<story><title>Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-dominated occupations</title><url>https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0245513</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>antiverse</author><text>&amp;gt;- people in interview panels openly saying &amp;quot;but he&amp;#x27;s a white man&amp;quot; &amp;#x2F; &amp;quot;do we want to hire more white men&amp;quot; etc.&lt;p&gt;Not surprised to hear people saying this, but am surprised that nobody brings that up as a plainly racist&amp;#x2F;sexist thing when it is said. Bystander effect?</text></item><item><author>throwaway0wha8h</author><text>Throwaway.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;m happy to have more women in tech and hope it occurs or continues. However, virtually everyone recruiting in tech has observed some toxic diversity initiatives, I would venture. Some examples I have seen personally or one degree removed from me.&lt;p&gt;- pressure on HMs to hire more women despite 95% of applicants being male&lt;p&gt;- people in interview panels openly saying &amp;quot;but he&amp;#x27;s a white 
man&amp;quot; &amp;#x2F; &amp;quot;do we want to hire more white men&amp;quot; etc.&lt;p&gt;- people championing all women teams as a win for diversity&lt;p&gt;- women getting a salary premium to help companies boost DEI &amp;quot;representation&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;I think eventually this will be shown for what it is, but it will take a long time. Personally every tech founder I know thinks it&amp;#x27;s bullshit but won&amp;#x27;t say it in public.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>throwaway0wha8h</author><text>I have observed some people pushing back, but it&amp;#x27;s rare. I know there is a fear of dissent to the DEI dogma. Particularly if you&amp;#x27;re a white man. If you&amp;#x27;re a minority you have more leeway to dissent and it will be fine you&amp;#x27;ll just be ignored or perhaps have someone read the pro-DEI talking points to you. After Damore firing most people just think it&amp;#x27;s not worth it I would guess, why risk it? And if you&amp;#x27;re a founder why risk a campaign against your company when you need to raise funding etc.</text></comment>
<story><title>Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-dominated occupations</title><url>https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0245513</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>antiverse</author><text>&amp;gt;- people in interview panels openly saying &amp;quot;but he&amp;#x27;s a white man&amp;quot; &amp;#x2F; &amp;quot;do we want to hire more white men&amp;quot; etc.&lt;p&gt;Not surprised to hear people saying this, but am surprised that nobody brings that up as a plainly racist&amp;#x2F;sexist thing when it is said. Bystander effect?</text></item><item><author>throwaway0wha8h</author><text>Throwaway.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;m happy to have more women in tech and hope it occurs or continues. However, virtually everyone recruiting in tech has observed some toxic diversity initiatives, I would venture. Some examples I have seen personally or one degree removed from me.&lt;p&gt;- pressure on HMs to hire more women despite 95% of applicants being male&lt;p&gt;- people in interview panels openly saying &amp;quot;but he&amp;#x27;s a white 
man&amp;quot; &amp;#x2F; &amp;quot;do we want to hire more white men&amp;quot; etc.&lt;p&gt;- people championing all women teams as a win for diversity&lt;p&gt;- women getting a salary premium to help companies boost DEI &amp;quot;representation&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;I think eventually this will be shown for what it is, but it will take a long time. Personally every tech founder I know thinks it&amp;#x27;s bullshit but won&amp;#x27;t say it in public.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>colpabar</author><text>The only person who would gain anything by saying that would be a white man, who would just be told that his opinion isn’t important because he’s a white man.</text></comment>