<story><title>Does It Make Sense for Programmers to Move to the Bay Area?</title><url>http://blog.triplebyte.com/does-it-make-sense-for-programmers-to-move-to-the-bay-area</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>qntty</author><text>This is really insightful. Does this fallacy have an well known name?</text></item><item><author>harterrt</author><text>This could also be an artifact of the metric. I call this the &amp;quot;Geico&amp;quot; fallacy.&lt;p&gt;Geico advertises that &amp;quot;People who switch to Geico save 15% or more&amp;quot;. Notice that people who would lose money by switching to Geico should rarely switch. Accordingly, this metric will usually be positive.&lt;p&gt;Consider that people moving to a new city for a job may need more incentive to move.</text></item><item><author>tom_b</author><text>Interesting that Bay Area hackers make more than local hackers when they relocate outside the Bay Area.&lt;p&gt;FTA:&lt;p&gt;&lt;pre&gt;&lt;code&gt;  A 2015 report by Hired found that when engineers from 
  the Bay Area relocate to other areas, they out-earn
  engineers on the local market. Experience in the Bay 
  Area seems to advance careers. Engineers moving from 
  San Francisco to Seattle make an average of $9,000 
  more than others who get offers in Seattle. This Bay 
  Area premium is even higher in other cities: $16,000 
  in Boston, $17,000 in Chicago, and $19,000 in San Diego.
&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
[found slide at &lt;a href=&quot;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;get.hired.com&amp;#x2F;rs&amp;#x2F;348-IPO-044&amp;#x2F;images&amp;#x2F;Hired-State-of-Salaries.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;get.hired.com&amp;#x2F;rs&amp;#x2F;348-IPO-044&amp;#x2F;images&amp;#x2F;Hired-State-of-Sa...&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;p&gt;Bay Area hackers are more valued in different markets than local hackers.  I would love to see the raw data for the &amp;quot;relocating&amp;quot; hackers and local hackers.  Is it a question of applied experience opportunities in the Bay Area hackers?  Is just startup afterglow?  Are relocating hackers better than average pre-Bay Area experience to begin with and this shows up when they migrate away from the Bay Area?</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>sjbp</author><text>Self-selection bias    : &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Self-selection_bias&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Self-selection_bias&lt;/a&gt;</text></comment>
<story><title>Does It Make Sense for Programmers to Move to the Bay Area?</title><url>http://blog.triplebyte.com/does-it-make-sense-for-programmers-to-move-to-the-bay-area</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>qntty</author><text>This is really insightful. Does this fallacy have an well known name?</text></item><item><author>harterrt</author><text>This could also be an artifact of the metric. I call this the &amp;quot;Geico&amp;quot; fallacy.&lt;p&gt;Geico advertises that &amp;quot;People who switch to Geico save 15% or more&amp;quot;. Notice that people who would lose money by switching to Geico should rarely switch. Accordingly, this metric will usually be positive.&lt;p&gt;Consider that people moving to a new city for a job may need more incentive to move.</text></item><item><author>tom_b</author><text>Interesting that Bay Area hackers make more than local hackers when they relocate outside the Bay Area.&lt;p&gt;FTA:&lt;p&gt;&lt;pre&gt;&lt;code&gt;  A 2015 report by Hired found that when engineers from 
  the Bay Area relocate to other areas, they out-earn
  engineers on the local market. Experience in the Bay 
  Area seems to advance careers. Engineers moving from 
  San Francisco to Seattle make an average of $9,000 
  more than others who get offers in Seattle. This Bay 
  Area premium is even higher in other cities: $16,000 
  in Boston, $17,000 in Chicago, and $19,000 in San Diego.
&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
[found slide at &lt;a href=&quot;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;get.hired.com&amp;#x2F;rs&amp;#x2F;348-IPO-044&amp;#x2F;images&amp;#x2F;Hired-State-of-Salaries.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;get.hired.com&amp;#x2F;rs&amp;#x2F;348-IPO-044&amp;#x2F;images&amp;#x2F;Hired-State-of-Sa...&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;p&gt;Bay Area hackers are more valued in different markets than local hackers.  I would love to see the raw data for the &amp;quot;relocating&amp;quot; hackers and local hackers.  Is it a question of applied experience opportunities in the Bay Area hackers?  Is just startup afterglow?  Are relocating hackers better than average pre-Bay Area experience to begin with and this shows up when they migrate away from the Bay Area?</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>evincarofautumn</author><text>I think it’s attrition bias, a form of selection bias.&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Selection_bias#Attrition&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Selection_bias#Attrition&lt;/a&gt;</text></comment>