<story><title>Stockholm to ban petrol and diesel cars from centre from 2025</title><url>https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/11/stockholm-ban-petrol-and-diesel-cars-city-centre-2025-swedish-capital-pollution</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>paganel</author><text>I see they went with the &amp;quot;think of the children&amp;quot;:&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; The study found that children who grow up on roads in the capital with particularly high emissions have worse-than-average lung capacity when compared to other children, from as early as six months old.&lt;p&gt;This will only accelerate the move to the suburbs of the families having children themselves and who can&amp;#x27;t yet afford an EV, leaving the cities themselves (as I suspect similar moves will be applied elsewhere here in Europe) to young people without kids, to immigrant people with kids but not-interested in having a full Western-life experience (which necessitates having a car) and to the &amp;quot;pied-a-terres&amp;quot; of the few upper-middle class people who will afford to have EVs (who will also own property in the suburbs, for that matter).</text></item><item><author>teddyh</author><text>Another article in English: &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.thelocal.se&amp;#x2F;20231010&amp;#x2F;stockholm-to-ban-petrol-and-diesel-cars-in-city-centre&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.thelocal.se&amp;#x2F;20231010&amp;#x2F;stockholm-to-ban-petrol-and...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;p&gt;Maps here: &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.svt.se&amp;#x2F;nyheter&amp;#x2F;lokalt&amp;#x2F;stockholm&amp;#x2F;bensin-och-dieseldrivna-bilar-forbjuds-i-centrala-stockholm--an4nkd&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.svt.se&amp;#x2F;nyheter&amp;#x2F;lokalt&amp;#x2F;stockholm&amp;#x2F;bensin-och-diese...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; and here: &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.dn.se&amp;#x2F;sverige&amp;#x2F;bensin-och-dieselbilar-forbjuds-i-stockholms-innerstad&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.dn.se&amp;#x2F;sverige&amp;#x2F;bensin-och-dieselbilar-forbjuds-i-...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;.  Note that the area is comparatively &lt;i&gt;tiny&lt;/i&gt;; 180 000m² according to some articles, closer to 200 000m² according to my measurements – but in any case smaller than 50 acres.&lt;p&gt;OpenStreetMap link to the same area as the map, so you can zoom out and see the scales involved: &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.openstreetmap.org&amp;#x2F;#map=16&amp;#x2F;59.33461&amp;#x2F;18.06944&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.openstreetmap.org&amp;#x2F;#map=16&amp;#x2F;59.33461&amp;#x2F;18.06944&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>reisse</author><text>&amp;gt; not-interested in having a full Western-life experience (which necessitates having a car)&lt;p&gt;American life experience, you mean? It&amp;#x27;s totally OK to live in Stockholm, as well as in many other cities in Europe, without a car. Besides, you make it sound like EVs are more expensive than ICE cars. They surely are, but the difference is not that much and subsidies cover a part of it.</text></comment>
<story><title>Stockholm to ban petrol and diesel cars from centre from 2025</title><url>https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/11/stockholm-ban-petrol-and-diesel-cars-city-centre-2025-swedish-capital-pollution</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>paganel</author><text>I see they went with the &amp;quot;think of the children&amp;quot;:&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; The study found that children who grow up on roads in the capital with particularly high emissions have worse-than-average lung capacity when compared to other children, from as early as six months old.&lt;p&gt;This will only accelerate the move to the suburbs of the families having children themselves and who can&amp;#x27;t yet afford an EV, leaving the cities themselves (as I suspect similar moves will be applied elsewhere here in Europe) to young people without kids, to immigrant people with kids but not-interested in having a full Western-life experience (which necessitates having a car) and to the &amp;quot;pied-a-terres&amp;quot; of the few upper-middle class people who will afford to have EVs (who will also own property in the suburbs, for that matter).</text></item><item><author>teddyh</author><text>Another article in English: &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.thelocal.se&amp;#x2F;20231010&amp;#x2F;stockholm-to-ban-petrol-and-diesel-cars-in-city-centre&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.thelocal.se&amp;#x2F;20231010&amp;#x2F;stockholm-to-ban-petrol-and...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;p&gt;Maps here: &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.svt.se&amp;#x2F;nyheter&amp;#x2F;lokalt&amp;#x2F;stockholm&amp;#x2F;bensin-och-dieseldrivna-bilar-forbjuds-i-centrala-stockholm--an4nkd&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.svt.se&amp;#x2F;nyheter&amp;#x2F;lokalt&amp;#x2F;stockholm&amp;#x2F;bensin-och-diese...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; and here: &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.dn.se&amp;#x2F;sverige&amp;#x2F;bensin-och-dieselbilar-forbjuds-i-stockholms-innerstad&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.dn.se&amp;#x2F;sverige&amp;#x2F;bensin-och-dieselbilar-forbjuds-i-...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;.  Note that the area is comparatively &lt;i&gt;tiny&lt;/i&gt;; 180 000m² according to some articles, closer to 200 000m² according to my measurements – but in any case smaller than 50 acres.&lt;p&gt;OpenStreetMap link to the same area as the map, so you can zoom out and see the scales involved: &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.openstreetmap.org&amp;#x2F;#map=16&amp;#x2F;59.33461&amp;#x2F;18.06944&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.openstreetmap.org&amp;#x2F;#map=16&amp;#x2F;59.33461&amp;#x2F;18.06944&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>f6v</author><text>How does Western life experience necessitate a car? Big cities don’t require a car at all.</text></comment>