<story><title>Tailscale Funnel</title><url>https://tailscale.com/blog/introducing-tailscale-funnel/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>anderspitman</author><text>This is huge. One of the last major missing features from Tailscale IMO. I maintain a list of tunneling solutions[0]. Personally, I think the future of p2p networking and selfhosting may be through tunneled, SNI-routed TLS connections (exactly what Tailscale just announced). It solves IP exhaustion, NAT, and IP privacy at the cost of an extra hop and no UDP.&lt;p&gt;The big question is going to be pricing. The current top player in this space is Cloudflare Tunnel, which is a loss-leader product that technically forbids selfhosting anything other than HTML sites.&lt;p&gt;Selfhosting media can use tons of bandwidth. Any service that doesn&amp;#x27;t charge per GB is incentivized to limit your speeds.&lt;p&gt;[0]: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;github.com&amp;#x2F;anderspitman&amp;#x2F;awesome-tunneling&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;github.com&amp;#x2F;anderspitman&amp;#x2F;awesome-tunneling&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>tjoff</author><text>&amp;gt; It solves IP exhaustion, NAT, and IP privacy at the cost of an extra hop and no UDP.&lt;p&gt;That is awfully expensive for something ipv6 already solves minus the privacy part. I don&amp;#x27;t see how it can be considered &amp;quot;huge&amp;quot;. A slight convenience maybe?&lt;p&gt;Also, routing everything through a 3rd party is a massive downside.</text></comment>
<story><title>Tailscale Funnel</title><url>https://tailscale.com/blog/introducing-tailscale-funnel/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>anderspitman</author><text>This is huge. One of the last major missing features from Tailscale IMO. I maintain a list of tunneling solutions[0]. Personally, I think the future of p2p networking and selfhosting may be through tunneled, SNI-routed TLS connections (exactly what Tailscale just announced). It solves IP exhaustion, NAT, and IP privacy at the cost of an extra hop and no UDP.&lt;p&gt;The big question is going to be pricing. The current top player in this space is Cloudflare Tunnel, which is a loss-leader product that technically forbids selfhosting anything other than HTML sites.&lt;p&gt;Selfhosting media can use tons of bandwidth. Any service that doesn&amp;#x27;t charge per GB is incentivized to limit your speeds.&lt;p&gt;[0]: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;github.com&amp;#x2F;anderspitman&amp;#x2F;awesome-tunneling&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;github.com&amp;#x2F;anderspitman&amp;#x2F;awesome-tunneling&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>api</author><text>So basically that would mean a cloudflare for P2P, though maintaining data privacy at least.&lt;p&gt;It’s better than no P2P but IPv6 solves exhaustion and NAT without the performance hit or protocol limitations and with no extra third party intermediary in the way.&lt;p&gt;BTW this maintains data privacy but you can still tell a whole whole lot from metadata.&lt;p&gt;On the flip side it would prevent the kind of “griefing” with DDOS that happens every once in a while with self hosted and P2P things. It’s not that common unless you are engaging with certain communities but it is an inherent Internet architectural flaw that this kind of works around (at a cost).</text></comment>