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Everyone is aware that Karate developed in the Ryukyu Kingdom (see Names of Okinawa), a small country dominated politically and militarily by Japan and China. But it was a separate nation, with its own distinct culture.
Many of Karate's pioneers in the Ryukyu Kingdom were members of the royal, noble, and administrative classes. People in the kingdom were distinctly aware of the King and those who were related to him. To this day, Okinawans in Hawaii will speak about their close or distant relationship to the royal family line.
There is a myth that Karate was developed by Okinawan farmers and peasants. Japanese tended to characterize all Okinawans as farmers and peasants. When the Ryukyu Kingdom was abolished and its lands were annexed to Japan as Okinawa Prefecture, a period of forced assimilation ensued. The prefecture became the poorest in Japan.
So, depending on the time period you look at, Karate in Okinawa may have been practiced by royalty, nobility, ordinary citizens, very poor people (many of whom emmigrated to mainland Japan, the United States and South America to escape poverty and starvation), post-war people rebuilding a devastated land, or the people we see today.
But during the days of the Ryukyu Kingdom, Karate tended to be practiced by royalty, nobility and the adminstrative classes. They were generally the only ones with the time to learn and practice Karate. The poor worked all day in the rocky fields or ocean, and did not have time to train at night at someone's tomb.
Again, I'm sure that you are aware of this.
Here is my point. I do not like kings, or lords, or royal anything. I am an American. Here, there are no classes. Anyone can get ahead based on hard work. We believe that all people are created equally. We do not discriminate based on race, color, national origin, religion, gender, sexual orientation... on a whole host of factors. We live in a democracy.
I have nothing against Okinawa's kings. But I do not glorify them either.
Sometimes I will hear people talking romantically about the feudal days in Japan. They imagine themselves as samurai or lords. I will comment that had they lived in those times, they probably would have been peasants -- like the majority of people. They would have had to toil in the fields to feed the royalty and nobility.
A person should be judged by his or her character and personal accomplishments, not on his or her bloodline. Everyone is equal in my eyes. That means that no one is lower, and no one is greater. Put another way, to me everyone is equally royal and deserving of respect.
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Everyone is aware that Karate developed in the Ryukyu Kingdom (see Names of Okinawa), a small country dominated politically and militarily by Japan and China. But it was a separate nation, with its own distinct culture.
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Throughout the course of responding to the Bayou Corne incident, Texas Brine Company's focus has been on three objectives.
Throughout the course of responding to the Bayou Corne incident, Texas Brine Company's focus has been on three objectives:
1. Ensuring sinkhole containment and determining if additional sinkholes could form that could threaten the surrounding area.
2. Locating and mitigating the risk posed by shallow gas in the aquifer.
3. Confirming the stability of the Napoleonville salt dome's western flank.
Significant progress has been made in meeting these objectives. Initial sinkhole containment is complete.
Final construction will be completed next month.
We have more than tripled the number of relief wells flaring natural gas with a total rate approximately 10 times greater than previously.
Preliminary logging results indicate the gas zone is diminishing as flaring rates decrease.
The completed vertical seismic profile survey tells us that the western flank of the Napoleonville salt dome has not changed.
We are hopeful the recently completed 3D survey will confirm this positive finding.
While we meet our response objectives, we need a scientific consensus to advise when work is complete and that the evacuation order can be safely lifted.
Therefore, we strongly support Gov. Jindal's Blue Ribbon Task Force to help guide actions and determine endpoints.
Although experts have been involved since the beginning, we hope the task force can provide the leadership and structure to define appropriate metrics based on peer-reviewed, responsible science and best practices.
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I know this is quite late to ask but I am leaving for Maine in the morning. Going to wedding in Kennebunk then on up the coast next week. Will be doing some camping and expect to get to Lubec. I expect to cross over to Campobello Island and maybe stay a night or 2. Now for the question. Should I expect any problem from customs going or coming if I have my cooler with food in it? I have heard that some foods are not permitted into Canada or the US.
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text: Evergreen campus accredited as arboretum June 20, 2014 | By Nick Alexopulos A labeled White Oak tree outside of Maryland Hall along Loyola's guided arboretum walking tour. Loyola University Maryland has been designated an accredited arboretum by the Morton Register of Arboreta for the University's dedication to nurturing and preserving dozens of tree species on the Evergreen campus. By achieving high standards of professional practices deemed important for arboreta and botanic gardens, the Loyola Arboretum is now recognized among other professional public gardens all over the world. The plan to establish an arboretum at Loyola began in 1999, and today the 80-acre Evergreen campus boasts more than 2,200 trees that represent 84 varieties. An arboretum collects, grows, and displays trees, shrubs, and other pants for people to study and enjoy, and generally is open to the public for education and inspiration. The Loyola University Maryland Arboretum is one of only 11 arboreta in the state of Maryland on the Morton Register. "Our mission is to provide a beautiful and sustainable environment for Loyola students, faculty, staff, and visitors," said Helen Schneider, associate vice president of facilities and campus services. "Maintaining the Loyola Arboretum is an opportunity to preserve the natural aesthetics of our historic campus and enhance its biodiversity." Loyola met the requirements for Level I accreditation by the Morton Register by implementing a program to care for, label, and document trees, among other criteria. The Quad at the center of the Evergreen campus features a self-guided walking tour through a mixture of mature monarch trees and trees planted over the past few decades. Thirty tree varieties on the walking tour and elsewhere on campus are currently labeled. Improvements planned for the future include labels for every tree variety and the development of a second walking tour in the area surrounding the Fitness and Aquatics Center. The additions will help the Loyola Arboretum achieve designations as a member of Tree Campus USA and Level II status with the Morton Register. More information about the Loyola Arboretum is available at loyola.edu/sustainability and arbnet.org. The Morton Register of Arboreta is a comprehensive list and database of arboreta and other public gardens that have a substantial focus on woody plants. The purpose of the Morton Register is to identify all of the organizations that collect and display trees, shrubs, and other woody plants for the benefit of the public, science, and conservation. The Morton Register, ArbNet, and the Accreditation Program are coordinated by the Morton Arboretum as an international initiative to support the work of arboreta in saving and planting trees.


