<story><title>Ian Jackson Resigns from Debian Technical Committee</title><url>https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/11/msg00091.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>danieldk</author><text>You missed some:&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://lwn.net/Articles/621895/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;lwn.net&amp;#x2F;Articles&amp;#x2F;621895&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;https://lwn.net/Articles/621003/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;lwn.net&amp;#x2F;Articles&amp;#x2F;621003&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;https://lwn.net/Articles/620879/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;lwn.net&amp;#x2F;Articles&amp;#x2F;620879&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;https://lwn.net/Articles/620878/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;lwn.net&amp;#x2F;Articles&amp;#x2F;620878&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;https://lwn.net/Articles/619749/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;lwn.net&amp;#x2F;Articles&amp;#x2F;619749&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;They are related in the sense that are all fall-out of the struggle to integrate or block systemd in Debian and&amp;#x2F;or how it exposed some problems with the Debian constitution.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s a shame to see that so much talent is lost and frustrated over what in my eyes seems to be a small issue. systemd and Upstart are both a large improvement over the System V init scripts. So, it&amp;#x27;s quite logical that it should be replaced at some point. Since systemd seems to have the most traction in other major distributions and upstream software, it makes sense to make that the default, while making it still possible to switch to Upstart et al. if someone wants to (at the risk of losing support for some upstream software).&lt;p&gt;If it turns out in three years that systemd is a dead-end, rip it out, and use whatever is better then. Distributions did that with devfs, the old hotplug scripts, egcs (which was merged back in mainline), etc.</text></item><item><author>privong</author><text>Can someone provide context for this? I am not familiar with Debian and do not know the back-story.&lt;p&gt;Also, I assume this is not directly related to the recent resignation[0] of Heen. But does the resignation of two people (whose resignations were deemed worthy of being voted to near the top of the HN front page) within a few day span suggest concernening structural issues or is this just poisson statistics at work?&lt;p&gt;[0] &lt;a href=&quot;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8617874&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&amp;#x2F;item?id=8617874&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>zaphar</author><text>I get the impression which is admittedly informed by very cursory examination of the issues that ripping systemd out may be far more difficult than ripping say, Upstart. Systemd seems to have taken the approach of owning far more than just the Systemv init stuff and that removing it might entail sweeping changes to huge parts of a linux distribution. Systemd does seem to be pushing somewhat of a lock-in strategy and for many in the linux community that rubs them the wrong way.&lt;p&gt;Personally I don&amp;#x27;t really care much either way.</text></comment>
<story><title>Ian Jackson Resigns from Debian Technical Committee</title><url>https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/11/msg00091.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>danieldk</author><text>You missed some:&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://lwn.net/Articles/621895/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;lwn.net&amp;#x2F;Articles&amp;#x2F;621895&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;https://lwn.net/Articles/621003/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;lwn.net&amp;#x2F;Articles&amp;#x2F;621003&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;https://lwn.net/Articles/620879/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;lwn.net&amp;#x2F;Articles&amp;#x2F;620879&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;https://lwn.net/Articles/620878/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;lwn.net&amp;#x2F;Articles&amp;#x2F;620878&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;https://lwn.net/Articles/619749/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;lwn.net&amp;#x2F;Articles&amp;#x2F;619749&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;They are related in the sense that are all fall-out of the struggle to integrate or block systemd in Debian and&amp;#x2F;or how it exposed some problems with the Debian constitution.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s a shame to see that so much talent is lost and frustrated over what in my eyes seems to be a small issue. systemd and Upstart are both a large improvement over the System V init scripts. So, it&amp;#x27;s quite logical that it should be replaced at some point. Since systemd seems to have the most traction in other major distributions and upstream software, it makes sense to make that the default, while making it still possible to switch to Upstart et al. if someone wants to (at the risk of losing support for some upstream software).&lt;p&gt;If it turns out in three years that systemd is a dead-end, rip it out, and use whatever is better then. Distributions did that with devfs, the old hotplug scripts, egcs (which was merged back in mainline), etc.</text></item><item><author>privong</author><text>Can someone provide context for this? I am not familiar with Debian and do not know the back-story.&lt;p&gt;Also, I assume this is not directly related to the recent resignation[0] of Heen. But does the resignation of two people (whose resignations were deemed worthy of being voted to near the top of the HN front page) within a few day span suggest concernening structural issues or is this just poisson statistics at work?&lt;p&gt;[0] &lt;a href=&quot;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8617874&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&amp;#x2F;item?id=8617874&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>Shish2k</author><text>I&amp;#x27;m starting to wonder if this is a problem with modern culture in general -- all over the place I&amp;#x27;m seeing less &amp;quot;let&amp;#x27;s try our different approaches and see who has the best end result&amp;quot; and more &amp;quot;I will rape you to death with a flaming donkey for not running your project my way&amp;quot;. It&amp;#x27;s like nobody wants to do any work to demonstrate that their way is superior, they just want to sit back and bitch about how the other way is inferior, until the other team gives up and our overall result is nothing :-&amp;#x2F;&lt;p&gt;(See also: both sides on pretty much any political issue in the past few years)</text></comment>