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Kabuto didn't enhance Madara's power
Chapter 601 has provided an effective explanation of what Kabuto meant by "resurrecting Madara beyond his prime". We saw that Madara was elderly, much more so than the likes of Danzo, Hiruzen or the elders. Like 85+ years old. And still, he was resurrected in his youthful form. That's what Kabuto's experimentation was about. He managed to revive Madara with all the power he has amassed right until his death, yet in a youthful body. That's what makes him "complete beyond his prime". It's not like Kabuto added any powers to Madara, he just made him young again (Madara himself said very much the same thing). I thereby suggest to reword all the instances suggesting that Kabuto's experimentation made Madara more powerful. It should be stated more as that it brought him back in his youthful body but with all the powers he had acquired until his old age, inclusive. Xfing (talk) 19:15, September 11, 2012 (UTC)
No, reviving his into his prime = making him young again. "Beyond his prime" = stronger than in his youth.--Elveonora (talk) 21:24, September 11, 2012 (UTC)
- That's what I said. He's revived into his prime age-wise, but has powers exceeding it, like the Rinnegan he awakened shortly before his death. So what Kabuto did is just revive Madara young with all the powers he amassed into old age. This doesn't mean for example that the Hashirama face on Madara's chest is an effect of Kabuto's work like the article suggests. Xfing (talk) 21:21, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
Can I please add that it never said the old guy with the sharingan madara? For all we know it could be a random old uchiha who introduced him to madara for all we know... Speculation... 18.104.22.168 (talk) 03:56, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
-_- it looks exactly like Madara but old so there is no way it is anybody else... and Elveonora is right from what I see. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 09:41, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
People ****ing need to learn some reading comprehension or/and check their eyes, ur like 100th person with "who was that old guy?" doubt and question. It looks like old Madara, and the flashback happened after Kakashi asked Obito why did he join him.--Elveonora (talk) 15:40, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
- There is no need to go off on people like that. Not everyone will be as quick on the uptake as you are. When I first saw the face, for a moment I thought Nagato was back... People will get things wrong sometimes--Cerez365™(talk) 15:57, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
Yes, of course not everyone is a fast-thinker ... but when dozens of people don't get it, there's something wrong. I have seen people stating absurdities about things in a chapter that weren't even there, like slime coming from Obito's arm, while that was a piece of clothing etc. Since the flashback was in response to a question about Madara, the old dude there was obviously him. And lol Cerez, since when was Nagato that old back then and with a Sharingan? :) They just look very alike (in before adopted son/clone theories)--Elveonora (talk) 17:00, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
Guys, back on topic. I will try to explain my reasoning. This is all based on facts, there's little if any speculation involved. Kabuto said that Madara has been restored beyond his prime. "Prime" can be considered as the pinnacle of power as well as young age. Let's look at what Madara had in life.
[+] - he had it [-] - he lacked it
Prime Madara: [+] EMS [+] Young Age [-] Hashirama Tissue/Wood Release [-] Rinnegan
Older Madara [+] EMS [+] Hashirama Tissue/Wood Release [+] Rinnegan - progressed from EMS in conjunction with Senju DNA
Super Old Madara [-] Rinnegan - he gave it away to Nagato [-] Young Age [+] Hashirama Tissue/Wood Release - actually he'd probably been experimenting with that shit ever since the battle at VotE. He already had the flower tree grown etc.
Now what Kabuto meant by enhancing Madara is the following: 1) he resurrected him in his prime, age-wise, (normal Edo would have revived him an old man), while at the same time having access to powers he unlocked way later in life, i.e. past his prime. Like the Wood Release he got only after VotE and working with Hashirama tissue. 2) he resurrected him with his peak abilities intact, that is assuming that Hashirama really did fuck him up after the battle at VotE. And I think he really did, if he hadn't, then why didn't Madara start wreaking havoc again right after he healed up? He probably really did become the shell of his former self, and normal Edo Tensei would have revived him as such. I admit that this point is speculative, though, so it can be skipped. 3) he resurrected him with his original pair of eyes (that is the Rinnegan), even though Madara lacked these eyes at the time of his death. Normal Edo would have resurrected him with that single little left Sharingan replacement instead.
That's what Kabuto meant by saying Madara was completed beyond his prime. He indeed was - he was young and yet possessed abilities he never had in his youth (not until after the VotE battle, at least). that's why he was "enhanced beyond his prime". It's erroneous, though, to think that Kabuto created any of these abilities, as Madara did it himself. He even said so. Kabuto merely took them all and put them in the right place - that is, the young body of Madara.
Edo Madara: [+] Young Age [+] EMS [+] Hashirama Tissue/Wood Release [+] Rinnegan
Not to mention the Edo Tensei perks. Now compare this to Prime Madara and see why this one's better. Xfing (talk) 15:59, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
Susanoo ?
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/File:Madara%27s_chakra_and_gunbai.jpg is that some kind of susanoo ? or just his chakra being chanelled through the gunbai and shaped into a wall against the outer path's spears ?--126.96.36.199 (talk) 11:18, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
- Going with the former.--Cerez365™(talk) 11:19, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
- Gonna have to disagree there. The chakra begins being channeled immediately when Madara grabs his gunbai. In the next panel, when the shield actually appears, he is see holding his gunbai in a defensive position, whereas when he received it, he was just holding out beside him. There is some significance with that. Furthermore, in the panels following that one, when the barrier flares up, its just that, a barrier. There are no bones and none of the typical formations of Susanoo. Thirdly, Susanoo has never been formed into a wall before. We have seen Madara extensively use his Susanoo in earlier battles and have seen both Itachi and Sasuke make liberal use of their Susanoo, and in none of its three incarnations has it shown to be A) just chakra manifesting without any skeletal structure and B) forming into a wall-like structure. This is obviously coming from the gunbai and is some kind of barrier technique. I doubt it is the Uchiha Flame Battle Encampment, but it is clear that it is coming from the gunbai and that it is not Susanoo. I'll make a page for it, but if anyone disagrees with me, just have it deleted. The evidence is sufficient to suggest in favor of this argument though. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 03:55, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
- EDIT: Not to mention, seen here the sheild Madara creates covers himself AND Obito as well as the aura around just their bodies. Susanoo only covers one person at a time. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 04:00, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
It looks like Susanoo. Arrancar79 (talk) 04:46, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
- Yes and the Uchiha Flame Battle Encampment looks like the Four Violet Flames Battle Encampment. The point is, numerous techniques are virtual look alikes in terms of how they are colored and appeared, but just because an attack is colored like Susanoo doesn't make it Susanoo. Like I said, there are no bones, there is no nothing that would indicate Susanoo. Nothing at all. Not even a small fragment. Even the way it used is fundamentally different from Susanoo. In all instances of Susanoo being used for defense, the user at least manifests the ribcage. Using a wall has never happened. Nor has a Susanoo ever covered two people at once in its aura in just its initial state (or any stage for that matter, while all three panels clearly show it covering both Obito and Madara. That alone is enough evidence it isn't Susanoo. Furthermore, the chakra is literally shown covering just the gunbai the page after the barrier is used. The gunbai was placed in a defensive position before the barrier manifested. The gunbai is clearly the source of the barrier. Not Madara. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 04:58, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
Wind nature or Return of Uchiha?
As we never saw what Madara did in the AMV from the game exactly, would it be less speculative to think it was RoU or was the anime only wind nature from something else I missed? Arrancar79 (talk) 04:19, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
- Personally, I have the game and have seen the cut scene for myself, and its pretty obvious what happened. There's a gust of wind knocking back a large amount of ninja, followed by the scene cutting to Madara with his gunbai. Though he is not seen in the action of swinging the fan, you have to use common sense here to deduce who is using it. So yes, his usage of the fan to produce wind gusts in the OVA is considered anime usage. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 05:03, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
- I have the game myself and have watched the scene many times. I wasn't questioning who used it but questioning what happened. He was attacked then we see his attackers blown back accompanied by a disturbance of the air and flattened grass. It was not much of a stretch then to guess what happened but knowing what we know now I believe it is more responsible to attribute it to a use of Return of Uchiha. Unless RoU is stated to have a Wind nature it should be removed till he's seen using a Wind jutsu IMO. Arrancar79 (talk) 23:40, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
- I've seen the video of those scenes at youtube, and it was pretty clear for me that he made a gust of wind with his gunbai, the likes of which only makes sense through the use of Wind Release. I wouldn't say Uchiha Return is a Wind Release, but it should still be there as long as those scenes are considered anime. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:53, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
- I have to disagree. It's speculative to continue citing Madara as having a Chakra nature based on so little. He's never used a wind technique and we now see he has the ability to redirect force/jutsu with his war fan. Arrancar79 (talk) 00:15, September 15, 2012 (UTC)
- What are you suggesting them? To consider the thing he did in the ova as Uchiha Return? It didn't seem like a defensive move to me, it seemed quite offensive. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:57, September 15, 2012 (UTC)
- Yes that's what I'm suggesting. I don't see a difference in how he used it against Naruto rushing him and the group be knocked away. Arrancar79 (talk) 02:11, September 15, 2012 (UTC)
- Against Naruto, he turned the force of his own attack against him. I don't recall any attack being directed at Madara for him to reflect at any opponent, there might have been some shinobing running towards him, but it was Madara who made the first attack. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:18, September 15, 2012 (UTC)
- They were both attacking. He swung his fan as they lept at him. Return of Uchiha is a reasonable explanation for what happened, more so than than to attribute a new elemental nature to him and an un-named wind technique IMO. Arrancar79 (talk) 02:43, September 15, 2012 (UTC)
- Just watched the video at youtube again. I guess it could be Uchiha Return, but I find it very odd that the force of reflecting taijutsu and maybe a few blades would cause so much of the vegetation at his feet to bend. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:54, September 15, 2012 (UTC)
- I have the game myself and have watched the scene many times. I wasn't questioning who used it but questioning what happened. He was attacked then we see his attackers blown back accompanied by a disturbance of the air and flattened grass. It was not much of a stretch then to guess what happened but knowing what we know now I believe it is more responsible to attribute it to a use of Return of Uchiha. Unless RoU is stated to have a Wind nature it should be removed till he's seen using a Wind jutsu IMO. Arrancar79 (talk) 23:40, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
Sorry didn't see this when I reverted. I don't believe that the techniques I saw in the ova fight and the one in the manga are the same. They're repelling entirely different things and I'd feel much more comfortable listing him as having Wind Release as opposed to saying it was this technique. Cerez365™(talk) 12:30, September 15, 2012 (UTC)
I'm for the Wind Release being kept (there's anime only for a purpose so people know it's not canon) because by your suggestion, it would be much more confusing and shitting on canon as at the time the scene was animated, Return of the Uchiha wasn't yet revealed in the manga so the animators had no idea such things exists--Elveonora (talk) 21:39, September 15, 2012 (UTC)
- I can accept the wind nature but it wouldn't be the first thing to show up in Anime first and then manga. If I remember right, Kishi was involved in those scenes as well but maybe not, either way I digress. :) Arrancar79 (talk) 09:07, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
- Kishimoto was not involved in those scenes, any at all. If what was done in the OVA and the manga are supposed to be the same, then that would mean that all those people Madara blew away jumped on his gunbai and all those weapons did so as well. I was thinking about it and Madara waited for Naruto to make contact with the gunbai before using the technique instead of just blowing him out of the air. Which is why I doubt those two instances are the same.--Cerez365™(talk) 10:04, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
I know this was discussed before, but this really bugs me. Isn't there an adequate and "colored" (the current one is colored but is b&W) picture to put in the infobox?--Holyn (talk) 18:08, September 15, 2012 (UTC)
Abilities contradiction
I noticed a contradiction in the Abilities section. There is on part that says "After activating his Rinnegan and using it in conjunction with his Susanoo", yet in the Rinnegan heading it states "However, it sould be noted that while using the powers granted by one dōjustu he cannot simultaneously access those granted by another." So can he use both the Rinnegan and Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan at the same time or no? —This unsigned comment was made by 18.104.22.168 (talk • contribs) .
