<story><title>Apple Terminates Epic Games&apos; Developer Account</title><url>https://www.macrumors.com/2020/08/28/apple-terminates-epic-games-developer-account/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>gameswithgo</author><text>people familiar with Tim Sweeny’s life and ideology know that it is an actual important issues to him that platforms be open.&lt;p&gt;your cynical take is often very true but there are sometimes real human ideals behind things.</text></item><item><author>oneplane</author><text>Not sure why people are surprised or consider it giant news.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; The court recommended that Epic follow the App Store’s guidelines and policies while the case is in progress – the rules they followed over the past ten years until they created the current situation themselves. Epic refused.&lt;p&gt;Well duh, this is a show match court fight of Epic Games not liking the rules and not getting the special treatment they want. No matter what opinion one holds on mobile store rules, they are their rules and so far you have the choice of following them (which is also somewhat iffy) or not being on the store.&lt;p&gt;The whole goal of two post-capitalism enterprises having a fit is for one or more of them to make more money. The whole &amp;quot;it is good for consumers&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;good for developers&amp;quot; is just sprinkles and marketing to appeal to the public. Separate the issues and angles and see it for what it is: just a bunch of legal departments having a fight.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>chipotle_coyote</author><text>Tim Sweeney may be a wonderful man who loves open platforms, apple pie, and kittens, but:&lt;p&gt;- Android is clearly more open than iOS, but Epic is also suing Google. So is this really about sideloading? From that suit, it sure doesn&amp;#x27;t sound like it.&lt;p&gt;- When you &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; sideload Fortnite on your Android device, from what I understand, you can&amp;#x27;t actually sideload Fortnite &lt;i&gt;directly.&lt;/i&gt; Instead you have sideload... the Epic Games Store!&lt;p&gt;It seems awfully clear that Epic&amp;#x27;s real goal here is to force &lt;i&gt;both&lt;/i&gt; Apple and Google to let you install the Epic Games Store from the iOS App Store and the Google Play Store. And while I&amp;#x27;m not much of a gamer, the stories I recall about Epic&amp;#x27;s store in the press... well, we&amp;#x27;ll just say they didn&amp;#x27;t have a &amp;quot;so ideals! much open!&amp;quot; vibe to them.&lt;p&gt;I think there&amp;#x27;s a lot of valid criticisms to be made about both the &amp;quot;app console&amp;quot; model that Apple is steadfastly pushing and the specific ways in which they&amp;#x27;re running the App Store, but I am skeptical that Epic is the general this particular battle needs.</text></comment>
<story><title>Apple Terminates Epic Games&apos; Developer Account</title><url>https://www.macrumors.com/2020/08/28/apple-terminates-epic-games-developer-account/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>gameswithgo</author><text>people familiar with Tim Sweeny’s life and ideology know that it is an actual important issues to him that platforms be open.&lt;p&gt;your cynical take is often very true but there are sometimes real human ideals behind things.</text></item><item><author>oneplane</author><text>Not sure why people are surprised or consider it giant news.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; The court recommended that Epic follow the App Store’s guidelines and policies while the case is in progress – the rules they followed over the past ten years until they created the current situation themselves. Epic refused.&lt;p&gt;Well duh, this is a show match court fight of Epic Games not liking the rules and not getting the special treatment they want. No matter what opinion one holds on mobile store rules, they are their rules and so far you have the choice of following them (which is also somewhat iffy) or not being on the store.&lt;p&gt;The whole goal of two post-capitalism enterprises having a fit is for one or more of them to make more money. The whole &amp;quot;it is good for consumers&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;good for developers&amp;quot; is just sprinkles and marketing to appeal to the public. Separate the issues and angles and see it for what it is: just a bunch of legal departments having a fight.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>m3kw9</author><text>Open and closed is relative, as nothing is completely open unless it’s open source.  Epic game store isn’t completely open. He’s just defining his version open to suit his bottom line.</text></comment>