<story><title>The lab-leak theory: inside the fight to uncover Covid-19’s origins</title><url>https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-lab-leak-theory-inside-the-fight-to-uncover-covid-19s-origins</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>justicezyx</author><text>&amp;gt; Does no one else remember the videos out of China with people laying dead in the streets, falling over as they walked, convulsing behind the steering wheels of cars?&lt;p&gt;Could you provide a link? I never saw such video on YouTube.</text></item><item><author>SV_BubbleTime</author><text>Does no one else remember the videos out of China with people laying dead in the streets, falling over as they walked, convulsing behind the steering wheels of cars? Who paid for all that acting, scenes, and filming and then have it presented as “news”?&lt;p&gt;CCP owns Hong Kong, that was over in 1997, the only surprising thing about HK is that China waited this long to make it better known. Now... &lt;i&gt;The country of&lt;/i&gt; Taiwan on the other hand, it’s going to be a bit more tense there for some time.&lt;p&gt;EDIT: Added links from Jan, most videos have been removed but the articles and screenshots are there. The one I specifically wanted was removed from YouTube and I can’t find it, showed a guy being checked by a PPE marshmallow then nearly immediately going into spasms in his car.&lt;p&gt;EDIT2: To whoever might have been upset at my thoughts on Taiwan; I updated it with some italics for you.&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.dailymail.co.uk&amp;#x2F;news&amp;#x2F;article-7923981&amp;#x2F;Coronavirus-Disturbing-videos-claim-people-collapsing-Wuhan.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.dailymail.co.uk&amp;#x2F;news&amp;#x2F;article-7923981&amp;#x2F;Coronavirus...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.ibtimes.sg&amp;#x2F;china-virusnew-videos-wuhan-show-coronavirus-infected-people-dying-streets-supermarkets-trains-38543&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.ibtimes.sg&amp;#x2F;china-virusnew-videos-wuhan-show-coro...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Here is snopes with an eye roll worthy fact check 
&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.snopes.com&amp;#x2F;fact-check&amp;#x2F;people-collapsing-coronavirus&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.snopes.com&amp;#x2F;fact-check&amp;#x2F;people-collapsing-coronavi...&lt;/a&gt;
“Unproven” ok, thanks for that guys.</text></item><item><author>frickenhamster</author><text>China supported this in a psyop. Remember when they tried repeatedly to push the origin of the virus to Italy?
I&amp;#x27;m ethnically Chinese, so I&amp;#x27;m in contact with a lot of mainlanders. The brainwashing is very effective. Even if most mainlanders know that their state media is bogus, and that Xi is a dictator, they&amp;#x27;ll take it deeply personally when you say anything that threatens the whole China # 1 narrative. All they had to do was hire a few shitposters, feed a few media narratives and the US fights with itself over stuff like anti-china, racists etc, while the CCP takes over Hong Kong.</text></item><item><author>mc32</author><text>The other astonishing things is the sudden about face by the media.  I&amp;#x27;m glad they allowed themselves the liberty of looking at alternative origins.  But... they were SO adamant and complicit in any discussion about alternative theories being shut down under the guise of conspiracy, Trumpism, anti-China, etc.  (These are the same people who have no qualms about attributing anything to Russia even if evidence is thin, so it&amp;#x27;s clear there is hypocrisy involved).&lt;p&gt;Edit:  It looks like Twitter is suspending the account of the Fauci email leaker(s).  So the MoT is still on it.</text></item><item><author>bartart</author><text>This is the most shocking article I have ever read in my life. I&amp;#x27;d ask everyone to please read it because it is incredible.&lt;p&gt;One thing I did not realize is that US researchers who conducted gain of function research tried to downplay and discredit the possibility of the virus originating from the wuhan lab. There was an anti-lab theory Lancet statement signed by scientists, and &amp;quot;Daszak had not only signed but organized the influential Lancet statement, with the intention of concealing his role and creating the impression of scientific unanimity.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;Plus there&amp;#x27;s all the stuff about the miners shoveling bat poop for weeks and then dying of coronaviruses, and the Wuhan institute collecting and doing gain of function research on these similar-to-SARS samples. And then several of the lab&amp;#x27;s gain of function researchers became ill in late 2019. And there&amp;#x27;s the weird renaming of samples to hide the unmatched closeness of the mine samples and covid. This is just the absolute surface of the article. There&amp;#x27;s too much to list here&lt;p&gt;Edit: here&amp;#x27;s another amazement for the list: &amp;quot;Shi Zhengli herself had publicly acknowledged that, until the pandemic, all of her team’s coronavirus research — some involving live SARS-like viruses — had been conducted in less secure BSL-3 and even BSL-2 laboratories.&amp;quot; And the article says &amp;quot;BSL-2 [is] roughly as secure as an American dentist’s office.&amp;quot;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>ordiman85</author><text>These videos [1] were published by a number of tabloids such as The Daily Mail [2] and The Sun [3]. I also remember that a very popular french TV show (Quotidien [4]) published them as well.&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.snopes.com&amp;#x2F;fact-check&amp;#x2F;people-collapsing-coronavirus&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.snopes.com&amp;#x2F;fact-check&amp;#x2F;people-collapsing-coronavi...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;[2] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.dailymail.co.uk&amp;#x2F;news&amp;#x2F;article-7923981&amp;#x2F;Coronavirus-Disturbing-videos-claim-people-collapsing-Wuhan.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.dailymail.co.uk&amp;#x2F;news&amp;#x2F;article-7923981&amp;#x2F;Coronavirus...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;[3] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.thesun.co.uk&amp;#x2F;news&amp;#x2F;10808633&amp;#x2F;coronavirus-wuhan-zombieland&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.thesun.co.uk&amp;#x2F;news&amp;#x2F;10808633&amp;#x2F;coronavirus-wuhan-zom...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;[4] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.liberation.fr&amp;#x2F;checknews&amp;#x2F;2020&amp;#x2F;01&amp;#x2F;31&amp;#x2F;les-videos-diffusees-par-quotidien-sur-wuhan-sont-elles-authentiques_1776386&amp;#x2F;?outputType=amp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.liberation.fr&amp;#x2F;checknews&amp;#x2F;2020&amp;#x2F;01&amp;#x2F;31&amp;#x2F;les-videos-di...&lt;/a&gt;</text></comment>
