slaved Africans because they were black you invaded and destroyed Arabs because they're brown....And now you're looking for trouble with Chinese
i agree with you jeng li american has gone too far
Vote well America. But is it true cheating is possible in the American election as there were such insuniations last time Bush beat Al Gore for the Presidency. Just a question coz i also heard recently that one of the top guys in Texas doesn't want Observers/ election Monitors from OSCE if i remember correctly
Funny, but if you search "Tony Martin Jewish Onslaught" you will find out that Jews, not Whites, orchestrated the African Slave Trade. If you look at the "Fed", you will find that Jews, not Whites, "just happen" to print the money. If you look at the media, you will find that Jews, not Whites, "just happen" to have a monopoly over that as well. If you look at the food on your grocery store shelves, you will find that there are KOSHER symbols on the labels, not Swastikas. If you look at the senseless wars throughout history, you will find that Jewish interests were served, while Whites, Browns, Reds, and Yellows (Gentiles) died by the millions. If you look at the Chinese industry and military, you will find that Jews purchased up the entire American manufacturing industry (easy to do when you print the money) and relocated it to China. Not only that, but all of those military weapons and technologies "just happened" to find themselves in Chinese hands by way of Jewish/Israeli spies... Coincidence? I think not. But I understand why you would believe every lie you were ever told, due to that monopoly they have over the media. On the other hand, it's all so obvious to anyone capable of critical thinking.
Simple Outline:
-The Jews print money at will (giving them all the power to do with as they please).
-With that money, they purchased (stole) the entire American manufacturing industry (we create, they corrupt & destroy).
-Then, they moved it all to China (this all happened right under our noses in a relatively short span of time, yet very few are able to recognize the obvious, even to this day).
-All the while, they tax us into slavery, and sell us back OUR goods, that are now laced with lead and other toxic substances (think that was a coincidence/accident or the fault of the Chinese slaves on the other end?). Yes, this is just another way the Jews have poisoned us (and our children).
-In the meantime, they stole OUR technologies (all they do in China is reproduce everything we invent, discover, and create), our military secrets, and fund the very RED army they will eventually use to strike the final blow in our coffin justified by our false "debt" to them. Do you "think" they are arming them for "nothing", and convincing the Chinese that we "owe" them for "no reason"? Will you still "believe" that as the RED Chinese army is marching down your street?
And on the back end of all of this, they have most of the American sheeple convinced that we somehow "owe" the Chinese, as they have engaged in a relentless propaganda campaign in China as well to convince them of the same ridiculous lie.
Wow.. What a scam these Jews have pulled off. Robbing us blind, destroying our economy, stripping our entire manufacturing industry down to the bones, and convincing the Chinese that we are in "debt" to them (of course the Jews have complete control over China, so all that "debt" they created on this end, goes right to them on the other...screwing us both coming and going)
Unless of course you "think" this was all a "coincidence" and "believe" that the Chinese somehow out smarted us, swooped in and stole everything on their own, and beat us at our own game...To point out the obvious: these are OUR inventions and OUR technologies, nothing originally "Chinese" about ANY of "their" products or weaponry.. (what would they threaten us with if not armed with OUR military "secrets".. bows and arrows?).
Again, they are using OUR technologies against us... to include, in the not too distant future, the military technologies that were stolen from us. "Ironic" isn't it? Or so it would seem, to a person who is unaware of the Jewish agenda and their usual modus operandi.
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Dude, whatever drugs you're taking to make you believe that idiotic bullsh!t you're spouting can't be good for you!
Again, PFJones, thanks for the laughs. Where do you come up with these stories? What is scary is you must believe it yourself! You better have a check up or something! I bet you believe in the movie Matrix too! Aliens are coming. You know that? Give me a break!!!
we didn't 'slave" the africans you imbecile. the africans who were brought to america were already slaves in their own lands due to losing various tribal faction wars. we bought them from the winning tribes. so please at least know your history before you spout inane drivel. had we wanted to start trouble with the chinese we wouldn't have flown one MAJOR AIRLIFT TO YOUR DAMNED COUNTRY DURING WORLD WAR II.. man but you are dumb. we didn't go to war with the arabs due to their skin color.
god i love you morons
Jeng: I resent your implication that I killed the aboriginal peoples of North America; That I enslaved Africans; That I blah blah blah... I'm white, I'm bad. You're Chinese/Indo-Asian whatever, you're good. Go somewhere else with your BS.
The blood is on your hands and all of your people because you are still benefitting from those crimes against humanity and now in History it is going to be your turn to be crushed underfoot.
You took africans from africa to work as slaves in your cotton fields, you chained them and treated them like animals. Hahahahah.....now you have an african american to be your president, eat your hearts out. You sue for peace to end the Korean War, and you were humiliated by the Vietcong and lost the Vietnam war, and you invaded Iraq, and then Afghanistan. And now you are itching to start the same with China. Remember the fall of the Roman empire and now the mordern day USA empire.
omg look that chinese plane looks like the f35 and f22 omg! damn americans stole the designs from the chinese typical americans
What does the 'J' stand for?
a Chinese word called "Jian", the first word of "fighter". actually J31 is not a national military research project, you can't find a red star on airframe. if Shenyang Aircraft Corp can't make it good, J31 project will finish like YF-23.