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During a recent girls� weekend in Topsail Beach, Kate Combs and her friends spied a wholly unexpected beachgoer.
During a recent girls� weekend in Topsail Beach, Kate Combs and her friends spied a wholly unexpected beachgoer.
�On Sunday morning at about 8 a.m., most of us were sleeping, but one girl came in screaming that there was a whale outside,� said Combs, who lives in Hampstead. �So we all got up and ran outside.�
Clustered outside the beach house, Combs and her friends were able to spot the whale�s spout and its tail as it swam past, about 100 yards offshore.
�It was really close, and it was huge,� she said. �All we could really see was its tail, and its tail was enormous.
�It was really cool.�
Seeing a whale up-close in its natural environment can feel like a once-in-a-lifetime experience. But during the next few months, residents and visitors to the North Carolina coast may have multiple opportunities to spot one.
�We know that on any given day from basically November through March and April, we could have right and humpback whales off our coast,� said Ann Pabst, a marine biologist at the University of North Carolina Wilmington, as well as the co-director of the university�s marine mammal stranding program. �We do not have a sense of how many are offshore right now, but we do know that this is an important time when whales are moving through our waters.�
Neither humpback nor right whales live in North Carolina waters on a consistent basis. Both species are migratory, spending their summers in cooler, northern-hemisphere waters and then travelling to warmer, subtropical seas, where they mate, calve and spend the winter.
That travel cycle places the giant mammals � particularly the North Atlantic right whale � near beaches throughout the region for roughly five months out of the year, according to Barb Zoodsma, the southeast right whale recovery program coordinator for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Fisheries.
�Our understanding was that right whales migrated in the fall and migrated back up in the spring, but now we�re learning that right whales may stay along the coast, and move past the coast, throughout the winter,� she said. �You can expect to see them through April.�
Though both species may be nearby during the same time period, humpback and right whales are fairly easy to tell apart.
Humpback whales, Pabst said, can be identified by their long, white fore-flippers, while right whales are characterized by V-shaped water spouts, broad, flat backs and lumpy patterns on their heads, known as callosities.
Each species has been spotted off nearby beaches in recent weeks. Humpback whales have been confirmed in the waters near Topsail Beach, and right whales have been seen swimming past Wrightsville Beach.
Both right and humpback whales are endangered, making it illegal to be within 500 yards � or 1,500 feet � of either. The right whale is one of the most critically endangered whales in the world, with NOAA estimating the global population at around 400. The slow-moving mammal is particularly vulnerable to ship strikes, prompting NOAA to partner with the Coast Guard in a project known as Operation Right Speed, a five-month period during which vessels of a certain size are required to cruise more slowly.
From Nov. 1 to April 30, �regulations require vessels 65 feet (long) or greater to operate at speeds 10 knots or less in designated right whale migration routes and calving grounds,� according to the Coast Guard.
Those designated routes bubble along sections of the East Coast, including a particularly large corridor that extends from Wilmington past Savannah, Ga.
The speed reduction regulations, in effect since December 2008, are a protective measure, designed to give both whales and ship operators more time to notice and avoid each other � especially around the entrances to deepwater ports, like Wilmington and Morehead City. Because right whales have no dorsal fin and swim close to the surface of the water, they can be particularly difficult to spot, Zoodsma said.
�Many assume that due to their size right whales would be easy to see,� she said. �But just a slight difference in the texture on the water�s surface is often the only clue that a whale is present.�
Right whale
� Large, rotund and black, with large heads and no dorsal fins.
� Characterized by lumpy white growths on their heads, known as callosities.
� Can grow up to 53 feet in length and weigh up to 80 tons.
� Most critically endangered whale in the world, with global population estimates of around 400.
Humpback whale
� Dark grey, with a variable amount of white on fins and belly.
� Characterized by large, white fore-flippers.
� Can grow up to 60 feet long; females are larger than males.
� Males sing complex songs that can last for 20 minutes and can be heard up to 20 miles away.
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New Brunswick, N.J.- Helping students discover and embrace a world of scientific discovery is not just a job to Sunita Chaudhary, PhD; it is a personal mission. And because of her dedication, Chaudhary, the director of research education at The Cancer Institute of New Jersey (CINJ) is being honored by the Office for Diversity and Academic Success in the Sciences (ODASIS) at Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey. CINJ is a Center of Excellence of UMDNJ-Robert Wood Johnson Medical School.
Through the Continuing Umbrella for Research Experience – or CURE – Program at CINJ, Dr. Chaudhary each year helps mentor 12 underserved high school and undergraduate students through a two-year program in which they attend course lectures on cancer biology and conduct hands-on work in the laboratory with CINJ clinical and basic science researchers. The program was started in 2003 with grants from the National Cancer Institute (NCI) and Johnson & Johnson. CURE is one of many programs offered through ODASIS to aid students in pursuing careers in the field of health and other sciences.
According to Chaudhary, approximately 20 students have completed the CURE program as undergrads, and nearly all went on to attend medical school, an accomplishment of which she is extremely proud. "It is a privilege to have the opportunity to support and shape the professional development of young minds. Watching them change from self-conscious high school kids to undergraduate students and from undergraduates to medical students is extremely fulfilling," said the South Brunswick resident. "I feel honored to receive an award for something that I truly enjoy doing. Most importantly this award is recognition of the effort that CINJ faculty mentors put into the research training of the CURE students."
CINJ Deputy Director Edmund Lattime, PhD, who is also the associate director for education and training at CINJ and a professor of surgery at UMDNJ-Robert Wood Johnson Medical School, says Chaudhary's work with these students greatly enhances one of CINJ's core pillars, which is education. "Dr. Chaudhary's guidance and influence not only results in the development of future doctors and scientists, but also in a number of these students coming back to New Jersey after their formal training to engage in occupations in these fields, which is a great benefit to our state," he said.
