If tho.se foices had been tolerably managed by a man of oi diuary capability, ho believed that hundreds of thou sands, nay millions, would have been saved to the colony ; hundreds, and he feared he might say thou sands, of lives spared ; aud that three years ago the relations between the two races might have been put into the position to which we were now struggling through a piodigal expenditure of blood and money. Therefore his opinion of tho policy was unchanged by the accident of its not having succeeded as well as it might have been expected to do ; but as he believed theie were but very few such phenomena in the woild as Colonel Gold, so he believed that that might have been tried again and again and would have succeeded. Unfortunately it happened to be tried under peculiarly unfortunate circumstances. He could not, however, for the reasons he had before stated, expect his Grace ontirely to coincide with these opinions of his own. Moreover, as a matter of opinion, no amount of dispu tation would, in his opinion, convince anybody. (Mr. FitzGeiuld : Hear, hear). Consequently he should never have* been'so sanguine as to expect to convince his honoiable friend, the member for Ellesrnere. He believed that honorable member to be proof against all argument. (Laughter.) As he had said, he thought it unnecessary for him to endeavour to pledge the House to any approval of the policy in question. It was a question of the past ; and he for one wan perfectly content to leave it an open question. But it was otherwise with the other question. It appealed to him that his Excellency Sir George Giey had been unfortunate either in his mode of obtaining information, or in the form of language in which he endeavoured to convey his idea. (Hear, hear.) He (Mr. W.) could not but refer to speeches which his Excellency had made, in his opinion, astounding, and which they had heard reported during the recess. He remembered one speech at Otaki, in which his Excellency spoke of the opposi tion he leceived from the Roman Catholic natives, giving the idea that the leaders of the king movement were members of that community, a thing which every hon. member, at all acquainted with the matter, knew was not the case. 