<story><title>Daring Fireball: &quot;Facebook login&quot;</title><url>http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/02/11/facebook-login</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>thaumaturgy</author><text>My current primary business is IT consulting, which really means that I spend most of my time working face-to-face with people that have trouble with computers and technology in general.&lt;p&gt;So, this kind of behavior isn&apos;t news to me. In fact, I&apos;ve tried often to convince the tech-savvy that &lt;i&gt;most&lt;/i&gt; users have problems like this, and I&apos;ve never been all that successful. The RWW &quot;Facebook login&quot; is great from this standpoint, because suddenly a bunch of web programmers have gotten this glimpse of the world outside their bubble, and have collectively gone, &quot;Oh.&quot;&lt;p&gt;Now let&apos;s talk about the &lt;i&gt;kind&lt;/i&gt; of people these people are. I&apos;ve noticed a number of comments about their illiteracy, or implying that they must not be paying attention. While there might be a kernel of truth to that, I&apos;d like you to know that most of these are good people, and many of them have accomplished more in their lives than many of the denigrating commenters ever will.&lt;p&gt;For example, one of my clients is an aesthetician that runs a relatively high-tech place. Her angle comes from surviving cancer, and advocating healthier products for people looking for that kind of stuff. She runs a busy brick-and-mortar shop, bootstrapped it from the ground up, works obscene amounts of hours, has one kid in college abroad in Japan, and another kid finishing high school soon. She&apos;s a hell of a woman.&lt;p&gt;But, she&apos;s totally lost on Facebook. Someone told her she should do it, so she is, and we&apos;re helping her. She can&apos;t manage her email list, and has trouble doing mail merges, so we help her with that too. When a computer puts an error up on the screen, she doesn&apos;t read it, analyze it, research it, figure it out; she simply concludes that the computer has had a problem, and she needs help with it.&lt;p&gt;She&apos;s certainly not dumb, but you wouldn&apos;t know it by her computer skills.&lt;p&gt;My weakness is cooking. I&apos;m a reasonably competent programmer, literate, and I can fix cars, etc., but I&apos;m a laughably terrible cook.&lt;p&gt;More than likely, everyone here has at least one subject which is so alien, so foreign, that they just won&apos;t &quot;get&quot; it, no matter how simple it becomes.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>Groxx</author><text>&lt;i&gt;...most of these are good people, and many of them have accomplished more in their lives than many of the denigrating commenters ever will.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;While true, I&apos;ll still be prejudiced against people that leave comments like (#14):&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;wtf is this bullshttttttttttt all about. can i get n plzzzzzzzzz&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;and I&apos;ll actively argue that many who spell &lt;i&gt;and act&lt;/i&gt; this poorly in public are probably at least as much of a detriment to society as they are a boon.  Most of those smart-but-not-tech-savvy people can at least communicate properly.&lt;p&gt;edit: the comment prejudice applies to bashers too.  Poor behavior is poor behavior.</text></comment>
<story><title>Daring Fireball: &quot;Facebook login&quot;</title><url>http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/02/11/facebook-login</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>thaumaturgy</author><text>My current primary business is IT consulting, which really means that I spend most of my time working face-to-face with people that have trouble with computers and technology in general.&lt;p&gt;So, this kind of behavior isn&apos;t news to me. In fact, I&apos;ve tried often to convince the tech-savvy that &lt;i&gt;most&lt;/i&gt; users have problems like this, and I&apos;ve never been all that successful. The RWW &quot;Facebook login&quot; is great from this standpoint, because suddenly a bunch of web programmers have gotten this glimpse of the world outside their bubble, and have collectively gone, &quot;Oh.&quot;&lt;p&gt;Now let&apos;s talk about the &lt;i&gt;kind&lt;/i&gt; of people these people are. I&apos;ve noticed a number of comments about their illiteracy, or implying that they must not be paying attention. While there might be a kernel of truth to that, I&apos;d like you to know that most of these are good people, and many of them have accomplished more in their lives than many of the denigrating commenters ever will.&lt;p&gt;For example, one of my clients is an aesthetician that runs a relatively high-tech place. Her angle comes from surviving cancer, and advocating healthier products for people looking for that kind of stuff. She runs a busy brick-and-mortar shop, bootstrapped it from the ground up, works obscene amounts of hours, has one kid in college abroad in Japan, and another kid finishing high school soon. She&apos;s a hell of a woman.&lt;p&gt;But, she&apos;s totally lost on Facebook. Someone told her she should do it, so she is, and we&apos;re helping her. She can&apos;t manage her email list, and has trouble doing mail merges, so we help her with that too. When a computer puts an error up on the screen, she doesn&apos;t read it, analyze it, research it, figure it out; she simply concludes that the computer has had a problem, and she needs help with it.&lt;p&gt;She&apos;s certainly not dumb, but you wouldn&apos;t know it by her computer skills.&lt;p&gt;My weakness is cooking. I&apos;m a reasonably competent programmer, literate, and I can fix cars, etc., but I&apos;m a laughably terrible cook.&lt;p&gt;More than likely, everyone here has at least one subject which is so alien, so foreign, that they just won&apos;t &quot;get&quot; it, no matter how simple it becomes.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>fragmede</author><text>I&apos;m a terrible cook, but if I was baking a cake, and used laundry detergent instead of flour (I mean, they&apos;re both white and powdery...) I&apos;d absolutely deserve any comments about my (lack-of) intelligence.&lt;p&gt;The &quot;News results for facebook login&quot; section on Google is very clearly marked, with, umm, well theres a picture, and a bit of indentation? In this case, I must lay some blame on Google for putting laundry detergent in paper sack with an off-blue stripe rather similar to one flour comes in.&lt;p&gt;Google could improve the situation by having the news results be in a more clearly marked section, perhaps with a different background color and a solid outline.</text></comment>