The plane in the first photo is a single tailed F35 including the pointed supersonic air inlets for the engine ! Copy Cats
America hates China not because of communist not because of our products not because of our history and not because of our politics....They just hate us because we're yellow people that's it.
BULL**** STOP! Enough, right there!
Yellow, green, purple, ... We don't hate your colour we hate the fact that you are thieves and steal any technology that's not nailed down...
You are just one very jealous white man who can never accept that other people can be just as innovative as you. Come again with a begging bowl when you have another financial crisis. Its the OTHER colour that gave you a helping hand. Be grateful and be appreciative of the OTHER skin. Cheers, have a good day.
I love the chinese. Most I meet are very nice people. I love you Jeng please stop hating on us white people.
I agree with you Anthony and he's giving Chinese people a bad repitutation.
hahahaha jeng! dont worry im canadian!
And as Jenn admitted a bit further down, he's from Pittsburg and just screwing around. Useless...
Are you a 50 cent party man? For those of you who don't know the 50 cent party are people who the Chinese Communist party pays 50 cents to for every post made online that either defends the party, or deflects the discussion away from criticism of China
lol, where did you find "fifty cents"? hahahahah
OMG! I can't believe in one night I'll run into so many clowns! John Purves, where do we get that 50 cents? Do tell. I haven't written any pro-China post yet but for 50 cents I can start. Does this one count? You really have to be out of your mind!
Simple Outline:
-The Jews print money at will (giving them all the power to do with as they please).
-With that money, they purchased (stole) the entire American manufacturing industry (we create, they corrupt & destroy).
-Then, they moved it all to China (this all happened right under our noses in a relatively short span of time, yet very few are able to recognize the obvious, even to this day).
-All the while, they tax us into slavery, and sell us back OUR goods, that are now laced with lead and other toxic substances (think that was a coincidence/accident or the fault of the Chinese slaves on the other end?). Yes, this is just another way the Jews have poisoned us (and our children).
-In the meantime, they stole OUR technologies (all they do in China is reproduce everything we invent, discover, and create), our military secrets, and fund the very RED army they will eventually use to strike the final blow in our coffin justified by our false "debt" to them. Do you "think" they are arming them for "nothing", and convincing the Chinese that we "owe" them for "no reason"? Will you still "believe" that as the RED Chinese army is marching down your street?
And on the back end of all of this, they have most of the American sheeple convinced that we somehow "owe" the Chinese, as they have engaged in a relentless propaganda campaign in China as well to convince them of the same ridiculous lie.
Wow.. What a scam these Jews have pulled off. Robbing us blind, destroying our economy, stripping our entire manufacturing industry down to the bones, and convincing the Chinese that we are in "debt" to them (of course the Jews have complete control over China, so all that "debt" they created on this end, goes right to them on the other...screwing us both coming and going)
Unless of course you "think" this was all a "coincidence" and "believe" that the Chinese somehow out smarted us, swooped in and stole everything on their own, and beat us at our own game...To point out the obvious: these are OUR inventions and OUR technologies, nothing originally "Chinese" about ANY of "their" products or weaponry.. (what would they threaten us with if not armed with OUR military "secrets".. bows and arrows?).
Again, they are using OUR technologies against us... to include, in the not too distant future, the military technologies that were stolen from us. "Ironic" isn't it? Or so it would seem, to a person who is unaware of the Jewish agenda and their usual modus operandi.
Jeng: Wow! You figured it out! We hate you because you're short, squinty-eyed and speak gibberish and eat rats! Wow! What perception!
I'm not sure why Americans have such self imposed low self esteem in regards to China. It is almost universal that everytime China achieves something the first words being rattle off by Americans is how crappy they are and how they stole etc.
Last I check China never said nor have they threaten to fight the US so why this mentality of sarcasm and put down?
I think China would be the first to say American products are great and they look up to them that's why they emulate the US. It's sad and ashamed that the US tries it very hardest to look down on them and criticize them at every turn.
The US it seems, is determine to make China it's enemy.
China invented paper printing and gunpowder and thousand other things. They also invented the compass. You don;t see the average Chinese condemning Americans each time someone prints a book, look at a compass or shoots a bullet!
One would surmise that Americans are very xenophonic, racist and suffers from low self esteem.
The Chinese have very much an imperial mindset when it comes to the world. Case in point Chinese officials went to small town Corvallis (home of Oregon State Beavers) and demanded a mural be taken down or it would cause diplomatic issues. That takes balls.
Sad how racist Americans are. Any article about China brings out tons of racist comments. White people are still just as racist as they were 200 years ago. Not much has changed.
Here's a hint: when an American goes to China every store owner, cab driver, etc. tries to rip the American off.
I was in Beijing and all the cab drivers were colluding to give me a ride for 100 RMB when I knew it should cost less than 37 (it cost me 37 in rush hour to get where I was). When I told them I would only ride with the meter running, they refused (even though that is against Beijing law). I ended up taking the subway for 2 RMB and walking 1.5 miles!
