<story><title>San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on</title><url>https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/10/23019303/heres-what-happens-cops-pull-over-a-driverless-cruise-vehicle-general-motors</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>kadoban</author><text>That teenage driver goes through a training and certification process, and we have ways of stopping them from driving if they fuck up too badly. They also have liability for their actions.&lt;p&gt;Most of those are lacking or at least inconsistent, for AI driving.</text></item><item><author>xadhominemx</author><text>We are all unwilling testers of every new teenage driver who hits the road.</text></item><item><author>jwr</author><text>I am really worried by the fact that &lt;i&gt;I&lt;/i&gt; am the unwilling tester in the Great Driverless Car Experiment.&lt;p&gt;Tradition has it that when you load-test a new bridge, you put the architect underneath. I feel like this, except I didn&amp;#x27;t design those driverless cars, somebody else did. Being an experienced software engineer, my trust in the software in these cars is pretty low. And yet they are testing them on me, because &lt;i&gt;I&lt;/i&gt; can be the one getting killed.&lt;p&gt;I think we should set a much higher bar for allowing those cars on the streets, rather than &amp;quot;it kinda works, so let&amp;#x27;s roll with it&amp;quot;.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>dfxm12</author><text>&lt;i&gt;That teenage driver goes through a training and certification process, and we have ways of stopping them from driving if they fuck up too badly.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;This is a complete aside, but not having a license doesn&amp;#x27;t really prevent you from getting in a car and driving it. I was just reminded of this when a buddy&amp;#x27;s parked car was struck by a drunk driver who was not legally licensed to drive because their license was revoked from having &lt;i&gt;many&lt;/i&gt; prior DUI&amp;#x27;s. Luckily they didn&amp;#x27;t kill anyone.&lt;p&gt;Hopefully it will be easier to enforce shutting down unsafe driverless cars.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;ve also known teens without licenses who had to drive their irresponsible buddies&amp;#x27; cars home after the licensed driver drove somewhere and got drunk. It&amp;#x27;s not like there&amp;#x27;s a biometric scanner in each car that verifies the person behind the wheel is a licensed driver...</text></comment>
<story><title>San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on</title><url>https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/10/23019303/heres-what-happens-cops-pull-over-a-driverless-cruise-vehicle-general-motors</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>kadoban</author><text>That teenage driver goes through a training and certification process, and we have ways of stopping them from driving if they fuck up too badly. They also have liability for their actions.&lt;p&gt;Most of those are lacking or at least inconsistent, for AI driving.</text></item><item><author>xadhominemx</author><text>We are all unwilling testers of every new teenage driver who hits the road.</text></item><item><author>jwr</author><text>I am really worried by the fact that &lt;i&gt;I&lt;/i&gt; am the unwilling tester in the Great Driverless Car Experiment.&lt;p&gt;Tradition has it that when you load-test a new bridge, you put the architect underneath. I feel like this, except I didn&amp;#x27;t design those driverless cars, somebody else did. Being an experienced software engineer, my trust in the software in these cars is pretty low. And yet they are testing them on me, because &lt;i&gt;I&lt;/i&gt; can be the one getting killed.&lt;p&gt;I think we should set a much higher bar for allowing those cars on the streets, rather than &amp;quot;it kinda works, so let&amp;#x27;s roll with it&amp;quot;.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>lhorie</author><text>Here in San Francisco you don&amp;#x27;t actually need to go through any training to receive a drivers license. You just need to pass a computer test (of mostly easily memorizable material) and a road test that consists mostly of turning left and right a few times. They don&amp;#x27;t even test highway driving, three point turns or parallel parking like they do in some other countries.&lt;p&gt;Also, didn&amp;#x27;t the entire Uber fleet get grounded after the Tempe death, with a huge months-long NHTSA investigation?</text></comment>