<story><title>Vivaldi – A new browser for our friends</title><url>https://vivaldi.com</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>shadowmint</author><text>Its not a new javascript engine.&lt;p&gt;Its not a new rendering engine.&lt;p&gt;So basically its just a different UI skin on chrome. That&amp;#x27;s cute, but its not a new browser.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s the same browser with a slightly new UI.&lt;p&gt;Count me as skeptical and unexcited.&lt;p&gt;I am similarly unexcited by the &amp;#x27;it&amp;#x27;s browser&amp;#x27; webkits views in android and ios, for exactly the same reason; they&amp;#x27;re dime a dozen, and lack any compelling reason to switch or use.&lt;p&gt;(Servo, by comparison, &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; a new rendering engine, with new features that make it extremely interesting)</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>lmkg</author><text>I&amp;#x27;ll voice a dissenting opinion.&lt;p&gt;Doing HTML and JavaScript are commodities. Given the existence of standards, there&amp;#x27;s not a lot of room for innovative behavior. Any developments (faster, new HTML standards, etc) won&amp;#x27;t impact the market unless they&amp;#x27;re in one of the major browsers. Competition is good, but there&amp;#x27;s only room in the market for a handful of rendering engines. Maybe 3-5, tops.&lt;p&gt;Conversely, UI and human interaction with the browser is a place where there&amp;#x27;s room for an unbounded number of players. This is where the competition can actually be happening. And it&amp;#x27;s where I think the competition &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; be happening.&lt;p&gt;The idea of a browser as something that just renders HTML and executes JavaScript is kinda lame. I use Opera because I think it&amp;#x27;s also the browser&amp;#x27;s responsibility to include tab organization and search functionality and mouse gestures and flipping CSS in and out and synchronization. (And I like my mail integrated, but that&amp;#x27;s a personal thing.) And I want it to Just Work, instead of having to manage a half-dozen extensions.&lt;p&gt;I am guardedly optimistic about Vivaldi, because it&amp;#x27;s what I actually out of a browser. (Specifically, an updated version of Opera 12, which Opera 15+ is not.)</text></comment>
<story><title>Vivaldi – A new browser for our friends</title><url>https://vivaldi.com</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>shadowmint</author><text>Its not a new javascript engine.&lt;p&gt;Its not a new rendering engine.&lt;p&gt;So basically its just a different UI skin on chrome. That&amp;#x27;s cute, but its not a new browser.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s the same browser with a slightly new UI.&lt;p&gt;Count me as skeptical and unexcited.&lt;p&gt;I am similarly unexcited by the &amp;#x27;it&amp;#x27;s browser&amp;#x27; webkits views in android and ios, for exactly the same reason; they&amp;#x27;re dime a dozen, and lack any compelling reason to switch or use.&lt;p&gt;(Servo, by comparison, &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; a new rendering engine, with new features that make it extremely interesting)</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>sp0rk</author><text>I suppose you think every video game made using the Unreal Engine is basically the same game too, right?  I can understand the disappointment that they&amp;#x27;re not creating a new JS or rendering engine, especially from a community like HN that is so technical, but it&amp;#x27;s absurd to state that this thing is not a new browser simply because it uses these existing technologies.  How much end-user functionality really comes from a JS or rendering engine when it&amp;#x27;s adhering to the same standards that every other competing engine is?</text></comment>