If you don't want people to think poorly of China, stop trying to swindle them.
all you guys talk like you know everything about this plane, im pretty sure its a decent performer and with the right pilots
can be pretty damn frightening, good job china! well at least on the looks even if it is stolen or cloned i dont care, america doesnt play fair either so screw you america have a taste of your own medicine i hope this plane will give you a run for your money or whatever money you have left
Almost realistic photoshop! If it was real, it would probably kill the fighter pilot first with all the lead laced paint and parts.
It's probably powered by an iPhone5.
You know what Jack Burton always says at a time like this?
Those of you who think China is making crap when it comes to the military had better wake up! They have capabilities to take out US air craft carriers, shot long range missiles off both west and east coast of the US! They are are for e to be reckoned with and they hope we only concern ourselves with idiot things like Dancing With Stars. Wake up America and like Ed said...treason in the US should be dealt with swiftly and with force. Thanks to all the military men and women serving our country.
Ummm..just FYI...
U.S. companies bid on China military contracts. I'm willing to bet some cash right now that jet was built with American parts and knowledge.
Not last long. Where the chinese steal this one from?
Communist China? But its money that you borrowed helps to keep capitalism alive?
Eugene if you hate China so much why do you like to borrow money so much from us?
Eugene if you hate China so much why do like to borrow money from us?
Because they/you dumb enough to give/lend it too us? If you dont behave u get 0$ back...lol
Keep making my Iphone for chicken feed! We be best friends!
hayzz.. Communist China.. Hiding the poor people behind and trying to show they are great. Let your people speak freely to know what is the status of your country. Made in China items causing health problem to the people because of the Deadly chemicals they are mixing in their products. BOYCOTT CHINA!!!!!
And so here in China we're on Sunday by the way
Keep using my name "Jeng " maybe I should start writing in Chinese? I am not from Pittsburg and I am in China, I have plenty do do on Saturday or on any other day..
Where did SARS originate? These new Chinese fighters will come with a 30 day warranty. They can't build anything without stealing the technology. When was made in China a good thing?
well think for a second the reason big companies buy chinese stuff is cause they can produce it cheap
cause thats what most americans want is cheap, china manufactures almost everything so you really think they are lacking in manufacturing skills probably not
i heard a good story... the americans were proud of this new drill bit the made it was the worlds smallest drill bit
they were so proud they sent it to china to boast so china sent it back with a hole drilled down the middle of it....
true story bro
A company that I used to work for started outsourcing stuff to China.
Everything that they shipped back to the U.S. was complete junk.
It looked just like the real thing but nothing worked and I find it hard to believe that this "stealth" fighter will either since the stuff we received was a lot less complicated to make.
Sorry guys, I'm just a guy from Pittsburgh with nothing better to do on a Saturday night than wind people up. Later.
Chinese stealth aircraft = hides in hangar until fight is over.
I love how whenver something gets released the experts quickly try to rebuke it by saying we're better. And of course the age old diss they stole our technology. Well jeez looks like someone needs to better protect their technologies I don't know how many thousands of times stuff gets stolen.
They were Nazi scientists and they had plenty of blood on their hands but still made it again in America and you find this perfectly fine???????
No it's all started in Germany and the US not only copied from Germany but also used Nazi scientists after WW 2 to build American forces
Made in china, it will fall apart pretty soon like all the garbage they make!!!
So? Many of those scientists defected during the war to escape Nazi rule. Those that came after the war had a simple choice, offer their services to the US and be able to work and live freely, or to the Soviet Union and the threats imposed on their work and families.
They might've tried to copy the F22, but without many of the active electronic systems or thrust vectoring? Forget it, just another Chinese clone of average performance.
Its radar uses AESA technology. Its PL-ASR heat seekers have thrust vectoring.
I suppose you stole that active radar from us like everthing else. As for the missiles having thrust vectoring, that is interesting and a good accomplishment. I was thinking more along the lines of the plane itself being able to turn on a dime in midflight to maneuver behind it's opponent to gain tactical advantage.
That said, most of the modern jets can acquire and fire from so far a distance close air-to-air combat is going to be less common.
also it has helmet mounted targeting sight giving it look to target capability
That's 20 year old or more technology.
no worries...it will break down within 3 months...just like all the crap they sell at walmart
"Based on American Design" - yeah like everything else over there. Chinese government supresses innovation by the individual and expression - but they still want the benefits of a populace that doesn't live under those conditions. So you have to hack, steal, and spy your way just to "catch up"... Time for another revolution guys, then at least you can compete with the US honorably. I'd feel pretty bad inside if I knew that all my nations achievements are based on everyone elses ideas. Invent something new of your own. Your culture is one of the oldest in human history and your government stifles what makes you great as a people.
I'll put our F-15 Super Hornets or our F-22 with an American trained pilot up aginst any fighter in the world with total confidence that we'll come out on top. We have and will always have the best equiped and best trained military in the world.
