<story><title>Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport</title><url>https://www.theguardian.com/media/article/2024/aug/24/telegram-app-founder-pavel-durov-arrested-at-french-airport</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>apopapo</author><text>So you endorse governments from the middle-east being in their right to delete  anything they see as &amp;quot;illegal&amp;quot; because they are blasphemous for example?</text></item><item><author>sega_sai</author><text>A bunch of people in comments here seem to misunderstand what telegram is. It is &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; just a messaging app, it is essentially a platform like twitter, with channels, hundreds of thousands of subscribers to those.
While I fully support  E2EE communication with no back-doors, I think it is perfectly fair for governments to have some control to take down large channels that are clearly against the law. I do not know the true cause for the arrest, but I hope it is because of the latter not the former.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>kelnos</author><text>I think that interpretation of GP&amp;#x27;s stance is pretty uncharitable.&lt;p&gt;If the thing they want to delete is run by an entity that has a physical presence in that country, then they -- unfortunately -- have the right to get that material deleted.&lt;p&gt;For better or worse, we are all bound by the laws of the place where we physically reside.  If we want to do or allow things online that are legal where we are, but are illegal in other countries, then we shouldn&amp;#x27;t visit those countries.&lt;p&gt;It doesn&amp;#x27;t matter if anyone &amp;quot;endorses&amp;quot; repressive governments in doing their repressive things; they are legally able to do those things to people physically present within their borders.  That&amp;#x27;s just the reality of the situation.&lt;p&gt;France claims Durov allowed stuff that&amp;#x27;s illegal in France.  He went to France, so France has the ability to punish Durov for his alleged misdeeds.  It doesn&amp;#x27;t matter if we think that&amp;#x27;s right or wrong; that&amp;#x27;s just how the world works.</text></comment>
<story><title>Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport</title><url>https://www.theguardian.com/media/article/2024/aug/24/telegram-app-founder-pavel-durov-arrested-at-french-airport</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>apopapo</author><text>So you endorse governments from the middle-east being in their right to delete  anything they see as &amp;quot;illegal&amp;quot; because they are blasphemous for example?</text></item><item><author>sega_sai</author><text>A bunch of people in comments here seem to misunderstand what telegram is. It is &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; just a messaging app, it is essentially a platform like twitter, with channels, hundreds of thousands of subscribers to those.
While I fully support  E2EE communication with no back-doors, I think it is perfectly fair for governments to have some control to take down large channels that are clearly against the law. I do not know the true cause for the arrest, but I hope it is because of the latter not the former.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>wordpad25</author><text>There is a large spectrum between total anarchy and totalitarian regime, so in the same way there is a spectrum in free speech.</text></comment>