<story><title>FISA court rules NSA can resume bulk data collection</title><url>http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/01/us/politics/fisa-surveillance-court-rules-nsa-can-resume-bulk-data-collection.html?_r=0</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>fru2013</author><text>I personally think that creating laws to prevent government surveillance is a pointless endeavor. The NSA has ignored and broken laws in the past, why would we expect them to follow new ones that are passed?&lt;p&gt;The only way to prevent surveillance is with a technical solution (encryption), not a legal solution (more laws).</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>0x5f3759df-i</author><text>I&amp;#x27;m sorry but no.&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;xkcd.com&amp;#x2F;538&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;xkcd.com&amp;#x2F;538&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;You need both. By that same logic do you think the constitution and bill of rights is a pointless endeavor? Our government has violated these rights many times in our history. I could just as easily say that the constitutional amendments passed after the civil war were pointless because there was still institutionalized discrimination and racism for another hundred years.&lt;p&gt;How much did encryption help Lavabit? The court forced them to hand over the encryption keys anyway.&lt;p&gt;We need to change the laws and place proper oversight over the NSA and other intelligence agencies with real penalties for the violation of our rights. Encryption alone is not enough.</text></comment>
<story><title>FISA court rules NSA can resume bulk data collection</title><url>http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/01/us/politics/fisa-surveillance-court-rules-nsa-can-resume-bulk-data-collection.html?_r=0</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>fru2013</author><text>I personally think that creating laws to prevent government surveillance is a pointless endeavor. The NSA has ignored and broken laws in the past, why would we expect them to follow new ones that are passed?&lt;p&gt;The only way to prevent surveillance is with a technical solution (encryption), not a legal solution (more laws).</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>superuser2</author><text>If the NSA&amp;#x27;s domestic spying is illegal, it&amp;#x27;s only on a technicality. Congress explicitly authorizes it, and the Supreme Court explicitly finds that the 4th amendment doesn&amp;#x27;t protect 3rd party records. I&amp;#x27;m sure it&amp;#x27;s violated some specific regulations here and there, but on the whole, spying on everything everyone says and does is &lt;i&gt;not illegal&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;p&gt;Which is insane. It &lt;i&gt;absolutely&lt;/i&gt; should be.</text></comment>