<story><title>Spiders seem to have REM-like sleep and may even dream</title><url>https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/spiders-seem-to-have-rem-like-sleep-and-may-even-dream/</url></story><parent_chain></parent_chain><comment><author>sweetheart</author><text>Unsurprisingly, we continue to learn that non-human animals are less foreign to us than previously thought.&lt;p&gt;The fact that human beings take a “all animals are savage, primitive machines until proven wrong” POV is genuinely tragic. Was it Descartes that posited the screams of a dog being flayed were merely its programming?&lt;p&gt;Being surprised that animals so different than us possibly dream is just another form of Descartes’ ridiculous thought.</text></comment>
<story><title>Spiders seem to have REM-like sleep and may even dream</title><url>https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/spiders-seem-to-have-rem-like-sleep-and-may-even-dream/</url></story><parent_chain></parent_chain><comment><author>towaway15463</author><text>I think pan-psycism was onto something. Not that atoms have consciousness but I think almost anything that is made up of complex cells or even a single cell has some form of consciousness and we are simply a very scaled version of that. Michael Levin has called attention to the remarkably complex and recognizable behaviour of single celled organisms, I think he’s right that there is a lot more processing going on inside a cell using all of that molecular machinery, much more than we ever dreamed possible.</text></comment>