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Guest Host: Mike Barnicle
Guests: Pat Buchanan, Christina Brown, David Gregory, Chuck Todd, Mike Barnicle
MIKE BARNICLE, GUEST HOST: President Obama backs Iran into a corner.
Let's play HARDBALL.
Good evening. I'm Mike Barnicle, in tonight for Chris Matthews.
Leading off tonight: caught red-handed. Iran admitted to building a second secret underground nuclear plant to enrich uranium. And President Obama said Iran has a choice other make: Either open nuclear sites for inspection, or be held accountable.
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I have said repeatedly that we're going to operate on two tracks, that our preferred method of action is diplomatic, but if that does not work, then other consequences may follow.
BARNICLE: NBC News White House correspondent Chuck Todd and former State Department spokesman Jamie Rubin will break down what this disclosure means for the president a week before the six-nation talks with Iran are set to begin.
Plus, why are Democrats seeing a significant drop in fund-raising and how can they convince big donors to open up their checkbooks ahead of the 2010 midterm elections?
And remember the conservative outcry over President Obama's back-to-school speech? Well, a student performance at a New Jersey public elementary school is now drawing fire from some conservative critics. Check it out.
UNIDENTIFIED CHILDREN (singing): He said that all must lend a hand to make this country strong again, mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack Hussein Obama.
BARNICLE: Conservatives charge that school was intimidating to indoctrinate and brainwash its students in support of the president. Are they right?
Also, "Meet the Press" moderator David Gregory will preview his interview with Bill Clinton.
And, finally, ousted Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich just can't help himself on his never-ending media tour. He now claims he's the anti-Nixon. We will have more of what he said in the HARDBALL "Sideshow."
But we begin with former State Department Spokesman Jamie Rubin on the disclosure of Iran's secret underground nuclear facility and President Obama's response.
BARNICLE: Jamie, according to several reports we've heard prior to this press conference—and I think things that the president alluded to during his Q&A session with the media—Russia was kind of surprised with the revelation of this new nuclear development in Iran.
If—A, do you believe that? And, B, if they were surprised, does that make our position vis a vis dealing with Iran stronger? And why?
JAMIE RUBIN, FORMER U.S. ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF STATE: First of all, I doubt the Russians will end up surprised when they have finished absorbing all the information that has been provided and what the Iranians say back, because, in the end, this will be another enrichment of uranium facility, very similar to one that has already existed. The Iranians will make the same arguments. And in the end, the Russians will have to come to the same judgments.
In a tactical sense, in a sort of today, tomorrow, the next day sense, the Russians probably did not expect this to become a public issue right now. And they may not have had the same intelligence that we had. But when you examine very carefully the White House fact sheet about this facility, they make clear that it doesn't change the intelligence community's assessment that Iran has not begun an actual nuclear weapons program.
So we're back to the same dilemma that we've been facing for quite some time now. This revelation today is important. It has highlighted the dilemma we've been facing for quite some time. But it doesn't change that dilemma.
The dilemma is that Iran is going full board for the ability to enrich uranium to a level that is not weapons grade. But they will have the capability inherently to increase that, an inherent breakout capability.
Meanwhile, the U.S. intelligence community doesn't think they have a nuclear weapons program right now. So that difference between having an inherent capability, having a peaceful so-called nuclear energy program, and actually building weapons is something where countries like the United States, France and Britain are extremely worried, and they take a tougher stance.
Countries like Russia and China, as long as they don't believe the Iranians have begun enriching uranium to weapons grade, as long as they believe that the Iranians are still not actually engaged in a nuclear weapons program, their response is going to be limited.
So we're going to be in the game that the president was talking about in the last question, which is some form of sanctions.
BARNICLE: You say the same dilemma. You just mentioned sanctions. The UN has been rather a toothless tiger when it comes to sanctions. Has it not? We've been talking about sanctions as a country vis a vis Iran for thirty years.
RUBIN: In the last three years, President Bush and now President Obama have gone to the Security Council and sought some form of economic sanctions. They're quite limited. They affect certain industries, certain individuals. They're not the kind of embargo, say, that we have on Cuba.
I don't think we're going to get that kind of embargo. This information doesn't dramatically transform the case the Iranians have, or the case the Americans have. It is very effective tactical intelligence that will put the pressure our Russia, put the pressure on China. But it's not going to change their fundamental position. We are not going to see an economic embargo, some sort of blockade on Iran, or something like that.
The truth is—this is what the last question brought out. Most experts, most people involved, have a hard time seeing why this particular regime, now that it has become even more extreme with the recent election and the crack down, will capitulate in the face of an economic sanction of some kind. So this dilemma is going to become even starker in the coming months for the president.
BARNICLE: You know, you have lived within the diplomatic world for a large part of the...
RUBIN: You're about to throw one at me, I think.
BARNICLE: I'm not. I think the average person listening to you might say to themselves, you just referenced the embargo in Cuba. The average person might say, how crazy is this? The only missiles they have in Havana are cigars, you know, Robustos. And these people in Iran, the government of Iran, might be capable of assembling a nuclear warhead. And we can't provide tougher sanctions on Iran than we provide on Cuba? That's like crazy stuff.
RUBIN: I agree that the Cuba embargo is something that most people will never understand, why they are singled out for this extreme economic sanction. I certainly agree with you that that has always been an outlier in term of why the U.S. has taken such an extreme stance.
But the bottom line, Mike, is that we're going to have limited economic sanctions posed against Iran. There perhaps will be some form of restriction on certain oil products. Maybe gasoline, if we're very lucky, but I doubt that.
And in the end, this regime, particularly one now run by the more extreme version of the Iranian revolution, those who have been left after this terrible crackdown which involved many of the members of the government and the elite and the establishment there breaking from the Revolutionary Guard that seems to be in large part in control. That's—what's left of the Iranian government is the least likely to be subject to economic sanctions.
All I'm saying here is that the president and his team have done a great job of highlighting the tactical situation, to put some pressure on Russia. But now this is a major international issue. They themselves have highlighted it, have brought it to supersede the entire economic summit in Pittsburgh that has taken place.
And yet, the result, as you saw in that last question, is no closer to achieving the Iranians stopping this program. And we're headed for, in the coming months, some big questions. Do we learn to live with this inherent capability or do we do something much more drastic?
BARNICLE: We're joined now by Chuck Todd, who was in Pittsburgh at the press conference. Chuck, Jamie Rubin, you just heard him talking about the answer to the last question the president gave about sanctions. And Jamie seems to feel—he'll correct me if I misinterpret it—that while Russia and China will be on board, he thinks, for sanctions, they are tip-toeing into the realm of sanctions, and might not end up agreeing with tougher sanctions, nearly as tough as we would want.
What is the feeling within the White House and the administration about how hooked into this Russia and China happen to be?
CHUCK TODD, NBC NEWS POLITICAL DIRECTOR: Right now, they're very bullish on the fact that they think Russia is on board. The statement that Russia put out today was tougher than they would have thought they would have gotten out of the Russians even just a couple of days ago. So they're bullish on this idea that the Russians privately really do feel a little bit burned by the Iranians, in the fact that the Iranians were concealing this.
The U.S. folks that I've talked, some sources I've talked to indicate it is pretty clear to them the Russians didn't know about this site. And that bothers them. Not on the intelligence front, that bothers them in that relationship. They've been out there defending Iran.
In many ways, China has been hiding behind Russia in this divide between British—between Britain, France and the U.S. and where China and Russia stood on this issue. Suddenly, if you've got Russia aboard, the hope among those in the White House is that that will bring a reluctant China.
They're still acting very reluctantly. And that's where I think Jamie could be very right. China might not be ready to go with its toughest sanctions, as the U.S. would hope for.
I'll tell you, on the one hand, they talk about North Korea. They'll sit there and say, you know what, we have the Chinese on board, some of the toughest sanctions against North Korea that anybody has gotten out of the Chinese in a long time. That's fine.
Iran, though, is going to turn into a domestic political fight in this country. The pressure the president is going to feel on this front is so much different than North Korea. You're going to see Congressional Republicans and a lot of Democrats. Today, Joe Lieberman, Evan Bayh put out joint statements today about their feelings on Iran. It was a very hawkish statement, very sort of a message to the president about getting tough.
There could be bipartisan bills that come out of Congress with a lot of teeth, a lot of sanctions in it, that could just pop up as a bill for the president to sign, before he can make headway, frankly, when it comes to what he's trying to do in the P-5 Plus One.
Then you have this line in the sand that the president sort of drew for next week, but then said, well, they have a few weeks. So, you know, look, it depends on what the Iranians do. Do they snow up, number one? And do they agree to some basic things that these six nations have been asking for them for, starting with allowing for some inspections by the International Atomic Agency.
