<story><title>Why isn&apos;t there a universal data format for résumés?</title><url>https://toot.cat/@woozle/107634232290378715</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>vanusa</author><text>&lt;i&gt;That&amp;#x27;s very nice to think about but in the real world if people don&amp;#x27;t match some exact keywords they get thrown away.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;This isn&amp;#x27;t the &amp;quot;real world&amp;quot; you&amp;#x27;re referring to here -- it&amp;#x27;s the &lt;i&gt;fin-de-big-tech&lt;/i&gt; bubble world where everyone and their dog is not only sold, smack-down drunk on the idea that Algorithms and Data are the Solution to Your Problems.  They aren&amp;#x27;t of course -- it&amp;#x27;s just a giant hornswoggle.  This &amp;quot;world&amp;quot; needs to end, and it needs to end soon.&lt;p&gt;My belief is that it will.  But until it does, companies that run crappy ATSs (like there&amp;#x27;s any other kind) deserve the buzzword-gurgling, keyword-dropping candidate pool get.  And developers who get &amp;quot;rejected&amp;quot; by these companies should be grateful for the sublime gift of this rejection -- and for the opportunity to laser focus on companies and teams that use their heads to hire, rather than a fleet of bots.&lt;p&gt;Snark aside - hiring managers that actually &lt;i&gt;read&lt;/i&gt; resumes (and yes, actually at least skim each and every one -- really it ain&amp;#x27;t that hard) are golden to work for (other factors being equal).  Really, you don&amp;#x27;t want to waste your time with companies that have drunken the ATS kool-aid.  Really you don&amp;#x27;t.&lt;p&gt;That said, however:&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;HR is looking for &amp;quot;node.js&amp;quot; but you wrote it like &amp;quot;nodejs&amp;quot;? Though luck pal, bye.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s &amp;quot;Node.js&amp;quot; with a dot.  If you spell it &amp;quot;nodejs&amp;quot;, that&amp;#x27;s a serious red flag and you shouldn&amp;#x27;t be surprised if it gets you automatically discarded -- even by a human reviewer.&lt;p&gt;That&amp;#x27;s what resumes used to be, after all -- a kind of a take-home test where you really do have enough time (and perfect knowledge) to get everything 100 percent right.  And also a test of your awareness of the fact that, yes, in critical business communications at least -- this level of correctness does matter, and it matters a lot.</text></item><item><author>moralestapia</author><text>&amp;gt;Documents like these shouldn&amp;#x27;t be automatically processed, they should be reviewed by humans.&lt;p&gt;That&amp;#x27;s very nice to think about but in the real world if people don&amp;#x27;t match some exact keywords they get thrown away. HR is looking for &amp;quot;node.js&amp;quot; but you wrote it like &amp;quot;nodejs&amp;quot;? Though luck pal, bye. HR wants a &amp;quot;computer scientist&amp;quot; but you have a degree in &amp;quot;computer science&amp;quot;? Same, automatically discarded.&lt;p&gt;If anything, a standard format would at least allow people to classify themselves&amp;#x2F;others correctly and without ambiguity.</text></item><item><author>jeroenhd</author><text>In my opinion, there shouldn&amp;#x27;t be.&lt;p&gt;Documents like these shouldn&amp;#x27;t be automatically processed, they should be reviewed by humans. Reducing someone&amp;#x27;s life history to a list of educational institutions and employers feels robotic even for a software developer&amp;#x27;s mindset.&lt;p&gt;I understand that there are real life problems because companies do use automated processing on applications, but that kind of behaviour shouldn&amp;#x27;t be encouraged.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>threatofrain</author><text>&amp;gt; It&amp;#x27;s &amp;quot;Node.js&amp;quot; with a dot. If you spell it &amp;quot;nodejs&amp;quot;, that&amp;#x27;s a serious red flag and you shouldn&amp;#x27;t be surprised if it gets you automatically discarded -- even by a human reviewer.&lt;p&gt;Yikes. “It’s not JavaScript it’s Ecmascript! What a RED FLAG.”</text></comment>
