<story><title>Canada to make online hate speech a crime punishable by fine</title><url>https://gizmodo.com/canada-to-make-online-hate-speech-a-crime-punishable-by-1847163213</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>neartheplain</author><text>I suspect anti-white speech would not be considered hate speech according to the YMCA of Canada. An &amp;quot;intersectional equity lens&amp;quot; often implies the redefinition as racism as racism-plus-power, viewing all whites as empowered and all non-whites as oppressed.&lt;p&gt;We know anti-white speech can and does incite violence, as it did last week in Daytona Beach:&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;twitter.com&amp;#x2F;gwupoe&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;1409137548899893251&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;twitter.com&amp;#x2F;gwupoe&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;1409137548899893251&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;It can also incite white identity politics, which to me is the much bigger problem caused by this sort of law.</text></item><item><author>Animats</author><text>This is bad. The bill does not define &amp;quot;hate speech&amp;quot;; that&amp;#x27;s left for later administrative determination. All we have so far is “expresses detestation or vilification of a person or group on the basis of a prohibited ground of discrimination.”&lt;p&gt;Combining &amp;quot;detestation&amp;quot; (&amp;quot;I don&amp;#x27;t like you&amp;quot;) with vilification (&amp;quot;You&amp;#x27;re evil&amp;quot;) is a concern. The first is legitimate opinion. The second is defamation. For which truth is a defense under US law.&lt;p&gt;The committee report that fed into this bill [1] is scary. &amp;quot;Finding that certain expression falls within political speech does not close off the enquiry into whether the expression constitutes hate speech.&amp;quot;[2] This is at least in part about suppressing political speech on certain issues.&lt;p&gt;YMCA of Canada proposed a definition: &amp;quot;integrate an intersectional gender equity lens and consider the gendered impacts of anti-Black racism, anti-Indigenous racism, anti-Semitism, Islamophobia and Xenophobia in any definition of “hate” and “online hate”&amp;quot;. Think of trying to defend against a claim of that in court.&lt;p&gt;The Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs proposed the IHRA definition of antisemitism, the one that includes some kinds of criticism of the Israeli government.[3]&lt;p&gt;This isn&amp;#x27;t classic hate speech, intended to incite people to violence. Such as &amp;quot;Hang Mike Pence&amp;quot;. This is far, far broader.&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.ourcommons.ca&amp;#x2F;DocumentViewer&amp;#x2F;en&amp;#x2F;42-1&amp;#x2F;JUST&amp;#x2F;report-29&amp;#x2F;page-57#11&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.ourcommons.ca&amp;#x2F;DocumentViewer&amp;#x2F;en&amp;#x2F;42-1&amp;#x2F;JUST&amp;#x2F;report...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;[2] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;scc-csc.lexum.com&amp;#x2F;scc-csc&amp;#x2F;scc-csc&amp;#x2F;en&amp;#x2F;item&amp;#x2F;12876&amp;#x2F;index.do?q=whatcott&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;scc-csc.lexum.com&amp;#x2F;scc-csc&amp;#x2F;scc-csc&amp;#x2F;en&amp;#x2F;item&amp;#x2F;12876&amp;#x2F;inde...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;[3] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.jta.org&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;01&amp;#x2F;15&amp;#x2F;global&amp;#x2F;the-ihra-definition-of-anti-semitism-and-why-people-are-fighting-over-it-explained&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.jta.org&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;01&amp;#x2F;15&amp;#x2F;global&amp;#x2F;the-ihra-definition-of...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>prvc</author><text>&amp;gt;§ 15.1 Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt;§ 15.2 Subsection (1) does not preclude any law, program or activity that has as its object the amelioration of conditions of disadvantaged individuals or groups including those that are disadvantaged because of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.&lt;p&gt;Indeed, this is covered by the Charter. Confer with &amp;quot;All animals are equal&amp;#x2F; But some etc.&amp;quot;</text></comment>
