<story><title>Young women earn more than young men in several U.S. cities</title><url>https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/03/28/young-women-are-out-earning-young-men-in-several-u-s-cities/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>JamesBarney</author><text>My understanding is most of the mid career pay gap is due to women prioritizing child rearing over career.&lt;p&gt;There&amp;#x27;s a conundrum where you either have to respect women&amp;#x27;s choices and see the mid career pay gap as inevitable, or see women&amp;#x27;s desire to be prioritize  child rearing over career as internalized misogyny.</text></item><item><author>godelski</author><text>It&amp;#x27;s only surprising because people just repeat pay gap statistics and don&amp;#x27;t learn about them (I believe there are non good faith actors promoting this).&lt;p&gt;Pay gap for men and women only starts mid career. But this isn&amp;#x27;t the 80c on the dollar pay gap (that&amp;#x27;s median male earnings vs female). It&amp;#x27;s usually in the 90c range (iirc 93c is the median and even Uber found a pay gap in this range). There&amp;#x27;s also the glass ceiling. But neither of these things have a smoking gun to them. They are hard to solve and going to require a lot of us to start talking about them. So I&amp;#x27;m not sure why we only discuss median gender earnings, which isn&amp;#x27;t a great way to discuss fairness. It&amp;#x27;s especially bad when we discuss median gender wages as if they are controlling for variables (like the 90c+ gap does, which you see in part of this data). But don&amp;#x27;t let the bad discussion of median earnings prevent a discussion over the actual phenomena that exist.&lt;p&gt;Edit: there&amp;#x27;s a lot I didn&amp;#x27;t say here, I&amp;#x27;m glad others are adding more. But let&amp;#x27;s also try to be nuanced because it is a complicated topic. I also wanted to plug a podcast &amp;quot;The Pay Check&amp;quot; which goes in depth into these issues, including attempts to solve them. It&amp;#x27;s from the perspective of economics (by Bloomberg) and discusses all the common misconceptions like child rearing.</text></item><item><author>cs702</author><text>...which is not &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; surprising, because in the US more women than men have graduated from college over the past two decades (roughly):&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.pewresearch.org&amp;#x2F;wp-content&amp;#x2F;uploads&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;11&amp;#x2F;ft_2021.11.08_highered_01.png&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.pewresearch.org&amp;#x2F;wp-content&amp;#x2F;uploads&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;11&amp;#x2F;ft_20...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;In other words, this is a predictable consequence of the growing female-male gap in college enrollment and graduation rates:&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.pewresearch.org&amp;#x2F;fact-tank&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;11&amp;#x2F;08&amp;#x2F;whats-behind-the-growing-gap-between-men-and-women-in-college-completion&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.pewresearch.org&amp;#x2F;fact-tank&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;11&amp;#x2F;08&amp;#x2F;whats-behin...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>godelski</author><text>&amp;gt; My understanding is most of the mid career pay gap is due to women prioritizing child rearing over career.&lt;p&gt;This is a common misconception. The gap I&amp;#x27;m talking about can&amp;#x27;t fully be explained by this. It does affect the glass ceiling though, even if the women don&amp;#x27;t choose to have kids. I really do mean there&amp;#x27;s no smoking gun. You can even account for worse negotiations, prioritization of work life balance, work flexibility, family, and you don&amp;#x27;t fully explain a gap (albeit it does get smaller, but remember that even a 1% difference is significant here).&lt;p&gt;I really suggest listening to Rebecca Greenfield&amp;#x27;s The Paycheck. The first season goes into all this. I think it&amp;#x27;s a lot more convoluted and surprising to many. It&amp;#x27;s also not focused on median earnings and so I think is really good if you want to understand fairness (glass ceiling is also discussed). And I don&amp;#x27;t think anyone disagrees with your second paragraphs. Women should have choice. But there&amp;#x27;s still gaps that aren&amp;#x27;t explained and we shouldn&amp;#x27;t just easily dismiss them. I should also mention that this gap is in no way a phenomena strictly in America. It&amp;#x27;s global.&lt;p&gt;A lot of economists have put in a lot of work trying to understand this and there really is no agreement on what does cause it. So don&amp;#x27;t dismiss things so easily. Most problems in our modern and complex world have many casual factors and large casual graphs.</text></comment>
<story><title>Young women earn more than young men in several U.S. cities</title><url>https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/03/28/young-women-are-out-earning-young-men-in-several-u-s-cities/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>JamesBarney</author><text>My understanding is most of the mid career pay gap is due to women prioritizing child rearing over career.&lt;p&gt;There&amp;#x27;s a conundrum where you either have to respect women&amp;#x27;s choices and see the mid career pay gap as inevitable, or see women&amp;#x27;s desire to be prioritize  child rearing over career as internalized misogyny.</text></item><item><author>godelski</author><text>It&amp;#x27;s only surprising because people just repeat pay gap statistics and don&amp;#x27;t learn about them (I believe there are non good faith actors promoting this).&lt;p&gt;Pay gap for men and women only starts mid career. But this isn&amp;#x27;t the 80c on the dollar pay gap (that&amp;#x27;s median male earnings vs female). It&amp;#x27;s usually in the 90c range (iirc 93c is the median and even Uber found a pay gap in this range). There&amp;#x27;s also the glass ceiling. But neither of these things have a smoking gun to them. They are hard to solve and going to require a lot of us to start talking about them. So I&amp;#x27;m not sure why we only discuss median gender earnings, which isn&amp;#x27;t a great way to discuss fairness. It&amp;#x27;s especially bad when we discuss median gender wages as if they are controlling for variables (like the 90c+ gap does, which you see in part of this data). But don&amp;#x27;t let the bad discussion of median earnings prevent a discussion over the actual phenomena that exist.&lt;p&gt;Edit: there&amp;#x27;s a lot I didn&amp;#x27;t say here, I&amp;#x27;m glad others are adding more. But let&amp;#x27;s also try to be nuanced because it is a complicated topic. I also wanted to plug a podcast &amp;quot;The Pay Check&amp;quot; which goes in depth into these issues, including attempts to solve them. It&amp;#x27;s from the perspective of economics (by Bloomberg) and discusses all the common misconceptions like child rearing.</text></item><item><author>cs702</author><text>...which is not &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; surprising, because in the US more women than men have graduated from college over the past two decades (roughly):&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.pewresearch.org&amp;#x2F;wp-content&amp;#x2F;uploads&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;11&amp;#x2F;ft_2021.11.08_highered_01.png&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.pewresearch.org&amp;#x2F;wp-content&amp;#x2F;uploads&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;11&amp;#x2F;ft_20...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;In other words, this is a predictable consequence of the growing female-male gap in college enrollment and graduation rates:&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.pewresearch.org&amp;#x2F;fact-tank&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;11&amp;#x2F;08&amp;#x2F;whats-behind-the-growing-gap-between-men-and-women-in-college-completion&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.pewresearch.org&amp;#x2F;fact-tank&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;11&amp;#x2F;08&amp;#x2F;whats-behin...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>thathndude</author><text>It does feel like society is swinging towards the latter. I think there’s a non-negligible slice of the population that look down on women’s desire&amp;#x2F;choice to stay In the home and make child rearing their job.</text></comment>