<story><title>FDA says 561 deaths tied to recalled Philips sleep apnea machines</title><url>https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fda-sleep-apnea-philips-recall-cpap/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>dash2</author><text>I have a strong aversion to comments like this, because they come across as extremely generic. Are you really very knowledgeable about the Dutch justice system, that being where Philips is headquartered? Philips are gonna lose at least $400m from this: what makes you so certain that the justice system is &amp;quot;completely broken&amp;quot;, or that manslaughter charges are what they deserve? Have you compared the justice system with, let&amp;#x27;s say, Russian justice or Zimbabwean justice? I think the latter are a great deal more broken.&lt;p&gt;Casual cynicism is as foolish as casual naivety, and more toxic and dangerous.</text></item><item><author>dns_snek</author><text>Because after decades of inbreeding between the legislators, law enforcement, and corporations, the justice system is completely broken.</text></item><item><author>lijok</author><text>You just know the people that brought this up internally at Philips were told “it’s not that simple, we can’t just…”.&lt;p&gt;Why is every CEO that held the reins during this debacle at Philips not in jail right now for manslaughter?</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>dns_snek</author><text>They killed &lt;i&gt;at least&lt;/i&gt; 561 people, &lt;i&gt;knew about it, covered it up for years&lt;/i&gt;, and you want to debate whether manslaughter charges might be appropriate? Any justice system which allows that to happen without imprisoning the people responsible for the rest of their lives is completely broken, says me.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s not casual cynicism either, at this point it&amp;#x27;s professional cynicism because we&amp;#x27;ve all seen this film 1000 times before and we know how it typically ends. Personally I&amp;#x27;d reserve the use of words such as &amp;quot;toxic&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;dangerous&amp;quot; for Philips&amp;#x27; CPAP machines and their leadership.&lt;p&gt;They&amp;#x27;re going to pay less than $1 million per victim while their annual profits are in the billions. Would you feel good about that amount if they killed your dad, mom, brother, sister, son or daughter?</text></comment>
<story><title>FDA says 561 deaths tied to recalled Philips sleep apnea machines</title><url>https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fda-sleep-apnea-philips-recall-cpap/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>dash2</author><text>I have a strong aversion to comments like this, because they come across as extremely generic. Are you really very knowledgeable about the Dutch justice system, that being where Philips is headquartered? Philips are gonna lose at least $400m from this: what makes you so certain that the justice system is &amp;quot;completely broken&amp;quot;, or that manslaughter charges are what they deserve? Have you compared the justice system with, let&amp;#x27;s say, Russian justice or Zimbabwean justice? I think the latter are a great deal more broken.&lt;p&gt;Casual cynicism is as foolish as casual naivety, and more toxic and dangerous.</text></item><item><author>dns_snek</author><text>Because after decades of inbreeding between the legislators, law enforcement, and corporations, the justice system is completely broken.</text></item><item><author>lijok</author><text>You just know the people that brought this up internally at Philips were told “it’s not that simple, we can’t just…”.&lt;p&gt;Why is every CEO that held the reins during this debacle at Philips not in jail right now for manslaughter?</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>usea</author><text>They killed people for money. They will get away with it because the managerial class is generally not held responsible for their actions. One legal system is not immune from criticism just because worse ones exist.</text></comment>