<story><title>Understanding Complexity Like an Engineer – The Case of the Ladybird Browser</title><url>https://t-shaped.nl/understanding-complexity-like-an-engineer-the-case-of-the-ladybird-browser</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>ofrzeta</author><text>Related (chat with Andreas Kling about SerenityOS and Ladybird):&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&amp;#x2F;item?id=36620450&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&amp;#x2F;item?id=36620450&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;However I don&amp;#x27;t understand why many people are longing for Ladybird as another free browser. There are already some and Firefox is losing marketshare every day. So please do use it.&lt;p&gt;Ok, I guess Mozilla Foundation&amp;#x27;s running the Firefox project is not to everyones liking, so that would be a valid reason. But not to throw out the baby with the bathwater.&lt;p&gt;Firefox is a great browser and the only reason I sometimes use Chrome is that more and more sites require Chrome (e.g. Teams).</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>NoboruWataya</author><text>I think it&amp;#x27;s more excitement about the &lt;i&gt;idea that it is possible&lt;/i&gt; to write a web browser from scratch, than about this specific browser. This is just one of the most promising implementations of that idea.&lt;p&gt;I am very much team Firefox and think it is important to protect and promote it as much as possible. But I don&amp;#x27;t think the attention that people are giving to Ladybird would otherwise be dedicated to Firefox. Maybe when Ladybird gets more functional and stable they might become competitors but not right now.&lt;p&gt;IMO it is exactly because building a fully featured browser from scratch is considered basically impossible today, that we so desperately need Firefox to succeed.</text></comment>
<story><title>Understanding Complexity Like an Engineer – The Case of the Ladybird Browser</title><url>https://t-shaped.nl/understanding-complexity-like-an-engineer-the-case-of-the-ladybird-browser</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>ofrzeta</author><text>Related (chat with Andreas Kling about SerenityOS and Ladybird):&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&amp;#x2F;item?id=36620450&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&amp;#x2F;item?id=36620450&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;However I don&amp;#x27;t understand why many people are longing for Ladybird as another free browser. There are already some and Firefox is losing marketshare every day. So please do use it.&lt;p&gt;Ok, I guess Mozilla Foundation&amp;#x27;s running the Firefox project is not to everyones liking, so that would be a valid reason. But not to throw out the baby with the bathwater.&lt;p&gt;Firefox is a great browser and the only reason I sometimes use Chrome is that more and more sites require Chrome (e.g. Teams).</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>apex_sloth</author><text>Side note: 
Teams works for me in firefox on linux if I change the UserAgent with this add-on:&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;mybrowseraddon.com&amp;#x2F;custom-useragent-string.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;mybrowseraddon.com&amp;#x2F;custom-useragent-string.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;For these urls&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;teams.microsoft.com&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;teams.microsoft.com&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;statics.teams.cdn.office.net&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;statics.teams.cdn.office.net&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;To 
Mozilla&amp;#x2F;5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit&amp;#x2F;537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome&amp;#x2F;85.0.4183.102 Safari&amp;#x2F;537.36 Edg&amp;#x2F;85.0.564.51</text></comment>