Chaudhary, who received the honor at the ODASIS Fall Orientation event this past week, has been with CINJ for nearly eight years.
About The Cancer Institute of New Jersey
The Cancer Institute of New Jersey (www.cinj.org) is the state's first and only National Cancer Institute-designated Comprehensive Cancer Center dedicated to improving the detection, treatment and care of patients with cancer, and serving as an education resource for cancer prevention. CINJ's physician-scientists engage in translational research, transforming their laboratory discoveries into clinical practice, quite literally bringing research to life. To make a tax-deductible gift to support CINJ, call 732-235-8614 or visit www.cinjfoundation.org. CINJ is a Center of Excellence of UMDNJ-Robert Wood Johnson Medical School.
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Joni Mitchell's lilting anthem "Both Sides Now" was a top-10 hit for folk singer Judy Collins in the 1960s. Mitchell was herself an aspiring folk-pop singer, and in 1970 she had her own hit single with "Big Yellow Taxi." Later singles like 1972's "You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio," established her as a complex and highly-regarded musician, beloved for her poetically personal lyrics and go-your-own-way attitude. Mitchell's albums include Ladies of the Canyon (1970, including the classic "The Circle Game"), Court and Spark (1974, including the single "Free Man in Paris"), Blue (1971), Mingus (1979) and Wild Things Run Fast (1982). She has been cited as an important influence on artists such as Sarah McLachlan and Tori Amos. Mitchell was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1997 and was given a Grammy for lifetime achievement in 2002.
Mitchell's tune "Woodstock" has been covered many times, most famously by Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young… She is an accomplished artist who has done the cover art for many of her own albums; she also did the colorful sketch on the front of CSNY's 1974 album So Far… Former "first daughter" Chelsea Clinton was reportedly named for Mitchell's tune "Chelsea Morning."
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SHOPLIFTING FROM AMERICAN APPAREL is getting ready to be shot very shortly. Right now we've raised about 7K of the 10K we need. That means we still need help to get to our final goal on IndieGoGo. If you haven't made a donation, viewed the updated trailer, or passed on the link to fellow indie film lovers, we need your help.
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Take a look at our trailer, order an advanced DVD or tee shirt, or share the following trailer link (here or directly below) on your Facebook page, Tumblr, etc. Any type of word of mouth from you will make a huge difference in bringing the film it into being.
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Someone said you might need actors in Hollywood? When will that be?
We might need extras and some speaking roles for a shoot on May 16th. We're still working out details, but audition notices will be posted on the Sangha Films website and on the AMDA bulletin board.
What is the latest with THE HUMAN WAR?
We placed third in the Appalachia Film Festival. Right now Mark Parsia is currently putting the film through a second edit, and we will hit the film festival circuit in full force once we have a polished film.
Here is the trailer for THE HUMAN WAR.
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Panoramic roof...or not so much...
Even if you never open the sunroof for fresh air, it would provide extra light and the interior feels bigger (plus the extra 2" head room).
I hardly open my sunroof but the extra light really brighten my driving experience. I drove a loaner without the pano roof for a week and it just felt stuffy in the car.
If you get a chance to test drive or sit in both versions of a car in a service center or showroom parking lot, you'll feek the difference.
I got the pano roof because it is gorgeous. I also got it because I occasionally like to be able to let the sun stream in.
Heat - hotter than I expected in the car after a few hours in the sun - not nearly as hot as other cars that I have owned, but still uncomfortably warm upon entry. I have gotten in the habit (relative - only owned Maggie for 8 days now) to use the application vent settings combined with climate control (A/C) about 30 minutes before I go back to the car.
Glare - haven't noticed any issues at all.
Hope that helps - happy decision making - great car.
Aside a personal preference, I think that with a pano roof, you get more head room and an awesome sun roof. Even if there is no shade, the pano roof blocks 98% heat and light. If you do not live inland with high temperture, I do not think that there is any big difference whether you have the pano roof or not in terms of the light and heat. I love my pano roof.
I test drove on Friday, ordered an Inventory car.
About the Pano: I was skeptical. I usually don't care for "moon" roofs. I feel they're hot and glary.
NOT the Pano. No glare. No hear. Amazing.
I sat the in the back seat, and put my hand up near the Pano, felt no radiant heat. Then, I moved my hand back, where the sun was shining in through the rear window. LOTS of heat! What a difference! The test drive Tesla guy saw what I was doing, and did the same thing with the Pano and front windshield. He said he could really tell the difference, too! And he would add that to his "demonstration".
I'm 6' 1 1/2". No issue with headroom in the front. In the back, I still had no issue, but I could tell if I sat "tall", my hair would touch the ceiling. Plenty of knee room. I usually push the front seat all the way back. Then I sat in the rear. No problem.
My Model S is being shipped in from Denver.
There are a number of treads on this. People from AZ to CA to FL all say the pano adds little/no heat. I have had mine through the summer in MD (90s on many days) and have had no issues.
Check out volkerize.com to search this forum on previous discussions.
What @elguapo said. I use the pano more than on any of my other cars--I have the sunroof control on my right thumbwheel.
You really owe it to yourself to sit in cars with and without the pano roof, both front and back seats before making a decision to order it or not.
In normal seating posture the rear seat headroom is very tight to restrictive without the pano roof for many adults. This is much improved with the pano roof.
IMO increased rear seat headroom is the pano roof's primary benefit with its secondary benefit being increased airiness, light and feel of roominess.
Living in Hawaii I've never had an issue with heat or glare. I almost never open mine and consider it the most valuable option on my car.
If you are driving at low speeds, like through a suburban neighborhood, driving with the sunroof open accentuates the lack of noise of the motor. It makes it feel like you are sailing or coasting on a bicycle. Above 35 and the road and windnoise nullify the effect. But I open my sunroof as much as possible in when I'm driving at lower speeds.
