Mr.  Smyseb.  But  in  using  the  force  that  you  did  use  were  you  cruel
and  rough  ?

Mr.  Lloyd.  We  could  not  be  otherwise — that  is,  if  I  understand
the  word  cruelty.  If  I  understand  the  meaning  of  the  word  cruelty —
to  force  a  patient  down  a^inst  his  will,  and  to  do  that  using  all  the
strength  that  you  can  mamtain,  in  order  to  carry  into  execution  the
order  of  the  physician  who  gave  the  orders  for  this  patient  to  be
restrained — if  I  understand  the  word  cruel,  it  must  be  cruel.
Mr.  Smyseb.  But  it  was  not  done  for  the  purpose  of  hurting  the
patient?

Mr.  Lloyd.  It  was  not.  It  was  to  preserve  the  patient  against
attacking  others  and  prevent  himself  from  injuring  himself.
Mr.  Babghfeld.  That  is  not  cruelty.    That  is  merely  force.
^  Mr.  Lloyd.  Well,  I  would  not 'consider  it  cruelty.     I  merely  con-
sidered it  the  absolute  force  that  vou  have  to  maintain  in  order  to
carry  into  force  the  order  of  the  pnysician  to  prevent  the  patient  from
injuring  himself  or  from  injuring  others.
The  committee  (at  3.30  p.  m.)  adjourned  until  Tuesday,  June  26,
1906,  at  10  o'clock,  a.  m.
House  of  Representatives,  Tuesday^  June  £6, 1906.
The  committee  met  at  10  o'clock  a.  m.
Present:  Messrs.  Olcott  (chairman),  Smyser,  Barchfeld,  Tay,  and
Wallace;  also.  Doctor  White,  Mr.  Evans,  and  others.
ABDITIONAIi  TESTIMONY  07  P.  J.  MABTIN.
P.  J.  Martin,  having  been  heretofore  duly  sworn,  was  recalled  and
testified  as  follows:

The  Chairman.  What  is  your  name!

Mr.  Martin.  P.  J.  Martin.
The  Chairman.  Are  you  an  employee  at  St.  Elizabeth's!

Mr.  Martin.  I  am.
The  Chairman.  What  is  your  employment  there!

Mr.  Martin.  I  am  a  nurse  there.
