Mr.  Downie  was  a  member  of  the  British
Convention  ?— Yes.
Mr.  Bonthom? — Yes.
Are  you  sure  of  it  ? — ^I  only  believe  he  was.
I  am  not  certain.
Did  you  ever  hear  where  this  convention
was  to  meet? — No,  somewhere  in  England.
And  it  was  for  the  same  purposes  as  the
British  Convention  met  last  year?— -The  saaoia
purpose  as  William  Pitt  aiid  the  duke  of
nichroond  had  before.
Was  it  or  not  for  the  same  ohiects  as  the
British  Convention? — ^llie  British  Conven*
tion  had  the  same  object  in  view  Pitt  and  the
duke  of  Richmond  had  twelve  years  ago,  and
they  meant  if  ever  they  met,  to  follow  no
other  plan.
I  want  to  know  whether  you  have  ever
heard  any  conversation  about  arms?— Kever
in  any  of^these  committees.
Did  you  ever  hear  any  elsewhere? — ^Yes,  I
have  in  occasional  accidental  meetings  out  of
doors,  among  people  not  connected  with  the
British  Convention  or  those  committees.
What  were  the  conversations,  and  with
whom? — I  cannot  condescend  upon  a  single
individual,  I  had  conversation  with  so  many.
Can  you  swear  that  ?  --- 1  certainly  can
swear  that  I  have  heard  it  spoke  a  dosen
years  ago,  when  Pitt's  reform  was  first  spoke
of.  I  have  heard  it  said  no  such  thing  could
be  done  without  a  convulsion,  and  without
arms.
Did  you  ever  hear  it  six  months  ago,  dr
nine  months?— No,  neither  eight  or  nine.
Did  you  ever  see  a  pike?— I  have  seen  a
pike  in  George  Ross*s  house.
Did  not  a  Committee  of  Union  meet  there  ?
—It  was  not  in  their  hearing  nor  any  of  the
members.
Did  you  ever  see  a  pike  in  George  Ross's
house? — ^Yes.
