<story><title>Debian 10 “Buster” Released</title><url>https://www.debian.org/News/2019/20190706</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>charlesdaniels</author><text>Congratulations to the Debian team on their new release! I will certainly be upgrading to it soon enough. Just for fun, I downloaded the ISO shortly after it went up and recorded my first impressions of using it on the happy path with the default GNOME environment. I would consider myself a technical user, but I use GNOME rarely and am not familiar with it personally.&lt;p&gt;* I didn&amp;#x27;t notice anything out of place with the Wayland switch. I haven&amp;#x27;t tested suspend&amp;#x2F;resume&amp;#x2F;hibernate&amp;#x2F;external monitors yet though. Personally, I won&amp;#x27;t be using Wayland on my main machine once I update that as I&amp;#x27;m a CWM user, and Wayland support probably isn&amp;#x27;t every going to happen for that.&lt;p&gt;* My user account wasn&amp;#x27;t added to the sudo group by default, and using `su` broke something with PATH (&amp;#x2F;sbin wasn&amp;#x27;t in PATH after running `su`).&lt;p&gt;* GNOME apparently does not support configuring multiple wifi adapters, which was a problem since I had intended to use a USB adapter to download the nonfree drivers for my internal adapter, but GNOME did not have a menu to configure them separately.&lt;p&gt;* The problems that GNOME 3.X has always had continue to be present -- chiefly the UI scale is too large on low-res screens (the machine I was testing with has a 1366x768 display), and graphics performance continues to disappoint (animations stutter very noticeably on the &amp;quot;search&amp;quot; screen for example, this was on a 2nd gen mobile i7).&lt;p&gt;* The much-touted software center seemed to have several polish issues. The first time I launched it it threw a bunch of inscrutable errors and didn&amp;#x27;t work until I re-booted the machine. It still threw inscrutable errors, but worked after this. Lists of software would take 60s+ to download (render? not sure what part was slowing it down).&lt;p&gt;From the perspective of a technical user, I don&amp;#x27;t care about any of these. They either affect software I don&amp;#x27;t use, or could be fixed easily enough. However, if the objective is to support non-technical users who don&amp;#x27;t have the knowledge&amp;#x2F;time&amp;#x2F;interest to troubleshoot, I feel that this release falls short.&lt;p&gt;For reference, the hardware used to test was a ThinkPad X220 with a 2nd gen i7, 12GB RAM, and an SSD.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>alxlaz</author><text>&amp;gt; The problems that GNOME 3.X has always had continue to be present -- chiefly the UI scale is too large on low-res screens (the machine I was testing with has a 1366x768 display)&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s not just Gnome that does that. There&amp;#x27;s an entire generation of designers that&amp;#x27;s cargo-culting mobile designs at the moment. Breeze, KDE&amp;#x27;s default theme, is equally space-wasting. They&amp;#x27;re great if you have a touch screen but it would be really cool if you could turn them off on systems without touch screens, i.e. about 99% of the current Linux installations I&amp;#x27;m guessing :-).&lt;p&gt;If you&amp;#x27;re willing to fiddle around, there are a few good themes that don&amp;#x27;t waste so much space.</text></comment>
<story><title>Debian 10 “Buster” Released</title><url>https://www.debian.org/News/2019/20190706</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>charlesdaniels</author><text>Congratulations to the Debian team on their new release! I will certainly be upgrading to it soon enough. Just for fun, I downloaded the ISO shortly after it went up and recorded my first impressions of using it on the happy path with the default GNOME environment. I would consider myself a technical user, but I use GNOME rarely and am not familiar with it personally.&lt;p&gt;* I didn&amp;#x27;t notice anything out of place with the Wayland switch. I haven&amp;#x27;t tested suspend&amp;#x2F;resume&amp;#x2F;hibernate&amp;#x2F;external monitors yet though. Personally, I won&amp;#x27;t be using Wayland on my main machine once I update that as I&amp;#x27;m a CWM user, and Wayland support probably isn&amp;#x27;t every going to happen for that.&lt;p&gt;* My user account wasn&amp;#x27;t added to the sudo group by default, and using `su` broke something with PATH (&amp;#x2F;sbin wasn&amp;#x27;t in PATH after running `su`).&lt;p&gt;* GNOME apparently does not support configuring multiple wifi adapters, which was a problem since I had intended to use a USB adapter to download the nonfree drivers for my internal adapter, but GNOME did not have a menu to configure them separately.&lt;p&gt;* The problems that GNOME 3.X has always had continue to be present -- chiefly the UI scale is too large on low-res screens (the machine I was testing with has a 1366x768 display), and graphics performance continues to disappoint (animations stutter very noticeably on the &amp;quot;search&amp;quot; screen for example, this was on a 2nd gen mobile i7).&lt;p&gt;* The much-touted software center seemed to have several polish issues. The first time I launched it it threw a bunch of inscrutable errors and didn&amp;#x27;t work until I re-booted the machine. It still threw inscrutable errors, but worked after this. Lists of software would take 60s+ to download (render? not sure what part was slowing it down).&lt;p&gt;From the perspective of a technical user, I don&amp;#x27;t care about any of these. They either affect software I don&amp;#x27;t use, or could be fixed easily enough. However, if the objective is to support non-technical users who don&amp;#x27;t have the knowledge&amp;#x2F;time&amp;#x2F;interest to troubleshoot, I feel that this release falls short.&lt;p&gt;For reference, the hardware used to test was a ThinkPad X220 with a 2nd gen i7, 12GB RAM, and an SSD.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>Abishek_Muthian</author><text>Unfortunately the bold decision to take on Wayland (due to Gnome) in the upstream debian buster isn&amp;#x27;t going to propagate to low end hardware like Raspberry Pi incl. Pi4.&lt;p&gt;Though the Buster based raspbian will be available, they will continue using the LXDE version as Gnome is too heavy for the Pi.&lt;p&gt;I had tried Wayland for Pi3 earlier in my effort to get a smoother desktop experience on the Raspberry Pi[1], it was the smoothest desktop environment among other options but unusable due to XWayland apps crashing due to framebuffer issues.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;ve settled for HW accelerated, Xfce4, Arch Linux (btrfs&amp;#x2F;zswap) on RPi3.&lt;p&gt;[1]: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;abishekmuthian.com&amp;#x2F;getting-smoother-desktop-experience-on-raspberry-pi&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;abishekmuthian.com&amp;#x2F;getting-smoother-desktop-experien...&lt;/a&gt;</text></comment>