<story><title>Elon Musk reopening Tesla factory despite Alameda County order</title><url>https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1259945593805221891</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>TeMPOraL</author><text>&amp;gt; &lt;i&gt;However, it&amp;#x27;s more putting the milk in the pantry type stuff&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;That&amp;#x27;s an Americanism, right? Your milk isn&amp;#x27;t shelf-stable?</text></item><item><author>Balgair</author><text>Between the twitter rants, the poverty vow, the new child, the name of the new child, and now this, well.. All in the last 10 days or so too. The last few years have not been all that kind either.&lt;p&gt;I mean, new fathers, even after the other six babies, still do pretty goofy things. However, it&amp;#x27;s more putting the milk in the pantry type stuff, or mixing up coffee grounds and water.&lt;p&gt;Not daring public officials to arrest you during a pandemic and all but demanding employees to work during said pandemic.&lt;p&gt;I feel for the guy, things are tough now. I hope he finds the peace that he seems to need.</text></item><item><author>ardy42</author><text>&amp;gt; You must also take into account the history of intentional civil disobedience where the government has over reached and the population simply reaches the point where it refuses to comply.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; Prohibition is obviously a prime example of this, but if you consider various laws that once existed or are currently on the books but no longer enforced (think laws pertaining to racial segregation, sexuality, drug use, and such) you realize that...&lt;p&gt;The thing is: public safety laws &lt;i&gt;aren&amp;#x27;t&lt;/i&gt; like racial segregation at all.  If they are, I look forward to stuff like &amp;quot;civil disobedience&amp;quot; against child labor laws, etc.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; ...being a law abiding citizen does not mean you are no longer allowed to think for yourself.&lt;p&gt;That&amp;#x27;s true, but it also means being accountable and not acting without regards to others.  Musk is acting like a petulant brat here, and I hope the Alameda County sheriff talks some sense into him.</text></item><item><author>mgolawala</author><text>You must also take into account the history of intentional civil disobedience where the government has over reached and the population simply reaches the point where it refuses to comply.&lt;p&gt;Prohibition is obviously a prime example of this, but if you consider various laws that once existed or are currently on the books but no longer enforced (think laws pertaining to racial segregation, sexuality, drug use, and such) you realize that being a law abiding citizen does not mean you are no longer allowed to think for yourself. Read up on &amp;quot;Jury Nullification&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Jury Equity&amp;quot;.</text></item><item><author>geofft</author><text>&amp;gt; &lt;i&gt;This is locking down for the sake of locking down, not an evidence-first safety driven approach. That is something I cannot support.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;Support&amp;quot; is a bit of an overloaded word. I do agree with you that I do not support a government policy that isn&amp;#x27;t evidence-driven. But I do support the &lt;i&gt;ability&lt;/i&gt; of the government to set policy without convincing every one of its constituents of the validity of its evidence.&lt;p&gt;As a simple analogy, perhaps the speed limits for highways in my state are capped at 60 mph, but there&amp;#x27;s evidence that the roads can safely accommodate drivers at 70 mph, they&amp;#x27;re well-maintained, they are built to appropriate safety standards, etc. I wouldn&amp;#x27;t support the government keeping the speed limit at 60 mph based on flimsy evidence. But I also wouldn&amp;#x27;t object to the government enforcing the speed limit as it is - because the end result of saying that every driver has the right to make their own private judgment of whether the speed limit laws are validly reasoned is that there is no speed limit anymore.</text></item><item><author>dannyw</author><text>The reasons for not restarting production seem to be dogmatic and not evidence driven. Tesla is running the factory at a 30-40% capacity, and the Fremont factory has 5.3 million square feet of manufacturing and office space. Tesla claims their plan will ensure 6 ft of distance for every employee, and PPE and masks are provided and mandatory. Even the HVAC is changed to optimise for fresh air turnover and filters are changed on a regular basis.&lt;p&gt;Tesla&amp;#x27;s full list is available here: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.tesla.com&amp;#x2F;sites&amp;#x2F;default&amp;#x2F;files&amp;#x2F;blog_attachments&amp;#x2F;Tesla-Return-to-Work-Playbook.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.tesla.com&amp;#x2F;sites&amp;#x2F;default&amp;#x2F;files&amp;#x2F;blog_attachments&amp;#x2F;T...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;A Tesla factory is a much safer place to be than a Home Depot or a Costco, and many other businesses open in California today. We aren&amp;#x27;t talking about sporting events here: we&amp;#x27;re talking about some of the lowest risk and unavoidable interactions.&lt;p&gt;Carmakers are also defined as a COVID19 critical industry, and every other carmaker manufacturing in the United States is either open, or capable of open today. This puts Tesla at a serious disadvantage.&lt;p&gt;This is locking down for the sake of locking down, not an evidence-first safety driven approach. That is something I cannot support.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>dragonwriter</author><text>&amp;gt; That&amp;#x27;s an Americanism, right? Your milk isn&amp;#x27;t shelf-stable?&lt;p&gt;No milk, I&amp;#x27;m fairly certain, is shelf-stable once opened; shelf-stable (until opened) milk is widely available but not as popular as milk that isn&amp;#x27;t in the US, and the “milk in the pantry” reference is implicitly in the context of having just poured from it, so it has been opened. So, while it probably doesn&amp;#x27;t reference shelf-stable milk, it wouldn&amp;#x27;t be any different if it did.</text></comment>