the latter line is 100% speculative and should be removed... he uses Susanoo with Rinnegan all the time, and it's logical that in order to use Rinnegan powers, he has to activate it, just like a Sharingan can't use MS powers--Elveonora (talk) 18:46, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
Doesn't change the fact that after having the Rinnegan activated, he had to switch to EMS to cast genjutsu at the Raikage. At least some abilities are restrained to each dōjutsu. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:06, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
Alrighty that clears things up a little Konoha'sBlackXandXWhiteFlash (talk) 02:13, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
I believe, Uchiha Madara is not a sensor type as stated in this wiki. At chapter 628 of Naruto, when he sense that Harishama Senju might come, this is due to accumulation Harishama's DNA as part of his own body that whenever Harishama uses chakra as it form as a link to Madara's Body that allows him to feel Hashirama whenever he is nearby. My statement is back up that the fact Uchiha Madara can use Rinnegan without faltering because his body partly made of Harishama's DNA due to the fact it is made out of clone as well. This concept is based also on what Danzo capable of gathering multiple sharingan on his arms. Wurstkast (talk) 05:11, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
- Possible, but not proved. Also, Obito's body is made of Hashirama's cells as well, even to a greater extent than Madara's, and he gave no indication of detecting Hashirama. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 05:47, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
Madara gave Nagato
Madara gave Nagato his eyes when Nagato was a kid... So Nagato Possess's the Sharingan and Eternal Mangekyo too. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 07:21, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
- We don't know how it works. From everything we've seen, Nagato only has access to the Rinnegan.--22.214.171.124 (talk) 09:33, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
Or he just never used it on panel... he probably used it to use genjutsu such as on those ame ninja he put extremely powerful genjutsu blocks in. we don't know either way. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 10:22, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
- Things like ^that is exactly why we should wait. We don't have to be piecing anything together, Kishimoto is telling us the story, for now, we make mention what was said in the manga and leave it at that...--Cerez365™(talk) 10:30, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
Didn't Madara say he left his real eyes with someone else? When Obito was posing as him he told Konan "I gave Nagato the Rinnegan." That's evidence enough, IMO. And as for Nagato not possessing the Sharingan, Kakashi can't shut his Sharingan off because he's not an Uchiha, so it stands to reason Nagato can't shut the Rinnegan off either. At least this chapter confirms Madara created Zetsu. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 12:29, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
why, any user can't wait for a few more weeks to get more Information? --MaskedManMadara (talk) 16:51, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
Loss of power
What proof has their been that Madara had lost any of his powers in his old age. Chapter 602 points more to not being able to use them due to not having two Sharingan and because of dwindled chakra reserves rather than actually having lost them. What Tobi has never been proven. It was just his statement and was probably something he said to make his story about being Madara and resorting to that method sound believable. But there has never been any proof backing him up. The Fox King(email@example.com (talk) 17:50, September 19, 2012 (UTC))
Yes, I just saw. Sorry. The Fox King(firstname.lastname@example.com (talk) 18:08, September 19, 2012 (UTC))
Madara said he entrusted his eyes to someone else!!!!!!! Could it be nagato? I mean, it's all there. He said he awakened his Rinnegan shortly before his death, and gave it to nagato. Someone please comment, or at least say it's likely.--22.214.171.124 (talk) 20:24, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
- #Madara gave Nagato. --The Goblin 20:30, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
Gedo Mazo life support system beginning
Why should we say in Madara's article that he was on the Gedo Mazo from the time he sustained the injuries in the last fight with Hashirama until he died when he himself has not said he was and we don't know that he was? The Fox King(email@example.com (talk) 22:46, September 20, 2012 (UTC))
- The "Mazou" that he mentions isn't the Gedo Mazo, but Hashirama's Living Clone and that term (mazou) means statue --MaskedManMadara (talk) 18:25, September 21, 2012 (UTC)
- The Mazō is there in the image of him announcing himself to Obito. You have to strain your eyes because of the scans but the statue is there sitting in the yet-to-be fully-opened flower. If Madara had meant Hashirama's Living Clone he would have referred to it as what he did when he told Obito that he had used it to reconstruct his body; that clone isn't a statue.--Cerez365™(talk) 18:31, September 21, 2012 (UTC)
- oh, yeah? I don't know it, I think it to be a statue O_O. but thanks Cerez365, is more things that I know now. MaskedManMadara (talk) 18:48, September 21, 2012 (UTC)
- The Mazō is there in the image of him announcing himself to Obito. You have to strain your eyes because of the scans but the statue is there sitting in the yet-to-be fully-opened flower. If Madara had meant Hashirama's Living Clone he would have referred to it as what he did when he told Obito that he had used it to reconstruct his body; that clone isn't a statue.--Cerez365™(talk) 18:31, September 21, 2012 (UTC)
Why does it say that his injuries from his last fight with Hashirama caused him to have to be on the statue from that point till death when that can't be? He'd need the Rinnegan, which he didn't have then, to summon it and make use of that chakra and he himself didn't say he had been on the Mazo since that last fight. Why should the article say that as though it were a fact that he was? The Fox King(firstname.lastname@example.com (talk) 23:32, September 21, 2012 (UTC))
That's a speculation and should be removed... not to mention that would make it more than 40 years he was trapped underground.--Elveonora (talk) 23:48, September 21, 2012 (UTC)
He could'nt have been on the mazou life support (oh i love to say that) from Hashirama's victory t'ill Obito wound up in his underground passageway. Because he would have needed to give that "person" (most likely Nagato) his eyes (most likely the rinnegan), and he was alive for decades and decades after his suppossed defeat, so i'd think that he was incredibley old by that point.220.127.116.11 (talk) 00:02, September 22, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan
No man. Madara walked away from the fight and then lived a healthy and happy life. Sewed some wild oats (hence we have Nagato and Rasputia Uchiha) and then contracted cancer in his old age. What we saw there was just chemotherapy with primitive machinery... That's definitely what happened.--Cerez365™(talk) 11:50, September 22, 2012 (UTC)
Why that sarcasm? Read above, in the case he was there since Hashirama "defeat" that would make it more than 40 years, not to mention he likely met Yahiko and Nagato.... hard to believe their meeting was underground--Elveonora (talk) 19:31, September 22, 2012 (UTC)
- Because there's no other way to respond to this. Madara's article is being edited to say he went on live a long life, through three wars (because he participated in them ~_~) as if he got up from the fight with Hashirama and was fine and dandy, and then contracted a disease in his old age and had to go on life support which is rubbish. Tobi told us that the fight left him a shell of his former self not because he was making excuses for only using Kamui but because it did in fact leave him a shell; unless I'm reading another manga. I've said it before but nothing Tobi has said so far has been a lie. He's only ever omitted the truth. I understand that people love Madara but there's nothing to it but to accept the fact that Hashirama crippled him severely and he lived out the rest of his life in a hole.--Cerez365™(talk) 14:40, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
That's right, Obito never really lied. "I, Uchiha Madara" didn't have anything to do with Kurama attacking Konoha ;) Now you mention it, it's a possibility... could explain that "hell" and "ghost of Uchiha Madara" parts. He "lived" there since then and considered himself as dead. Poor Madara 0_0--Elveonora (talk) 15:09, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
The Fading into obscurity thing I put in there is there to say that he was never seen or heard from again. What I wrote is there to say he lived through them, not that he fought them. He did get stronger, shown in everything he has now for the sake of his Eye of the Moon plan. The reason he was on the Gedo when he was old isn't known. Could have been because he was too old and needed it, even with Hashirama's cells. He was was over 100 The Fox King(email@example.com (talk) 15:13, September 23, 2012 (UTC))
- editconflict If people consider Obito calling himself Madara simply a "lie" then they are reading the story too one dimensionally. I don't understand how people can think that someone could walk out of a fight unscathed in a battle that essentially created an entire valley and another nation.--Cerez365™(talk) 15:20, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
Not to mention we saw him pierced by a sword, and Hashirama barely survived with his "self-healing no jutsu" looked at it through Cerez's way, makes more sense (even if cruel, but this manga isn't about ponies) than him surviving, living happily after, manipulating from shadows for so long and then getting crippled--Elveonora (talk) 15:28, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
Nobody is saying he got out of the fight unscathed, just that it was never really proven that he was just a shell of his former self. His injuries and all were severe yes, but with the way he could treat Obito's wounds and save him with Hashirama's cells, is it really reasonable to think that he couldn't do the same to himself? Not to mention, he was nowhere near where he was when he was on the Gedo when he last fought Hashirama and lost. He may have been wounded terribly, but he got stronger. No one is saying it was easy. It was probably very hard and took him a very long time. Think also about the fact that he had Hashirama's cells and that they, given Tsunade's testament to Tobi's possession of them, Madara might haven been able to extend his life by harvesting them and allowing him to train and learn how to use his Wood Release like he can. The reason he needed to go on the Gedo is unexplained. It may have been because of dwindled chakra reserves or some kind of genetic malfunction with Hashirama's DNA that was making him weaker rather than helping him maintain his training and preparation for future plans. To state something we don't know as a fact, such as being a shell of his former self, and present it as a fact is speculation and unnecessary. The Fox King(firstname.lastname@example.com (talk) 15:38, September 23, 2012 (UTC))
- All of that however, is speculation based on things that was never seen. What we do know:
- Hashirama and Madara fought.