BARNICLE: Speaking of the testing and the sites, let's take a look at these pictures of the alleged uranium enriching facility in Iran. They were released by the Institute for Science and International Security.
The first is from March 2005. And the second is from January of 2009. I don't know what we can tell from that. I certainly can't tell anything from that. But Jamie, let me ask you, Chuck was talking about the domestic politics aspect of it here in the United States. Joe Lieberman, Evan Bayh.
Let me ask you, what do you think the situation is in Tehran? They've gone through a summer of unrest, based upon the elections and the street riots. Who's in charge in Iran? Is it Ahmadinejad, who is no longer the craziest guy in town? We saw that the guy from Morocco—Libya is even crazier this week. Or is it the Ayatollahs in Iran? Who runs that country?
RUBIN: Well, two points, first of all. After this crackdown this summer, it's clear that President Ahmadinejad has more power than he did in his last term.
The collective leadership that existed in Iran for many, many years, decades, has now split, with the most extreme members of that collective leadership, led by the leader Mr. Khamenei, and now President Ahmadinejad, fully in charge, and the more moderate, so-called conservative, true conservatives, some of the clerics, a number of the businessmen, et cetera. The more reasonable ones are now in opposition to this government.
So this is the most extreme government in Iran that's ever existed. People will argue they've always been extreme. I think it's clear this is the most extreme government.
It's clear to me, at least, what is going to happen at this meeting next week. Iran has already made clear, they're going to go in there; they're going to allow inspections of this facility, sooner or later. And they're going to say, this is another example of our peaceful nuclear energy. This is an enrichment facility that the White House paper makes very clear is not a military facility. It's enriching up to five percent, which is the energy level.
It happens to be, and this is quite interesting, at a Republican Revolutionary Guard facility. So it's showing the potential military capabilities here.
But the dilemma hasn't changed. They say they can do enrichment at this five percent level. And the international community says no. And that's the problem.
BARNICLE: Thank you, Jamie Rubin and Chuck Todd.
Coming up: The Democrats could be in for a rough 2010 campaign season. Their fund-raising is dropping, while the Republicans are raking in the bucks. Can the Dems hang on how both houses of Congress?
We will talk to strategists on either side of the fence.
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BARNICLE: Coming up: A video on YouTube of schoolchildren singing about President Obama has critics calling it indoctrination.
We will debate it—ahead on HARDBALL
BARNICLE: Welcome back to HARDBALL.
Democrats may be bracing for a bit of a battle in the 2010 midterm elections. Their fund-raising has significantly dropped, while Republicans have been watching the cash flow into their coffers. So, what are Republicans doing right? And what do Democrats need to do to convince donors to open up their checkbooks?
Rich Masters is a Democratic senator and former aide to Senator Mary Landrieu. And Joe Watkins is a Republican strategist.
Gentlemen, I'm going to give you a multiple choice here to open this up, OK?
BARNICLE: A, B, C, and D.
A is, the reason are not being able to raise the kind of money they thought they would is complacency. That is A. You know, people figure, we won. We're in good shape.
B, it's the economy. We're in a major rut and people don't have the kind of excess cash to spend that they did a year ago.
D—C, a bunch of Wall Street rich people who contributed to Obama, oh, he's new, this is going to be great, we're going to change everything, ah, compensation restrictions, bonus restrictions. I'm not giving them any money ever again.
RICH MASTERS, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: Well, I think there's—there's a little bit of truth in many of those.
I mean, there's a little bit of complacency, I think. But, truthfully, I think a lot of it has to do with the economy where we are right now. And let me bring up another point, too, Mike, is that I think that we're all kind of stunned that this president is actually governing.
He's not running the presidency as if it's an extension of the DNC, much like we saw with the Bush administration. It was an extension of the Republican National Committee. He's actually trying to govern. He's got a very busy agenda.
Senators and members of Congress all have a busy agenda, health care, the economy, the environment, really across the board. And Barack Obama has proven that you can raise tens of millions of dollars when the idea is right and the motion is behind you. And you can do that in a relatively quick period.
So, I think Democrats are in good position going into next year. We need to get health care done. We need to keep this economy on the right track that it's on.
BARNICLE: Joe, I—I can hear you shaking your head.
REVEREND JOE WATKINS, REPUBLICAN CONSULTANT: Well, Rich gave a very, very nice spin. And I—I have to take my hat off to him.
WATKINS: That was a very kind spin.
The reality is, is that, of course, the Democrats are seeing their coffers dry up a little bit because the big donors, those big givers, the people who gave so generously to Barack Obama's campaign in 2008 and to other Democrats, are not happy.
And they're not happy because, in part, yes, they don't like being the whipping boy of the administration, whether it has to do with bonuses or compensation or having to pay more than their fair share of taxes with this health care plan, which will unfairly tax small businesses.
They don't like that. And then I think the other part becomes all the small missteps that have been taken by the administration over the last few months. There's a lot—there was a lot of excitement about the president coming in back in January of this year.
But it started to erode with the handling of various situations. For instance, health care, that has not gone particularly well with Democrats, and, then, of course, if you look at small things, like more recently the lack of making some of those counties around Atlanta federal disaster areas.
And then the last thing would be the handling of the New York governor's race that's upcoming in 2010. President Obama...
BARNICLE: Yes.
WATKINS: ... the African-American president, of course, made it known earlier this week that he does not wish for the black governor of New York to run for election in 2010.
BARNICLE: All right. OK. I'm going to give you a base on balls on the last one. That was pretty lame, OK?
MASTERS: Yes.
BARNICLE: All right. But here's what I want you to do, Joe. Here's what I want you to do.
And, Rich, I'm going to ask you to answer the same question.
BARNICLE: I'm an independent, Joe.
WATKINS: Yes.
BARNICLE: And I have got, like, $1,000 that I can play with. I want you to tell me just a couple of things why I should contribute to a Republican candidate.
WATKINS: Well, a Republican candidate is going to allow you to keep more of your money. And he wants to reform health care, but he doesn't want to reform it on the backs of small-business owners, and certainly not by taxing charitable contributions or by—by making the—the wealthy the whipping boy of any kind of legislative agenda.
I'm going to give money to Republicans because they're going to be more fiscally conservative, and they're not going to enlarge the size of government. They're not going to create 52 new agencies to deal with health care or with anything else.
That's why I would give money to the Republicans.
BARNICLE: Rich, you tell me why I should give my $1,000 to a Democrat.
MASTERS: Well, I mean, I think it's—it's pretty simple. The reason you give $1,000 -- and, by the way, I think that's the other problem, is, the majority of givers to the Democratic Party are in $10, $20, $30, $50. They're not the $1,000 givers. So, they're the ones that are hurting with this economy. They will come back by election time.
But the reason you give the $1,000, Mike, to the Democratic Party, is several reasons. One, we all know that health care is unsustainable. It's unsustainable for taxpayers. It's unsustainable for the government. Barack Obama and Democrats have a plan to fix it, and one that's not going to, you know, screw up insurance for people that already have it, but focus on the folks that don't and let them have that.
They're also going to focus on getting the environment back on track. And they're going to do it in a way that's going to create tens of thousands of green jobs. It's already working. If you want jobs, that's why you give $1,000 to the Democratic Party.
MASTERS: Lastly, if you want the economy, let's look at what is happening with the economy. Barack Obama is not getting the credit for the economy. So, there's at least three good reasons. I can go on for another 20 minutes.
BARNICLE: Hey, Joe, let me ask you. Well, first of all, how do you think Michael Steele is doing in terms of raising money for the Republican Party?
WATKINS: He's doing very, very well. And that probably is the best measure of the job that he's doing. He's got to raise money for the party. He's got to encourage great candidates to come out to run in 2010. He's got win those midterm elections, win back some House seats and some Senate seats and some governor's races in 2010. And he's really sharply focused on that.
BARNICLE: Hey, Rich, I think we could all agree that we have a fairly angry electorate out there in a very volatile time in our country's history, for reasons having nothing—very little to do with who was in office.
MASTERS: Right.
How much more angry do you think the average person would be if they knew the amount of time their elected officials have to spend raising money?
MASTERS: Oh, I think they would be furious about it. I mean, no one really knows.
I mean, you know, I worked in the Senate. I know Joe's worked with political leaders. I mean, I think it's a disgrace how much time you have to spend. If you want to be a United States senator—and these are six-year terms, Mike—and, I mean, if you realize you have to raise $20,000, on average, $20,000 a week for the entire time you're a United States senator, think about that, at $1,000 increments, $2,000 increments.
