<story><title>Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10</title><url>https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-building-chromium-powered-web-browser-windows-10</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>sametmax</author><text>&amp;gt; This will be especially true when Firefox inevitably shutters it&amp;#x27;s in-house efforts in a couple of years due to the amount of sites that won&amp;#x27;t work with it, and starts using Chromium too.&lt;p&gt;It seems very unlikely:&lt;p&gt;- Mozilla has been in a far worse uderdog position before during the IE6 era, with way more incompatible sites and less funding.&lt;p&gt;- Mozilla is not for profit. Fighting for the open Web is one of their goal. It always has been. They are not perfect, but their track record is damn good compared to almost any player of their size and impact in the tech world.&lt;p&gt;- Mozilla strongly invested in their own tech, including rewritting the browser rendering engine and taking huge risks such as create a bloody hole new language, rust, in the process. To my knowledge, the &amp;quot;oxydation&amp;quot; project has been a success so far, and rust is proving everyday that it&amp;#x27;s a positive force in the world as well.&lt;p&gt;- Firefox is the only decent mobile browser. I can&amp;#x27;t navigate the web without the ublock extension. I just can&amp;#x27;t.&lt;p&gt;- Mozilla keeps innovating. Their last brillant idea, the tab container, is worth switching on it&amp;#x27;s own.&lt;p&gt;- Mozilla has the hardcore geeks on their side. Even during the V30 to v50 transition period where Firefox was, at the time, clearly an inferior product, we kept using it to support it for the sheer ideal of it. We hoped it would come back from it, and it happened: Firefox is now a fast, lean and fantastic browser again.&lt;p&gt;- Privacy concerns are (FINALLY !) being taken in consideration from the crowd. And Chrome is terrible at this, so moving to a chromium core, while technically not related at all because you can set it up the way you like, would carry the stigma.&lt;p&gt;All in all, I&amp;#x27;m incredibly optimistic about Mozilla et Firefox&amp;#x27;s future despite the market share taking a serious hit.</text></item><item><author>headmelted</author><text>It&amp;#x27;s not really better though - having only two real browsers is not good for open standards or the open web.&lt;p&gt;This will be especially true when Firefox inevitably shutters it&amp;#x27;s in-house efforts in a couple of years due to the amount of sites that won&amp;#x27;t work with it&lt;i&gt;, and starts using Chromium too.&lt;p&gt;&lt;/i&gt; Staring into my crystal ball tells me Firefox will become &amp;quot;janky&amp;quot; in the eyes of users on account of how many sites don&amp;#x27;t load on it like they do Chromium (because developers will only test on the most popular browser, because THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS LITERALLY EVERY TIME).</text></item><item><author>swalladge</author><text>No, I tell my friends and family to use Firefox. There is more than one decent browser out there.
I don&amp;#x27;t like the idea of everything using the Chromium engine; monoculture _is_ bad and we shouldn&amp;#x27;t put our eggs in the one basket. That said, IE and Edge have historically been terrible both compatibility and performance-wise. It&amp;#x27;s not just websites that aren&amp;#x27;t tested in Edge - my experience with Edge is that all aspects of performance (initial load time, ui responsiveness, web site responsiveness) are terribly slow.&lt;p&gt;I applaud the death of IE and Edge. One thing I&amp;#x27;m worried about though is that Chromium may take over the market and we end up with websites working only in Chromium based browsers and other important browsers like Firefox and Safari get left in the dirt.</text></item><item><author>TanakaTarou</author><text>What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear &amp;quot;I use Egde to download Chrome&amp;quot;. Many of you here don&amp;#x27;t test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engine is a big step in that direction. It is a step they have to do because.. and now comes the down votes... YOU don&amp;#x27;t test your work in Egde and because YOU tell all friends and family to use Chrome instead of edge. I bet many of you even helps friends and family in downloading it. So stop complaining about monoculture. Many of you helped create it.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>daveheq</author><text>Do you mean uBlock Origin, or the scam extension uBlock?&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;addons.mozilla.org&amp;#x2F;en-US&amp;#x2F;firefox&amp;#x2F;addon&amp;#x2F;ublock&amp;#x2F;reviews&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;addons.mozilla.org&amp;#x2F;en-US&amp;#x2F;firefox&amp;#x2F;addon&amp;#x2F;ublock&amp;#x2F;review...&lt;/a&gt;</text></comment>
