<story><title>Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer without larger batteries</title><url>https://www.tesla.com/blog/longest-range-electric-vehicle-now-goes-even-farther</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>asmosoinio</author><text>I just read up on 3&amp;#x27;000 to 5&amp;#x27;00 mile intervals that might be prevalent in the US?&lt;p&gt;To me that sounds crazy. Many synthetic oils are officially approved to 15&amp;#x27;000 miles.</text></item><item><author>asmosoinio</author><text>That&amp;#x27;s not super different from long lasting oil? Some Petrol cars do 30&amp;#x27;000km without and service?</text></item><item><author>Shivetya</author><text>Service intervals are very limited. Let me use my Model 3 as an example, I only need tire rotations until 25,000 miles. At that point I need the cabin and HVAC air filters replaced, then 25k later I do it again.&lt;p&gt;Not only will dealership service centers be impacted, oil change shops will have little work if any as the number of petrol cars wind down, general service shops face the same issue as the numbers decline.&lt;p&gt;Now there are jobs that will become important similar to how renewable energy solutions ended some jobs and made new. Electricians for business and home needs will increase because of both industries.</text></item><item><author>ajuc</author><text>&amp;gt; EVs don&amp;#x27;t need the large established dealership base and their included maintenance facilities&lt;p&gt;I never understood that. Why does power source matter in the context of dealership base and maintenance? EVs still break.</text></item><item><author>Shivetya</author><text>A few observations, before I derail&lt;p&gt;I do not want to dismiss the efforts of Audi or Jaguar but I think their initial focus was being good examples for their respective brands with regards to their packaging. Their interior quality of a different generation and caliber than Tesla. The EV part was an important concern but secondary. They can still rack up significant ZEV credits in California letting them off the hook of buying them from others.&lt;p&gt;Tesla needs to refresh the S and X to improve interior fit and finish but also concentrate on making them quieter, an issue I have with my 3. without the drone of a motor every sound stands out and EVs tend to ride on stiffer, noisier, tires.&lt;p&gt;As for difficulty, other than i3 and Tesla cars I do not believe any other EV was a clean sheet design. Even the Leaf appears based on traditional cars. the Bolt is simply a spark when a new motor cradle and battery back pushed under it. The Hyundai&amp;#x2F;Kia models are all adaptions. Not 100% sure about the iPace but Jaguar even contracted out assembly.&lt;p&gt;--&lt;p&gt;The manufacturing difficulty is probably secondary to the seismic shift crossing the auto industry and associated industries. EVs don&amp;#x27;t need the large established dealership base and their included maintenance facilities. Secondary market means little use for parts stores and their suppliers. Gas stations will be right out with most charging done at destination points. Manufacturing of the autos themselves will implode the number of employees and that will lead to union difficulty in some countries; where they sit on boards and can stymie the move to EVs and loss of production jobs.&lt;p&gt;The Kia Niro EV numbers you mention are not EPA which was 258. I mention this because your other numbers were EPA.</text></item><item><author>codeulike</author><text>Compare to the Audi e-Tron, which has a fairly massive 95kWH battery but only scores 204 miles of EPA range. They claim they&amp;#x27;re only using 88% of the battery capacity so that charging is faster and battery longevity is preserved, but thats a really weird engineering decision that belies the fact they have made a terribly inefficient (and perhaps rapidly degrading?) battery pack&amp;#x2F;drivetrain.&lt;p&gt;Meanwhile the base Model S, for $4k more, has 285 miles of EPA range, and charges faster when below 50%, although not as fast as the e-Tron when above 50%.&lt;p&gt;The smaller Kia Niro EV (if you can get one, they aren&amp;#x27;t making many because they can&amp;#x27;t source the batteries) squeezes 258 miles of range from a 65 kWH battery. Much better, but terribly production constrained. It won What Car of the Year in the UK but they can only deliver 900 to the UK for the whole of 2019. Not sure what the global Kia production rate is, but presumably far far less than Tesla which has sustained 4000+ Model 3&amp;#x27;s per week since last October (although not yet delivering to the RHD countries like the UK, alas)&lt;p&gt;Turns out making EVs is harder than everyone thought. We were told the traditional automakers would just wade in and obliterate Tesla, who were just putting &amp;#x27;wheels on batteries&amp;#x27;. That hasn&amp;#x27;t happened.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>artimaeis</author><text>Many synthetic oils _are_ fine that long.&lt;p&gt;Very few oil filters are fine that long. I know Mobil 1 makes one rated for 15k miles, but I&amp;#x27;m not aware of any OEM components with near that lifetime.&lt;p&gt;Hopefully that changes soon, but in the meantime I&amp;#x27;ll keep changing the oil at the rate my oil filter is rated for.</text></comment>
