<story><title>Auto industry executives admit electric vehicle plans are in jeopardy</title><url>https://www.businessinsider.com/auto-executives-coming-clean-evs-arent-working-2023-10</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>NikolaNovak</author><text>I would love to own an EV, but even as a well-to-do middle income, they&amp;#x27;re just.so.expensive right now!&lt;p&gt;And they have to be a second car for many north American folks (due to distances and ranges involved),which unfortunately makes it even more of a luxury :-(&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;d be curious to hear more about handling part though. Outside of Tesla (which I&amp;#x27;ve never driven ; it&amp;#x27;s a personal thing but as soon as I see the &amp;quot;controls&amp;quot;, I jump out) , the EVs I&amp;#x27;ve tried (volt,ioniq, leaf) had great acceleration, but not great handling (turning etc). Tires, suspension and in particular extra weight all seemed to work against me in the corner.&lt;p&gt;They were all very &lt;i&gt;comfortable&lt;/i&gt;, and powerful, but I would not have called any of them well &lt;i&gt;handling&lt;/i&gt;.</text></item><item><author>avalys</author><text>I&amp;#x27;m, like, the world&amp;#x27;s biggest car enthusiast and I love EVs. For a daily driver, if you have a garage or a place to plug in daily, EVs are just a better experience than gas cars. They&amp;#x27;re smooth, quiet, and powerful and you never have to worry about stopping at a gas station - the car is ready to go every morning and you don&amp;#x27;t even have to think about it!&lt;p&gt;An electric drivetrain is a way better driving experience than the miserable turbocharged 4-cylinder engines that everyone has been forced to use for fuel economy reasons today, even premium brands like Mercedes and BMW. These are nasty, underpowered, vibrating pieces of shit with no torque and no power unless you run them at thousands of RPM, where they&amp;#x27;re loud and buzzy. Just complete fucking garbage.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s a shame EVs are not catching on, because they&amp;#x27;re really just better cars. I&amp;#x27;d definitely pay a premium for an EV (and I have). I suppose the problem is that, if you&amp;#x27;re not a car enthusiast, a $30k Toyota hybrid is still a better deal, even if it drives like shit.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>Royce-CMR</author><text>I’ve done multiple test drives of the model 3 performance and now own a Model Y. Everything below is my opinion and sample size of one… etc.&lt;p&gt;The model 3 is a great handling car - closest compare is a 2012ish BMW 335xi. It’s heavier and you can feel it in turns, but you can feel the low center of gravity, and the grip&amp;#x2F;acceleration curve compensates it out. For street use the tires grip and the car overall overpowers its weight. The suspension is good, really reminding me of the BMW. Note suspension is tuned like a BMW with surprisingly similar dampening but overall is not as mature as the 335xi was - on super bumpy roads the tires will stay in contact with the ground but you will feel the difference. The model 3 not going to be close to a Miata, but in its size class it’s a great time. I would totally buy one, and almost did; it always puts a smile on my face.&lt;p&gt;The model Y is not nearly as maneuverable, but the low center of gravity really helps in turns. It’s better than I expected from a CUV&amp;#x2F;SUV. Not in the same league as the model 3.&lt;p&gt;Tesla is really good about test drives - I’d highly recommend it. Even if you never buy one, it’s a solid experience.</text></comment>
<story><title>Auto industry executives admit electric vehicle plans are in jeopardy</title><url>https://www.businessinsider.com/auto-executives-coming-clean-evs-arent-working-2023-10</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>NikolaNovak</author><text>I would love to own an EV, but even as a well-to-do middle income, they&amp;#x27;re just.so.expensive right now!&lt;p&gt;And they have to be a second car for many north American folks (due to distances and ranges involved),which unfortunately makes it even more of a luxury :-(&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;d be curious to hear more about handling part though. Outside of Tesla (which I&amp;#x27;ve never driven ; it&amp;#x27;s a personal thing but as soon as I see the &amp;quot;controls&amp;quot;, I jump out) , the EVs I&amp;#x27;ve tried (volt,ioniq, leaf) had great acceleration, but not great handling (turning etc). Tires, suspension and in particular extra weight all seemed to work against me in the corner.&lt;p&gt;They were all very &lt;i&gt;comfortable&lt;/i&gt;, and powerful, but I would not have called any of them well &lt;i&gt;handling&lt;/i&gt;.</text></item><item><author>avalys</author><text>I&amp;#x27;m, like, the world&amp;#x27;s biggest car enthusiast and I love EVs. For a daily driver, if you have a garage or a place to plug in daily, EVs are just a better experience than gas cars. They&amp;#x27;re smooth, quiet, and powerful and you never have to worry about stopping at a gas station - the car is ready to go every morning and you don&amp;#x27;t even have to think about it!&lt;p&gt;An electric drivetrain is a way better driving experience than the miserable turbocharged 4-cylinder engines that everyone has been forced to use for fuel economy reasons today, even premium brands like Mercedes and BMW. These are nasty, underpowered, vibrating pieces of shit with no torque and no power unless you run them at thousands of RPM, where they&amp;#x27;re loud and buzzy. Just complete fucking garbage.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s a shame EVs are not catching on, because they&amp;#x27;re really just better cars. I&amp;#x27;d definitely pay a premium for an EV (and I have). I suppose the problem is that, if you&amp;#x27;re not a car enthusiast, a $30k Toyota hybrid is still a better deal, even if it drives like shit.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>UniverseHacker</author><text>IMO the VW eGolf is a great handling and driving car, also with real buttons for controls but didn’t have great range.</text></comment>