<story><title>Prime Down: Amazon’s sale day turns into fail day</title><url>https://techcrunch.com/2018/07/16/prime-down-amazons-sale-day-turns-into-fail-day/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>rb808</author><text>lol, meanwhile everyone else is trusting aws.</text></item><item><author>camtarn</author><text>Worked for Amazon a few years back.&lt;p&gt;I can&amp;#x27;t see Amazon ever using external cloud hosting for anything except the most trivial of tasks. They&amp;#x27;re absolutely, utterly paranoid about any sort of confidential information, and I think even with encryption the perceived risk would be too high.</text></item><item><author>coryfklein</author><text>Serious question: I&amp;#x27;ve heard that Bezos&amp;#x27;s approach with building out commercial units is to break down each part of the vertical into separate commercially-viable components. Idea being if AWS doesn&amp;#x27;t make sense for 3rd parties to use then it may not be economical to use it internally.&lt;p&gt;Now the question part: would Amazon ever secretly run Amazon.com in a multi-cloud setup, balancing between AWS, GCE, Azure, etc?</text></item><item><author>rpeden</author><text>If only they had access to some kind of scalable cloud hosting service, they could&amp;#x27;ve completely avoided this sort of outage. :)&lt;p&gt;Jokes aside, I admire the work of the team(s) responsible for Amazon&amp;#x27;s web site. I use it so often and encounter glitches so rarely that it really stands out when something &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; go wrong.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>amorousf00p</author><text>That&amp;#x27;s sad truth.
But it&amp;#x27;s convenience like anything else.&lt;p&gt;In my business I can put a hardware site 
online with&lt;p&gt;---6X--- 
2 x intel gold 5115 10 core + 64 GB RAM 
1 nvme @512G + soft raid1 @4TB magnetic
1 10G, 2 1G ether
~= 42K.&lt;p&gt;---2X---
storage or NAS with 60TB @RAID5 + 2x quad core low end xeon + 32 GB RAM = 16k&lt;p&gt;---2X---
1G edge&amp;#x2F;core mngd switches + 10G SAN&amp;#x2F;LAN mngd switches
= 5K&lt;p&gt;---2X---
Endian firewalls + threat appliances
= 5K&lt;p&gt;---1X---
Colo with 2 year lease and 25 amps @208v
1g port speed and committed throughput &amp;gt; 100&amp;#x2F;mbps
= 16K yearly&lt;p&gt;68K one time cost for depreciating assets we maintain, provision and secure + 16K yearly recurring cost.&lt;p&gt;Or I can go AWS and modify my processing model, security expectations and service infra and spend 25K a year + 15K
1x migration cost.</text></comment>
<story><title>Prime Down: Amazon’s sale day turns into fail day</title><url>https://techcrunch.com/2018/07/16/prime-down-amazons-sale-day-turns-into-fail-day/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>rb808</author><text>lol, meanwhile everyone else is trusting aws.</text></item><item><author>camtarn</author><text>Worked for Amazon a few years back.&lt;p&gt;I can&amp;#x27;t see Amazon ever using external cloud hosting for anything except the most trivial of tasks. They&amp;#x27;re absolutely, utterly paranoid about any sort of confidential information, and I think even with encryption the perceived risk would be too high.</text></item><item><author>coryfklein</author><text>Serious question: I&amp;#x27;ve heard that Bezos&amp;#x27;s approach with building out commercial units is to break down each part of the vertical into separate commercially-viable components. Idea being if AWS doesn&amp;#x27;t make sense for 3rd parties to use then it may not be economical to use it internally.&lt;p&gt;Now the question part: would Amazon ever secretly run Amazon.com in a multi-cloud setup, balancing between AWS, GCE, Azure, etc?</text></item><item><author>rpeden</author><text>If only they had access to some kind of scalable cloud hosting service, they could&amp;#x27;ve completely avoided this sort of outage. :)&lt;p&gt;Jokes aside, I admire the work of the team(s) responsible for Amazon&amp;#x27;s web site. I use it so often and encounter glitches so rarely that it really stands out when something &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; go wrong.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>stone-monkey</author><text>I don&amp;#x27;t see their comment as paranoid because cloud providers generally aee incompetent&amp;#x2F;steal your data, but because other cloud providers are direct competitors.&lt;p&gt;Even if they&amp;#x27;re not sifting through your server data, they can possibly try to get a competitive advantage by analyzing things like usage  data as someone above pointed out.</text></comment>