<story><title>How a U.S. citizen was mistakenly targeted for deportation. He’s not alone</title><url>http://beta.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ice-citizen-arrest-20171129-story.html#nws=mcnewsletter</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>rdtsc</author><text>Hopefully he gets some money out of this. Can&amp;#x27;t imagine being grabbed, held in a cell somewhere, and then told I had to be deported all of the sudden.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; Carrillo said his son brought a passport and a certificate of citizenship the government issued Carrillo but that ICE officers refused to review the documents.&lt;p&gt;Well that&amp;#x27;s just baffling. What exactly would they consider proof of citizenship if a passport and the certificate doesn&amp;#x27;t do it. What would it take? What if he didn&amp;#x27;t have a passport. Many people I know don&amp;#x27;t have one or have an expired one. Certainly not a requirement to have one.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; The refusal by ICE officials to listen to Carrillo’s claims of citizenship appeared to violate an agency policy that requires officers to thoroughly and quickly investigate such claims&lt;p&gt;It also violates decency and common sense as well, and veers into plain old brutality.&lt;p&gt;Rant: One thing I don&amp;#x27;t understand is why don&amp;#x27;t people have national ID cards in US. Most countries I know of have them, here it is a complicated mess of drivers license, SSN, birth certificates, each states makes their own ID card thing for those that don&amp;#x27;t drive. Every single time elections come around there is talk of ID cards and supposed voter fraud for months afterwards, with everyone pointing fingers and insinuating things. Then there are cases like these. People&amp;#x27;s identities are stolen based on the stupid SSN number and a name, most of those are already on the black market somewhere already.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>aero142</author><text>The culture of the US has 2 parts that really don&amp;#x27;t like national IDs. A strong distrust of the federal government and a large number of evangelical christians. The natural distrust means that people generally don&amp;#x27;t want to give anything more to the federal government in general so it would take enormous political capital to add this. Second, the evangelical christians take end times prophesies from Revalation in the Bible very seriously. They believe that a national ID card is the &amp;quot;mark of the beast&amp;quot; that will be how the world is enslaved. It&amp;#x27;s a bit weird to outsiders, but it&amp;#x27;s a surprisingly common belief.&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.thefamilyinternational.org&amp;#x2F;en&amp;#x2F;viewpoints&amp;#x2F;future&amp;#x2F;65&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.thefamilyinternational.org&amp;#x2F;en&amp;#x2F;viewpoints&amp;#x2F;future&amp;#x2F;...&lt;/a&gt;</text></comment>
<story><title>How a U.S. citizen was mistakenly targeted for deportation. He’s not alone</title><url>http://beta.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ice-citizen-arrest-20171129-story.html#nws=mcnewsletter</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>rdtsc</author><text>Hopefully he gets some money out of this. Can&amp;#x27;t imagine being grabbed, held in a cell somewhere, and then told I had to be deported all of the sudden.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; Carrillo said his son brought a passport and a certificate of citizenship the government issued Carrillo but that ICE officers refused to review the documents.&lt;p&gt;Well that&amp;#x27;s just baffling. What exactly would they consider proof of citizenship if a passport and the certificate doesn&amp;#x27;t do it. What would it take? What if he didn&amp;#x27;t have a passport. Many people I know don&amp;#x27;t have one or have an expired one. Certainly not a requirement to have one.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; The refusal by ICE officials to listen to Carrillo’s claims of citizenship appeared to violate an agency policy that requires officers to thoroughly and quickly investigate such claims&lt;p&gt;It also violates decency and common sense as well, and veers into plain old brutality.&lt;p&gt;Rant: One thing I don&amp;#x27;t understand is why don&amp;#x27;t people have national ID cards in US. Most countries I know of have them, here it is a complicated mess of drivers license, SSN, birth certificates, each states makes their own ID card thing for those that don&amp;#x27;t drive. Every single time elections come around there is talk of ID cards and supposed voter fraud for months afterwards, with everyone pointing fingers and insinuating things. Then there are cases like these. People&amp;#x27;s identities are stolen based on the stupid SSN number and a name, most of those are already on the black market somewhere already.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>losvedir</author><text>&lt;i&gt;Hopefully he gets some money out of this. Can&amp;#x27;t imagine being grabbed, held in a cell somewhere, and then told I had to be deported all of the sudden.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;From the article:&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; On Wednesday, attorneys for Carrillo announced a settlement deal in which the government will pay him $20,000 to resolve a civil lawsuit he filed over the arrest.</text></comment>