66B1.  Have  you  anything  to  say  with  regard  to  the  system  of  scholar-
ship examinations  in  addition  to  what  you  have  already  told  us  ? — No,
nouiing  particidar.  I  do  not  think  there  is  a  sufficient  number  of  them,
and  I  think  the  subjects  should  be  modified  and  elastic  so  as  to  provide
for  a  boy  who  may  be  very  clever  in  one  subject,  and  may  not  take,  for
instance,  classics.  Hitherto  scholarships  have  been  for  either  classics  or
mathematics,  but  very  rarely  for  science.  I  think  there  should  be  optional
subjects,  the  same  as  for  the  degrees.  Also  I  rather  differ  from  Mr.
MacGarthy  with  regard  to  clever  and  promising  pupils.  I  think  it  ia  a
mistake  commercially,  socially,  and  educationally,  to  encourage  tlie
children  of  the  working  classes  to  proceed  especially  to  the  endowed
schools  if  they  are  only  of  second  or  third  rate  ability.  I  think,  it  is
raising  them  out  of  their  position  and  only  making  them  more  unhappy  in
afterlife.
6632,  Do  you  share  Mr.  Mac  Oarthy's  views  with  regard  to  the  impor>
taace  of  distinguishing  between  what  he  calls  the  endowed  secondary
schools  and  the  board  secondary  schools  P — I  do  not  attach  the  same
importance  to  the  distinction  as  he  does,  because  in  many  cases  you  would
be  obliged  to  put  up  with  one.  I  do  not  care  whether  it  is  a  board  secondary
or  an  endowed  secondary,  provided  it  is  a  good  secondary  school.
f  6633.  Under  whom  would  you  place  such  a  secondary  school ;  under  ^qcal  Orgawi-
what  governors,  and  under  what  system  ? — ^I  prefer,  as  Mr.  MacCarthy        satiojc.
