— I am a labourer, I live near Kaiwarra; 1 was at Qkiwi on the 11th April, at the prisoner's house, about 10 in the morn ing ; there was Lecky, Boatswain, the prisoner, and the deceased James Meney ; I called for some rum, the remainder of the party got gin, I called for it; the deceased then called lor another round, after this, we each called for another round ; during the time that we were drinking some words took place between the prisoner and deceased,; the prisoner charged him with having said something at the Hutt against Boatswain; prisoner challenged de ceased to fight ; he did not wish to do so ; prisoner caught deceased by the breast of the jacket, pulling him with the intention of mak ing deceased fight ; they did not fight, I sepa rated them ; there was another row between Boatswain and prisoner, in that row I saw Boatswain knock the prisoner down ; deceased had nothing to do with Jhat row ; after this row I saw a rifle in prisoner's hand, 1 don't know how or where he got it ; I can't tell what he was going to do with it, Boatswain took it away and took it outside the room ; I saw it afterwards in the hands of the Maori woman, (who lived with prisoner,) this was about 4 or 5 minutes afterwards ; I wanted to go on. 