<story><title>Intel plans thousands of job cuts in face of PC slowdown</title><url>https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-11/intel-is-planning-thousands-of-job-cuts-in-face-of-pc-slowdown</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>tehnub</author><text>I don&amp;#x27;t have any data, but from word of mouth and variously seeing posts and videos online, 12th gen Intel CPUs seem pretty popular for gaming builds. They&amp;#x27;re winning in benchmarks against 50 series AMD (as they should, being newer), but are also cheaper. I&amp;#x27;ll be curious to see how 13th gen Intel vs. 70 series AMD plays out. There are always complicating factors, such as motherboards for 70 series AMD being quite pricey for now.</text></item><item><author>gspencley</author><text>I don&amp;#x27;t know a lot of the details, but everything I&amp;#x27;ve heard over the last couple of years indicated that AMD was absolutely crushing Intel.&lt;p&gt;A recent laptop I purchased, as well as the last desktop I put together (~2 years ago) each have Ryzen chips. I forget the details but in addition to performance issues, didn&amp;#x27;t Intel CPUs also have some major security vulnerabilities? And was it that they were related to instruction-level performance optimizations that, when disabled to address the security vulnerabilities, led to even worse performance?&lt;p&gt;So if AMD isn&amp;#x27;t doing great at the moment either, I can&amp;#x27;t imagine how hard Intel has been hit. I don&amp;#x27;t know &lt;i&gt;anyone&lt;/i&gt; who is buying or recommending Intel CPUs at the moment.</text></item><item><author>hn_throwaway_99</author><text>I think this is the first major layoff announcement at a big, established tech firm I&amp;#x27;ve heard this year that is anywhere near this size. I mean, there have been loads of &amp;quot;couple hundred&amp;quot; employee layoffs, and certainly a lot of hiring slowdown&amp;#x2F;freezes, but again, haven&amp;#x27;t seen anything else near this big, and the layoffs previously seem to have been concentrated in unprofitable VC-funded companies. I know Tesla laid off a couple thousand people this summer, that&amp;#x27;s the closest thing that comes to mind.&lt;p&gt;Intel certainly has its own unique challenges, but even, for example, AMD had been doing pretty great up until this year, and they also just announced a big shortfall for their 3rd quarter results. Just wondering if this is really the tip of the iceberg for a true, broad retrenchment in tech, after the past 9 months of &amp;quot;Is a recession coming? Is a recession coming?&amp;quot;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>AaronFriel</author><text>Intel repeated their Prescott (Pentium 4&amp;#x2F;Pentium D) strategy of completely removing power limitations on their team to beat AMD.&lt;p&gt;As a result, the Intel processors have TDPs and real world power usages &amp;gt;2.5x that of a comparable Ryzen. Sure, they&amp;#x27;re winning, &lt;i&gt;but at what cost&lt;/i&gt;? The 12900K at 240 watts pulls almost the same power as a 280W 64-core Threadripper.&lt;p&gt;AMD is responding in kind, with new top-end processors pulling 170W, or higher with their built-in overclocking that pushes the chip to even higher power draws as long as cooling permits. This looks to put them back into the lead, but it&amp;#x27;s just not a sustainable strategy.</text></comment>
<story><title>Intel plans thousands of job cuts in face of PC slowdown</title><url>https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-11/intel-is-planning-thousands-of-job-cuts-in-face-of-pc-slowdown</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>tehnub</author><text>I don&amp;#x27;t have any data, but from word of mouth and variously seeing posts and videos online, 12th gen Intel CPUs seem pretty popular for gaming builds. They&amp;#x27;re winning in benchmarks against 50 series AMD (as they should, being newer), but are also cheaper. I&amp;#x27;ll be curious to see how 13th gen Intel vs. 70 series AMD plays out. There are always complicating factors, such as motherboards for 70 series AMD being quite pricey for now.</text></item><item><author>gspencley</author><text>I don&amp;#x27;t know a lot of the details, but everything I&amp;#x27;ve heard over the last couple of years indicated that AMD was absolutely crushing Intel.&lt;p&gt;A recent laptop I purchased, as well as the last desktop I put together (~2 years ago) each have Ryzen chips. I forget the details but in addition to performance issues, didn&amp;#x27;t Intel CPUs also have some major security vulnerabilities? And was it that they were related to instruction-level performance optimizations that, when disabled to address the security vulnerabilities, led to even worse performance?&lt;p&gt;So if AMD isn&amp;#x27;t doing great at the moment either, I can&amp;#x27;t imagine how hard Intel has been hit. I don&amp;#x27;t know &lt;i&gt;anyone&lt;/i&gt; who is buying or recommending Intel CPUs at the moment.</text></item><item><author>hn_throwaway_99</author><text>I think this is the first major layoff announcement at a big, established tech firm I&amp;#x27;ve heard this year that is anywhere near this size. I mean, there have been loads of &amp;quot;couple hundred&amp;quot; employee layoffs, and certainly a lot of hiring slowdown&amp;#x2F;freezes, but again, haven&amp;#x27;t seen anything else near this big, and the layoffs previously seem to have been concentrated in unprofitable VC-funded companies. I know Tesla laid off a couple thousand people this summer, that&amp;#x27;s the closest thing that comes to mind.&lt;p&gt;Intel certainly has its own unique challenges, but even, for example, AMD had been doing pretty great up until this year, and they also just announced a big shortfall for their 3rd quarter results. Just wondering if this is really the tip of the iceberg for a true, broad retrenchment in tech, after the past 9 months of &amp;quot;Is a recession coming? Is a recession coming?&amp;quot;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>pojzon</author><text>Gamers prefer anything that has better performance for cheaper price.&lt;p&gt;Tho overall having a more stable PC that consumes less electricity is better in long term and ppl really see that.&lt;p&gt;It shows in sale numbers.</text></comment>