<story><title>PeerTube v2</title><url>https://framablog.org/2019/11/12/peertube-has-worked-twice-as-hard-to-free-your-videos-from-youtube/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>mikece</author><text>The peer-to-peer storage and sharing of video files isn&amp;#x27;t the hard part: it&amp;#x27;s the ability to search for and discover content that makes YouTube compelling in my opinion. Are any of these p2p YouTube replacements presenting a compelling way to search&amp;#x2F;discover content in a distributed way?  Or if the search index is centralized, do any of them have a compelling model for staying funded without selling everyone&amp;#x27;s search&amp;#x2F;catalog information to data brokers?</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>jasode</author><text>&lt;i&gt;&amp;gt; Are any of these p2p YouTube replacements presenting a compelling way to search&amp;#x2F;discover content in a distributed way?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;Being &amp;quot;distributed&amp;quot; over p2p&amp;#x2F;federated architecture &lt;i&gt;opposes&lt;/i&gt; the end-user convenience of search&amp;#x2F;discovery&amp;#x2F;ranking&amp;#x2F;recommendations because of &lt;i&gt;speed-of-light&lt;/i&gt; limitations.  I wrote a previous comment about this:  &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&amp;#x2F;item?id=17578332&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&amp;#x2F;item?id=17578332&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Also, the previous last reply by &lt;i&gt;posting2fast&lt;/i&gt; of a partial-centralized server doesn&amp;#x27;t really replace Youtube because his proposed idea creates &lt;i&gt;new problems&lt;/i&gt; of spam videos and untrusted&amp;#x2F;fake videos.  E.g. the central index of metadata says &amp;quot;www.johndoehomeserver.com&amp;quot; has a tutorial video for Algebra but when you actually stream the video from &amp;quot;johndoehomeserver.com&amp;quot;, you get a spam video for Viagra instead of math instruction.  Therefore, users will naturally gravitate toward the centralized servers that have &lt;i&gt;both the metadata and the actual video content.&lt;/i&gt;  This emergent group behavior of preferences would end up recreating another &amp;quot;Youtube&amp;quot;-like clone.&lt;p&gt;p2p architecture and torrents works well for things like pirated Photoshop or ripped Marvel Avengers movies because the users &lt;i&gt;already have the content&amp;#x27;s title _preloaded_ in their brain&lt;/i&gt; and therefore a centralized index for discovery&amp;#x2F;serendipity of unknown content isn&amp;#x27;t necessary.</text></comment>
<story><title>PeerTube v2</title><url>https://framablog.org/2019/11/12/peertube-has-worked-twice-as-hard-to-free-your-videos-from-youtube/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>mikece</author><text>The peer-to-peer storage and sharing of video files isn&amp;#x27;t the hard part: it&amp;#x27;s the ability to search for and discover content that makes YouTube compelling in my opinion. Are any of these p2p YouTube replacements presenting a compelling way to search&amp;#x2F;discover content in a distributed way?  Or if the search index is centralized, do any of them have a compelling model for staying funded without selling everyone&amp;#x27;s search&amp;#x2F;catalog information to data brokers?</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>arkh</author><text>&amp;gt; discover content&lt;p&gt;Discover heavily sponsored content from content farms. As an experiment, even with an old account, start just browsing the content Youtube highlights. You will soon end with a recommendation page full of shit with 500K+ views using the same template.</text></comment>