<story><title>Signal: Will leave the EU market rather than undermine our privacy guarantees</title><url>https://twitter.com/mer__edith/status/1796508893822238881</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>somenameforme</author><text>That Tweet links to this [1] description which, in glancing at the text, seems to indeed be accurate:&lt;p&gt;----&lt;p&gt;According to the latest draft regulation dated 28 May (Council document 9093&amp;#x2F;24), which is presented as “upload moderation”, users of apps and services with chat functions are to be asked whether they accept the indiscriminate and error-prone scanning and possibly reporting of their privately shared images, photos and videos. Previously unknown images and videos are also to be scrutinised using “artificial intelligence” technology. If a user refuses the scanning, they would be blocked from sending or receiving images, photos, videos and links (Article 10). End-to-end encrypted services such as Whatsapp or Signal would have to implement the automated searches “prior to transmission” of a message (so-called client-side scanning, Article 10a). The initially proposed scanning of text messages for indications of grooming, which is hardly being used to date, is to be scrapped, as is the scanning of voice communication, which has never been done before. Probably as a concession to France, the chats of employees of security authorities and the military are also to be exempted from chat control.&lt;p&gt;----&lt;p&gt;Strange times we live in. Entertaining, but strange.&lt;p&gt;[1] - &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.patrick-breyer.de&amp;#x2F;en&amp;#x2F;majority-for-chat-control-possible-users-who-refuse-scanning-to-be-prevented-from-sharing-photos-and-links&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.patrick-breyer.de&amp;#x2F;en&amp;#x2F;majority-for-chat-control-p...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>astrobe_</author><text>Article 12 of the declaration of Human Rights :&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;Bugging communications by investigators with special approval is already an exception to this principle. Government bodies that make sure that laws conform to the constitution should veto any exception broader than that, so this draft &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; basically be pointless.&lt;p&gt;It feels like there are social&amp;#x2F;political mechanisms at work that allow that to however happen. They pave the road to Hell little by little, one stone at a time, and this is neither strange nor entertaining. To me, the beginning of this century has similarities with the beginning of the previous, which is quite worrying.</text></comment>
<story><title>Signal: Will leave the EU market rather than undermine our privacy guarantees</title><url>https://twitter.com/mer__edith/status/1796508893822238881</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>somenameforme</author><text>That Tweet links to this [1] description which, in glancing at the text, seems to indeed be accurate:&lt;p&gt;----&lt;p&gt;According to the latest draft regulation dated 28 May (Council document 9093&amp;#x2F;24), which is presented as “upload moderation”, users of apps and services with chat functions are to be asked whether they accept the indiscriminate and error-prone scanning and possibly reporting of their privately shared images, photos and videos. Previously unknown images and videos are also to be scrutinised using “artificial intelligence” technology. If a user refuses the scanning, they would be blocked from sending or receiving images, photos, videos and links (Article 10). End-to-end encrypted services such as Whatsapp or Signal would have to implement the automated searches “prior to transmission” of a message (so-called client-side scanning, Article 10a). The initially proposed scanning of text messages for indications of grooming, which is hardly being used to date, is to be scrapped, as is the scanning of voice communication, which has never been done before. Probably as a concession to France, the chats of employees of security authorities and the military are also to be exempted from chat control.&lt;p&gt;----&lt;p&gt;Strange times we live in. Entertaining, but strange.&lt;p&gt;[1] - &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.patrick-breyer.de&amp;#x2F;en&amp;#x2F;majority-for-chat-control-possible-users-who-refuse-scanning-to-be-prevented-from-sharing-photos-and-links&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.patrick-breyer.de&amp;#x2F;en&amp;#x2F;majority-for-chat-control-p...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>riedel</author><text>Will my email client using SMIME have to implement this? Seems kind of ridiculous.&lt;p&gt;Seems to be targeting platforms. Will it be illegal to send encrypted texts, what is keeping anyone from using crypto on top of existing messaging?&lt;p&gt;While I do not want to dive into any details on adverse effects of such stupidities, the EU seems to be actually taking a strange road to tech dependent overengineered regulation. It seems that this mostly driven by lobbyists that want to sell compliance services. Also it seems that there is more value in creating regulation rather than making sure it is enforcible.</text></comment>