<story><title>Germans decry influence of English as &apos;idiot&apos;s apostrophe&apos; gets approval</title><url>https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/07/germany-influence-of-english-idiots-apostrophe</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>crazygringo</author><text>The article doesn&amp;#x27;t mention it, but am I right in assuming this basically comes from McDonald&amp;#x27;s? There are a lot of places around the world that copy the &amp;quot;&amp;#x27;s&amp;quot; where it doesn&amp;#x27;t exist natively, but &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; for restaurant names or similar -- like &amp;quot;Bob&amp;#x27;s&amp;quot; is the McDonald&amp;#x27;s clone in Brazil [1].&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;m mostly curious whether &amp;quot;Rosi&amp;#x27;s&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Kati&amp;#x27;s&amp;quot; in the article are seen by Germans as intentionally &lt;i&gt;trying&lt;/i&gt; to look &amp;quot;foreign&amp;quot;, rather than the apostrophe &amp;quot;invading&amp;quot; German.&lt;p&gt;Like, if I go to a Sausage Haus, I&amp;#x27;m not exactly worrying about &amp;quot;Haus&amp;quot; creeping into English to replace &amp;quot;House&amp;quot;. Nor would I ever call it the &amp;quot;idiot&amp;#x27;s house&amp;quot; because that would be crazy insulting and perjorative.&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Bob%27s&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Bob%27s&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>chromanoid</author><text>I would say &amp;quot;Kati&amp;#x27;s Ecke&amp;quot; (urks)  should look modern (and fails at that, looks like cargo cult to me) or is an unintentional error of the owner because they don&amp;#x27;t know better (maybe obligatory English lessons in school compromised the actual rules of German). I am sure it doesn&amp;#x27;t look exotic to most Germans. We actually use the apostrophe in cases where adding the possessive s is problematic. E.g. &amp;quot;Felix&amp;#x27; Ecke&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;There is a very ugly mix of German and English we call Denglish in German.&lt;p&gt;And there are many &amp;quot;English sounding&amp;quot; things that are not English or also a horrible mix up for marketing purposes.&lt;p&gt;E.g. Handy for smartphone. It doesn&amp;#x27;t look exotic, but English which is usually considered to be something modern.&lt;p&gt;And then there is a similar concept as the Idiotenapostroph which is the Deppenleerzeichen which is a space between combined words that are usually and famously not separated by space in correct German.&lt;p&gt;All those things are usually used in amateurish marketing and look just like that to the average German grammar enthusiast.&lt;p&gt;On the other hand especially in many professional fields English conquers the professional slang with gusto of the participants. A very hilarious take on such Denglish for software developers: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;m.youtube.com&amp;#x2F;watch?v=c2V4bOL1jgM&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;m.youtube.com&amp;#x2F;watch?v=c2V4bOL1jgM&lt;/a&gt;</text></comment>
<story><title>Germans decry influence of English as &apos;idiot&apos;s apostrophe&apos; gets approval</title><url>https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/07/germany-influence-of-english-idiots-apostrophe</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>crazygringo</author><text>The article doesn&amp;#x27;t mention it, but am I right in assuming this basically comes from McDonald&amp;#x27;s? There are a lot of places around the world that copy the &amp;quot;&amp;#x27;s&amp;quot; where it doesn&amp;#x27;t exist natively, but &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; for restaurant names or similar -- like &amp;quot;Bob&amp;#x27;s&amp;quot; is the McDonald&amp;#x27;s clone in Brazil [1].&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;m mostly curious whether &amp;quot;Rosi&amp;#x27;s&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Kati&amp;#x27;s&amp;quot; in the article are seen by Germans as intentionally &lt;i&gt;trying&lt;/i&gt; to look &amp;quot;foreign&amp;quot;, rather than the apostrophe &amp;quot;invading&amp;quot; German.&lt;p&gt;Like, if I go to a Sausage Haus, I&amp;#x27;m not exactly worrying about &amp;quot;Haus&amp;quot; creeping into English to replace &amp;quot;House&amp;quot;. Nor would I ever call it the &amp;quot;idiot&amp;#x27;s house&amp;quot; because that would be crazy insulting and perjorative.&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Bob%27s&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Bob%27s&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>int_19h</author><text>In Russian, the name of the restaurant did include the final &amp;quot;s&amp;quot;, but without the  apostrophe, so I don&amp;#x27;t think that&amp;#x27;s consistent.&lt;p&gt;Note though that in German, &amp;quot;-s&amp;quot; is also a genitive suffix, it&amp;#x27;s just the spelling that&amp;#x27;s different here.</text></comment>