<story><title>Obama Admin Pursuing Executive Order to Enact CISPA-Like Cybersecurity Language </title><url>http://www.opencongress.org/articles/view/2511-Obama-Admin-Pursuing-Executive-Order-to-Enact-CISPA-Like-Cybersecurity-Language</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>mtgx</author><text>The Democratic Party has completely removed civil liberties policies from their platform for 2012, even though it was one of the main things they ran on in 2008.&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/09/democrats-retreat-civil-liberties-2012-platform&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/09/democrats-retreat-ci...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Romney would obviously be even worse for this, but yeah - this is what you get with a 2 party system. It just gets worse and worse. My only hope is that once Republicans lose this one, then by 2014 or even 2016 they reform the party, and the libertarians inside the party get to heavily influence the platform towards more civil liberties, and attack the Democrat Party on it at the next elections, so they can win on it. Other than that, I&apos;m not sure how you&apos;ll get either the Democratic Party or the Republican one to start caring about this again.</text></item><item><author>guelo</author><text>Obama has been shameful on civil liberties. The sad thing is that it has traditionally been the Republicans who push against the limits of civil liberties and the Dems who at least pretend to care. Thanks to Obama, the Dems have flipped over so completely against civil liberties that there really is no remaining government interest protecting us. It&apos;s a Nixon goes to China moment, Obama has done more to destroy civil liberties than any Republican ever could have dreamed.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>tptacek</author><text>Civil liberties &lt;i&gt;weren&apos;t&lt;/i&gt; one of the main things Obama ran on in 2008. Obama ran on the economy and on a fixed timetable for ending the Iraq war.&lt;p&gt;To make the argument that civil liberties were a key focus of the Obama 2008 campaign, you should be able to provide a Google News search query from (say) July-October &apos;08 that demonstrates that fact. I just tried to find one and couldn&apos;t.&lt;p&gt;We are (mostly, and myself included) social liberals on HN, and Obama was the liberal mainstream candidate in 2008, so I think we tend to project things onto him that aren&apos;t really there. Obama is first and foremost a pragmatist. Closing Gitmo was worth less to Obama than getting health care passed.</text></comment>
<story><title>Obama Admin Pursuing Executive Order to Enact CISPA-Like Cybersecurity Language </title><url>http://www.opencongress.org/articles/view/2511-Obama-Admin-Pursuing-Executive-Order-to-Enact-CISPA-Like-Cybersecurity-Language</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>mtgx</author><text>The Democratic Party has completely removed civil liberties policies from their platform for 2012, even though it was one of the main things they ran on in 2008.&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/09/democrats-retreat-civil-liberties-2012-platform&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/09/democrats-retreat-ci...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Romney would obviously be even worse for this, but yeah - this is what you get with a 2 party system. It just gets worse and worse. My only hope is that once Republicans lose this one, then by 2014 or even 2016 they reform the party, and the libertarians inside the party get to heavily influence the platform towards more civil liberties, and attack the Democrat Party on it at the next elections, so they can win on it. Other than that, I&apos;m not sure how you&apos;ll get either the Democratic Party or the Republican one to start caring about this again.</text></item><item><author>guelo</author><text>Obama has been shameful on civil liberties. The sad thing is that it has traditionally been the Republicans who push against the limits of civil liberties and the Dems who at least pretend to care. Thanks to Obama, the Dems have flipped over so completely against civil liberties that there really is no remaining government interest protecting us. It&apos;s a Nixon goes to China moment, Obama has done more to destroy civil liberties than any Republican ever could have dreamed.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>Shivetya</author><text>Romney would be better and I give only one reason.&lt;p&gt;If we start making these guys all one term Presidents maybe, just maybe, they might know who they are beholden too.&lt;p&gt;So anyone is better than the current guy and so and so on.&lt;p&gt;So I am quite willing to put up with four years of Romney if it means a message is being delivered. I am quite willing to get him out as fast too.</text></comment>