<story><title>FreeBSD 10.3</title><url>https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-announce/2016-April/001713.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>kev009</author><text>Where did you see that WhatsApp is converting to Linux?  At MeetBSD Rick Reed claimed they had full autonomy from Facebook on that kind of thing (&lt;a href=&quot;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.slideshare.net&amp;#x2F;iXsystems&amp;#x2F;rick-reed-600-m-unsuspecting-freebsd-users&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.slideshare.net&amp;#x2F;iXsystems&amp;#x2F;rick-reed-600-m-unsuspec...&lt;/a&gt;), and FB was looking at them to learn how they did so much with so little engineers and servers.&lt;p&gt;Netflix is doing 100Gbit HTTP and &amp;gt; 60Gbit HTTPS on a single socket Xeon E5 with FreeBSD.  These servers are about 1&amp;#x2F;3 North American Internet by volume.  In comparison to OCA team their AWS team sounds like a total tire fire to me in terms of engineer count and monthly spend.&lt;p&gt;I run the OS team at Limelight Networks, one of the largest CDNs.  We can peak beyond 10Tbit&amp;#x2F;s on our current network and have to deal with a more demanding&amp;#x2F;unknown workload compared to NF OCA.  This is all courtesy of FreeBSD.  My entire management chain agrees that the cost of entry is lower to influencing and driving development in FreeBSD vs other kernels, and we collaborate with the other well known players on projects that are mutually beneficial such as TCP and filesystems.&lt;p&gt;Companies switching from FreeBSD to Linux usually are victim of the decision from bad VP-level management looking for a scapegoat rather than solving actual business and culture problems.  Yahoo began transitioning to RHEL in 2005 and AFAIK are still at least two years from conceivably being off of FreeBSD.  A 12 year _free_ OS transition is an embarrassing use of engineering effort and total management failure.&lt;p&gt;There are a lot of companies satisfied with FreeBSD, especially in the appliance space and small business, but they are not vocal because it just works and is often rebranded.</text></item><item><author>ksec</author><text>An Honest question, which of the large Startup &amp;#x2F; Internet Giant are using BSD? Whether it is FreeBSD or OpenBSD or others.&lt;p&gt;Judging from some previous Facebook post, it is likely Whatsapp will be moving to linux based as well instead of on FreeBSD. Yahoo used to be a FreeBSD shop, but Marisa Mayer has since converted all to Linux. Microsoft had some FreeBSD long ago but has since converted all to Windows or Linux. The only FreeBSD on Netflix are their Open Connect Appliance, their main AWS instances, which is the majority of their servers are all Linux. Both Cisco and Juniper are using less FreeBSD as we speak. Even Apple, with many parts of their OS based on FreeBSD, are using Linux for iCloud as well.&lt;p&gt;So who is using BSD?</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>VLM</author><text>Based on your HN username, you&amp;#x27;re probably not the guy who did the presentation at BSDCan 2015 on the topic of &amp;quot;FreeBSD Operations at Limelight Networks, An Overview of Operating at Internet Scale&amp;quot;.  Regardless, that was a good and influential presentation, worth the time to google and watch.&lt;p&gt;I think that specific presentation would answer a lot of OPs questions, probably faster and more accurately than a web discussion board.  I got a lot of good ideas from that presentation about freebsd deployment at my workplace.  Specifically I seem to recall something along the lines of, its 2016 so start using zabbix instead of nagios, which was pretty good advice, or at least its been interesting to experiment with so far.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;d extend the remarks from the presentation that much as its possible to write Perl in any language, its possible to do everything linux-style but with a freebsd kernel, whereas the real benefits grow when things start smelling more freebsd-ish and less linux-ish.  For example the *bsds are much closer to the proven successful unix philosophy of architecture and design, whereas the linuxes in general have been slowly generally moving away from that successful architecture.