<story><title>Companies excluding Coloradans from remote jobs to avoid sharing salary ranges</title><url>https://www.reddit.com/r/Denver/comments/nh7s8f/but_not_in_colorado/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>hash872</author><text>I think one reason why this is difficult for companies that are hiring software engineers, is that they can hire at multiple levels of experience. They just need good developers! A company that needs, say, a Golang developer, or Scala, or React, might be willing to hire a junior, mid-level or senior developer- they&amp;#x27;ll take whatever experience level they can get. Remember, saying that you &lt;i&gt;don&amp;#x27;t&lt;/i&gt; want to hire someone too experienced is pushing the envelope on age discrimination laws....&lt;p&gt;So if they&amp;#x27;re willing to hire someone with 2-20 years of experience, the salary range may be so broad as to be meaningless. $80-180k doesn&amp;#x27;t really tell anyone anything, and I&amp;#x27;d imagine regulators can&amp;#x27;t do much if that&amp;#x27;s what companies put down as their range. I find that a lot of people imagine an open job &amp;amp; job description to be Very Rigid Categories, whereas in practice companies hiring in high-demand fields have to be flexible to find people. From the employer&amp;#x27;s point of view, that&amp;#x27;s why we find demands for the salary range to be frustrating- lots of companies really don&amp;#x27;t have a specific range in mind!&lt;p&gt;If you mandate that companies use a tight salary band, they&amp;#x27;ll simply say OK, our Software Developer 1 pays $70-90k, Software Developer 2 pays $90-11k, etc. However- we &lt;i&gt;haven&amp;#x27;t decided which level of software developer we&amp;#x27;re going to hire you for&lt;/i&gt;. Tough for regulators to beat that approach too</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>matwood</author><text>&amp;gt; $80-180k doesn&amp;#x27;t really tell anyone anything&lt;p&gt;Not meaningless at all. The company is at least saying they are willing to pay senior level salaries. I think the companies really pushing back are those who want 2-20 years experience with a range of $50-$80k. The other group of companies pushing back are those who let their current employees get too far out of the current range, and can only keep them happy through hoping they don&amp;#x27;t find out.&lt;p&gt;Both are signs of companies I want to avoid.</text></comment>
<story><title>Companies excluding Coloradans from remote jobs to avoid sharing salary ranges</title><url>https://www.reddit.com/r/Denver/comments/nh7s8f/but_not_in_colorado/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>hash872</author><text>I think one reason why this is difficult for companies that are hiring software engineers, is that they can hire at multiple levels of experience. They just need good developers! A company that needs, say, a Golang developer, or Scala, or React, might be willing to hire a junior, mid-level or senior developer- they&amp;#x27;ll take whatever experience level they can get. Remember, saying that you &lt;i&gt;don&amp;#x27;t&lt;/i&gt; want to hire someone too experienced is pushing the envelope on age discrimination laws....&lt;p&gt;So if they&amp;#x27;re willing to hire someone with 2-20 years of experience, the salary range may be so broad as to be meaningless. $80-180k doesn&amp;#x27;t really tell anyone anything, and I&amp;#x27;d imagine regulators can&amp;#x27;t do much if that&amp;#x27;s what companies put down as their range. I find that a lot of people imagine an open job &amp;amp; job description to be Very Rigid Categories, whereas in practice companies hiring in high-demand fields have to be flexible to find people. From the employer&amp;#x27;s point of view, that&amp;#x27;s why we find demands for the salary range to be frustrating- lots of companies really don&amp;#x27;t have a specific range in mind!&lt;p&gt;If you mandate that companies use a tight salary band, they&amp;#x27;ll simply say OK, our Software Developer 1 pays $70-90k, Software Developer 2 pays $90-11k, etc. However- we &lt;i&gt;haven&amp;#x27;t decided which level of software developer we&amp;#x27;re going to hire you for&lt;/i&gt;. Tough for regulators to beat that approach too</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>yarcob</author><text>Here in Austria we have a similar law that requires disclosing minimum salary for a role.&lt;p&gt;Companies usually just post multiple ads if they are hiring for junior or senior roles.&lt;p&gt;I don&amp;#x27;t think a job posting for both junior and senior developers would be appealing to a senior developer.&lt;p&gt;I think the market in Austria is different. If your job ad isn&amp;#x27;t compelling enough, you won&amp;#x27;t get any applications.</text></comment>