Is this why American troops have so much trouble in Afghanistan? Actions talk louder than words and, as Sun Tzu says, never ever underestimate any foe.
I'd say Afghanistan has more to do with policy than training.
Are you an officer of your government or a Chinese spy, trying to pick a fight and start a war?
The Super Hornet is an F-18, not an F-15.
Its the F-18 Super Hornet. The F-15 is called the Eagle
If we're the best what happened in VietNam, what is happenning in the Middle East, we outnumbered them, had far superior equipment, and got our azzez kicked.
You Americans love to make fun of China and our products but on the other hand the money you keep borrowing from us seems to have nothing wrong with it despite that it's also made in China
Chinese invest in American bonds to save their currency. if America pay china out or refuses selling to china their economy will stumble heavily.
Be interesting to see how it compares to F-35, which is also in the prototype stage.
Two eagle drawings on the plane. Overkill much?
Hey Americans worry more about your f.....weight problem, your economy, your high criminality, your drug consumption and your hostilities with the rest of the world not with what China is producing
You are right - they are fool not to act seriously on these issues. They always act like beggers, begging for more $$ to fulfill their daily needs. They dont have gut to fight with China.
Say what you like about Americans,they aren't perfect that's for sure....but...don't doubt they have guts dude.
History watched them storm the beaches of Normandy into waves of machine gun fire for their beliefs and their Allies.
Go to Omaha beach memorial in France if you want to see guts.
Oh look! A flying Geely, looks almost like the real thing!
Another Mitt Romney Bain success story. Romeny will outsource our defense procurement to China.
Stop talking non sense crap.
I am sure this is stealthy. Imagine we (US) engage a dogfight with them, we will have a hard time to recognize which one is our.
Hey haha your DUMB!
U can tell by thier communist red star symbol
You do' realize it has been decades since fighters actually came close enough to see each other in a fight right? While Obamas comment about bayonets and horses was way off base, in this case, you really are referring to obsolete battle tactics.
**face palm** for the replies that can't even tell between a joke and real. Also for those who called the other people "your DUMB", it's "you're DUMB".
I guess you have never heard of IFF, Identify Friend of Foe
this is why china will never go to war against USA. who will they copy from if we aint around?? hahahahaha
China is becoming a power nation. They need security. Doesn't mean they're looking for a fight.
Are they going to use this fighter jet for security or to beat everbody on the head with? The thing about there government is that we don't know if they want to use it for freedom
They need security from what or whom? The only oppoent they would need this kind of technology against is the US. Their current military would rip through any third world dictator as quickly as the US took down Saddam's army.
Our f-18 super hornets could even blow that thing out of mid air.
Agreed. Even our F-22 can be shot down with good training and skills. Stealth doesn't mean invisible.
The truth is that of course a missile can bring down a plane. Air Power is only as good either defensively or offensively as the leadership and positioning of the technology you have. An f-15 actually might just be unable to get close enough without being taken down by a missile itself. If a missile is supposed to fly a 1000 miles across the ocean from a safe position that missile can be taken down itself. If you want to get ballsy beyond actual dog fighting during training you should have nothing to do with any part of the air force. I would be truly sad if any belief led any army into demise by try to attack a country such as china or russia which has proven defensive strategy. advanced systems such as stealth technology, or ultimate ownership of the air as demonstrated by the suk-38 of the glorious russian armed forces air fleet.
China has a large air force but terrible fighter pilots.
And the f-16 and f-15 fo show!
The US does not need to fear a Chinese invasion. Why would they bother to invade a country they already own? They may, however, encourage us to eliminate some of the non-productive 47% so we can pay those bonds off quicker.
LOL Sure...bond is nothing but a piece of paper and that's what we owe them Chinese.
So, now e will buy military equipment from China, american military contractors will be out work soon.
That woud suck
Someone should have been hung! That's what China will do to its traitors. The plane looks mightily similar to our plane.
Hahahah It must be appropriations time in Washington again. I would tell Secretary Gates and his puppet Penneta to not only take the 2 pennies but shove them right up their incompetent noses. Here's my words – The Military is drawn from the public. The public is not drawn from the military. If the public claims to be apart of 99% of men being withheld from equal prosperity then I suggest you join the disadvantaged or begin recruiting the senators children and take your jewish Zionic money thirsty banker generals to yale and harvard instead of the schools containing men who otherwise line up against your weaponry from coast to coast.
Wow that looks like.... Every thing we have built.
Looks like they stole the plans from us.
No, it looks more like a russian designed sukhoi super jet which outflies everything we have made, and that includes the solid body joint strike fighter bomber which they are bilking us with. If you take another layer from the onion of truth you would be even more alarmed not at the planes stealth but at the computer equipment onboard. I read somebody mentioned a super computer which puts our own computer technology to rest being made in china. This is not a stealth b2 bomber, and a lot of people might be confused. This plane by sight has a body designed like a russian sukhoi and comes from a country that outclasses the united states in electronic warfare.
Like the U.S. copied from us at the end of WWII, Our engineers were designing Stealth technology at the end of WWII, do you Americans actually think your inginuity created Stealth Technology? No your Government stole all our plans after the war.
