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2013 F10 M5 European Delivery Review
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Greetings all,
I have just returned from my European Delivery trip and I would like to take a substantial amount of time today and write a complete and thorough review of the 2013 F10 M5 (U.S. Spec) coming from an American point of view. I am writing as an American who did European Delivery and was able to take the 2013 F10 M5 through all of its paces. I accepted it as a brand new car with 1 mile on it and drove it all of the way to 2051 miles during my Euro Delivery trip in only 6 days of driving. I brought my longtime friend and trusted BMW Service Advisor Natasha, with me for the trip. We drove it through almost every condition, including: city driving, driving in the rain, highway driving, driving in the mountains, driving through the snow, driving it for very long stretches of time on the highway, and most importantly driving it on the track. I did launch it from a dig also, but I did not use launch control. During my 2051 miles of driving, I also tested out every single button and feature of the entire car, so I would be able to review it. I would also like to point out that I am a long time M5 veteran. I had an E60 M5 that I modified into a full RPi Stage 2, making about 600hp to the crank and about 450tq to the crank. I also had lowering springs, sway bars; I programmed the SMG, and always ran Michelin PS2's on it to name a few other mods. It was a very fast and extremely well handling car that I thought could not be surpassed. However, you will be much surprised to find out the result at the end of this review compared to my F10 M5. Henceforth, this review will be different from every one you have every read because it is coming from someone who has owned and driven an M5 for many years and from someone who put some real miles and time on the M5, rather than those car magazine reporters who get to use the M5 for 24 hours and write a short review about it. So let's begin!
First I would like to start off by saying that the F10 M5 is a very different car before and after the Break-In Service is completed. So for those of you who own the M5 and are reviewing it before Break-In Service is complete, you will find that it is a much more capable car than you have so far realized. I'll get to the Break-In Servicing more later on though.
I was one of the lucky few who picked up my new 2013 F10 M5 at 9am on September 1st 2012 at the BMW Welt. The M5 was in pristine condition when I took delivery of it and only had 1 mile on it. I chose a triple black combination, going for Sapphire Black Metallic exterior color, Black Full Merino Leather, and Piano Black trim. The options I got were the following:
- Full Merino Leather
- Piano Black Trim
- 20" Wheels
- Executive Package
- Bang & Olufsen Sound system
I did not get the following options:
- Rear Seat Entertainment
- Night Vision
- Drivers Assistance Package
I did not opt for the Rear Seat Entertainment because I do not have kids and even if I did, an Apple iPad is a much better investment with the rear seat mounts for it. The Night Vision I did not have any use for either because I do not live in a dark forests or anything like that back in San Diego. I didn't get the Drivers Assistance Package because I figured I didn't really need it on a day to day basis. I am a very good driver and I thought that none of the features in the Drivers Assistance Package would benefit me for what I would be using the M5 for back home. However, I did find that I sometimes wished I had ordered it during my long drives across Europe, especially the Lane Departure Warning System. I found myself struggling to stay awake during certain parts of the long drives across Eastern France for example, where there wasn't much scenery to look at, and having the LDWS would have been nice in keeping me awake.
Before I completed the Break-In Service I adhered to the limits of the Break-In Period of max RPM's of 5,500rpm and max Speed of 105mph precisely. Keeping within the Break-In limits is important to ensure longevity of the M5 throughout its lifespan. This is all I will say about this for now.
Doing European Delivery and having the BMW Welt experience in its own is another story worth writing about, so I will not indulge too much there and instead concentrate on the important aspects that pertain to the performance of the F10 M5 throughout the European Delivery experience. Taking delivery of the M5 was an event to say the least however. Before arriving at the BMW Welt on the morning of September 1st, I had only ever seen 2 F10 M5's in person before that; one at the LA Auto show in 2011 and the other one at Bimmerfest 2012. I even made it a point to avoid going to a BMW dealership after the BMW F13 M6 Convertible had made it stateside so as to avoid spoiling the experience of hearing the exhaust note for the first time. So when I pushed the start button for the first time on my M5 at the Welt, hearing the cold start of the exhaust was a humbling experience to put it lightly. I'll admit it, my eyes watered up a little after I started up the Beast for the first time on the Welt floor. I knew that this exhaust note was the sound of my own new M5 and not anybody else's. That's a powerful feeling. My delivery representative then started showing me a few features of the M5. Some I already knew about and some I did not already know. For example, he told me that with the electric parking brake, if the driver becomes incapacitated while the vehicle is moving, the passenger can stop the car buy activating the electric parking brake. Pretty cool! He then showed me how to use the European Maps for the iDrive and where to attach the connectors in the engine bay in case a jump start was needed. Of note, is that the European Maps use up the USB port in the center console, so you are unable to play music through your iPod or iPhone from a USB cable and have to use Bluetooth instead. Unfortunately he wouldn't let me stay in the Welt for very long after the delivery was completed because of the rest of the 28 deliveries taking place that day. They needed to get the M5's moving along. We snapped a few pictures and then did our 2 EPIC victory laps around the Welt with Chris Brown's "Forever" blasting out of the Bang and Olufsen sound system with all the windows and moonroof down. We created quite the spectacle!
After we took delivery of my brand new F10 M5, we stayed in Munich on September 1st in order to continue to rest up from our jet lag and to also hang with the other people accepting M5 deliveries that day. This was the first opportunity we got to test the capabilities of the M5 in the city streets of Munich and in the rain. For the entire first day of M5 ownership, I only used D1 and kept all of the settings on comfort and efficient modes. I was brand new to driving around Europe and took extra care in paying attention to driving in Europe rather than driving an M5 in Europe. So suffice to say that we didn't push the Beast at all the first day, but it was good because we got to obtain a feel for the level of luxury that the M5 has to offer. The ride quality with EDC set to comfort is very very good. I would not put it on par with the softness that a pure luxury car like a Lexus has only because of the stiff Michelin Pilot Super Sports. The first thing that I noticed while driving away from the Welt on city streets is the sound in the cabin from the tires. You can really hear the road beneath you in the cabin. The steering in Comfort Mode was very nice as well. The level of resistance is perfect for low speed maneuvering and even at low speeds you can feel every crack and crevice in the streets through the steering wheel. The steering wheel feels amazingly connected to the roads, and I think a lot of that has to do with the Michelin PSS's. With the Throttle Response set to Comfort in City Street driving, it is very comfortable as well. You feel like you are driving a regular luxury BMW almost.
Like I said it was raining in Munich our entire time there on August 31st and September 1st. The rain wipers worked great, as did the autowipe. I did not mash the throttle at all on the wet streets and at no time did I see the DSC light flash on and off by giving it too much gas pedal. The Angel Eyes and the Headlights worked very well in the rain as well. They are both very bright and make it easy to see at night. On our way back to the hotel from the Welt, we tested out the seat heaters in the front seats and the back seats. They both get very hot in the highest setting. I found that the lowest setting was good enough for me, while my passenger liked the middle setting. When we exited the Welt and hit the streets I could immediately notice the engine sound from the car. At first it was really tough to determine what sound was real and what sounds were being produced by the speakers. As time went on throughout our 6 days of driving I became more adept in noticing at what points the speakers were making the engine note and what was real. I will say that after driving the M5 for 2051 miles, the fake sound does not bother me at all. It really only is most prevalent at low rpm's but it sounds so good though! If you were to drive the M5 with the windows down you would have a much tougher time discerning which sound is real and which sound is fake because you can also hear the exhaust note.
Later on in the day, another M5 delivery guy and I decided to go for a drive around Munich and then meet with more people for dinner. We hit the Autobahn briefly but kept the M5's in the right lanes. We had Mini's flying by us at 140+. It was kind of funny. My first experience on the highway made me realize that the M5 is really not as quiet as I think the E60 M5 was on the highway. I believe that there is a lot of road noise that transfers into the cabin from the Michelin Pilot Super Sports on the F10 M5. Additionally, you hear more whine from the DCT and Differential than you got from the E60 M5. Concerning the DCT, I like it. No wait, I LOVE IT! I was always a proponent of the SMG III in the E60 M5 and I still believe that it is one of the greatest and most fun transmissions I have ever used. Mostly because of S6 mode, however the DCT is just light years ahead of the SMG III. I tested out all 6 modes of the DCT in almost all driving conditions. The D modes are completely usable now, and are what I used a lot of the time driving around in Europe, especially when I had to pay attention more to where I was going and not hitting other cars. The shifts are literally seamless. Often times I found myself not knowing what gear I was in because I couldn't feel the gearshifts at all. In D1, the DCT shifts the gears pretty conservatively, although it's not as bad as in a F30 3 Series with an automatic transmission that keeps the revs below 2,000 rpm the whole time. D2 mode is a little more aggressive and I found myself using D2 mode when I wanted to accelerate a little faster occasionally. In D2 mode it will let the gear changes go all of the way up to 7th gear also, but it just doesn't get to 7th gear as fast as D1 does. D3 mode is absolutely AWESOME! It's great if you want to keep the rev's higher on the city streets, on the highway, and is also very good on the track. In D3 mode you will hardly ever see 7th gear, if at all. For the S modes, it's almost a completely different story and is very fun. I found that S1 mode is great for slow city driving, but a little too slow for the highway. The shifts in S1 are slower and buttermilk smooth. S2 mode is a little more aggressive is great for highway driving and city driving alike. S3 mode is RIDICULOUS! The shifts are literally so fast that even before you finish pushing or pulling the shift knob or using the paddle shifter the DCT has already changed gears. It's like the DCT knows that you are going to change gears even before you do. It's that fast! Consequently I found that using S3 in slow city driving was just not usable. The shifts are just too fast, and you almost get the old SMG III clunkiness effect from the E60 M5.
