<story><title>Men Without Work (2016)</title><url>https://time.com/4504004/men-without-work/</url></story><parent_chain></parent_chain><comment><author>lordfrito</author><text>My 2c.&lt;p&gt;Society doesn&amp;#x27;t care about young men. They&amp;#x27;re pretty much left to fend for themselves. Hopefully they have a good family structure, and a few good male friends. Without that they&amp;#x27;re toally adrift.&lt;p&gt;I learned this lesson when I got a flat tire driving across two states when I was 20. No one is willing to help. I guarantee a 20 yo woman would have no problem flagging down help, heck people would stop to help without being asked.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;m 51 now, and I understand why more and more men are checking out. The grind isn&amp;#x27;t worth it. There&amp;#x27;s a reward system in play here, you grind at life and are rewarded. Grind in school and you graduate. Grind more and you get a degree. Grind more and you get a family and career and some big toys.&lt;p&gt;It seems that the amount of grinding men have to do is increasing, and the net rewards society bestows seem to be decreasing. I won&amp;#x27;t get into a shouting match on what the problems men experience are, you can fill in the blanks with your own experiences and biases, but all the men I know seem to agree that there seems to be less of an upside to sacrificing for the greater good than there used to be. As a middle aged man strangers I meet expect the worst from me, why should I try?&lt;p&gt;As an alternative you can spend your hours grinding away at video games and leveling up. And the games are getting better every year.&lt;p&gt;It seems to me that many young men are finding leveling up in games is simply more rewarding than leveling up in real life. I wish it weren&amp;#x27;t so, but here we are.&lt;p&gt;Historically speaking, civilization is built and defended largely on the backs of young men. When they check out, it can&amp;#x27;t be a net good for the trajectory of society.&lt;p&gt;Or maybe this is a win for feminism? Women finally have work equality and so men don&amp;#x27;t have to work as hard anymore.&lt;p&gt;I don&amp;#x27;t have answers. But the trend has been clear for a long while.</text></comment>
<story><title>Men Without Work (2016)</title><url>https://time.com/4504004/men-without-work/</url></story><parent_chain></parent_chain><comment><author>wpietri</author><text>Since the Wikipedia article is so bare, I&amp;#x27;m concerned that this discussion will mainly be a vibes-based shouting match based on the title. In hopes of averting that, some meatier content:&lt;p&gt;A piece from the book&amp;#x27;s author:&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;time.com&amp;#x2F;4504004&amp;#x2F;men-without-work&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;time.com&amp;#x2F;4504004&amp;#x2F;men-without-work&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Some reviews and discussions:&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.nybooks.com&amp;#x2F;online&amp;#x2F;2016&amp;#x2F;09&amp;#x2F;15&amp;#x2F;americas-lost-workers-eberstadt-men-without-work&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.nybooks.com&amp;#x2F;online&amp;#x2F;2016&amp;#x2F;09&amp;#x2F;15&amp;#x2F;americas-lost-work...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.vox.com&amp;#x2F;new-money&amp;#x2F;2016&amp;#x2F;10&amp;#x2F;11&amp;#x2F;13176948&amp;#x2F;labor-force-participation&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.vox.com&amp;#x2F;new-money&amp;#x2F;2016&amp;#x2F;10&amp;#x2F;11&amp;#x2F;13176948&amp;#x2F;labor-forc...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;archive.ph&amp;#x2F;20170311160320&amp;#x2F;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.ft.com&amp;#x2F;content&amp;#x2F;eb0c4aa4-80b5-11e6-8e50-8ec15fb462f4&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;archive.ph&amp;#x2F;20170311160320&amp;#x2F;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.ft.com&amp;#x2F;content...&lt;/a&gt;</text></comment>