It's a disaster, the amount of money that we have got in the system as it is right now, which is one of the reasons I was a big supporter of Barack Obama's. He's actually fundamentally changed it. If you look at the donor base for both him, as well as the Democratic Party, it's coming from moms and pops, people who want to fundamentally change America. And I think that's fundamentally the way we need to change the entire system.
WATKINS: Well, Rich makes a great point.
Senators and congressmen and—and others have—have to spend a lot of time, maybe too much time, raising money from people. It certainly calls for—makes it sound attractive to push for term limits, so that we don't have people running again and again and again and again.
But, at the same time, I don't see that the system changes any time soon. We have a shot in 2010 to regain, to recapture a number of seats, a number of House seats. Certainly, if we can make inroads in the Northeast, that would be huge for Republicans, because we have lost a lot of our footing there. So, 2010 is a real opportunity year.
BARNICLE: Joe Watkins, Rich Masters, thanks very much.
MASTERS: Thanks, brother.
BARNICLE: Up next: Disgraced ex-Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich just won't stop talking. His latest offense next in the "Sideshow."
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BARNICLE: I love his laugh.
Back to HARDBALL. Time for the "Sideshow."
First up: Blago's blitz. The impeached governor of Illinois, Rod Blagojevich, has a new book out claiming he's innocent of trying to sell President Obama's Senate seat and that those incriminating FBI wiretaps were taken out of context.
Here he is last night on "The Daily Show."
ROD BLAGOJEVICH (D), FORMER ILLINOIS GOVERNOR: I'm the anti-Nixon. I want every tape recording heard by you.
BLAGOJEVICH: I want those released to the public. My accusers are the Nixons.
JON STEWART, HOST, "THE DAILY SHOW WITH JON STEWART": It's not like you came out and everybody was like, really, Blagojevich?
STEWART: I mean, people in Chicago were like, yes, that sounds about right.
Like, it wasn't...
BLAGOJEVICH: No, I don't think...
STEWART: No, don't you think?
BLAGOJEVICH: No, I don't think so.
STEWART: All right.
BLAGOJEVICH: No, I don't think so.
STEWART: That what it seems like.
BLAGOJEVICH: Would an innocent man—would a guilty man say listen to all the tapes or would an innocent man say, hear the tapes? Because you will hear the truth in those tapes. That's what I have said. My accusers won't let you hear them.
STEWART: And I mean no disrespect.
BLAGOJEVICH: Yes.
STEWART: People can convince themselves of a lot of things.
BARNICLE: Well, that's just a sneak peek of what we might see during Blago's trial set for next June.
And next, live from New York—last night, the Thursday edition of "SNL"'s "Weekend Update" brought back their take on New York Governor David Paterson.
Here's Paterson's comment on President Obama, who reportedly tried to discourage him from running from reelection.
UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: Why do you think he's getting involved?
UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: Oh, he probably just has a bunch of time to kill.
Oh, wait. He's the busiest man in the world. And, yet, he took time to bully me, a fellow black Democrat.
That's like the pope calling a local priest to tell him to go to hell.
UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: By the way, you know how to go to hell, Chris?
Take the Holland Tunnel straight to New Jersey.
BARNICLE: The obligatory New Jersey joke.
Time now for tonight's "Big Number."
A new CBS/"New York Times" poll asked Americans who they thought had better ideas about reforming the health care system, President Obama or Republicans in Congress? The president won out. In fact, just how big is his advantage on health care? Twenty-five points. He beat out Republicans 52 percent to 27 percent when it comes to who Americans trust on health care. The president has a sizable advantage, 25 points.
That's tonight's "Big Number."
Up next: Conservative critics are calling this video of New Jersey schoolchildren singing the praises of President Obama brainwashing. What's going on here? Pat Buchanan and David Corn will debate it next.
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CHRISTINA BROWN, NBC CORRESPONDENT: I'm Christina Brown. Here's what happening.
Police in Southern California have arrested a 16-year-old boy suspected of setting more than a dozen wildfires. Authorities say the teen could be responsible for as many as 14 acts of arson dating back to 2006.
Thousands of protesters marched in Pittsburgh today on the final day of the G20 conference. This week's protests were almost entirely nonviolent. President Obama said he respectfully disagrees with protesters who view free trade as the source of global inequalities.
Terror suspect Najibullah Zazi is back in New York. He was flown from Colorado to a detention facility in Brooklyn to face charges of conspiring to use weapons of mass destruction on U.S. soil.
And former Democratic Party Chairman Paul Kirk was officially sworn in on Capitol Hill today. Senator Kirk is taking over for the late Senator Ted Kennedy. His appointment gives Democrats a filibuster-proof 60-vote majority in the Senate—now back to HARDBALL.
BARNICLE: Welcome back to HARDBALL.
There's a new video making its way around the Internet that shows public elementary school children in Burlington, New Jersey, singing about President Obama earlier this year during Black History Month.
In this clip, we have blurred the students' faces, but pay attention, if you can, to the lyrics on the screen. Let's watch.
UNIDENTIFIED CHILDREN (singing): He said that all must lend a hand to make this country strong again, mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack Hussein Obama.
He said we must be fair today. Equal work means equal pay! Mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack Hussein Obama. He said, red, yellow, black or white, all are equal in his sight. Mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack Hussein Obama.
BARNICLE: Mmm, mmm, mmm.
So, simple question, was that song appropriate or not? Should a public school teacher instruct children to since a song about the president?
Pat Buchanan is an MSNBC political analyst. And when he was in grammar school, he sang a song to Grover Cleveland, the same as those kids did.
BARNICLE: And David Corn is the Washington bureau chief for "Mother Jones."
Patrick J. Buchanan, what is your take on this seemingly, as you—as you listen—as you read the blogs and listen to some talk radio, it has become sort of an incendiary issue in the past couple of days. What's your view?
PAT BUCHANAN, MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, you know, Mike, I have got to say, I was in the Soviet Union in 1971. And they took us into one of these little day care centers and the little kids of Young Pioneers came out, and they sang to father Lenin, one of these little Bolshevik hymnals.
And I swear, this reminded me of that.
BUCHANAN: But, look, father Lenin and Barack Obama are different.
Barack Obama is president of the United States. These kids are very cute. They're singing. I mean, they—you know, in unison. I laughed my head off when I saw the thing on the Web.
But I will tell you this. I think the teacher comes right out of the (INAUDIBLE) She had those little kids working it just perfectly. It's either that—it's either that, Mike, or I think this is the opening of day care center at "Mother Jones" magazine.
BARNICLE: David, your turn on that one.
DAVID CORN, WASHINGTON BUREAU CHIEF, "MOTHER JONES": Well, maybe we could the money on that, have a sideline enterprise here.
CORN: Look, I don't think anybody can defend this.
What I find funny is that, on a day in which we discover there's an Iranian secret nuclear facility, you know, Barack Obama was up at the U.N. talking about securing loose nukes, we have 47 million people unemployed, we still have an economy that's teetering, and, you know, conservative bloggers are getting all worked up about this one classroom?
A, it shouldn't have happened. The teachers should be teaching them maybe about Grover Cleveland, you know, Pat Buchanan's favorite president.
CORN: But, you know, it shouldn't have happened, end of story.
You know, not everything, not everything...
BARNICLE: Yes.
CORN: ... that appears on the Internet has to be a big controversy.
BARNICLE: You know what I...
BUCHANAN: All right. Mike, Mike, what—I mean, you went to parochial school. We were marched through little drills like that. But they weren't to Barack Hussein Obama.
BARNICLE: You know, the interesting thing, Pat, is, when I was in parochial school...
BUCHANAN: Yes. Yes.
BARNICLE: ... we literally, at the beginning of each day, we would say the Pledge of Allegiance...
BUCHANAN: Right.
BARNICLE: ... and we would toast the president of the United States, who was then Dwight David Eisenhower.
CORN: You would toast?
BARNICLE: Yes.
CORN: Were they giving you beers?
BARNICLE: With a glass of milk. With a glass of milk.
BUCHANAN: You know what we did, Mike? We did it. We came in from recess at noon. You gave the Pledge of Allegiance. Then you had all the prayers. Before school in the morning, you went to mass and then you all walked into your classes. But that was done at noon, just like you guys did it up there.
But it wasn't Ike. It was FDR. And I know my father was unhappy if we were saying anything nice about him.
CORN: I have got to tell you guys—I have got to tell you guys, I had a very different—very different upbringing.
On my way to religious school, we used to sit in the back of the station wagon and chant, "LBJ, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?"
BARNICLE: Oh, yes. Well...
CORN: I mean, it was different times.
BUCHANAN: The little red schoolhouse you went you, huh, David?
CORN: That was on the way to religious school, Pat.
