<story><title>Federal Judge Upholds Harvard&apos;s Race-Conscious Admissions Process</title><url>https://www.npr.org/2019/10/01/730386096/federal-judge-rules-in-favor-of-harvard-in-admissions-case</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>tomschlick</author><text>&amp;gt;  but the justification is that these classes are&amp;#x2F;have been historically discriminated against and constitutional admissions which take race into consideration are a temporary measure to right these historical wrongs by leveling the playing field.&lt;p&gt;So under that thought process... when does the temporary measure end? Is there a specific goal? Or is it something unachievable like &amp;quot;when income inequality is fixed&amp;quot;.</text></item><item><author>throwaway_law</author><text>&amp;gt; It is very clear that race-conscious admissions are systematically racist and discriminatory.&lt;p&gt;Every time the SCOTUS hears one of these cases they acknowledge that, but the justification is that these classes are&amp;#x2F;have been historically discriminated against and constitutional admissions which take race into consideration are a temporary measure to right these historical wrongs by leveling the playing field.  So the end goal even according to SCOTUS is for these measures to eventually become unconstitutional.</text></item><item><author>throwawaysea</author><text>This ruling is a travesty and I hope the Supreme Court overturns it when this is appealed. It is very clear that race-conscious admissions are systematically racist and discriminatory. Take a look at the distribution of students by race in the University of California system, where they&amp;#x27;re not permitted to discriminate in this manner, thanks to Prop 209 (&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;1996_California_Proposition_209&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;1996_California_Proposition_20...&lt;/a&gt;) - it is very different (more Asians) compared to private schools like Harvard.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>bigendian1234</author><text>FWIW, I&amp;#x27;m a white person who used to think of affirmative action as unfair discrimination. That was true until I spent time volunteering teaching technical skills to kids in poor immigrant neighborhoods. Now that I have had an up close experience with these communities, I&amp;#x27;m here to tell you institutional racism is real and we&amp;#x27;re far from it making sense to end these programs.&lt;p&gt;There simply is not a quick easy solution and those who are not oppressed simply have no real frame of reference to understand the problem. I encourage every person who feels these programs are unfair to spend time volunteering in poor minority communities.</text></comment>
<story><title>Federal Judge Upholds Harvard&apos;s Race-Conscious Admissions Process</title><url>https://www.npr.org/2019/10/01/730386096/federal-judge-rules-in-favor-of-harvard-in-admissions-case</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>tomschlick</author><text>&amp;gt;  but the justification is that these classes are&amp;#x2F;have been historically discriminated against and constitutional admissions which take race into consideration are a temporary measure to right these historical wrongs by leveling the playing field.&lt;p&gt;So under that thought process... when does the temporary measure end? Is there a specific goal? Or is it something unachievable like &amp;quot;when income inequality is fixed&amp;quot;.</text></item><item><author>throwaway_law</author><text>&amp;gt; It is very clear that race-conscious admissions are systematically racist and discriminatory.&lt;p&gt;Every time the SCOTUS hears one of these cases they acknowledge that, but the justification is that these classes are&amp;#x2F;have been historically discriminated against and constitutional admissions which take race into consideration are a temporary measure to right these historical wrongs by leveling the playing field.  So the end goal even according to SCOTUS is for these measures to eventually become unconstitutional.</text></item><item><author>throwawaysea</author><text>This ruling is a travesty and I hope the Supreme Court overturns it when this is appealed. It is very clear that race-conscious admissions are systematically racist and discriminatory. Take a look at the distribution of students by race in the University of California system, where they&amp;#x27;re not permitted to discriminate in this manner, thanks to Prop 209 (&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;1996_California_Proposition_209&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;1996_California_Proposition_20...&lt;/a&gt;) - it is very different (more Asians) compared to private schools like Harvard.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>rtkwe</author><text>For starters I&amp;#x27;d say when the racial wealth gap has closed and when racial outcomes in education even out. So many of the factors that feed back into keeping those gaps alive can be traced directly back to racist policies like red lining that only ended less than a human life time ago.</text></comment>