<story><title>Google Docs will “warn you away from inappropriate words”</title><url>https://twitter.com/pmarca/status/1516463416885399554</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>uoaei</author><text></text></item><item><author>colpabar</author><text>&amp;gt;I don&amp;#x27;t want to see the Americanisation on our country cultures.&lt;p&gt;This is something that I just cannot reconcile with the notion that all these measures are meant to make things more inclusive. All I see are groups of rich and powerful people telling people &amp;quot;below them&amp;quot; how to behave, and makings tons of money doing it. D&amp;amp;I is a grift.</text></item><item><author>codesternews</author><text>This is pretty scary. Inclusivity fine but what else can they push and censor.&lt;p&gt;I am from different country and most of the words are gender neutral which in US pretty big deal like (landlord, guys - which is gender neutral in our country).&lt;p&gt;Its like pushing your culture on different countries. I don&amp;#x27;t want to see the Americanisation on our country cultures.&lt;p&gt;There is no issues of inclusivity in our country. Google is pushing their agenda on different groups, cultures and countries,&lt;p&gt;This is how it starts.&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;twitter.com&amp;#x2F;thecitywanderer&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;1516176983549530122&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;twitter.com&amp;#x2F;thecitywanderer&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;15161769835495301...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>2bitencryption</author><text>I think there&amp;#x27;s a valid concern with this; a concern which is not necessarily distilled down to &amp;quot;big brother&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;corporate overlords&amp;quot;.&lt;p&gt;Google is so large that any stance they take, no matter how minuscule, has immense influence.&lt;p&gt;Case in point, from this article:
&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.nytimes.com&amp;#x2F;2018&amp;#x2F;08&amp;#x2F;02&amp;#x2F;technology&amp;#x2F;google-maps-neighborhood-names.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.nytimes.com&amp;#x2F;2018&amp;#x2F;08&amp;#x2F;02&amp;#x2F;technology&amp;#x2F;google-maps-ne...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; For decades, the district south of downtown and alongside San Francisco Bay here was known as either Rincon Hill, South Beach or South of Market. This spring, it was suddenly rebranded on Google Maps to a name few had heard: the East Cut.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; The peculiar moniker immediately spread digitally, from hotel sites to dating apps to Uber, which all use Google’s map data. The name soon spilled over into the physical world, too. Real-estate listings beckoned prospective tenants to the East Cut. And news organizations referred to the vicinity by that term.&lt;p&gt;My point is, it might seem like a small, inconspicuous change.  But at Google-scale, this actually has an impact on the real world, and personally I don&amp;#x27;t feel confident with Google deciding what words are the correct words.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>alexb_</author><text>DEI is a great system as long as you assume that everyone participates, everyone is completely free of biases, and people actually want it to happen.&lt;p&gt;So you know, it doesn&amp;#x27;t fucking work.</text></comment>
<story><title>Google Docs will “warn you away from inappropriate words”</title><url>https://twitter.com/pmarca/status/1516463416885399554</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>uoaei</author><text></text></item><item><author>colpabar</author><text>&amp;gt;I don&amp;#x27;t want to see the Americanisation on our country cultures.&lt;p&gt;This is something that I just cannot reconcile with the notion that all these measures are meant to make things more inclusive. All I see are groups of rich and powerful people telling people &amp;quot;below them&amp;quot; how to behave, and makings tons of money doing it. D&amp;amp;I is a grift.</text></item><item><author>codesternews</author><text>This is pretty scary. Inclusivity fine but what else can they push and censor.&lt;p&gt;I am from different country and most of the words are gender neutral which in US pretty big deal like (landlord, guys - which is gender neutral in our country).&lt;p&gt;Its like pushing your culture on different countries. I don&amp;#x27;t want to see the Americanisation on our country cultures.&lt;p&gt;There is no issues of inclusivity in our country. Google is pushing their agenda on different groups, cultures and countries,&lt;p&gt;This is how it starts.&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;twitter.com&amp;#x2F;thecitywanderer&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;1516176983549530122&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;twitter.com&amp;#x2F;thecitywanderer&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;15161769835495301...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>2bitencryption</author><text>I think there&amp;#x27;s a valid concern with this; a concern which is not necessarily distilled down to &amp;quot;big brother&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;corporate overlords&amp;quot;.&lt;p&gt;Google is so large that any stance they take, no matter how minuscule, has immense influence.&lt;p&gt;Case in point, from this article:
&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.nytimes.com&amp;#x2F;2018&amp;#x2F;08&amp;#x2F;02&amp;#x2F;technology&amp;#x2F;google-maps-neighborhood-names.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.nytimes.com&amp;#x2F;2018&amp;#x2F;08&amp;#x2F;02&amp;#x2F;technology&amp;#x2F;google-maps-ne...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; For decades, the district south of downtown and alongside San Francisco Bay here was known as either Rincon Hill, South Beach or South of Market. This spring, it was suddenly rebranded on Google Maps to a name few had heard: the East Cut.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; The peculiar moniker immediately spread digitally, from hotel sites to dating apps to Uber, which all use Google’s map data. The name soon spilled over into the physical world, too. Real-estate listings beckoned prospective tenants to the East Cut. And news organizations referred to the vicinity by that term.&lt;p&gt;My point is, it might seem like a small, inconspicuous change.  But at Google-scale, this actually has an impact on the real world, and personally I don&amp;#x27;t feel confident with Google deciding what words are the correct words.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>jollybean</author><text>It&amp;#x27;s a big assumption to suppose that the &amp;#x27;failing up&amp;#x27; guy was only able to do so &amp;#x27;because he was white&amp;#x27;.&lt;p&gt;&amp;#x27;Buddies with the execs&amp;#x27; - that&amp;#x27;s easy to believe. But &amp;#x27;because white&amp;#x27; ... much harder to convince me there.&lt;p&gt;The amount of easy and assumptive bigotry going on around these things makes me dismissive of all of it unless there&amp;#x27;s evidence otherwise.&lt;p&gt;Paradoxically, you may have highlighted one of the issues with DEI policies, in that people may be encouraged to perceive their lack of progress up the ladder as somehow &amp;#x27;racially oriented&amp;#x27;.&lt;p&gt;This is pernicious, because it&amp;#x27;s a pyramid and it gets narrow quickly.&lt;p&gt;Everyone has a beef, everyone has a &amp;#x27;reason&amp;#x27; for why they aren&amp;#x27;t at some stage higher than they are, it&amp;#x27;s the perennial social issue of middle management.&lt;p&gt;So that makes it hard to sort out the legitimate cases where DEI would be relevant, to just the standard &amp;#x27;beefs&amp;#x27; that lie just below surface level in every office environment.&lt;p&gt;At about the Director level and above, it&amp;#x27;s very political and &amp;#x27;talent&amp;#x27; is not only just a small part of the equation, but it also means something else at that level.&lt;p&gt;DEI is a really complicated subject, and I suggest 1990&amp;#x27;s progressives, with a focus on &amp;#x27;treating people equally&amp;#x27; or &amp;#x27;equal opportunity&amp;#x27; (ideals which are dismissed these days as actually being systematically racist) ... should be the rule.&lt;p&gt;A dude &amp;#x27;failing up&amp;#x27; if that&amp;#x27;s the case, is just unfair all around and that&amp;#x27;s it.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s 10x more complicated if you step into another cultural context i.e. outside of the US.&lt;p&gt;To the point where I think Google should actively trying to avoid having too much of a posture on anything really. Aside from &amp;#x27;genocide&amp;#x27; etc.</text></comment>