<story><title>A Type of Road Junction that Kills Cyclists</title><url>http://singletrackworld.com/2018/01/collision-course-why-this-type-of-road-junction-will-keep-killing-cyclists/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>ajmurmann</author><text>A roundabout is a much better solution than a stop sign. I still believe that the ubiquous stop signs in the US are there due to the oil lobby. Bringing a car to a full stop is incredibly wasteful.</text></item><item><author>temp-dude-87844</author><text>There&amp;#x27;s a lot of math in this article about blind spots and car pillars and whatnot, but a Google Maps Street View appears to show the terrain and brush blocking the view on approach [1][2], making all of this math largely moot. That the drivers in question didn&amp;#x27;t even so much as slow down for this approach is beyond reckless, aside from the other lawbreaking that followed.&lt;p&gt;The &amp;#x27;Give Way&amp;#x27; sign is idiotic, put a Stop sign on the other, flatter road, or make it a 4-way stop. The drivers causing accidents were blowing through the intersection, and shame on the wording of the law that they were able to weasel out of harsher punishment.&lt;p&gt;Altering the roadway geometry, either as proposed, or more drastically with a roundabout, is a brute-force solution on this country road when other societal measures don&amp;#x27;t suffice, but it seems that there&amp;#x27;s plenty of room to enact other changes before you dig up the road.&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.google.com&amp;#x2F;maps&amp;#x2F;@50.8638239,-1.4511249,3a,75y,269.62h,66.23t&amp;#x2F;data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgp5ZPCZzLXnphyQnR_xhww!2e0!7i13312!8i6656&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.google.com&amp;#x2F;maps&amp;#x2F;@50.8638239,-1.4511249,3a,75y,26...&lt;/a&gt; [2] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.google.com&amp;#x2F;maps&amp;#x2F;@50.8634141,-1.452595,3a,75y,269.9h,68.29t&amp;#x2F;data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZFSqQto6dDxulLvfKmzH6g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.google.com&amp;#x2F;maps&amp;#x2F;@50.8634141,-1.452595,3a,75y,269...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>marcus_holmes</author><text>For cyclists, roundabouts aren&amp;#x27;t that much better unless we&amp;#x27;re given separate lanes.&lt;p&gt;Motorists still tend to blow through roundabouts at speed if they can&amp;#x27;t see anything coming. From personal experience you can easily navigate a roundabout at 35+ mph.</text></comment>
<story><title>A Type of Road Junction that Kills Cyclists</title><url>http://singletrackworld.com/2018/01/collision-course-why-this-type-of-road-junction-will-keep-killing-cyclists/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>ajmurmann</author><text>A roundabout is a much better solution than a stop sign. I still believe that the ubiquous stop signs in the US are there due to the oil lobby. Bringing a car to a full stop is incredibly wasteful.</text></item><item><author>temp-dude-87844</author><text>There&amp;#x27;s a lot of math in this article about blind spots and car pillars and whatnot, but a Google Maps Street View appears to show the terrain and brush blocking the view on approach [1][2], making all of this math largely moot. That the drivers in question didn&amp;#x27;t even so much as slow down for this approach is beyond reckless, aside from the other lawbreaking that followed.&lt;p&gt;The &amp;#x27;Give Way&amp;#x27; sign is idiotic, put a Stop sign on the other, flatter road, or make it a 4-way stop. The drivers causing accidents were blowing through the intersection, and shame on the wording of the law that they were able to weasel out of harsher punishment.&lt;p&gt;Altering the roadway geometry, either as proposed, or more drastically with a roundabout, is a brute-force solution on this country road when other societal measures don&amp;#x27;t suffice, but it seems that there&amp;#x27;s plenty of room to enact other changes before you dig up the road.&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.google.com&amp;#x2F;maps&amp;#x2F;@50.8638239,-1.4511249,3a,75y,269.62h,66.23t&amp;#x2F;data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgp5ZPCZzLXnphyQnR_xhww!2e0!7i13312!8i6656&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.google.com&amp;#x2F;maps&amp;#x2F;@50.8638239,-1.4511249,3a,75y,26...&lt;/a&gt; [2] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.google.com&amp;#x2F;maps&amp;#x2F;@50.8634141,-1.452595,3a,75y,269.9h,68.29t&amp;#x2F;data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZFSqQto6dDxulLvfKmzH6g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.google.com&amp;#x2F;maps&amp;#x2F;@50.8634141,-1.452595,3a,75y,269...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>larkeith</author><text>Having lived near a very similar intersection, also with frequent accidents (it has a 2-way stop with heavy 50-70 mph cross-traffic and frequent left turns, depending on the time of day), cost may be a significant portion of the reason; a neighborhood campaign to replace the 2-way stop with a traffic light fell through due to a &amp;gt;$1 million price tag for adding a light to a countryside road, and it&amp;#x27;s doubtful a roundabout would cost less.</text></comment>