<story><title>Texas Is Too Windy and Sunny for Old Energy Companies to Make Money</title><url>https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-06-20/texas-is-too-windy-and-sunny-for-old-energy-companies-to-make-money</url></story><parent_chain></parent_chain><comment><author>toomuchtodo</author><text>It appears we&amp;#x27;re at the inflection point where even natural gas (in addition to coal) is getting pushed out of the generation mix. Good! About time.&lt;p&gt;This may require paying natural gas generators for their ability to quickly throttle to back renewables, but only as a temporary measure until utility scale batteries fall in cost.</text></comment>
<story><title>Texas Is Too Windy and Sunny for Old Energy Companies to Make Money</title><url>https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-06-20/texas-is-too-windy-and-sunny-for-old-energy-companies-to-make-money</url></story><parent_chain></parent_chain><comment><author>davidf18</author><text>I wonder what the economics would be without the federal tax incentives for wind and solar.  Does anyone know?&lt;p&gt;EDIT: Someone above provided a link that provides the figure I was looking for:&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;Between 2010 and 2016, subsidies for solar were between 10¢ and 88¢ per kWh and subsidies for wind were between 1.3¢ and 5.7¢ per kWh. Subsidies for coal, natural gas and nuclear are all between 0.05¢ and 0.2¢ per kWh over all years.&amp;quot; [1]&lt;p&gt;I wonder how much of a subsidy there is for LED lighting.  A lot of energy goes for incandescent lighting.&lt;p&gt;Also, there should be a lot of subsidies to replace heaters in building burning #6 and #4 fuel oil which is very, very dirty and pollution (NYC where I live banned #6 a few years ago but #4 is allowed to persist until 2030 I think).&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.forbes.com&amp;#x2F;sites&amp;#x2F;jamesconca&amp;#x2F;2017&amp;#x2F;05&amp;#x2F;30&amp;#x2F;why-do-federal-subsidies-make-renewable-energy-so-costly&amp;#x2F;#69da9278128c&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.forbes.com&amp;#x2F;sites&amp;#x2F;jamesconca&amp;#x2F;2017&amp;#x2F;05&amp;#x2F;30&amp;#x2F;why-do-fe...&lt;/a&gt;</text></comment>