<story><title>Ask HN: Do you hate software engineering but love programming?</title><text>I have come to a realization that I don&amp;#x27;t really enjoy Software Engineering(&amp;amp; the processes that it comes with) but I do love programming &amp;amp; solving problems.&lt;p&gt;Finding and fixing bugs is a lot of fun. Incidence response is a lot of fun. Hacking on new projects is a lot of fun. Writing unit tests is fun too.&lt;p&gt;Refactoring, rewriting, sprint, agile, rearchitecting things etc aren&amp;#x27;t that fun. I like a few languages and I am not too keen on learning new paradigms or languages unless I have to. I&amp;#x27;d rather get to value now by making something that just works(and is adequately tested) than engineer something thats future proof but takes longer to get out.&lt;p&gt;What are some good jobs for a person like this?</text></story><parent_chain><item><author>peoplefromibiza</author><text>[flagged]</text></item><item><author>schrodinger</author><text>There&amp;#x27;s a slight implication because it only covers men that women are the source of unhappiness (e.g. the nagging wife trope), but I agree it&amp;#x27;s trivial and likely unintentional. Agree with sibling, just as applicable as &amp;quot;happy married people are happy partners, unhappily married people are great philosophers&amp;quot;.</text></item><item><author>massinstall</author><text>Why is this saying misogynistic?&lt;p&gt;Because it’s a statement about men or because of the implied  possibility they could be unhappy in their marriage?&lt;p&gt;Also, why is it horrible?&lt;p&gt;It appears this world has become manically trigger-happy to label something as &lt;i&gt;-ist or &lt;/i&gt;-istic, when it contains even only a hint of something someone could possibly understand the wrong way.&lt;p&gt;It would be curious to examine in a psychological study if this reinforced behavior has developed more due to a subtle social reward system for the “labelers”, or due to a punishment system for the “non-labelers”.</text></item><item><author>kraig911</author><text>1000x times this. It&amp;#x27;s a weird thing our profession. There&amp;#x27;s a horrible but apt (misogynistic even)  saying. Happily married men are happy husbands - Unhappily married men are great philosophers. I really feel agile has killed the happiness of our industry because it&amp;#x27;s met with a lot of back and forth, meetings, rituals, and meta-work and not actual productivity (If agile is done well though it can be amazing but that&amp;#x27;s another topic to me)</text></item><item><author>PragmaticPulp</author><text>&amp;gt; I have come to a realization that I don&amp;#x27;t really enjoy Software Engineering(&amp;amp; the processes that it comes with) but I do love programming &amp;amp; solving problems.&lt;p&gt;I can almost guarantee that you’re just at the wrong company.&lt;p&gt;Some software companies can turn even the simplest tasks into a grueling series of processes, endless meetings, and joint work across a big number of “stakeholders”. These companies will take the joy and productivity out of programming and replace it with a series of rituals and set of language that people use to go through the motions every week so they can collect paychecks.&lt;p&gt;Start interviewing around. Talk to your network. Find a company that values programming and real productivity but discourages unnecessary meetings and process. You will be much happier. There is no escaping the fact that you’ll have to work on legacy code, document your work, and meet with people some times. However, it doesn’t have to be a miserable process-filled slog.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>feoren</author><text>You&amp;#x27;re clearly passionate about something here, but it&amp;#x27;s not totally clear what it is or why. It might be interesting to read what you have to say, but you need to chill, organize your thoughts, and stop calling other posters idiots for disagreeing with you. Right now it feels like we&amp;#x27;re catching half of an angry shower argument against someone who&amp;#x27;s not here.&lt;p&gt;I can tell, because I&amp;#x27;ve made posts like this before, and I always regretted it later. Have your angry argument in a journal or text file (Lately I&amp;#x27;ve really liked Markdown with source control). Then revisit it later, and add in the side you&amp;#x27;re arguing &lt;i&gt;against&lt;/i&gt;. Then revise it so that you&amp;#x27;re actually making a clear point, and remove all the personal insults. Then post it here, because I want to read it. But until then, I have no idea WTF you&amp;#x27;re on about or why you&amp;#x27;re so defensive of a very-long-dead philosopher.</text></comment>
<story><title>Ask HN: Do you hate software engineering but love programming?</title><text>I have come to a realization that I don&amp;#x27;t really enjoy Software Engineering(&amp;amp; the processes that it comes with) but I do love programming &amp;amp; solving problems.&lt;p&gt;Finding and fixing bugs is a lot of fun. Incidence response is a lot of fun. Hacking on new projects is a lot of fun. Writing unit tests is fun too.&lt;p&gt;Refactoring, rewriting, sprint, agile, rearchitecting things etc aren&amp;#x27;t that fun. I like a few languages and I am not too keen on learning new paradigms or languages unless I have to. I&amp;#x27;d rather get to value now by making something that just works(and is adequately tested) than engineer something thats future proof but takes longer to get out.&lt;p&gt;What are some good jobs for a person like this?</text></story><parent_chain><item><author>peoplefromibiza</author><text>[flagged]</text></item><item><author>schrodinger</author><text>There&amp;#x27;s a slight implication because it only covers men that women are the source of unhappiness (e.g. the nagging wife trope), but I agree it&amp;#x27;s trivial and likely unintentional. Agree with sibling, just as applicable as &amp;quot;happy married people are happy partners, unhappily married people are great philosophers&amp;quot;.</text></item><item><author>massinstall</author><text>Why is this saying misogynistic?&lt;p&gt;Because it’s a statement about men or because of the implied  possibility they could be unhappy in their marriage?&lt;p&gt;Also, why is it horrible?&lt;p&gt;It appears this world has become manically trigger-happy to label something as &lt;i&gt;-ist or &lt;/i&gt;-istic, when it contains even only a hint of something someone could possibly understand the wrong way.&lt;p&gt;It would be curious to examine in a psychological study if this reinforced behavior has developed more due to a subtle social reward system for the “labelers”, or due to a punishment system for the “non-labelers”.</text></item><item><author>kraig911</author><text>1000x times this. It&amp;#x27;s a weird thing our profession. There&amp;#x27;s a horrible but apt (misogynistic even)  saying. Happily married men are happy husbands - Unhappily married men are great philosophers. I really feel agile has killed the happiness of our industry because it&amp;#x27;s met with a lot of back and forth, meetings, rituals, and meta-work and not actual productivity (If agile is done well though it can be amazing but that&amp;#x27;s another topic to me)</text></item><item><author>PragmaticPulp</author><text>&amp;gt; I have come to a realization that I don&amp;#x27;t really enjoy Software Engineering(&amp;amp; the processes that it comes with) but I do love programming &amp;amp; solving problems.&lt;p&gt;I can almost guarantee that you’re just at the wrong company.&lt;p&gt;Some software companies can turn even the simplest tasks into a grueling series of processes, endless meetings, and joint work across a big number of “stakeholders”. These companies will take the joy and productivity out of programming and replace it with a series of rituals and set of language that people use to go through the motions every week so they can collect paychecks.&lt;p&gt;Start interviewing around. Talk to your network. Find a company that values programming and real productivity but discourages unnecessary meetings and process. You will be much happier. There is no escaping the fact that you’ll have to work on legacy code, document your work, and meet with people some times. However, it doesn’t have to be a miserable process-filled slog.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>jgil</author><text>&amp;gt; Was Aristotle misogynistic?&lt;p&gt;Yes. &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Aristotle%27s_views_on_women&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Aristotle%27s_views_on_women&lt;/a&gt;</text></comment>