<story><title>Apple is quietly pushing a TV ad product with media agencies</title><url>https://digiday.com/media/apple-is-quietly-pushing-a-tv-ad-product-with-media-agencies/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>throw10920</author><text>Nobody has the right to obtain copyrighted entertainment products. Unlike, say, having access to food or water, or even education, there&amp;#x27;s no coherent moral framework that says that you are obligated to the latest TV shows or movies under your own terms.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; that are contributing a substantial part of how the society collectively feels and thinks&lt;p&gt;First of all, I straight-up don&amp;#x27;t believe this. I had very little exposure to TV&amp;#x2F;movies&amp;#x2F;books&amp;#x2F;the internet growing up, and yet I feel virtually no disconnect with my friends and co-workers - even when I don&amp;#x27;t understand a particular cultural reference they make, they either explain it and we engage in a fun tangent about it, or we just laugh and move on.&lt;p&gt;Second, even if that were true - then the problem is that culture is being built off of copyrighted works in the first place. Solve &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt;. Doing otherwise shows that this is just a convenient excuse to secure access to personal entertainment.</text></item><item><author>nscalf</author><text>I don&amp;#x27;t find this particularly morally dubious.  These companies are approaching monopoly powers and using it to squeeze consumers.  Disney owns about 1&amp;#x2F;3 of all box office revenue.  The government has shown they&amp;#x27;re unwilling to break up monopolies, or even really limit them in any meaningful way.&lt;p&gt;Also, I don&amp;#x27;t quite know my feelings on this yet, but there is something real about some shows and movies being part of the milieu.  Something doesn&amp;#x27;t sit quite right about repeatedly increasing the pricing via anti-consumer acquisitions on products that are contributing a substantial part of how the society collectively feels and thinks.  It feels like you have to make more money to live in the same society.</text></item><item><author>belval</author><text>I know it&amp;#x27;s morally dubious, but I&amp;#x27;m completely back in pirateland because of all the changes&amp;#x2F;price hikes&amp;#x2F;partitioning in the streaming space. My interests make it so I only watch 1-2 shows per platform so I&amp;#x27;d be approaching ~100$&amp;#x2F;month.&lt;p&gt;And even if I was swimming in money, it&amp;#x27;s often easier to just download the shows I want and watch them on Plex&amp;#x2F;Jellyfin than trying to navigate the (often ad-riddled) interfaces of the various platforms and finding &lt;i&gt;where&lt;/i&gt; the content I want is.&lt;p&gt;One example is Rick and Morty, it&amp;#x27;s made by Adult Swim, but they don&amp;#x27;t have a streaming service in Canada. It seems to be on Primevideo but under a different system than their regular content. The other way to watch it is to buy it from my cable provider (I don&amp;#x27;t have cable). So to watch a 20-minutes animated show I&amp;#x27;d have to take a +40$ subscription.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>samatman</author><text>&amp;gt; &lt;i&gt;there&amp;#x27;s no coherent moral framework that says that you are obligated to the latest TV shows or movies under your own terms.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;Copyright anarchy and copyright abolition are absolutely coherent moral frameworks.&lt;p&gt;I have a magnet link. It brings me information. You don&amp;#x27;t want me to have that information? Up yours.&lt;p&gt;Oh you &lt;i&gt;made&lt;/i&gt; it did you? Should&amp;#x27;ve thought about my BATNA before deciding how to put it on the market.&lt;p&gt;For the record, I&amp;#x27;m quite a bit more moderate than this would imply. But copyright is a weird wrinkle to &amp;quot;encourage the useful arts and sciences&amp;quot;, it&amp;#x27;s has no basis in natural rights, the opposite in fact: the State intervenes in my natural right to do things with my own computer and the Internet connection I pay for, in order to encourage the making of more cinema and so on.</text></comment>
<story><title>Apple is quietly pushing a TV ad product with media agencies</title><url>https://digiday.com/media/apple-is-quietly-pushing-a-tv-ad-product-with-media-agencies/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>throw10920</author><text>Nobody has the right to obtain copyrighted entertainment products. Unlike, say, having access to food or water, or even education, there&amp;#x27;s no coherent moral framework that says that you are obligated to the latest TV shows or movies under your own terms.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; that are contributing a substantial part of how the society collectively feels and thinks&lt;p&gt;First of all, I straight-up don&amp;#x27;t believe this. I had very little exposure to TV&amp;#x2F;movies&amp;#x2F;books&amp;#x2F;the internet growing up, and yet I feel virtually no disconnect with my friends and co-workers - even when I don&amp;#x27;t understand a particular cultural reference they make, they either explain it and we engage in a fun tangent about it, or we just laugh and move on.&lt;p&gt;Second, even if that were true - then the problem is that culture is being built off of copyrighted works in the first place. Solve &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt;. Doing otherwise shows that this is just a convenient excuse to secure access to personal entertainment.</text></item><item><author>nscalf</author><text>I don&amp;#x27;t find this particularly morally dubious.  These companies are approaching monopoly powers and using it to squeeze consumers.  Disney owns about 1&amp;#x2F;3 of all box office revenue.  The government has shown they&amp;#x27;re unwilling to break up monopolies, or even really limit them in any meaningful way.&lt;p&gt;Also, I don&amp;#x27;t quite know my feelings on this yet, but there is something real about some shows and movies being part of the milieu.  Something doesn&amp;#x27;t sit quite right about repeatedly increasing the pricing via anti-consumer acquisitions on products that are contributing a substantial part of how the society collectively feels and thinks.  It feels like you have to make more money to live in the same society.</text></item><item><author>belval</author><text>I know it&amp;#x27;s morally dubious, but I&amp;#x27;m completely back in pirateland because of all the changes&amp;#x2F;price hikes&amp;#x2F;partitioning in the streaming space. My interests make it so I only watch 1-2 shows per platform so I&amp;#x27;d be approaching ~100$&amp;#x2F;month.&lt;p&gt;And even if I was swimming in money, it&amp;#x27;s often easier to just download the shows I want and watch them on Plex&amp;#x2F;Jellyfin than trying to navigate the (often ad-riddled) interfaces of the various platforms and finding &lt;i&gt;where&lt;/i&gt; the content I want is.&lt;p&gt;One example is Rick and Morty, it&amp;#x27;s made by Adult Swim, but they don&amp;#x27;t have a streaming service in Canada. It seems to be on Primevideo but under a different system than their regular content. The other way to watch it is to buy it from my cable provider (I don&amp;#x27;t have cable). So to watch a 20-minutes animated show I&amp;#x27;d have to take a +40$ subscription.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>horsawlarway</author><text>&amp;gt; Second, even if that were true - then the problem is that culture is being built off of copyrighted works in the first place. Solve that.&lt;p&gt;I mean - the natural state of these works has ALREADY solved that, they are easily copied and distributed.  The only prevention is arbitrary law&amp;#x2F;policy that says we (the royal one) shouldn&amp;#x27;t.&lt;p&gt;So you&amp;#x27;re essentially arguing that no one has the right to a product, but they do - in a natural state, copying and sharing those items IS THE DEFAULT.&lt;p&gt;In fact - copyright law is insanely new, as far as laws go - dating back only about 300 years (1710 - Statute of Anne).&lt;p&gt;Personally - I think the whole thing was a mistake, and we&amp;#x27;ve seen complete erosion of public access to works of all sort (not to mention education) under these new laws.  That said - they&amp;#x27;re wildly successful if the goal is to subvert culture for private gains.</text></comment>