BARNICLE: You know, Pat, let me—and then David following Pat.
BUCHANAN: Sure.
BARNICLE: Let me tell you what I find interesting about this. I agree with David, you know, that this—this—this shouldn't have been done. I sort of understand the context of it.
BUCHANAN: Right.
BARNICLE: The teacher retired at the end of the year. You know, it was probably personal to the teacher. She gets little second- and third-grade kids to go along with it.
But this video that is now rocketing around the Internet, combined with the reaction just a couple of weeks ago to the president speaking to schoolchildren, I'm wondering, Pat, what's your view on how incendiary the air, the atmosphere, is around Barack Obama on the Internet and on talk radio? What is causing this? What does—what, are they afraid of him?
BUCHANAN: Well, undeniably—you know, look, conservatives have always been concerned about public education, what children are being taught, and whether traditional values and all this are being driven out.
But I will tell you, Mike, you have got a very good point. What this will do will tend to confirm those folks out there who believe these kids are being indoctrinated in values, in beliefs, in politics which aren't theirs at home. They're being taken away from their parents.
Honestly, I did think of the Young Pioneers back there, when I was chilled. We were with Democrats and Republicans in the height of the Cold War before detente. And these little kids were singing this stuff. You said, geez, what are these kids going to grow up to be?
And that is the fear I think you will find of millions of parents who see this thing out there. The kids are very cute, very cute, but there is a sort of chilling aspect to it.
CORN: Oh, I would hazard a guess that, in that particular town, most of the parents probably voted for Barack Obama as well. But, nevertheless, you know, this shouldn't have happened.
But the question—your question is whether there are people out there ready to pounce on anything. I mean, you had the tea baggers in town here a couple of weeks ago running around with posters that made Barack Obama look like Hitler. And, you know, I didn't see—and I didn't see—and I didn't see...
BUCHANAN: Well, but that's—that's—that's nasty stuff. And everybody would agree with that.
CORN: It's nasty stuff.
BUCHANAN: But this is—this is disturbing stuff.
BUCHANAN: This is disturbing, David, in the sense that, look, kids go to school. They're not there to be indoctrinated.
CORN: Well, you're right, Pat.
BUCHANAN: And this sure looks like it.
CORN: No, no, listen, we both agree that this should not have happened.
The secondary question now becomes, how big a deal is this and should people be using this to—you know, to fuel the fires that they're already burning on other fronts? I mean, this has nothing to do obviously...
BUCHANAN: Well, what are you saying? They shouldn't—are you saying they shouldn't see this; it shouldn't be on the Internet; it should be taken down?
CORN: No, of course they should. Of course they should see it, and this shouldn't happen again.
But, I mean, when it comes to what's happening in the world at large, what—this little two-minute video from a classroom in New Jersey really is not that significant.
BUCHANAN: Well, you know, well, let me tell you something. You and I can talk about Iran and what their facility is all about. But parents who have got kids who are 6 and 7 years old, they say, you know, I send them to teach them about God.
They're very conservative traditionalists. And they see this on the Internet and they say, what's going on in our schools? And it is disturbing to them.
CORN: It's one...
BUCHANAN: And I think it's something they ought to see. If it's not representative, fine.
BUCHANAN: If it's not representative, fine.
CORN: But this is an outlier. That's the problem with our national discourse.
CORN: Well, give me the evidence this has happened anyplace else.
Right now, this is an outlier.
BUCHANAN: Well, give me the evidence that it hasn't.
CORN: Well, listen, you can't—you know better than anyone you can't prove a negative. You get—you should get mad about things that exist, not bad about things you can imagine.
BARNICLE: You know what's really interesting? What's really interesting?
BUCHANAN (singing): Mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack Hussein Obama.
CORN: You like that.
BARNICLE: It was a catchy tune, by the way.
BUCHANAN: It is catchy, I will tell you.
BARNICLE: What is really interesting...
CORN: Pat, listen—listen, in schools across America now, they're cutting back on music classes. So, we should be happy for this.
BARNICLE: What's really interesting to me, as the parent of seven children, is the idea that so many radio talk show hosts and bloggers, and apparently some parents, as well, think that the attention span of a second-grader or a third-grader is going to be such that this song or any song is going to stick with them beyond like that evening. I mean, it's—it's crazy.
BUCHANAN: Mike, they had that stuff down pretty well. They have been working on it.
BARNICLE: Yes.
CORN: I think the song will stick around for a while now.
BARNICLE: I would memorize it.
BARNICLE: David Corn, Pat Buchanan, thanks very much.
CORN: Sure thing, Mike.
BUCHANAN: OK. Thank you, Mike.
BARNICLE: Up next: back to our top story, Iran's newly revealed nuclear site. How should President Obama handle this major test on the world stage?
This is HARDBALL, only on MSNBC.
BARNICLE: Coming up: Could Bill Clinton be President Obama's secret weapon to get health care reform through? David Gregory, the moderator of "Meet the Press," joins us next—when HARDBALL returns.
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I have always said that we do not rule out any options when it comes to U.S. security interests, but I will also re-emphasize that my preferred course of action is to resolve this in a diplomatic fashion. It's up to the Iranians to respond.
BARNICLE: We're back.
And it's time for the "Politics Fix" with David Gregory, moderator of NBC's "Meet the Press," and Ron Brownstein, the political director for Atlantic Media.
David, we just saw the president on a stage in Pittsburgh, but it's really a world stage for him now. Does this change the dynamic of what his presidency is all about and who he is? Is he now more of a leader of the Western world than just the United States?
DAVID GREGORY, MODERATOR, "MEET THE PRESS": Inevitably in a presidency, there are events that are thrust upon the president, that he has to respond to, shape. And he has got to shape it not just for himself but, as you say, for the western world, for the western allies. That's what the president is in the middle of doing right now.
This is the moment of confrontation, of challenge with regard to Iran. This is the moment when he is able to say to the Iranians, got you. We got you. We see what you're doing. Now you either sit down and talk and negotiate away nuclear weapons, or there's going to be a different track that you're not going to like.
So stop haranguing, stop negotiating, stop saying one thing one day, and something else another. Let's talk. And let's talk about the potential for a real relationship, because I, President Obama, is somebody who wants to engage with you.
All of that is coming up for a test right now.
BARNICLE: Ron, the backstory here—it's not really the back story -
· it's a major one—involves the president and his relationship with and his discussions with the Russians and the Chinese over this very issue. How, if at all, does this help him domestically in politics here?
RON BROWNSTEIN, POLITICAL DIRECTOR, ATLANTIC MEDIA: Well, first of all, your point is correct, Mike. I think a lot of things that have happened up to this point in his presidency have put him in a stronger position to organize a kind of unified response from the world.
The overall trajectory of his discussion of international organizations, the fact that he has made clear he was willing to have a negotiation with Iran, a more direct kind of engagement, and also, frankly, the decision on missile defense that removed some hurdles to the relationship with Russia.
Those all put him in a stronger position to try to organize an international coalition here. The hard truth is that this is one of those problems in which even the combined influence of a unified outside world may have limited capacity to change the trajectory of policy in Iran. This is going to be a difficult and frustrating problem for Obama, in all likelihood, as it was for President Bush.
So, on the one hand, I think it does elevate his stature in the world. That cannot help but help him at home. On the other hand, it is going to be a persistent headache, and one that is unlikely to lead to the equivalent of a V.E. Day any time soon.
BARNICLE: We will be back with David Gregory and Ron Brownstein for more of the "Politics Fix."
You're watching HARDBALL, only on MSNBC.
BARNICLE: We are back with David Gregory and Ron Brownstein with more of the "Politics Fix."
Bill Clinton will be David's guest this Sunday on "Meet the Press." And, in an interview today, to be broadcast Sunday, here is the former president on the Iran situation.
GREGORY: Is this a moment where the president says to Iran, we got you, and now it's time to act, or you are going to face serious consequences?
BILL CLINTON, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Well, I think that's what they want to—to communicate with them. And I think the reason they want to have talks is, if they have talks, and they don't just hurl assaults in the—in the press about it, they can more explicitly lay out things they may not be prepared to say in public yet about what the options are if Iran continues down this path.
And they can also talk about where we might go together if they reverse course. So, I always think it's a good idea, if possible, to look somebody in the eye and have a chance to have a conversation, before there is a total breach.
But I—I think this is actually healthy that this has broken. I—
I—the Iranians must have known that the Americans knew. Somehow, they must have found out that, or they wouldn't have voluntarily notified the IAEA about this.
BARNICLE: David, former President Clinton's emerging role in—in the national dialogue with President Obama is kind of interesting. Is—is there any rational explanation for it? He's—he's back, bigger than ever, it seems.