Damn, it even has an eagle on its tail .
it is quite sad that you are taking credit for the design work of the great men and women of the russian armed forces. If you want to be big and bad maybe you can convince your leaders to allow for the challenge standing of russian planes with russian pilots against US planes and US pilots in mock dog fighting and tactical performance combat training. The United States has ceased allowing russian pilots to fly against american pilots after a not to well known defeat. The pride of Americas air force will only allow to combat against german migs using german tactics on a pretty favorable ground. The challenge is standing. I would love to see the sukhoi fly against your 35 or the chinese j31. for the record I am a Russian and take my pride putting on my pants in the morning for the great Военно-воздушные силы. Long live the best of the best.
russia who there still around for got about them oh yeah they have no money and there military is falling apart and there tech is out dated extremely out dated there still flying migs from the 80's they have no navy and all there \weapons systems are cold war crap you cant even defeat the chechens
Two eagle pictures on the plane. Overkill much?
Your daddy Mitt Romny and Barack Obama loves China, all you companies love to china. Ond day CHINA will defeat all americans.
What day?
Maybe, one day another nation will rise to power and kick China in the a**.
Deesa no giant lobot! No Johnny Sako make a fly! Deesa prane take a all amelicans out!
American innovation is coming at an end. They can't make quantum computer, cold fusion, genetic advances, so they accuse Chinese of making planes. Blah.
Chinese pe nis come to quick end too., only one inch long!
LOL ... I am Asian, but your comment just made me fell off my chair.
Chinee make a good ploduct! Make amelican so scared he no sreep nights.
You guys copied the American f-22 and no wounder you guys can't come up with anything creative. Any of our American fighter jets can lock on that piece of crap and blow to it hell.
HA ha, you clazy man! We dlop bomb your house furst!
They gonna Whup you josh and they gonna Whup you good and when you get over it they gonna Whup you some more, it's Whupping time for you for the rest of your life.
They has excellent spies .......... that's for sure.
Hoping the engine is not stop running while the jet in the air or perhaps, the wing is not falling off due to all parts are Made in China.
Good Job China. China will make 10 of J31 for the price of one F35.
...and all 10 Chinese jets will fall apart in mid air and the pilots will be forced to eject. Let's hope the parachutes (they also copied from US technology) will work. Where as the one US F35 will rip through the sky pulling maneuvers only talented American pilots can perform.
That's a shame to see J31
Be careful when buying Chinese military equipment... There's always a chink in the armor.
Make something new, CHINA!!!! Holy****
They missed the boat with this one (pardon the pun 🙂 Pilotless fighter drones is a future proof technology. Contracting out their defence industry (SAAB, Boing etc) would be yen better spent I think lol 🙂
I think I can see a part falling off in the one photo! & in the other photo I can see the Apple logo by the tail section! That would explain all the hype & battery issues!!
China has no intelligence or ability to build these without sending in spies into the US military industry. American companies need to realize all Chinese nationals who enter the USA are sworn by an oath to spy for China. Those who receive work visas are like China winning Powerball everyday. Chinese citizens work for US companies and they must, by law, report all intelligence they gain in that job. Students who attend US universities who do internships at American companies are sworn by the same laws to report back to party officials about everything they learned about that company. This includes trade secrets, procedures, and everything they can collect. China then uses this to boost their own industry along with military knowledge. This project is a direct result of spy activity.
The only base for your accusations is your definition that Chinese are all stupid and cannot make anything good. Well just keeping thinking like this. This will make you much smarter and Chinese being even stupider, until…
But just for moment and take a look at the history. When China was at the top of the world, USA was even none existence! Did US copy China to overtake her? no? why? Is your base of accusations making any sense?
Why always look at things based on races? Can policy or system play any role in your mind?
I bet we could do this. We could ravenously spend even more on health care than the $2.3 trillion we spend already and rely on older weapons that are inferior to China's, BUT, we would have superior health!
China is a socialist country and has free healthcare and housing for all.
Yeah, but what good are those benefits, if you are not free to say to your government "go screw yourselves". Here we can say that and no one will arrest you. You chinese copy everything and if you can't copy it, you steal it.
Yang Xi Gua,
Who the H. are you? Why are you trying to threat people with cheap chinese trashes?
Go back to your country, be silent and be a good boy. That is not a joke!
Men!, you're lying, there's no free healthcare, the real healthcare is very expensive. Es una mentira muy sucia intentar hacer creer eso.
@Matt, hey you suck!! You are obviously a scared little boy. Did your daddy hurt you or something?
where is your freedom of speech and due proccess and your rights oh yea what rights you have none at all where is your multparty system there is none it is communist communism and if you speak out against your country your murdered or mut into camps you chinese people do not look at people as people or humans you see them as animals as you can tell some of the chinese move to this country and are enslaved bye there own people
Mitt Romney lovers in da house.. always gettin dey statistics from Fox News.
