<story><title>Chrome Won</title><url>https://andreasgal.com/2017/05/25/chrome-won/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>gkoberger</author><text>Mozilla has had &amp;quot;we&amp;#x27;ll be #1 again once X is launched!&amp;quot; things since I was there 5 years ago (and servo was one of those things back then). It won&amp;#x27;t happen.&lt;p&gt;Mozilla won the browser war. Firefox lost the browser fight. But there&amp;#x27;s many wars left to fight, and I hope Mozilla dives into a new one.</text></item><item><author>lewisl9029</author><text>Agreed that Mozilla&amp;#x27;s original mission has been accomplished in spades, but I wouldn&amp;#x27;t count Mozilla out of the browser race just yet.&lt;p&gt;Servo and Webrender[0] will completely shake up the browser landscape, and will allow web apps to match (maybe even surpass?) native mobile apps in terms of rendering performance. Unless Chrome, IE, and Safari can develop an answer to Servo and Webrender by the time those technologies are ready for prime time, I wouldn&amp;#x27;t be surprised to see &amp;quot;Best viewed in Firefox&amp;quot; badges start popping up everywhere.&lt;p&gt;[0]&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;github.com&amp;#x2F;servo&amp;#x2F;webrender&amp;#x2F;wiki&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;github.com&amp;#x2F;servo&amp;#x2F;webrender&amp;#x2F;wiki&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;air.mozilla.org&amp;#x2F;bay-area-rust-meetup-february-2016&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;air.mozilla.org&amp;#x2F;bay-area-rust-meetup-february-2016&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>gkoberger</author><text>I agree with this blog post. But I don&amp;#x27;t think Mozilla lost.&lt;p&gt;I worked for Mozilla for a few years, after seeing John Lily (CEO at the time) speak. It was right after Chrome started getting popular, and a smug person in the crowd asked him about how he felt about Chrome.&lt;p&gt;John&amp;#x27;s response was awesome. &amp;quot;This is the web that we wanted. We exist not because we want everyone to use Firefox, but because we wanted people to have a choice&amp;quot; Firefox was a response to a world of &amp;quot;best viewed in IE&amp;quot; badges, and it changed the browser landscape.&lt;p&gt;Now, we have options. Chrome is great, but so are Safari, Edge, Brave, Opera and Firefox. There&amp;#x27;s a lot of options out there, and they&amp;#x27;re all standards compliment. And that&amp;#x27;s thanks to Mozilla.&lt;p&gt;So, in my mind, Mozilla won. It&amp;#x27;s a non-profit, and it forced us into an open web. We got the world they wanted. Maybe the world is a bit Chrome-heavy currently, but at least it&amp;#x27;s a standards compliment world.&lt;p&gt;I hope Mozilla sees that. I hope they take credit, and move on to what&amp;#x27;s next: privacy and net neutrality. Our privacy is under attack, and Mozilla is one of the few companies that can (and would want to) help. I know, I know. Nobody cares about privacy. Nobody cared about web standards, either, but Mozilla bundled it into an attractive package and it worked. It&amp;#x27;s time for Mozilla to declare victory, high five the Chrome team, and move on to the next big challenge.&lt;p&gt;We really need someone to fight for our privacy and neutrality. And I really believe that this could be Mozilla&amp;#x27;s swan song.&lt;p&gt;-----&lt;p&gt;EDIT: Hey cbeard - My email is in my profile; I&amp;#x27;d love to talk.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>larsberg</author><text>I&amp;#x27;m not quite ready to throw in the towel yet, though that&amp;#x27;s certainly a sentiment I hear a lot of around town :-)&lt;p&gt;As technology shifts to a world where most people do not have a monitor on their home computer or a screen on their phone, what it means to be a browser will dramatically change. Certainly, we could post-it the current user experience into whatever we will have tomorrow, but if VR, AR, Speech, and AI and ample cheap private computing power don&amp;#x27;t excite people for the future of browsers and user agency, I don&amp;#x27;t know what will.&lt;p&gt;I know we&amp;#x27;ve been working on tech such as Servo for a long time, but sometimes even just being &amp;quot;better&amp;quot; isn&amp;#x27;t enough, especially when there&amp;#x27;s a large legacy gap to close. You also need to get lucky with a point where consumers are making massive changes and open to new things.&lt;p&gt;I think that time is much sooner than the &amp;quot;always 5--10 years quoted&amp;quot;, and you&amp;#x27;re going to see mind-blowing things on the web in general and supported by the browser and related services specifically. And I&amp;#x27;m betting (at least with my current career) that Mozilla will lead the charge.</text></comment>
