<story><title>PHP has been removed in macOS Monterey</title><url>https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/681907</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>tpush</author><text>Genuine question: is there anyone (corporate or not) that cares that macOS is a certified Unix?</text></item><item><author>Stranger43</author><text>Perl is requires for apple to maintain their unix(tm) certification. And while they likely dont see it as core to what they want macos to become it would be an news story in the more sensationalist part of the IT press if they were to drop it. and big sur is still listed as certified
&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.opengroup.org&amp;#x2F;openbrand&amp;#x2F;register&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.opengroup.org&amp;#x2F;openbrand&amp;#x2F;register&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;.</text></item><item><author>darrenf</author><text>Regarding Perl, rather than removing it Apple actually &lt;i&gt;upgraded&lt;/i&gt; it – from 5.28 to 5.30 – in Big Sur 11.3. I wasn&amp;#x27;t the only one briefly surprised and bitten by it:&lt;p&gt;• &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;github.com&amp;#x2F;Homebrew&amp;#x2F;brew&amp;#x2F;issues&amp;#x2F;10127#issuecomment-828121139&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;github.com&amp;#x2F;Homebrew&amp;#x2F;brew&amp;#x2F;issues&amp;#x2F;10127#issuecomment-8...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;• &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;github.com&amp;#x2F;Homebrew&amp;#x2F;brew&amp;#x2F;issues&amp;#x2F;11275&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;github.com&amp;#x2F;Homebrew&amp;#x2F;brew&amp;#x2F;issues&amp;#x2F;11275&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>WalterGR</author><text>Xcode 11 Release Notes (&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;developer.apple.com&amp;#x2F;documentation&amp;#x2F;xcode-release-notes&amp;#x2F;xcode-11-release-notes&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;developer.apple.com&amp;#x2F;documentation&amp;#x2F;xcode-release-note...&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;Scripting language runtimes such as Python, Ruby, and Perl are included in macOS for compatibility with legacy software. In future versions of macOS, scripting language runtimes won’t be available by default, and may require you to install an additional package. If your software depends on scripting languages, it’s recommended that you bundle the runtime within the app. (49764202)&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;Found via &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;mjtsai.com&amp;#x2F;blog&amp;#x2F;2019&amp;#x2F;06&amp;#x2F;04&amp;#x2F;scripting-languages-to-be-removed&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;mjtsai.com&amp;#x2F;blog&amp;#x2F;2019&amp;#x2F;06&amp;#x2F;04&amp;#x2F;scripting-languages-to-be...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>mekster</author><text>It&amp;#x27;s still impressive that powerful command line environment and the best GUI are offered in a same OS.&lt;p&gt;Usually it&amp;#x27;s one or the other.</text></comment>
<story><title>PHP has been removed in macOS Monterey</title><url>https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/681907</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>tpush</author><text>Genuine question: is there anyone (corporate or not) that cares that macOS is a certified Unix?</text></item><item><author>Stranger43</author><text>Perl is requires for apple to maintain their unix(tm) certification. And while they likely dont see it as core to what they want macos to become it would be an news story in the more sensationalist part of the IT press if they were to drop it. and big sur is still listed as certified
&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.opengroup.org&amp;#x2F;openbrand&amp;#x2F;register&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.opengroup.org&amp;#x2F;openbrand&amp;#x2F;register&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;.</text></item><item><author>darrenf</author><text>Regarding Perl, rather than removing it Apple actually &lt;i&gt;upgraded&lt;/i&gt; it – from 5.28 to 5.30 – in Big Sur 11.3. I wasn&amp;#x27;t the only one briefly surprised and bitten by it:&lt;p&gt;• &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;github.com&amp;#x2F;Homebrew&amp;#x2F;brew&amp;#x2F;issues&amp;#x2F;10127#issuecomment-828121139&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;github.com&amp;#x2F;Homebrew&amp;#x2F;brew&amp;#x2F;issues&amp;#x2F;10127#issuecomment-8...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;• &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;github.com&amp;#x2F;Homebrew&amp;#x2F;brew&amp;#x2F;issues&amp;#x2F;11275&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;github.com&amp;#x2F;Homebrew&amp;#x2F;brew&amp;#x2F;issues&amp;#x2F;11275&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>WalterGR</author><text>Xcode 11 Release Notes (&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;developer.apple.com&amp;#x2F;documentation&amp;#x2F;xcode-release-notes&amp;#x2F;xcode-11-release-notes&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;developer.apple.com&amp;#x2F;documentation&amp;#x2F;xcode-release-note...&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;Scripting language runtimes such as Python, Ruby, and Perl are included in macOS for compatibility with legacy software. In future versions of macOS, scripting language runtimes won’t be available by default, and may require you to install an additional package. If your software depends on scripting languages, it’s recommended that you bundle the runtime within the app. (49764202)&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;Found via &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;mjtsai.com&amp;#x2F;blog&amp;#x2F;2019&amp;#x2F;06&amp;#x2F;04&amp;#x2F;scripting-languages-to-be-removed&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;mjtsai.com&amp;#x2F;blog&amp;#x2F;2019&amp;#x2F;06&amp;#x2F;04&amp;#x2F;scripting-languages-to-be...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>Stranger43</author><text>not in 2021, but apple made sort of an big deal about it when they started to market OSX 20 years ago.&lt;p&gt;And while you can still find an traditional unix(tm) box here and there in the dusty forgotten corners of enterprise serverooms(i am personally responsible for maintaining a few hpux boxen), unix(tm) certification haven&amp;#x27;t really mattered since Linux became serious business which happened around the same time OSX was launched.&lt;p&gt;What used to matter was that you could run the same CLI tooling in an macos desktop as on an Linux server but i don&amp;#x27;t think this is an use case apple see&amp;#x27;s as particularly important for the future success of Apple.</text></comment>