<story><title>Ctrl Shift Face: A growing ‘deepfakes’ YouTube channel</title><url>https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/05/28/youtube_deepfakes_channel/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>gambler</author><text>You&amp;#x27;re not thinking this through.&lt;p&gt;The problem isn&amp;#x27;t that creators can make fake videos (which would be analogous to DRM). Let them. There is no harm in it. The problem is that users have no way of verifying true videos. This &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; be solved with cryptography, because both parties involved (creators and viewers) would want this to work.&lt;p&gt;In other words, DRM is about forcing &lt;i&gt;everyone&lt;/i&gt; to do a thing. Verification is about allowing &lt;i&gt;willing participants&lt;/i&gt; to check a thing. Different scenarios.&lt;p&gt;Companies could make tamper-proof sensor modules that do the signing right where it matters. The important thing is to make sure they aren&amp;#x27;t astronomically priced and don&amp;#x27;t compromise privacy.</text></item><item><author>buildzr</author><text>It&amp;#x27;d be too easy to fake, just replace the sensor in an approved camera with your own data feed.&lt;p&gt;And that&amp;#x27;s assuming it wouldn&amp;#x27;t be somewhat trivial to dump keys from one or more cameras on the market to create a an easy tool or resignvideo.com... which is a massive assumption.&lt;p&gt;As the movie industry has already seen, cryptography doesn&amp;#x27;t help you when you push out the keys to everyone. It&amp;#x27;d be about as effective as DRM is at stopping video piracy.</text></item><item><author>_red</author><text>I would imagine that in the future video encoders will start to automatically include a cryptographic signature every X frames, which then players will become aware of and show an indicator for &amp;quot;original &amp;#x2F; modified&amp;quot; content.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>dang</author><text>&amp;gt; You&amp;#x27;re not thinking this through.&lt;p&gt;Would you please edit swipes like that (and &amp;quot;you must live in a parallel universe, to put it politely&amp;quot;) out of your comments here? They break the guidelines, lower the signal&amp;#x2F;noise ratio, and invite more of the same from others. Your comments would be just fine without those bits.&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&amp;#x2F;newsguidelines.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&amp;#x2F;newsguidelines.html&lt;/a&gt;</text></comment>
<story><title>Ctrl Shift Face: A growing ‘deepfakes’ YouTube channel</title><url>https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/05/28/youtube_deepfakes_channel/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>gambler</author><text>You&amp;#x27;re not thinking this through.&lt;p&gt;The problem isn&amp;#x27;t that creators can make fake videos (which would be analogous to DRM). Let them. There is no harm in it. The problem is that users have no way of verifying true videos. This &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; be solved with cryptography, because both parties involved (creators and viewers) would want this to work.&lt;p&gt;In other words, DRM is about forcing &lt;i&gt;everyone&lt;/i&gt; to do a thing. Verification is about allowing &lt;i&gt;willing participants&lt;/i&gt; to check a thing. Different scenarios.&lt;p&gt;Companies could make tamper-proof sensor modules that do the signing right where it matters. The important thing is to make sure they aren&amp;#x27;t astronomically priced and don&amp;#x27;t compromise privacy.</text></item><item><author>buildzr</author><text>It&amp;#x27;d be too easy to fake, just replace the sensor in an approved camera with your own data feed.&lt;p&gt;And that&amp;#x27;s assuming it wouldn&amp;#x27;t be somewhat trivial to dump keys from one or more cameras on the market to create a an easy tool or resignvideo.com... which is a massive assumption.&lt;p&gt;As the movie industry has already seen, cryptography doesn&amp;#x27;t help you when you push out the keys to everyone. It&amp;#x27;d be about as effective as DRM is at stopping video piracy.</text></item><item><author>_red</author><text>I would imagine that in the future video encoders will start to automatically include a cryptographic signature every X frames, which then players will become aware of and show an indicator for &amp;quot;original &amp;#x2F; modified&amp;quot; content.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>anbop</author><text>Play deepfake on a TV, point signed camera at it.</text></comment>