<story><title>Elon Musk reopening Tesla factory despite Alameda County order</title><url>https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1259945593805221891</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>TeMPOraL</author><text>&amp;gt; &lt;i&gt;However, it&amp;#x27;s more putting the milk in the pantry type stuff&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;That&amp;#x27;s an Americanism, right? Your milk isn&amp;#x27;t shelf-stable?</text></item><item><author>Balgair</author><text>Between the twitter rants, the poverty vow, the new child, the name of the new child, and now this, well.. All in the last 10 days or so too. The last few years have not been all that kind either.&lt;p&gt;I mean, new fathers, even after the other six babies, still do pretty goofy things. However, it&amp;#x27;s more putting the milk in the pantry type stuff, or mixing up coffee grounds and water.&lt;p&gt;Not daring public officials to arrest you during a pandemic and all but demanding employees to work during said pandemic.&lt;p&gt;I feel for the guy, things are tough now. I hope he finds the peace that he seems to need.</text></item><item><author>ardy42</author><text>&amp;gt; You must also take into account the history of intentional civil disobedience where the government has over reached and the population simply reaches the point where it refuses to comply.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; Prohibition is obviously a prime example of this, but if you consider various laws that once existed or are currently on the books but no longer enforced (think laws pertaining to racial segregation, sexuality, drug use, and such) you realize that...&lt;p&gt;The thing is: public safety laws &lt;i&gt;aren&amp;#x27;t&lt;/i&gt; like racial segregation at all.  If they are, I look forward to stuff like &amp;quot;civil disobedience&amp;quot; against child labor laws, etc.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; ...being a law abiding citizen does not mean you are no longer allowed to think for yourself.&lt;p&gt;That&amp;#x27;s true, but it also means being accountable and not acting without regards to others.  Musk is acting like a petulant brat here, and I hope the Alameda County sheriff talks some sense into him.</text></item><item><author>mgolawala</author><text>You must also take into account the history of intentional civil disobedience where the government has over reached and the population simply reaches the point where it refuses to comply.&lt;p&gt;Prohibition is obviously a prime example of this, but if you consider various laws that once existed or are currently on the books but no longer enforced (think laws pertaining to racial segregation, sexuality, drug use, and such) you realize that being a law abiding citizen does not mean you are no longer allowed to think for yourself. Read up on &amp;quot;Jury Nullification&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Jury Equity&amp;quot;.</text></item><item><author>geofft</author><text>&amp;gt; &lt;i&gt;This is locking down for the sake of locking down, not an evidence-first safety driven approach. That is something I cannot support.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;Support&amp;quot; is a bit of an overloaded word. I do agree with you that I do not support a government policy that isn&amp;#x27;t evidence-driven. But I do support the &lt;i&gt;ability&lt;/i&gt; of the government to set policy without convincing every one of its constituents of the validity of its evidence.&lt;p&gt;As a simple analogy, perhaps the speed limits for highways in my state are capped at 60 mph, but there&amp;#x27;s evidence that the roads can safely accommodate drivers at 70 mph, they&amp;#x27;re well-maintained, they are built to appropriate safety standards, etc. I wouldn&amp;#x27;t support the government keeping the speed limit at 60 mph based on flimsy evidence. But I also wouldn&amp;#x27;t object to the government enforcing the speed limit as it is - because the end result of saying that every driver has the right to make their own private judgment of whether the speed limit laws are validly reasoned is that there is no speed limit anymore.</text></item><item><author>dannyw</author><text>The reasons for not restarting production seem to be dogmatic and not evidence driven. Tesla is running the factory at a 30-40% capacity, and the Fremont factory has 5.3 million square feet of manufacturing and office space. Tesla claims their plan will ensure 6 ft of distance for every employee, and PPE and masks are provided and mandatory. Even the HVAC is changed to optimise for fresh air turnover and filters are changed on a regular basis.&lt;p&gt;Tesla&amp;#x27;s full list is available here: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.tesla.com&amp;#x2F;sites&amp;#x2F;default&amp;#x2F;files&amp;#x2F;blog_attachments&amp;#x2F;Tesla-Return-to-Work-Playbook.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.tesla.com&amp;#x2F;sites&amp;#x2F;default&amp;#x2F;files&amp;#x2F;blog_attachments&amp;#x2F;T...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;A Tesla factory is a much safer place to be than a Home Depot or a Costco, and many other businesses open in California today. We aren&amp;#x27;t talking about sporting events here: we&amp;#x27;re talking about some of the lowest risk and unavoidable interactions.&lt;p&gt;Carmakers are also defined as a COVID19 critical industry, and every other carmaker manufacturing in the United States is either open, or capable of open today. This puts Tesla at a serious disadvantage.&lt;p&gt;This is locking down for the sake of locking down, not an evidence-first safety driven approach. That is something I cannot support.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>hombre_fatal</author><text>It&amp;#x27;s not an Americanism to keep your milk in the fridge after you open it. Which country are you from where you&amp;#x27;d keep opened milk in the room temp pantry (which is what is being discussed here)?&lt;p&gt;These attempts at &amp;quot;Americans do the darnedest things XD&amp;quot; comments always seem so forced to me.</text></comment>