One more opinion. Live in Sunnyvale. lots of sun, but not too hot. Have had mine just over 7 months now with pano roof. It's nice to look at but if I were to do it again, would not get it. too hot, in my opinion. lots of wind noise above 70mph (this maybe a problem with my specific car).
I had one car before with a small, non-pano sun roof and never used it. The Model pano is a different animal altogether. It is so large, the opening is not much different from a two-seat convertible with a hard top and the feel in the front seat is similar. Even with the roof closed I feel there are significant advantages to having it as some have already mentioned.
I live in South Florida and there is added heat intrusion but not a ton. I got the light leather to offset the affects and it is mire comfortable to enter after being in the sun than black leather with no pano. If you can remember to do what Madbuns does ahead of time by venting and remote starting the AC, will be significantly cooler. Even if you just vent the roof 5 minutes it would also be cooler than most cars with a solid roof on entry.
Hopefully Tesla will add the sunscreens at some point that they previously promised and it will be even better.
Before ordering my P85, I had been driving convertibles since 2000. It's hot in Florida, but I've always loved the open top. Pano roof was the best I could do! My p85 is being delivered Tuesday. Looking forward to lots of roof open driving!
Absolutely I'd go with the sunroof. I also live in San Diego and this weather here is PERFECT for it. If it's too warm or too much light comes through just tint it. I did that and it totally solved my problems with heat and light.
The only potential downside is that they have had some issues with some sunroofs with noise and also on mine I had the seal melting and leaking this black butyl goo but Tesla said they will fix it. My car is in the shop now while they fix some things.
But I'd definitely go with the sunroof.
I live in LA, I skipped the option. I don't like the glare of the sun, I prefer to drive while sitting in the shade! One less thing to break and I saved some money.
@ runonmd - I used Mr. Tint Window Tinting who the San Diego Tesla group uses. They have a few different locations. I went to the Escondido location. They have a special deal with the group. I did the entire car for $560 which was a discounted price.
That included both sunroofs, the windshield and all the windows around the car. They did a good job and it definitely cuts down on the heat and light.
I think for San Diego, you really have to go with the sunroof and I think if you don't get it you will later regret it.
The various companies all have a warranty so I wouldn't worry about bubbling, cracking, etc.
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I have the Pano roof and did notice the heat in 85-90 degree sun. Just got PhotoSync tint on side windows and back (not pano) and heat has pretty much disappeared. Only heat I can feel now comes through the front windshield, not the roof (I may go back and get the front done w a light tint). Definitely not needed on Pano roof in my opinion. And no glare whatsoever.
Yep. When I got the car, we had a hot week and temperatures got up to 100 degrees inland. I could definitely feel the heat, even through the sunroof. Also, doing the front windshield I could feel a big difference. That's a huge source of light and heat and with the 70 on the front windshield it has helped.
I didn't get any color distortion and from what I understand it's perfectly legal so it kind of was a no brainer to me.
I have a car without the Pano roof and with a white interior. I got a loaner with a Pano roof and a black interior on a sunny weekend in the Pacific NW. The loaner with Pano roof and black interior was much warmer and the AC had to work much harder to keep up.
@ Captain Zap. Yep. I totally agree with you. I think the people that try to claim that the heat and light is nothing are exaggerating. Plus, with every other car I've bought before I have gotten a sunroof but I don't want a sunroof just to let the sun shine in when I don't want it. Virtually every other car out there has a shade to block the sun when you don't want it.
When I want some sun I'll open the sunroof but other times it was annoying before I got the top tinted. I also think that they definitely should be making an automatic shade for the sunroof. Or worst case scenario a manual one you can pull.
But with the tinting, it's not a problem anymore.
Sorry to disagree with some posters. Have had my Model S for a little over 2 weeks and absolutely love everything....except for the barrier offered by the panoramic roof. :-(
I live in Northern CA, and even if mostly sunny and mostly warm, the roof does not block enough heat. Maybe the problem is with my head (little hair there) but my scalp feels burning to the touch. No idea about UV; they say 90% block but have no way of testing. I wear a hat in the car most of the time; way too uncomfortable otherwise.
I contacted Tesla, but they could not offer any solution. Only solution they suggested is to come to the forums and see what people are recommending in terms of after-market tinting.
I feel this should be Tesla's responsibility to correct or to pay for the tinting. Anyone has had this experience? How did you resolve it?
Sorry to disagree with some posters. Have had my Model S for a little over 2 weeks and absolutely love everything....except for the barrier offered by the panoramic roof. :-(
I live in Northern CA, and even if mostly sunny and mostly warm, the roof does not block enough heat. Maybe the problem is with my head (little hair there) but my scalp feels burning to the touch. No idea about UV; they say 90% block but have no way of testing. I wear a hat in the car most of the time; way too uncomfortable otherwise.
I contacted Tesla, but they could not offer any solution. Only solution they suggested is to come to the forums and see what people are recommending in terms of after-market tinting.
I feel this should be Tesla's responsibility to correct or to pay for the tinting. Anyone has had this experience? How did you resolve it?
My E550 has a pano roof and my Model S that I will buy once it is available with AWD will also have a Pano roof. After you get used to it, it feels like you are in a cave when I'm in a car with a regular sunroof.
Especially when paired with a lighter interior the Pano Roof makes the car feel a lot more spacious and inviting for me.
@DAVIDD8000 Please explain why it is Tesla's fault that you're going bald.
i didn't order the pano.. because i've almost never used the sunroof/moonroof in my other cars. without a pullover board like in other cars, it's glass or nothing.. i opted for the cheaper and "safer" choice - i can live w/o pano.. but if it was too hot i'd have no remedy.
to each his own though.. i'm perfectly happy driving in my "cave"
Its the only option I wish I hadn't ordered. The roof has made noise since I got the car. They have "fixed" it 3 times now but the noise always returns in a couple of months. I almost never open it. It is nice to have the extra feel of space but it isn't worth the noise it creates.
