James Rntislield said the best thing was to petition the Government. He did not agree about Commissioners, if the Govern ment paid the salary. If thcro were com missions, let the Maoris pay thorn. I say, let us havo Maori Commissioners. If tho Government hold out money before any Commissioner, of course he would follow after the Government. He would say send the petition, and all that the Go vernor said about their rights to sell land, the same as they sold pigs and potatoes. Kereli said : 1 have no faith iv the peti tion. 11l olden days our fathers had nothing to do but cat one another, but the pakcha turned our thoughts to their laws. When we came to the Europcaus we had no mouey, so sold land, ft is now too late to remedy the evil of our position. If we go ou with this pptition no good pan come of it, as the Government changes. Hoto Thompson said ; Wo have been watching what the Native Minister said, This is the third Native Minister appointed, and a dozen Commissioners have been op pointcd, but no good has come of them, and 1 don't sec that Waikato has beeu returned to the Maoris yet. 1 think myself that is what we should talk about—getting back Waikato. All you people who are speaking here have only yomselvcs to blame for what you do about petitions. There havo been very clever persons cast aside. Do you people think you are more wise, and can do any better? Ido not like this petition. Hare lliini said : This petition is a thing for the future, not of tho past days. I have in tho past supported, European and native members—from t)te time Judge Eenton was appointed—but no good has come of my support. AYe have received no good. Let us agree to this petitiou, and see how it ac.ts, Nga Wiki, of the Ngafihana, said : The members we have hud in the past have dono us no good. VVi Tako was appointed, hut did no good, Iloni Nahc was next appointed, and he has done nothing. They leave the Maoris, and follow another course. A Maori Minister would do us no service. If there was a Maori and a European Minister both might do good. 