- Madara lost.
- Madara survived and became a shell of his former self.
- Madara used that battle to gather the Firsts' cells.
- Madara is attached to a giant statue covered in Zetsu's which were built with First cells.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 17:42, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
Madara did not become a shell of his former self as far as fact goes. We don't know that he did. The Fox King(firstname.lastname@example.com (talk) 19:35, September 23, 2012 (UTC))
But we work only with facts, we know these things:
- he got pierced by Hashirama's sword, and "died" not to mention he sure had many more wounds... how he survived is unknown now.
- became a shell of his former self
- gedo life support
There's no incident in between, so unless more information is provided, Hashi battle made him what he was in chapter 602 --Elveonora (talk) 19:52, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
Thats no fact. He didn't become a shell of his former self. Tobi said that, not him and it stands to reason that since he is weaker than Madara, which he factually admitted, then he say something like that to get others to believe what he said about being Madara was true. He himself has not stated that or in any way implied it. He was no shell of his former self factually because he only got stronger after losing at the Valley of the End, not weaker. Everything else you said was true, but that wasn't. Be realistic. The Fox King(email@example.com (talk) 21:39, September 23, 2012 (UTC))
Be realistic? This is a damn manga, you know right? You are speculating too much, your "sense and logic" aren't above information provided... you can't simply arrange it the way you want. What we know is listed, the end. EDIT: Itachi said the same about shell thing, also how is being connected to a flower in order to survive considered as getting stronger?--Elveonora (talk) 22:21, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
He wasn't connected to the Gedo for all those years after losing and Itachi, just like Nagato, knew Tobi and believed that he was Madara and Tobi is weaker than Madara. Hes admitted that. The reason he, not Madara, would probably have said such a thing was so others, like Itachi, Nagato, and the five Kage, would believe that thats who he was and why he would resort to a plan like that. Onoki questioned that himself. In everything that has been seen of Madara himself, nothing has said or shown that he became a shell of his former self after he lost that last battle with Hashirama. Thats a fact. I'm not speculating, you are. In all that we saw of Madara's past when Tobi was telling Sasuke about everything that happened with Madara, he did not mention, imply, or even contemplate to himself that Madara was just a shell of his former self. The fact that he made that statement to the five Kage without us seeing any proof it was true opens a possibility that what he said was just a lie to make his story sound believable. He spent all those decades training with the Wood Release and mastered it so powerfully. He was also able to awaken the Rinnegan. Whenever he did so, it was after that battle and therefore, he got stronger period after it. The Fox King(email@example.com (talk) 22:50, September 23, 2012 (UTC))
- But here is the thing: Where do you assume this? Everything Tobi and Itachi has said about Madara was correct, based on what we have seen. You are just assuming he walked out of that battle and got god mode somehow. That is not how we were told, and not how we've seen.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 23:07, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
Correction, we have not seen that Madara was just a shell of his former self after losing that last battle and only most of what Tobi and Itachi said was shown to be true. Not everything. Saying he was just a shell of his former self after that battle when it was never shown that he was was just words. Nothing backing it up. The only thing we have seen about him losing to Hashirama is that he was severely wounded, which doesn't prove that was a shell of what he was before losing that battle, only that he lost and survived it. Neither Itachi nor Tobi's statements about that have been proven true. Thats a fact. The Fox King(email@example.com (talk) 23:30, September 23, 2012 (UTC))
It doesn't really make sense we argue out this point. It is true that we only know bits and pieces that have yet to be glued together of what happened after the battle at the valley of the end and Madara finding Obito, but I would however be really shocked if that battle and Madara's state aren't directly related. Any way, as long as the information remains how it is (or at least how I last remember it being) for now, it's enough for me.--Cerez365™(talk) 23:52, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
My point exactly Cerez. It has so far no been shown that he was a shell of his former self after losing that battle or that he was on that Mazo from the time he lost till he died. Next chapter may change some or all of that., but as it stands right now, none of that is fact. The Fox King(email@example.com (talk) 00:11, September 24, 2012 (UTC))
"awakened Rinnegan before death"
I'm pretty sure he wasn't referring to him dying after the 3rd SWW, but before being "killed" by Hashirama, as he considered himself to be dead afterwards. He gave his eyes to Nagato decades before, and had only a spare ordinary Sharingan by the time he met Obito. Not to mention he wouldn't have such mastery over it if it was by his old age. Should be reworded in my opinion--Elveonora (talk) 15:25, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
Madara came out and stated that he awakened it shortly before his death. Doubt that mean't decades and until he says what he meant about leaving his real eyes with someone else, we can only speculate that subject. The Fox King(email@example.com (talk) 15:51, September 23, 2012 (UTC))
It is impossible, at this point in time, to determine which "death" Madara was referring to. However, implications seem to be hinting it was the former...the one at the Valley of the End. There are two things supporting this, one of which is evidence: firstly, we have to consider the fact that Madara, having just been resurrected by Edo Tensei, would have had no idea how much his summoner knew with regards to his life. Thus, he would attempt to disclose the least amount of information possible. An example of this is found in chapter 561, where Madara asks Kabuto how much he knows: during the entirety of his explanation, he remains silent. It's obvious he isn't intent on revealing anything about his life and death. So why wouldn't he make a vague statement that can be interpreted in one of two ways, especially given the fact that Kabuto knows more than the average individual (his extra knowledge would actually be a detriment in this situation, as it only confuses the situation further)? To the rest of the world, Madara died at Hashirama's hand over 60 years ago. Why not continue to uphold that falsity? It wouldn't be in Madara's best interests to reveal conflicting information.
Secondly, Madara clearly says in chapter 602 that he left his real eyes to someone else. That "someone else" is obviously Nagato, and it is evidence against Madara's statement being a reference to his true death. I will explain why: at this point, Nagato having the Rinnegan is due to one of two reasons: either Madara transplanted his Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan into Nagato, whose Uzumaki blood caused the eyes to progress to their final stage, or Madara directly gave Nagato the Rinnegan, already having completed the last step with Hashirama's Senju DNA. Based off these two scenarios, it would be impossible for Madara to have awakened the Rinnegan (possibly again) before his real death because he would have needed a new EMS to get to that final stage. What are the odds of that happening? Infinitesimally low. Not just because of the difficulty of the procedure, but because Madara was missing a right eye in this latest chapter.
Now, you may be asking how Kabuto managed to modify Madara back to his prime form, with enhancements such as the Rinnegan, that he gave away years before dying (Edo Tensei supposedly works by resurrecting the person as they were moments before death): the truth is, I have no idea. There's obviously something bigger going on here. But at this stage in the game, it's not unlikely to think that Madara was talking about his "death" at VoTE, especially given his words this chapter: "ghost of the Uchiha." 126.96.36.199 (talk) 19:09, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
Not to mention that would make 2 pairs of Rinnegan eyes, obviously, besides Sage's, there has been only one other pair--Elveonora (talk) 19:20, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
Thats what I said as far as his death goes, however, it has yet to be seen what he mean't and we can't be sure he mean't Nagato until chapter 603 is out. Only then can we know that as a fact. Also, just because he gave away his eyes, doesn't mean he lost the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan dojutsu, or the Rinnegan if he had awakened before giving his eyes away. Its a kekkei genkai. Its in his blood. His genetics and works through his eyes, not just within the eyes themselves. He also said he couldn't awaken the full potential of his eyes without two, which the full potential to him would be everything he achieved. Think about that. The Fox King(firstname.lastname@example.com (talk) 21:46, September 23, 2012 (UTC))
I don't see a reason to doubt that... these are facts:
- Madara and Nagato knew each other
- Tobi claimed that "I Madara" did give Nagato the Rinnegan
- Madara assumes Nagato revived him with Rinne Tensei no jutsu
- Madara confirms he gave his eyes to someone
The way it's worded now sounds like he produced 2 pairs of Rinnegan eyes in his lifetime, should be changed to: "Shortly before being presumed to have been killed by Hashirama in their final confrontation at a place later to be known as Valley of The End, Madara awakened his Rinnegan"--Elveonora (talk) 22:19, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
Indeed it should should it be revealed to have been that way in the next chapter when we hopefully find out for sure what he mean't. The Fox king(email@example.com (talk) 22:41, September 23, 2012 (UTC))
But Nagato didn't know Madara cause the eyes were implanted without his knowledge (he thought he activated the eyes himself). And considering the fact that Jiraya was training Nagato before he trained Minato and Minato was trained as a kid by Jiraya, then Nagato had the Rinnengan before Obito was born. --Deathmailrock (talk) 06:50, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
Second Rikudou
I thought it to be clear that Madara is such, not Obito. Everything Tobi/Obito did say under "I, Madara" has been under this guy's name and were his actions/deeds. Nagato's Rinnegan couldn't have given by Obito, clearly. Also Madara did awake Rinnegan, not Obito, thus the title belong to him--Elveonora (talk) 04:33, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
- I think we're simply waiting for something more clear-cut than the "Tobi said it as Madara" bid.--Cerez365™(talk) 11:47, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
It's obviously obvious... doubting Obito's "Madara" statements is paranoid at this point.
- Obito wasn't alive when Nagato got Rinnegan
- Kabuto compared Madara's power to be a fragment of that of So6p
- Madara did awake the Rinnegan, making him "another Sage"
- There's no reason for Obito to be 2nd Rikudou, eye/name/title thief suits him better
- Same goes for Madara being the Akatsuki's creator, my topic got ignored completely
--Elveonora (talk) 17:04, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
I never said it was doubted, nor is anyone being paranoid. Just that the general consensus I got on this matter(s) is that we wait...--Cerez365™(talk) 17:12, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
I think we've waited long enough, this latest chapter confirmed all the things tobi said he's done under Madara's name was done by Madara... no point in waiting any longer, we're not going to get much more than that.MangekyoSasuke (talk) 04:41, October 18, 2012 (UTC)
Izanagi and Yin-Yang Release.
