<story><title>I Built a Shed (2020)</title><url>https://eduardosasso.co/blog/how-i-built-a-wfh-shed/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>hinkley</author><text>I was going to post about code violations but I’ll just tuck it under yours here so we don’t flood the top level (although one could argue that this really deserves it).&lt;p&gt;I had to stop reading r&amp;#x2F;diy because half the stuff in there made me angry. Especially people building lofts to store heavy stuff without knowing anything about construction.&lt;p&gt;You can’t overlap rooflines like this. That’s how they allow people to build small outbuildings but make large projects have to get permits. If the roofs “touch” then you’re using a loophole to make an illegal addition to your house instead of a shed.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; The way I did it was to run both wires inside a 3&amp;#x2F;4 inch PVC conduit using 14&amp;#x2F;2 electrical wiring + 100ft cat6 ethernet cable.&lt;p&gt;You are going to get somebody killed. I didn’t see you dig a trench, which means you have a single &lt;i&gt;plastic&lt;/i&gt; conduit carrying power and data and exposed to the air. It’s supposed to be grounded metal buried conduit to create a faraday cage that can’t be electrified by nearby lightning strikes or hit by a tree or debris in a wind storm. And deep enough the next owner doesn’t kill themselves planting a hydrangea.&lt;p&gt;I have half a mind to doxx you to your city planning office.</text></item><item><author>ohazi</author><text>Not that anything about this shed is built to code, but this takes the cake:&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; PRO TIP Use screws for everything; if you mess up, remove the screws and redo it; with nails, it’s a lot harder to do that.&lt;p&gt;You absolutely should not do this for framing, and most building codes specify the type and size of nails that you &lt;i&gt;must&lt;/i&gt; use when fastening load-bearing structural components.&lt;p&gt;Screws are convenient, sure, but they are necessarily much harder than nails and are prone to embrittlement and cracking, while nails are soft and pliable. You &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; get structural screws, but they&amp;#x27;re uncommon, expensive, and I&amp;#x27;d wager they weren&amp;#x27;t used here (they&amp;#x27;re &lt;i&gt;much&lt;/i&gt; beefier than a similarly rated framing nail).</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>tharkun__</author><text>I like your parent&amp;#x27;s explanation of &lt;i&gt;why&lt;/i&gt; screws are not allowed by code in some places and also saying that yes, screws actually &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; be used, if you use the right ones, even if they aren&amp;#x27;t allowed by code in some places.&lt;p&gt;I really like that because just mentioning code doesn&amp;#x27;t do any good. Just because code says something doesn&amp;#x27;t mean that it makes sense. There&amp;#x27;s tons of omissions in codes or stuff that is unnecessarily restrictive or way not enough to be safe.&lt;p&gt;Screws are the perfect example. If code forbids screws but you are going to use the proper screws that are (with good reason) allowed in other jurisdictions that has a completely different vibe to it than someone blogging about using dry wall screws to frame a house. One is a safety concern and why inspections are a good thing, while another is a minor case of ignoring code without any concerns and where an inspection would suck (if you were the homeowner doing some work yourself). If they want to use something that is more expensive and let&amp;#x27;s them do something themselves that they wouldn&amp;#x27;t be able to do at all if they had to use nails, more power to them! Change code to allow the right type of screws!&lt;p&gt;Your second part of the reply does the same, it sort of explains why you think it&amp;#x27;s a bad idea (and I agree that it is for various reasons).&lt;p&gt;Could you explain &lt;i&gt;why&lt;/i&gt; it is not a good idea to overlap roof lines?</text></comment>
<story><title>I Built a Shed (2020)</title><url>https://eduardosasso.co/blog/how-i-built-a-wfh-shed/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>hinkley</author><text>I was going to post about code violations but I’ll just tuck it under yours here so we don’t flood the top level (although one could argue that this really deserves it).&lt;p&gt;I had to stop reading r&amp;#x2F;diy because half the stuff in there made me angry. Especially people building lofts to store heavy stuff without knowing anything about construction.&lt;p&gt;You can’t overlap rooflines like this. That’s how they allow people to build small outbuildings but make large projects have to get permits. If the roofs “touch” then you’re using a loophole to make an illegal addition to your house instead of a shed.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; The way I did it was to run both wires inside a 3&amp;#x2F;4 inch PVC conduit using 14&amp;#x2F;2 electrical wiring + 100ft cat6 ethernet cable.&lt;p&gt;You are going to get somebody killed. I didn’t see you dig a trench, which means you have a single &lt;i&gt;plastic&lt;/i&gt; conduit carrying power and data and exposed to the air. It’s supposed to be grounded metal buried conduit to create a faraday cage that can’t be electrified by nearby lightning strikes or hit by a tree or debris in a wind storm. And deep enough the next owner doesn’t kill themselves planting a hydrangea.&lt;p&gt;I have half a mind to doxx you to your city planning office.</text></item><item><author>ohazi</author><text>Not that anything about this shed is built to code, but this takes the cake:&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; PRO TIP Use screws for everything; if you mess up, remove the screws and redo it; with nails, it’s a lot harder to do that.&lt;p&gt;You absolutely should not do this for framing, and most building codes specify the type and size of nails that you &lt;i&gt;must&lt;/i&gt; use when fastening load-bearing structural components.&lt;p&gt;Screws are convenient, sure, but they are necessarily much harder than nails and are prone to embrittlement and cracking, while nails are soft and pliable. You &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; get structural screws, but they&amp;#x27;re uncommon, expensive, and I&amp;#x27;d wager they weren&amp;#x27;t used here (they&amp;#x27;re &lt;i&gt;much&lt;/i&gt; beefier than a similarly rated framing nail).</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>lazide</author><text>Keep in mind, while yes this is a huge code issue mixing low voltage and high voltage  - ‘it depends’ in a lot of jurisdictions on other elements.&lt;p&gt;Following is for other folks running across this, in case it helps them.&lt;p&gt;At least in California, I’m pretty sure it’s code compliant to use &lt;i&gt;rated&lt;/i&gt; non-metallic conduit for outside high voltage runs for instance. That conduit is made of PVC. It’s the grey plastic electrical conduit at every hardware store (if branded as UV resistant&amp;#x2F;outdoor rated).&lt;p&gt;Normal PVC pipe (for water) falls apart at too low a temperature and becomes super brittle when exposed to
Sunlight surprisingly quickly.&lt;p&gt;It’s a much better idea to use EMT or even ‘hard’ conduit depending on how it’s exposed, but it’s not required. EMF protection is nice, but I haven’t seen a such a requirement for power feeds in residential anyway. If using 3 phase and some industrial equipment I imagine you’d be a jerk to not do so, but most residential neighborhoods here have overhead unshielded lines anyway.&lt;p&gt;Running to a separate detached building has a bunch of rules around grounding (for which you’ll find multiple mutually exclusive and conflicting codes across the county). Many areas don’t have lightning suppression rules though.&lt;p&gt;Depending on exactly how the building is constructed (technically ‘mobile’ vs ‘fixed) also changes codes a lot. Running the equivalent of an extension cord to a ‘mobile’ structure (which can be functionally fixed) is perfectly fine as long as it’s GFCI protected for instance. Not that he did that.&lt;p&gt;Ideally it would be a separate sub panel, grounded and protected as such, with proper rated conduit, etc.&lt;p&gt;But the bar is a lot lower than what you’re saying if someone follows some basic guidelines. And can be done safely.&lt;p&gt;But yeah, Article Author - you’re going to get someone killed. Jesus.</text></comment>