So the next day on September 2nd, we left Munich early in the morning and our final destination was Portofino, Italy. Our route would take us though the Alps of Austria then through northern Italy and then down to the Italian coast. That's a lot of driving for one day and it took us 13 hours to get there. It didn't help that we hit 2 traffic jams on the Autostrada just before Parma.
When we left Munich, it was still quite rainy and wet and once again I kept the M5 settings to D1 on the DCT and everything else in comfort and efficient. As we approached the first mountains of the Alps in Austria I set the DCT to D2 in order to better cope with the elevation changes of the mountain roads we would be driving on. We reached the beginning of the Grossglockner Pass in Austria, paid our 32 Euro toll, and were on our way to driving some of the most beautiful and scenic mountain roads in all of Europe. We did not expect there to still be snow up in the high Alps, but that's what we got. The mountain roads were all pretty clear of snow, but there were a few patches that we drove though. Even with all of the settings set to comfort, driving on the mountain roads of the Grossglockner Pass was epic. The M5 handled every turn with precision and although I wasn't going very fast around the bends there really wasn't very much body roll despite the heft and size of the F10 chassis. Again, I kept the DCT in D2 for the entire drive pretty much, I really didn't want to risk over revving past the Break-In limits during our drive up and down the mountains. After we concluded our drive in the mountains we experienced some of the most beautiful roads in Austria as we made our way to the border of Italy. We stopped in Linz to get gas and I even had the M5 washed for the first time. Ironically, when we pulled in there was a guy with a Black E63 M6. I snapped some pictures for comparison. Both Beasts looked beautiful together! I'll never get over that V10.
The rest of the drive all of the way down to Portofino was kind of uneventful. Like I said we drove 13 hours that day. The front seats in the M5 did their job and were quite comfortable. My back was only a little stiff, as were my legs. I used the butt massager feature that comes with the Executive Package a few times to help keep me awake. Honestly the Italian Autostrada near the coast is a very exciting highway. We were on it late at night and there were virtually no other cars around. There are a lot of tunnels in that region and I did keep the DCT in D2 the whole time, but I was cruising around 90 to 100mph through the curvy highways. Very fun!
We finally got to Portofino late at around 9pm. We checked into our hotel, and then I asked the desk clerk if I could park the M5 in the hotel parking. She said yes but the lot was closed and I would have to let myself in. This was my first experience maneuvering the F10 M5 in a tightly confined space. You see in order for me to get to the parking lot, I had to drive the M5 down an extremely tight alleyway and then open the gate for the lot, and then inside the lot there was very little space to maneuver to park the car because there were many other cars parked in the tiny lot. The alleyway was so tight I had to fold the side view mirrors in and only cleared each side by about an inch. Once inside the parking lot, I basically had to Austin Powers the M5 into the parking spot. This is one moment when I wish I had gotten the Drivers Assistance Package with the Surround View Cameras. The Front and Rear Sensors did their job as well as the Backup Camera, but it was close! Maneuvering the M5 without those would have been impossible.
The next day we explored Portofino and then departed the area along the Italian coast for Monaco. The streets around Portofino are super tight and driving on them with opposing traffic was at times treacherous. Back in San Diego, I also own a little Black Fiat 500. While I was driving the streets of Portofino I wished I was in my Fiat instead so that I wouldn't have to worry about the M5 being hit by other cars.
Our drive to Monaco was uneventful but exciting at the same time. We were having a blast driving along the Mediterranean Sea. I was still keeping the all of the settings on comfort and the DCT in D2. It was a short drive, but when we got to Monaco, it was back to tight streets. Definitely a few butt clenching moments driving around with the side mirrors folded again. Driving around in Monaco was definitely an experience and driving around there in an F10 M5 was equally unique. There were no other M5's in Monaco, I only ever saw an E92 M3 there as far as ///M's go. So we did get a lot of looks and stares and picture takers of our car. I felt totally like a rock star! After driving around Monaco like a lost tourist we finally found our hotel and checked into the Port Palace Hotel right there on JFK boulevard, which overlooks the Marina and the F1 Grand Prix track/street. I had the hotel wash the car for me for 70 Euro and they did a fantastic job! While were we're driving in Portofino and Italy it was very stormy and rainy and a lot of grass got caught up in the wheel wells, and they cleaned all that grass out. We saw tons of exotics while in Monaco. My favorites included a Yellow Enzo, an Audi RS4 Convertible. A Matte Red Gallardo Spyder, an Audi RS4 Avant, and even a Fiat Abarth!
The next day we departed Monaco for our second extremely long drive of the trip, which was all of the way up to Luxembourg. We took the French highway through Marseille and then all of the way through Eastern France. We stopped several times on the way up and the most exciting stop was in Lyon France. Lyon is a beautiful city and we stopped there for lunch and were able to get some great shots of the M5 with the French city buildings in the background. I kept the M5 in D2 and everything in comfort for the entire drive up to Luxembourg still. We used the seat coolers extensively this day also. One interesting thing to note about the seat coolers is that if put them on full blast, 3 blue lights, it stays like that for a while, but then automatically goes to the middle setting, 2 blue lights. I tested this several times, and at first I thought that I was going crazy. I was like, I know I put it on 3 blue lights, why is it on 2 blue lights now?! The seat coolers work WAY better than in the E60 M5 also. They really help to cool your butt and back.
The most eventful thing that happened to us while on the boring French highway was an Audi R8 V10 Coupe caught up to us and played around a little with us on the open French highway. I was still observing Break-In Limits so not much fun was to be had unfortunately, but we gave the R8 driver a good smile.
Just outside of Metz we hit a terrible traffic jam and were stuck on the highway without moving an inch for about 40 minutes. This was the first time I decided to mess around with the Start-Stop function of the engine. I am not 100% sure about this but I think for the 2013 model M5's, BMW has made it so that when you first start up the M5, the Auto Start-Stop is disabled. If you want to use it, you have to push the button to turn it on. I had read before that it was automatically on when you first started the engine and then if you switched the DCT to the S Mode the Start-Stop would be then disabled. This was NOT the case on my M5. We used the function for about 30 minutes while it was still bumper to bumper traffic and the car was slowly moving. It is a little annoying, but the engine is pretty smooth whenever it starts back up. So far I think I like the system.
We made it to our hotel in Luxembourg at around 9pm and put the M5 to sleep for the night. In the morning we woke up early once again, had breakfast and hit up a few awesome forest roads in Luxembourg before we left for Trier, Germany. We had an appointment for the M5's "well baby check up." At this point we had about 1,350 miles on the car.
About a month before we left for Euro Delivery, I emailed the BMW Dealership in Trier, Germany about them completing our Break-In Service for me. I told them that I would be bringing a new F10 M5 in and wanted to get the service done. They told me that they needed the Chassis number or for us Americans that's the VIN number and that once they had that, then they could order the parts which took a couple of days to get to the dealership. They told me that they don't keep the parts in stock there at the dealership, although I wasn't clear on what parts they needed. I said ok, and when my M5 went into production I obtained the Chassis number and sent it to them.
We arrived at the BMW Dealership in Trier, Germany and dropped the M5 off. There was a bit of a language barrier, as my German and their English were both rudimentary, but we made sure everything was clear for the Break-In Service. They gave us a 520d loaner for 42 Euro and we went and did some sightseeing in Trier, while they worked on the car. They said it would be done in 4 hours and when arrived back at the dealership, the M5 was ready to go.
The way it works with any servicing done in Europe on a U.S. Spec BMW is that you have to pay out of pocket for the servicing. When you get back to the U.S. you just bring your invoice and receipt to your local BMW dealership and they will reimburse you for the warranty work. Not a big deal. The Break-In Service ended up costing me about $350 Euro including the loaner car. I would also like to make a quick note about the loaner 520d that they gave us. It was a 2011 German Spec 520d and everything was set to German obviously. I had to fill it up with a little diesel before we gave it back and we had to use the iDrive to navigate around Trier. 2 things I noticed about it compared to my 2013 M5. For the diesel engine, that thing is pretty awesome. It didn't have much power, but it still had good torque and I hooned it a couple of times on the street to feel the performance. The diesel engine in it combined with the size of the fuel tank gave it what I calculated to be over a 700 mile range!!! Second, the iDrive was the older version compared to what we have in the new 2013 M5's. After trying to navigate around Trier with the older iDrive, I have to say that it felt antiquated compared to our newer versions. For example, on the Nav when you zoom in and out on the 520d, the map would zoom in and out frame by frame and was a little slow. In the M5, the zoom in and out is smooth and fast, it does not go frame by frame. Oh yeah plus I love the startup screen in the M5 how it shows the ///M logo as well as the ///M logo in the HUD on startup. Very cool! In conclusion I almost couldn't navigate with the iDrive in the 520d because I had already gotten used to the one in the M5. So I will say that our wait for the new iDrive was definitely well worth it!