GREGORY: Well, he is. And he's an important voice, it seems, who is not shy about offering kind of sharp analysis about where this is going and where it should go.
And I think what's interesting about this is that there are still some unresolved questions about with whom the U.S. should deal in Iran? Who is really in control? You spoke about this earlier in the program with Jamie Rubin.
It's the mullahs who control the nuclear program. It's Ahmadinejad who makes a lot of the noise. This has been clarifying, in that the administration is in a position to now say: We know you have this. This is what happens if you continue on, and, as the president and former president says, this is the kind of deal we could construct here.
What President Clinton said to me today that will be on the program on Sunday is that the timing is critical right now, because, if Iran progresses too far down a road where conflict becomes inevitable, then, all of this sort of—all this engagement doesn't have the impact that is intended.
So, there is—there is an Israel card to be played, perhaps...
BARNICLE: Yes.
GREGORY: ... or just that they get too far afoul of the international community.
BARNICLE: Ron, you know, one of the interesting things about the Clinton presidency, much talked about, much written about, was political triangulation. Everybody talked about how good President Clinton was at that.
Is there a possibility for triangulation here with President Obama in this polarized society of ours, in that conservatives, conservative Republicans in the Senate and House, Iran, and President Obama's intention to deal toughly with Iran? Is there something there?
BROWNSTEIN: Well, yes.
One the other—it really cuts both ways. On the hand, there will be more pressure, as we have talked about before, from domestic pressure for a tough line on Iran than there was even on North Korea. And, on the other hand, you can see where—what President Clinton was talking about there was basically offering Iran a fork in the road, saying, look, you can go down this path toward more confrontation and a darker real, or you could move away from these nuclear ambitions, and we can look at reassessing the overall relationship.
The problem is, since that election last summer and the crackdown in Iran and the loss of a esteem worldwide of that government, it's harder to offer, even implicitly, a more normalized relationship with that government, because that concept will receive a lot of pushback from elements from really all around the world, but certainly here in the U.S., even if it is tied to them moving away from some of their nuclear ambitions.
So, in some ways, the Iranian behavior itself has narrowed President Obama's options for dealing with them.
BARNICLE: David, earlier this week, I believe, President Clinton, former President Clinton, was with Larry King. And he was asked about health care. And he explained the necessity for health care reform to Larry King in about 30 or 35 seconds in a way that anybody walking down the sidewalk could understand like that.
The incumbent president, Obama, tremendously gifted individual in terms of explaining things, hasn't really been able to explain, to the public's satisfaction, the need to change health care legislation in this country.
GREGORY: Well, I think he is playing it. He's talking about the complexity of health care, but he's also talking about how things changed since he tried, unsuccessfully, to get it through.
And you will see in this interview he makes the case for what the president can achieve this time around and why it will be significant.
BARNICLE: Ron Brownstein, David Gregory, thanks very much.
GREGORY: Thanks.
BARNICLE: Chris Matthews returns Monday night at 5:00 and 7:00 Eastern for more HARDBALL.
"COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN" starts right now.
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Announcing Jeremy McLellan's 1966 Chevelle Build
Starting in July 2015 we are beginning a 1966 Chevelle Project for Jeremy McLellan of Cambridge, ON, Canada. That's right when this piece of American Muscle is finished it is headed off to the Great White North.
Jeremy's goal for this car is a daily driver with performance enough for the autocross. Starting with a 1966 Chevelle that Jeremy bought (sight unseen) in North Carolina and shipped to Allison Customs in Bloomfield, NM. I will be working through dozens of modifications that he has envisioned for his ride. On the exterior we have shaved drip rails, shaved door handles, blacked out or deleted chrome, custom rear spoiler and GIANT 20 x 12 rear wheels with matching 19 x 9.5 inch wheels out front and of course, all riding on a custom frame and suspension package. Moving inside we get custom bucket seating, a dash with the newest technology in stereo and instrumentation, all followed up by a center console running all the way through the car. What is going to motivate this rolling beast of 50 year old steel? How about a 650 Hp 418 cu.in. LS monster motor attached to a Tremec T56 transmission!
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The CSS Neuse Civil War Interpretive Center is designed to show all aspects of the Civil War in Eastern North Carolina, from military to civilian, and a local camp of the Sons of Confederate Veterans is helping to fund part of the military side.
The CSS Neuse Civil War Interpretive Center is designed to show all aspects of the Civil War in Eastern North Carolina, from military to civilian, and a local camp of the Sons of Confederate Veterans is helping to fund part of the military side.
�It�s local history, and we want to help out and educate as much as possible,� said Gary Hines, commander of the SCV�s CSS Ram Neuse Camp 1427 of Kinston.
The Interpretive Center, which houses the remains of the Confederate Navy�s CSS Neuse ironclad, is scheduled to have a �soft opening,� with temporary exhibits and an auditorium, sometime this winter.
The full opening is expected to take place in the fall.
Camp 1427 has donated $900 toward the making of an �authentic� North Carolina soldier�s uniform and gear, which would be on display in the Interpretive Center.
A check for $900 was presented Tuesday evening by camp officers to Keith Hardison, director of the N.C. Division of Historic Sites and Properties, which oversees the Neuse Interpretive Center and Caswell Memorial.
�These uniforms are not cheap, especially when you have one that is historically correct and everything that is going on this display is going to be historically correct,� Hines said before the presentation Tuesday.
The soldier�s uniform exhibit will be among a number of permanent exhibits about all aspects of the Civil War in Kinston and Lenoir County, including the gunboat, members of the Confederate and Union military, civilians living in and around Kinston, and the African-American experience.
�The aim of the museum is to tell the larger story about why Kinston was important in the (Civil) war,� said Sarah Risty-Davis, site manager of the CSSNeuseCivilWarInterpretiveCenterand Gov. Richard Caswell Memorial, who also spoke to The Free Press before Tuesday�s presentation.
Hines said the exhibit will be of a typical uniform worn by a North Carolina infantryman, including his cap, jacket, shirt, trousers and shoes.
It will also include his �accoutrements,� such as a canteen, a cloth bag to carry supplies, boxes to carry percussion caps and cartridges for his weapon, a haversack and more.
Hines said several suppliers of uniforms and gear for Civil War re-enactors will make the items for the exhibit.
�It�s going to be made from scratch by hand and its authentic, an authentic North Carolina uniform,� Hines said.
Hardison said the SCV�s donation will cover everything in the exhibit except the soldier�s weapon.
He explained that state and private money is available for exhibits, and officials must still determine which pot of money will be used for the weapon.
�We will have a full infantry outfit and weapon by the time we�re finished,� Hardison said.
He said it will be one of several exhibits covering uniforms of the period, such as the Union Army and naval uniforms, and private groups have offered to help �underwrite� them.
�This is just another indication of how the historical community, as well as the community at large, is embracing this project,� Hardison said.
About $3.8 million in state and private funds is being spent on the entire Interpretive Center, and Hardison said more contributions of money and artifacts from the public are welcome.
David Anderson can be reached at 252-559-1077 or email@example.com. Follow him on Twitter at DavidFreePress.
- To contribute to the CSS Neuse Civil War Interpretive Center, call Site Manager Sarah Risty-Davis at 252-526-9600, Ext. 232
- The Sons of Confederate Veterans� CSS Ram Neuse Camp 1427 meets the first Tuesday of the month at King�s Restaurant
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Saturday 12th August 2017
Midland Football League Premier
Coleshill Town 3 v 0 Loughborough University
Scorers: Ryan Edmunds, Dean Rathbone, Giovanni Dainty.
Attendance: 102.
Opposition Player Of The Match: Ryan Edmunds (Coleshill) Kumbiria Mutamba (Uni)
Supporters Club Man Of The Match, Sponsored by Greensleeves: Ryan Edmunds.
Colemen: Paul Hathaway, Joe Cole, Anton Astley, Danny Tymon, Rob Evans, Jesse Race, Ryan Edmunds, Joe Hassell, Matt Garner, Reece Leek, Dean Rathbone. Subs used Giovanni Dainty, Brett Fellows, Jorna Moulton. Subs not used Corey Currithers, Luke Edwards.
Loughborough: Tobias Aromolaran, Joseph Boachie, Andrew Bridge, Oliver Davis, Alex Dinsmore, Alexander Simon Johnson, Jake King, Charlie Lewis, Luke Moran, Kumbirai Mutamba, Tomasz Siemienczuk. Substitutes: Max Bardsley-Rowe, James Daly, George Lynam.
Last year's runners-up Coleshill Town impressed with a 3-0 defeat of visitors Loughborough University. Ryan Edmunds, Dean Rathbone and Gio Dainty with the goals.
