16,002.  Including  the  county  boroughs  and  the  non-county  boroughs  P—
Yes.
16,098.  Then  Manchester  and  Liverpool  would  be  subject  to  the
authority  of  this  provincial,  that  is,  Lancashire  county  authority,  in  the
same  way  that  Darwen  and  Olitheroe  would  be  P — Yes.
16,094.  You  would  not  be  satisfied,  then,  with  the  rights  which  the  non-
county  boroughs  now  have  as  being  themselves  part  of  the  population
which  elect  members  to  the  county  council  P — Certainly  not.
16.095.  Assuming  that  there  should  be  such  an  authority  for  all
Lancashire,  wonld  the  representation  of  the  boroughs  upon  it  be  according
to  population,  or  according  to  rateable  value  p— I  say  according  to  popu-
lation ;  you  are  dealing  with  individuals,  and  not  with  rateable  value  at
aU.
16.096.  Would  you  r^resent  anything  else  upon  it  besides  the  boroughB
and  rural  areas  P— Yes,  I  should  certainly  take  the  local  university.
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.  16,097.  In  whal  way  ahonld  yon  take  it  P — ^I  shoold  say  that  they  ought
themselYes  to  appoint  members  to  represent  them  on  the  pzovind&L  body.
- 16,098.  How  large  do  you  snppose  this  proyinolal  body  (whioh  in  the
case  of  Laneashire  would  be  the  county  body)  to  be  ? — ^Lancashire  is  a
pretty  big  district ;  I  do  not  know  the  exact  population,  but  the  total
rateable  value  of  the  county  is  20  millions  now.
16.099.  Would  it  be  as  big  or  smaller  than  the  present  county  council  P
— Smaller.
16.100.  How  much  smaller  P— I  should  say  considerably  smaller,  if  you
want  good  work  done.    I  do  not  belieye  in  big  bodies  at  all.
16.101.  Ton  think  a  body  of  30  or  40  large  enough  ? — ^Tes,  large  enough
for  anything.