Has anyone noticed that the sunroof rattles a bit when open?
Mine delivered in March is quite and no rattles at all when open. I don't open the pano roof when driving 80mph on the freeway of course. It got more compliment from passengers than anything else. Everyone says how nice the open sky look is although I don't usually look up the sky when I drive. From outside it just make the great MS look complete, especially my pearl white, imo.
As for the heat I have no problem at all. I got all windows and windshield PhotoSync tinted. The car with black interior was not hot at all after sitting in the 90+ degree sun the last few days. I did not tint the pano roof since many people say it's not necessary. Windshield is a much bigger culprit.
Anyone has any recommendation for tinting in Chicago area?
My car was delived on 1/2/13 and have absolutely loved my pano roof, and open it a lot in Washington State, but only open to 80% to keep the vibration down. With full opening of pano, there is quite a vibration above 35 mph. No problems with my pano over last 16+ months.
To cut down on the buffering/vibration, put down the side windows.
The interior experience is TOTALLY different when you have the panoramic roof.
1- Light
2- Head room
3- The ability to install roof racks
4- Resale value (I wouldn't buy a used Tesla without a panoramic roof; I personally didn't go with a really nice, fairly used, S85 because it didn't have a panoramic roof; it felt really dark).
RESULT: You will enjoy it every day.
1- It might "introduce" issues (leak, doesn't function properly).
RESULT: You "might" visit the SC once on average due to an issue with the panoramic roof. I know I did, but I would still go with it no matter what.
@Khalid, I'm surprised at you listing resale value as a "pro". Old sunroofs leak. I would consider that a "con" for resale value, since older used cars would be getting into that age when they will have problems with the seal and leaks and noise. As you mentioned as a "con", sunroofs are susceptible to problems that solid roofs just don't have, but I think it would be pretty clear that those problems are lesser when a car is new, and much more when a car is older.
I live in Scottsdale- ordered the car last month and due to the potential heat issues here and the fact that I never open a sunroof or a moon roof in any car that I have owned, I did not get the Pano roof. However after sitting in the cars (one with a pano roof and one with out a roof ) I changed my mind. I changed my order to include the pano roof.
Im 6'4" and while I never plan on sitting in the back of the car, there is significantly more room in the car with the pano roof. More importantly as others have stated, without the pano roof, the car feels a bit cramped- a bit stuffy. Much more roomy with the pano roof in place.
If should the roof leak, like all cars with factory sunroofs, there are drains going down the A-pillar (windshield) Another benefit to an all galss roof......less to wax :-)
@J.T, I hope the question was just trying to be funny and not serious. In case it was a serious one, no I am not blaming Tesla for my loss of natural scalp protection. What I am saying is that Tesla claimed very high block of heat and UV and that is not what's been delivered. The pano roof is gorgeous, but the glass is not as protective as claimed.
Hahaha true! and easier to wash with ONR since you don't have to change towels more ofter for swirl marks.
@DAVIDD8000 Well, 1/2 and 1/2. Yours is the first post I've read complaining about the level of tint on the pano. So, I have to think that you are particularly sensitive to the sun's effects.
My eyes are very sensitive to the bright sunshine yet I find the protection afforded by the tint on the pano to be more than adequate. I've done the side and rear windows with Crystalline and I am perfectly comfortable in the brightest sunshine.
In Colorado, where we have much less atmosphere blocking the sun, I still do not ever feel even the slightest bit warmer under the pano than I do on parts that are shaded. I did drive a loaner with the black leather interior and it was quite a bit warmer inside at all times. I prefer the tan leather 100%.
On the noise issues, my car has had an annoying seal issue with the pano since I got it, but a month or two ago they released a new service bulletin to replace the plastic exterior panel in front of the sunroof panel. Once that got installed, I have not had any noise issues, either open or closed. The extra 2mm that they raised the rear side of that panel made all the difference in the world. Now the seal stays in place, and I hear no wind noise from the pano all the way up to 85mph.
No hole in the roof here and quite happy about that. No leaks, creaks, groans, etc. I do have the Black roof option that goes great with my Green. I don't miss the hole at all, glad I did not get it. Perfectly happy to sit in my "cave" and drive.
There is one thing holding me back from purchasing the Model S - the panoramic moon/sun roof. I live in hot, sunny Southern CA. After test driving the car a few times, it does get hot on the top of my head! My entire family of four also complained and wondered why we can't have the option of closing it. Why can't I have the option of closing the moon/sun roof? I want the panoramic moon roof as it's beautiful, but I also want the option of closing it completely so the top of my head doesn't bake in the Southern CA sun. I don't want to get the hard top Model S, but if a design change can't be done, I may have to wait longer for another choice.
@cassiopiea I have a panoramic roof, and I don't have hair on top of my head; I haven't noticed a problem even with the strong Florida sun. I ordered the panoramic roof for the possible roof rack and the head room, I hardly ever open it.
Go to the Tesla accessories page and check out the
Tesla offers a screen/shade for the pano roof now. I had a MS60 w/o and will take delivery of a P85D with next week. Always had a convertible as summer car but sold the TBird when i gat the S on the theory I would only want to drive the S!-I was right. i live in Seattle so no real heat issues. Am getting the screen/shade to have just in case
It's fantastic, just get it. I want my kids to look up to the sky through that and windows NOT ipads....
I never understood why people buy convertibles, paying the $10,000 to $15,000 premium over the hard top vehicle, then drive the around Southern California on sunny days with the top up.
I asked my manager about this, regarding his Mercedes-Benz something-or-other-SL a couple of decades ago... He said that he got sunburn if he put the top down, unless he wore a hat. He didn't want to wear a hat with the top down. So he only put the top down on overcast days.
I still don't understand it. Dude. You bought a convertible, knowing you were bald and could get sunburn, so you could drive it with the the top up?