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;d throw out a semi-dissenting opinion that freebsd use is much like whiteboard algo interview questions... even if it has nothing to do with the job or problem, the folks who can do it, are of a class above the folks who can&amp;#x27;t, so naturally the average freebsd admin being considerably more inherently skilled than the average linux admin results in freebsd deployments requiring 1&amp;#x2F;10th the number of sysadmin-hours etc etc.  There are actual technical improvements and architectural benefits to freebsd, but the main contributor of the often reported 10x benefit to freebsd is the skill, experience, and raw horsepower of the generally superior users.  If freebsd were as popular as linux, that would disappear and freebsd users would only be maybe 2x as productive as linux instead of the existing 10x figures.  Naturally the guy writing a playbook for ansible will be much more productive than the guy trying to use the gnome GUI to do sysadmin-ish stuff, but there&amp;#x27;s nothing inherently bsd-ish or linux-ish about it.&lt;p&gt;(edited to add, yes, i336_, that is exactly the video I recommend)</text></comment>
<story><title>FreeBSD 10.3</title><url>https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-announce/2016-April/001713.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>kev009</author><text>Where did you see that WhatsApp is converting to Linux?  At MeetBSD Rick Reed claimed they had full autonomy from Facebook on that kind of thing (&lt;a href=&quot;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.slideshare.net&amp;#x2F;iXsystems&amp;#x2F;rick-reed-600-m-unsuspecting-freebsd-users&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.slideshare.net&amp;#x2F;iXsystems&amp;#x2F;rick-reed-600-m-unsuspec...&lt;/a&gt;), and FB was looking at them to learn how they did so much with so little engineers and servers.&lt;p&gt;Netflix is doing 100Gbit HTTP and &amp;gt; 60Gbit HTTPS on a single socket Xeon E5 with FreeBSD.  These servers are about 1&amp;#x2F;3 North American Internet by volume.  In comparison to OCA team their AWS team sounds like a total tire fire to me in terms of engineer count and monthly spend.&lt;p&gt;I run the OS team at Limelight Networks, one of the largest CDNs.  We can peak beyond 10Tbit&amp;#x2F;s on our current network and have to deal with a more demanding&amp;#x2F;unknown workload compared to NF OCA.  This is all courtesy of FreeBSD.  My entire management chain agrees that the cost of entry is lower to influencing and driving development in FreeBSD vs other kernels, and we collaborate with the other well known players on projects that are mutually beneficial such as TCP and filesystems.&lt;p&gt;Companies switching from FreeBSD to Linux usually are victim of the decision from bad VP-level management looking for a scapegoat rather than solving actual business and culture problems.  Yahoo began transitioning to RHEL in 2005 and AFAIK are still at least two years from conceivably being off of FreeBSD.  A 12 year _free_ OS transition is an embarrassing use of engineering effort and total management failure.&lt;p&gt;There are a lot of companies satisfied with FreeBSD, especially in the appliance space and small business, but they are not vocal because it just works and is often rebranded.</text></item><item><author>ksec</author><text>An Honest question, which of the large Startup &amp;#x2F; Internet Giant are using BSD? Whether it is FreeBSD or OpenBSD or others.&lt;p&gt;Judging from some previous Facebook post, it is likely Whatsapp will be moving to linux based as well instead of on FreeBSD. Yahoo used to be a FreeBSD shop, but Marisa Mayer has since converted all to Linux. Microsoft had some FreeBSD long ago but has since converted all to Windows or Linux. The only FreeBSD on Netflix are their Open Connect Appliance, their main AWS instances, which is the majority of their servers are all Linux. Both Cisco and Juniper are using less FreeBSD as we speak. Even Apple, with many parts of their OS based on FreeBSD, are using Linux for iCloud as well.&lt;p&gt;So who is using BSD?</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>keithpeter</author><text>Most interesting, thanks for commenting. This phrase caught my eye...&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;&amp;quot;My entire management chain agrees that the cost of entry is lower to influencing and driving development in FreeBSD vs other kernels [...]&amp;quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;Is that simply a reflection of the smaller size of the FreeBSD project or does it stem from the &amp;#x27;tight core&amp;#x27; model where the kernel and base system are co-developed?</text></comment>