<story><title>EU countries already hitting some of their sustainable energy targets for 2030</title><url>https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0297856</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>temp9864</author><text>If you put enough solar into an electricity grid you will eventually have coal generators shutting down because the variable pricing will drive them out of business. Watch the wholesale price dashboard for Australia for a while and compare it to local weather if you don&amp;#x27;t believe me [1]. The other effect will be that 24 hour power becomes prodigiously expensive or not available, which is why the Australian government is funding coal generators to the tune of 1.1 billion this year [2]. Even they are not stupid enough to think an industrialised society can manage without it.&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;aemo.com.au&amp;#x2F;Energy-systems&amp;#x2F;Electricity&amp;#x2F;National-Electricity-Market-NEM&amp;#x2F;Data-NEM&amp;#x2F;Data-Dashboard-NEM&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;aemo.com.au&amp;#x2F;Energy-systems&amp;#x2F;Electricity&amp;#x2F;National-Elec...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;[2] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;australiainstitute.org.au&amp;#x2F;report&amp;#x2F;fossil-fuel-subsidies-in-australia-2023&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;australiainstitute.org.au&amp;#x2F;report&amp;#x2F;fossil-fuel-subsidi...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>toomuchtodo</author><text>As the cost of renewables get close to zero (but never reaching that), the predominant cost will be batteries and transmission. How quickly this occurs is a function of battery cost decline curve and manufacturing capacity ramp.&lt;p&gt;Coal is already dead based on current trajectories, the body just hasn’t hit the floor yet.&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.pv-magazine.com&amp;#x2F;2023&amp;#x2F;11&amp;#x2F;22&amp;#x2F;former-coal-plant-big-batteries-win-australian-storage-tender&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.pv-magazine.com&amp;#x2F;2023&amp;#x2F;11&amp;#x2F;22&amp;#x2F;former-coal-plant-big...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&amp;#x2F;news&amp;#x2F;articles&amp;#x2F;2023-03-07&amp;#x2F;end-of-coal-power-in-australia-means-a-boom-for-battery-makers-like-tesla&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&amp;#x2F;news&amp;#x2F;articles&amp;#x2F;2023-03-07&amp;#x2F;end-of-co...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&amp;#x2F;news&amp;#x2F;articles&amp;#x2F;2022-05-26&amp;#x2F;how-australia-can-transform-grids-away-from-coal-power&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&amp;#x2F;news&amp;#x2F;articles&amp;#x2F;2022-05-26&amp;#x2F;how-austr...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.theguardian.com&amp;#x2F;australia-news&amp;#x2F;2023&amp;#x2F;dec&amp;#x2F;20&amp;#x2F;agl-building-battery-grid-liddell-coal-plant&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.theguardian.com&amp;#x2F;australia-news&amp;#x2F;2023&amp;#x2F;dec&amp;#x2F;20&amp;#x2F;agl-b...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.energy-storage.news&amp;#x2F;australias-national-cefc-invests-au100-million-in-coal-replacement-nsw-super-battery&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.energy-storage.news&amp;#x2F;australias-national-cefc-inv...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.forbes.com&amp;#x2F;sites&amp;#x2F;ianpalmer&amp;#x2F;2023&amp;#x2F;07&amp;#x2F;18&amp;#x2F;the-us-is-watching-battery-deployment-and-success-down-under&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.forbes.com&amp;#x2F;sites&amp;#x2F;ianpalmer&amp;#x2F;2023&amp;#x2F;07&amp;#x2F;18&amp;#x2F;the-us-is-...&lt;/a&gt;</text></comment>
<story><title>EU countries already hitting some of their sustainable energy targets for 2030</title><url>https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0297856</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>temp9864</author><text>If you put enough solar into an electricity grid you will eventually have coal generators shutting down because the variable pricing will drive them out of business. Watch the wholesale price dashboard for Australia for a while and compare it to local weather if you don&amp;#x27;t believe me [1]. The other effect will be that 24 hour power becomes prodigiously expensive or not available, which is why the Australian government is funding coal generators to the tune of 1.1 billion this year [2]. Even they are not stupid enough to think an industrialised society can manage without it.&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;aemo.com.au&amp;#x2F;Energy-systems&amp;#x2F;Electricity&amp;#x2F;National-Electricity-Market-NEM&amp;#x2F;Data-NEM&amp;#x2F;Data-Dashboard-NEM&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;aemo.com.au&amp;#x2F;Energy-systems&amp;#x2F;Electricity&amp;#x2F;National-Elec...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;[2] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;australiainstitute.org.au&amp;#x2F;report&amp;#x2F;fossil-fuel-subsidies-in-australia-2023&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;australiainstitute.org.au&amp;#x2F;report&amp;#x2F;fossil-fuel-subsidi...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>input_sh</author><text>Or... hear me out... nuclear.&lt;p&gt;Like France, often cited as the the world leader, with around 70% of its generated electricity coming from nuclear. Or Belgium, with around 50%, or Bulgaria around 30%, or Czechia around 40%, Finland around 35%, Hungary around 50%, Slovakia around 60%, Slovenia around 40%, Sweden around 30%, Switzerland around 35%...&lt;p&gt;Compared to Australia&amp;#x27;s one nuclear power, which isn&amp;#x27;t even being used to generate power, or the US&amp;#x27; 18%, or UK&amp;#x27;s 14%, or Canada&amp;#x27;s 13%.</text></comment>