<story><title>Apocalyptic Claims About Climate Change Are Wrong</title><url>https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2019/11/25/why-everything-they-say-about-climate-change-is-wrong/#4dd5de4912d6</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>tyre</author><text>The threats of climate change are not that some biblical flood rises up to swallow humanity.&lt;p&gt;The danger of climate change is that incremental sea level rise would put tens of millions of people underwater.&lt;p&gt;Could they move? Absolutely. And we clearly have enough land to move people around, both globally and in many countries.&lt;p&gt;The danger is whether we can make those migrations without civil unrest. What land is taken for them to move to? What about Vietnam, where most of the country is projected to be underwater by 2050? We’re going to just move millions of Vietnamese and no one is going to be upset?&lt;p&gt;If we look today at the relatively tiny migration of people into the United States and Europe, we can see how quickly voters swing far right as The Other settles in.&lt;p&gt;The trickle down of these effects is tremendous.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>Cthulhu_</author><text>Not to mention famine; it&amp;#x27;s not so much natural disasters that&amp;#x27;ll kill a lot of people (after all, we&amp;#x27;re pretty good at moving out of the way, building shelters &amp;#x2F; dikes, etc), but it&amp;#x27;s going to be failed crops. This is already happening, and has happend in the past - all it takes is one hot &amp;#x2F; dry summer for a country and millions of people to be at risk.&lt;p&gt;Climate change means the chance of a hot &amp;#x2F; dry summer (or long &amp;#x2F; cold winter) will increase. Sure, at the time it seems like a fluke, and sure especially the more wealthy countries will be able to survive well enough, but at the same time it will cost lives. The poorest and disadvantaged will likely be the first to go, those that can&amp;#x27;t afford the gradually increasing prices of food.&lt;p&gt;And the problem will become bigger as the climate change becomes more widespread. We can (as a collective) survive a year of famine well enough, but what if crops fail two or three years in a row?</text></comment>
<story><title>Apocalyptic Claims About Climate Change Are Wrong</title><url>https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2019/11/25/why-everything-they-say-about-climate-change-is-wrong/#4dd5de4912d6</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>tyre</author><text>The threats of climate change are not that some biblical flood rises up to swallow humanity.&lt;p&gt;The danger of climate change is that incremental sea level rise would put tens of millions of people underwater.&lt;p&gt;Could they move? Absolutely. And we clearly have enough land to move people around, both globally and in many countries.&lt;p&gt;The danger is whether we can make those migrations without civil unrest. What land is taken for them to move to? What about Vietnam, where most of the country is projected to be underwater by 2050? We’re going to just move millions of Vietnamese and no one is going to be upset?&lt;p&gt;If we look today at the relatively tiny migration of people into the United States and Europe, we can see how quickly voters swing far right as The Other settles in.&lt;p&gt;The trickle down of these effects is tremendous.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>thefreeman</author><text>Right?? I thought the author was making somewhat reasonable points until they just shrugged off a prediction that sea level will rise 2 feet in the next 80 years or so with &amp;quot;Well 1&amp;#x2F;3 of the Netherlands is below sea level and they are ok soo......&amp;quot;. Like that is even remotely equivalent to the sea level of entire planet rising by 2 feet.</text></comment>