<story><title>Why isn&apos;t there a universal data format for résumés?</title><url>https://toot.cat/@woozle/107634232290378715</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>vanusa</author><text>&lt;i&gt;That&amp;#x27;s very nice to think about but in the real world if people don&amp;#x27;t match some exact keywords they get thrown away.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;This isn&amp;#x27;t the &amp;quot;real world&amp;quot; you&amp;#x27;re referring to here -- it&amp;#x27;s the &lt;i&gt;fin-de-big-tech&lt;/i&gt; bubble world where everyone and their dog is not only sold, smack-down drunk on the idea that Algorithms and Data are the Solution to Your Problems.  They aren&amp;#x27;t of course -- it&amp;#x27;s just a giant hornswoggle.  This &amp;quot;world&amp;quot; needs to end, and it needs to end soon.&lt;p&gt;My belief is that it will.  But until it does, companies that run crappy ATSs (like there&amp;#x27;s any other kind) deserve the buzzword-gurgling, keyword-dropping candidate pool get.  And developers who get &amp;quot;rejected&amp;quot; by these companies should be grateful for the sublime gift of this rejection -- and for the opportunity to laser focus on companies and teams that use their heads to hire, rather than a fleet of bots.&lt;p&gt;Snark aside - hiring managers that actually &lt;i&gt;read&lt;/i&gt; resumes (and yes, actually at least skim each and every one -- really it ain&amp;#x27;t that hard) are golden to work for (other factors being equal).  Really, you don&amp;#x27;t want to waste your time with companies that have drunken the ATS kool-aid.  Really you don&amp;#x27;t.&lt;p&gt;That said, however:&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;HR is looking for &amp;quot;node.js&amp;quot; but you wrote it like &amp;quot;nodejs&amp;quot;? Though luck pal, bye.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s &amp;quot;Node.js&amp;quot; with a dot.  If you spell it &amp;quot;nodejs&amp;quot;, that&amp;#x27;s a serious red flag and you shouldn&amp;#x27;t be surprised if it gets you automatically discarded -- even by a human reviewer.&lt;p&gt;That&amp;#x27;s what resumes used to be, after all -- a kind of a take-home test where you really do have enough time (and perfect knowledge) to get everything 100 percent right.  And also a test of your awareness of the fact that, yes, in critical business communications at least -- this level of correctness does matter, and it matters a lot.</text></item><item><author>moralestapia</author><text>&amp;gt;Documents like these shouldn&amp;#x27;t be automatically processed, they should be reviewed by humans.&lt;p&gt;That&amp;#x27;s very nice to think about but in the real world if people don&amp;#x27;t match some exact keywords they get thrown away. HR is looking for &amp;quot;node.js&amp;quot; but you wrote it like &amp;quot;nodejs&amp;quot;? Though luck pal, bye. HR wants a &amp;quot;computer scientist&amp;quot; but you have a degree in &amp;quot;computer science&amp;quot;? Same, automatically discarded.&lt;p&gt;If anything, a standard format would at least allow people to classify themselves&amp;#x2F;others correctly and without ambiguity.</text></item><item><author>jeroenhd</author><text>In my opinion, there shouldn&amp;#x27;t be.&lt;p&gt;Documents like these shouldn&amp;#x27;t be automatically processed, they should be reviewed by humans. Reducing someone&amp;#x27;s life history to a list of educational institutions and employers feels robotic even for a software developer&amp;#x27;s mindset.&lt;p&gt;I understand that there are real life problems because companies do use automated processing on applications, but that kind of behaviour shouldn&amp;#x27;t be encouraged.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>kortilla</author><text>&amp;gt; That&amp;#x27;s what resumes used to be, after all -- a kind of a take-home test where you really do have enough time (and perfect knowledge) to get everything 100 percent right.&lt;p&gt;The only thing this filters for is people who have been looking for a job for a long time and&amp;#x2F;or are people focused on presentation instead of content, good luck with that.&lt;p&gt;We’ve hired incredible engineers across that have had typos and major resume mistakes many times and they had no communications problems on the job.&lt;p&gt;A resume is a background&amp;#x2F;interests check for the hiring manager. Giving them a spell check is about as useful as measuring the ratio of times the letter ‘a’ appears relative to ‘e’.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; critical business communications at least -- this level of correctness does matter, and it matters a lot.&lt;p&gt;This sounds like someone who is unable to contextualize when that would be relevant. Unless you’re writing user documentation there are zero times in an engineer’s day-to-day communications where writing nodejs instead of “Node.js” would have any impact at all.</text></comment>