<story><title>1Password delisting forum posts critical of their new Electron based 1Password 8</title><url>https://1password.community/discussion/128419/version-8-in-the-apple-app-store/p6</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>snoopy_telex</author><text>I went through the process evaluating Bitwarden recently. It&amp;#x27;s a shame but it&amp;#x27;s many years behind 1Password and their roadmap doesn&amp;#x27;t really appear... hopeful towards catching up.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;m waiting for someone to actually build a better 1Password, learning from the mistakes, rather then migrating to something else right now.</text></item><item><author>dkonofalski</author><text>As someone who has been using 1Password from almost the very beginning, I think the issue with the forum stuff is trust. If you&amp;#x27;re trusting a company to store your passwords and credentials in the cloud, then there&amp;#x27;s a certain level of transparency and openness that&amp;#x27;s required. I also have not had any issues with the subscription model, despite using standalone vaults for as long as possible, and the performance is fine for me on v8 (but I also have the newest Macbook with max RAM so that might not be the case for people on older&amp;#x2F;less-capable machines).&lt;p&gt;I, personally, am not happy about the way that this or the subscription update have been handled because, to me, it makes me question how they would communicate something far more serious. If they&amp;#x27;re delisting forum posts because of a decision to not update their app in the Mac App Store yet, how can I be sure that they won&amp;#x27;t delist forum posts when they have a data breach? How can I be sure that they&amp;#x27;re not obfuscating other things that are more important than forum posts to try and sweep bigger issues under the rug? It&amp;#x27;s like the old adage goes - &amp;quot;If you&amp;#x27;re willing to lie about something that doesn&amp;#x27;t matter, what are you willing to do about something that does?&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;These moves are forcing me to, at the very least, start looking at a new password manager. 1Password is still the best, in my opinion, in terms of features and usability but that won&amp;#x27;t always be the case and transparency and respect for your users are far more important to me than niche features. If I can&amp;#x27;t trust your company over something small, there&amp;#x27;s no way I&amp;#x27;m going to continue trusting them with some of the most important info in my life. I currently use both LastPass (not a fan) and 1Password. I&amp;#x27;ll be re-evaluating KeePass and Bitwarden because of this.</text></item><item><author>n42</author><text>Why does 1Password always bring so much controversy in discussion forums? I’ve been a happy paying customer for 10 (!) years. I was there for the migration to a subscription model. I introduced Teams at my company eagerly when it launched. I updated to 1P8 recently without thinking about it, saw the new UI, thought “huh, neat” and moved on. Performance is fine. I barely noticed the change.&lt;p&gt;I am a professional, and don’t mind paying their very reasonable subscription so they can continue to actively maintain the security and functionality of the software that literally protects my entire digital identity. I’m baffled by how many people in our industry are upset by their business model. If you’re making six figures writing software and think $3&amp;#x2F;month for a cornerstone of your security suite is offensive, you need to grow the fuck up, frankly.&lt;p&gt;Likewise, I don’t care how they moderate their forums.&lt;p&gt;The comments in these threads always feel so self entitled. Use another piece of software if those things are important to you. Plenty of us understand and appreciate the value these guys are creating for us. For me, nothing compares. I’ve tried Keepass, Bitwarden, Apple’s built-in thing, Enpass; they are all either amateurish or missing key functionality that 1Password has that I use every day. All the same, I’m happy they exist. Some day I may need them. I hope more pop up.&lt;p&gt;Anyways, if you’re a dev or employee at 1P I’m writing this for you. Sorry about the jerks. Plenty of us out here love what you are doing.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>Alupis</author><text>What features are missing specifically?&lt;p&gt;As a happy paying (both corporate and personal) Bitwarden user, the only gripe I had was the lack of multiple-profiles on the same device (which was recently added and works great). We came from KeePass though, so we&amp;#x27;re likely a more &amp;quot;spartan&amp;quot; user of password managers than some.</text></comment>