Americans may be able to say things about their government and try to force changes. They don't seem to do much good. The economy is still bad, the rich is still screwing the poors, and it's still a country with the highest murder rate, and drug use, rapes, robberies, and all the sinful things that Americans do.
Look robertd188, google this fact, it was reported in an article about the weight of all the people on this planet, and sit down for this, Asia represent 13% weight, the U.S. alone represents 34% of the weight and we are only 310 million vs 3 billion people. Half these people will be diabetic in 20 years, we are dying slowly, in a declining empire.
Look robertd188, google this fact, it was reported in an article about the weight of all the people on this planet, and sit down for this, Asia represent 13% weight, the U.S. alone represents 34% of the weight and we are only 310 million vs 3 billion people. Half these people will be diabetic in 20 years, we are dying slowly, in a declining empire. What non-reality are you living in.
"Stealth" is more than just radar-absorbing paint and materials. I don't see how a jet of this shape and design could fool radar...
It has very advanced jammers. Even if it gets in a dogfight, the Gyrfalcon is a terrifying predator in the skies.
The Chinese steal all their technology from other countries and make themselves sound like bright, motivated people. Well I guess they are. Look at how much money they save on R&D...
A jammer is just a homing beacon to a passive receiver guided anti-aircraft missile.
China also reverse engineered SU-30 ... whats the big deal... still China is using Russian made SU-30s. Making design for a plane is one thing and manufacturing hi-tech avionics and technology is another.
All of the Chinese air force's Su-30 twin sea Flankers are upgraded to J-11BS standard, which has up to date Chinese avionics and engines and weapons. S stands for tandem seat.
You guys can't think out of the box hence you folks have to copy everbody else.
II find it funny people think that the Chinese really designed the technology they have today. The whole country was built by very wealthy people who are not Chinese.
America was built by non-Native Americans. It was built by Africans, Asians, Arabs, Latin Americans and Europeans. China 's intellectual property is the compass for navigation, gun powder, the wheel barrow, kites, rockets, porcelin, paper and the concept of paper money and coins, astronomy, military science, sales tax, land tax, for revenue for local and state governments,etc.,etc., etc.. My only hope are for some of these contributors get educated or do their research first before posting.
China will never have better pilots than the US.
... just like China will never have a better basketball team than the US.
Ridiculous logic, but expected on these free-for-all internet comment boards.
Hey John W., Your sense of humor called, and it wants to come back home.
It's not true that the Chinese never invented anything of value. They invented toilet paper when the west was still using leaves. Ouch!!!!!!!!!
The Chinese steal anything they can, this is their culture. America is very stupid and dumb to think otherwise. We are being played as fools, especially with the current administration and even the bone heads of Congress. What America needs to do now is develop and keep under raps is a supersonic stealf faster than a speeding bullet jet drone. Lighter weight but packs a leathal punch. We also need to stop building these huge carriers and build much smaller and much faster attack carriers that can land and launch drones along with more sophicated & faster subs. It has come down to rapid response by the military and special ops forces even better trained. Hint, train with Isreal they are the best! When I say rapid deployment, I mean anywhere in the world with 24 hours or less. Finally we need a rules of engagement put in place, do this and this is what happens. It is not just military intervention here folks.
Just look. China is not our worry right now. Obama keeps cutting our Military so much that like history has shown, when a DEMOCRAP cuts the Military we get an attack... God hopes this man doesnt get another term. Most of the real American left in this country doesnt like this guy and like most of my unit will not be voting for any COMMIE! Free America...
How dare you speak of stealing, you Europeans committed genocide against 100 million indigenous people in the western hemisphere, since the day Columbus set foot on it's soil, that includes 10 million that you killed in what we call today's America and put the rest on Reservations which are no more than glorified concentration camps. You stole their land and are still occupying it. You have the gall to question atrocities everywhere else in the world but won't face your own. The new world order will be a world where you will no longer be able to cause the suffering that you caused throughout history, and the world will be a better place after you are gone.
Chinese people don't have creativity so they copied from others.Let's see if this plane is a real steel or real paper plane.
Well, you know what they say...They all look alike.
No doubt this aircraft has been developed with stolen from US intellectual property. China is showing off its new military equipment to the masses consistent with their national propaganda machine.
Hello Sir! good morning sir! how are you sir! I am Kareem chamar of Pakistan. I just woke up. It is another bad morning in Pakistan. You see, Chinese thieves stole American technology. They did the same thing to me. They stole my seven generation old shoe making techniques, bas turds.


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Some in the fiber world are showing symptoms of SDN fever, if the Optical Fiber Communication (OFC) conference happening now in San Francisco is any indication. Though the optical community's approach to software defined networking is more cautious overall than the networking industry as a whole, several vendors are placing their bets on SDN.
MRV joins the ONF, focuses on SDN and NFV
Earlier today, MRV Communications announced its membership in the Open Networking Foundation (ONF), as well as its participation in the NFV Industry Specification Group of the European Telecommunications Standards Institute (ESTI). While at OFC, I met with MRV's Zeev Draer, VP of Strategic Marketing, and Scott Wilkinson, marketing director, to take a look at MRV's progress in the software defined and virtualization arena. During our discussion, Draer and Wilkinson gave me a sneak peek at an upcoming product that provides per-port programmability for carrier-grade optical networking.