As we saw as of chapter 606, it was indeed Madara who tutored Obito into all those powerful dojutsu such as Izanagi...now in regards to the Yin-Yang style, i'm in the wind in as to his application of it...namely the creation of Black Zetsu and his explanation to his creation of the chakra rods as an physical aplication of his will. Now my question is...should be named as an Izanagi user and should his Yin-Yang use be stated? Darksusanoo (talk) 12:04, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
- Another detail is the fact that Madara reffered to the various White Zetsu's as being created by the Yin-Yang powers...soo, any opinions? Darksusanoo (talk) 12:53, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
He clearly could/can use Izanagi and taught Obito the technique--Elveonora (talk) 16:06, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
- Or he can use it in principle and taught it to Obito, in principle? Information about him using Yin Yang Release has been added to his article.--Cerez365™(talk) 16:08, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
He taught him Uchiha Kinjutsu, not to mention don't tell me Obito found out about Izanagi himself--Elveonora (talk) 16:13, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
- By principle to teach a technique in an efficient manner as seen with Obito, the teacher (Madara) should have first hand experience in using said technique. You can't teach a complex technique like that and not have mastered said technique. Besides Madara is known for his extensive knowledge and use of these complex techniques. Now what about his creation of Black Zetsu? Does that qualify as Yin-Yang as well? Darksusanoo (talk) 16:27, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
The fact that him is listed as a Izanagi user is because of his genjutsu or because he says that he will teach Obito about the clan's kinjutsu? MaskedManMadara (talk) 18:42, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
- The second since there are only two Uchiha Kinjutsu and one was only created to neutralize the other and is pretty much useless on it's own and Obito only used Izanagi as off now Darksusanoo (talk) 18:59, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
Now, so that people won't say i got most of this stuff out of thin air, here's the translation which confirms that the Yin-Yang was also used to create the Zetsu clones. And since Madara is pretty much the only user at the time the Zetsu clones were first created that pretty much is worth a mention. Darksusanoo (talk) 19:42, October 18, 2012 (UTC)
What i don't get is, did he really have yin-yang thanks to dna or was it because of the sharingan?--Aeonophic (talk) 15:59, October 21, 2012 (UTC)Aeonophic
One doesn't need Sharingan to have either. Second Mizukage used Yin Release, Yin and Yang are the source of several non-elemental ninjutsu. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:14, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
If so, then why does Obito Uchiha have earth release and water release, but also has yin-yang release?--Aeonophic (talk) 19:09, October 21, 2012 (UTC)Aeonophic
- Because he used an Earth Release technique and Wood one as well, thus should be able to use Water in addition
- Used Izanagi and Madara taught him presumably others
- I don't get what ur asking... --Elveonora (talk) 19:14, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
Ying-Yang release is learned, and Obito got Water and Earth from the Wood release; Many ninja's use Yin-Yang release, but only the Sage and Madara create life using it (though Madara had cells while the Sage only used Chakra) --Deathmailrock (talk) 06:45, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
Adding a "Legacy" section
What do you think, guys? Perhaps we should add a "Legacy" section for Madara, for example because he's technically deceased and because he turned out to be the direct cause of everything that's going on now? Xfing (talk) 23:52, October 22, 2012 (UTC)
- Go ahead. He is dead, and if they influence crap after death then boom, section.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 00:02, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
New Technique
As it seen in the latest chapter, Madara used Yin-Yang Release to create Black Zetsu by transfering part of his will into a Zetsu clone. Now i'm wondering if by what was shown, warrants the creation of a jutsu article based on what shown and stated. Any opinions/ideas? 18.104.22.168 (talk) 20:53, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
"creation of all things" even if speculative, makes sense... I think that's also exactly how the Meteorites were created and why Kabuto compared Madara to So6p during that instance--Elveonora (talk) 21:11, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
It's a stretch at best to be creation of all things...but i do believe it to be a technique in it's own right. Darksusanoo (talk) 21:44, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
- Any other opinions for this topic? Darksusanoo (talk) 18:29, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
The best bet is what I put forward, but this isn't a place where bets are taken as fact, thus we will have to wait. Pointless topic, since how would you call that... Zetsu creation technique?--Elveonora (talk) 22:19, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
- That's not the one, i'm talking about the Yin-Yang technique Madara used to create the Black Zetsu by transfering a portion of his will onto a Zetsu clone...given we had a description, an image of how it was used and a user, it could warrant a creation...maybe Will Transfer Technique, since it was shown in translation that Black Zetsu was basically a low grade replica of Madara due to being infused with his will or conscience.Darksusanoo (talk) 00:24, October 25, 2012 (UTC)
- Now with that i can agree...is there any other thoughts on this topic?Darksusanoo (talk) 15:43, October 29, 2012 (UTC)
Where exactly was it said that Black Zetsu was created using Yin-Yang Release? Because I only heard that the clones of White Zetsu were created using such- even then Madara had nothing to do with that- the statue and the living clone did all that. Yes he did implant his will into White Zetsu and the chakra receiver, but why exactly does a technique article need to be created for it? It's just one more place that speculation as to what his "will" is to be presented in a more "visible" fashion. Mentioning that he did it in his general abilities section should suffice, at least for now in my opinion.--Cerez365™(talk) 15:57, October 29, 2012 (UTC)
- Madara said it himself, whem he said he was teaching Obito Yin-Yang Techniques, plus the Yin-Yang as a whole has very little information to it, plus we have a (small granted) description that by infusing his will onto Zetsu to create it's Black side, he created a low grade replica of himself...given how Yin-Yang as whole appears to revolve around the manipulation of reality and creation...and the will part...to me i see it as a portion of his psyche/soul/chakra...since he said that the other portion in the chakra receiver for his revival, i'm imagining that is the reason for it. Either way i believe that what was used to create Black Zetsu is a Yin-Yang technique in it own right since it envolves the transformation of imagination (Madara's will) into a physical thing (The Black Zetsu).
Anyone care to join in? Darksusanoo (talk) 14:59, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
I don't think anyone disagrees with it being a yin-yang release, but there's no need to create an article for that... closest thing to that would be "creation of all things" and that's speculative--Elveonora (talk) 02:16, January 1, 2013 (UTC)
Respect Shown
Is it worthy saying that Madara has shown equal respect for Naruto just as for Hashirama ? --126.96.36.199 (talk) 16:14, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
this is me asking, (went online unintentionally) --Naruto6paths (talk) 16:17, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
And you concluded as such due to what..?--Elveonora (talk) 22:15, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
After witnessing naruto countering his wood release: nativity of a world of trees and looking for the original naruto (when he used his shadow clones) just only to negotiate "seemingly" this can apply to his respect, instead of just talking to his shadow clones. --Naruto6paths (talk) 19:31, October 30, 2012 (UTC)
Did he really try to convince Naruto?
While reading the chapter it is impossible to ascertain whether Naruto's "Like hell that will work! I'm the son of th 4th Hokage!" was a response to Madara's talking or his attacks. We have no way to say, so I suggest all the parts saying Madara was trying to convince Naruto that the Eye of the Moon is for the good, should be removed. Xfing (talk) 10:49, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
What Madara says in return more strongly implies that he was trying to convince Naruto of his plan being for the good of humanity. Besides, on side points, Madara has shown genuine belief that his plan is for the greater good of humanity. The Fox King(firstname.lastname@example.com (talk) 12:45, November 12, 2012 (UTC))
Shadow Clone/Wood Clone
Is it noteworthy that Madara states he was the only one to be able to see through wood clones but he can't distinguish Naruto from his shadow clones (Considering he is alway surprised when he hits one of them)? --220.127.116.11 (talk) 15:16, December 1, 2012 (UTC)
This is weird, as at first he could tell which is Naruto and a clone...--Elveonora (talk) 23:49, December 1, 2012 (UTC)
Ah, forgot that then--220.127.116.11 (talk) 03:13, December 3, 2012 (UTC)
Edo Tensei
Should madara's knowledge of Edo Tensei be listed under his intelligence section. He knows about its origins and how to break the contract.--Trogdor247 (talk) 08:42, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
- There is nothing in particular that speaks to his intelligence there. The technique was created during his era in a village he lived in. He either stole the information or simply knew about it, it isn't exactly a hijutsu.--Cerez365™(talk) 08:52, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
That's knowledge not intelligence--Elveonora (talk) 08:55, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
Tsukuyomi in left eye
If Obito has Tsukuyomi it's from Madaras Rinnegan eye right? Therefor his Tsukuyomi was in his left eye and his Amaterasu the right. May not even be important other than a trivia note, any thoughts? Arrancar79 (talk) 05:25, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
I also figured as much, but it's still a speculation.--Elveonora (talk) 13:54, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
- Not really speculation, if it was inconclusive or based on insufficient evidence it would be but unless Madara's eyes work in a totally unique way it's deductive reasoning and a valid observation. Arrancar79 (talk) 00:19, February 15, 2013 (UTC)
He used Tsukuyomi movie only tho, once his Rinnegan eye changes into Madara's EMS and he casts it, he will be listed--Elveonora (talk) 01:04, February 15, 2013 (UTC)
- Never mentioned listing anyone as a user just whether it was a valid observation or noteworthy that Madara's Tsukuyomi originated in his left eye but if that was all movie info then I suppose it doesn't matter either way. Arrancar79 (talk) 22:00, February 15, 2013 (UTC)
Wind Release
Think, we should take of Anime only from Wind Release as he has Rinnegan in the manga which allows him to use it. Unless there is a "Show a Technique, then we will wake up" policy in here--East Dragons Feast 09:35, February 15, 2013 (UTC)
To be honest, the policies in here are "everyone does as he/she pleases" in some cases, but to answer, it's the latter--Elveonora (talk) 12:50, February 15, 2013 (UTC)
- Sigh. The Rinnegan gives you the him the potential to use all nature transformations. That does not mean that Madara has opted to learn how to use them. As it is, the policy is "follow what was said exactly" which is explicitly that you gain the potential to learn every nature transformation does not mean you have to opt to learn it, everything else we note the use. Leave it up to some of you people, this place would be riddled with even more speculation that'd just float by us and find their way into articles. You guys want to do stuff like that you're free to find yourselves a forum.--Cerez365™(talk) 15:35, February 15, 2013 (UTC)
That's right, it's actually stated in the Rinnegan article--Elveonora (talk) 15:37, February 15, 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, so why would we take off the anime only? Has he used it in the manga? Isn't that what you should've told East Dragon Feast? --Cerez365™(talk) 15:55, February 15, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, I was being sarcastic, topics like these shouldn't even be made since the article explains it.--Elveonora (talk) 16:02, February 15, 2013 (UTC)
- But this is popular misconception that requires the explaining ( '-')--Cerez365™(talk) 16:08, February 15, 2013 (UTC)
- Ah ! I was satisfied with Elveonora's first explanation and din't want to make a big deal about it. Now don't make a big fuss about it Topic Closed.--East Dragons Feast 10:31, February 16, 2013 (UTC)
- That first "explanation" was sarcasm; So it wasn't really an explanation, it was actually along the lines of mocking. I know it may be hard to tell over the internet but please try your best. If you wanna know why he was being sarcastic, it's because we get question about Rinnegan "giving" acess to nature transformations thing far too often.188.8.131.52 (talk) 15:19, February 16, 2013 (UTC) Yomiko-chan
- Ah ! I was satisfied with Elveonora's first explanation and din't want to make a big deal about it. Now don't make a big fuss about it Topic Closed.--East Dragons Feast 10:31, February 16, 2013 (UTC)
Sam Witwer?