Before driving off from the BMW Dealership I talked with the Service Assistant, the Service Advisor, and the Technician about the Break-In Servicing. I made sure that they did in fact use 10W-30 oil for the engine. They only changed the Engine Oil and the Transmission Fluid, but not Differential Fluid. We double checked that they the Diff Fluid did not need to be changed and they confirmed that it didn't. We also asked them about any changes to the ECU software for the engine. The technician confirmed that for the Break-In Service, a special Break-In mode was DEACTIVATED, let me repeat that, DEACTIVATED in the engines ECU software. However, the technician did not know exactly what was changed by doing that. The community already knows that launch control is enabled after the Break-In Service is completed, but that's about it. Anyways, I was just happy to know that they used the right engine oil and did something to the engine's ECU software. Good enough for me!
We then peeled out of the dealership parking lot, haha no just kidding, and our next stop was, you guessed it! The Green Hell! Or the Nurburgring to most of you, which was only 60 miles away! On the way there I began playing with the M5, putting in the sport settings for the EDC, Steering, and Throttle Response. I also began using S1 and S2 on the DCT. The roads that lead out to the Nurburgring are almost as good as the Ring itself. There are a lot of windy and curvy roads in that area of Germany with very little traffic and beautiful scenery. I did notice the M5 had a bit more kick in it after the Break-In at the lower rpms and throughout the rev range too. It felt like the car had more power and torque according to my butt dyno. Needless to say it was a very fun drive out to the Ring.
We got to the Ring and checked into our hotel. We stayed at the Lindner Fieren Park Hotel. It's a pretty sweet deal. I rented an entire house for $120 bucks a night. We got our own driveway and the house had a carport with 3 bedrooms. We took everything out of the M5 and put it inside of the house. I cleaned the windshield, checked the tire pressures, and grabbed the GoPro. I was vibrating with excitement of getting the M5 ready for its baptism.
When we started exploring the Nurburgring area, it took us about an hour to find the entrance to the track. To me, there weren't any clear signs that should have said, "hey dummy, enter the track right here!" While we were exploring though, we saw a lot of cool stuff. We saw several test BMW's in full camouflage and the BMW ///M's test center with the Orange M3 GTS sitting in the window. I even made out one camouflaged BMW to be the next F83 (Or whatever chassis designation it is) 3 Series Convertible. I was hoping to catch the F80 M3 around there, but I don't think I saw it. So we tooled around for a while until we found the entrance. When we did find it, it was perfect timing. Little did we know that the Ring is not open 24/7 for the public's use. I don't know if this is the norm, but when we were there, it was only open from 5:30pm to 7:30pm on the weekdays. I didn't notice what the times were on the weekends. We ended up getting there at 5pm, which was perfect. I bought my Ringcard, 26 Euro per lap is the going rate today by the way, and made my last checks on the M5. One thing I had almost forgotten about, that I needed to do, was to setup my ///M buttons on the steering wheel. I hadn't messed with the ///M buttons the whole trip, because there was no need to with the Break-In restrictions. So I set up my M1 to be my medium attack mode and my M2 to be my full attack mode. I set M1 for everything to Sport, HUD to M View, and DSC ON. I set M2 for everything to Sport+, HUD to M View, and DSC ON also. I always keep the DSC control away from the steering wheel buttons and use the DSC button like the Deathblossom on the Gunstar in the Last Starfighter (Ok, I know I know, old movie, but if your over 30 you'll get it), a weapon of last resort! What's awesome about the F10 M5 and the DSC control is that they have made it safer. Now if you just push the DSC button on the lower console once it goes to MDM mode. If you press and hold it down for a couple of seconds, it goes to full DSC off. Additionally, if you set DSC to full OFF in one of the steering wheel buttons, and then you engage the M button on the steering wheel, you'll get a notification in the dashboard requiring you to confirm the M button activation, and you have to hit the M button again quickly, or else the confirmation will go away. So it's basically another safety feature to make sure that you don't disengage DSC with the press of a single button and the next thing you know you're flying out of control, and this is easier to do than you know, because of the massive torque in this thing!
So there I was, the M5 was ready, I was ready, I'm slowly approaching the gate to enter the Ring. I pull up to the box and swipe my card, the gate lifts up, and I'm about to baptize the M5! I drive through the gate, they make you drive through a tiny cone course before you accelerate full out in order to make sure people don't smoke their tires right out of the gate. When I started my first lap I realized that I forgot to switch the units back to mph and miles versus kph and kilometers, which I had been using the whole time. So I had to drive slow on the right and change the settings real quick. After I did that, I was off!!!
Let me tell you driving a fully broken in M5 anywhere is one thing, driving a fully broken in M5 on any track is another thing, and driving a fully broken in M5 on the Nurburgring is on a completely different level! The F10 M5's full performance is in a word "UNREAL!" Like I said, I used to have a 600hp E60 M5, and the stock F10 M5 completely blows it away! No doubt about it! In every aspect as well! Power, torque, handling, and steering, it was like I was driving a totally different car. Most people complained about the F10 M5's engine not being high revving like the S85. Trust me, 7,200rpm felt like TOO MUCH! While accelerating in the straights past 5,000 rpm it feels like the M5 wants to rip your neck off! I'll admit that I got a little scared revving all the way up to 7,200rpm because the acceleration force was so great, you are wondering to yourself, if this thing can really go faster, and it can, and its borderline terrifying. I'm not exaggerating any of this. The F10 M5 is scary fast! On the track I did not experience not one bit of turbo lag. On the highway and street driving however, you can definitely feel the turbo lag because the turbos are not in a high state of boost like they are on the track.
I kept DSC ON the whole time, I didn't even go to MDM, as it was my first time driving on the Ring and driving the F10 M5 so fast. Through the corners with the EDC set to Sport+, I can't recall any body roll. You do feel the weight of the M5 a little bit through the turns but the steering wheel is so very communicative that you know exactly what the tires and suspension is doing. The handling of the M5 inspires a lot of confidence that it feels like a car half its weight. With every lap I did I pushed the M5 a little harder as I became acclimated to the layout and G-Forces of the track. I didn't have a stop watch or anything with me, but I think I did very well.
The Heads Up Display in M Mode on the Track is absolutely phenomenal as well! The lower half shows you the entire rev range while the upper half shows you a zoomed in view of the yellow and red zones of the rev range. If you shift at the last yellow light, you can get perfect shifts. The size of the Heads Up Display in M Mode is HUGE also! I wasn't expecting it to be that BIG! It's like its right in your face. You can read it crystal clearly and all your info is right there.
Before I experienced the full fury of the F10 M5, I had it set in my mind that I wanted to increase the power of the car before I even drove it since I am into modding. Now that I have driven it to its full potential, I am seriously wondering if this car really needs any more power and torque. I still haven't answered that question yet, but now I'm second guessing my modding plans. It just has so much ridiculous power and torque; it feels like there's a JATO rocket booster attached to the back of the car. No joke!
I did 3 laps on the first day at the Ring. On the last lap, at nearly the beginning of my run, there was a huge crash where it looked like a Porsche had collided with an Audi R8 V10 Coupe. The Porsche was completely on its side and the R8 was still able to move off of the track. There were several other cars nearby when the crash happened, an E46 M3, and some others. My passenger snapped a quick photo of the Porsche and recorded a quick video with the iPhone. I was just lucky I wasn't near it when it happened. We finished our lap, hitting the speed governor on the last straightaway on the track at 162mph. The amazing thing about the F10 M5 is that even at those speeds above 150mph it feels like you're in second gear with the same amazing thrust. The car just wants to takeoff.
Later that night we had our victory dinner in the town of Nurburg, I had a steak and it never tasted so good! The next day we left the area for Wurzburg and took the Romantic Road all the way down to the border of Austria where Fussen is to see that big castle ( I can't spell that name, it starts with an N). We got some amazing shots with the M5 and the castle and then headed back to Munich. For our last night we stayed at the Kempinski Airport Hotel right at the airport, which made it convenient for us to drop off the car the next morning.
I will now elaborate on a few things that I am not quite satisfied about with the M5.
Bang and Olufsen Sound System: Don't get me wrong, I think this sound system is incredible. The B&O hits really really hard and can get VERY loud. The highs and lows sound fantastic. My passenger kept saying it was the best car sound system she has ever heard. I adjusted the equalizer the best that I could, and I set the B&O to the "Expanded" settings versus the "Studio" setting. I thought that the "Expanded" sounded better as it didn't sound as up in your face as the "Studio" did. Like I said, since we were using the USB stick with the European Maps on it we couldn't plug in our iPhone into the USB port and had to use the Bluetooth. I thought that the sound quality through the Bluetooth was marginal at best. The sound quality though the USB cable however, was mind blowing, or rather I should say ear blowing. Also the Bluetooth connection kept failing many times throughout the trip. Many many times it would cut in and out, and we would lose our musical listening pleasure for a few moments. I don't know if it was interference from some thing's outside or what, but it got to be very annoying.
