<story><title>Swedish study finds discrimination against men in female-dominated occupations</title><url>https://www.psypost.org/2021/05/swedish-study-suggests-hiring-discrimination-is-primarily-a-problem-for-men-in-female-dominated-occupations-60699</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>dagw</author><text>You can take a leadership role, but you cannot take a leadership position. That has to be given to you.</text></item><item><author>daenz</author><text>I do get your point, but leadership is sometimes unique in that it requires an individual to &lt;i&gt;take&lt;/i&gt; the role.</text></item><item><author>dagw</author><text>Or at least men tend to _be given_ more leadership responsibilities.</text></item><item><author>thendrill</author><text>Are you saying that men tend to take more leadership responsibilities?</text></item><item><author>blakesterz</author><text>“that, at least in Sweden and the occupations we study, hiring discrimination in entry level jobs is primarily a problem for men in female-dominated occupations,”&lt;p&gt;That&amp;#x27;s interesting. I work in a female-dominated occupation (libraries), but, it&amp;#x27;s only female dominated at the lower levels. Historically, at least, directors&amp;#x2F;managers and the upper level folks tended to be men, and those are of course the only jobs that pay very well. So while there&amp;#x27;s waaay more female librarians, there&amp;#x27;s way more male library directors. I think that&amp;#x27;s been slowly changing recently. I don&amp;#x27;t see that they look at libraries in this study, nor do they mention managers.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>hn8788</author><text>I don&amp;#x27;t think I&amp;#x27;ve ever seen a well functioning organization that gives a leadership position to someone who hasn&amp;#x27;t already demonstrated leadership qualities by proactively taking on a leadership role.</text></comment>
<story><title>Swedish study finds discrimination against men in female-dominated occupations</title><url>https://www.psypost.org/2021/05/swedish-study-suggests-hiring-discrimination-is-primarily-a-problem-for-men-in-female-dominated-occupations-60699</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>dagw</author><text>You can take a leadership role, but you cannot take a leadership position. That has to be given to you.</text></item><item><author>daenz</author><text>I do get your point, but leadership is sometimes unique in that it requires an individual to &lt;i&gt;take&lt;/i&gt; the role.</text></item><item><author>dagw</author><text>Or at least men tend to _be given_ more leadership responsibilities.</text></item><item><author>thendrill</author><text>Are you saying that men tend to take more leadership responsibilities?</text></item><item><author>blakesterz</author><text>“that, at least in Sweden and the occupations we study, hiring discrimination in entry level jobs is primarily a problem for men in female-dominated occupations,”&lt;p&gt;That&amp;#x27;s interesting. I work in a female-dominated occupation (libraries), but, it&amp;#x27;s only female dominated at the lower levels. Historically, at least, directors&amp;#x2F;managers and the upper level folks tended to be men, and those are of course the only jobs that pay very well. So while there&amp;#x27;s waaay more female librarians, there&amp;#x27;s way more male library directors. I think that&amp;#x27;s been slowly changing recently. I don&amp;#x27;t see that they look at libraries in this study, nor do they mention managers.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>daenz</author><text>True, but from my experience, taking the role can lead to a position because it demonstrates qualities in a leader.</text></comment>