<story><title>&quot;What I Miss About Counterstrike&quot; - Blog authored by CSS legend JonMumm</title><url>http://eseanews.com/css/index.php?s=news&amp;d=comments&amp;id=10446</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>gwern</author><text>If I may, David Foster Wallace (as so often) said it better:&lt;p&gt;&amp;#62; “But it’s better for us not to know the kinds of sacrifices the professional-grade athlete has made to get so very good at one particular thing…the actual facts of the sacrifices repel us when we see them: basketball geniuses who cannot read, sprinters who dope themselves, defensive tackles who shoot up with bovine hormones until they collapse or explode. We prefer not to consider closely the shockingly vapid and primitive comments uttered by athletes in postcontest interviews or to consider what impoverishments in one’s mental life would allow people actually to think the way great athletes seem to think. Note the way”up close and personal&quot; profiles of professional athletes strain so hard to find evidence of a rounded human life — outside interests and activities, values beyond the sport. We ignore what’s obvious, that most of this straining is farce. It’s farce because the realities of top-level athletics today require an early and total commitment to one area of excellence. An ascetic focus. A subsumption of almost all other features of human life to one chosen talent and pursuit. A consent to live in a world that, like a child’s world, is very small…[Tennis player Michael] Joyce is, in other words, a complete man, though in a grotesquely limited way…Already, for Joyce, at twenty-two, it’s too late for anything else; he’s invested too much, is in too deep. I think he’s both lucky and unlucky. He will say he is happy and mean it. Wish him well.&quot;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.esquire.com/print-this/the-string-theory-0796?page=all&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.esquire.com/print-this/the-string-theory-0796?pag...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;(A quote I come back to on occasion, thinking about my essay &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gwern.net/The%20Melancholy%20of%20Subculture%20Society&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.gwern.net/The%20Melancholy%20of%20Subculture%20So...&lt;/a&gt; )</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>jodrellblank</author><text>&lt;i&gt;He will say he is happy and mean it. Wish him well.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;What&apos;s that supposed to mean? He will say he is happy and mean it, but really he isn&apos;t?&lt;p&gt;DFW committed suicide, I don&apos;t hold him as a great authority on what kinds of happiness are &apos;valid&apos;.</text></comment>
<story><title>&quot;What I Miss About Counterstrike&quot; - Blog authored by CSS legend JonMumm</title><url>http://eseanews.com/css/index.php?s=news&amp;d=comments&amp;id=10446</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>gwern</author><text>If I may, David Foster Wallace (as so often) said it better:&lt;p&gt;&amp;#62; “But it’s better for us not to know the kinds of sacrifices the professional-grade athlete has made to get so very good at one particular thing…the actual facts of the sacrifices repel us when we see them: basketball geniuses who cannot read, sprinters who dope themselves, defensive tackles who shoot up with bovine hormones until they collapse or explode. We prefer not to consider closely the shockingly vapid and primitive comments uttered by athletes in postcontest interviews or to consider what impoverishments in one’s mental life would allow people actually to think the way great athletes seem to think. Note the way”up close and personal&quot; profiles of professional athletes strain so hard to find evidence of a rounded human life — outside interests and activities, values beyond the sport. We ignore what’s obvious, that most of this straining is farce. It’s farce because the realities of top-level athletics today require an early and total commitment to one area of excellence. An ascetic focus. A subsumption of almost all other features of human life to one chosen talent and pursuit. A consent to live in a world that, like a child’s world, is very small…[Tennis player Michael] Joyce is, in other words, a complete man, though in a grotesquely limited way…Already, for Joyce, at twenty-two, it’s too late for anything else; he’s invested too much, is in too deep. I think he’s both lucky and unlucky. He will say he is happy and mean it. Wish him well.&quot;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.esquire.com/print-this/the-string-theory-0796?page=all&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.esquire.com/print-this/the-string-theory-0796?pag...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;(A quote I come back to on occasion, thinking about my essay &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gwern.net/The%20Melancholy%20of%20Subculture%20Society&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.gwern.net/The%20Melancholy%20of%20Subculture%20So...&lt;/a&gt; )</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>kevinalexbrown</author><text>I think the DFW was a little melodramatic here. I don&apos;t think the commitment to true excellence necessarily detracts from other possible commitments in the long run. E.g. DFW was a writer of singular ability, and he was, at various points in his life, dedicated to tennis, philosophy, and mathematics.&lt;p&gt;More to the point, the time spent being great at CS doesn&apos;t seem to have limited this guy&apos;s future ability to do things like work at a startup. While I&apos;m sure it was an unbalanced life during the period of dedication, suggesting that it&apos;s the dedication itself which reduces athletes to &quot;shockingly vapid and primitive comments&quot; goes a little far.</text></comment>