<story><title>Valve has put Ultimate General: Gettysburg on the Steam store main page</title><url>https://www.facebook.com/UltimateGeneralStrategyGames/photos/a.597633186948895.1073741828.558492594196288/907112076001003/?type=1</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>stevehawk</author><text>Apples and oranges, isn&amp;#x27;t it?&lt;p&gt;Hitler began a campaign for global domination and genocide. The South said &amp;quot;Fuck this, we&amp;#x27;re out&amp;quot; and seceded from the Union, then the North attacked it.&lt;p&gt;The South&amp;#x27;s motivation wasn&amp;#x27;t particularly great, but their actions didn&amp;#x27;t exactly tear apart the world and change it&amp;#x27;s development forever.</text></item><item><author>rayiner</author><text>The south lost, but they didn&amp;#x27;t handle it the way say Germany did WWII (internalizing a deep sense of shame for what they did and purging their culture of anything glorifying that period). They lost, but they didn&amp;#x27;t repent. Hence why we&amp;#x27;re still seeing this conflict today.</text></item><item><author>ZeroGravitas</author><text>So, I&amp;#x27;m not american, but I visited that page, and from the comments here I was expecting to see a confederate flag. Instead I see an old C90 style audio cassette?&lt;p&gt;Also, my grasp of American history isn&amp;#x27;t great, but the south lost this war right? And this particular battle at Gettysburg. And the Gettysburg address is fairly famous.&lt;p&gt;So, if not for the context of this being posted and then other comments here, I would assume this was a total non-event. Am I missing something? What&amp;#x27;s the supposed link between this and recent happenings with Apple store regulations and racist symbolism in the US?&lt;p&gt;edit: answering my own question, this particular cross-platform game got removed from the Apple app store as they were unwilling to edit it to remove the confederate flag from the game believing they shouldn&amp;#x27;t fall under the content ban as it was only used in historical context. It&amp;#x27;s not clear to me if it&amp;#x27;s presence is anything but a coincidence as it seems to be a well regarded game anyway.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>tptacek</author><text>The south didn&amp;#x27;t merely say &amp;quot;fuck this we&amp;#x27;re out&amp;quot; and secede. They raised an army and fought viciously to protect human slavery. The Civil War was a war for slavery. Fighting for slavery is shameful.&lt;p&gt;People &lt;i&gt;today&lt;/i&gt; shouldn&amp;#x27;t be ashamed of what people in 1864 did; that&amp;#x27;s silly. But they shouldn&amp;#x27;t be &lt;i&gt;proud&lt;/i&gt; of it, either.&lt;p&gt;That&amp;#x27;s the point I think &amp;#x27;rayiner is making.</text></comment>
<story><title>Valve has put Ultimate General: Gettysburg on the Steam store main page</title><url>https://www.facebook.com/UltimateGeneralStrategyGames/photos/a.597633186948895.1073741828.558492594196288/907112076001003/?type=1</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>stevehawk</author><text>Apples and oranges, isn&amp;#x27;t it?&lt;p&gt;Hitler began a campaign for global domination and genocide. The South said &amp;quot;Fuck this, we&amp;#x27;re out&amp;quot; and seceded from the Union, then the North attacked it.&lt;p&gt;The South&amp;#x27;s motivation wasn&amp;#x27;t particularly great, but their actions didn&amp;#x27;t exactly tear apart the world and change it&amp;#x27;s development forever.</text></item><item><author>rayiner</author><text>The south lost, but they didn&amp;#x27;t handle it the way say Germany did WWII (internalizing a deep sense of shame for what they did and purging their culture of anything glorifying that period). They lost, but they didn&amp;#x27;t repent. Hence why we&amp;#x27;re still seeing this conflict today.</text></item><item><author>ZeroGravitas</author><text>So, I&amp;#x27;m not american, but I visited that page, and from the comments here I was expecting to see a confederate flag. Instead I see an old C90 style audio cassette?&lt;p&gt;Also, my grasp of American history isn&amp;#x27;t great, but the south lost this war right? And this particular battle at Gettysburg. And the Gettysburg address is fairly famous.&lt;p&gt;So, if not for the context of this being posted and then other comments here, I would assume this was a total non-event. Am I missing something? What&amp;#x27;s the supposed link between this and recent happenings with Apple store regulations and racist symbolism in the US?&lt;p&gt;edit: answering my own question, this particular cross-platform game got removed from the Apple app store as they were unwilling to edit it to remove the confederate flag from the game believing they shouldn&amp;#x27;t fall under the content ban as it was only used in historical context. It&amp;#x27;s not clear to me if it&amp;#x27;s presence is anything but a coincidence as it seems to be a well regarded game anyway.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>po</author><text>I was taught that the southern states were simply for states rights and doing the &amp;quot;fuck this we&amp;#x27;re out&amp;quot; thing but that storyline is highly revisionist. They had dreams of empire as well. If you read what they were saying at the time it&amp;#x27;s scary and enlightening:&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.theatlantic.com&amp;#x2F;politics&amp;#x2F;archive&amp;#x2F;2015&amp;#x2F;06&amp;#x2F;what-this-cruel-war-was-over&amp;#x2F;396482&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.theatlantic.com&amp;#x2F;politics&amp;#x2F;archive&amp;#x2F;2015&amp;#x2F;06&amp;#x2F;what-thi...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;That being said, I think the confederate flag is a terrible symbol to be proud of but the reaction to this game is a huge overcorrection. I have played it and it&amp;#x27;s a great game that gave me a ton of respect and insight into how pivotal that battle was. Leave it to us Americans to focus on learning the wrong lessons and applying simplistic rules to a nuanced situation.</text></comment>