Q.   And  you  expect  to  take  all  the  institutions  and  all  of  the  property   The  present

of  the  capitahsts?    A.   Communize  it,  nationalize  it,  immediately.       owners  of
^  77./  property  to

Q.  Well,  you  mean  take  it  away  from  the  present  owners  and  do   be  dis-
what  you  please  with  it?     A.   Yes.  .  .  .  possessed.
Q.  I  certainly  want  to  say  that  I  want  to  express  my  personal
respect  for  your  frankness.  A.  I  must  be  frank  or  be  untrue  to  my
principles.  They  are  universal  so  far  as  those  who  hold  those  be-
hefs  are  concerned.  If  I  were  to  get  on  the  stand  and  say  that
I  don't  beheve  in  a  class  war  and  in  overthrowing  the  capitalist
government,  I  would  be  lying.  .  ..
Q.  Do  you  mean  by  that,  ["capitahst  system"  or  "capitaHst   He  seeks
government"],  our  present  form  of  government  as  now  constituted?   Jj^^q^^q'J'

A.   Exactly.  the  govem-

Q.  That  is  a  capitahstic  government?     A.   Yes.  Unked°^  ^^^

Q.   And  when  you  say  that  you  want  to  abolish  the  capitahst    States.
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Scope  of
the  term
sabotage.
Vincent
St.  John  on
sabotage.
How  the
1.  W.  W.
use     the
strike  and
sabotage.
government,  you  mean  the  United  States  government?  A.  I  mean
the  United  States  government  in  so  far  as  the  term  applies  to  this
country.  If  we  are  carrying  on  revolutionary  propaganda  in  this
country,  we  mean  the  overthrow  of  the  United  States  govern-
ment. ...
