<story><title>Apple, Google and a Deal That Controls the Internet</title><url>https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/25/technology/apple-google-search-antitrust.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>kungito</author><text>Are Bing and DDG using those algorithms? Because every 6-8 months I give one of them a try and they are horrible. First I force myself a week of no falling back to Google when I cannot find anything and then slowly I just give up again. Did they misunderstand something elementary?</text></item><item><author>lumost</author><text>Who says apple hasn&amp;#x27;t built a viable alternative already?  12 billion might just be the cost of keeping them out of the search market.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s not 2000 anymore.  Building a web scale search engine no longer requires novel distributed systems work, and the most viable search algorithms have strong open source implementations.  It&amp;#x27;s still a very hard problem to get right, but you can create an &amp;quot;interesting&amp;quot; poc in a few weeks.  Recent work on unspervised content based recommenders can help reduce click stream data requirements.</text></item><item><author>sparker72678</author><text>The irony of the suit will be when Google is barred from paying for preferential treatment, then everyone chooses them as the default anyway, saving Google billions of dollars per year while leaving their 95% market share untouched.&lt;p&gt;Who had Apple down on their betting sheet as the biggest loser from a Google anti-trust lawsuit?</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>weareallcowards</author><text>I&amp;#x27;ve used DDG search exclusively for about 9 months now, and I&amp;#x27;ve never used the !g flag. Comments like this completely baffle me.&lt;p&gt;In my anecdotal experience, it&amp;#x27;s every bit as good as google, and I simply did not notice a difference in the results when I switched.&lt;p&gt;It must be down to what people search for, or maybe how heavily Google has customized their personal results to fit their behaviors. I mostly use web searches for looking up technical documentation, and 5-second tasks like weather forecasts and unit conversions.</text></comment>
<story><title>Apple, Google and a Deal That Controls the Internet</title><url>https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/25/technology/apple-google-search-antitrust.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>kungito</author><text>Are Bing and DDG using those algorithms? Because every 6-8 months I give one of them a try and they are horrible. First I force myself a week of no falling back to Google when I cannot find anything and then slowly I just give up again. Did they misunderstand something elementary?</text></item><item><author>lumost</author><text>Who says apple hasn&amp;#x27;t built a viable alternative already?  12 billion might just be the cost of keeping them out of the search market.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s not 2000 anymore.  Building a web scale search engine no longer requires novel distributed systems work, and the most viable search algorithms have strong open source implementations.  It&amp;#x27;s still a very hard problem to get right, but you can create an &amp;quot;interesting&amp;quot; poc in a few weeks.  Recent work on unspervised content based recommenders can help reduce click stream data requirements.</text></item><item><author>sparker72678</author><text>The irony of the suit will be when Google is barred from paying for preferential treatment, then everyone chooses them as the default anyway, saving Google billions of dollars per year while leaving their 95% market share untouched.&lt;p&gt;Who had Apple down on their betting sheet as the biggest loser from a Google anti-trust lawsuit?</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>heavyset_go</author><text>Bing and DDG don&amp;#x27;t fall prey to being inundated by SEO blog spam like Google does.&lt;p&gt;Either way, I use Searx[1], which is a search engine aggregator that you can self-host or use one of the public instances[2].&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;github.com&amp;#x2F;searx&amp;#x2F;searx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;github.com&amp;#x2F;searx&amp;#x2F;searx&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;[2] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;searx.space&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;searx.space&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;</text></comment>