By Craig Hamilton
In the first minute the Students won the call in midfield and some nice play down their left forced the first corner of the game but Coleshill defended well and cleared. Coleshill started to get into the game and a ball over the Uni defence found Reece Leek but his heavy touch saw the ball run out of play, then a right wing free kick was cleared at the near post by the Uni defence.
It's was not all going Coleshill's way as a through ball to Aromalaran saw him cross low into the six yard box but was cleared for a corner which was again cleared easily. Rob Evans then won the ball for Coleshill and played a ball over the Uni defence for Matt Gardner to run onto but King in the Uni goal came out to smother the ball.
The play was now end to end play and good build up play by Uni saw the ball played to the feet of Boachie who turned and shot from 20 yards but saw his shot skim the top of the bar. Coleshill then went close as Ryan Edmunds knocked the ball past the left back into the area but his shot went wide of near post. This spurred on Coleshill and they had several chances to score but Uni defended well.
Loughborough then had a chance themselves as Boachie ran clear on goal but Paul Hathaway saved at his feet. Coleshill then gained the advantage as a mix up in defence saw the ball fall to Dean Rathbone who chipped the ball over the centre half to Ryan Edmunds who fired the ball into the net from 18 yards 1-0, 33 minutes. Then a one two between Dean Rathbone and Ryan Edmunds saw the ball flash across the six yard box and cleared but Coleshill win the ball back and a low cross was slid into the net by Dean Rathbone from close range 2-0, 35 minutes gone.
The game was played at a good pace and both sides had chances to score. First Matt Gardner headed over for Coleshill and then Moran fired over for Uni but the half finished with Coleshill on top 2-0.
Coleshill started the second half on the front foot but failed to make a corner count and then the Students danger man Boachie turned in the area but saw his shot blocked. Then a Dean Rathbone free kick was well saved by King in the Uni goal and Matt Gardner followed up to score but was flagged off side. Ryan Edmunds then intercepted a pass on the halfway line looked up and tried a "Beckham" but saw his chip land on the top of the net.
The game saw a string of free kicks from both sides break up the flow of play. Both sides still had chances but the game was wrapped up for Coleshill when a long ball was chased by Reece Leek but the keeper got to the ball first but saw his clearance hit Reece Leek on the back and fall to the feet of Gio Dainty to side foot into the empty net 3-0 86 minutes.
Some good football played by both sides but Coleshill proved too good for the University on the day.
Students Yet To Find Their Feet Against Experienced Rivals
THE Students had a tough opening fixture at the home of last season's runner-up Coleshill Town and couldn't have too many complaints about a 3-0 loss.
Coleshill are an experienced side and have been together for a few seasons now whilst the Uni side were forced into making changes from the side that had gone out the FA Cup the previous week and included a much changed back four and it showed.
It will probably be a few weeks before Karl Brenan can field a settled side as players slowly return to the campus from various activities such as vacations and placements, plus there are a few 'Fresher's in the side finding out what life is like at this level of football.
There wasn't a lot to choose between the sides in the opening half an hour although Jake King in the Students goal had to be alert when coming out to make a superb save at the feet of a Coleshill forward.
Shortly afterwards the Students went close when the ever alert Joe Boachie fired a rasper of a shot that hit the top of the bar with the 'keeper well beaten and Boachie was then denied by the home 'keeper when he raced through only to see his effort well blocked. In between Coleshill should have scored when they were through clear on goal but the shot was pulled wide.
In the space of five minutes the Scholars hopes were all but ended as they conceded two goals.
The first came about when the inexperience in the Students defence showed and the ball was only partially cleared allowing the home side to take advantage and set up a chance for Ryan Edmunds to blast the ball home from the edge of the box.
That inexperience was even more evident as the Uni appealed for an offside decision that was never going to be given and they were all over the place as Rathbone rolled the ball into the net.
There was still time for Boachie to send another good effort just over the top but on a G3 pitch and two goals adrift at halftime it wasn't turning out to be what the Uni had hoped for from the first League game of the season.
However, credit to them for making a far better fist of things in the second half when they matched Coleshill for long periods of the game but in fairness it was the brilliance of 'keeper Jake King that kept them in the game as he pulled off two superb saves midway through the half, one in fact a double save following a rocket of a free kick that he did well to keep out and he deserved the plaudits from the onlookers.
The final goal came in the closing minutes and was a result of the Students own poor play. Taking a free kick which should have been put into the opposition box they chose to play across the field and the ball was intercepted. A catalogue of errors followed allowing Dainty to fire home from just inside the penalty area.
The Students, naturally, are a very young side and will need time to adjust to football at this level but on the other hand Coleshill will surely be one of the stronger sides in the division so it was a lesson for the learning.
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OK, so this is it. The fifth and final installment of Voodoo Revisited. I realize you're all probably sick to death of me yammering about Pacific Northwest Nuts, with all their cereal ostentation and artificially-flavored powder. But a menu as extensive and outlandish as Voodoo's deserves such attention, and who knows when Blognut will get to Portland again? Plus, how many Doughnut shops offer Swahili lessons every Monday night!?
You might think it's unreasonable to visit the same Doughnut shop three times in one day. Especially since in part 3 we preached the importance of moderating one's daily Nut intake. But this was our last day in Portland, and impending fear that this was our last chance to set foot inside the great Voodoo Doughnut for quite some time, drove our hunger to previously unattained levels. So with another cup of Stumpy joe in hand, Tuesday morning we entered Voodoo for the third-to-last time.
Though we only bought one Nut, it carried the weight of at least a dozen (both literally and figuratively). Named for the posse of assistants and friends who accompanied Elvis from 1956 until the day he died, the Memphis Mafia is infamous around Portland. You can't be a super-sized banana fritter, topped with peanut butter, mounds of glaze, peanuts and chocolate chips and not build up some sort of a reputation. And how does it compare with The Doughnut Plant's equally Elvis-inspired Peanut Butter Glazed stuffed with Banana Cream? Just as delicious but far more intimidating, with its mound of toppings and mercuric density. And while it definitely brings to mind the King's classic grilled peanut butter and naner sandwich, the MM has much more happening in terms of flavor and texture thanks to the massive hardened globs of glaze, chocolate chips and crunchy peanuts. Plus the banana flavor is way more potent then you think it's going to be. A Nut among Nuts, the Memphis Mafia is certainly near the top of the Voodoo roster.
Now I forget what exactly we did next. But I know we basically killed time until it felt appropriate to return to Voodoo without seeming insane to the girl working the register. "Hello again," said the Doughnut Girl, "Back for more I see!" "Yep. Just wanted to see if you had any of those really big glazed Doughnuts?" "I assume you mean the Tex-ass. And no, we don't. But if you check back in a few hours we should have some." Perfect. Now we had an excuse to go back for a third time in one day. But as long as we were there, why not pick up a few Nuts to tide us over, you know?
So we ordered a Tang-fastic and a Butter Fingering (Voodoo just doesn't stop with these cleverly perverse names). We ate them both in the car on the way to the Bridgeport Brewery in the Pearl District, similar to NYC's Meatpacking district, minus all the idiots and celebrities.
The Tang-fastic was fang-tastic. A plain cake Nut with vanilla frosting, sprinkled with America's favorite powdered kitsch (although I don't know anyone who actually drinks it). And they definitely don't skimp on the Tang, as you can see by the ever-so-orange photo above. The foundation for the Tang-fastic is Voodoo's frosted plain cake (our first ever Voodoo Nut by the way - see Part 1), but the powerful Tangy bite shadows any semblence of taste similarity. And while the three mini marshmallows resting atop the Nut don't do much in the way of flavor, they are nice to look at. Sort of a prize for getting to the center, like one of those European Christmas cakes with jewelry hidden inside. Except no one loses any teeth when they get to the marshmallows.
Next up, the Butter Fingering. Back in July, field-correspondent Beta Blognut doled out a perfect 10.0 to this candy-coated Nut (which he referred to as the Butterfinger Ring, and was appropriately reprimanded for). And after trying it for myself, I'd have to agree. Devil's-food cake dough, vanilla frosting and loads of Butterfinger crumbs make for an absolutely perfect Nut. Voodoo has successfully joined one of my favorite Candy Bars (second only to 5th Avenue, the most underrated candy bar of all time) with my favorite of all foods. Well done.
For the next few hours we downed microbrews at Bridgeport, resting up for our final go at Voodoo.