The wikipedia page for Sam Witwer says he'll be voicing Madara in Storm 3. Can anyone verify this as legit or not? --M4ND0N (talk) 02:35, February 22, 2013 (UTC)
Sounds like Naoya Uchida voices Madara in Storm 3
here. --M4ND0N (talk) 02:01, February 27, 2013 (UTC)
- Only the ending credits can prove that. --OmegaRasengan (talk) 02:23, February 27, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah but listen to the part where he does the Meteor Technique. It's a pretty unique voice, I doubt that it could be anyone else. --M4ND0N (talk) 02:36, February 27, 2013 (UTC)
- Well, if we're waiting for end credits then I'll refrain from editing, but I think the dub took the same route because it sounds like Kaplan in here. Again, I won't change it due to the rules but listen and you can at least judge if it sounds the same: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twzHNKUKMfM--DeadmanNK (talk) 04:28, February 28, 2013 (UTC)
- There's a video in youtube somewhere from an English game with has voice actor credits in the opening, when Kurama is still appearing in the Nine-Tails' attack sequence. I don't recall if they put Madara's VA in that part. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:08, March 1, 2013 (UTC)
Madara's dead brothers
In the Background section, it is written "Hashirama revealed that his brother had been killed in battle. Telling Hashirama that he had four brothers who had also been killed" based on Chapter 622 in which Madara says "I have... 4 brothers. Well, I had them..." (mangareader.net). But we know Izuna is Madara's younger blood brother and judging from their similar size and appearance in Itachi's and Tobi's story flashbacks Izuna must be close enough to Madara in age. So wouldn't what Madara said, that he had 4 brothers simply mean that the number currently isn't 4 anymore but 1, Izuna. This would also explain why Izuna and him were so close to eachother, because their other 3 brothers died in combat. Izuna looked too old in all his flashback appearances to be born around (after) that chapter 622 talk Madara and Hashirama had.
--GyoMasta (talk) 14:30, February 28, 2013 (UTC)
From what I get, Madara have had 5 brothers, 6 siblings in total (omitting a possibility of sisters ) "I had 4 brothers" to me sounds like Izuna was yet to be born at the time. If he was including him, he would have said "I have had 4 brothers, 1 is left of them"--Elveonora (talk) 14:42, February 28, 2013 (UTC)
- Izuna and Madara looked too close in age to not to have been born by then. Apart from the speculation (I don't know how the total reached six?) saying he had four brothers can still mean that 1, 2, or even 3 were still alive; however unlikely as it seemed Izuna was his only surviving sibling.--Cerez365™(talk) 14:49, February 28, 2013 (UTC)
Madara + 4 brothers + Izuna = 6 siblings, but ur right, there couldn't be a decade or so difference between them, so 5 siblings in total. That means 3 of them died and Izuna had left, but again, the way it has been worded... we will need a correct translation to know for sure--Elveonora (talk) 14:54, February 28, 2013 (UTC)
The wording also made me think something was off. But unless Izuna has had some form of growth anomally or growth enhancement, he couldn't be nearly the same size as Madara in all three childhood, teenagehood and adulthood stages we,ve seen him in the different concerned chapters: when Itachi said they were constantly competing, when he said they awakened their Sharingan young and were prodidies even by Uchiha standards, when they killed their bestfriends or witnessed their death and so on. Izuna was too tall and looked too old to be 8 or 10 years younger than Madara. --GyoMasta (talk) 15:09, February 28, 2013 (UTC)GyoMasta
I agree with you, Elv and Cerez, on the wording. I, too, believe he means he had four brothers, but there is no indication as to how many died, IIRC (and I am looking at the page now). With that in mind, I believe Izuna is one of the four brothers. I cannot say for Japanese and that choice of wording, but it is very common in English to correct a statement like that because the important part of the sentence is the number 4, which is what, I would assume, Madara wanted to correct. But again, I don't know how Japanese handles its grammar. --184.108.40.206 (talk) 15:19, February 28, 2013 (UTC)
I've noticed it still says Madara had five brothers early in the 'background' section, I can't change it so someone else please do. I think it's clear now Izuna was one of the four brothers.--220.127.116.11 (talk) 22:48, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
Because scanlations screwed up chapter 522. Raws show Madara saying he had 5 brothers, not 4. I'm currently waiting on a translation request to see if what Madara said can in any way be interpreted as "We're 5 brothers". Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:22, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
Madara's current status
During Third Shinobi World War: Deceased During Fourth Shinobi World War: Alive (via Edo Tensei then cut the contract with it) —This unsigned comment was made by ScottKazama (talk • contribs) .
- Reanimated is not the same as alive and sign your posts. Arrancar79 (talk) 10:36, March 2, 2013 (UTC)
I was thinking "Deceased (Reincarnated)" would work, with "Reincarnated" linking to the Edo Tensei page. --M4ND0N (talk) 05:39, March 4, 2013 (UTC)
- Except that it will ruin up Property:Status of Madara.~ UltimateSupreme 08:43, March 4, 2013 (UTC)
? question ?
when the tailed beast ball shot by madara crosses the water and strikes the other shore, what continent or place is that. wouldnt that be the islands where the wave village use to be? or would it be some unknown continent...just realized in the middle of writing this that would entirely depend on which direction the tailed beast ball was shot —This unsigned comment was made by 22.214.171.124 (talk • contribs) .
- We don't know. Just another piece of land. Could even be the same, like opposite sides of a bay. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:51, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
ok thank you, kinda figured that would be my answer while typing the question.—This unsigned comment was made by 18.104.22.168 (talk • contribs) .
Neil Kaplan
When was Neil Kaplan confirmed for Madara's English voice actor in the series? The Fox King(email@example.com (talk) 03:39, March 6, 2013 (UTC))
- Game credits. Japanese cast at 7:30, English cast at 8:40. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 03:49, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
Itachi and Obito's statements
Since we don't know which one of Itachi or Obito's statements is the truth and some note has already been made elsewhere, I don't think we need to have anything in Madara's personality section about his taking of Izuna's eyes, since we can't without implicating one or the other of their statements. Anyone have any imput on the subject? The Fox King(email@example.com (talk) 23:19, March 7, 2013 (UTC))
- We know which one is true. Madara has been shown to be very caring and protective towards Izuna, therefore, it is more likely that Obito was telling the truth. Madara would never forcibly take Izuna's eyes from him given what we now know about him. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 23:32, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
I thought so too, but recently someone has been trying to start a revert war in Madara's personality section, putting something in there that points more to what Itachi said being true. For example saying that as he grew older and more responsibility was put on him, Madara desperately took Izuna's eyes to keep from going blind. This person claimed thats what was shown, when in fact he already was blind and therefore he would have needed his brother's consent wouldn't he? The Fox King(email@example.com (talk) 23:38, March 7, 2013 (UTC))
Infobox Image
I'm wondering, should we add a new Infobox Image seeing as the current one is flashback and we could get a better clearer one ?--Jean DaichouLoves Naruto 21:12, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
I see nothing wrong with it, actually he looks badass there--Elveonora (talk) 21:28, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
- A color image with him in armor/color would be preferable yes. But as of now we use what we got.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 22:25, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
Current image is fine. Maybe if we get a good flashback. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:00, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
This Production Art Sheet says Madara is..
Either 177cm tall or 179cm tall. I can't tell 100%.. http://i1151.photobucket.com/albums/o628/NiceBlueHat/Naruto/a1/Naruto--Sketches--madara.png 126.96.36.199 (talk) 20:21, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
- Considering I'm not finding this character sheet in Studio Pierrot's blog, I don't put much faith in that actually coming from them. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:38, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
Hey where did you get that Image then and Is It one of masashi's? because if Its not then I wouldn't trust the source --User:Jmootam1999Loves Naruto 18:44, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=17927 source--Elveonora (talk) 18:54, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
- I just shifted through the art and its official concept art from Kishimoto and Studio Pierrot. So, I vote that this is a credible source of information. Though, I'll leave this up to the admins. --KiumaruHamachi (talk) 13:21, April 2, 2013 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi
New full-body image
Should we change the full-body image used for the appearance section with the character art from Storm 3? He looks almost exactly the same as he did during Konoha's founding so it doesn't do much besides give the section a higher quality photo.
