<story><title>Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger</title><url>http://torrentfreak.com/microsoft-censors-pirate-bay-links-in-windows-live-messenger-120324/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>javert</author><text>I&apos;m disappointed to see the destruction of property rights (intellectual or otherwise) being lauded on HN.&lt;p&gt;The RIAA and MPAA make deals with artists to distribute their music, and you want to interfere and just steal it instead. It&apos;s dishonest, it&apos;s juvenile, and it&apos;s eroding at the basis of society (equality under the law, property rights, basic respect and goodwill towards others, etc.).</text></item><item><author>jacquesm</author><text>We&apos;ll be seeing a lot more of this in the next couple of years. The RIAA and the MPAA will get more and more desperate and will call in more favors with industry buddies as they get closer to the recognition that they are losing the war in spite of winning a couple of battles.&lt;p&gt;In the Netherlands &apos;Brein&apos;, one of the rights organizations has done more to promote the pirate bay than the pirate bay ever could have hoped to achieve by themselves.&lt;p&gt;This is the biggest case of disruption that I&apos;ve witnessed in my life so far and even though the outcome seems all but certain it remains to be seen how much damage the wounded bear will be able to inflict before finally keeling over.&lt;p&gt;edit:&lt;p&gt;This prompted me to post a thing I wrote a while ago but didn&apos;t publish: &lt;a href=&quot;http://jacquesmattheij.com/The+death+throes+of+an+industry&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://jacquesmattheij.com/The+death+throes+of+an+industry&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>muuh-gnu</author><text>&amp;#62; destruction of property rights (intellectual or otherwise)&lt;p&gt;These are not the same. Most people do not support the concept of &quot;intellectual property&quot;. But for a property to exist in practice, you need majority support, otherwise your property is either just imaginary or you need a totalitarian police state to enforce it.&lt;p&gt;&amp;#62; the basis of society&lt;p&gt;The concept of imaginary property is neither supported by a majority of population not in any other way democratically backed. Nobody on this planet has ever voted on it. From its early beginnings, it has been enforced from the top down, decided in shady deals behind closed doors between corrupt officials and industry stake holders and then enforced against the majority.&lt;p&gt;&amp;#62; steal it&lt;p&gt;To steal it, you must first reckognize that it is somebody else&apos;s property first. But what if you dont consider it property in the first place?</text></comment>
<story><title>Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger</title><url>http://torrentfreak.com/microsoft-censors-pirate-bay-links-in-windows-live-messenger-120324/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>javert</author><text>I&apos;m disappointed to see the destruction of property rights (intellectual or otherwise) being lauded on HN.&lt;p&gt;The RIAA and MPAA make deals with artists to distribute their music, and you want to interfere and just steal it instead. It&apos;s dishonest, it&apos;s juvenile, and it&apos;s eroding at the basis of society (equality under the law, property rights, basic respect and goodwill towards others, etc.).</text></item><item><author>jacquesm</author><text>We&apos;ll be seeing a lot more of this in the next couple of years. The RIAA and the MPAA will get more and more desperate and will call in more favors with industry buddies as they get closer to the recognition that they are losing the war in spite of winning a couple of battles.&lt;p&gt;In the Netherlands &apos;Brein&apos;, one of the rights organizations has done more to promote the pirate bay than the pirate bay ever could have hoped to achieve by themselves.&lt;p&gt;This is the biggest case of disruption that I&apos;ve witnessed in my life so far and even though the outcome seems all but certain it remains to be seen how much damage the wounded bear will be able to inflict before finally keeling over.&lt;p&gt;edit:&lt;p&gt;This prompted me to post a thing I wrote a while ago but didn&apos;t publish: &lt;a href=&quot;http://jacquesmattheij.com/The+death+throes+of+an+industry&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://jacquesmattheij.com/The+death+throes+of+an+industry&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>natesm</author><text>Unlimited copyright terms are eroding the basis of society (the Constitution). 5 to 10 years would be reasonable.</text></comment>