Alright. We'd given them enough time to make the Tex-ass. It was nightfall and our plane would leave in two hours, so this was our last chance at the giant Nut. A short drive later and we found ourselves walking into Voodoo for the last time - a sad occasion for sure. But the three giant Doughnuts resting on a tray behind the counter soon lifted our mood. "We'll have a Tex-ass please. And while you're at it, throw in a Voodoo Man, a Peanut Butter Oreo (which I think is called the Ol' Dirty Bastard) and a Bacon Maple Bar." What a way to close our Portland Nut Experience - one Doughnut covered in greasy pork, one flaunting a pretzel phallus and one the size of my head (plus the Peanut Butter Oreo).
Voodoo Doll.
We stepped outside and while standing beneath the glowing Voodoo sign, bit deeply into our doughy voodoo doll. He bled raspberry jelly. Basically a chocolate-frosted jelly-filled, save the tiny pretzel stick protruding from his nether region, the Nut tasted far simpler than it looked.
We then pulled out the Peanut Butter Oreo, which is Voodoo at its best. A fat and airy ball of yeast dough smeared with chocolate icing, peanut butter and crumbled oreos, the PBO was absolutely REEE-DICULOUS. It's certainly the most decadent Nut we had at Voodoo, but without the overwhelming sweetness of the cereal-based Nuts we swallowed in Part 2. It's so complex, it's hard to really know what's happening while chewing it. A blast chocolate gives way to a powerful Oreoness, both of which disappear once the peanut butter hits. It's a chewy, gobby mess of delicious.
Mrs. Blognut holding Tex-ass.
We then pulled out the Tex-ass. This was hands down the most impressive Nut we'd ever seen. Something about the plain-glazed simplicity inflated to such epic proportions had Blognut mesmerized - we just couldn't bring ourselves to eat it. We passed it back and forth for nearly 10 minutes, neither of us able to make the first move. Instead we put it back in the box, agreeing to freeze it and try again next year on our anniversary. And that was it.
On the way to the airport Mrs. Blognut asked me if I was sick of doughnuts yet. "No," I replied.
The next morning, sitting at our breakfast table, we dined on our final Voodoo Nut - the Bacon Maple Bar. A work of genius really, the BMB is the pancakes, the syrup and the bacon, all in one – it's the complete breakfast. We savored every last bite of this salty-sweet creation, happy to be home, but longing for our next taste of Voodoo.
Voodoo Box.
Parting Shot.
Doughnut Scores:
Tex-ass - score will be announced September 24th, 2007


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Something my good friend and senior Sensei Pat Nakata recently mentioned has stuck in my mind. I am paraphrasing him.
If you teach kata, it will take longer, but the student's potential is not limited. If you only teach self-defense drills or applications, the student can learn those techniques more quickly, but his potential will be limited.
I agree with this 100%.
Kata does take longer, and for a considerable time the student will probably not be able to use the self defense techniques contained in the kata. The student will, however, learn the proper basics and how to move well. Once this is attained, the applications are taught, and with good body dynamics, the student will be able to use the applications well. At least that is how it is supposed to be.
If someone grabs your throat with both hands (from the front), there are many techniques that will work. Quick. Review all the kata in your mind and think of the techniques that you could use.
Sorry, that does not work. If you are choked, you have to be able to react instantly, without thinking. Your body has to be able to react. This type of spontaneity does not come from kata easily. However, it is possible with drills and pairing off sequences.
If you practice choking drills, you will be able to defend yourself against a choke very well. But you will not know how to move in the most efficient and effective manner possible. Karate is much more than a string of techniques.
Learning drills alone is a little like stacking one brick upon another. One brick, two bricks, three brick. Bricks and mortar make a wall.
To me, kata is like mixing explosives. A little of this, a little of that, mix, mix, mix and you have a potential bomb. Bricks are quicker but explosives can do more if you have the time to mix them properly.
As Nakata Sensei often says (quoting his Sensei, Chosin Chibana), there is no Karate without kata.
Of course, there is another possible scenario. A student could learn kata but never learn any techniques or applications. Such a student will be unable to defend himself. In such a case, kata would be useless (from the perspective of self defense). It does not matter that the kata might "look good." If it can't be used, it is useless.
The cleanest kata and best body dynamics in the world will mean nothing if you don't know what to do when someone grabs your throat.
Charles C. Goodin
Kata Vs. Self Defense Drills
Something my good friend and senior Sensei Pat Nakata recently mentioned has stuck in my mind. I am paraphrasing him.
Posted by Charles C. Goodin on Tuesday, January 08, 2008


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[Nolan introduced their new N-104 to the public at the International Motorcycle Show in NY this past week-end. It was a preview before its official presentation at Dealer Expo in February, and its arrival in the US mid-February.
The new N104 is the synthesis of all the innovation that Nolan was able to introduce in the field of modular helmets, starting with the first and original N100 in 1998. Like all the other Nolan helmets, it is 100% made in Italy and represents the sum of all the safety and comfort features that Nolan was able to put into a contemporary design.
[N104: Nolan reinvents the modular helmet.**
-Size range: XXS to XXXL in two shell sizes (XXS to L in small shell; XL to XXXL in large shell) to keep the weight and volume of the helmet proportionate to the size of the rider. The lightweight and aerodynamic Lexan® polycarbonate shell features a built-in spoiler for improved stability.
-Ultra large, optically correct visor to cover the incredibly wide and tall eye-port. It can be changed easily thanks to the simple push-button release mechanism, offers UV400 protection and accepts the Pinlock® insert (included).
-VPS (Vision Protection system): internal scratch-resistant and fog-resistant sunshield is lowered by a slider and retracted instantly by a new button on the lower trim of the helmet.
-New Pinlock® anti-fog insert with silicone-seal mounts in a recess inside the clear shield to keep the rider fog-free.
-Pivoting chinbar with stainless steel latching mechanism and patented elliptical trajectory to bring the chinbar closer to the helmet, to reduce the resistance to the wind when riding with the helmet open.
-The P/J slider locks the chinbar in the upper position for additional safety when riding with the helmet open.
-Dual action Centromatic® release system (pull the tab on the underside of the chinbar, then squeeze together with the front tab) for increased safety.
-New Airbooster® system: from the front air intakes to the exhaust vents in the back, it channels the air through tubes to disperse it efficiently along the crown of the helmet. The forehead vents can be opened independently from the top vents to customize the air flow in the helmet.
-Chinbar vents are operated by a centrally located slider.
-Fully removable and washable four-piece Clima-Comfort® padding is wicking, breathable and treated with natural silver salt to be antibacterial and antifungal. It is designed to accommodate eyeglasses.
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U.S. Equal Employment
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Federal Agency Charges Employee Given Negative Reference for Filing Sexual Harassment Complaint
PHOENIX -- The U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) today announced that it is suing Greystar Holdings, Inc., doing business as Greystar Real Estate Partners and Greystar Properties, charging that the company unlawfully retaliated against an employee for filing a sexual harassment complaint. Greystar Holdings is an investment, development, and property management company that operates in real estate markets across the country including Phoenix, Arizona.
According to the EEOC, after the employee filed a complaint alleging sexual harassment, the complaint was settled, and the employee voluntarily resigned her employment. When she applied for employment elsewhere, however, she was informed that Greystar had provided a negative reference and recommended against hiring her because of her sexual harassment complaint.
Retaliation for complaining about discrimination violates Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The EEOC filed suit (CV-09-2003-PHX-FJM in U.S. District Court for the District of Arizona) after first attempting to reach a pre-litigation settlement. The agency will seek monetary damages, including compensatory and punitive damages for the victim. In addition, the EEOC will also ask that Greystar be required to institute and implement policies to eradicate and prevent future episodes of retaliation.
"Employers must refrain from taking adverse action against an employee who engages in protected activity," said Regional Attorney Mary Jo O'Neill of the EEOC's Phoenix District Office. "The EEOC will continue to vigorously defend the federally protected rights of victims who are penalized when they exercise their rights under the law."
Acting Director Rayford O. Irvin stated, "As far as the EEOC is concerned, retaliatory actions against employees who file complaints of discrimination simply will not be tolerated."
The EEOC's Phoenix District Office is responsible for processing charges of discrimination, administrative enforcement, and the conduct of agency litigation in Arizona, with Area Offices in Denver and Albuquerque.
The EEOC enforces federal laws prohibiting employment discrimination. Further information about the EEOC is available on its web site at www.eeoc.gov.


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Spontaneous Human Combustion: Facts & Theories
By Benjamin Radford via Live Science
Spontaneous combustion theories
A closer look
How Spontaneous Human Combustion Works
by Stephanie Watson via HowStuffWorks
In December 1966, the body of 92-year-old Dr. J. Irving Bentley was discovered in his Pennsylvania home by a meter reader. Actually, only part of Dr. Bentley's leg and slippered foot were found. The rest of his body had been burned to ashes. A hole in the bathroom floor was the only evidence of the fire that had killed him; the rest of the house remained perfectly intact.
