<story><title>Ask HN: Companies hiring for a 4-day workweek?</title><text>I&amp;#x27;m pretty interested in finding a fully remote company, that hires for a 4-day workweek (as opposed to 5).&lt;p&gt;How can someone (in Europe) find such employers?</text></story><parent_chain><item><author>vinay_ys</author><text>In most tech companies you can negotiate a lower number of days per week for lesser pay. In the last two decades I&amp;#x27;ve been in the industry, I knew very junior people (early in their career) and very senior people doing 3-4 day workweek due to personal reasons in pretty much every company I worked in. It wasn&amp;#x27;t a big deal. Ability to take 3-6 month long unpaid breaks (sabbaticals), 4 weeks of PTOs, plus sick&amp;#x2F;carer leaves are quite standard in most good tech companies.&lt;p&gt;During Covid, many companies started doing rest&amp;#x2F;reset days every quarter that is basically a forced holiday for everyone together (no FOMO, no pressure to check emails, attend calls etc). Some companies have started to do rest&amp;#x2F;reset week every quarter! (because they think its necessary given their higher stress level work).&lt;p&gt;Getting time off isn&amp;#x27;t that hard. What is actually hard is getting high-quality work (where you get back as much as you give), satisfying work  and a great team to do it with. Without great work and team, but have lot of PTO&amp;#x2F;perks etc it becomes very unsatisfying and not able to sustain interest.&lt;p&gt;I also see many companies screwing up by not investing in talent&amp;#x2F;skill development activities (not the typical corp L&amp;amp;D where they organise a workshop with some random person who seems very preachy and doesn&amp;#x27;t really practice). I wish they did this better and enabled people to manage their personal time better on their own.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>Taylor_OD</author><text>&amp;gt; In most tech companies you can negotiate a lower number of days per week for lesser pay&lt;p&gt;I don&amp;#x27;t think most companies will let you. I tried to negotiate this many times in the past for engineers and it was never successful. Even for companies that otherwise were very flexible or knew that a 4 day work week was the only way to afford someone they wanted to hire.&lt;p&gt;Many tech companies will do this and its worth asking. But most is not really accurate.</text></comment>
<story><title>Ask HN: Companies hiring for a 4-day workweek?</title><text>I&amp;#x27;m pretty interested in finding a fully remote company, that hires for a 4-day workweek (as opposed to 5).&lt;p&gt;How can someone (in Europe) find such employers?</text></story><parent_chain><item><author>vinay_ys</author><text>In most tech companies you can negotiate a lower number of days per week for lesser pay. In the last two decades I&amp;#x27;ve been in the industry, I knew very junior people (early in their career) and very senior people doing 3-4 day workweek due to personal reasons in pretty much every company I worked in. It wasn&amp;#x27;t a big deal. Ability to take 3-6 month long unpaid breaks (sabbaticals), 4 weeks of PTOs, plus sick&amp;#x2F;carer leaves are quite standard in most good tech companies.&lt;p&gt;During Covid, many companies started doing rest&amp;#x2F;reset days every quarter that is basically a forced holiday for everyone together (no FOMO, no pressure to check emails, attend calls etc). Some companies have started to do rest&amp;#x2F;reset week every quarter! (because they think its necessary given their higher stress level work).&lt;p&gt;Getting time off isn&amp;#x27;t that hard. What is actually hard is getting high-quality work (where you get back as much as you give), satisfying work  and a great team to do it with. Without great work and team, but have lot of PTO&amp;#x2F;perks etc it becomes very unsatisfying and not able to sustain interest.&lt;p&gt;I also see many companies screwing up by not investing in talent&amp;#x2F;skill development activities (not the typical corp L&amp;amp;D where they organise a workshop with some random person who seems very preachy and doesn&amp;#x27;t really practice). I wish they did this better and enabled people to manage their personal time better on their own.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>pm215</author><text>My experience is limited (couple of UK companies), but I&amp;#x27;ve twice been able to negotiate down to 4 days as an existing employee without much difficulty, but found it much harder (failed) to negotiate starting at 4 days with a new employer.</text></comment>