<story><title>Terms of Service; Didn’t Read</title><url>https://tosdr.org/en/frontpage</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>gorgoiler</author><text>If a website knows I didn&amp;#x27;t &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; read a contract, can they claim I am bound by it?&lt;p&gt;I like to hope that the &lt;i&gt;time-spent-reading&lt;/i&gt; is logged somewhere.  Should it come up in court, Website.com would be required to disclose their logs which would show that I spent all of 1.35s reading their terms and conditions, most of which was spent scrolling.&lt;p&gt;Another puerile hack of mine is to sign a document with the name &amp;quot;I do not agree&amp;quot; and then press accept, and see if they agreed to let me use the service anyway.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>albertgoeswoof</author><text>This is why they’re non enforceable in a real court. If I put the rights to your inheritance in a tos no judge is actually going to enforce that, because no one would reasonably sign that away for access to a website.&lt;p&gt;In reality only things which you would reasonably expect to be in a tos or privacy policy could be enforced, given 99% of users don’t read them, or understand them.</text></comment>
<story><title>Terms of Service; Didn’t Read</title><url>https://tosdr.org/en/frontpage</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>gorgoiler</author><text>If a website knows I didn&amp;#x27;t &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; read a contract, can they claim I am bound by it?&lt;p&gt;I like to hope that the &lt;i&gt;time-spent-reading&lt;/i&gt; is logged somewhere.  Should it come up in court, Website.com would be required to disclose their logs which would show that I spent all of 1.35s reading their terms and conditions, most of which was spent scrolling.&lt;p&gt;Another puerile hack of mine is to sign a document with the name &amp;quot;I do not agree&amp;quot; and then press accept, and see if they agreed to let me use the service anyway.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>alsetmusic</author><text>I don’t think time spent would matter if someone took the deliberate action of clicking “Accept.” It’s like arguing that you didn’t read a contract before you signed. You still signed.&lt;p&gt;I’m not arguing in favor of TOS. I just don’t buy this.&lt;p&gt;The “I do not agree,” method reminds me of the tactics of “sovereign citizens.” They try to game things via highly specific language. People think they can loophole the system, but still get snared. SCs still go to jail.</text></comment>