<story><title>Automakers are starting to admit that drivers hate touchscreens</title><url>https://slate.com/business/2023/04/cars-buttons-touchscreens-vw-porsche-nissan-hyundai.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>andrewmcwatters</author><text>This isn&amp;#x27;t how tactile buttons in modern cars work. You&amp;#x27;re doing the same thing as pushing keys on a keyboard. The software can still be slow.&lt;p&gt;Turn the physical volume dial on a car with a slow Apple CarPlay interface and tell me how that works out for you.&lt;p&gt;Oh, it&amp;#x27;s too loud? But it takes 2 seconds for the software to respond due to lag and now you&amp;#x27;re fiddling with the volume button trying to not make it worse?&lt;p&gt;A physical button didn&amp;#x27;t fix that.</text></item><item><author>mtrpcic</author><text>The benefit of buttons isn&amp;#x27;t in the response time, it&amp;#x27;s in the tactile feedback that makes it so you don&amp;#x27;t need 16ms response time. I heard it click, I felt it click, it clicked. If the thing I wanted to happen doesn&amp;#x27;t, it&amp;#x27;s because it&amp;#x27;s broken and not because I can&amp;#x27;t tell if I clicked the right spot on my iPad. Not having to take your eyes off the road in these cases is the benefit of buttons, and no improvement to response time in touch screens will fully solve that.</text></item><item><author>andrewmcwatters</author><text>I wouldn&amp;#x27;t mind touchscreens as long as these imbecile developers would strictly limit UI response time to under 16ms.&lt;p&gt;In no world where you&amp;#x27;re barrelling 3,000+ lbs of mass at tens of miles an hour should you be distracted by some moronic app or subsystem failing to respond in time because it was written by under-experienced software &amp;quot;engineers.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;Any software running as a part of a motor vehicle should be federally regulated to not fail response time tests, and if they do, they should be deemed unlawful to be equipped by either the manufacturer or the owner.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s absolutely ridiculous that this still happens today, and it doesn&amp;#x27;t have to.&lt;p&gt;So what? You&amp;#x27;ve got physical buttons? Big whoop. That physical button that takes 500ms to respond is still as dangerous. You&amp;#x27;ve just removed one problem.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>fasthands9</author><text>It does fix that because I dont have to look at it while I wait the 2 seconds. On a touch screen my finger will be slipping as the car is moving and have to constantly divert my eyes as I wait for the lag - even if its the same lag as a physical button.</text></comment>
<story><title>Automakers are starting to admit that drivers hate touchscreens</title><url>https://slate.com/business/2023/04/cars-buttons-touchscreens-vw-porsche-nissan-hyundai.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>andrewmcwatters</author><text>This isn&amp;#x27;t how tactile buttons in modern cars work. You&amp;#x27;re doing the same thing as pushing keys on a keyboard. The software can still be slow.&lt;p&gt;Turn the physical volume dial on a car with a slow Apple CarPlay interface and tell me how that works out for you.&lt;p&gt;Oh, it&amp;#x27;s too loud? But it takes 2 seconds for the software to respond due to lag and now you&amp;#x27;re fiddling with the volume button trying to not make it worse?&lt;p&gt;A physical button didn&amp;#x27;t fix that.</text></item><item><author>mtrpcic</author><text>The benefit of buttons isn&amp;#x27;t in the response time, it&amp;#x27;s in the tactile feedback that makes it so you don&amp;#x27;t need 16ms response time. I heard it click, I felt it click, it clicked. If the thing I wanted to happen doesn&amp;#x27;t, it&amp;#x27;s because it&amp;#x27;s broken and not because I can&amp;#x27;t tell if I clicked the right spot on my iPad. Not having to take your eyes off the road in these cases is the benefit of buttons, and no improvement to response time in touch screens will fully solve that.</text></item><item><author>andrewmcwatters</author><text>I wouldn&amp;#x27;t mind touchscreens as long as these imbecile developers would strictly limit UI response time to under 16ms.&lt;p&gt;In no world where you&amp;#x27;re barrelling 3,000+ lbs of mass at tens of miles an hour should you be distracted by some moronic app or subsystem failing to respond in time because it was written by under-experienced software &amp;quot;engineers.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;Any software running as a part of a motor vehicle should be federally regulated to not fail response time tests, and if they do, they should be deemed unlawful to be equipped by either the manufacturer or the owner.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s absolutely ridiculous that this still happens today, and it doesn&amp;#x27;t have to.&lt;p&gt;So what? You&amp;#x27;ve got physical buttons? Big whoop. That physical button that takes 500ms to respond is still as dangerous. You&amp;#x27;ve just removed one problem.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>nmcfarl</author><text>My car has this problem, only sometimes it takes a lot longer than two seconds.&lt;p&gt;The car when started always turns on the radio at the last volume the radio was on at, regardless of whether it was on when the car was turned off.&lt;p&gt;More than once, I have turned it on, and it was playing at full  volume the Sirius FM ads, and would not lower the volume or turn off ( via the other physical buttons) for at least half a minute. I&amp;#x27;ve done some damage to the volume button after that, and I have taken to just getting out of the car until the stereo responds.</text></comment>