<story><title>Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10</title><url>https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-building-chromium-powered-web-browser-windows-10</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>sametmax</author><text>&amp;gt; This will be especially true when Firefox inevitably shutters it&amp;#x27;s in-house efforts in a couple of years due to the amount of sites that won&amp;#x27;t work with it, and starts using Chromium too.&lt;p&gt;It seems very unlikely:&lt;p&gt;- Mozilla has been in a far worse uderdog position before during the IE6 era, with way more incompatible sites and less funding.&lt;p&gt;- Mozilla is not for profit. Fighting for the open Web is one of their goal. It always has been. They are not perfect, but their track record is damn good compared to almost any player of their size and impact in the tech world.&lt;p&gt;- Mozilla strongly invested in their own tech, including rewritting the browser rendering engine and taking huge risks such as create a bloody hole new language, rust, in the process. To my knowledge, the &amp;quot;oxydation&amp;quot; project has been a success so far, and rust is proving everyday that it&amp;#x27;s a positive force in the world as well.&lt;p&gt;- Firefox is the only decent mobile browser. I can&amp;#x27;t navigate the web without the ublock extension. I just can&amp;#x27;t.&lt;p&gt;- Mozilla keeps innovating. Their last brillant idea, the tab container, is worth switching on it&amp;#x27;s own.&lt;p&gt;- Mozilla has the hardcore geeks on their side. Even during the V30 to v50 transition period where Firefox was, at the time, clearly an inferior product, we kept using it to support it for the sheer ideal of it. We hoped it would come back from it, and it happened: Firefox is now a fast, lean and fantastic browser again.&lt;p&gt;- Privacy concerns are (FINALLY !) being taken in consideration from the crowd. And Chrome is terrible at this, so moving to a chromium core, while technically not related at all because you can set it up the way you like, would carry the stigma.&lt;p&gt;All in all, I&amp;#x27;m incredibly optimistic about Mozilla et Firefox&amp;#x27;s future despite the market share taking a serious hit.</text></item><item><author>headmelted</author><text>It&amp;#x27;s not really better though - having only two real browsers is not good for open standards or the open web.&lt;p&gt;This will be especially true when Firefox inevitably shutters it&amp;#x27;s in-house efforts in a couple of years due to the amount of sites that won&amp;#x27;t work with it&lt;i&gt;, and starts using Chromium too.&lt;p&gt;&lt;/i&gt; Staring into my crystal ball tells me Firefox will become &amp;quot;janky&amp;quot; in the eyes of users on account of how many sites don&amp;#x27;t load on it like they do Chromium (because developers will only test on the most popular browser, because THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS LITERALLY EVERY TIME).</text></item><item><author>swalladge</author><text>No, I tell my friends and family to use Firefox. There is more than one decent browser out there.
I don&amp;#x27;t like the idea of everything using the Chromium engine; monoculture _is_ bad and we shouldn&amp;#x27;t put our eggs in the one basket. That said, IE and Edge have historically been terrible both compatibility and performance-wise. It&amp;#x27;s not just websites that aren&amp;#x27;t tested in Edge - my experience with Edge is that all aspects of performance (initial load time, ui responsiveness, web site responsiveness) are terribly slow.&lt;p&gt;I applaud the death of IE and Edge. One thing I&amp;#x27;m worried about though is that Chromium may take over the market and we end up with websites working only in Chromium based browsers and other important browsers like Firefox and Safari get left in the dirt.</text></item><item><author>TanakaTarou</author><text>What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear &amp;quot;I use Egde to download Chrome&amp;quot;. Many of you here don&amp;#x27;t test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engine is a big step in that direction. It is a step they have to do because.. and now comes the down votes... YOU don&amp;#x27;t test your work in Egde and because YOU tell all friends and family to use Chrome instead of edge. I bet many of you even helps friends and family in downloading it. So stop complaining about monoculture. Many of you helped create it.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>tssva</author><text>&amp;gt;Firefox is now a fast, lean and fantastic browser again.&lt;p&gt;This is not my experience. On my MacBook Pro it is slow and tends to cause system lockups on a regular basis. Everytime there is a new announcement about how the new Firefox has improved performance and stability I give it a try and each time am disappointed.&lt;p&gt;On my phone the Firefox browser is almost unusably slow and slow enough that it can&amp;#x27;t replace Chrome. Mozilla has released other mobile browsers which perform faster but they lack the features I need in my browser.</text></comment>