<story><title>&apos;Too many employees, but few work&apos;: Pichai, Zuckerberg sound the alarm</title><url>https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/too-many-employees-but-few-work-pichai-zuckerberg-sound-the-alarm-122080801425_1.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>darth_avocado</author><text>I get back at it by getting paid as much as I can for as little work I can do. Like I said, I’m not doing nothing, but I’ll never sell my soul for marginal increases in wages and that occasional promotion.&lt;p&gt;I get back by having a life after 5 pm, Never going in to work on a weekend, taking time off to spend it with family and never letting stress and bs from corporate world affect my private life.</text></item><item><author>datalopers</author><text>You get back at corporate america by being a mindless corporate drone?</text></item><item><author>darth_avocado</author><text>I am not a dead weight and I’ll never be, but I also do absolutely bare minimum to not get fired. And by bare minimum, I mean, I will always finish my work in the time it is expected to be finished. And if the expectations are higher, I’ll move on to another job.&lt;p&gt;I do this as a way to get back at corporate America. Too many companies get away with sucking out their employees dry and firing them once they can’t meet the unreasonable expectations that are set for them. You could be dying of cancer or have lost a child, and they will get rid of you the moment they can do so without breaking the law, and in some cases even break the law in the hopes that you’d not pursue any legal action. Nah don’t work hard, work smart, for yourself.</text></item><item><author>fefe23</author><text>I have met a few of those people, but every single one of them needed a justification.&lt;p&gt;Some told me they felt wronged by the company somehow. For example they had experienced bullying, or didn&amp;#x27;t get promoted when they felt they should have been, or they had contributed something and then it got cut from the product, something like that in most cases. Now didn&amp;#x27;t feel they owed the company anything. Yet others said the pay is not enough to really get them invested in the work.&lt;p&gt;The fact that they needed these excuses tells me they felt what they did to be morally wrong and didn&amp;#x27;t really want to be dead weight.&lt;p&gt;I personally have done a few projects that turned out to be purely compliance based, and had no merit whatsoever. I remember the feeling of wasting my life to be absolutely soul crushing and I have been avoiding that kind of project as if my life depended on it.&lt;p&gt;Your mileage may vary.</text></item><item><author>codegeek</author><text>&amp;quot;Nobody wants to spend their life being dead weight.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;I disagree. There are plenty of people who would love to be dead weight just to float around in a company. The larger the team&amp;#x2F;company, the more chances of those people being around. They pretend to be always busy and doing something but don&amp;#x27;t actually get anything done. Seen it all for 18+ years.&lt;p&gt;Having said that, there are plenty of people as well who would LOVE to do something meaningful but are stuck with red tape. I was one of those and quit my high paying Investment Bank Tech Job to start my own thing. I was getting paid big as a consultant and once my main project finished, they just wanted me around because traders loved me. I literally had to find things to do every day otherwise it was soooo boring unless something broke.</text></item><item><author>fefe23</author><text>As a consultant, I come around a bit.&lt;p&gt;I have seen many companies with very poor productivity, and in zero of those cases was it laziness of the employees. In fact they usually would have loved to be more productive. Nobody wants to spend their life being dead weight.&lt;p&gt;But as companies grow they install more and more rules and regulations that end up making sure nothing ever gets done. It is not unusual to meet &amp;quot;developers&amp;quot; whose company calendar is 80% filled with meetings. Well no wonder they don&amp;#x27;t get anything done!&lt;p&gt;Also remember that this is only half the problem. The other half is that agile makes you iterate through pseudo productivity before you actually understood the problem, accumulating cruft that you need to maintain and extend as you go on. I wouldn&amp;#x27;t be surprised if of the productivity that is left, more than half gets wasted on crufty software structures and writing code before you understood the problem.&lt;p&gt;And then nobody wants to throw code away that turned out to be not what we need. Wasting yet more productivity on working around bad decisions from before we knew what we are actually building.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>jonas21</author><text>Yeah, that&amp;#x27;s how corporate America works, buddy. You give up on finding fulfillment at work or striking it rich, and just do what they tell you without thinking too much about it. In return, you get to clock out at 5 and take a nice vacation every year.</text></comment>