20 Way Adjustable Front Sport Seats: Again, don't get me wrong, I love the seats and all of their functionality. They are super comfortable and the ///M logo on the headrest is a nice touch. The one thing that I am disappointed about is that our seats for at least the 2013 model M5, did not come with a side bolster adjustment buttons. I can understand that BMW did not include the Active side bolster feature from the E60 M5's comforts seats, but on the F10 M5, we can't even adjust our side bolster manually. This was really disappointing for me. I am wondering if BMW forgot about this or something. I know for a fact that I have seen pictures of 2012 F10 M5's with the buttons to manually adjust the side bolsters. To me this is unsatisfactory, and I even feel inclined to ask BMW what the deal is with this!
Floor Mats: Well I am definitely grateful that we got floor mats for European Delivery. However, I am a bit peeved that the floor mats that we got for the F10 M5 are Plain-Jane floor mats with no ///M5 logo on them. Even when the E60 M5 first came out, it got special ///M5 floor mats for both the front and back. Now for the F10 M5 we don't even get that? What's the deal? Is this something that we have to order special from the dealer?
Foot Sensor for Trunk Opening: I had to use this feature as a practical application many times throughout the Euro Delivery Trip. I had to say that the system doesn't work 100% of the time. Many times I found myself waving my foot around under the rear bumper, looking like an idiot I'm sure, trying to activate it. I do love the push button close on the trunk however though. It really makes you feel like you own a nice car. It'll take some finesse over time to get used to the foot sensor I'm sure.
Piano Black Interior Trim: I don't feel like I shot myself in the foot or anything by getting the Piano Black Trim, because I really do love it. It looks SO very classy in my opinion. I have noticed that it does attract quite the lint and dust particles to it. I had to use a microfiber cloth every once in a while to wipe it down. Also I didn't realize that I would get so many finger prints on it myself from accidentally touching it whenever I would turn the head lights switch to a different position. All in all though, I am very happy with it even though it requires just a little extra maintenance.
In conclusion, if you ever have the opportunity to own an F10 M5, get it! In the word of Ferris Bueller, "It's so choice." Or as Richard Hammond said, "It's pretty much the best car in the world, right now." Richard wasn't lying and neither am I. I have never driven a car with so much power, thrust, luxury, and convenience, and one that does all of it so very well! The F10 M5 is definitely an ///M car. It's engine the S63tu, is without question a ///M engine. It handles like an ///M, it has the exhaust note of an ///M, and it just feels like an ///M. In many respects I find the exhaust note sounding better than the E60's V10, this is something I thought I would never say coming from a guy who used to own a straight piped V10. The F10 M5 sounds very exotic for a stock BMW ///M exhaust. I firmly believe that the duality of the F10 M5 will never be matched by another automaker. Not the Cadillac CTS V, not the 2012 Merc CLS63 AMG, not the Merc E63 AMG, not even the Porsche Panamera Turbo S, can match the extreme duality performance of the F10 M5. The King is definitely back.
Compared to a stock E60 M5, the F10 M5, improves and blows it away in every department, most notably with the transmission. Compared to a Full Stage 2 E60 M5, the F10 M5 is still light years ahead of it. You can't deny the progression of technology. The F10 M5 has faster processors, better computers, better suspension design, better chassis, and a better engine design, than any modification you can do to an E60 M5. The only department and I mean ONLY department where a modded E60 M5 may come close to competing with an F10 M5 is if the E60 M5 has an ESS VT2 Stage 2 Supercharger installed to make more horsepower than a stock F10 M5. The F10 M5 will still put down more torque and put the torque down much more efficiently than an E60 M5 with a VT2 kit. I've ridden in a VT2 E60 M5 a few times, the SMG is still very much the limiting factor in that car, as well as the differential not being able to efficiently handle the added torque. Additionally, consider the costs involved, $16,000 for a VT2 kit to make close to 700hp, or perhaps less than $5,000 to make about the same power with only an ECU tune and maybe an exhaust on an F10 M5. Don't get me wrong, I love ESS and everything that they do, in fact I may be looking into their ECU tune for the F10 M5 in the future, but like I said you can't deny the progression of technology.
One last thing that I will say is that if you already own an F10 M5 today, please share the experience with others. Pay it forward. When we got to the Kempinski Hotel at the Munich Airport, I parked the M5 out in front of the hotel. If you've never been to the Kempinksi, BMW has a lot of partnership with that hotel. You will see billboards and actual BMW display models sitting outside. After we parked, we got our luggage out of the trunk, locked the M5, and went inside to check in. After check in, we took our luggage up to the room and I went back downstairs to go park the M5 in the hotel garage. When I got back outside, I noticed one of the hotel concierges was looking at my car, my first instinct as an American, was that he was about to tell me that I have to move my car. So I blurted out to him "Yeah yeah I know, I'm moving it now." He then said: "No, no I am just admiring your car, it is beautiful!" I was taken aback for a moment. So I said: "Thanks!" I then got in the car started it up, and sat there for a second and thought. I then rolled down my passenger window and said: "Hey buddy, you want to go for a ride?!" He couldn't believe his ears, a huge smile came over his face, and he had to go ask his boss since he was standing outside waiting for a VIP to arrive in 10 minutes. He came back and said that his boss, said that he could go. His name was Phillip and he was a sharp looking young lad with a strong German accent. The roads around the Munich airport have A LOT of straightaways and curves around them. It is a GIGANTIC airport area too. When we exited the hotel, there was hardly any traffic, and I pressed the M2 button and engaged warp speed. He said he had never been in an ///M5 before and was so excited to have ridden in one. When we got back to the hotel, I swear it looked like he just walked on the moon. This is what I mean, don't just tell people how good the F10 M5 is, show them. A random act of kindness with an F10 M5 is an easy thing to do.
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Fantastic write-up and photos.
I really have to say it was fantastic of you to give that young German fan a ride in your M5. That is a very cool thing to do. Good on you.
Who's the cutie you were travelling with?
Also where did you take that photo where you are standing wearing an M cap, and there are smokey clouds in front of the mountain behind you?
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Congratulations, and thank you for such an amazing review, I plan to do ED next year and after reading yours it just reinforce any decision for taking a long vacation and experiencing the car in europe. Thanks again, post the gopro video....
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Seems like everyone on their ED trips are going to Schloss Neuschwanstein!
I recently went to Germany, and did something similar (No ED though). Neuschwanstein, BMW Welt/Museum, Ring Taxi.
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You certainly have a way of capturing moments with words that are capable of eliciting pure emotion. I think my pulse actually went up when I read the post break-in section. I get my car in 3 days. Thanks for the sleepless nights ahead!
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Why isn't this on the front page?! I felt like I was along with you for the ride Great details and imagery in this one, I really appreciate your efforts to describe the feeling of owning and driving an M5. Glad that an E60 owner appreciates the refinement of the F10. While I still lament the S85B50, I have been convinced that the new M5 wouldn't disappoint. Enjoy your car, but that goes without saying. Looks like an all around good time.
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Excellent review and photos. Glad you thoroughly enjoyed your extensive ED trip. Thanks for posting this. I agree it should be on the front page!
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What a review! Thanks for letting me experience your trip.
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Stunning car, and great write up. Saw my first black F10m on the highway the other day, it looked badass.
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Very nice writeup, I enjoyed reading it. +1 on your Good "deed" to the hotel door man Phillip.
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Wade Boggs: "The No. 1 thing everyone has to understand is that there wasn't a greater gentleman of the game. Johnny was loved by everyone. He would light up your day when he walked in the room. I have to give him credit for hitting me all those ground balls every day at 3:17. I have to attribute those two Gold Gloves that I won to the hard work that he and I put in."
Boo Ferriss: "You can sum Johnny up as a great player, a great teammate, but best of all, a great friend. I remember coming back from the service and I was anxious to get to know him, and he was just a friendly, lovable guy from the start. He was a great encourager in my 1946 season and through my career in Boston, helping me and encouraging in any way he could. He could swing that bat and spray that ball over the field. He was one of the all-time greatest guys as a player and as a person."
Fred Lynn: "Johnny bleeds Red Sox red. He couldn't do enough to help you out. I know he worked with Jimmy (Rice) a lot; he must have hit Jimmy eight million balls off that wall to help him learn how to play it. John was our hitting coach and he was almost like a dad to me. When I'd line out he'd say 'Hey, you see that guy standing there? Don't hit it there. You're a college guy.' Being with Johnny was like being with my dad all day. I always joked that Johnny hit 200 singles in a year, and I hit 200 in my career. "
Frank Malzone: "All the great things that I've heard people say about him in the last few hours on the news are all true. I played for him for two years in 1963 and 1964. Ballplayers always loved him. He was always there to hit fungos and wanted to make players better. John was a survivor. He just wouldn't take that Red Sox uniform off. I admire him for that. It was great to see him at the 100th year anniversary with Bobby (Doerr). That was a plus for me. It was great that he was given special recognition that day. He was always there for people. It meant a lot to the fans and it meant a lot to all of us."
