<story><title>Apple says no Java for you, removes plugin from browsers on OS X 10.7 and up</title><url>http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/18/apple-removes-java-from-osx/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>borlak</author><text>Since I was the lone developer using windows at my workplace, I decided to give Apple/OSX a fair shake.  The fact OSX was unix based seemed awesome to me (some of my projects are in C).&lt;p&gt;Then began the hell of trying to do anything &quot;unixy&quot; on OSX.  Custom libraries just for the mac (custom libev??), needing to install XCode Dev Tools to get gcc compiler(???).  Sigh.&lt;p&gt;In the end I just ended up running a CentOS VM in virtualbox, and I do my development there.  The ONLY benefit I currently gain from a Mac is creating iOS apps.</text></item><item><author>rsync</author><text>I switched from FreeBSD as my desktop to OSX about four years ago because:&lt;p&gt;a) I needed a unix based desktop&lt;p&gt;b) I needed end user components (browser, printing, etc.) that just worked&lt;p&gt;Circa 2008, everything in Safari &quot;just worked&quot; - every site, every player, every piece of embedded bullshit on every little web 2.0 site blah blah blah.&lt;p&gt;But now I need to manually futz around with flash every two weeks to keep it working ... and now java as well ?&lt;p&gt;I think OSX still has an edge for me, in terms of getting things done, due to printing and ... ?  It&apos;s getting awfully close to even, though.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>fauigerzigerk</author><text>OS X is indeed a rather nasty Unix platform right now because Apple in the midst of a long drawn out transition away from GCC. They are shipping a completely outdated GCC and an obsolete libstdc++, yet most libraries are still compiled with that ancient libstdc++.&lt;p&gt;I tried to use LLVM&apos;s libc++ instead but I had to recompile so many libraries and make sure the dynamic linker actually picks them up that it was just too big of a hassle. I don&apos;t see light at the end of that tunnel right now.&lt;p&gt;I&apos;m thinking of giving Linux another try as a development platform.</text></comment>
<story><title>Apple says no Java for you, removes plugin from browsers on OS X 10.7 and up</title><url>http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/18/apple-removes-java-from-osx/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>borlak</author><text>Since I was the lone developer using windows at my workplace, I decided to give Apple/OSX a fair shake.  The fact OSX was unix based seemed awesome to me (some of my projects are in C).&lt;p&gt;Then began the hell of trying to do anything &quot;unixy&quot; on OSX.  Custom libraries just for the mac (custom libev??), needing to install XCode Dev Tools to get gcc compiler(???).  Sigh.&lt;p&gt;In the end I just ended up running a CentOS VM in virtualbox, and I do my development there.  The ONLY benefit I currently gain from a Mac is creating iOS apps.</text></item><item><author>rsync</author><text>I switched from FreeBSD as my desktop to OSX about four years ago because:&lt;p&gt;a) I needed a unix based desktop&lt;p&gt;b) I needed end user components (browser, printing, etc.) that just worked&lt;p&gt;Circa 2008, everything in Safari &quot;just worked&quot; - every site, every player, every piece of embedded bullshit on every little web 2.0 site blah blah blah.&lt;p&gt;But now I need to manually futz around with flash every two weeks to keep it working ... and now java as well ?&lt;p&gt;I think OSX still has an edge for me, in terms of getting things done, due to printing and ... ?  It&apos;s getting awfully close to even, though.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>astrodust</author><text>If you were on Windows you&apos;d need to install Visual Studio just to get a compiler. XCode is similar. You haven&apos;t seen hell until you try and use Cygwin on Windows to get anything &quot;unixy&quot; done.&lt;p&gt;It sounds like you weren&apos;t using MacPorts or Homebrew to build your libraries. They&apos;re a lot closer to the distributions you see on Linux and BSD.</text></comment>