<story><title>&apos;Too many employees, but few work&apos;: Pichai, Zuckerberg sound the alarm</title><url>https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/too-many-employees-but-few-work-pichai-zuckerberg-sound-the-alarm-122080801425_1.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>darth_avocado</author><text>I get back at it by getting paid as much as I can for as little work I can do. Like I said, I’m not doing nothing, but I’ll never sell my soul for marginal increases in wages and that occasional promotion.&lt;p&gt;I get back by having a life after 5 pm, Never going in to work on a weekend, taking time off to spend it with family and never letting stress and bs from corporate world affect my private life.</text></item><item><author>datalopers</author><text>You get back at corporate america by being a mindless corporate drone?</text></item><item><author>darth_avocado</author><text>I am not a dead weight and I’ll never be, but I also do absolutely bare minimum to not get fired. And by bare minimum, I mean, I will always finish my work in the time it is expected to be finished. And if the expectations are higher, I’ll move on to another job.&lt;p&gt;I do this as a way to get back at corporate America. Too many companies get away with sucking out their employees dry and firing them once they can’t meet the unreasonable expectations that are set for them. You could be dying of cancer or have lost a child, and they will get rid of you the moment they can do so without breaking the law, and in some cases even break the law in the hopes that you’d not pursue any legal action. Nah don’t work hard, work smart, for yourself.</text></item><item><author>fefe23</author><text>I have met a few of those people, but every single one of them needed a justification.&lt;p&gt;Some told me they felt wronged by the company somehow. For example they had experienced bullying, or didn&amp;#x27;t get promoted when they felt they should have been, or they had contributed something and then it got cut from the product, something like that in most cases. Now didn&amp;#x27;t feel they owed the company anything. Yet others said the pay is not enough to really get them invested in the work.&lt;p&gt;The fact that they needed these excuses tells me they felt what they did to be morally wrong and didn&amp;#x27;t really want to be dead weight.&lt;p&gt;I personally have done a few projects that turned out to be purely compliance based, and had no merit whatsoever. I remember the feeling of wasting my life to be absolutely soul crushing and I have been avoiding that kind of project as if my life depended on it.&lt;p&gt;Your mileage may vary.</text></item><item><author>codegeek</author><text>&amp;quot;Nobody wants to spend their life being dead weight.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;I disagree. There are plenty of people who would love to be dead weight just to float around in a company. The larger the team&amp;#x2F;company, the more chances of those people being around. They pretend to be always busy and doing something but don&amp;#x27;t actually get anything done. Seen it all for 18+ years.&lt;p&gt;Having said that, there are plenty of people as well who would LOVE to do something meaningful but are stuck with red tape. I was one of those and quit my high paying Investment Bank Tech Job to start my own thing. I was getting paid big as a consultant and once my main project finished, they just wanted me around because traders loved me. I literally had to find things to do every day otherwise it was soooo boring unless something broke.</text></item><item><author>fefe23</author><text>As a consultant, I come around a bit.&lt;p&gt;I have seen many companies with very poor productivity, and in zero of those cases was it laziness of the employees. In fact they usually would have loved to be more productive. Nobody wants to spend their life being dead weight.&lt;p&gt;But as companies grow they install more and more rules and regulations that end up making sure nothing ever gets done. It is not unusual to meet &amp;quot;developers&amp;quot; whose company calendar is 80% filled with meetings. Well no wonder they don&amp;#x27;t get anything done!&lt;p&gt;Also remember that this is only half the problem. The other half is that agile makes you iterate through pseudo productivity before you actually understood the problem, accumulating cruft that you need to maintain and extend as you go on. I wouldn&amp;#x27;t be surprised if of the productivity that is left, more than half gets wasted on crufty software structures and writing code before you understood the problem.&lt;p&gt;And then nobody wants to throw code away that turned out to be not what we need. Wasting yet more productivity on working around bad decisions from before we knew what we are actually building.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>lethologica</author><text>What you’re doing is called “quiet quitting”&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.theguardian.com&amp;#x2F;money&amp;#x2F;2022&amp;#x2F;aug&amp;#x2F;06&amp;#x2F;quiet-quitting-why-doing-the-bare-minimum-at-work-has-gone-global&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.theguardian.com&amp;#x2F;money&amp;#x2F;2022&amp;#x2F;aug&amp;#x2F;06&amp;#x2F;quiet-quitting...&lt;/a&gt;</text></comment>