<story><title>Ban on Tenure for New Faculty Hires Passes Texas Senate</title><url>https://www.chronicle.com/article/ban-on-tenure-for-new-faculty-hires-passes-texas-senate</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>ok_dad</author><text>Tenured researchers shouldn&amp;#x27;t be teaching, IMO. They can be doing research full-time, and leave teaching to those who care to teach. I, personally, dislike research, but I would love to become a CompSci professor and teach the next generation of software developers and technologists. The problem is, I do NOT want to do research. Give me a Master&amp;#x27;s in CS with some sort of &amp;quot;teaching extension&amp;quot; on it and I&amp;#x27;ll go teach and the researchers can go do important work researching!&lt;p&gt;Edit: for the upper division courses, researchers certainly should have some involvement, I agree with several of you on that point!</text></item><item><author>orange_joe</author><text>I’m skeptical that tenure is good for students, I knew so many teachers that just didn’t much care for their work and probably would have been fired if not for tenure. I understand the arguments in favor of tenure, particularly when it comes to recruitment, but given the bloated pipeline into academia, I’m not sure they hold.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>noisenotsignal</author><text>My university had lecturers that were precisely this (masters in CS, focused on teaching intro undergrad courses).&lt;p&gt;However, I think there is still a lot of benefit from having researchers teach upper level courses. Firsthand experience in research brings an additional dimension that can be appreciated by students who are beyond the introductory level.&lt;p&gt;There are also tenured professors who are good at both research and teaching!</text></comment>
<story><title>Ban on Tenure for New Faculty Hires Passes Texas Senate</title><url>https://www.chronicle.com/article/ban-on-tenure-for-new-faculty-hires-passes-texas-senate</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>ok_dad</author><text>Tenured researchers shouldn&amp;#x27;t be teaching, IMO. They can be doing research full-time, and leave teaching to those who care to teach. I, personally, dislike research, but I would love to become a CompSci professor and teach the next generation of software developers and technologists. The problem is, I do NOT want to do research. Give me a Master&amp;#x27;s in CS with some sort of &amp;quot;teaching extension&amp;quot; on it and I&amp;#x27;ll go teach and the researchers can go do important work researching!&lt;p&gt;Edit: for the upper division courses, researchers certainly should have some involvement, I agree with several of you on that point!</text></item><item><author>orange_joe</author><text>I’m skeptical that tenure is good for students, I knew so many teachers that just didn’t much care for their work and probably would have been fired if not for tenure. I understand the arguments in favor of tenure, particularly when it comes to recruitment, but given the bloated pipeline into academia, I’m not sure they hold.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>usrusr</author><text>I believe that this is yet another case of middle ground being the best: leave the bulk of teaching to specialists, but keep the research professors doing courses close to their actual field. Don&amp;#x27;t underestimate how educative teaching can be for the teacher. But this is certainly no big insight. Or are there places that do not, at least to some amount, do it like this?</text></comment>