<story><title>Your computer should say what you tell it to say</title><url>https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/08/your-computer-should-say-what-you-tell-it-say-1</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>clucas</author><text>&amp;gt; as if they already operate effective mind control at systemic scale.&lt;p&gt;If the logical conclusion of your reasoning is a mass mind control conspiracy, you should revisit your assumptions.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; somehow they can bully into submission basically the entire universe&lt;p&gt;I don&amp;#x27;t think anyone is bullying all of society. I think most people just don&amp;#x27;t care. It&amp;#x27;s really not that crazy, no mind control involved. Just good old fashioned apathy and ignorance.</text></item><item><author>nologic01</author><text>&amp;gt; A handful of companies have established chokepoints between buyers and sellers, performers and audiences, workers and employers, as well as families and communities. When those companies refuse to deal with you, your digital life grinds to a halt&lt;p&gt;This short paragraph summarizes the (ex-ante) improbably unusual situation we have drifted into.&lt;p&gt;The negatively affected stakeholders being enumerated are more or less the entire society.&lt;p&gt;These gatekeepers and chokepoint operators do have a few natural allies (the captured politicos, others in direct or indirect payroll, externality-blind markets). Yet somehow they can bully into submission basically the entire universe. With its infinite financial, political, intellectual resources.&lt;p&gt;Rather strange dont you think? It almost as if they already operate effective mind control at systemic scale.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>MSFT_Edging</author><text>Yeah this is a super deep issue but its not mind control.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s a mix of middlemen being the only industry that can still extract more profit, and a level of control over markets by Capital that makes most opinions meaningless.&lt;p&gt;Its essentially a return to feudalism, where certain people own vast swaths of productive space, they&amp;#x27;re untouchable in the legal system and real life, and one is forced to work for them.&lt;p&gt;To escape the system means leaving behind most of society depending on your convictions. These groups can kill you physically(Monsanto poisoning people with pesticides) or metaphorically(you lose all connection to the general societal social media) and nothing can be done.&lt;p&gt;For the first one, if you were to suggest violence against those doing violence against you, you&amp;#x27;re essentially told that violence is never the answer, except when its in the form of collateral damage for profit motive.&lt;p&gt;For the latter, its not nearly as life ending, annoying, but not life ending or even altering unless your livelihood is based around grifting on social media. For social media it is ironically democratic, if most people find you to be an annoying asshole, they sorta kick you off so you leave everyone alone. No different than getting kicked out of a bar for demanding to see someone&amp;#x27;s genitals.</text></comment>
<story><title>Your computer should say what you tell it to say</title><url>https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/08/your-computer-should-say-what-you-tell-it-say-1</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>clucas</author><text>&amp;gt; as if they already operate effective mind control at systemic scale.&lt;p&gt;If the logical conclusion of your reasoning is a mass mind control conspiracy, you should revisit your assumptions.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; somehow they can bully into submission basically the entire universe&lt;p&gt;I don&amp;#x27;t think anyone is bullying all of society. I think most people just don&amp;#x27;t care. It&amp;#x27;s really not that crazy, no mind control involved. Just good old fashioned apathy and ignorance.</text></item><item><author>nologic01</author><text>&amp;gt; A handful of companies have established chokepoints between buyers and sellers, performers and audiences, workers and employers, as well as families and communities. When those companies refuse to deal with you, your digital life grinds to a halt&lt;p&gt;This short paragraph summarizes the (ex-ante) improbably unusual situation we have drifted into.&lt;p&gt;The negatively affected stakeholders being enumerated are more or less the entire society.&lt;p&gt;These gatekeepers and chokepoint operators do have a few natural allies (the captured politicos, others in direct or indirect payroll, externality-blind markets). Yet somehow they can bully into submission basically the entire universe. With its infinite financial, political, intellectual resources.&lt;p&gt;Rather strange dont you think? It almost as if they already operate effective mind control at systemic scale.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>xphos</author><text>If they can kick the former president off his platform they can bully joe schmo off there platform. Whether you agree with the former president, he was in theory the most powerful person on the planet and had to submit to the powers of large tech companies. I think the idea that most people don&amp;#x27;t care is not a supported or found assumption either rather you just asserted it.</text></comment>