<story><title>Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate</title><url>https://github.com/admin-ch/CovidCertificate-Documents</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>swiley</author><text>Doesn&amp;#x27;t that creep you out at least a little bit?</text></item><item><author>CaptainZapp</author><text>You actually get heavily fined when you move to Switzerland and use your foreign license for more than a year.&lt;p&gt;Exchanging it is a small formality in most cases, but you need to do it.</text></item><item><author>zhdc1</author><text>Americans are far more distrustful.&lt;p&gt;The idea of registering with your local municipality is downright alien in the United States. At best, you&amp;#x27;re required to eventually update your drivers license when you switch states, which (depending on the state) is the equivalent of &amp;quot;maybe&amp;quot; updating your license and vehicle registration whenever you eventually get around to it.&lt;p&gt;Compare that against moving between, say, Switzerland and Poland (or any other combination of Schengen member countries).</text></item><item><author>m_st</author><text>We Swiss people are also quite suspicious with this kind of documentation (Google Fichenaffäre &amp;#x2F; secret files scandal for reasons). To my understanding you will get this Covid certificate either through vaccination, after having had Covid-19 or after a negative test.
So it&amp;#x27;s not like a central vaccine database or so.&lt;p&gt;(Note that we had such a database called &amp;quot;Elektronischer Impfausweis&amp;quot; but it had to be taken down after it was found to be a mess in security)</text></item><item><author>mensetmanusman</author><text>From the G7 agenda reporting:&lt;p&gt;“ Last Friday morning, during an interview on Good Morning America, U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said the Biden administration was taking “a very close look” at the possibility of vaccine passports for travel into and out of the United States.&lt;p&gt;However by Friday afternoon the Department of Homeland Security was clarifying Mayorkas’ statement. The DHS says there won’t be any federal vaccination database nor any mandate that requires people to get a single vaccination credential. It also said there are no plans for anything like a U.S. passport.”&lt;p&gt;The U.S. is suspicious of many types of documentation. E.g. none needed for voting in many areas, etc. The culture tends towards erring on less bureaucracy.&lt;p&gt;If more states ban covid-passports, I wonder if the EU would rather not have tourists than allow visitations.&lt;p&gt;Once there is a vaccine surplus, the vast amount of risk is on those who decide out of their own volition to not get vaccinated, at which point society can’t hold their hands anymore.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>dvdkon</author><text>Not really. I think some people associate driving a car with freedom of movement. I get it, when it&amp;#x27;s your primary mode of transport, it feels dystopian to have it taken away. Interestingly, I get a similar feeling in places with no&amp;#x2F;unreliable public transport or in countries where I can&amp;#x27;t walk through forests, meadows and fields. Not that walking through fields is my primary way of traveling, but it feels reassuring to know I can leave by just walking away (and then catching a bus to get home).</text></comment>
<story><title>Swiss Covid Certificate – Technical documentation of the swiss Covid certificate</title><url>https://github.com/admin-ch/CovidCertificate-Documents</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>swiley</author><text>Doesn&amp;#x27;t that creep you out at least a little bit?</text></item><item><author>CaptainZapp</author><text>You actually get heavily fined when you move to Switzerland and use your foreign license for more than a year.&lt;p&gt;Exchanging it is a small formality in most cases, but you need to do it.</text></item><item><author>zhdc1</author><text>Americans are far more distrustful.&lt;p&gt;The idea of registering with your local municipality is downright alien in the United States. At best, you&amp;#x27;re required to eventually update your drivers license when you switch states, which (depending on the state) is the equivalent of &amp;quot;maybe&amp;quot; updating your license and vehicle registration whenever you eventually get around to it.&lt;p&gt;Compare that against moving between, say, Switzerland and Poland (or any other combination of Schengen member countries).</text></item><item><author>m_st</author><text>We Swiss people are also quite suspicious with this kind of documentation (Google Fichenaffäre &amp;#x2F; secret files scandal for reasons). To my understanding you will get this Covid certificate either through vaccination, after having had Covid-19 or after a negative test.
So it&amp;#x27;s not like a central vaccine database or so.&lt;p&gt;(Note that we had such a database called &amp;quot;Elektronischer Impfausweis&amp;quot; but it had to be taken down after it was found to be a mess in security)</text></item><item><author>mensetmanusman</author><text>From the G7 agenda reporting:&lt;p&gt;“ Last Friday morning, during an interview on Good Morning America, U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said the Biden administration was taking “a very close look” at the possibility of vaccine passports for travel into and out of the United States.&lt;p&gt;However by Friday afternoon the Department of Homeland Security was clarifying Mayorkas’ statement. The DHS says there won’t be any federal vaccination database nor any mandate that requires people to get a single vaccination credential. It also said there are no plans for anything like a U.S. passport.”&lt;p&gt;The U.S. is suspicious of many types of documentation. E.g. none needed for voting in many areas, etc. The culture tends towards erring on less bureaucracy.&lt;p&gt;If more states ban covid-passports, I wonder if the EU would rather not have tourists than allow visitations.&lt;p&gt;Once there is a vaccine surplus, the vast amount of risk is on those who decide out of their own volition to not get vaccinated, at which point society can’t hold their hands anymore.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>snovv_crash</author><text>No. Why? Because there is civilian oversight.&lt;p&gt;Compare this with the US, where if I want to give a proof of address for a phone contract, or a car lease, or anything else. In the US, I need to go to a private, for profit organisation who will send me some mail, and then by receiving this mail I &amp;#x27;prove&amp;#x27; that I live at this address. No civilian oversight, in fact they can sell that data to whoever they want&lt;p&gt;With the Swiss (or German) system, you get a proof of address when you register at your local center. They&amp;#x27;re also the ones who handle things like marriage certificates, death certificates, etc. And then if they do something with the data that you&amp;#x27;re unhappy with, you vote in new laws saying what is and isn&amp;#x27;t acceptable.</text></comment>