Yesterday, MRV also unveiled its Pro-Vision 3.0 service delivery and provisioning software. MRV is positioning the software as a bridge to SDN and NFV, touting the intelligence and service orchestration capabilities that the software can bring service providers today. Among the benefits the vendor boasts is Pro-Vision 3.0's ability to sample and report on application traffic at much less expense than Deep Packet Inspection (DPI) solutions, as Wilkinson and Draer explained. If the software works as advertised, this could provide carriers (and large enterprises whose cloud implementations force them to act as carriers) with a useful, affordable tool to monitor and maintain SLAs and application performance. This will be particularly important in networks undergoing dynamic reconfiguration by those applications.
Coriant, meanwhile, is using the cloud as a jumping-off point to SDN. The vendor today announced its Dynamic Optical Cloud end-to-end infrastructure solution. Dynamic Optical Cloud combines Coriant's 7100 and hiT 7300 packet optical networking platforms with the vendor's 8600 mobile edge router and several currently available applications, open orchestration tools, and controllers. In partnership with Juniper, Coriant is also demonstrating 100G wavelength connectivity, Coriant Director of Engineering R&D Stuart Benington told me. The partnership is a natural fit for both vendors, Benington said, not only because Juniper doesn't have its own optical infrastructure business, but also because "we are widely deployed with Juniper, and many customers ask for us to be deployed with them."
When the conversation turned more specifically to SDN, Benington said that in the carrier space, no one he's met is calling it a buzzword. "It's getting fairly accepted that it is a pretty significant shift in what the network is going to become. The open questions now are mainly related to timing and implementation, and one of the most important enablers of that timing is demonstrating specific financial returns," he said. In other words, just as it is in the enterprise space, carriers need some sense of the practical value of SDN before they'll make the commitment that takes it from buzzword to reality.
SDN: A caution from JDSU
Vendor confidence about concepts like SDN must always be served with a side of salt, since vendors selling products labeled as SDN (or even SDN-like) are partisan by definition and need to hype the demand in order to hype the product. Indeed, Paul Brooks, product line manager for High Speed Test Solutions at JDSU, observed that thinking of SDN as an overarching concept may be less productive than considering the specific value of individual technologies under the SDN umbrella. Silicon photonics and their role in optical interconnects, for example, will have real, practical benefits to the networks and data centers of the future.
What impact will SDN have on the optical networking community? The question appears even more open than that of SDN's impact on the networking community and the enterprise itself. What is clear is that it has made an impression in some quarters, and SDN-focused development may in itself be a good sign for those who dream of programmable, flexible, highly dynamic software defined networks.
Header photo courtesy of Shutterstock.
Jude Chao is managing editor of Enterprise Networking Planet. Follow her on Twitter @judechao.

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Pontiac splits with George Evans
Pontiac outscored host George Evans by three points in the first quarter and by five in the fourth frame in posting a 40-32 win in seventh grade boys basketball Thursday night.
The Warriors led 9-6 after the first quarter and then were matched by the Eagles in each of the next two periods to maintain a 27-24 edge heading into the last stanza.
Ethan Lee had 15 points for PJHS. Andrew Kelly added 7 points and 8 rebounds and Colton Walsberg collected 6 points and 8 boards. Liam Melvin also scored 6 points.
Pontiac got off to a fast start in the eighth grade game but lost it in the second half. PJHS led 26-19 after the first two quarters.
Austin Long had 11 points and 8 rebounds for PJHS. Tony Krominga added 11 points and Logan Triplett scored 5 points.
Saunemin drops three games
SOUTH STREATOR — Saunemin's road trip made for a long trip home after the Eagles fell to host Woodland three times.
SGS dropped the 5th-6th grade 40-12. Carson Walls had 6 points for Saunemin.
Woodland claimed a 29-21 win in the seventh grade game. Tanner Walls led SGS with 9 points.
The Eagles fell 32-22 in the eighth grade game. Eric Zega netted 9 points and Austin Nelson threw in 6.
Comanches win, Apaches lose
Pontiac's Comanches defeated Normal Epiphany but the Apaches fell to the visitors in grade school basketball Thursday.
The Comanches posted a 31-26 victory as Max Gschwendtner scored 12 points. Lindsey Hunt added 7 and Cobi Parra had 6.
The Apaches came up short 43-38 to Epiphany despite playing to a tie in the first half. Ben Schuler had 16 points and Luke Fox scored 10 for the Apaches. Kobe Fox checked in with 5.


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As Ha'sean Clinton-Dix, the man they call Ha Ha, stood underneath the huge, digital billboard along Interstate 4 in Eatonville, he just shook his head.
"It's pretty amazing," he said, flashing his big, infectious smile.
The prediction is a little early, but no one doubts the billboard's claim. It reads, "1st rounder, Congratulations, Eatonville's Own, HA-HA CLINTON DIX."
