<story><title>Why I still won’t review for or publish with Elsevier</title><url>http://www.talyarkoni.org/blog/2016/12/12/why-i-still-wont-review-for-or-publish-with-elsevier-and-think-you-shouldnt-either/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>nacc</author><text>I always wonder why some disciplines are more open than others [0]. As someone in biology: the state of publication is very sad. We have to pay thousands to _submit_ a manuscript, and then:&lt;p&gt;- get rejected right away, or&lt;p&gt;- the manuscript gets distributed to fellow scientists (who reviews for free). The reviews get collected and manuscript rejected, or&lt;p&gt;- we get a chance to address the reviewer&amp;#x27;s concern, resubmit and gets rejected, or&lt;p&gt;- The editor does some proof-reading and publish the paper behide a paywall. I lose all the rights and I may need to ask the journal for permission to use part of it in my thesis, otherwise I risk plagirizing my own writing.&lt;p&gt;Sometimes when I read preprints in computer science&amp;#x2F;physics&amp;#x2F;bioinformatics etc. I feel in those disciplines researchers are a big happy family, and we biologists are locked in a prisoner&amp;#x27;s dilemma because we can&amp;#x27;t communicate. Then we fight each other and the publication companies are selling tickets for others to watch.&lt;p&gt;[0]: &lt;a href=&quot;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.idea.org&amp;#x2F;blog&amp;#x2F;2011&amp;#x2F;04&amp;#x2F;04&amp;#x2F;fees-and-other-business-models-fund-open-access-journals&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.idea.org&amp;#x2F;blog&amp;#x2F;2011&amp;#x2F;04&amp;#x2F;04&amp;#x2F;fees-and-other-business-...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>08-15</author><text>Don&amp;#x27;t review for free.&lt;p&gt;Seriously.  Every time you review for a journal and don&amp;#x27;t ask for a reasonable (say, $150&amp;#x2F;h) fee, you are enabling their predatory practices.  Stop doing it.&lt;p&gt;Come to think about it, why not copy their pricing scheme?  Sure, I&amp;#x27;ll review for this particular journal for $3000&amp;#x2F;h---or I agree to review for any of your journals, for a flat rate of $3000&amp;#x2F;week, even if there is nothing interesting to review...&lt;p&gt;But really, at the very least, stop doing it for free.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; otherwise I risk plagirizing my own writing.&lt;p&gt;No, you don&amp;#x27;t, because that&amp;#x27;s impossible.  You might risk infringing the journal&amp;#x27;s copyright---but the journal only has a copyright on the final article, not on the words you submitted.  Maybe that&amp;#x27;s what differentiates Biology from Physics: you guys thinks self-plagiarization (sp?) is a thing.</text></comment>
<story><title>Why I still won’t review for or publish with Elsevier</title><url>http://www.talyarkoni.org/blog/2016/12/12/why-i-still-wont-review-for-or-publish-with-elsevier-and-think-you-shouldnt-either/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>nacc</author><text>I always wonder why some disciplines are more open than others [0]. As someone in biology: the state of publication is very sad. We have to pay thousands to _submit_ a manuscript, and then:&lt;p&gt;- get rejected right away, or&lt;p&gt;- the manuscript gets distributed to fellow scientists (who reviews for free). The reviews get collected and manuscript rejected, or&lt;p&gt;- we get a chance to address the reviewer&amp;#x27;s concern, resubmit and gets rejected, or&lt;p&gt;- The editor does some proof-reading and publish the paper behide a paywall. I lose all the rights and I may need to ask the journal for permission to use part of it in my thesis, otherwise I risk plagirizing my own writing.&lt;p&gt;Sometimes when I read preprints in computer science&amp;#x2F;physics&amp;#x2F;bioinformatics etc. I feel in those disciplines researchers are a big happy family, and we biologists are locked in a prisoner&amp;#x27;s dilemma because we can&amp;#x27;t communicate. Then we fight each other and the publication companies are selling tickets for others to watch.&lt;p&gt;[0]: &lt;a href=&quot;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.idea.org&amp;#x2F;blog&amp;#x2F;2011&amp;#x2F;04&amp;#x2F;04&amp;#x2F;fees-and-other-business-models-fund-open-access-journals&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.idea.org&amp;#x2F;blog&amp;#x2F;2011&amp;#x2F;04&amp;#x2F;04&amp;#x2F;fees-and-other-business-...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>VodkaHaze</author><text>Holy crap this is depressing. I&amp;#x27;m happy that the state of the art in economics, currently, is to post working papers and preprints online.&lt;p&gt;This has the side effects of papers being cited before being published, and turning out to be bad, but is certainly a huge net positive overall.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s rare to not be able to find a free pdf preprint of an economics paper written in the last 6-7 years, which is great.</text></comment>