--M4ND0N (talk) 20:32, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
I'd advise you to not to use that picture my friend but I'm not too sure does the wikia generally place Images from the games onto character articles? -- Jmootam1999 20:41, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
Too cartoonish--Elveonora (talk) 20:42, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
The Naruto Uzumaki page does, in the appearance section it uses art from Generations. --M4ND0N (talk) 20:54, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
- Not so much how the image looks (though the hand would be better at his side). There's no need to change the image from the manga one that's there now.--Cerez365™(talk) 11:53, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
- Not to mention he's dead in that image.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 13:00, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
Lightning Release
Why isn't Lightning Release involved in his infobox? Since he has the Rinnegan shouldn't it be included? He hasn't used Water or Earth Release exactly, but they are included witht he Manga only citation. I know Wood Release includes Earth and Water, but when has he used Wind Release in the anime? Lightning should be included due to the Rinnegan. Banan14kab 06:32, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
- Rinnegan gives you the capacity to learn to use all basic transformations, that does not mean Madara has trained/opted to do so. Water and Earth are there because they are components of Wood Release, otherwise they wouldn't be there.--Cerez365™(talk) 11:56, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
He used Wind Release in an OVA of the anime from one of the games. The more recent games. Don't remember the exact name. The Fox King(email@example.com (talk) 16:54, April 2, 2013 (UTC))
So why does Nagato have all the basic chakra natures then? He hasn't demonstrated the ability to use all five. Banan14kab 19:44, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
He may of but It hasn't been shown In the series-- Jmootam1999 19:47, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
- Nagato was mentioned by Jiraiya to have mastered all chakra natures by age 10. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:58, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
Creation of All Things
Even tho most will likely disagree, Black Zetsu is a separate sentient individual (or was, in case he is dead by now 0_o) and what Madara did differs not to what Sage of Six Paths is known for, even calling zetsu creation as yin-yang release. Sage used Ten-Tail's chakra as a medium, his imagination to make form and breathed life into it, thus tailed beasts. Madara used white zetsu as a medium, used his mind/will and made a living black plant dude.--Elveonora (talk) 23:56, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
Bump--Elveonora (talk) 13:47, April 8, 2013 (UTC)
I would have to agree, on the grounds that He created [sentient] life... which is what Onmyoton basically amounts to.--Yomiko-chan (talk) 14:19, April 8, 2013 (UTC)
Yay, I'm not invisible!!! :) since Madara has powers of both Uchiha and Senju, Rinnegan, Yin-Yang release and the description fits, it doesn't appear to be anything but that.--Elveonora (talk) 14:45, April 8, 2013 (UTC)
Kinda thorn here. I see the similarity, but there's next to nothing about CoAT we know of. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:23, April 8, 2013 (UTC)
Zetsu was created using YYR, but BZ was created using Madara's will. I don't think that his will has anything to do with Yin or Yang. BZ is YYR+Will, but that's not what BS is, hm? BS is creating something out of nothing, but with WZ he already had something, he just needed to put his will into it. Also it was never said that the Sage used Jubi's chakra to create the Biju. Seelentau 愛議 16:59, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
Even tho he used white zetsu, black zetsu can separate from that half and act as an individual, he isn't just an extension of his body. Also I remember it stated Sage used Ten-Tail's chakra to make the Tailed Beasts, after all, they possess it's chakra. "Thus the Sage used this to purge the Ten-Tails's chakra from its body and split the energy into nine separate beings" this is what article says, unless you translate it otherwise.--Elveonora (talk) 17:17, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
Yes, he's more than just an extension. And the Sage did not use the Jubi's chakra for YYR, but YYR for the Jubi's chakra. That's a difference. Seelentau 愛議 20:08, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
Yes, that's what I'm talking about, I didn't want to imply that he had used the chakra itself for the technique, but as you said, applied the technique onto the chakra. The thing is, how does that differ from what Madara did?--Elveonora (talk) 20:42, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
It doesnt differ it at all. What do you suggest we do Elveonora? JaZZBaND (talk) 21:11, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
To add him as a user :-/ after all, the description fits and he is all qualified to do that (uchiha&senju powers/rinnegan) and ****--Elveonora (talk) 21:13, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
If you can word it properly, I agree. What he does, follows the same principal as the Sage. I say, do it.JaZZBaND (talk) 21:22, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
This needs extensive discussion before it may be added--Elveonora (talk) 21:45, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
I understand. I was just giving you my agreement. = ) JaZZBaND (talk) 21:49, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
Elveonora-senpai, I looked at Jazzy's little ,"will theory", and what if we were to combine the two? Like he does say in Chapter 606 that while connected to the Mazo Statue, he can create anything. In addition, everything he's done does fit the description of CoAT technique. Honestly, the "proof is in the pudding" if you ask me.-_-Jishaku Otoko (talk) 23:37, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
WZ was cultivated from Hashirama's cells, there's no BS involved. BZ was created by embedding will into WZ. Still no BS. I don't understand where you guys see BS here... Seelentau 愛議 08:11, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
Embodying will is turning thoughts into form, not to mention BZ is alive, again, how does that differ from BS?--Elveonora (talk) 12:14, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
Wait, what's "BS"? Is is Banbutsu Sozo? Anyhow, what about the fact that he ddid all this while having sharingan? Does that count for anything? Regardless, even though what we know about CoAT is not EXACTLY what Madara did, the prinicples still follow. Just as Elveo-senpai said, "Embodying will is turning thoughts into form". Your will = Imagination(Yin). Materializing it = application of yang. In action and use, they differ, but not the jutsu itself. In principle, they served the same person and have had similar results. White Zetsu was created from yang combined with the cells of Hashirama and the Gedo Statue (giving it a body/ life), while Black Zetsu was simply Y-Y Release. There's no difference here ppl. -_-' Jishaku Otoko (talk) 20:09, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
Yes, BS stands for Banbutsu Sōzō or at least in this context :P otherwise it refers to bull's feces, jk. Anyway, black zetsu was literary created from 'nothing" as will is a mental stuff and then given life, Rinnegan was never stated to be a requirement for BS, that's nothing but Narutopedia speculation, there are only: Deva Path,Asura Path,Human Path,Animal Path,Preta Path,Naraka Path,Outer Path neither of which BS is an ability of.--Elveonora (talk) 20:46, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for the clarification Elveo-senpai. What im not getting is this entire debate. Why in the world is it so farfetched that these two jutsu, or techniques, are the same? I mean, really, he practically is the only one who literally grew into what the sage was - the perfect combo of Senju and Uchiha DNA. Both, his and the sage's, jutsu follow the principle of creating something literally out of nothing. Simple as that. In this wikia, we have done this for a lot of other characters right? Like Mu and his Camo. technique or even Yamato and his Hiding in Rock technique. We assume that their techniques are those, although not entirely specified to be them. What is the similarities between Madara having the BS, Mu having Camo, and Yama having HiR technique? Their techniques follow a common principle with the techniques we've given them(except for Madara). Basically, if you get what I'm saying, by principle, along with keeping ourselves consistent, there is NO WAY Madara shouldn't be a user.Jishaku Otoko (talk) 22:13, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
Honestly guys, where's he room to truly refute Elveo's claim? Jishaku Otoko (talk) 00:11, April 16, 2013 (UTC)
I don't think there is much, but I guess people are wary of adding him since they may consider it to be unique to so6p or something, but Madara is "sage of six paths" even tho weaker--Elveonora (talk) 11:48, April 16, 2013 (UTC)
So wait, are we just leaving this discussion? This is one of the most important debates about Madara's abilities. Can we add even a lil' something from this talk?JaZZBaND (talk) 15:52, April 21, 2013 (UTC)
Madara Uchiha is a Sage
According to this chapter, Madara Uchiha is a Sage. His markings are similar to Hashirama's, except they are incomplete. Shouldn't it be added that he is a Sage?
184.108.40.206 (talk) 23:34, April 12, 2013 (UTC) Heiwa
Those are the creases under his eyeballsRiptide240 (talk) 00:08, April 13, 2013 (UTC)
No links. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:52, April 13, 2013 (UTC)
So omni what do u say is it good?Riptide240 (talk) 01:10, April 13, 2013 (UTC)
If Madara had been a Sage, I think we would have had a bit more focus on that. I didn't see anything in that image that made me think Madara was a Sage. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:41, April 13, 2013 (UTC)
Madara's "Will"
Ok, so I know that we talked about this for a while now, but I think im on to something here. I reread the chapter (606) by two different translators and websites and I watched Madara created Blk. Zetsu and the Chakra Receivers. I noticed on both translations that Madara specifically says that they are both " his will in given physical form". Speculation aside, I belief that it that is some form of yin-yang release manipulation. However, until we have more info, I think on his page we should say something like ".....the ability to mold his will into physical form while connected to the Gedo Statue." I say Gedo Statue b/c earlier, while showing Obito the Genjutsu, he says that he can create anything while connected to the statue. I mean it's accurate and factual in reference to the manga itself. What do you guys think? JaZZBaND (talk) 14:06, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
See the creation of all things topic 2 sections above, turning will into an actual thing or even a living one = creation of all things, nuff said...--Elveonora (talk) 14:25, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
He created Konohagakure's name. I would add it myself but anons aren't allowed to.126.96.36.199 (talk) 15:30, April 22, 2013 (UTC)
- It is already mentioned under Background. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 15:49, April 22, 2013 (UTC)
- Yet it is still his legacy. Kushina Uzumaki has such a section too even though everything written there is already mentioned elsewhere.22.214.171.124 (talk) 16:44, April 22, 2013 (UTC)
Not really, he didn't give a **** about the village, it's not like Konoha is his invention, not to mention generally we list events affected by a character's doing after his/her death in legacy section, nope?--Elveonora (talk) 19:21, April 22, 2013 (UTC)
wrong introduction into into Manga and Anime
I just noticed but some of the info in the info box relates to Obito, rather than Madara...... Madara's first appearance in the manga was chapter 559 (so Madara shouldn't be in the character part of the info box for the anime in episode 130, and for the manga 370)....... and he wasn't in the anime yet...... shouldn't that be edited??? esspesially considering that it's been a while since it was shown that Tobi and Madara were 2 different people now --Deathmailrock (talk) 05:54, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
Those are where we first saw him was in Jiraiya's battle with Pain. He was first mentioned and seen then. His info box photo was debuted in those chapters and episodes. The Fox King(firstname.lastname@example.com (talk) 02:32, April 25, 2013 (UTC))
But that wasn't Madara though, that was Obito pretending to be Madara, so it should be changed --188.8.131.52 (talk) 06:26, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
Yes, it was. Madara appeared in a flashback sort of way when Jiraiya was discussing the Nine-Tails' attack with Gerotora. The image that appears if of Madara himself, not Obito. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 14:03, April 25, 2013 (UTC)


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You are standing in a meadow,
it is lush green,
the kind people talk about
from the other side.
Life swells in pockets;
a city of daisies,
a bumblebee filling it's knees,
tall tulips swaying in the breeze,
a buried village in the undergrowth
ants, woodlice and centipedes.
Sunshine weighs heavy
on your back,
on your shoulders,
your eyes water
and you cannot understand
what has brought you here;
to the edge of life in colour,
swimming in jewelled flowers,
the taste of pollen on your lips,
petals embracing the sun
the smell of hope –
poisonous joy.