Pedro Martinez: "From the bottom of my heart I am extremely sad. I feel like part of the Red Sox tradition just died because when I think of Johnny I think of him hitting fungos at spring training. We will all miss him so much. I was embraced by Johnny and he was always there at every event. He was such a representative of everything that happened in Boston. It's hard to think of the success, defeat, and all we went through without Johnny. You couldn't do anything without Johnny Pesky."
Kevin Millar: "Johnny is the greatest man I have ever met in this wonderful game we are so blessed to play. He will truly be missed in the Red Sox family."
Bill Monbouquette: I had my best year ever when Johnny was managing in 1963. I went 20-10 that season. We used to talk a lot – sit on the bench and talk baseball for hours. He was like a father to me. He was a wonderful guy and a heck of a player. I really am surprised that he's not in the Hall of Fame. He was a lifetime .300 hitter. He loved the Red Sox and he loved going to the ballpark each day to see his former teammates, the guys that played for him and the new players on the team."
Jerry Remy: "He was fortunate enough to live his life the way he wanted to, and that was to be a part of the Red Sox organization. He did everything you could possibly do for the team. He is what the Red Sox are all about. He's one of the very few people who truly loved what they did and he loved being a member of the Red Sox family. I will never forget the tears in his eyes when they retired No. 6."
Jim Rice: "It's a great loss, not only for the Sox but all of New England. Johnny's been around for so long, you think about all the greats that have played with the Red Sox over the years, and he was still there. He was a legend with Ted Williams and Dom DiMaggio, and when you think of the Red Sox, you always think of Johnny Pesky. He was a great ambassador for the Red Sox."
Luis Tiant: "He was like my father when I came here in 1971. He was a great, great friend, always good to my family when we'd go to spring training. We were like a family, together for so many years. He really was a great man, a baseball man all his life, and he was good to everybody. You learned a lot from him, and being around him for so many years was a great experience. You're not going to find many people like him. Everyone who knew him will miss him."
Jason Varitek: "I'm almost speechless. This is a very sad day for me and for anyone who has ever spent any time with Mr. Pesky. He was the most positive influence I ever came across who wore the Red Sox uniform. He was always there through the good and bad times with the same smile and passion for his team. 'Hello my honeysuckle, hello my honey bee, my ever lovin' Jason just got three.' Johnny used to say, wishing me three hits that night. The game, the team, the organization, and Red Sox Nation will truly miss Mr. Pesky. Love you, Pesky!"
Tim Wakefield: "Today is a very sad day. Johnny was a mentor to me early in my career and later became more than that – he became a friend and father figure. His legacy will live forever in my heart and in the hearts of all of Red Sox Nation. He will be missed."
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Thursday, January 01, 2009
2009: Bring it On
I was tired while snowshoeing another 20 miles this morning. Yesterday was a leg day and it kicked my butt. Again. It was so beautiful out this morning, though! 20F is a perfect snowshoe temperature for a long distance run. Topaz herded up many deer, they were out and frolicking this morning. I'll run another long snowshoe and call myself ready for Northwoods Snowshoe Marathon in Duluth on the 17th. Please don't let it be -54F wind chill. Egads.
So..2009. Crazy. I can't stop thinking that. Crazycrazycrazycrazy.
Continue to maintain my weight loss. I can't tell you how horrible to feels to me when I am as little as 10 pounds over my goal weight. I become all negative and talk horribly to myself minute after minute. It spirals into additional negative thinking and actions. It's not good for me. When I am lean I treat myself well. I am able to stop the negative thoughts and think positively about all things. It's a good place for me mentally. I will work hard to stay lean. I will continue to eat a paleo for athletes diet consisting of lean meats and veggies, one processed carb meal a day of oats post run/workout for recovery. It's working for me.
I can not out run what I can eat. No matter if I am running 100 miles or 50 miles a week my calories typically stay at the same level with the same macros (40% of my calories coming from protein, 30% from carbohydrates and 30% from fat. I learned that I need to take in 1 Tbs of Flax oil each day to keep fat cravings at bay and for all around health. I also drink a cocktail of apple cider vinegar, lemon juice and green tea extract to neutralize all of the acidity in my body from the breakdown and to rev up my metabolism.
When I increased my lifting from 2-3 days a week to 5 days a week I noticed I needed to increase my calories, but not from running more miles. This tells me my body has adapted to the ultra mileage and not to the lifting..yet.
Continue to Budget. For someone that never thought about staying within a budget, or for that matter, setting a budget, I am quite happy with the fact that I was able to do this. Of course the fact that gasoline has gone down from $4 to $1.39 this morning has helped immensely! I will reach my payoff/saving goals this year and will then be able to proceed with my next phase in this plan.
Family. I'm not a great telephone user. Well, I don't really use the telephone at all. I love email but will make a goal to call my parents and my sister each week; even when I don't have anything to say! Just to keep in touch and let them know that I care.
Races: I'm going to run McNaughton 100. I went back and forth on this as Larry Pederson is bringing a new 100 to Minnesota. The Zumbro 100, near Rochester. Originally this race was going to be held in March so I was going to run it. Now it is going to be held the same weekend (Friday) as McNaughton (Saturday) in April over Easter weekend this year. The RD of McNaughton, Andy Weinberg, has moved to Vermont, so this will be the last McNaughton 100. I have a free entry since I won it last year, and hell, it's Andy's last, I must be there.
So, here's to McNaughton #5. I WILL NOT be reserving a room at the Concorde Inn. You shouldn't either. Read race report McNaughton 2008!
I'm going to run FANS 24 Hour Run and run it for a PR. My current PR there is 116 miles. Why not try 120 hu? I love FANS. I'd like to try Kettle Moraine sometime but as long as I am an employee of the school and our final week is the same weekend as Kettle (and FANS) it will be FANS. I wouldn't be able to have that final Friday off.
I'm going to apply Badwater. 135 miles across Death Valley. John Storkamp and I were running at Afton a few weeks back and he told me that he, Pierre and Paul were going to apply. Pierre and Paul have run Badwater before and John has crewed. He asked me if I was interested in joining them. I thought about it for about 5 steps and said yes. He really had to twist my arm! The only problem is that I can't do this on my own. The rules state that I need a van and at least two people to crew for me. Badwater doesn't provide aid. I have such a hard time asking others for help ..what is up with that...that is the only downfall that I can see. Not that I have to run 135 miles on pavement through 125F temperatures and up a freaking 18 mile hill at the end to Mount Whitney. Ha! So yeah, this one is up in the air as I have to be accepted and find help.
If I get into Badwater I probably won't get revenge at Leadville 100 this year. We'll see. My family would like to go back out that is so cool so we'll see.
I'm also thinking about Lean Horse 100 in August. It's two weeks out from Superior 100 so that is OK. Lean Horse 50 is a selected race in the UMTR series so I would like to support the race. There would probably be a fun group of MN's to travel out with.
Superior Sawtooth 100 goes without saying. It is the race that is tough as hell and beautiful as can be. It's home. I love it. I've finished the 100 the past two years and would love another finish.
Javelina Jundred was a total blast last month. I really want to go back. For 2009 it is held on October 31 so I may get the family, or at least Troy, to come out with me. Scottsdale was awesome and the Marriot was perfect. They'd love to stay there. It won't coincide with the Minnesota deer hunt; we'll see how it works out.
I'll run quite a few other races as well: Northwoods Snowshoe Marathon in January, Winter Carnival Half Marathon in January, maybe Phys co Wyco in February but the last two I have entered I have ended up staying at home (Steve's pool tournament in 2007 and Tyler's appendix rupture in 2008). April will bring McNaughton, May the Superior 50K, June FANS, July Afton 50K or Badwater 135, August (?) Lean Horse 100/Leadville 100, September Twin Cities Marathon, October Javelina 100, November Surph the Murph 50K and December ..
Skijoring! Topaz and I will begin this fabulous sport! How did I not know about it? We're going to go to the novice classes at Midwest Mountaineering and we are both very excited. Skijor, translated from Norwegian, literally means to "ski drive". I have the cross country skiis that I haven't used in forever and yeah, Topaz and I are trained for endurance. He has booties now, too! We'll meet with the Midwest Skijorers Club and find out all about this endeavor.
Body Building Comp:It was bound to happen one of these years. I was pretty surprised that I didn't lose any of my muscle while running high miles and losing fat over the past year. I was able to hold onto and actually build muscle while lifting only 2-3 a week.
I've been going to shows for a while now, I have a few acquaintances who compete and always had the thought "just think if I could" well, why not now? I'm certainly not getting any younger. I'll compete in the novice and masters, probably coming in as a middle weight. Of course the nay sayers will say that an endurance runner can't build muscle, that the ultras will tear it down. Of course the nay sayers said I needed processed carbs to run a 100 mile race too. I'm always out to beat the myths. This will be a fun experiment.
When I thought about comps before I was too afraid at the thought of getting up onstage in a little bit more than nothing, worried about people thinking I wanted to get up and shake my booty; I've changed my way of thinking of that fear. I now think of the comp as the celebration of the work, the progress and the journey that it will take me to get there. It is all about growth, getting out of my comfort zone, stretching myself to do something I always admired others do. It's not about getting on stage and shaking my booty.
