<story><title>Tent v0.1</title><url>http://tent.io/blog/tent-v01</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>whalesalad</author><text>Decentralizing things like this is never &lt;i&gt;ever&lt;/i&gt; going to work. In terms of running it... my mom/sister/dad/cousin are not going to host this themselves. They might depend on me to do it, but even I&apos;m not going to run a decentralized social network myself. There&apos;s too much liability involved. Not to mention, it&apos;s a pain in the ass.&lt;p&gt;I want to hack and work on my own ideas. That&apos;s why I trust my mail hosting to Google. Sure, they read all my emails and analyze me for marketing. That&apos;s a small price to pay though. I get a rad web client, Apple Mail + iPhone support, and never need to worry about my email server. Anyone remember qmailrocks.org? I used to sit for hours messing with and playing with qMail back in the day. I&apos;ve done it. I&apos;ve hosteed mail servers for friends and family. What a pain in the fucking ass!&lt;p&gt;Same for hosting. I &lt;i&gt;love&lt;/i&gt; configuring infrastructure. I taught myself HAProxy, load balancing, nginx, and clustering years ago when people were still using mod_python. I built a FreeBSD box for fun with old parts an an old SSD the other weekend. I have quite a few linodes running right now. But it&apos;s also a pain in the ass. Because of that, I also enjoy pushing my personal site to Heroku and not worrying about it ever again. git push, boom done.&lt;p&gt;A lot of people take things like Facebook for granted. We all bitch and moan about all kinds of issues it has or features it lacks, but it&apos;s a gargantuous network that virtually everyone that I know or care to talk to is on it. My family and friends back home in LA where I grew up, my new friends in Sweden that I met while abroad recently. It&apos;s got a handy mobile app (that was luckily redeveloped recently) and best of all it&apos;s 100% free.&lt;p&gt;This decentralized stuff is nonsense. There&apos;s too many layers of crap. Even if there was a one-click-deploy social network for people where all they needed to do was rent a server somewhere... someone is still running that server and you need to worry about them snooping your data or whatever else the neckbeards are worried about.&lt;p&gt;Remember Diaspora? Hah.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>mej10</author><text>You say decentralized services never work, and then give an example of the most successful one: email.&lt;p&gt;I don&apos;t know why you are assuming that everyone will have to run their own.&lt;p&gt;Also, it seems very cynical/naive to think that just because such systems aren&apos;t currently working/won&apos;t currently work with given social structures, that this will always be the case. Do you disagree?</text></comment>
<story><title>Tent v0.1</title><url>http://tent.io/blog/tent-v01</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>whalesalad</author><text>Decentralizing things like this is never &lt;i&gt;ever&lt;/i&gt; going to work. In terms of running it... my mom/sister/dad/cousin are not going to host this themselves. They might depend on me to do it, but even I&apos;m not going to run a decentralized social network myself. There&apos;s too much liability involved. Not to mention, it&apos;s a pain in the ass.&lt;p&gt;I want to hack and work on my own ideas. That&apos;s why I trust my mail hosting to Google. Sure, they read all my emails and analyze me for marketing. That&apos;s a small price to pay though. I get a rad web client, Apple Mail + iPhone support, and never need to worry about my email server. Anyone remember qmailrocks.org? I used to sit for hours messing with and playing with qMail back in the day. I&apos;ve done it. I&apos;ve hosteed mail servers for friends and family. What a pain in the fucking ass!&lt;p&gt;Same for hosting. I &lt;i&gt;love&lt;/i&gt; configuring infrastructure. I taught myself HAProxy, load balancing, nginx, and clustering years ago when people were still using mod_python. I built a FreeBSD box for fun with old parts an an old SSD the other weekend. I have quite a few linodes running right now. But it&apos;s also a pain in the ass. Because of that, I also enjoy pushing my personal site to Heroku and not worrying about it ever again. git push, boom done.&lt;p&gt;A lot of people take things like Facebook for granted. We all bitch and moan about all kinds of issues it has or features it lacks, but it&apos;s a gargantuous network that virtually everyone that I know or care to talk to is on it. My family and friends back home in LA where I grew up, my new friends in Sweden that I met while abroad recently. It&apos;s got a handy mobile app (that was luckily redeveloped recently) and best of all it&apos;s 100% free.&lt;p&gt;This decentralized stuff is nonsense. There&apos;s too many layers of crap. Even if there was a one-click-deploy social network for people where all they needed to do was rent a server somewhere... someone is still running that server and you need to worry about them snooping your data or whatever else the neckbeards are worried about.&lt;p&gt;Remember Diaspora? Hah.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>innernette</author><text>&amp;#62; That&apos;s why I trust my mail hosting to Google.&lt;p&gt;Imagine if GMail only allowed you to send Google Mail(TM) to other @gmail.com addresses. Email&apos;s decentralization allows us to ignore the fact that other people may be reading on an iphone, yahoo mail, or emacs.&lt;p&gt;Decentralization isn&apos;t (only) for neckbeards. It&apos;s about giving users freedom to socialize with those who choose a different client. Isn&apos;t it bizarre that I use LinkedIn, you use Facebook, therefore we can&apos;t be friends?&lt;p&gt;First we build the decentralized social network, then I will decide if I want to social network with you via google, yahoo, or emacs.</text></comment>