<story><title>The lab-leak theory: inside the fight to uncover Covid-19’s origins</title><url>https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-lab-leak-theory-inside-the-fight-to-uncover-covid-19s-origins</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>justicezyx</author><text>&amp;gt; Does no one else remember the videos out of China with people laying dead in the streets, falling over as they walked, convulsing behind the steering wheels of cars?&lt;p&gt;Could you provide a link? I never saw such video on YouTube.</text></item><item><author>SV_BubbleTime</author><text>Does no one else remember the videos out of China with people laying dead in the streets, falling over as they walked, convulsing behind the steering wheels of cars? Who paid for all that acting, scenes, and filming and then have it presented as “news”?&lt;p&gt;CCP owns Hong Kong, that was over in 1997, the only surprising thing about HK is that China waited this long to make it better known. Now... &lt;i&gt;The country of&lt;/i&gt; Taiwan on the other hand, it’s going to be a bit more tense there for some time.&lt;p&gt;EDIT: Added links from Jan, most videos have been removed but the articles and screenshots are there. The one I specifically wanted was removed from YouTube and I can’t find it, showed a guy being checked by a PPE marshmallow then nearly immediately going into spasms in his car.&lt;p&gt;EDIT2: To whoever might have been upset at my thoughts on Taiwan; I updated it with some italics for you.&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.dailymail.co.uk&amp;#x2F;news&amp;#x2F;article-7923981&amp;#x2F;Coronavirus-Disturbing-videos-claim-people-collapsing-Wuhan.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.dailymail.co.uk&amp;#x2F;news&amp;#x2F;article-7923981&amp;#x2F;Coronavirus...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.ibtimes.sg&amp;#x2F;china-virusnew-videos-wuhan-show-coronavirus-infected-people-dying-streets-supermarkets-trains-38543&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.ibtimes.sg&amp;#x2F;china-virusnew-videos-wuhan-show-coro...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Here is snopes with an eye roll worthy fact check 
&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.snopes.com&amp;#x2F;fact-check&amp;#x2F;people-collapsing-coronavirus&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.snopes.com&amp;#x2F;fact-check&amp;#x2F;people-collapsing-coronavi...&lt;/a&gt;
“Unproven” ok, thanks for that guys.</text></item><item><author>frickenhamster</author><text>China supported this in a psyop. Remember when they tried repeatedly to push the origin of the virus to Italy?
I&amp;#x27;m ethnically Chinese, so I&amp;#x27;m in contact with a lot of mainlanders. The brainwashing is very effective. Even if most mainlanders know that their state media is bogus, and that Xi is a dictator, they&amp;#x27;ll take it deeply personally when you say anything that threatens the whole China # 1 narrative. All they had to do was hire a few shitposters, feed a few media narratives and the US fights with itself over stuff like anti-china, racists etc, while the CCP takes over Hong Kong.</text></item><item><author>mc32</author><text>The other astonishing things is the sudden about face by the media.  I&amp;#x27;m glad they allowed themselves the liberty of looking at alternative origins.  But... they were SO adamant and complicit in any discussion about alternative theories being shut down under the guise of conspiracy, Trumpism, anti-China, etc.  (These are the same people who have no qualms about attributing anything to Russia even if evidence is thin, so it&amp;#x27;s clear there is hypocrisy involved).&lt;p&gt;Edit:  It looks like Twitter is suspending the account of the Fauci email leaker(s).  So the MoT is still on it.</text></item><item><author>bartart</author><text>This is the most shocking article I have ever read in my life. I&amp;#x27;d ask everyone to please read it because it is incredible.&lt;p&gt;One thing I did not realize is that US researchers who conducted gain of function research tried to downplay and discredit the possibility of the virus originating from the wuhan lab. There was an anti-lab theory Lancet statement signed by scientists, and &amp;quot;Daszak had not only signed but organized the influential Lancet statement, with the intention of concealing his role and creating the impression of scientific unanimity.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;Plus there&amp;#x27;s all the stuff about the miners shoveling bat poop for weeks and then dying of coronaviruses, and the Wuhan institute collecting and doing gain of function research on these similar-to-SARS samples. And then several of the lab&amp;#x27;s gain of function researchers became ill in late 2019. And there&amp;#x27;s the weird renaming of samples to hide the unmatched closeness of the mine samples and covid. This is just the absolute surface of the article. There&amp;#x27;s too much to list here&lt;p&gt;Edit: here&amp;#x27;s another amazement for the list: &amp;quot;Shi Zhengli herself had publicly acknowledged that, until the pandemic, all of her team’s coronavirus research — some involving live SARS-like viruses — had been conducted in less secure BSL-3 and even BSL-2 laboratories.&amp;quot; And the article says &amp;quot;BSL-2 [is] roughly as secure as an American dentist’s office.&amp;quot;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>generalizations</author><text>I can confirm the videos existed. Saw them when they were posted, back in Jan 2020. They were never on youtube, though, that I&amp;#x27;m aware of.</text></comment>