<story><title>Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer without larger batteries</title><url>https://www.tesla.com/blog/longest-range-electric-vehicle-now-goes-even-farther</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>asmosoinio</author><text>I just read up on 3&amp;#x27;000 to 5&amp;#x27;00 mile intervals that might be prevalent in the US?&lt;p&gt;To me that sounds crazy. Many synthetic oils are officially approved to 15&amp;#x27;000 miles.</text></item><item><author>asmosoinio</author><text>That&amp;#x27;s not super different from long lasting oil? Some Petrol cars do 30&amp;#x27;000km without and service?</text></item><item><author>Shivetya</author><text>Service intervals are very limited. Let me use my Model 3 as an example, I only need tire rotations until 25,000 miles. At that point I need the cabin and HVAC air filters replaced, then 25k later I do it again.&lt;p&gt;Not only will dealership service centers be impacted, oil change shops will have little work if any as the number of petrol cars wind down, general service shops face the same issue as the numbers decline.&lt;p&gt;Now there are jobs that will become important similar to how renewable energy solutions ended some jobs and made new. Electricians for business and home needs will increase because of both industries.</text></item><item><author>ajuc</author><text>&amp;gt; EVs don&amp;#x27;t need the large established dealership base and their included maintenance facilities&lt;p&gt;I never understood that. Why does power source matter in the context of dealership base and maintenance? EVs still break.</text></item><item><author>Shivetya</author><text>A few observations, before I derail&lt;p&gt;I do not want to dismiss the efforts of Audi or Jaguar but I think their initial focus was being good examples for their respective brands with regards to their packaging. Their interior quality of a different generation and caliber than Tesla. The EV part was an important concern but secondary. They can still rack up significant ZEV credits in California letting them off the hook of buying them from others.&lt;p&gt;Tesla needs to refresh the S and X to improve interior fit and finish but also concentrate on making them quieter, an issue I have with my 3. without the drone of a motor every sound stands out and EVs tend to ride on stiffer, noisier, tires.&lt;p&gt;As for difficulty, other than i3 and Tesla cars I do not believe any other EV was a clean sheet design. Even the Leaf appears based on traditional cars. the Bolt is simply a spark when a new motor cradle and battery back pushed under it. The Hyundai&amp;#x2F;Kia models are all adaptions. Not 100% sure about the iPace but Jaguar even contracted out assembly.&lt;p&gt;--&lt;p&gt;The manufacturing difficulty is probably secondary to the seismic shift crossing the auto industry and associated industries. EVs don&amp;#x27;t need the large established dealership base and their included maintenance facilities. Secondary market means little use for parts stores and their suppliers. Gas stations will be right out with most charging done at destination points. Manufacturing of the autos themselves will implode the number of employees and that will lead to union difficulty in some countries; where they sit on boards and can stymie the move to EVs and loss of production jobs.&lt;p&gt;The Kia Niro EV numbers you mention are not EPA which was 258. I mention this because your other numbers were EPA.</text></item><item><author>codeulike</author><text>Compare to the Audi e-Tron, which has a fairly massive 95kWH battery but only scores 204 miles of EPA range. They claim they&amp;#x27;re only using 88% of the battery capacity so that charging is faster and battery longevity is preserved, but thats a really weird engineering decision that belies the fact they have made a terribly inefficient (and perhaps rapidly degrading?) battery pack&amp;#x2F;drivetrain.&lt;p&gt;Meanwhile the base Model S, for $4k more, has 285 miles of EPA range, and charges faster when below 50%, although not as fast as the e-Tron when above 50%.&lt;p&gt;The smaller Kia Niro EV (if you can get one, they aren&amp;#x27;t making many because they can&amp;#x27;t source the batteries) squeezes 258 miles of range from a 65 kWH battery. Much better, but terribly production constrained. It won What Car of the Year in the UK but they can only deliver 900 to the UK for the whole of 2019. Not sure what the global Kia production rate is, but presumably far far less than Tesla which has sustained 4000+ Model 3&amp;#x27;s per week since last October (although not yet delivering to the RHD countries like the UK, alas)&lt;p&gt;Turns out making EVs is harder than everyone thought. We were told the traditional automakers would just wade in and obliterate Tesla, who were just putting &amp;#x27;wheels on batteries&amp;#x27;. That hasn&amp;#x27;t happened.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>gameswithgo</author><text>oil change stores advocate 3000 miles.
car manuals or cars with computers that tell you when to change the oil advocate much longer intervals.</text></comment>