You could step forward,
bare foot, unguarded
risking your soul for a chance
to choose the flowers
you adorn your home with.
Behind you is a forest,
shadowy fingers lingering
about your waist
stretching toward your throat,
to regain a firm hold
on your senses and pull
you into the shade.
Life thrives here too, but unseen;
amber eyes becoming accustomed
to the night sky,
families burrow in the roots of great oaks,
hedgehogs find homes in autumn debris,
birds call and mate in the trees,
in the dust of your footsteps.
When you began, it was a stroll,
an amble into the unknown.
It grew dark with heavy boughs
as heavy as your chest,
threatening to end all light,
snuff out the life
under your collarbone.
At times you walked through clearings
and on the trees you saw her face,
theirs and mine
but never yours.
Now you're here, still standing
in a meadow
wondering what brought you
to this quiet place.
In the blue sky
there is the reflection of a man
beckoning you forward.
He is kind,
he dreams in orange and purple,
he believes in love,
he has led you here
past our faces embedded in bark
to see yours, for once,
in the blinding sun.
Kristiana Reed day dreams, people watches in coffee shops, teaches English and writes. She is a curator on Blood into Ink, a collective member of The Whisper and the Roar and blogs at My Screaming Twenties. She is 24 and is enjoying the journey which is finding her voice.

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The Netherlands: From National Identity to Plural Identifications
This report discusses the political debate surrounding national identity in the Netherlands against the backdrop of growing public anxiety about immigrants and their effect on local communities. While policies designed to mitigate these fears largely stress national identity and demand cultural assimilation, the report provides an alternative set of recommendations based on the notion of plural identification.
The report finds that new integration strategies advanced by the Dutch government since the official rejection of multiculturalism in 2004 pushes the notion of "culturalized citizenship" — the idea that being Dutch means adhering to a certain set of cultural and social norms — and places the onus on the minority to fit into the existing majority. The turn away from multiculturalism is reflected in policies that deny admission to prospective immigrants who fail a compulsory civic integration exam and limit social assistance to non-Dutch speakers, as well as in proposals seeking to prohibit dual citizenship and restrict attire associated with Islamic traditions.
Despite the prevalence of anti-immigrant political rhetoric, findings suggest that Dutch society is deeply polarized with respect to views toward immigrants. Public opinion surveys indicate that many citizens agree that the presence of different cultures represents a gain for society, while anti-immigrant views are seemingly concentrated among the less-educated with less cultural capital. Arguing that national governments ultimately cannot alleviate feelings of cultural insecurity nor govern globalization processes by defining identity in rigid, exclusionary terms, the author proposes a more fluid and open notion of national identity based on shared interests and experiences, norms and morals, and feelings of national pride. The report concludes that such means of plural identification with the Netherlands offer the most promising route to social cohesion.
I. Introduction
II. Polarization in the Netherlands
No Consensus on Views toward Immigrants
III. The Link between Cultural Insecurity and Politics
IV. Policy Response: National Identity and Cultural Assimilation
V. From National Identity to Plural Identities
A. Emotional Identification
B. Normative Identification
C. Functional Identification
VI. Conclusions


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FIFA President Joseph S. Blatter is attending the draw for the FIFA Confederations Cup Brazil 2013 on Saturday 1 December in Sao Paulo. Ahead of that, together with Secretary General Jérôme Valcke, he has taken some time to discuss football matters with journalists in Sao Paulo. FIFA.com summarizes some of the topics covered.
On the FIFA World Cup™
The FIFA World Cup is more than just a sporting event, it's the event every four years. There is no sport event that can be compared to the World Cup in regards to the international audience. This event has a history, where Brazil has played a very important part. They won it five times, now they host it. In my personal opinion, it will be a great World Cup.
*On the participating teams for the FIFA Confederations Cup *
It's like a present to have such a selection of great names for this competition. We have four World Champions, two from South America with Brazil and Uruguay, two from Europe with Italy and Spain. The Confederations Cup is not only a rehearsal for the World Cup, it's a high level competition.
On the Infrastructure
I'm sure everything will be ready, it's not the first time that I've been involved in the organization of a FIFA World Cup. There have always been problems here and there, but in the end, we had a great event.
On Ronaldos role in the LOC and his possible candidature for the CBF presidency
I'm always happy when former footballers are taking time and energy to work for football. It's great for him as it's added value to his life, to be involved in the organization. It would look good if former footballers were be at the head of the big entities, if they bring along the necessary experience. With the experience he is getting through this World Cup, he is on a good track.
It's like a present to have such a selection of great names for this competition. The Confed Cup is not only a rehearsal for the World Cup, it's a high level competition.
On the image of FIFA and the changes made after the Congress 2011
We are in a reform process, which we started in 2011. We shall have a better transparency and have started to implement the decisions taken. The only one we still have to implement is the change of statutes. The whole football family is supporting it and we are on a good track. This Ethics Committee should be on all levels, it needs to go down to all the 209 national associations, then football can deal with matters even outside the field of play. Discipline, respect and fairplay must not only be applied just on the field of play but also off it.
On Neymars chances of being in the Top 3 for the Ballon d'Or
The actuality of football is in the big European leagues, you have a concentration of stars. If you look at the nominees, this proves to be fact, but is unfortunate for a player like Neymar. Coaches, captains and the media are deciding on the short list, it's not easy.
On the use of technology
We have two accurate Systems available and will use these in this year's FIFA Club World Cup. If there is no failure, the plan is to use one of the two systems at the Confed Cup next year. We will only use goal-line systems, as we don't want any other technology items on the field of play, because we would take away the fascination of our game.
On a introduction of a "Mondialito" - a tournament with the former FIFA World Cup winners
It's true that FIFA played a Mondialito in 1981 with six teams. But the international calender is already overcharged. Players are playing up to 80 matches per year. When do they recover or have holidays? We must be realistic and not add more games or Tournaments.
FIFA Secretary General Jerome Valcke on the stadiums' progress
We have one stadium, which needs to speed up the process, which is Manaus. The delivery date for the World Cup is December 2013. For the other stadiums, we are on track. But I would say that with 99 per cent if not 100 per cent, we will play the World Cup in the 12 stadiums as planned.


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Crew members at NBC reality TV series "Fashion Star" walked off the set over the lack of a union contract — resulting in two days of canceled shoots.
Producers halted shooting Saturday and Sunday. About 75 crew members and supporters picketed Saturday at Hollywood Center Studios, including Matthew Loeb, president of the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees, and West Coast IATSE motion picture topper Mike Miller.
"The Locals are in close contact with the 60-plus crew, who remain united in their desire for health and pension benefits," IATSE organizer Vanessa Holtgrewe told Variety. "Hopefully, the company reaches out soon so that the crew can go back to work and the show can get back on schedule."
IATSE successfully organized reality TV series "The Biggest Loser" in 2010.
"Fashion Star" includes Jessica Simpson, Nicole Richie and John Varvatos as judges. Show is produced by Electus, Magical Elves Prods. and 5X5 Media.
Representatives for NBC had no comment. Reps for the producers could not be immediately reached for comment.
Holtgrewe said IATSE will be picketing "Fashion Star" Monday at Hollywood Center Studios and at the Magical Elves offices.


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Check. Basketball? Check. Tennis? Check. Soccer? Umm...wait....Check.
by StewXX
05, 2005 - There
is something to be said for the quality of Nintendo
games that feature its flagship character Mario. He's
involved in several generic-style games from kart
racers to pinball and from to golf to tennis. And
now with Super Mario Strikers, Mario's prepared to
take his fans out to the ballgame - as long as you
know that this ballgame is soccer.
Mario franchise has proven itself over the years to
be a very consistent series that delivers arcade-style
gameplay with a level of quality and fun that few
companies can maintain. Super Mario Strikers delivers
the fun, especially in the multi-player mode but the
overall quality of the game suffers in the graphic
departments. Textures tend to look blocky and blurry
and there is a lot of slowdown which actually interferes
with the gameplay. As far as options and modes go
- there isn't many. The overall breadth of this game
is one of restrictive functionality. There are just
enough modes and features to cover the bases, so to
speak, but it fails to hit a homerun. Sorry, I can't
get the baseball analogies out of my head - without
a hammer.
include such luminaries as Mario, Luigi, Daisy, Peach,
Donkey Kong, Yoshi, Wario, and Waluigi. Pick one as
a team captain and then chose a second banana such
as Koopas, Toads, Hammer Bros and Birdos and the rest
of your team will be made up of somewhat generic characters
from the Mushroom Kingdom. There is no story mode
which in this case would just drag down the pace which
is quite energetic and frenetic.
is a lot more taking place here than just a standard
soccer match. This is like a Warner Bros. soccer match,
complete with cartoon violence, weapons, evil schemes,
gags and explosives. These cartoon features don't
overpower the game, they actually enhance it. The
soccer gameplay itself is solid with a very responsive
control system and a minimum series of moves. The
move list never increases so you use the power-ups
and cartoon gags strategically to turn the tide of
battle or further oppress your losing opponents.
include running, jukeing, passing, lobbing, kicking
and a handful of trick moves. When playing defense
you can slam players into the electrified fence and
cause them to drop the ball while they display some
shocking animation - as a result of sucking up some
current. Power-ups are awarded to the teams that need
them the most. The CPU knows when you're getting a
crap-kicking and it helps you compensate for your
bad beats by giving you a helping hand.
the ball with one press of the button is the most
basic way to score but it's not a guaranteed method
of acquiring points. The best way to assure yourself
of scoring is to press down the shoot button and hold
it in until a swing-o-meter appears. It displays the
power of your shot as it continues to load while you
hold the button. Release the button when the meter
swings into the timed area and you'll launch a virtually
unstoppable Superstrike. Not only do you have to time
these shots just right, but you have to make sure
that no opposing player tackles you or pushes you
during the process. Superstrike plays are worth two
points as opposed to one.
the ball and the player is relatively easy thanks
to the great ball physics and the forgiving ball-magnetism
that keeps the ball attached to the handler. Just
move the player along with the stick and out of the
reach of the opposing team. That may not be as easy
as it sounds especially if the other team has some
turbo power-ups in which case they can gain on you
in seconds. Teams can also release booby traps in
the form of banana peels, explosives, spiked shells
and even a large Chain Chomp. This works both ways
and is dependant on the qualities of your team leader.
