<story><title>Boys and Men in the United States Are Struggling. The Left Should Talk About It</title><url>https://jacobin.com/2023/09/boys-men-work-despair-struggling-wages-education/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>LeroyRaz</author><text>Richard Reeves is originally from the left, and there is a podcast interview of him by Ezra Klein (titled &amp;quot;the boys are not alright&amp;quot;). In the interview he describes how he was drawn to feminism and looking at gender inequality, and by looking at the data became convinced that boys and men were a neglected cause. He was then frustrated as other researchers and policy people had no interest in that form of inequality.&lt;p&gt;This experience of a researcher starting by caring deeply about inequality, and starting with feminism, and then identifying male issues and finding a total lack of community interest has occurred before. This is exactly what happened to Warren Farrell, who a was once a major figure in feminism (and then largely ignored once he started talking about the issues facing men) (see his Wikipedia page for details).&lt;p&gt;I think part of what makes getting sociatal buy in on men&amp;#x27;s issues is that one of the biases men face is a lack of care for men in need of help, and this relates to the idea of male disposability.&lt;p&gt;For reference, there is a quite shocking list of statistics where men have significantly worse outcomes than women: longer jail for the same crime, higher rates of homelessness, higher rates of suicide, lower educational outcomes, shorter life spans, less friends on average, ...&lt;p&gt;Obviously women suffer from other issues, but as Ezra Klein is keen to emphasize to any listeners of the interview, empathy is not a zero sum game.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>mwbajor</author><text>Can we have an example of toxic masculinity? I&amp;#x27;ve never once received a real definition in a debate like this and when I&amp;#x27;m close to it, the other side tries to make it sound like they are sympathetic to toxic masculinity.&lt;p&gt;For example, I&amp;#x27;ve had it told to me that I shouldnt have my son help me with changing my car&amp;#x27;s oil because thats putting some sort of burden on him at an early age. Does this sound like something a sane person would say? I would go as far to give the benefit of the doubt and say no, most people are sane and the ones that would make this type of argument are drawn into a social mania.</text></comment>
<story><title>Boys and Men in the United States Are Struggling. The Left Should Talk About It</title><url>https://jacobin.com/2023/09/boys-men-work-despair-struggling-wages-education/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>LeroyRaz</author><text>Richard Reeves is originally from the left, and there is a podcast interview of him by Ezra Klein (titled &amp;quot;the boys are not alright&amp;quot;). In the interview he describes how he was drawn to feminism and looking at gender inequality, and by looking at the data became convinced that boys and men were a neglected cause. He was then frustrated as other researchers and policy people had no interest in that form of inequality.&lt;p&gt;This experience of a researcher starting by caring deeply about inequality, and starting with feminism, and then identifying male issues and finding a total lack of community interest has occurred before. This is exactly what happened to Warren Farrell, who a was once a major figure in feminism (and then largely ignored once he started talking about the issues facing men) (see his Wikipedia page for details).&lt;p&gt;I think part of what makes getting sociatal buy in on men&amp;#x27;s issues is that one of the biases men face is a lack of care for men in need of help, and this relates to the idea of male disposability.&lt;p&gt;For reference, there is a quite shocking list of statistics where men have significantly worse outcomes than women: longer jail for the same crime, higher rates of homelessness, higher rates of suicide, lower educational outcomes, shorter life spans, less friends on average, ...&lt;p&gt;Obviously women suffer from other issues, but as Ezra Klein is keen to emphasize to any listeners of the interview, empathy is not a zero sum game.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>Jensson</author><text>&amp;gt; empathy is not a zero sum game.&lt;p&gt;But we are biased to empathize more with women than men, both women and men are biased that way. That is the core of &amp;quot;toxic masculinity&amp;quot;, we need everyone to empathize more with men, but instead due to low empathy for men all they say is &amp;quot;just work on your own problems, it isn&amp;#x27;t that bad for you!!&amp;quot;.&lt;p&gt;There isn&amp;#x27;t much you can do in that situation, the low empathy burden men are shouldered with isn&amp;#x27;t something society wants to deal with, neither the left nor the right.</text></comment>