<story><title>Tesla co-founder and CTO JB Straubel stepping down</title><url>https://techcrunch.com/2019/07/24/tesla-co-founder-and-cto-jb-straubel-stepping-down/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>randomsearch</author><text>Why do some many people hate Tesla and want them to fail? Do they also want SpaceX to fail?&lt;p&gt;Elon can be an asshat sometimes, and he oversells and is over-optimistic. But even if the short sellers are right and Tesla will go bankrupt (which, btw, does not equal failure in many ways), why are so many people excited about that?&lt;p&gt;Most tech giants of recent times have done things I would consider to have made the world a much worse place. Why is Tesla, which has done a lot for humanity and is a key advancement in tackling climate change, hated so much? Why not save your hate for companies damaging democracy or workers rights, which seem like more serious charges?</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>Lazare</author><text>&amp;gt;  Why do some many people hate Tesla and want them to fail?&lt;p&gt;My feeling is that the overwhelming majority of Tesla critics do &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; hate Tesla, and do &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; want Tesla to fail.  Rather, they see Tesla as a small, unimportant, poorly run company that gets far more press (positive &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; negative) than it deserves, and who respond by needling Tesla super-fans. The super fans, in turn, react by treating this as shocking, but it&amp;#x27;s not really.  Tesla critics are treating Tesla like a normal company, and most companies are not particularly well-liked.  Nobody cares if Amalgamated Widgets rises and falls except it&amp;#x27;s investors and competitors.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; Do they also want SpaceX to fail?&lt;p&gt;No. But also, Tesla critics, I believe, view SpaceX as a &lt;i&gt;VERY&lt;/i&gt; different company.  Tesla is just another car company making just another car. SpaceX is something else entirely.&lt;p&gt;If your mental model is &amp;quot;Tesla is like SpaceX&amp;quot;, this probably feels weird to you, and the way Tesla gets covered in the press - as if it was merely a car company! - must be maddening.  If your mental model is &amp;quot;Tesla is like Saab&amp;quot;, this seems pretty obvious.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; Most tech giants of recent times have done things I would consider to have made the world a much worse place.&lt;p&gt;I would never &lt;i&gt;dream&lt;/i&gt; of calling Tesla a &amp;quot;tech giant&amp;quot;.  It&amp;#x27;s a car company, it&amp;#x27;s not making very good cars, it&amp;#x27;s not making them very well, it&amp;#x27;s not making very many of them, and it&amp;#x27;s not making a lot of money off them. I am &lt;i&gt;incredibly&lt;/i&gt; tired of hearing about Tesla. Even if it wins, the Tesla end-game is to be another big successful car company, and I don&amp;#x27;t care about big successful car companies.</text></comment>
<story><title>Tesla co-founder and CTO JB Straubel stepping down</title><url>https://techcrunch.com/2019/07/24/tesla-co-founder-and-cto-jb-straubel-stepping-down/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>randomsearch</author><text>Why do some many people hate Tesla and want them to fail? Do they also want SpaceX to fail?&lt;p&gt;Elon can be an asshat sometimes, and he oversells and is over-optimistic. But even if the short sellers are right and Tesla will go bankrupt (which, btw, does not equal failure in many ways), why are so many people excited about that?&lt;p&gt;Most tech giants of recent times have done things I would consider to have made the world a much worse place. Why is Tesla, which has done a lot for humanity and is a key advancement in tackling climate change, hated so much? Why not save your hate for companies damaging democracy or workers rights, which seem like more serious charges?</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>Barrin92</author><text>&amp;gt;Why do some many people hate Tesla and want them to fail? Do they also want SpaceX to fail?&lt;p&gt;For me personally the treatment of their workers, their anti-unionisation efforts, and their misleading advertisement of the autopilot, together with Musks extremely off-putting public behaviour. And no I don&amp;#x27;t want spaceX to fail.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt;Why not save your hate for companies damaging democracy or workers rights, which seem like more serious charges?&lt;p&gt;I think many people, including myself at this point have similar opinions about Facebook et al. There are relatively few large tech companies left that I look at optimistically.</text></comment>