"I'm not bald... You're bald! I'm shaved. Shaved is better." -- Michael Wilbon to Tony Kornheiser, ESPN
people are not logical. Case in point.
I'm surprised at you listing resale value as a "pro". Old sunroofs leak.
Why is that? The moonroof of my 98' Honda Prelude was still air/water tight until it was totalled in 13'. It definitely would command a higher price should I decide to sell it before that.


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It doesn't pay to always take a photograph at face value. Certainly, they are a valuable resource in the quest to find out more about the past. But sometimes, putting a photograph over and above documented evidence creates a series of errors.
In 1989, the Mt Eden Borough Council commissioned author Faye M Angelo to put together a book on the area, The Changing Face of Mt Eden. In it, a photo was included, showing Cucksey's Corner, on the corner Stokes and Mt Eden Roads. The original wooden Cucksey's Building is shown, with "Est. 1873" inscribed above the wrap-around verandah.
In 1989, the Mt Eden Borough Council commissioned author Faye M Angelo to put together a book on the area, The Changing Face of Mt Eden. In it, a photo was included, showing Cucksey's Corner, on the corner Stokes and Mt Eden Roads. The original wooden Cucksey's Building is shown, with "Est. 1873" inscribed above the wrap-around verandah.
Ref 7-A4322, Sir George Grey Special Collection, Auckland Library
Angelo went with that as the date for the building; so did the researcher who compiled the Mt Eden/Maungawhau Heritage Walks brochure early last decade, an error repeated in the latest reprint, and this year repeated again in the journal Prospect, produced by the Epsom & Eden Districts Historical Society. All done in good faith – except that it is wrong.
Another example of the "Established date" thing can be found clearly across the façade of Millar Patterson Metals Brasscraft Ltd on Halsey Road, just opposite Victoria Park. That declares "Established 1903", when actually 1903 is when the business began close to Britomart Place, whereas John Stewart Millar began leasing the Halsey Street site from 1919-1920.
This isn't to say all dates on buildings are wrong. It just pays to check, before rushing into print and spreading the error further.
As for Alfred Cucksey and his buildings …
On 27 September 1867, the clipper ship Siam docked at Queen Street Wharf, after a voyage of 105 days from England. Aboard was Alfred Cucksey (NZ Herald 28 September 1867), brother of Henry Cucksey, well-known "Instrument Music Seller and Publisher" of 202 Queen Street, well-known at the time for his Cucksey's Music Saloon, "established 1863". (Ad, Southern Cross, 21 October 1863) Henry himself had been in business 13 years in London before he arrived in Auckland, taking over "Mr Webb's Royal Harmonium and Pianoforte Saloon" in Queen Street, (SC 21 October 1863) while Alfred later boasted 10 years' experience before arriving in New Zealand "in the London trade". (Ad, Auckland Star 5 March 1874) Henry and Alfred's father was James Cucksey, who later died in Kent, England, in 1870 aged 64.
Henry's wife first wife Eliza died in October 1867 and was buried at Symonds Street cemetery together with an infant child. Henry remarried, to Annie H Irwin, in 1870. (Annie may have already been a widow. In 1890, she was applying for assistance from two grown sons by the surname of Irwin – Star 8 Feb 1890) In 1873, Henry Cucksey became part of a "Political League" in the city (NZH 24 February 1873), after a number of years of on-again, off-again reports as to him running for office, either on the City Council, or the fading Provincial Council. Later that year, he shifted from Queen Street to the junction of Queen and Wakefield Streets.
By April 1868, Alfred Cucksey was being praised by the newspapers for his doormats made from flax fibre, on display at an ironmongers' store in Shortland Street, and at Alfred Cucksey's first store at 138 Queen Street. (SC & NZH 27 April 1868) Around this time, Henry Cucksey was living in Nelson Street, where some items were stolen from his house. (SC 14 January 1868)
Alfred Cucksey married Margaret Catherine Williams in 1870. In 1871, Alfred was living in Nelson Street, where a daughter was born 16 December. Between 1868 and 1873, Alfred apparently spent time at Thames. A report in the Grey River Argus at the time may have erroneously named his brother, when in fact it was more likely Alfred's discovery.
It is reported that Mr Cucksey, the music-seller in Auckland, has made an important discovery in respect to saving gold by a new method of treating tailings. The new plan is said to be most effectual in saving the finest gold in the smallest quantity. Mr Cucksey is about to apply for a patent so as to secure some benefit from his discovery. (24 Feb 1873)
Whatever happened, Alfred clearly returned to his flax after that. In June 1873, at the opening of the Auckland Markets on the Market Reserve (present day Aotea Square), Alfred exhibited his flax working as a local industry, (NZH 19 June 1873) winning first prize for his flax mat at that exhibition, and at the New Zealand Agricultural Society's Show in November that year. (SC 20 November 1873) In March 1874, he took over a grocery and provision store in Wakefield Street. (Ad, Auckland Star 5 March 1874) His brother Henry had returned to England in 1875 – and by 1879 was producing "Cucksey's Miraculous Mixture," a "Celebrated Conqueror of Bronchitis, Diphtheria, Neuralgia, Headaches, Sore Throats, and All Diseases of the Throat." In Auckland Alfred served as an agent for the medicine, selling his brother's mixture from the Wakefield Street store. (Ad Star 15 November 1879)
On 29 March 1881, Alfred purchased Lot 4 of 11 of Section 6, Suburbs of Auckland, at the corner Stokes and Mt Eden Road, from John Batger. (Deeds Index 2A.1311) In mid April, he advertised for tenders "for the Erection of Shop and Dwelling House at Mount Eden." (Star 13 April 1881). In July that year, he advertised his Wakefield store for lease, with immediate possession, (NZH 26 July 1881) and by August 1881, he had moved his business to the new store in Mt Eden.
