<story><title>Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM</title><url>https://hansdegoede.livejournal.com/22338.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>matheusmoreira</author><text>&amp;gt; Piracy can&amp;#x27;t be stopped but thats not what they want to hear.&lt;p&gt;It can be stopped. All they have to do is destroy the computing and internet freedom we all enjoy today. Can&amp;#x27;t do subversive things like copy a file if they don&amp;#x27;t let us run our software. Governments around the world are also trying to erode these same freedoms by pushing encryption regulation.</text></item><item><author>jaimex2</author><text>It&amp;#x27;s pretty simple: They pay a hot shot company to try and stop piracy and thats the best they can come up with.&lt;p&gt;Piracy can&amp;#x27;t be stopped but thats not what they want to hear.&lt;p&gt;Piracy can be greatly reduced by distributing the content via Netflix but thats not what they want to hear.</text></item><item><author>geofft</author><text>Sure, but why? Do the rightsholders believe that these mechanisms are effective at making them money somehow? How correct are they - are these mechanisms effective at stopping &lt;i&gt;some&lt;/i&gt; amount of casual piracy and converting that into purchases?</text></item><item><author>turblety</author><text>DRM punishes paying customers and does nothing to stop piracy. It reminds me of those &amp;quot;you wouldn&amp;#x27;t kill&amp;quot; segments at the start of DVD&amp;#x27;s that you couldn&amp;#x27;t skip, but just moaned at you to not pirate the DVD. But the only people they were telling this to was paying customers who bought the DVD. People who pirated the DVD, just plugged it into their computer, ripped out the content then published.</text></item><item><author>profmonocle</author><text>&amp;gt; desktop Linux and many Android devices only support level 1. In this case e.g. Netflix will not offer full HD or 4k resolutions&lt;p&gt;And yet 4K webrips of recent Netflix shows are readily available on torrent sites.&lt;p&gt;I don&amp;#x27;t understand who these higher levels of DRM are trying to target. They obviously don&amp;#x27;t stop the serious pirates from ripping and sharing the content with everyone. Yet the lower levels are &amp;quot;good enough&amp;quot; to stop average users from trivially downloading and keeping the file, like you might do with an plain, embedded MP4 file.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>Freak_NL</author><text>It seems to me that the approach Netflix and Disney et al are taking is accomplishing just that.&lt;p&gt;DRM in the browser was step one. No Widevine, or whatever crapware is needed, no Netflix. Next came the limit on higher resolutions. You want Full HD? Stop using a free operating system. You want 4k? Get Internet Explorer, or better yet, get our app on one of the approved operating systems.&lt;p&gt;The next step is probably to diminish the browser experience even further until enough users have switched to the &amp;#x27;app&amp;#x27;. The only reason is control.&lt;p&gt;It won&amp;#x27;t drive us away from a personal computer running whatever modern OS we want, but it is slowly creating a majority of people for whom computing exclusively means a managed device with a pre-approved operating system running vetted proprietary applications.</text></comment>
<story><title>Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM</title><url>https://hansdegoede.livejournal.com/22338.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>matheusmoreira</author><text>&amp;gt; Piracy can&amp;#x27;t be stopped but thats not what they want to hear.&lt;p&gt;It can be stopped. All they have to do is destroy the computing and internet freedom we all enjoy today. Can&amp;#x27;t do subversive things like copy a file if they don&amp;#x27;t let us run our software. Governments around the world are also trying to erode these same freedoms by pushing encryption regulation.</text></item><item><author>jaimex2</author><text>It&amp;#x27;s pretty simple: They pay a hot shot company to try and stop piracy and thats the best they can come up with.&lt;p&gt;Piracy can&amp;#x27;t be stopped but thats not what they want to hear.&lt;p&gt;Piracy can be greatly reduced by distributing the content via Netflix but thats not what they want to hear.</text></item><item><author>geofft</author><text>Sure, but why? Do the rightsholders believe that these mechanisms are effective at making them money somehow? How correct are they - are these mechanisms effective at stopping &lt;i&gt;some&lt;/i&gt; amount of casual piracy and converting that into purchases?</text></item><item><author>turblety</author><text>DRM punishes paying customers and does nothing to stop piracy. It reminds me of those &amp;quot;you wouldn&amp;#x27;t kill&amp;quot; segments at the start of DVD&amp;#x27;s that you couldn&amp;#x27;t skip, but just moaned at you to not pirate the DVD. But the only people they were telling this to was paying customers who bought the DVD. People who pirated the DVD, just plugged it into their computer, ripped out the content then published.</text></item><item><author>profmonocle</author><text>&amp;gt; desktop Linux and many Android devices only support level 1. In this case e.g. Netflix will not offer full HD or 4k resolutions&lt;p&gt;And yet 4K webrips of recent Netflix shows are readily available on torrent sites.&lt;p&gt;I don&amp;#x27;t understand who these higher levels of DRM are trying to target. They obviously don&amp;#x27;t stop the serious pirates from ripping and sharing the content with everyone. Yet the lower levels are &amp;quot;good enough&amp;quot; to stop average users from trivially downloading and keeping the file, like you might do with an plain, embedded MP4 file.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>shakna</author><text>&amp;gt; All they have to do is destroy the computing and internet freedom we all enjoy today.&lt;p&gt;That&amp;#x27;s one of those &amp;quot;good luck&amp;quot; scenarios. Building your own homebrew computer, or your own OS is a hobby for many. If you push the people behind them, and make a market for them, you&amp;#x27;ll make them popular.&lt;p&gt;The internet itself is complex, but not so complex that determined actors cannot build their own mesh networks.&lt;p&gt;And whilst governments are trying to erode encryption everywhere, it won&amp;#x27;t work in the end. They may be able to take secure encryption out of the hands of civilians, maybe. But they can&amp;#x27;t take it from the pirates.&lt;p&gt;And as for the incoming &amp;quot;no one would be that determined&amp;quot; argument, cracking chips to let consoles play pirated games have existed for a long time, and the average person did actually seek them out... And found them everywhere. If you make people build the infrastructure... They will.</text></comment>