<story><title>Obama Signs CISA Bill into Law</title><url>http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/12/18/460281572/congress-sends-1-8-trillion-tax-and-spending-bill-to-president-obama</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>herbig</author><text>I&amp;#x27;m a very liberal persion, but I really like Rand Paul. I just wish he didn&amp;#x27;t think gays were going to burn in hell for all eternity, or at least would stick to libertarian principles on the issue and let people live how they want to live.&lt;p&gt;The same with abortion laws.  I&amp;#x27;d be way more into supporting him if he would concede he doesn&amp;#x27;t agree personally, but that people shouldn&amp;#x27;t be forced by the government to live according to his religious beliefs.</text></item><item><author>randomname2</author><text>The 14 votes against, FWIW:&lt;p&gt;&lt;pre&gt;&lt;code&gt;    Baldwin (D-WI)
    Booker (D-NJ)
    Brown (D-OH)
    Coons (D-DE)
    Franken (D-MN)
    Leahy (D-VT)
    Markey (D-MA)
    Menendez (D-NJ)
    Merkley (D-OR)
    Paul (R-KY)
    Sanders (I-VT)
    Udall (D-NM)
    Warren (D-MA)
    Wyden (D-OR)
&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.techdirt.com&amp;#x2F;articles&amp;#x2F;20151022&amp;#x2F;10133932597&amp;#x2F;cisa-moves-forward-these-83-senators-just-voted-to-expand-surveillance.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.techdirt.com&amp;#x2F;articles&amp;#x2F;20151022&amp;#x2F;10133932597&amp;#x2F;cisa-...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>tptacek</author><text>CISA passed the Senate with almost 3:1 bipartisan support in October.&lt;p&gt;PCNA, the House&amp;#x27;s (worse) version of CISA, passed with similar margins in April.&lt;p&gt;Obama has publicly supported the bill all year.&lt;p&gt;As much as HN and Twitter wants to believe CISA was enacted in some shady backroom deal, the process that actually occurred, including publicly available amendments and months-long review, is pretty close to &amp;quot;Schoolhouse Rocks&amp;quot;.&lt;p&gt;The debate on CISA was over. Thankfully. The only debate left was how close CISA would come to PCNA, with its broader law enforcement ties and vaguer language (EFF claims PCNA would have in some cases authorized large private companies to &amp;quot;hack back&amp;quot; computers they believed had been trying to hack them). Instead, Senate&amp;#x27;s CISA is the law of land almost verbatim to what they passed --- in a drawn out, public process --- in October.&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Later:&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;Someone downthread asked for a summary of the bill. I did my best to strip the legalese out of it:&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&amp;#x2F;item?id=10763827&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&amp;#x2F;item?id=10763827&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>ekianjo</author><text>&amp;gt; at least would stick to libertarian principles on the issue and let people live how they want to live.&lt;p&gt;Paul is a libertarian and believes that Government should not be involved in the private space, including marriage. I think that&amp;#x27;s a very reasonable position to have - and I don&amp;#x27;t think I have seen him saying anything against gays, but please provide a source if you have any.</text></comment>
<story><title>Obama Signs CISA Bill into Law</title><url>http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/12/18/460281572/congress-sends-1-8-trillion-tax-and-spending-bill-to-president-obama</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>herbig</author><text>I&amp;#x27;m a very liberal persion, but I really like Rand Paul. I just wish he didn&amp;#x27;t think gays were going to burn in hell for all eternity, or at least would stick to libertarian principles on the issue and let people live how they want to live.&lt;p&gt;The same with abortion laws.  I&amp;#x27;d be way more into supporting him if he would concede he doesn&amp;#x27;t agree personally, but that people shouldn&amp;#x27;t be forced by the government to live according to his religious beliefs.</text></item><item><author>randomname2</author><text>The 14 votes against, FWIW:&lt;p&gt;&lt;pre&gt;&lt;code&gt;    Baldwin (D-WI)
    Booker (D-NJ)
    Brown (D-OH)
    Coons (D-DE)
    Franken (D-MN)
    Leahy (D-VT)
    Markey (D-MA)
    Menendez (D-NJ)
    Merkley (D-OR)
    Paul (R-KY)
    Sanders (I-VT)
    Udall (D-NM)
    Warren (D-MA)
    Wyden (D-OR)
&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.techdirt.com&amp;#x2F;articles&amp;#x2F;20151022&amp;#x2F;10133932597&amp;#x2F;cisa-moves-forward-these-83-senators-just-voted-to-expand-surveillance.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.techdirt.com&amp;#x2F;articles&amp;#x2F;20151022&amp;#x2F;10133932597&amp;#x2F;cisa-...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>tptacek</author><text>CISA passed the Senate with almost 3:1 bipartisan support in October.&lt;p&gt;PCNA, the House&amp;#x27;s (worse) version of CISA, passed with similar margins in April.&lt;p&gt;Obama has publicly supported the bill all year.&lt;p&gt;As much as HN and Twitter wants to believe CISA was enacted in some shady backroom deal, the process that actually occurred, including publicly available amendments and months-long review, is pretty close to &amp;quot;Schoolhouse Rocks&amp;quot;.&lt;p&gt;The debate on CISA was over. Thankfully. The only debate left was how close CISA would come to PCNA, with its broader law enforcement ties and vaguer language (EFF claims PCNA would have in some cases authorized large private companies to &amp;quot;hack back&amp;quot; computers they believed had been trying to hack them). Instead, Senate&amp;#x27;s CISA is the law of land almost verbatim to what they passed --- in a drawn out, public process --- in October.&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Later:&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;Someone downthread asked for a summary of the bill. I did my best to strip the legalese out of it:&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&amp;#x2F;item?id=10763827&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&amp;#x2F;item?id=10763827&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>spo81rty</author><text>I&amp;#x27;ve always felt that was how Paul believed. He thinks marriage is between a man and a woman but doesn&amp;#x27;t think the government should be involved in defining it.</text></comment>