Coaching: I'm going to continue to offer online and running classes. I love it so much. I enjoy giving to others the gift to run. We can all run. You don't have to be a certain size or a certain age to run. Running will lead you so many more places than your original destination. I never would have believed that when I began to run 10 years ago, I would still be running today. Running for enjoyment, for the love of it.
Oh, and I need to take the time to learn to fully use my gadgets for Christmas: Garmin Nuvi, Computer and iPhone.
CHEERS to 2009! Enjoy!!
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- Steve said...
Julie, it looks like you've got a full plate for 2009. 2008 was a success for you in so many ways. I think going for Badwater is pretty bad-ass. However, I was looking forward to seeing how you were going to master Leadville. Either way, I will be following along as I did last year. You continue to be an inspiration for runners out there. Thanks for the great posts and keep it up! Best of luck in 2009!!
- Travis said...
Glad to hear you are going to be at McNaughton again. I totaly agree on the Concord. I was there in 06 before I ran the 30 and it was the same senario, loud band and thin walls. The Hoilday Inn Express seems to be a good bet.
- SteveQ said...
Paul Hasse was talking about running Badwater again this year. When I find his email, I'm going to ask if he wants me to crew for him. It's contagious!
- SteveQ said...
Just saw that your time at Javelina makes you the 57th fastest US woman!
- johnmaas said...
What a fantastic year you had in 2008! Yea, you said the "B" word...I heard it!
You don't need to ask, let me be one of the first to apply to crew for you.
One of my 2009 goals is to travel to Badwater and crew there in July. Keep me in mind if your application is successful. Pass the word on to the other MN applicants also. I hope that someone locally (MN) would consider me for the task.
- Helen said...
Julie - congrats on the Top 100 honors!!! Nice one!
- Damon said...
I think that a figure competition is something where you'd excel. You're amazingly strong and you've made so much progress on your nutrition. If the endurance work isn't hindering your muscle maintenance, you'll do great. The toughest part might be the cutting diet that you might need to follow and how that will affect your endurance work for a while. But, I'm betting you'll do great.
I'm thinking that after Western States this year, I might focus on lifting heavier and I might try a powerlifting meet sometime. I made some great strength gains the last couple months in the powerlifts, and though I'm far from competitive numbers, I've got a lot of room for improvement.
- Alene Gone Bad said...
I got the comment you posted to my blog. Thank you, and best of luck getting into Badwater. I'll look forward to seeing you out there next summer! If there's anything I can do to help you prepare, let me know!
- MikeSiltman said...
dang julie, i google the garmin thing you had on your blog and found it was just a car gps thing, I thought it was a new running watch :)
good luck in 2009.
mike siltman
Happy New Year Julie! I look forward to hearing about all of your journey! The body comp in particular, I can't wait! And what if, when you've trained so hard, you do shake your booty, just a little bit? What of it? It's the stupid shoes and the press on nails that get me...I say you deserve a booty shaking! Zoey
I love all your goals, thanks for sharing.
I just saw that Badwater is 800 bucks. WOW.I was shocked. It's even more than an Ironman branded event.
- Julie B said...
Yes, Badwater is Big Bucks. I don't get it. Maybe because they only accept 90 or less to run each year. There is no aid for heaven's sake! I don't know. When you pay $$ you seem to hold yourself accountable. Or, I do. I find that when I charge for classes, training, etc. the clients show up. When it's free-they don't show.
Where do you see that I made top 100 runners in 100 mile distance?
Yeah, Mike, just a car GPS. I've only used it once..
- Julie B said...
Oh, and on the comp. Thanks for the supportive comments Zoey and Damon. I think I will compete in Bodybuilding; not Figure.


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After a few hours of technical difficulties earlier today, Wahealthplanfinder.org is now up and running. There may be a few more glitches as additional issues are fixed, so if you're filling out an application, be sure to save your information. Also, the website will be down temporarily tonight at 8 p.m.
Eight health insurers have been approved to sell 46 different plans inside the Exchange. Remember, the Exchange is the only place you can go to receive federal tax subsidies to help lower your monthly premium - and there's only one official Exchange for our state - www.wahealthplanfinder.org.
If you earn more than the cut-off for a subsidy (about $46,000 for an individual and $94,200 for a family of four), you also can shop for insurance outside the Exchange. To see all of the plans available in your county - both inside and outside the new Exchange - check out this map.
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Born: November 3, 1888, Ujpest, Hungary
Jeno was the youngest of five children born to Jewish parents living in a suburb of Budapest. His father was a wholesale merchant who sold beer to restaurants and stores. After receiving a university diploma, Jeno became a pharmacist. He and his wife, Aranka, and their two children, Eva and Andras, shared a large old house in Ujpest with Jeno's father and other members of the extended family.
1933-39: My friends and family have helped me raise the large amount of money I need to lease my own pharmacy. Because of anti-Jewish restrictions, I still can't own a pharmacy in my own name. But leasing will give me a lot more independence than I had when I was just another pharmacist's employee. We've moved into a nice, modern apartment near the pharmacy in downtown Ujpest. Aranka helps me out at work while Eva and Andras go to school.
1940-44: It has been only a few weeks since the Germans invaded Hungary, but already we are being deported out of Hungary by train in cattle cars. There are 70 or 80 of us crammed in together with just one bucket of water for drinking and one empty bucket for relieving ourselves. I'm trying to boost Eva's morale by joking that I'd hoped her first trip abroad would be more pleasant.
Jeno and his family were among the 435,000 Hungarian Jews deported to Auschwitz in the early summer of 1944. He was later moved to a camp in Bavaria where he perished.
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SUNY Canton to Break Ground for "Roos House" May 6
Construction for SUNY Canton's Convocation, Athletic, and Recreation Center will officially begin with a ceremonial groundbreaking at 2 p.m. Wednesday, May 6, adjacent to the Edson A. Martin Athletic Fields.
The building has been nicknamed "Roos House." The project is a celebratory point of pride for the College, its students, and alumni.
"There are a number of individuals and groups responsible for making this project a reality," Kennedy said. "We will be formally thanking them by inviting those public representatives and community members to the ceremony.
The groundbreaking ceremony is free and open to the public. Parking will be available in Lot 4, and a shuttle service will be escorting visitors to the site.
Northland Associates of Liverpool will begin construction on the project this spring. Northland Associates recently constructed the Johnson Hall of Science at St. Lawrence University and is currently working on overhauling Nevaldine Technology Center at SUNY Canton.
"We've been anxious to get this project underway for a long time," said SUNY Canton President Joseph L. Kennedy. "The new building will continue the transformation of our campus, and the facilities will benefit both the College and the community. We expect it to dramatically impact the regional economy."
The Convocation, Athletic, and Recreation Center will provide ample space for indoor athletics, including basketball courts, a lap pool, and a field house. It will also house SUNY Canton's fitness center and provide increased space for activities such as concerts, graduation ceremonies, trade shows, and other events. Additionally, it will provide the local community with further options to host larger events for entertainment, high school playoffs, and local sports tournaments.
SUNY Canton offers a wide variety of career-driven bachelor's, associate, and certificate programs, as well as three master's degrees in conjunction with SUNYIT, Utica. Most of SUNY Canton's new four-year programs are designed so students can take them on-campus, online, or both. SUNY Canton OnLine features more than 100 courses online each semester. The College offers a four-day academic week allowing students greater flexibility for work, family, or other obligations. The College's athletic teams belong to the NAIA's Sunrise Conference, enabling students to compete in their respective sports for four years.
Media inquiries should be directed to Gregory Kie, Media Relations Coordinator, or call 315/386-7528.
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It's looking like FITC San Francisco is going to be awesome. The speaker lineup is bomber and the diversity of the sessions means that there's going to be something for everyone. Plus the fact that we're down in San Fran means you'll get to see a lot of Adobeans in the halls. I'm going to be doing a talk on Geolocation and Mapping with the Flash Platform, a more in-depth version of what I did at Flash and the City.
The early bird tickets are available for one more day so definitely register soon and lock it in. You can spend the extra money on beer.


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Artists M. River and T. Whid formed MTAA in 1996 and soon after began to explore the internet, video, software and sculpture as mediums for their conceptually-based art. The duo's exhibition history includes group shows and screenings at The New Museum of Contemporary Art, Postmasters Gallery and Artists Space, all in New York City, and at The Getty Research Institute in Los Angeles. In "New Media Art" (Taschen, 2006), authors Mark Tribe and Reena Jana describe MTAA's "One Year Performance Video (aka samHsiehUpdate)" as "a deftly transparent demonstration of new media's ability to manipulate our perceptions of time." The collaboration has earned grants and awards from Creative Capital, Rhizome.org, Eyebeam, New Radio & Performing Arts, Inc. and The Whitney Museum of American Art.
Call for Papers the Fibreculture Journal General Issue, 2006
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FEATURES: selections of recent online projects
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MAGMART ¦ video under volcano international video art festival
In January 2006, there will occur in Naples, Italy, the first edition of Magmart ¦ video under volcano, an international video art festival, a studio tad production, with partnership of Stella Film, Casoria International Contemporary Art Museum and GenomART. The festival is open to international video artists, and the program schedule four steps: - the submission, by website - the online show, [...]
