<story><title>Legalizing sports gambling was a mistake</title><url>https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/09/legal-sports-gambling-was-mistake/679925/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>bombcar</author><text>Requiring gambling to be done at established facilities or even the sports facility itself and limiting the bets to five dollars or some nominal amount would solve 99% of the problems.</text></item><item><author>lumb63</author><text>I was a big proponent of legalizing sports gambling before it happened here in the US. After that, one of my best friends lost 5 figures on sports gambling that he really couldn’t afford to lose. I’ve also watched sports talk shows degrade to simple betting tips, and TV is now borderline unwatchable due to the pharmaceutical and gambling ads. To me, a few regulations&amp;#x2F;restrictions seem useful. I think broad legalization went too far.&lt;p&gt;One regulation would be banning gambling advertising, for the same reason why smoking ads are (I think?) banned. It is especially nefarious how companies lure in new customers with free bets, often with unscrupulous cash-out conditions, in order to get people hooked. It’s the equivalent of ads providing someone a coupon code to get several boxes of free cigarettes, at which point they get hooked.&lt;p&gt;Another change I’d like to see is the end of mobile gambling. I’ve never done it, but from watching friends do it, it was far too easy to deposit money, or borrow money on credit, and bet it frivolously. At least if such behavior is confined to a casino, there is some larger barrier to entry for people.&lt;p&gt;I do not know if this is true in other states, but certain states have the ability for an individual to self-institute a gambling ban at all facilities in the state. I’m not sure if this applies to gambling online. If not, then it should. And if other states don’t have it, then they would greatly benefit from it.&lt;p&gt;It also seems somewhat fair to me to tax the casinos and other companies profiting from gambling and using that money to fund services for people who become addicted. If you’re going to help create a problem, you should have to help clean it up.</text></item><item><author>jdietrich</author><text>Sports gambling has been legal in the UK since 1960. Gambling wasn&amp;#x27;t seriously problematic in this country until 2005, when regulations were substantially liberalised. Pre-2005, sports betting was something that old men did in dingy backstreet shops; post-2005, it became a widespread social phenomenon, turbocharged by advertising and the growing influence and accessibility of the internet.&lt;p&gt;There&amp;#x27;s a false dichotomy between prohibition and laissez-faire, which the US seems particularly prone to. You&amp;#x27;ve seen similar issues with the decriminalisation of cannabis, where many states seem to have switched abruptly from criminalisation to a fully-fledged commercial market. There is a broad spectrum of other options in between those points that tend to be under-discussed.&lt;p&gt;You can ban gambling advertising, as Italy did in 2019. You can set limits on maximum stakes or impose regulations to make gambling products less attractive to new customers and less risky for problem gamblers. You can have a single state-controlled parimutuel operator. Gambling does cause harm - whether it&amp;#x27;s legal or not - but it is within the purview of legislators to create a gambling market in which harm reduction is the main priority.</text></item><item><author>mlsu</author><text>Sports gambling, like all gambling, ruins lives. It&amp;#x27;s certainly worth having the discussion about whether people should be able to run a train through their life and the lives of their families via app.&lt;p&gt;But a much easier argument against sports betting is that it ruins the sports. Players throw. They get good at subtly cheating. The gambling apparatus latches itself to the sport, to the teams and players, the umpires and judges, the sporting organizations. With this much money on the line, it&amp;#x27;s not a matter of if but when games are thrown, cheated -- the bigger the game, the bigger the incentive. It&amp;#x27;s even easier now because of the amount of side&amp;#x2F;parlay betting that is available. It exhausts the spirit of competition.&lt;p&gt;Sports gambling is diametrically opposed to sport itself.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>acdha</author><text>The other thing I’d add is a mandatory system where people can tell the company not to allow them to bet with a lengthy time delay (say 90 days) to remove themselves from the list. Most people with problems know they have them at least some of the time and it’s important to give them tools to prevent moments of weakness.</text></comment>
<story><title>Legalizing sports gambling was a mistake</title><url>https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/09/legal-sports-gambling-was-mistake/679925/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>bombcar</author><text>Requiring gambling to be done at established facilities or even the sports facility itself and limiting the bets to five dollars or some nominal amount would solve 99% of the problems.</text></item><item><author>lumb63</author><text>I was a big proponent of legalizing sports gambling before it happened here in the US. After that, one of my best friends lost 5 figures on sports gambling that he really couldn’t afford to lose. I’ve also watched sports talk shows degrade to simple betting tips, and TV is now borderline unwatchable due to the pharmaceutical and gambling ads. To me, a few regulations&amp;#x2F;restrictions seem useful. I think broad legalization went too far.&lt;p&gt;One regulation would be banning gambling advertising, for the same reason why smoking ads are (I think?) banned. It is especially nefarious how companies lure in new customers with free bets, often with unscrupulous cash-out conditions, in order to get people hooked. It’s the equivalent of ads providing someone a coupon code to get several boxes of free cigarettes, at which point they get hooked.&lt;p&gt;Another change I’d like to see is the end of mobile gambling. I’ve never done it, but from watching friends do it, it was far too easy to deposit money, or borrow money on credit, and bet it frivolously. At least if such behavior is confined to a casino, there is some larger barrier to entry for people.&lt;p&gt;I do not know if this is true in other states, but certain states have the ability for an individual to self-institute a gambling ban at all facilities in the state. I’m not sure if this applies to gambling online. If not, then it should. And if other states don’t have it, then they would greatly benefit from it.&lt;p&gt;It also seems somewhat fair to me to tax the casinos and other companies profiting from gambling and using that money to fund services for people who become addicted. If you’re going to help create a problem, you should have to help clean it up.</text></item><item><author>jdietrich</author><text>Sports gambling has been legal in the UK since 1960. Gambling wasn&amp;#x27;t seriously problematic in this country until 2005, when regulations were substantially liberalised. Pre-2005, sports betting was something that old men did in dingy backstreet shops; post-2005, it became a widespread social phenomenon, turbocharged by advertising and the growing influence and accessibility of the internet.&lt;p&gt;There&amp;#x27;s a false dichotomy between prohibition and laissez-faire, which the US seems particularly prone to. You&amp;#x27;ve seen similar issues with the decriminalisation of cannabis, where many states seem to have switched abruptly from criminalisation to a fully-fledged commercial market. There is a broad spectrum of other options in between those points that tend to be under-discussed.&lt;p&gt;You can ban gambling advertising, as Italy did in 2019. You can set limits on maximum stakes or impose regulations to make gambling products less attractive to new customers and less risky for problem gamblers. You can have a single state-controlled parimutuel operator. Gambling does cause harm - whether it&amp;#x27;s legal or not - but it is within the purview of legislators to create a gambling market in which harm reduction is the main priority.</text></item><item><author>mlsu</author><text>Sports gambling, like all gambling, ruins lives. It&amp;#x27;s certainly worth having the discussion about whether people should be able to run a train through their life and the lives of their families via app.&lt;p&gt;But a much easier argument against sports betting is that it ruins the sports. Players throw. They get good at subtly cheating. The gambling apparatus latches itself to the sport, to the teams and players, the umpires and judges, the sporting organizations. With this much money on the line, it&amp;#x27;s not a matter of if but when games are thrown, cheated -- the bigger the game, the bigger the incentive. It&amp;#x27;s even easier now because of the amount of side&amp;#x2F;parlay betting that is available. It exhausts the spirit of competition.&lt;p&gt;Sports gambling is diametrically opposed to sport itself.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>verdverm</author><text>Limiting it to a licensed location, instead of app or website, and requiring cash instead of credit would likely be sufficient.</text></comment>