<story><title>Chrome Won</title><url>https://andreasgal.com/2017/05/25/chrome-won/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>gkoberger</author><text>Mozilla has had &amp;quot;we&amp;#x27;ll be #1 again once X is launched!&amp;quot; things since I was there 5 years ago (and servo was one of those things back then). It won&amp;#x27;t happen.&lt;p&gt;Mozilla won the browser war. Firefox lost the browser fight. But there&amp;#x27;s many wars left to fight, and I hope Mozilla dives into a new one.</text></item><item><author>lewisl9029</author><text>Agreed that Mozilla&amp;#x27;s original mission has been accomplished in spades, but I wouldn&amp;#x27;t count Mozilla out of the browser race just yet.&lt;p&gt;Servo and Webrender[0] will completely shake up the browser landscape, and will allow web apps to match (maybe even surpass?) native mobile apps in terms of rendering performance. Unless Chrome, IE, and Safari can develop an answer to Servo and Webrender by the time those technologies are ready for prime time, I wouldn&amp;#x27;t be surprised to see &amp;quot;Best viewed in Firefox&amp;quot; badges start popping up everywhere.&lt;p&gt;[0]&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;github.com&amp;#x2F;servo&amp;#x2F;webrender&amp;#x2F;wiki&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;github.com&amp;#x2F;servo&amp;#x2F;webrender&amp;#x2F;wiki&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;air.mozilla.org&amp;#x2F;bay-area-rust-meetup-february-2016&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;air.mozilla.org&amp;#x2F;bay-area-rust-meetup-february-2016&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>gkoberger</author><text>I agree with this blog post. But I don&amp;#x27;t think Mozilla lost.&lt;p&gt;I worked for Mozilla for a few years, after seeing John Lily (CEO at the time) speak. It was right after Chrome started getting popular, and a smug person in the crowd asked him about how he felt about Chrome.&lt;p&gt;John&amp;#x27;s response was awesome. &amp;quot;This is the web that we wanted. We exist not because we want everyone to use Firefox, but because we wanted people to have a choice&amp;quot; Firefox was a response to a world of &amp;quot;best viewed in IE&amp;quot; badges, and it changed the browser landscape.&lt;p&gt;Now, we have options. Chrome is great, but so are Safari, Edge, Brave, Opera and Firefox. There&amp;#x27;s a lot of options out there, and they&amp;#x27;re all standards compliment. And that&amp;#x27;s thanks to Mozilla.&lt;p&gt;So, in my mind, Mozilla won. It&amp;#x27;s a non-profit, and it forced us into an open web. We got the world they wanted. Maybe the world is a bit Chrome-heavy currently, but at least it&amp;#x27;s a standards compliment world.&lt;p&gt;I hope Mozilla sees that. I hope they take credit, and move on to what&amp;#x27;s next: privacy and net neutrality. Our privacy is under attack, and Mozilla is one of the few companies that can (and would want to) help. I know, I know. Nobody cares about privacy. Nobody cared about web standards, either, but Mozilla bundled it into an attractive package and it worked. It&amp;#x27;s time for Mozilla to declare victory, high five the Chrome team, and move on to the next big challenge.&lt;p&gt;We really need someone to fight for our privacy and neutrality. And I really believe that this could be Mozilla&amp;#x27;s swan song.&lt;p&gt;-----&lt;p&gt;EDIT: Hey cbeard - My email is in my profile; I&amp;#x27;d love to talk.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>pcwalton</author><text>Servo barely existed 5 years ago.</text></comment>