Dr.  Smith,  the  civil  issue,  each  being  supreme  in  its  own  sphere,
and  each  being,  independently  of  the  other,  responsible
unto  Him  of  whom  civil  and  ecclesiastical  powers  are
alike  ordained.  If  in  any  case  the  State  decide  in
one  way  and  the  Church  in  another,  neither  is  bound  to
acquiesce  in  the  other's  judgment.  Such  a  case  actually
occurred  only  thirty  years  ago,  and  we  said  to  the  State,
If  you  seek  to  interfere  with  our  spiritual  privileges
because  you  give  us  money,  take  away  your  en-
dowments; and  they  did,  and  we  severed  the  con-
nexion. Let  the  Pope  do  the  same,  and  we  have  no
fault  to  find  with  him.  But,  says  Dr.  Manning,  the
Church  is  persecuted.  Well,  I  do  not  say  that  I
would  have  done  all  the  things  that  have  been
done  by  the  German  Emperor,  but  I  would  do  a
great  deal  more  than  his  Majesty  finds  it  possible
to  do.  It  may  be  that  things  have  been  done
which  are  not  in  accordance  with  the  spirit  and
genius  of  our  own  land.  But  I  must  remember  I
am  not  a  German  legislator,  and  it  is  not  likely  I
ever  shall  be,  and  therefore  I  cannot  say  what  ought
or  ought  not  to  have  been  done  in  the  carrying
out  of  a  very  grand  and  desirable  object.     But,  says

Dr.  Man-  Dr.  Manning,  these  men  are  persecutors.  Well,  you
in  England  here  know  something  of  what  persecu-
tion is.  You  have  heard,  I  think,  of  one  Mary  Tudor,
— you  have  heard  of  Gardiner — Bishop  Gardiner, —
and  of  Bishop  Bonner  ; — ay,  and  you  have  heard,  too.
