<story><title>Tesla issues strongest statement yet blaming driver for deadly crash</title><url>http://abc7news.com/automotive/exclusive-tesla-issues-strongest-statement-yet-blaming-driver-for-deadly-crash/3325908/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>maxxxxx</author><text>&amp;quot; Tesla&amp;#x27;s system demands more from drivers than manual driving. The driver has to detect automation failures after they occur, but before a crash. This requires faster reaction time than merely avoiding obstacles.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;I have been thinking that too. At what point do you decide that the autopilot is making a mistake and take over? That&amp;#x27;s an almost impossible task to perform within the available time.</text></item><item><author>Animats</author><text>Tesla&amp;#x27;s system demands &lt;i&gt;more&lt;/i&gt; from drivers than manual driving.  The driver has to detect automation failures after they occur, but before a crash.  This requires faster reaction time than merely avoiding obstacles.&lt;p&gt;Here&amp;#x27;s a good example - a Tesla on autopilot crashing into a temporary road barrier which required a lane change.[1] This is a view from the dashcam of the vehicle behind the Tesla. At 00:21, things look normal. At 00:22, the Tesla should just be starting to turn to follow the lane and avoid the barrier, but it isn&amp;#x27;t. By 00:23, it&amp;#x27;s hit the wall. By the time the driver could have detected that failure, it was too late.&lt;p&gt;Big, solid, obvious orange obstacle. Freeway on a clear day. Tesla&amp;#x27;s system didn&amp;#x27;t detect it. By the time it was clear that the driver needed to take over, it was too late.  This is why, as the head of Google&amp;#x27;s self driving effort once said, partial self driving &amp;quot;assistance&amp;quot; is inherently unsafe.  Lane following assistance without good automatic braking kills.&lt;p&gt;This is the Tesla self-crashing car in action. Tesla fails at the basic task of self-driving - not hitting obstacles.  If it doesn&amp;#x27;t look like the rear end of a car or truck, it gets hit. So far, one street sweeper, one fire truck, one disabled car, one crossing tractor trailer, and two freeway barriers have been hit.  Those are the ones that got press attention. There are probably more incidents.&lt;p&gt;Automatic driving the Waymo way seems to be working. Automatic driving the Tesla way leaves a trail of blood and death. That is not an accident. It follows directly from Musk&amp;#x27;s decision to cut costs by trying to do the job with inadequate sensors and processing.&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.youtube.com&amp;#x2F;watch?v=-2ml6sjk_8c&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.youtube.com&amp;#x2F;watch?v=-2ml6sjk_8c&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>corney91</author><text>If I was driving a car like that I think I&amp;#x27;d feel safer if there was a &amp;quot;confidence meter&amp;quot; available, I have no idea about how these auto-drive systems work but I&amp;#x27;m guessing there&amp;#x27;s some metric for how confident the car is that it&amp;#x27;s going in the correct direction. Exposing that information as a basic percentage meter on the dash somewhere would make me feel more confident about using the auto-drive.&lt;p&gt;I can understand why this wouldn&amp;#x27;t happen from a business perspective, and it&amp;#x27;s also presumably not as simple to implement as I&amp;#x27;m implying, but I can&amp;#x27;t think of a better way to get around the uncertainty of whether the car&amp;#x27;s operating in an expected way or not.</text></comment>
<story><title>Tesla issues strongest statement yet blaming driver for deadly crash</title><url>http://abc7news.com/automotive/exclusive-tesla-issues-strongest-statement-yet-blaming-driver-for-deadly-crash/3325908/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>maxxxxx</author><text>&amp;quot; Tesla&amp;#x27;s system demands more from drivers than manual driving. The driver has to detect automation failures after they occur, but before a crash. This requires faster reaction time than merely avoiding obstacles.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;I have been thinking that too. At what point do you decide that the autopilot is making a mistake and take over? That&amp;#x27;s an almost impossible task to perform within the available time.</text></item><item><author>Animats</author><text>Tesla&amp;#x27;s system demands &lt;i&gt;more&lt;/i&gt; from drivers than manual driving.  The driver has to detect automation failures after they occur, but before a crash.  This requires faster reaction time than merely avoiding obstacles.&lt;p&gt;Here&amp;#x27;s a good example - a Tesla on autopilot crashing into a temporary road barrier which required a lane change.[1] This is a view from the dashcam of the vehicle behind the Tesla. At 00:21, things look normal. At 00:22, the Tesla should just be starting to turn to follow the lane and avoid the barrier, but it isn&amp;#x27;t. By 00:23, it&amp;#x27;s hit the wall. By the time the driver could have detected that failure, it was too late.&lt;p&gt;Big, solid, obvious orange obstacle. Freeway on a clear day. Tesla&amp;#x27;s system didn&amp;#x27;t detect it. By the time it was clear that the driver needed to take over, it was too late.  This is why, as the head of Google&amp;#x27;s self driving effort once said, partial self driving &amp;quot;assistance&amp;quot; is inherently unsafe.  Lane following assistance without good automatic braking kills.&lt;p&gt;This is the Tesla self-crashing car in action. Tesla fails at the basic task of self-driving - not hitting obstacles.  If it doesn&amp;#x27;t look like the rear end of a car or truck, it gets hit. So far, one street sweeper, one fire truck, one disabled car, one crossing tractor trailer, and two freeway barriers have been hit.  Those are the ones that got press attention. There are probably more incidents.&lt;p&gt;Automatic driving the Waymo way seems to be working. Automatic driving the Tesla way leaves a trail of blood and death. That is not an accident. It follows directly from Musk&amp;#x27;s decision to cut costs by trying to do the job with inadequate sensors and processing.&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.youtube.com&amp;#x2F;watch?v=-2ml6sjk_8c&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.youtube.com&amp;#x2F;watch?v=-2ml6sjk_8c&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>linkmotif</author><text>Also what is the point of such an auto pilot? Seems really dangerous. Telling people you don’t have to drive but you have to pay attention ignores fundamental psychology.</text></comment>