<story><title>Patreon Bars Anti-Feminist for Racist Speech, Inciting Revolt</title><url>https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/24/technology/patreon-hate-speech-bans.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>nkurz</author><text>The article avoids the specifics of what Benjamin said, which makes it hard to judge whether Patreon is acting reasonably. The interview in question is here: 
&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.youtube.com&amp;#x2F;watch?v=XQ87Wf-0rZg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.youtube.com&amp;#x2F;watch?v=XQ87Wf-0rZg&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;p&gt;Here are some excerpts from the automatically generated transcript (click the 3 dots, then &amp;quot;Open transcript&amp;quot;):&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;I just can&amp;#x27;t be bothered to deal
with people who treat me like this it&amp;#x27;s
really annoying like I you are acting
like a bunch of niggers just so you know
you you act like white niggers exactly
how you describe black people acting is
the impression I get dealing with y&amp;#x27;all&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;don&amp;#x27;t expect me to them have a debate
with one of your faggots then why would
I bother bother you read like enough
class I don&amp;#x27;t know maybe you&amp;#x27;re just
acting like a nigga me have you
considered that do you think white
people act like this white people are
meant to be polite and respectful to one
another and you guys can&amp;#x27;t even act like
white people&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;it&amp;#x27;s about gaining attention and seems
like kikes are ruining everything&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;While one can reasonably to debate the whether Patreon should ban people based on ideology and off-site behavior, his comments do seem undeniably racist, anti-Semitic, and anti-homosexual.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>manfredo</author><text>He used slurs, that&amp;#x27;s for certain. But it&amp;#x27;s critical to point out that the context in which they were used was to tell the Alt Right that they&amp;#x27;re behaving exactly like they see the groups they despise (blacks, Jewish people, gays etc.) through their bigoted worldview. Not to mention, your excerpt cuts off a crucial part of what he said. As other commenters pointed out, the whole part of this was:&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; It&amp;#x27;s not about, like, actually doing any good, it&amp;#x27;s about getting attention. And I see, like, &amp;#x27;kikes are ruining everything&amp;#x27;. [laughs] Good—good—good job. Should tackle field [I can&amp;#x27;t understand this sentence]. You&amp;#x27;re making your movement look like you&amp;#x27;re not full of Nazis! Great! Bravo!&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;In case the context isn&amp;#x27;t clear, saying that they &amp;quot;look like you&amp;#x27;re not full of Nazi&amp;quot; is sarcasm. Of course subscription to belief in a global Jewish conspiracy makes a group look like they&amp;#x27;re full of Nazis.&lt;p&gt;It is difficult to claim that these statements were meant as an attack on blacks and Jewish people themselves. It&amp;#x27;s pretty obvious that this banning was carried out for ideological reasons. In the past, Jack Conte stated that Patreon would only ban people for speech that was spread on their platform.[1] This was flat out ignored. It looks like much of their userbase is calling them out on the questionable justifications for the banning, too.[2]&lt;p&gt;1. &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.youtube.com&amp;#x2F;watch?v=ofpbDgCj9rw&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.youtube.com&amp;#x2F;watch?v=ofpbDgCj9rw&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;2. See comments on &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;patreonhq.com&amp;#x2F;hate-speech-on-patreon-a9026e52c2cf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;patreonhq.com&amp;#x2F;hate-speech-on-patreon-a9026e52c2cf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Edit: changed &amp;quot;they&amp;#x27;re behaving exactly like the groups they despise&amp;quot; to &amp;quot;they&amp;#x27;re behaving exactly like they see the groups they despise through their bigoted worldview&amp;quot;. Crucial mis-wording on my part, as the original version made it look I was saying said groups really do behave like how the alt-right claims.</text></comment>
<story><title>Patreon Bars Anti-Feminist for Racist Speech, Inciting Revolt</title><url>https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/24/technology/patreon-hate-speech-bans.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>nkurz</author><text>The article avoids the specifics of what Benjamin said, which makes it hard to judge whether Patreon is acting reasonably. The interview in question is here: 
&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.youtube.com&amp;#x2F;watch?v=XQ87Wf-0rZg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.youtube.com&amp;#x2F;watch?v=XQ87Wf-0rZg&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;p&gt;Here are some excerpts from the automatically generated transcript (click the 3 dots, then &amp;quot;Open transcript&amp;quot;):&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;I just can&amp;#x27;t be bothered to deal
with people who treat me like this it&amp;#x27;s
really annoying like I you are acting
like a bunch of niggers just so you know
you you act like white niggers exactly
how you describe black people acting is
the impression I get dealing with y&amp;#x27;all&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;don&amp;#x27;t expect me to them have a debate
with one of your faggots then why would
I bother bother you read like enough
class I don&amp;#x27;t know maybe you&amp;#x27;re just
acting like a nigga me have you
considered that do you think white
people act like this white people are
meant to be polite and respectful to one
another and you guys can&amp;#x27;t even act like
white people&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;it&amp;#x27;s about gaining attention and seems
like kikes are ruining everything&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;While one can reasonably to debate the whether Patreon should ban people based on ideology and off-site behavior, his comments do seem undeniably racist, anti-Semitic, and anti-homosexual.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>augustl</author><text>According to Carl Benjamin himself, the comments were meant ironically. He was reacting to a chat stream, which is missing context in that video, and the chat used slurs like this. So Benjamin used the slurs back at them.&lt;p&gt;Having said that, we have to assume Benjamin’s inner thoughts to know what he really meant, so I’m not arguing we should disregard it completely because of his alledged good intentions.</text></comment>