<story><title>Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen</title><url>http://www.deepdotweb.com/2014/02/13/silk-road-2-hacked-bitcoins-stolen-unknown-amount/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>tolmasky</author><text>I think you have a deep misunderstanding of libertarianism (which is your right of course). Libertarians don&amp;#x27;t necessarily not believe in laws, they simply don&amp;#x27;t believe in a monopoly of laws and law enforcers. This is kind of the whole point. Its clear that in your world view &amp;quot;justice&amp;quot; is somehow inexorably tied to government, but there others that disagree (which leads to your confusion in thinking that because someone asks for justice he is necessarily asking for government).&lt;p&gt;To illustrate this a bit better, perhaps using an example that you probably agree with Libertarians on: just because libertarians believe drugs should not be illegal, does not necessarily mean they believe drug use shouldn&amp;#x27;t be discouraged or treated. It is not hypocritical to fight for drug decriminalization but then seek rehabilitation programs for your drug addicted friends. That is in no way acquiescing to the need for drug control -- it is using a &lt;i&gt;different&lt;/i&gt; tactic to fight a problem both sides may very well agree exists.&lt;p&gt;Similarly, it is not hypocritical to want the government to stay out of currencies, but still want a method of punishing thieves. You may believe other methods don&amp;#x27;t work (just like there are a lot of red voters who think its naive to think not putting drug users in jails works), but that doesn&amp;#x27;t make the other position inconsistent.</text></item><item><author>zedshaw</author><text>This is seriously the most hilarious thing I have read in a long time.  Here we have a group of objectivist libertarians who believe that there should be effectively no laws other than the law of economics and self-interest who run an illegal website devoted to the pure greed of cashing in on contraband, and this is what they write:&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;I’ve included transaction logs at the bottom of this message. Review the vendor’s dishonest actions and use whatever means you deem necessary to bring this person to justice.&amp;quot;  We need the government! Please, come find the guy who took all of our illegal drug money and give it back to us so we can continue to say you aren&amp;#x27;t necessary.&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;Given the right flavor of influence from our community, we can only hope that he will decide to return the coins with integrity as opposed to hiding like a coward.&amp;quot; Yes, you bad guy, you should do the right thing and think of the community not your self-interests by giving back your illegal gains back to the guy named Dead Pirate Roberts (that&amp;#x27;s totally his real name).&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;Whoever you are, you still have a chance to act in the interest of helping this community.&amp;quot; In the interest of the community?! Bwahahahaa!&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;I will fight here by your side, even the greedy bastards amongst us.&amp;quot; Like &lt;i&gt;everyone&lt;/i&gt; on the site?!&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;The only way to reverse a community’s greed is through generosity.&amp;quot; Just like Ayn Rand said my brothers!&lt;p&gt;Then I come here and not a single person on here even notices the massive hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness.  Amazing.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>EGreg</author><text>I believe I can make the gloating rant a bit more precise.&lt;p&gt;ANARCHO CAPITALISTS say that we don&amp;#x27;t need government for anything and the private market will provide it. True, with  smart contracts the theft is infeasible, but it was not always so. These exchanges didn&amp;#x27;t use smart contracts. And there are other crimes than theft of bitcoins.&lt;p&gt;When crimes occur the question is, who considers them crimes? Appealing to the person to PUT THE COMMUNTY AHEAD OF THEIR SELF INTEREST kind of admits that the system failed a whole community which got screwed by an individual.&lt;p&gt;As for MINARCHISTS, they always have a copout that they want SOME government. But it&amp;#x27;s not clear how much or what it should do. Everyone has a different idea or no idea. And even minarchists and Objectivists tout the self reliance and the individual over the community. So why should this individual give stuff back? It was their fault for not securing their site properly. The individual can only be punished BY someone, and then it becomes communities hunting individuals.</text></comment>
<story><title>Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen</title><url>http://www.deepdotweb.com/2014/02/13/silk-road-2-hacked-bitcoins-stolen-unknown-amount/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>tolmasky</author><text>I think you have a deep misunderstanding of libertarianism (which is your right of course). Libertarians don&amp;#x27;t necessarily not believe in laws, they simply don&amp;#x27;t believe in a monopoly of laws and law enforcers. This is kind of the whole point. Its clear that in your world view &amp;quot;justice&amp;quot; is somehow inexorably tied to government, but there others that disagree (which leads to your confusion in thinking that because someone asks for justice he is necessarily asking for government).&lt;p&gt;To illustrate this a bit better, perhaps using an example that you probably agree with Libertarians on: just because libertarians believe drugs should not be illegal, does not necessarily mean they believe drug use shouldn&amp;#x27;t be discouraged or treated. It is not hypocritical to fight for drug decriminalization but then seek rehabilitation programs for your drug addicted friends. That is in no way acquiescing to the need for drug control -- it is using a &lt;i&gt;different&lt;/i&gt; tactic to fight a problem both sides may very well agree exists.&lt;p&gt;Similarly, it is not hypocritical to want the government to stay out of currencies, but still want a method of punishing thieves. You may believe other methods don&amp;#x27;t work (just like there are a lot of red voters who think its naive to think not putting drug users in jails works), but that doesn&amp;#x27;t make the other position inconsistent.</text></item><item><author>zedshaw</author><text>This is seriously the most hilarious thing I have read in a long time.  Here we have a group of objectivist libertarians who believe that there should be effectively no laws other than the law of economics and self-interest who run an illegal website devoted to the pure greed of cashing in on contraband, and this is what they write:&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;I’ve included transaction logs at the bottom of this message. Review the vendor’s dishonest actions and use whatever means you deem necessary to bring this person to justice.&amp;quot;  We need the government! Please, come find the guy who took all of our illegal drug money and give it back to us so we can continue to say you aren&amp;#x27;t necessary.&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;Given the right flavor of influence from our community, we can only hope that he will decide to return the coins with integrity as opposed to hiding like a coward.&amp;quot; Yes, you bad guy, you should do the right thing and think of the community not your self-interests by giving back your illegal gains back to the guy named Dead Pirate Roberts (that&amp;#x27;s totally his real name).&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;Whoever you are, you still have a chance to act in the interest of helping this community.&amp;quot; In the interest of the community?! Bwahahahaa!&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;I will fight here by your side, even the greedy bastards amongst us.&amp;quot; Like &lt;i&gt;everyone&lt;/i&gt; on the site?!&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;The only way to reverse a community’s greed is through generosity.&amp;quot; Just like Ayn Rand said my brothers!&lt;p&gt;Then I come here and not a single person on here even notices the massive hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness.  Amazing.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>ewoodrich</author><text>So if some group decided I was a criminal by their standards (say if I insulted them on the street, or something), they could come to my home in the night and summarily execute me?</text></comment>