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United We Stand
0100101110101101.ORG's fake movie hits the streets of your city ...and your mind
"United We Stand. Europe has a mission" is the punchy title of the non-existent, fully EU-produced Hollywood-style blockbuster: "A brilliant mix of espionage and sci-fi political stereotypes in which Europe, not the USA, saves the world from impending doom". The project that consists in the invention and promotion of this nonexistent movie is hitting public and media space all over the world through city-scale urban installations and viral communication tactics.
Public disclosure
Since December 10th, Postmasters Gallery in New York has been the first of a series of art venues to host the disclosed side of the United We Stand project. The exhibition will run parallel to the ongoing communication strategy. "We are working simultaneously on this double track, the "fictional" and the "real" - explains Franco Mattes - in this sense, spectators in the gallery who are aware of the multiple layers are passive voyeurs, while the unaware "spectator", or passerby, is actually part of the artwork".
About the authors
Eva and Franco Mattes - internationally known as 0100101110101101.ORG - are a couple of restless European con-artists who use non-conventional communication tactics to obtain the largest visibility with the minimum effort. Past works include inventing and promoting a nonexistent artist; spreading a computer virus as a work of art; challenging and defeating Nike Corporation in a legal battle for a fake advertising campaign.
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Facebook was underfire Monday, as millions of users reported seeing their private messages turning up on their public wall.
Users claimed the private posts were showing up in 2007, 2008 and 2009 on their timeline, but Facebook insists that this is not true, and users are just seeing old wall posts.
Here's what Facebook had to say to Techcrunch:
"Every report we've seen, we've gone back and checked. We haven't seen one report that's been confirmed [of a private message being exposed]. A lot of the confusion is because before 2009 there were no likes and no comments on wall posts. People went back and forth with wall posts instead of having a conversation [in the comments of single wall post.]"
Users are advised to check their walls for fishy posts, and delete them, or hide them if they aren't supposed to be public.
You can check what your public profile looks like, by going to the gear icon to the right of the Activity Log, and choose "View as..." This should show you what the public sees.


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Views Mini-Course, Part I: An Introduction to Views
Even if you're brand new to Drupal, find out what the Views module can do. Heather James, manager of training here at Acquia, will show you around the interface so you can become familiar with key terminology for Views such as displays, formats, filters. She'll also demo how to create a view of content, users or taxonomy. She'll give you a peek at how to extend Views with other modules.
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JACKSONVILLE, Fla. – For the past 50 years, the Cummer Museum of Art & Gardens has been committed to engaging and inspiring through the arts, gardens, and education in Jacksonville. With a permanent collection of nearly 5,000 objects and historic gardens on a riverfront campus attracting 130,000 annual, the museum is moving forward with its next feat, the Olmsted Garden Restoration and Landscape Enhancement Project.
We recently sat down with Hope McMath, the Director of the Cummer Museum of Art and Gardens, and Holly Keris, the organization's Chief Curator, to discuss the Museum's transformational project.
For an hour we discussed the massive project and the thoughts behind the changes. We discovered not only how much work went into the planning of the campus expansion, but also the ambitious plans for the Cummer's future as it becomes one of the more unique and important museum and garden institutions in the southeast.
The restoration and landscape enhancement project is going to significantly change that stretch of the main connection between Riverside and Downtown, partially because it finally unifies the Cummer properties (the original museum, the rather pedestrian brick bank and the magnificent and historic Womens Club and grounds) and unites them on a bona fide campus.
The Cummer has greatly expanded over the past 20 years as it has made an astonishing leap from a tasteful gallery with a beautiful garden into a full-fledged credentialed museum, and the only building specifically designed for the purposes of a museum/gallery.
In the process of expansion, the museum absorbed two more buildings on either flank of rather different architectural styles, which in their present state aren't clearly connected to each other as one unit, and leave the impression that they are still separate. Many people, in fact, have muddled about trying to decide whether the old bank building on the north is actually part of the museum until they visit through the main entrance and are led to the children's wing internally.
Also, let's face it, the parking lot across the street has been described (often by Cummer staff) as the "ugliest property in Riverside." Sadly this is no more than the truth. When designing this project, the team felt like they had several problems to overcome and a few objectives to achieve, and we think that the plans solve all of them nicely.
- Terrible parking lot.
- No visual unity between the different properties
- Pedestrian architecture of the bank building takes away from the spare elegance of the Museum Building
- The current landscape design along Riverside is stiffly formal, not inviting to the public to use the grounds (or get close enough to the magnificent red Takashi Soga kinetic sculpture on the front lawn to see how it operates) and serves to completely separate the museum from both the public and the eyesore parking lot across the street.
- Create a unified perception of the Campus.
- Clearly mark the beginning and end of the Cummer property
- Expand the cafe service and available area
- Bring pedestrian activity to the grounds along Riverside Avenue
- Unify the disparate buildings of the campus
- Make the Campus open and inviting to the public
Notes From The Olmstead Garden Restoration
One of the more fascinating things about the restoration is the process of revelation and discovery that surrounds the Olmsted Gardens (the area behind the bank building).
The first revelation is that the Cummer history has traditionally followed the narrative of Ninah Cummer, with little regard to the other members of the Cummer family. The history provided below is a retelling of the Cummer property story that includes the significant portions of land that belonged to the rest of the Cummer Family Compound on the St. Johns River.
By the 1990s that history was lost to most, and the current team had to work together with descendants of the Cummers who still live in Jacksonville to restore that heritage. There were surprises along the way...
Continue reading and join the discussions about this article at metrojacksonville.com
Source: Cummer Museum of Art & Gardens
Article by Stephen Dare. Edited by Kelsi Hasden
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Although Cooper has wavered between eight or nine locks on the pitching staff over the past 10 days since camp began, he clearly mentioned nine on Sunday. That number means Addison Reed will join Matt Thornton, Jesse Crain and Will Ohman as relievers who break camp with the club.
So, three stands as the magic number to complete the bullpen and the pitching staff, when factoring in starting pitchers John Danks, Jake Peavy, Gavin Floyd, Chris Sale and Humber. At least two of those remaining spots will be of the long-relief variety, based on Cooper's criteria.
"We kind of need two — or possibly even three — of those to be guys that can give us some innings," Cooper said. "The other guys — Reed, Crain, Ohman, Thornton — those are the guys, in a perfect world, to keep to an inning.
"But I'll stretch it to two. Know those guys will be getting two-inning outings down the line, so those other guys have to give us some innings. But we're going to be taking guys who can give us innings and get the job done."
… Through a brief Major League callup last season, the White Sox already have working knowledge of Santiago and his screwball out-pitch. They also know what Zach Stewart and Dylan Axelrod can provide in long relief, as well as in a spot start. That past knowledge is preferred in picking pitchers, as opposed to basing selection on the hitter-friendly environs of Arizona.
"Sometimes, we have some guys who don't have past records, so we'll have to make decisions," Cooper said. "We've seen Stewart, Axelrod, Santiago in Chicago. We haven't seen [Leyson] Septimo and [Jose] Quintana and Donnie Veal and others. They'll show us what we need to be thinking about."


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Regional News And Industry Updates - Racing Around
Items Of Interest From Around The Country
Youngest "E" Gets Behind Wheel Chichester, UK
Twenty year old Taylor Earnhardt, the youngest daughter of seven-time NASCAR Cup Series champion Dale Earnhardt, climbed behind the wheel of her father's famous No. 3 GM Goodwrench Chevrolet at The Goodwood Festival of Speed recently. Held annually since 1993 at The Goodwood Estate in Chichester, England, the event showcases race cars both old and new competing in demonstration and competition runs up a nine-turn 1.16-mile hillclimb circuit. This year's gathering included a number of NASCAR stock cars in honor of the 50th anniversary of Daytona International Speedway.
The daughter of Dale and Teresa Earnhardt completed two runs in the first day of the 17th annual festival in the Richard Childress Racing No. 3 Goodwrench Chevrolet, the one in which Earnhardt won his 76th and final Cup race at Talladega (Ala.) Superspeedway in October 2000.
"It was a great experience driving my dad's race car today," said the youngest Earnhardt. "There are so many great race cars and race drivers here and I was honored to be able to run with them." Courtesy NASCAR
Indy Show Hitting Its Stride Indianapolis, IN
Set to take place December 2-3, 2009, at the Indiana Convention Center, The International Motorsports Industry Show (IMIS) is hitting its stride with more than half of the exhibitor spaces already sold. Billed as the "hard-core" racing trade show, the two-day event will focus squarely on the oval-track racing marketplace. Show management recently held a cocktail party at Parnelli Jones private museum with 15 prospective exhibitors among the invited guests. Former Director of Operations and Vice President of CART, Kirk Russell joined IMIS as coordinator of the IMIS Safety Conference while show management also signed Tony's Stewart's True Speed Communications as their public relations agency of record. For more information on the show or to register visit www.imis-indy.com. IMIS
$10K To Win Just Bring Your Street Stock To OK Enid, OK
On September 24-27 Enid Speedway Park will hold its 14th annual $10,000-to-win Street Stock Nationals. Billed as the richest Street Stock race in Oklahoma history, the event is the brainchild of former Enid promoter, Curley Hill and boasts a total purse of $50,000. "The original idea was to have a race that promotes the real grassroots of our sport. It gives Street Stockers a chance to run for some really big money," says current promoter Lonnie Colville.
