<story><title>How to hire engineering talent without the BS</title><url>https://jes.al/2023/03/how-to-hire-engineering-talent-without-the-bs/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>idontwantthis</author><text>Maybe analytical hobbies. Hire anyone into lockpicking, rock climbing, or music theory.</text></item><item><author>swsieber</author><text>&amp;gt; Google is beginning to show its age,...&lt;p&gt;Yup. Goodhart&amp;#x27;s law strikes again. I am curious as to what the next as-of-yet-ungamed effective hiring metric is.</text></item><item><author>mountainriver</author><text>And is Google itself effective? We all copied Google but do we have their problems? Do we need the type of engineers they needed?&lt;p&gt;Google is beginning to show its age, I’ve seen a number of past coworkers get hired there lately that weren’t effective at their job, but I’m sure they crushed some Leetcode.</text></item><item><author>blindriver</author><text>All of these &amp;quot;this is how you hire&amp;quot; posts are utterly worthless without data afterwards to prove that their selection process results in high performance. Does any of these posters actually correlate interview scores with performance reviews? No. It&amp;#x27;s just people very confidently announcing their own biases beliefs without any reason except their overconfidence.&lt;p&gt;At least the reason why we have Leetcode questions is because Google did the research and came to the conclusion that those are were good at algorithms ended up being more successful at Google, and THAT&amp;#x27;S why we are all suffering through LC. But now that LC has been gamed, I would love to see what the results are as to what makes a successful interview.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>neilv</author><text>I think the last couple decades of software suggest that all these indicators, if adopted by companies that significant numbers of people wanted to work for, would quickly become checklists of things to do&amp;#x2F;fake.&lt;p&gt;See also: college admissions.  (No, that kid probably didn&amp;#x27;t do that volunteering activity because they wanted to help people, but because they were told it was a checklist item, as they were coached through college admissions.  And they probably didn&amp;#x27;t learn anything, and they were coached on what to say about that in the essay.  And, normally, actually productive volunteering probably wouldn&amp;#x27;t have looked like each one of those kids starting their own duplicate initiative so each could spin it as demonstrating leadership.  And it&amp;#x27;s more an option for kids from families well-off enough that the kids didn&amp;#x27;t have to work jobs that would contribute better to their household income or college expenses.  And don&amp;#x27;t get me started on how the well-to-do decided that &amp;quot;travel&amp;quot; would be a plus on applications.)</text></comment>
<story><title>How to hire engineering talent without the BS</title><url>https://jes.al/2023/03/how-to-hire-engineering-talent-without-the-bs/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>idontwantthis</author><text>Maybe analytical hobbies. Hire anyone into lockpicking, rock climbing, or music theory.</text></item><item><author>swsieber</author><text>&amp;gt; Google is beginning to show its age,...&lt;p&gt;Yup. Goodhart&amp;#x27;s law strikes again. I am curious as to what the next as-of-yet-ungamed effective hiring metric is.</text></item><item><author>mountainriver</author><text>And is Google itself effective? We all copied Google but do we have their problems? Do we need the type of engineers they needed?&lt;p&gt;Google is beginning to show its age, I’ve seen a number of past coworkers get hired there lately that weren’t effective at their job, but I’m sure they crushed some Leetcode.</text></item><item><author>blindriver</author><text>All of these &amp;quot;this is how you hire&amp;quot; posts are utterly worthless without data afterwards to prove that their selection process results in high performance. Does any of these posters actually correlate interview scores with performance reviews? No. It&amp;#x27;s just people very confidently announcing their own biases beliefs without any reason except their overconfidence.&lt;p&gt;At least the reason why we have Leetcode questions is because Google did the research and came to the conclusion that those are were good at algorithms ended up being more successful at Google, and THAT&amp;#x27;S why we are all suffering through LC. But now that LC has been gamed, I would love to see what the results are as to what makes a successful interview.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>fathyb</author><text>Makes me think, the Real Book might be musical equivalent of Leetcode..</text></comment>