<story><title>Socrates on the forgetfulness that comes with writing</title><url>https://newlearningonline.com/literacies/chapter-1/socrates-on-the-forgetfulness-that-comes-with-writing</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>eternalban</author><text>&amp;gt; upset about was the growing reliance on ..&lt;p&gt;Then he would have freaked out over smart phones. I&amp;#x27;ve first hand seen what happens to e.g. sense of direction once use of the navigator-assist becomes habitual. Some auxiliary mental muscle atrophies in the brain.</text></item><item><author>wahern</author><text>These things aren&amp;#x27;t contradictory. Ancient Greek students used wax tablets for taking notes, etc. What Socrates (and Plato and others) were upset about was the growing reliance on permanent writing to &lt;i&gt;displace&lt;/i&gt; memorization. For example, giving a speech from notes rather than from memory; or in rhetoric citing to a work without being able to literally recite that part from memory. To the extent writing aided memorization and comprehension, they had no beef. The debate was about the nature of knowledge--whether knowledge could exist independent of an internalized form within the mind--i.e. memorization.</text></item><item><author>nehal3m</author><text>Hah, you can&amp;#x27;t make this stuff up.&lt;p&gt;6. 
Socrates on the Forgetfulness That Comes with Writing (newlearningonline.com)
33 points by indy 1 hour ago | hide | 5 comments&lt;p&gt;7. 
Writing by hand is still the best way to retain information (stackoverflow.blog)
329 points by TangerineDream 7 hours ago | hide | 189 comments</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>Broken_Hippo</author><text>You right this like people were born with some sort of innate ability, while my personal experience is that using a gas station toilet means that I have to get my bearings. I, as an adult in my mid 40&amp;#x27;s, have to actually think about which is my right and left. I also lived without a gps of any sort for most of my life: Before gps, I printed directions. Before that, I relied on maps when I could or just got lost.&lt;p&gt;A navigator of some sort means that I can make up for this shortcoming and that I can explore. It isn&amp;#x27;t perfect, but much better than my brain does on its own.</text></comment>
<story><title>Socrates on the forgetfulness that comes with writing</title><url>https://newlearningonline.com/literacies/chapter-1/socrates-on-the-forgetfulness-that-comes-with-writing</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>eternalban</author><text>&amp;gt; upset about was the growing reliance on ..&lt;p&gt;Then he would have freaked out over smart phones. I&amp;#x27;ve first hand seen what happens to e.g. sense of direction once use of the navigator-assist becomes habitual. Some auxiliary mental muscle atrophies in the brain.</text></item><item><author>wahern</author><text>These things aren&amp;#x27;t contradictory. Ancient Greek students used wax tablets for taking notes, etc. What Socrates (and Plato and others) were upset about was the growing reliance on permanent writing to &lt;i&gt;displace&lt;/i&gt; memorization. For example, giving a speech from notes rather than from memory; or in rhetoric citing to a work without being able to literally recite that part from memory. To the extent writing aided memorization and comprehension, they had no beef. The debate was about the nature of knowledge--whether knowledge could exist independent of an internalized form within the mind--i.e. memorization.</text></item><item><author>nehal3m</author><text>Hah, you can&amp;#x27;t make this stuff up.&lt;p&gt;6. 
Socrates on the Forgetfulness That Comes with Writing (newlearningonline.com)
33 points by indy 1 hour ago | hide | 5 comments&lt;p&gt;7. 
Writing by hand is still the best way to retain information (stackoverflow.blog)
329 points by TangerineDream 7 hours ago | hide | 189 comments</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>tshaddox</author><text>Is there evidence that this oft-cited claim about using turn-by-turn directions is inevitable (or even true at all, for that matter). I have a decent sense of direction, but I still use turn-by-turn directions routinely both for unfamiliar areas, and for familiar areas because of traffic information. A sense of direction doesn’t really help with tricky exits, one way streets, etc. or with real-time traffic info.</text></comment>