When it comes to bananas you know that Donkey Kong
is the one responsible for littering the playfield
with slippery peels.


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Reel Asian's Heather Keung has an installation coming up at the Museum of Contemporary Canadian Art (MOCCA). Come out and support!
The Good Host, April 17 – May 22, 2011
Curated by Su-Ying Lee. With works by Michael Connor & Heather Keung, Atom Deguire, Janis Demkiw, Corwyn Lund & Duncan MacDonald
Blackwood Gallery Opening Reception & Bus Tour
Sunday April 17, 12 to 3pm
FREE Shuttle Bus departs from the Museum of Contemporary Canadian Art (MOCCA, 952 Queen Street West) at 12noon for Blackwood Gallery (UTM), Metro Hall (Toronto) and returning to MOCCA by 3pm. Artists in attendance.


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Oysters Casino
Oysters Casino
From Tyler Florence
- 4 strips bacon
1 stick unsalted butter, at room temperature
2 cloves garlic, minced
1/4 cup roughly chopped shallots
1/4 cup roughly chopped red bell pepper
1/4 cup roughly chopped celery
2 sprigs fresh oregano, leaves picked
2 sprigs fresh thyme, leaves picked
2 teaspoons lemon zest and juice
1/4 teaspoon dried red chili flakes
Kosher salt and freshly ground black pepper
1 dozen large (approximately 4 inches) West Coast oysters on the half shell
1/4 bunch flat-leaf parsley, finely chopped for garnish
- Preheat oven to 425 degrees F.
- Lay bacon out on a roasting pan in a single layer and bake for 10 minutes until just crispy — remember they will be going back into the oven with the oysters so you don't want to finish the bacon just yet.
- While the bacon is cooking, place the butter, garlic, shallots, bell pepper, celery, lemon zest and juice, oregano, thyme, and chili flakes in a food processor; pulse until well combined, but still has texture. Season with salt and pepper, to taste.
- Remove bacon from oven and cut up into pieces.
- Lay oysters in their half shells out on a large roasting pan in a single layer (you can use rock salt or a sheet of crumpled foil to steady them). Place 1 tablespoon of the casino butter mixture on top of each oyster and place a piece of bacon on each.
- Bake oysters in the hot oven until bubbly, approximately 10 to 12 minutes. Finish with finely chopped, fresh flat-leaf parsley and serve.
Serves 4-6.
- Category
- Seafood, Appetizers
- Cuisine
- North American


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DayStar Electronics necesitaba un nuevo diseño de página web y lanzó un concurso de diseño en 99designs.
Un ganador ha sido elegido entre 40 diseños de 20 diseñadores freelance.
DayStar Electronics
We are a electronic business that sells netbooks, and touch screen devices similar to the iPad.
eBay shoppers, electronic consumers, wholesalers
I need a template to use on eBay. eBay allows sellers to use HTML so that sellers can have a nice webpage-style layout.
I would like to have a template to look like this seller's template:
Of course, I would need to use some different colors. I have a logo. Perhaps we can use the blue/green colors from the logo? I've attached my logo to the project below.
Notice the rectangle red, green, and blue graphics at the top of the template. I would like something similar to the "ship within 24 hours" graphic. In place of the other two graphics, I would like one to say "USA Seller. Ships from Dallas, TX."
I would also like a graphic that says "Each netbook is tested by IT professionals prior to shipment"
I am open to other ideas. If you have a different idea for the layout and colors, don't hesitate to implement them into the design.
As far as the rest of the template....I will need to use 10-15 product images. Perhaps a image gallery can be implemented? I'll also have a lot of description, so I'll need space for that.
Also, I need sections for my policies titled; "Disclaimers", "Shipping", "Payment", "Returns & Warranty"


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Oh, Willy Shakespeare, how you perfectly encapsulate every Rizzles fangirls' feelings about Jane and Maura at this very moment. Because, if you think about it, we really ask for so little from this show. We ask for it to give us two strong female lead characters and let them be friends who are independent and interesting and have better things to do with their time than moon over boys together. This isn't Sweet Valley High, folks. But instead, smack! Big Blue Sedan of Boycrazy hits us like a freight train. Metaphor, my friends, is everything.
*Minus, of course, the upcoming discovery of child abuse, sexual assault and general pervyness.
Jane and Maura are in their running outfits. Can we take a moment to thank the costume department for all that spandex. Let's be grateful for the things we can be grateful for this week. Like dat ass in in those pants. Can I get an amen?
Jane has hurt her ankle on their morning jog together. Or so we're led to believe. I mean, we didn't see it happen. Who is to say it wasn't hurt earlier that morning doing other sorts of physical activities. These activities can be very physically demanding and are not always performed horizontally. Changing positions can really spice things up. And, occasionally, place undue pressure on one's ankles.
Jane doesn't want Maura to call 911 because it's just a sprained ankle. Also, she probably doesn't want to explain what they were up to when she twisted her ankle. Maura helps her gimpy girl get up on her feet, with much whimpering and moaning – but not the good kind like in the morning. Maura insists Jane see a doctor, but Jane is all, "What is the point of having a genius doctor girlfriend if I can't get her to look at my boo boos?"
Well, the woman has a point. Maura gets on her knees in front of Jane. Yes, please, feel free to pause that frame and insert your own storyline. We'll wait. I haven't sorted out my sock drawer in a while. I think it might be time for a mass sock orphans funeral. Damn that other dimension filled with mismatched single socks. Oh, you're done. Good, where were we?
Oh, Jane is being a baby about her injury. She tells Maura she doesn't need to go to the ER. She tells Maura she hates her. She tells Maura to please stop touching it. You see, these things can get so swollen. So, so swollen. We're still talking about her ankle, right?


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Spot of Tea: Le Palais des Thés Grand Yunnan Imperial
This smooth and earthy Chinese tea has buttery flavors and hints of cocoa—it's mouthfilling, satisfying, and stands up well to multiple infusions. Brewed in a gaiwan, it's light on the tannins—a delicate black tea but not a wimp. The first round comes out lush and soft, the second deeper, wrapped in dark-caramel flavors, with a bit more malty grassiness coming out in subsequent steepings, then circling around, growing velvety and fruity. This is a tea you can reinfuse all afternoon.
It's delicious in the morning with a bran muffin or rustic scone, or later with yakitori or soba noodles, a hunk of aged gouda or a gingersnap.
$12 for 100 gram pouch, available online. Sample provided for review consideration.


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LAWRENCVILLE - New Jersey is gearing up for two very special sporting events scheduled for 2014, and although the famed Super Bowl is expected to kick-start the year with a spectacular presentation, the MIDJersey Chambers of Commerce expects the momentum will continue through the 2014 USA Special Olympic Games scheduled for June.
'We expect between $50 million to $70 million in revenue should be generated during the weeklong event,' said Robert D. Prunetti, President and CEO of MJCC. The partnership between the MJCC and The Special Olympics, announced Thursday morning, sealed the MJCC's pledge to serve as a catalyst for business involvement in the region it serves.
'This partnership is a win for everyone involved. Aligning with the Chamber's mission of social responsibility, businesses can donate and volunteer at the 2014 Games through the Chamber,' said Prunetti. 'The MIDJersey Chamber will be the resource for athletes, coaches, families and volunteers participating in the Games. Our members will experience first-hand the economic impact that this event will bring to our mid-Jersey region.'
The games, which have been played in midwest regions of the country in the past, will be hosted in a majority of Mercer County locations, starting June 14 through June 21, 2014. Twenty delegates, from all over the country, which include over 3,000 athletes, 1,000 coaches, 10,000 volunteers and over 70,000 spectators are expected to flood the area. 'This is a great tremendous thing for the athletes and for the businesses in this area,' said Tom Varga Senior VP of Sponsorships for the 2014 Special Olympics Games.
The association, in anticipation of the increased visitors to the area, which will inevitably lead to an increase in the volume of traffic on local roads and highways, has begun researching and proposing ways to minimize the impact of more cars in the region. 'We've received great cooperation from the state and we have a logistics expert working on (potential traffic issues),' said Varga.
According to Varga, experts are working closely with officials who are devising a plan to alleviate possible traffic nightmares during the Super Bowl, scheduled four months earlier in the Meadowlands.
'We want these to be the games of welcome and acceptance,' said TJ Nelligan, Chairman & CEO of the 2014 Special Olympics USA Games Organizing Committee, 'The MIDJersey Chamber of Commerce is making sure everyone has the opportunity to enjoy not just the Games, but all that the region has to offer. In light of recent events, we feel these Games give the resilient citizens of New Jersey something to look forward to and be proud to host.'
The MJCC will also serve as the Presenting Sponsor of the Special Olympics Unified Sports® Festival scheduled for the Friday of the Games, prior to Closing Ceremonies. This event is a 'call to action' event where sports activities are organized to include community members in interactive play with the athletes. The event will bring to life the inclusive message of the Games.


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Voters Remain In Neutral As Presidential Campaign Moves Into High Gear
About this Survey
Results for this survey are based on telephone interviews conducted under the direction of Princeton Survey Research Associates International among a nationwide sample of 1,509 adults, 18 years of age or older, from February 7-11, 2007. For results based on the total sample, one can say with 95% confidence that the error attributable to sampling is plus or minus 3 percentage points. For results based on Form 1 (N=740) and Form 2 (N=769) the sampling error is plus or minus 4 percentage points.
In addition to sampling error, one should bear in mind that question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of opinion polls.


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Miscellaneous thoughts about miscellaneous matters
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Updated 10-08-2019 at 07:01 PM by PeterL
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Updated 09-12-2018 at 10:26 AM by PeterL
It is an old maxim of mine that when you have excluded the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. (From The Adventure of the Beryl Coronet by Arthur Conan Doyle)
Doyle presented an interesting idea, but I have to take exception to it; although it may just be a result of how we think of probability. There are some things that are possible that are so improbable that they might as well be impossible. It is easy to look at normal probability distributions
Now that it has been demonstrated that effects that were previously thought to exist on the Quantum scale also exist on the macro scale we will have to figure out how to use those effects. It is likely that the effects were first noticed in very small things, because it is easier to apply the conditions on very small things. There probably is a way to entangle the particles of a human with something else, but it will be more difficult than it was with a pair of diamonds. And how will we get one