<story><title>Apple Removes Apps from China Store That Help Internet Users Evade Censorship</title><url>https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/29/technology/china-apple-censorhip.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>enraged_camel</author><text>I don&amp;#x27;t get your complaint at all. What would you rather have them do? What would &amp;quot;sticking to their guns&amp;quot; involve?&lt;p&gt;Or would you rather have them not &amp;quot;make so much noise&amp;quot; about social justice?</text></item><item><author>xienze</author><text>&amp;gt; You cannot do business in China without doing what they tell you.&lt;p&gt;Of course, I get that.  But it&amp;#x27;s always companies like Apple that make so much noise about social justice who don&amp;#x27;t stick to their guns when China&amp;#x27;s involved.</text></item><item><author>coldcode</author><text>You cannot do business in China without doing what they tell you. Period. Either you do it or you leave. I work for a big company (you would all know) and we have a large business unit in China, they own 52% of it. They decide what goes in and how customers can use it. We don&amp;#x27;t get to decide anything without government approval. It&amp;#x27;s so easy to claim the West shouldn&amp;#x27;t do what the leadership of China wants in China, but in reality the only alternative is to abandon China to those who will do what they are ordered to. The market is too large to leave. If you don&amp;#x27;t agree to their rules you don&amp;#x27;t play in their sandbox.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>honksillet</author><text>Don&amp;#x27;t do business in china!  It&amp;#x27;s that simple.  If you can&amp;#x27;t do business in  a local without getting blood on your hands, then don&amp;#x27;t do business there.</text></comment>
<story><title>Apple Removes Apps from China Store That Help Internet Users Evade Censorship</title><url>https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/29/technology/china-apple-censorhip.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>enraged_camel</author><text>I don&amp;#x27;t get your complaint at all. What would you rather have them do? What would &amp;quot;sticking to their guns&amp;quot; involve?&lt;p&gt;Or would you rather have them not &amp;quot;make so much noise&amp;quot; about social justice?</text></item><item><author>xienze</author><text>&amp;gt; You cannot do business in China without doing what they tell you.&lt;p&gt;Of course, I get that.  But it&amp;#x27;s always companies like Apple that make so much noise about social justice who don&amp;#x27;t stick to their guns when China&amp;#x27;s involved.</text></item><item><author>coldcode</author><text>You cannot do business in China without doing what they tell you. Period. Either you do it or you leave. I work for a big company (you would all know) and we have a large business unit in China, they own 52% of it. They decide what goes in and how customers can use it. We don&amp;#x27;t get to decide anything without government approval. It&amp;#x27;s so easy to claim the West shouldn&amp;#x27;t do what the leadership of China wants in China, but in reality the only alternative is to abandon China to those who will do what they are ordered to. The market is too large to leave. If you don&amp;#x27;t agree to their rules you don&amp;#x27;t play in their sandbox.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>tziki</author><text>They could always do what Google did and abandon China.</text></comment>