The  Chairman.  Will  your  records  enable  you  to  produce  for  the
committee  the  figures  of  commissions  paid  to  him  up  to  that  time  ?

Mr.  Carse.  I  think  30.
The  Chairman.  What  did  you  understand  this  commission  that
has  been  recited  here  as  82,000  francs  to  be  for?  What  was  that
commission  for?

Mr.  Carse.  The  Spanish  company  would  have  remitted  to  us  in
pesetas  5  percent  of  the  amounts  that  they  had  received  on  a  con-
tract for  submarine  boats  for  the  Spanish  Government.
Senator  Clark.  That  was  in  addition  to  your  share,  was  it  not?

Mr.  Carse.  Yes.  Our  share  came  later.  His  share  came  first.
As  he  was  in  Paris  we  converted  the  pesetas  into  francs  and  sent
him  a  draft  for  francs.
Senator  Boke.  Does  it  appear  in  the  records  who  owns  this  Span-
ish company?

The  Chairman.  It  does  not  yet.  I  think  now  might  be  a  good  time
to  develop  that  point.
Who  owns  the  Spanish  company?

Mr.  Carse.  I  do  not  know.    We  have  no  knowledge  of  that  at  all.
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The  Chairman.  You  do,  however,  have  knowledge  that  Zaharoff
was  very  extensively  interested  in  it?

Mr.  Carse.  We  believe  he  was,  but  we  have  no  definite  knowledge.
Senator  Pope.  You  do  not  know  whether  he  is  a  stockholder  in
the  company  or  not?

Mr.  Carse.  No.
Senator  Bone.  Do  you  know  whether  Vickers  had  any  interest
in  it?

Mr.  Carse.  We  do  not  know,  but  we  believe  they  have  an  interest
in  it.
Senator  Clark.  You  knew  Cravens  was  an  officer  of  the  Spanish
company,  did  you  not?

Mr.  Carse.  During  the  last  few  years  he  has  become  an  officer.