<story><title>1Password delisting forum posts critical of their new Electron based 1Password 8</title><url>https://1password.community/discussion/128419/version-8-in-the-apple-app-store/p6</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>snoopy_telex</author><text>I went through the process evaluating Bitwarden recently. It&amp;#x27;s a shame but it&amp;#x27;s many years behind 1Password and their roadmap doesn&amp;#x27;t really appear... hopeful towards catching up.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;m waiting for someone to actually build a better 1Password, learning from the mistakes, rather then migrating to something else right now.</text></item><item><author>dkonofalski</author><text>As someone who has been using 1Password from almost the very beginning, I think the issue with the forum stuff is trust. If you&amp;#x27;re trusting a company to store your passwords and credentials in the cloud, then there&amp;#x27;s a certain level of transparency and openness that&amp;#x27;s required. I also have not had any issues with the subscription model, despite using standalone vaults for as long as possible, and the performance is fine for me on v8 (but I also have the newest Macbook with max RAM so that might not be the case for people on older&amp;#x2F;less-capable machines).&lt;p&gt;I, personally, am not happy about the way that this or the subscription update have been handled because, to me, it makes me question how they would communicate something far more serious. If they&amp;#x27;re delisting forum posts because of a decision to not update their app in the Mac App Store yet, how can I be sure that they won&amp;#x27;t delist forum posts when they have a data breach? How can I be sure that they&amp;#x27;re not obfuscating other things that are more important than forum posts to try and sweep bigger issues under the rug? It&amp;#x27;s like the old adage goes - &amp;quot;If you&amp;#x27;re willing to lie about something that doesn&amp;#x27;t matter, what are you willing to do about something that does?&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;These moves are forcing me to, at the very least, start looking at a new password manager. 1Password is still the best, in my opinion, in terms of features and usability but that won&amp;#x27;t always be the case and transparency and respect for your users are far more important to me than niche features. If I can&amp;#x27;t trust your company over something small, there&amp;#x27;s no way I&amp;#x27;m going to continue trusting them with some of the most important info in my life. I currently use both LastPass (not a fan) and 1Password. I&amp;#x27;ll be re-evaluating KeePass and Bitwarden because of this.</text></item><item><author>n42</author><text>Why does 1Password always bring so much controversy in discussion forums? I’ve been a happy paying customer for 10 (!) years. I was there for the migration to a subscription model. I introduced Teams at my company eagerly when it launched. I updated to 1P8 recently without thinking about it, saw the new UI, thought “huh, neat” and moved on. Performance is fine. I barely noticed the change.&lt;p&gt;I am a professional, and don’t mind paying their very reasonable subscription so they can continue to actively maintain the security and functionality of the software that literally protects my entire digital identity. I’m baffled by how many people in our industry are upset by their business model. If you’re making six figures writing software and think $3&amp;#x2F;month for a cornerstone of your security suite is offensive, you need to grow the fuck up, frankly.&lt;p&gt;Likewise, I don’t care how they moderate their forums.&lt;p&gt;The comments in these threads always feel so self entitled. Use another piece of software if those things are important to you. Plenty of us understand and appreciate the value these guys are creating for us. For me, nothing compares. I’ve tried Keepass, Bitwarden, Apple’s built-in thing, Enpass; they are all either amateurish or missing key functionality that 1Password has that I use every day. All the same, I’m happy they exist. Some day I may need them. I hope more pop up.&lt;p&gt;Anyways, if you’re a dev or employee at 1P I’m writing this for you. Sorry about the jerks. Plenty of us out here love what you are doing.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>ValentineC</author><text>I&amp;#x27;m a 1Password user, and the main thing that stopped me from using Bitwarden was them not having Account Switching.&lt;p&gt;They&amp;#x27;ve managed to implement it in their clients in March this year [1], and I&amp;#x27;ve been moving some of my shared credentials over to a self-hosted Vaultwarden server.&lt;p&gt;What other features do you think are missing from Bitwarden?&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;bitwarden.com&amp;#x2F;blog&amp;#x2F;account-switching-phased-rollout-for-bitwarden-clients&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;bitwarden.com&amp;#x2F;blog&amp;#x2F;account-switching-phased-rollout-...&lt;/a&gt;</text></comment>