<story><title>Huawei teardown shows chip breakthrough</title><url>https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2023-09-04/look-inside-huawei-mate-60-pro-phone-powered-by-made-in-china-chip</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>janalsncm</author><text>There is so much hubris online about Chinese R&amp;amp;D. Every conversation about Chinese research papers seems to devolve into accusations of scientific fraud, as if academics aren’t driven by the same incentives and companies can’t tell the difference between real and fake research.&lt;p&gt;The fact is, there are some extremely talented researchers in China, and cutting them off from a specific technology is frankly too little too late. Either the US needs to cool their jingoistic jets a bit or they need to seriously consider whether direct competition is sustainable.&lt;p&gt;Yes, the US has undoubtedly the best higher education system in the world now, but this is largely driven by immigration from China and India. Will this still be the case in 30 years when India and China’s economies have matured and high paying tech jobs can be found elsewhere?&lt;p&gt;Right now the immigration system for technically minded immigrants makes no sense. Rather than providing a path to citizenship, the US is sending some of the most talented individuals back to their old countries, where they’ll be developing the economy of those countries rather than that of the US. It’s a terrible strategy that any country not hindered by two year election cycle myopia would rectify.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>roenxi</author><text>Hubris is the right word. There are two things here I think are worth noting:&lt;p&gt;1) The US just challenged the world&amp;#x27;s leading manufacturing power to manufacture new things. That plan is not going to work. They&amp;#x27;re up against a culture that builds, builds smart and builds quickly.&lt;p&gt;2) There is actual racism in the US that is tipping the research scales towards China [0]. Between that and the concerning trends in political destabilisation the states are relying on China making a lot of mistakes as a nation if they intend to keep ahead. The whole US model was importing the bright sparks from other cultures and supporting them with freedom and strong property rights.&lt;p&gt;[0] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.stanford.edu&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;11&amp;#x2F;18&amp;#x2F;stanford-community-members-decry-racial-profiling-chinese-scientists&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.stanford.edu&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;11&amp;#x2F;18&amp;#x2F;stanford-community-memb...&lt;/a&gt; - just one in a disturbing number of articles I&amp;#x27;ve been seeing.</text></comment>
<story><title>Huawei teardown shows chip breakthrough</title><url>https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2023-09-04/look-inside-huawei-mate-60-pro-phone-powered-by-made-in-china-chip</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>janalsncm</author><text>There is so much hubris online about Chinese R&amp;amp;D. Every conversation about Chinese research papers seems to devolve into accusations of scientific fraud, as if academics aren’t driven by the same incentives and companies can’t tell the difference between real and fake research.&lt;p&gt;The fact is, there are some extremely talented researchers in China, and cutting them off from a specific technology is frankly too little too late. Either the US needs to cool their jingoistic jets a bit or they need to seriously consider whether direct competition is sustainable.&lt;p&gt;Yes, the US has undoubtedly the best higher education system in the world now, but this is largely driven by immigration from China and India. Will this still be the case in 30 years when India and China’s economies have matured and high paying tech jobs can be found elsewhere?&lt;p&gt;Right now the immigration system for technically minded immigrants makes no sense. Rather than providing a path to citizenship, the US is sending some of the most talented individuals back to their old countries, where they’ll be developing the economy of those countries rather than that of the US. It’s a terrible strategy that any country not hindered by two year election cycle myopia would rectify.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>senttoschool</author><text>I find it funny how US nationalists keep bringing up that China can&amp;#x27;t innovate and can only steal&amp;#x2F;copy.&lt;p&gt;Have they looked inside a tech company office before? Have they seen how many Chinese immigrants&amp;#x2F;second generation Chinese Americans power high-tech US tech companies? Do they think that only the Chinese people in the US can innovate? And that once they&amp;#x27;re in China, they lose that ability?&lt;p&gt;Or have they read a science paper recently? China&amp;#x27;s universities dominate the Nature Index for high quality science output: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.nature.com&amp;#x2F;nature-index&amp;#x2F;annual-tables&amp;#x2F;2023&amp;#x2F;institution&amp;#x2F;all&amp;#x2F;all&amp;#x2F;global&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.nature.com&amp;#x2F;nature-index&amp;#x2F;annual-tables&amp;#x2F;2023&amp;#x2F;insti...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Heck, just read any science paper from top US universities. There&amp;#x27;s a good chance that one or more Chinese names are on it.</text></comment>