How could a man catch fire — with no apparent source of a spark or flame — and then burn so completely without igniting anything around him? Dr. Bentley's case and several hundred others like it have been labeled "spontaneous human combustion" (SHC). Although he and other victims of the phenomenon burned almost completely, their surroundings, and even sometimes their clothes, remained virtually untouched.
Can humans spontaneously burst into flames? A lot of people think spontaneous human combustion is a real occurrence, but most scientists aren't convinced.
In this article, we will look at the strange phenomenon of spontaneous human combustion, see what believers have to say about it and try to separate the scientific truth from the myths.
What is Spontaneous Human Combustion?
Spontaneous combustion occurs when an object — in the case of spontaneous human combustion, a person — bursts into flame from a chemical reaction within, apparently without being ignited by an external heat source.
The first known account of spontaneous human combustion came from the Danish anatomist Thomas Bartholin in 1663, who described how a woman in Paris "went up in ashes and smoke" while she was sleeping. The straw mattress on which she slept was unmarred by the fire. In 1673, a Frenchman named Jonas Dupont published a collection of spontaneous combustion cases in his work "De Incendiis Corporis Humani Spontaneis."
The hundreds of spontaneous human combustion accounts since that time have followed a similar pattern: The victim is almost completely consumed, usually inside his or her home. Coroners at the scene have sometimes noted a sweet, smoky smell in the room where the incident occurred.
What makes the charred bodies in the photos of spontaneous human combustion so peculiar is that the extremities often remain intact. Although the torso and head are charred beyond recognition, the hands, feet, and/or part of the legs may be unburned. Also, the room around the person shows little or no signs of a fire, aside from a greasy residue that is sometimes left on furniture and walls. In rare cases, the internal organs of a victim remain untouched while the outside of the body is charred.
Not all spontaneous human combustion victims simply burst into flames. Some develop strange burns on their body which have no obvious source, or emanate smoke from their body when no fire is present. And not every person who has caught fire has died — a small percentage of people have actually survived what has been called their spontaneous combustion.


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BRIGHT's lead singer, Nanaka and solo dance machine Yuya Matsushita are two of the stars casted in the Japanese stage adaptation of the Korean drama, Dream High.
According to tokyohive:
on Yuya's official blog that he will appear in the musical "Dream High", set to start on July 3rd to July 20th. It will be playing at the New National Theater in Tokyo. The musical is based off the popular Korean drama and a first to hit the theatrical stage.
"Dream High" is directed and choreographed by Masuda Tetsuharu. With script written by Kuzuki Akira and music by Kamimura Shuuhei. Yuya will play 'Song Sam Dong', a boy who lives in the countryside and is brought into the school by 'Go Hye Mi' being played by NANAKA (from BRIGHT). Also starring with Yuya is Mizuta Kouki as 'Jin Gook', Joey (Tee) as 'Jason', Kawakami Juria (from JURIAN BEAT CRISIS) as 'Yoon Baek Hee', and Anna Santos as 'Kim Pil Sook'. The extended cast includes Tsuchiya Yuuichi (from *pnish*) as 'Kang Oh Hyuk', and NANA (from MAX) as the teacher, 'Shi Kyung Jin'.
Ticket sales will begin May 27th and range from ¥5,500 – ¥6,500 ($65-$75USD)


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Throughout French horn virtuoso Bernhard Scully's career, his mother, Bloomington pianist Joanne Minnetti, has been in his shadow — as his accompanist.
Now the pair are sharing equal billing on their first full-length album, entitled "Dialogues en Francais." The music reflects a mother and son artistic partnership that dates back to when Scully was a child.
Joanne Minnetti is a gifted pianist and piano teacher. Her son, Bernhard Scully is a French horn player extraordinaire.
The adage about coming from a musical family truly applies to Scully. From the time he was in the womb, he was enveloped in orchestral music, chamber music, symphonies, concertos and piano, piano, piano. Both his parents played piano, and taught it from the college level on down. That is what he was surrounded by, in addition to the cornfields on the edge of Vermillion South Dakota where he grew up. His friends may have thought it was weird that Scully had the great composers and their masterworks on the tip of his tongue the way they had memorized the U.S. presidents, but that was Scully's upbringing.
"I assumed it was normal for people to hear piano music constantly, and "Lightly Row" to be like played 5,000 in a day," Scully said.
"Lightly Row" is a standard Suzuki piece for beginning piano students. Both nature and nurture pointed Scully in the direction of becoming a top notch musician. The question at first was what instrument? The piano gave him a 'been there done that' feeling. After picking up the violin for a few years then putting it down, Scully settled on the French horn, with great enthusiasm as Minnetti recalls.
"I never made him practice," she said. "I mean, he just did it. In fact, when he got really serious about it was more like, 'OK, here's a timer, Bernhard. This will tell you when to stop practicing."
Scully's innate talent and the fervor with which he embraced the French horn made him a prized performer in a short amount of time. Soon he was traveling the student recital and competition circuit with his mom at his side, accompanying him. Once, when they had to make a recording for a performance, both Minnetti and Scully had an epiphany.
"The final product came out really well and I'm thinking 'Wow, this sounds really good,' " Minnetti said.
"My brain started to churn," Scully said. "I started thinking, 'Hey! This is working! We're a team!' "
"It was more like playing with a colleague than it was like playing for a student," Minnetti said.
Over the years, that musical bond only deepened. After stints with the St. Paul Chamber Orchestra and the prestigious Canadien Brass, the 35-year-old Scully is now a horn professor at the University of Illinois in Champaign-Urbana. He is also recognized as one of the premier French horn players in the country. Minnetti, 61, teaches piano at two Twin Cities music schools and is known for her work with special-needs students.
In 2009, Scully, with his mother performing alongside him, became the first classical brass player to win a McKnight Fellowship. Eventually, he and his mother decided to use the grant money to make their first album.
"Dialogues en Francais," features the two musicians immersed in some of the most revered music for French horn and piano, written, appropriately, by French composers. Minnesota Orchestra trumpet player Charles Lazarus, who helped produce the recording, says it contains some 20th century compositions which greatly expanded what was possible on French horn.
"These pieces were written with the intent that only the greatest virtuosos could truly have command of such daunting works," he said.
But at the center of the collection is a series of six pieces by composer Charles Gounod, entitled "Six Melodies." They allow Scully and Minnetti to showcase their musical relationship.
"What we really like about them is this dialogue aspect to them, meaning the piano is really featured equally to the horn, and it's just a beautiful conversation between the two instruments," he said.
"There are so many possibilities as how these pieces could be interpreted, Minnetti said. "And I'm thinking, 'well, I'm kind of going out on a limb here, but I like it.' "
Minnetti said she took risks in the way she would "phrase something, or change the tempo slightly, or just do my own thing."
Minnetti;s ability to listen and respond to her son's playing, as if they're talking musically to each other, is one of the album's strengths, according to Lazarus.
"Joanne may take a melody from Bernhard. He'll pass it off, and she'll play in the same style and with the same shape that Bernhard does," he said. "And then they play off each other and just continue that line going back and forth.
Listeners will just naturally listen to the phrasing and maybe forget which instrument is actually playing."
For Scully, there's also an instinctual, emotional communication happening in the music that could only come from mother and son.
"Absolutely," he said. There's something very special when mom and I sit down and play. It's almost like we can just read each other's minds, when we play."
Scully and Minnetti are planning recitals in support of "Dialogues en Francais." They also intend to make another recording with money still left over from Scully's McKnight Fellowship. What excites them the most is making a recording their family will treasure: of two immensely skilled musicians who happen to be mother and son, playing their hearts out.


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As many of you have so discovered, Conquer Club is now flaunting a dandy "REMATCH" button! We're excited to have it, and an announcement was going to be here earlier (barring that my computer didn't bonk out the night of the update!), but alas, here we are. Let's talk about it:
- The Rematch button will create an identical game with the same settings as the game that you are clicking "Rematch" for
- Upon creating the game, the system will ask if you'd like to send out invites for the game! Clicking "Yes" will then create and send an invitation to everyone that was in the game that had been originally cloned.
- As some of you have discovered, there is a bug/unintended loophole concerning the rematch button to create games on Battle Royales and Closed Maps. I request that you DO NOT join or create any of these games. They will be promptly deleted and exploiting bugs is against site rules! Yikes!
I appreciate your cooperation in the matter to not exploit the bug (as tempting as that may be) and ask that you report any wrongdoing's either in this thread or via a message to any Moderator or myself. Thank you all for your time! I'll keep you updated as this gets fixed. In the meantime, best of luck in your games! Thanks,