<story><title>Tesla sued in wrongful death lawsuit that alleges Autopilot caused crash</title><url>https://techcrunch.com/2019/05/01/tesla-sued-in-wrongful-death-lawsuit-that-alleges-autopilot-caused-crash/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>rolleiflex</author><text>I&amp;#x27;m paraphrasing from the last time this was posted, but Tesla&amp;#x27;s words need to be read &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; carefully. What they say is:&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;&amp;gt; the driver’s hands were not detected on the wheel for six seconds prior to the collision&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;What Tesla does &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; say is that the six seconds the driver&amp;#x27;s hands were not on the wheel was immediately preceding the crash. It is &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; six seconds before the crash.&lt;p&gt;Admittedly this is a very dark reading, however, this reading is supported by their further claims that the driver &amp;#x27;had multiple warnings&amp;#x27;, which was in fact fifteen minutes ago, and for an unrelated event.&lt;p&gt;This is the kind of sketchiness that makes people wary of Tesla. Funny thing is, they make cool tech, they don&amp;#x27;t need to do any of this, nor things like discounting the &amp;#x27;gas savings&amp;#x27; from the sticker price. I genuinely don&amp;#x27;t understand where their apparent need for pushing the definition of truth to its breaking point is coming from.&lt;p&gt;Had they not openly misrepresented their autopilots&amp;#x27; capabilities, they wouldn&amp;#x27;t have lie in this bed of their own making now.</text></item><item><author>sytelus</author><text>Tesla&amp;#x27;s blog post: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.tesla.com&amp;#x2F;en_GB&amp;#x2F;blog&amp;#x2F;update-last-week’s-accident&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.tesla.com&amp;#x2F;en_GB&amp;#x2F;blog&amp;#x2F;update-last-week’s-accident&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;the driver’s hands were not detected on the wheel for six seconds prior to the collision. The driver had about five seconds and 150 meters of unobstructed view of the concrete divider&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;Looks like sensors failed to see concrete divider in nice sunny weather and car slammed in to it at 70mph. Driver was obviously over confident on system&amp;#x27;s ability to self-drive, probably busy looking at phone and ignored warnings to put his hands on steering.&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;In the US, there is one automotive fatality every 86 million miles across all vehicles from all manufacturers. For Tesla, there is one fatality, including known pedestrian fatalities, every 320 million miles in vehicles equipped with Autopilot hardware. If you are driving a Tesla equipped with Autopilot hardware, you are 3.7 times less likely to be involved in a fatal accident.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;These stats don&amp;#x27;t help when you read the guy had two kids who will now grow up fatherless for rest of their lives. Humans killing humans is very different thing than machines killing humans even if the fatality rates are 10X lower. Companies need to aggressively enforce, both hands on steering until self-driving is really really really good.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>FartyMcFarter</author><text>They are still misreprenting their self-driving capabilities in their marketing materials:&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.tesla.com&amp;#x2F;en_GB&amp;#x2F;autopilot?redirect=no&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.tesla.com&amp;#x2F;en_GB&amp;#x2F;autopilot?redirect=no&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;In the beginning of this video there&amp;#x27;s the caption &amp;quot;The person in the driver&amp;#x27;s seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;If the lawyers in this lawsuit are any good they will have a field day with this.</text></comment>
<story><title>Tesla sued in wrongful death lawsuit that alleges Autopilot caused crash</title><url>https://techcrunch.com/2019/05/01/tesla-sued-in-wrongful-death-lawsuit-that-alleges-autopilot-caused-crash/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>rolleiflex</author><text>I&amp;#x27;m paraphrasing from the last time this was posted, but Tesla&amp;#x27;s words need to be read &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; carefully. What they say is:&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;&amp;gt; the driver’s hands were not detected on the wheel for six seconds prior to the collision&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;What Tesla does &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; say is that the six seconds the driver&amp;#x27;s hands were not on the wheel was immediately preceding the crash. It is &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; six seconds before the crash.&lt;p&gt;Admittedly this is a very dark reading, however, this reading is supported by their further claims that the driver &amp;#x27;had multiple warnings&amp;#x27;, which was in fact fifteen minutes ago, and for an unrelated event.&lt;p&gt;This is the kind of sketchiness that makes people wary of Tesla. Funny thing is, they make cool tech, they don&amp;#x27;t need to do any of this, nor things like discounting the &amp;#x27;gas savings&amp;#x27; from the sticker price. I genuinely don&amp;#x27;t understand where their apparent need for pushing the definition of truth to its breaking point is coming from.&lt;p&gt;Had they not openly misrepresented their autopilots&amp;#x27; capabilities, they wouldn&amp;#x27;t have lie in this bed of their own making now.</text></item><item><author>sytelus</author><text>Tesla&amp;#x27;s blog post: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.tesla.com&amp;#x2F;en_GB&amp;#x2F;blog&amp;#x2F;update-last-week’s-accident&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.tesla.com&amp;#x2F;en_GB&amp;#x2F;blog&amp;#x2F;update-last-week’s-accident&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;the driver’s hands were not detected on the wheel for six seconds prior to the collision. The driver had about five seconds and 150 meters of unobstructed view of the concrete divider&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;Looks like sensors failed to see concrete divider in nice sunny weather and car slammed in to it at 70mph. Driver was obviously over confident on system&amp;#x27;s ability to self-drive, probably busy looking at phone and ignored warnings to put his hands on steering.&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;In the US, there is one automotive fatality every 86 million miles across all vehicles from all manufacturers. For Tesla, there is one fatality, including known pedestrian fatalities, every 320 million miles in vehicles equipped with Autopilot hardware. If you are driving a Tesla equipped with Autopilot hardware, you are 3.7 times less likely to be involved in a fatal accident.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;These stats don&amp;#x27;t help when you read the guy had two kids who will now grow up fatherless for rest of their lives. Humans killing humans is very different thing than machines killing humans even if the fatality rates are 10X lower. Companies need to aggressively enforce, both hands on steering until self-driving is really really really good.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>pteraspidomorph</author><text>That&amp;#x27;s not what I read in this article.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; Huang’s hands were detected on the steering wheel only 34 seconds during the last minute before impact.&lt;p&gt;If during the last minute before impact the hands were missing for any 26 seconds, then it makes no sense to say that they were missing for any 6 seconds. The 6 seconds can only be consecutive before the impact, right?</text></comment>