<story><title>Pseudo-public space in London</title><url>https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/jul/24/revealed-pseudo-public-space-pops-london-investigation-map</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>Kurtz79</author><text>&amp;quot;1) the settlement should not cost the tax payers money&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;What would happen if the cop responsible for the act could not cover the settlement money ?&lt;p&gt;The one affected by brutality would be doubly screwed.&lt;p&gt;The Police as a whole should be held accountable, and victims should be ensured compensation, they are by all accounts being brutalized by the state, and the state is run with taxpayers money.&lt;p&gt;Agreeing with the rest though.</text></item><item><author>avs733</author><text>&amp;gt;But then he sues, and they settle for $100,000.00.&lt;p&gt;Not really. The police decided to act like corporate lackeys and TAX PAYERS paid a $40,000 settlement to a person who was physically injured by their misconduct. There are several ways this story &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; end that are not that&lt;p&gt;1) the settlement should not cost the tax payers money&lt;p&gt;2) the cops, or at least the property owner, should pay the settlement&lt;p&gt;3) those officers should not be officers anymore AND they should be held to some level of personal responsibility for their actions&lt;p&gt;4) there should be consequences for the police brutally attacking someone who asserts their (legal in MN) right not to identify themselves to police officers</text></item><item><author>veidr</author><text>&amp;gt; It doesn&amp;#x27;t end well&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s an unpleasant story, but the &lt;i&gt;ending&lt;/i&gt; seems OK.&lt;p&gt;Cops play the role of corporate lackey (like they do everywhere, in the USA and everywhere else), treat citizen badly, with probable significant racist component, and end up shooting him with a taser and arresting him. All bad so far.&lt;p&gt;But then he sues, and they settle for $100,000.00.&lt;p&gt;That&amp;#x27;s pretty much how that story &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; end.</text></item><item><author>jccc</author><text>Immediately reminded me of this from 2014:&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.startribune.com&amp;#x2F;man-arrested-in-st-paul-skyway-sues-3-police-officers-city&amp;#x2F;282658401&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.startribune.com&amp;#x2F;man-arrested-in-st-paul-skyway-su...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;A father waiting to pick up his kids from day care sits in an ambiguously public-ish place. He refuses when an employee asks him to leave. Then the police arrive.&lt;p&gt;At that point he voluntarily gets up and starts walking away, but the cop follows him and continues pestering him to identify himself, etc.&lt;p&gt;It doesn&amp;#x27;t end well. I&amp;#x27;m sure you can guess what he looks like.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>izacus</author><text>&amp;gt; What would happen if the cop responsible for the act could not cover the settlement money ?&lt;p&gt;What happens to normal mortals when they can&amp;#x27;t pay their debts. Are policemen really so much above the law that they don&amp;#x27;t have to pay their debts either?</text></comment>
<story><title>Pseudo-public space in London</title><url>https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/jul/24/revealed-pseudo-public-space-pops-london-investigation-map</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>Kurtz79</author><text>&amp;quot;1) the settlement should not cost the tax payers money&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;What would happen if the cop responsible for the act could not cover the settlement money ?&lt;p&gt;The one affected by brutality would be doubly screwed.&lt;p&gt;The Police as a whole should be held accountable, and victims should be ensured compensation, they are by all accounts being brutalized by the state, and the state is run with taxpayers money.&lt;p&gt;Agreeing with the rest though.</text></item><item><author>avs733</author><text>&amp;gt;But then he sues, and they settle for $100,000.00.&lt;p&gt;Not really. The police decided to act like corporate lackeys and TAX PAYERS paid a $40,000 settlement to a person who was physically injured by their misconduct. There are several ways this story &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; end that are not that&lt;p&gt;1) the settlement should not cost the tax payers money&lt;p&gt;2) the cops, or at least the property owner, should pay the settlement&lt;p&gt;3) those officers should not be officers anymore AND they should be held to some level of personal responsibility for their actions&lt;p&gt;4) there should be consequences for the police brutally attacking someone who asserts their (legal in MN) right not to identify themselves to police officers</text></item><item><author>veidr</author><text>&amp;gt; It doesn&amp;#x27;t end well&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s an unpleasant story, but the &lt;i&gt;ending&lt;/i&gt; seems OK.&lt;p&gt;Cops play the role of corporate lackey (like they do everywhere, in the USA and everywhere else), treat citizen badly, with probable significant racist component, and end up shooting him with a taser and arresting him. All bad so far.&lt;p&gt;But then he sues, and they settle for $100,000.00.&lt;p&gt;That&amp;#x27;s pretty much how that story &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; end.</text></item><item><author>jccc</author><text>Immediately reminded me of this from 2014:&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.startribune.com&amp;#x2F;man-arrested-in-st-paul-skyway-sues-3-police-officers-city&amp;#x2F;282658401&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.startribune.com&amp;#x2F;man-arrested-in-st-paul-skyway-su...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;A father waiting to pick up his kids from day care sits in an ambiguously public-ish place. He refuses when an employee asks him to leave. Then the police arrive.&lt;p&gt;At that point he voluntarily gets up and starts walking away, but the cop follows him and continues pestering him to identify himself, etc.&lt;p&gt;It doesn&amp;#x27;t end well. I&amp;#x27;m sure you can guess what he looks like.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>michaelmrose</author><text>Basically the most reasonable strategy is that the employer which is the public is on the hook for the immediate cost and has the privilege and duty of recovering the money from the guilty.&lt;p&gt;This insures that the city who is guilty of hiring the miscreant ends up with the onerous duty of collection and the victim is compensated hastily.</text></comment>