Alfred Cucksey begs to inform his numerous friends that he has Removed from Wakefield-street to his New Store on the Mount Eden Road, near Smith's Stables. All Goods at town prices. First-class articles guaranteed. Families waited on daily. Agent for the Mount Eden Railway Station Coal and Firewood Depot. (Ad, Star 6 August 1881)
So, yes -- clearly the 1873 date on the photograph referred to when Alfred Cucksey established his business (in the central city), rather than had the first wooden store built at Mt Eden.
By 1884, Cucksey's Mt Eden store became known as the Post Office Store, when Cucksey advertised for boys to run messages. (Ad, Star, 10 May 1884) However, this appears to have been a bit premature. In November 1885, Cucksey led the local community campaign to have a telephone bureau established at his store for public use, a campaign that proved successful when the bureau was set up at his store in June, with the expectation that a post and money order office would be set up soon after. (NZH 14 June 1886)
By 1884, Cucksey's Mt Eden store became known as the Post Office Store, when Cucksey advertised for boys to run messages. (Ad, Star, 10 May 1884) However, this appears to have been a bit premature. In November 1885, Cucksey led the local community campaign to have a telephone bureau established at his store for public use, a campaign that proved successful when the bureau was set up at his store in June, with the expectation that a post and money order office would be set up soon after. (NZH 14 June 1886)
In June 1901, Catherine Margaret Cucksey died. In 1905, a permit application was approved by Mt Eden Borough Council for Cucksey to build "5 new shops" on his site, and these would likely have been completed by c.1906. "Mr A Cucksey's Block of 5 new shops, corner Mt Eden & Stokes Road, area 132' X 132' (4 lengths). Builder Mr. W Firth, Architect Mr Jno. M Walker. Contract £2830." (MEB 128/1, Auckland Council Archives) This is the Cucksey's Building we see today.
Alfred Cucksey married his second wife, Charlotte Eleanor Nayler Smith in 1919. He wasn't able to enjoy renewed married bliss for long, however; he died at his home, "Ravensbourne," next to his Cucksey's Buildings, on Mt Eden Road, 5 September 1922.
An old and respected resident of Auckland, Mr Alfred Cucksey, died at the Public Hospital yesterday morning, in his 79th year. Mr Cucksey was born in Greenwich, England, in 1843, and came to Auckland at the age of 23. Shortly afterwards he spent some time on the Thames goldfield, and on returning to Auckland went into business as a grocer in Wakefield Street. In 1880 Mr Cucksey went to Mount Eden and established the business that resulted in its location being known far and wide as "Cucksey's Corner." Mr Cucksey, who was known in the district as "the father of Mount Eden," retired from active life 14 years ago. He had not been in the best of health for some time prior to his death. He is survived by Mrs Cucksey, one son, and several grand-children. The interment will take place at Purewa cemetery this afternoon. (NZH 6 September 1922)


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(Reuters) - Coca-Cola Co took the unusual step of shooting down a report on Monday that said it was in talks to buy energy drink maker Monster Beverage Corp, valued at more than $11 billion.
The statement from the world's largest soft drink maker came in response to a story in the Wall Street Journal that said Coke was in discussions to buy the fast growing energy drink maker, whose brands include Monster Energy and Java Monster.
Coke and Monster had discussed a possible deal as recently as last year, according to two sources familiar with the matter. However, it is unclear whether the two have been in talks since then.
The Journal's report that the two companies were in current talks, posted on its website Monday, sent Monster's stock up 28 percent to $83.96, an all-time high. Coke later issued a statement disputing the report, and Monster stock fell, closing down 1 percent.
"At this time, we are not in discussions to acquire the Monster Beverage Corp," Coke said in its statement. "We continue to review the best ways to maximize the value of our relationship."
Should it happen, an acquisition would give Coke a bigger footprint in the energy drink market, which is growing faster than traditional soft drinks. Coke's own energy drink, Full Throttle, is small compared with Monster and rivals Red Bull and Rockstar.
"We think Monster is an attractive takeout candidate given it is the fastest-growing brand in one of the fastest-growing global beverage categories," said Stifel Nicolaus analyst Mark Astrachan.
UBS analyst Kaumil Gajrawala estimated a fair takeout offer for Monster would range from $84 to $100 per share. Based on the number of shares outstanding as of February 24, that multiple implies a deal value ranging from $14.6 billion to $17.4 billion.
Coke already distributes a large portion of Monster's drinks in the United States and in some international markets. Monster has a similar distribution deal with Anheuser-Busch InBev.
In its statement, Coke said the two companies were looking at ways to wring more profit out of their existing relationship. That could include placing Monster in more retail locations, doing additional co-marketing with other Coke brands, or working together to market new products, according to Ken Harris, chief executive of Kantar Retail Americas Consulting.
However, the dueling statements on a possible acquisition left some doubt about whether a deal might be in the works.
Following Coke's denial of acquisition talks, the Wall Street Journal updated its story to say the companies had been in talks recently and that Coke pulled out after the Journal report was published.
A Coke spokesman denied that claim.
A Monster spokeswoman said the company does not comment on market speculation.
Monster Beverage, earlier known as Hansen Natural, was taken public by current CEO Rodney Sacks in 1992. Sacks, now in his 60s, still has a 7.3 percent stake in the company, according to Thomson Reuters data.
Speculation about whether Coca-Cola would buy Monster has surfaced in the past due to Monster's growth, the companies' distribution relationship, and the fact that Coke does not have a very strong-selling energy drink.
Last year, Monster's sales rose by nearly a third to $1.70 billion. Sales are seen rising a further 21 percent this year.
For Monster, getting bought by Coca-Cola would greatly expand its presence, since it would have access to Coke's sizable international distribution system. For Coke, buying Monster would give it the full profit stream from the product.
Analysts have said buying Monster would give Coke a good brand in North America, where sales of traditional soft drinks have been weak, as well as a good product to sell overseas.