<story><title>Canada to make online hate speech a crime punishable by fine</title><url>https://gizmodo.com/canada-to-make-online-hate-speech-a-crime-punishable-by-1847163213</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>neartheplain</author><text>I suspect anti-white speech would not be considered hate speech according to the YMCA of Canada. An &amp;quot;intersectional equity lens&amp;quot; often implies the redefinition as racism as racism-plus-power, viewing all whites as empowered and all non-whites as oppressed.&lt;p&gt;We know anti-white speech can and does incite violence, as it did last week in Daytona Beach:&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;twitter.com&amp;#x2F;gwupoe&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;1409137548899893251&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;twitter.com&amp;#x2F;gwupoe&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;1409137548899893251&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;It can also incite white identity politics, which to me is the much bigger problem caused by this sort of law.</text></item><item><author>Animats</author><text>This is bad. The bill does not define &amp;quot;hate speech&amp;quot;; that&amp;#x27;s left for later administrative determination. All we have so far is “expresses detestation or vilification of a person or group on the basis of a prohibited ground of discrimination.”&lt;p&gt;Combining &amp;quot;detestation&amp;quot; (&amp;quot;I don&amp;#x27;t like you&amp;quot;) with vilification (&amp;quot;You&amp;#x27;re evil&amp;quot;) is a concern. The first is legitimate opinion. The second is defamation. For which truth is a defense under US law.&lt;p&gt;The committee report that fed into this bill [1] is scary. &amp;quot;Finding that certain expression falls within political speech does not close off the enquiry into whether the expression constitutes hate speech.&amp;quot;[2] This is at least in part about suppressing political speech on certain issues.&lt;p&gt;YMCA of Canada proposed a definition: &amp;quot;integrate an intersectional gender equity lens and consider the gendered impacts of anti-Black racism, anti-Indigenous racism, anti-Semitism, Islamophobia and Xenophobia in any definition of “hate” and “online hate”&amp;quot;. Think of trying to defend against a claim of that in court.&lt;p&gt;The Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs proposed the IHRA definition of antisemitism, the one that includes some kinds of criticism of the Israeli government.[3]&lt;p&gt;This isn&amp;#x27;t classic hate speech, intended to incite people to violence. Such as &amp;quot;Hang Mike Pence&amp;quot;. This is far, far broader.&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.ourcommons.ca&amp;#x2F;DocumentViewer&amp;#x2F;en&amp;#x2F;42-1&amp;#x2F;JUST&amp;#x2F;report-29&amp;#x2F;page-57#11&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.ourcommons.ca&amp;#x2F;DocumentViewer&amp;#x2F;en&amp;#x2F;42-1&amp;#x2F;JUST&amp;#x2F;report...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;[2] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;scc-csc.lexum.com&amp;#x2F;scc-csc&amp;#x2F;scc-csc&amp;#x2F;en&amp;#x2F;item&amp;#x2F;12876&amp;#x2F;index.do?q=whatcott&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;scc-csc.lexum.com&amp;#x2F;scc-csc&amp;#x2F;scc-csc&amp;#x2F;en&amp;#x2F;item&amp;#x2F;12876&amp;#x2F;inde...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;[3] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.jta.org&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;01&amp;#x2F;15&amp;#x2F;global&amp;#x2F;the-ihra-definition-of-anti-semitism-and-why-people-are-fighting-over-it-explained&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.jta.org&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;01&amp;#x2F;15&amp;#x2F;global&amp;#x2F;the-ihra-definition-of...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>TMWNN</author><text>&amp;gt;It can also incite white identity politics, which to me is the much bigger problem caused by this sort of law.&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;Part of left&amp;#x27;s problem is it expects&amp;#x2F;demands blacks&amp;#x2F;hispanics to vote on ethnic basis but is appalled when whites do&amp;quot; (&amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;twitter.com&amp;#x2F;JYDenham&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;796345533124186113&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;twitter.com&amp;#x2F;JYDenham&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;796345533124186113&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;)</text></comment>