Clinton-Dix is widely expected to be a first-round pick Thursday night during the 2014 NFL Draft at New York's Radio City Music Hall.
"One minute I'm nervous, one minute I'm crying. … It's just a dream come true, so I have mixed emotions about it all the time. I'm just happy and blessed to have the opportunity to go to the NFL," Clinton-Dix said.
Clinton-Dix's grandmother gave him the nickname Ha Ha and he now prefers it over his formal first name. It's one of many signs how much Clinton-Dix's roots mean to him.
"It feels good [coming back,]" Clinton-Dix said during a recent visit to his old stomping grounds. "It keeps me humble just to know exactly where I came from and all the hard work I had to put in to be here. It feels good to reminisce about the past."
He has come a long way from his boyhood days growing up in the Orlando suburb of Eatonville. He started his career at Edgewater High before transferring to Dr. Phillips High, where he became a star high school recruit. Then he became an All-American safety and two-time BCS national champion at the University of Alabama.
"I look at the rings every day, every chance I get when my mom lets me grab them," Clinton-Dix laughed.
There once was another young football star who graced the fields of Eatonville, the first incorporated all black city in the nation. Deacon Jones honed his early football skills in the town before urban sprawl made Eatonville just another extension of the Orlando metro area.
He starred at Hungerford High in the late 1950s. The "Secretary of Defense," who was drafted in the 14th round of the 1961 NFL Draft and was later inducted into NFL Hall of Fame, died last summer at the age of 74.
Clinton-Dix never met his idol. Jones spent his final years at his home in California. However, the former football star and civil rights activist still had an immense impact on Clinton-Dix.
"It means a lot. Deacon Jones grew up a street over from my grandfather, where I was raised," Clinton-Dix said. "Just growing up knowing about Deacon Jones, the top guy from Eatonville, Fla., it really means a lot to know that I'm about to be the next person up."
A long line of promising football players have left Central Florida and vaulted to NFL stardom. The list includes Warren Sapp (Apopka), Brandon Marshall (Lake Howell), Max Starks (Lake Highland), Kenard Lang (Evans), Jeff Blake (Seminole), Wes Chandler (New Smyrna Beach) and Chris Johnson (Olympia), just to name a few. Chandler, drafted No. 3 out of the University of Florida in 1978, is the highest draft pick ever to graduate from a Central Florida-area high school.
This could be the third time two Central Floridians have ever been taken in the first round.
UCF quarterback and Oviedo product Blake Bortles and Clinton-Dix are both expected to be first-round selections. Clinton-Dix and Bortles share the pride that goes with their unique status.
"That will be crazy. Blake is one of the top quarterbacks in this draft … so I'm pretty sure he'll be in the first round," Clinton-Dix said. "Me, there's ifs and buts, but it will be very exciting to see both of us go in the first round, [both] being out of Central Florida."
Most NFL draft analysts seem sold on Clinton-Dix as a first-round pick. Of the eight prognosticators featured on NFL.com, four suggested Clinton-Dix would go to the Rams at No. 13, three predicted he would go the Lions at No. 10 and another predicted he would go to the Bears at No. 14.
"It doesn't matter at all," Clinton-Dix said of where he might end up. "I'm just blessed to be in this spot and to have the opportunity to play in the league and be in the first round, so whichever one of those 32 teams decide to take a chance on me, I'm going to be ready to play and go all out."
Regardless of where he lands, Clinton-Dix will always remember how his career began back in Central Florida.
Clinton-Dix said he has fond memories of his high school days, which started at Edgewater High. Then-head coach Bill Gierke wanted Clinton-Dix to be his star running back.
"I wanted to play defense," Clinton-Dix said. "So when I asked Coach Gierke if I could play defense, he said, 'No, you're 70 percent of our offense and we need you on offense.' … I just said, `Yes sir,' continued to practice for two days. But then I talked to my mom about it and she said, 'OK, we'll move.' So I moved to Dr. Phillips."
Dr. Phillips defensive coordinator Rodney Wells, who is now the Panthers' head coach, was certainly happy to have Clinton-Dix on his defense.
"Coach Wells, he means everything to me," Clinton-Dix said. "He gave me a chance to play DB, which is what I always wanted to do. He always believed in me and pushed me to my limits. He'd do anything for me. He took me on college visits … took time out from his day to help me out and I really appreciate him for that."
Clinton-Dix doesn't know where he'll play next, but he's ready to represent his roots. He's always been locked in on the task.
"Ha'sean was always so low key, if he didn't talk, you didn't even know he was in the room," Wells said. "He's just one of those kind of guys. He's a person of high character who never got in trouble. That's just him. He never had to be at every party, never had to be on the scene … just how he is."
He just hopes to be on the scene in the NFL. Most experts think he will be. By most accounts, he is the highest rated safety in the draft.
Clinton-Dix is ready to make his presence felt at the next level, all the while making those back home even more proud of what he has done.
And of course he's well aware of the street named Deacon Jones Boulevard that rolls through Eatonville.
"I could have my own street name in Eatonville," he said while laughing. "So hopefully I'm next up in line."