Monster's shares nearly doubled over the past year. As of Friday's close, the company's market capitalization was about $11.4 billion based on the latest number of share outstanding.
Monster shares closed down 0.8 percent at $65. Coke shares closed down 0.4 percent at $76.32 on the New York Stock Exchange.
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By MARK PATTON, NEWS-PRESS SENIOR WRITER
Kirsten Tilleman does all the dirty work for the UCSB women's basketball team, but trash talk might as well be a foreign language.
The Gauchos' resident genius is more likely to baffle you about something environmentally scientific.
"A lot of times in our conversations, all I can say to her is, 'Yeah? Wow! Really?'" UCSB coach Carlene Mitchell said. "I use a lot of wows when I talk to her."
She said director of athletics Mark Massari put it another way: "She sucks the brain right out of me."
Tilleman, only 21, is already a masters candidate in environmental science and management even though she's still in only her junior year of college basketball.
She transfered from Oregon State to UCSB this year for academic reasons, although she does consider basketball an important extra-curricular activity. She'll lead the Gauchos into today's 3 p.m. game at Cal State Fullerton.
"UCSB's Bren School was a program that my thesis mentor back at OSU actually suggested," Tilleman said. "I really liked it when I looked more into it, and it was a win-win because the basketball program here has such a history of excellence."
Tilleman has been helping Mitchell write a new chapter, leading the Gauchos with a rebound average of 8.3 per game — fourth best in the Big West Conference — and field-goal percentage of .529. But it's her penchant for taking charges, diving for loose balls and setting hard screens that has caught the attention of both coaches and trainers alike.
She wears her many bruises like badges of courage.
"People comment on that a lot," Tilleman said with shrug. "I guess my thought is I am OK with putting myself in the position to take a hit whether it's for a charge or to batter around those bigger players if it means I'm going to help contribute to the team.
"I'll put myself out there and do what I can."
When Mitchell took the job at UCSB, she asked an acquaintance what she knew about Tilleman.
"The quote I got was, 'She'll run through a wall for you,'" she said.
And without a crash helmet. Tilleman has even resisted her coach's suggestions of wearing arm sleeves or knee pads.
"She takes pride in being a warrior," Mitchell said. "She's proud of her blacks and blues. To her, those are signs of toughness."
As an undersized post player, the 6-foot-1 Tilleman has had to get by on attitude and intelligence, anyway. She pulled down 7.5 rebounds per game among the trees of the Pac-10 during her sophomore season at Oregon State.
"Her basketball IQ, and her willingness to do all the little things, are what's allowed her to find time on the floor," Mitchell said. "All you have to do is tell her something once and she gets it.
"Some players will have to make a mistake three times before that happens, but she takes information and can make her adjustments on the fly."
Tilleman's decision to adjust her place of study was also a matter of environmental science: Oregon State was no longer a nurturing habitat.
"There are different dynamics for everything, and how they piece together, and the main issue I had with Oregon State's program — and not with this year's coach, he's great, but the woman I played for — was just how she approached people," Tilleman said. "It was very manipulative and not an environment that people could really thrive in.
"We had a lot of talent but we were not able to reach our full potential as players and as a team because we were, essentially, playing against our own coach."
Tilleman, one of eight Beavers who wound up transferring, has found a different environment at UCSB.
"I'm really excited about coach Mitch because she pushes us hard, she knows her stuff, she really emphasizes defense ... but she is also very encouraging," she said. "She's someone I want to play for.
"She can even crack a joke every once in awhile."
Tilleman, who won Montana's Gatorade High School Player of the Year honor in both basketball and soccer, is a product of her environment. She even wrote a thesis about it entitled: "Our Natural Family: A Study Of How Young Children Connect With Nature."
"We spent years outdoors, just playing in the summer, and skiing and building snow forts in the winter, and that really fostered this connection with the natural world and me," she said. "My mother is also a preschool teacher and so it was always part of our understanding that a lasting education starts young, and it doesn't necessarily mean you sit down and you have those textbooks, but just start ..."
She could tell that she was losing me with the way I kept saying "Yeah ... wow... really?" and so Tilleman took a different tact.
"Rachel Carson has this wonderful quote that I love," she began. "It's about how the early childhood years are the times you start preparing the soil for the seeds that you will plant for knowledge and wisdom in the future."
It's the dirty work Tilleman relishes every time she takes the court.
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8th ave wrote:Dam, man... Anyone still think David Lee isn't expendable?
Everybody not named Curry is expendable at this point. I believe that because we could replace most everyone else with various combinations that would be about the same level. There is no replacing Curry.
That isn't the question that people are just now starting to work up the courage to ask… Are we better without Lee? That's the question right now.
Nope. Bogut missed a lot of PT and this is his longest stretch. His contributions have made up for Lee's absence, but if we had Lee, we'd be that much better. The rest of the team has really stepped up too, but that's what good team do. Ask this question again if we find ourselves advancing and getting torn new ones by Zack Randolph.
So is Lee expendable? Yeah. Would we be up 2-0 right now if he was healthy? Yeah.
Blackfoot wrote:Us playing better has more to do with Bogut. Lee is good and productive towards winning. But Bogut is our second best player when fully healthy.
agreed. While that is clear to me ATM, not sure it will be that way with Klay having another year under his belt and when we see Lee and Bogut on the court together for a long stretch. I think Lee is really good, but the question is, "who is more valuable?" Answer is Bogut... for now, but this changes all the time (for me personally). All I know:
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Blackfoot wrote:Us playing better has more to do with Bogut. Lee is good and productive towards winning. But Bogut is our second best player when fully healthy.
Precisely. And until Bogut can prove he'll be healthy for the majority of a full season, we'll need Lee in tow. Without Lee and Bogut, this team gets a LOT worse. One or the other and the guards can carry us when they shoot the lights out. But Curry and Klay both slumped at certain points this year and Lee (along with Landry and Jack, in lesser spurts) was handy to carry the offense when that happened.