<story><title>The pro-Israel information war</title><url>https://jackpoulson.substack.com/p/inside-the-pro-israel-information</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>A1kmm</author><text>I think the fundamental assumption of the analysis that there are two mutually exclusive groups, &amp;#x27;pro-Israel&amp;#x27; and &amp;#x27;pro-Palestine&amp;#x27; is flawed. It is possible to simultaneously support the interests of Palestinian and Israeli civilians (and support a peaceful Israel within the 1967 boundaries), while condemning the massacre of civilians under the orders of Likud (and other far right parties) and Hamas.&lt;p&gt;I think it is currently about an order of magnitude more civilians deaths have resulted from the actions of Likud (Netanyahu etc..., who control the government and hence the IDF) than from the actions of Hamas. IDF is apparently disrupting civilian aid, destroying infrastructure including hospitals, and causing mass population movements into areas that cannot support them, so the risk of death from starvation and infectious disease at a massive scale as an indirect result is high. The Likud-controlled IDF are also apparently enforcing a &amp;#x27;lock down&amp;#x27; of Palestinian civilians in the West Bank while allowing Israeli citizens to seize land by force and further expand the occupied territories.&lt;p&gt;So the scale of the atrocities seems to be much higher on the Likud side than the Hamas side, covers both the West Bank and Gaza, and it makes sense that the Palestinian victims of those atrocities would receive more support. That doesn&amp;#x27;t mean that all the people who care about the plight of the Palestinian population are anti-Israel (they are just not posting about it because they are likely prioritising issues).</text></item><item><author>jdross</author><text>Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms.
&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;twitter.com&amp;#x2F;antgoldbloom&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;1721561226151612602&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;twitter.com&amp;#x2F;antgoldbloom&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;1721561226151612602&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views
&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;twitter.com&amp;#x2F;committeeonccp&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;1732792434961031436&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;twitter.com&amp;#x2F;committeeonccp&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;173279243496103143...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;It also seems like these platforms create (rather than support) anti-Israeli views:
&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;twitter.com&amp;#x2F;antgoldbloom&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;1730255552738201854&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;twitter.com&amp;#x2F;antgoldbloom&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;1730255552738201854&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;US views skew pro-israel, and GenZ is closer to 50&amp;#x2F;50, so if there&amp;#x27;s something going on online, it&amp;#x27;s not in favor of Israel.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s probably relevant that there are 1 billion Muslims to 16 million Jews, and that the largest relevant population of pro-Israeli internationals is India and Indian Hindus, and they are not on TikTok (blocked in India).</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>The_Colonel</author><text>I think that forcing this dichotomy is part of the deliberate pro-Israel media strategy - if you despise Hamas inhumane acts, then of course you need to be pro-Israel. They want you to focus on Hamas to steer away your attention from what Israel has been doing. (this is also one of the reasons why Hamas has historically been an asset for the Israeli right)</text></comment>
<story><title>The pro-Israel information war</title><url>https://jackpoulson.substack.com/p/inside-the-pro-israel-information</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>A1kmm</author><text>I think the fundamental assumption of the analysis that there are two mutually exclusive groups, &amp;#x27;pro-Israel&amp;#x27; and &amp;#x27;pro-Palestine&amp;#x27; is flawed. It is possible to simultaneously support the interests of Palestinian and Israeli civilians (and support a peaceful Israel within the 1967 boundaries), while condemning the massacre of civilians under the orders of Likud (and other far right parties) and Hamas.&lt;p&gt;I think it is currently about an order of magnitude more civilians deaths have resulted from the actions of Likud (Netanyahu etc..., who control the government and hence the IDF) than from the actions of Hamas. IDF is apparently disrupting civilian aid, destroying infrastructure including hospitals, and causing mass population movements into areas that cannot support them, so the risk of death from starvation and infectious disease at a massive scale as an indirect result is high. The Likud-controlled IDF are also apparently enforcing a &amp;#x27;lock down&amp;#x27; of Palestinian civilians in the West Bank while allowing Israeli citizens to seize land by force and further expand the occupied territories.&lt;p&gt;So the scale of the atrocities seems to be much higher on the Likud side than the Hamas side, covers both the West Bank and Gaza, and it makes sense that the Palestinian victims of those atrocities would receive more support. That doesn&amp;#x27;t mean that all the people who care about the plight of the Palestinian population are anti-Israel (they are just not posting about it because they are likely prioritising issues).</text></item><item><author>jdross</author><text>Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms.
&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;twitter.com&amp;#x2F;antgoldbloom&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;1721561226151612602&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;twitter.com&amp;#x2F;antgoldbloom&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;1721561226151612602&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views
&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;twitter.com&amp;#x2F;committeeonccp&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;1732792434961031436&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;twitter.com&amp;#x2F;committeeonccp&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;173279243496103143...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;It also seems like these platforms create (rather than support) anti-Israeli views:
&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;twitter.com&amp;#x2F;antgoldbloom&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;1730255552738201854&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;twitter.com&amp;#x2F;antgoldbloom&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;1730255552738201854&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;US views skew pro-israel, and GenZ is closer to 50&amp;#x2F;50, so if there&amp;#x27;s something going on online, it&amp;#x27;s not in favor of Israel.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s probably relevant that there are 1 billion Muslims to 16 million Jews, and that the largest relevant population of pro-Israeli internationals is India and Indian Hindus, and they are not on TikTok (blocked in India).</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>meowface</author><text>I don&amp;#x27;t support how civilians are being treated in Palestine whatsoever, but:&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt;while condemning the massacre of civilians under the orders of Likud (and other far right parties)&lt;p&gt;When has Likud ordered massacres of civilians? Or when has any modern Israeli party? I also don&amp;#x27;t believe Likud is considered far-right in Israel; just &amp;quot;right&amp;quot;. There are parties far to the right of them. Not that that&amp;#x27;s necessarily a good thing, but it&amp;#x27;s a relative designation.</text></comment>