The three-day show starts on Friday with heat races and qualifications, Saturday features more of the same, then Sunday they'll run a last chance qualifer as well as all the features. The A-Main pays $750 to start. Not bad by any stretch of the imagination. For more information check out www.enidspeedwayparkllc.com or call 580/554-0459. COMP CAMS
Fresh off his Coke Zero 400 win, Tony Stewart joined Jumpin' Jack Johnson by winning their respective features in Sharon Speedway's inaugural Lou Blaney Memorial Classic. The combination Big Block Modified and 410 Sprint Car event memorializes Blaney who died this past January at the age of 69. The father of two well known racers (Dave and Dale), Blaney began racing in 1958 and kept going through part of the 2004 season. Lou's wife of 49 years, Kate, said they never counted Lou's victories, but she said they are more than 600. In addition to Stewart, other Sprint Cup drivers at the show were Kasey Kahne and Dave Blaney. Courtesy Nascar
Mittler Bros. Names New President Wright City, MO
New Shangri-La Opens To Packed House Tioga Center, NY
Back in 2005, Earl Paules and Jim Lamoreaux both won final events held at Tioga Motorsports Park. On Saturday, July 4, Paules (Mighty Modifieds) and Lamoreaux (ASA Late Models) made history by winning the first feature events at The New Shangri-La II Motor Speedway, an ASA-sanctioned track. The new concrete track is built on the site of the old Tioga facility. If the grandstands were any indication, pavement racing is alive and well in upstate New York. Check out the near sell-out crowd. DENNIS HUTH
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CRA South Season Is Cancelled Salem, IN
The newly formed Southern Division of the CRA Super Series became the second asphalt Super Late Model Series to call it quits during midseason. In early July CRA officials announced that they were suspending the inaugural season of CRA South Series citing economic factors as the primary reason for the closure. The CRA South Series was started during the off-season to expand the CRA concept into the Deep South, but only 12 cars showed up for the first event in April at Watermelon Capital Speedway. The Southern Pro Late Model Series is the other Super Late Model sanction to cease operations this year. That Series suspended its schedule after a May race, also at Watermelon Capital Speedway. CRA
NASCAR Mods On Speed Loudon, NH
NASCAR recently announced that the Whelen Modified Tour's New Hampshire 100, which will be contested on Saturday, September 19, at New Hampshire Motor Speedway, will be broadcast by Speed TV on Thursday, October 15 at 3 p.m. The track has been a staple on the NASCAR Whelen Modified Tour's schedule since the facility opened in 1990. The September date will mark the 50th all-time race at New Hampshire for the Tour, which is in its 25th season of competition. In addition, NASCAR also announced that the inaugural UNOH Perfect Storm at Bristol Motor Speedway, a 150-lap combination race between the NASCAR Whelen Modified and Whelen Southern Modified Tour, will also be broadcast by Speed. That air date is August 19 at 7:00 p.m. Courtesy Nascar
The Charlotte City Council has approved a rezoning request that will allow developer Simon Weber to build a $50 million racetrack and amateur sports complex on the 135 acre Metrolina Tradeshow Expo grounds in north Charlotte. Dubbed the Metrolina Speed and Sports Center, the 40,000 square foot complex is set to include a rooftop skateboard park, 200-room hotel, a progressively banked asphalt track, a karting facility and a "drifting" course. The current property houses a flea market that would remain on the site.
In the 1960s, Metrolina operated as Speedworld and was also known as the Charlotte Fairgrounds Speedway. The Center is slated to open in May 2010 to coincide with the opening of the NASCAR Hall of Fame. Simon Weber
360 Sprint Car Bonus Program Mooresville, NC
Roush Yates Engines, the same engine builder that won this year's Daytona 500 (as well as a bunch of other NASCAR races), recently announced an amazing 360 Sprint Car bonus program. If you run one of its new Roush Yates 360 motors in your Sprint you have the chance to nab a second engine. Set to take place at this year's 42nd Western World Sprint Car National Championships in Tucson, AR, November 19-21, the bonus covers both winged and non-winged categories. Here's how it works. Get your Roush Yates-powered Sprint ready, enter the Western Worlds, win the A-Main in your division and Roush Yates will give you a second 360 motor. Now what Sprint Car driver wouldn't love that? For more information contact, Jeremy Anderson at Roush Yates Engines 704/658-1540, Ext. 220 or firstname.lastname@example.com. Roush-Yates Engines


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The letter printed below was sent to editors of the following newspapers: The Indiana Gazette in Indiana PA, The Punxsutawney Spirit in Punxsutawney PA, Mainline Newspapers in Ebensburg PA, and The Tribune-Democrat in Johnstown PA.
At present time the news arena is dominated with one subject that is summarized in the expression "fiscal cliff." As the president and the Congress attempt to maneuver for positions of great influence in this debacle, the image of a 3-ring circus quickly comes to mind.
The tragedy in this is the failure to realize that the real crisis is not the possibility of falling over a fiscal cliff but the hard reality that we have already fallen over a moral cliff!
Our version of Holocaust has resulted in over 55 million unborn victims. Our idolatry is on a level comparable to the ancient Roman Empire. Our sexual immorality is now pandemic in nature. We continue to brainwash the majority of our young with the deadly doctrine that we have evolved from lower life forms, hence, there is no personal need for God if He really does exist.
Mounting evidence suggests that it is simply a matter of time until Almighty God, Who is calling us to repent of our personal and corporate sins, deals with our nation as He has dealt with others in the past whose ruins now pique the interests of archeologists!
Clayton D. Harriger, Pastor
"You shall speak My words to them, whether they hear or whether they refuse, for they are rebellious. But you, son of man, hear what I say to you. Do not be rebellious like that rebellious house; open your mouth and eat what I give you." --- Ezekiel 2:7, 8


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Tyrann Mathieu, the LSU defensive back whose dominant play on the field made him a Heisman Trophy finalist as a sophomore in 2011, but whose off-field problems got him kicked off the team in 2012, is headed to the NFL in 2013.
Mathieu will announce today that he is entering the 2013 NFL draft, Joe Schad of ESPN reports.
That will make Mathieu one of the most intriguing prospects in next year's draft. Some see the plays Mathieu makes, both on defense and special teams, and say he's simply too good a football player to pass up, and will be similar to Janoris Jenkins, the cornerback whose draft stock slipped because of off-field problems but still wound up going in the second round and playing well for the Rams as a rookie. Others say Mathieu's inability to stay out of trouble off the field, combined with the fact that he has neither the coverage skills nor the size of an elite NFL cornerback, will push him out of the draft entirely.
But no matter where his pro stock is, the reality was that he had already run out of options at the college level. Going pro is the only place for Mathieu to go.


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Google CEO Rejected From App Store
"Eric is obviously doing a terrific job as CEO of Google, and we look forward to his contributions as a member of Apple's board of directors. Like Apple, Google is very focused on innovation and we think Eric's insights and experience will be very valuable in helping to guide Apple in the years ahead."
–Apple CEO Steve Jobs, August 2006
"Apple is one of the companies in the world that I most admire. I'm really looking forward to working with Steve and Apple's board to help with all of the amazing things Apple is doing."
–Google CEO Eric Schmidt, August 2006
Asked earlier this year if he would resign from Apple's board in the face of Federal Trade Commission scrutiny of the close ties between the two companies' boards of directors, Google CEO Eric Schmidt replied simply, "It hasn't crossed my mind."
Well, apparently it has now.
Citing the growing overlap of the two companies' businesses, Schmidt is giving up his seat on Apple's board, which he has held since August 2006.
"Eric has been an excellent Board member for Apple, investing his valuable time, talent, passion and wisdom to help make Apple successful," said Steve Jobs, Apple's CEO. "Unfortunately, as Google enters more of Apple's core businesses, with Android and now Chrome OS, Eric's effectiveness as an Apple Board member will be significantly diminished, since he will have to recuse himself from even larger portions of our meetings due to potential conflicts of interest. Therefore, we have mutually decided that now is the right time for Eric to resign his position on Apple's Board."
"I have very much enjoyed my time on the Apple board," Schmidt said in a statement of his own. "It's a fantastic company. But as Apple explained today we've agreed it makes sense for me to step down now."
A wise move. Schmidt's boardroom role was already reduced because of competitive issues between the iPhone and Android and between Safari and Chrome. Given the obvious competitive issues between the Mac and Google operating systems, it is inevitable that his board involvement would shrink again. Had he retained his seat, Schmidt would have likely spent more time standing outside Apple's boardroom than in it.
So why bother? Better to step down and avoid the appearance of impropriety, especially when regulators seem to be singling Google (GOOG) out for all manner of scrutiny. Certainly, Apple (AAPL) must be relieved to have the guy with the FTC target on his back out of the boardroom.
And relations between the two companies must have been a bit strained by this Google Voice for iPhone debacle.