(Hear, bear.) He would not detain the House further at that late hour, ex cept to say a few words with reference to the im portant question as to the policy of making the Legislative Council elective or not. Now, upon this point he must say he differed widely both from the right bon. gentleman and the hon. ba ronet the member for Southwark. When he mo ved for leave to bring in the bill he urged a fact which could not be contravened" — that there we had no precedent for an elective Upper House. (Hear, bear.) The right bon. gentleman the member for the University of Oxford said he wished to draw a precedent from the United States of America. His. (Sir J. Pakington's) answer to that was, that he would rather draw a precedent from Great Britain (bear), and he was disposed to think that, however lightly the right hon. gentleman might treat the idea/ it was a ge neral feeling in our colonies. No complaints ex isted with respect to. a nominee Upper Chamber in any of our existing colonies. (Hear, bear.) It would be remembered that the proposal to give an elective Upper Chamber to the Cape of Good Hope excited very strong feelings of alarm in that colony ; that it was anything but a popular proposal even now ; and his (Sir J. Pakington's belief was that Parliament would yet be obliged to change it, in deference to the wishes of the co lonists. (Hear, hear.) It was a well known fact that where there were two elective chambers, great difficulty was felt as to the mode of election which would give to the Legislature the full value derived from the check of an Upper Chamber. (Hear, bear.) Nothing, he believed, was more difficult than to find such a mode of election. 