<story><title>Son, as soon as someone puts their hands on you...</title><url>http://www.sebastianmarshall.com/?p=283</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>maxawaytoolong</author><text>It&apos;s sort of embarrassing this is the number one story on hacker news. Especially since it&apos;s 6 weeks old and was already posted before, and mostly seems fabricated. It reads like some fat kid ender&apos;s game revenge fantasy. I guess maybe this is what happens in white suburban schools? Cuz fights in the schools where I used to teach math would end up with kids in the hospital or dead. Or, I guess I don&apos;t really know, because both parties would both never come back to school.&lt;p&gt;I guess if Bobby Bully is putting beans in your pants you can try your karate kid routine on him. Maybe Eye of The Tiger will start playing and after you make him cry by ballet kicking him in the nose you and Elisabeth Shue can go share a milkshake at Pop&apos;s and then make out at the drive in. But in real life Jesus and Jose and their 20 cousins and homies just show up after school and steal all your clothes, your bike, your money and throw you into the dumpster.&lt;p&gt;I guess I don&apos;t ever really believe these stories, because whenever i&apos;ve seen someone fight back it just turned into a drawn out war, not some fairytale DeGrassi afterschool special outcome where the bully &quot;learned his place&quot;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>sangaya</author><text>There&apos;s a wide variety of schools in the US and it sounds like you&apos;re at one of the worst.&lt;p&gt;I went to school at a suburb of Chicago where two friends died by being shot by gang members (Latin Kings), a kid that sat in front of me in Spanish murdered his girlfriend and went to prison, and drug deals were common in the hallways.  But standing up to bullies was still better than backing down.&lt;p&gt;That said, the gang members were rarely if ever the bullies; not unless they suspected you were in a rival gang.  The bullies were the kids that wanted a power trip, mainly the Seniors and mainly the sports guys.&lt;p&gt;If you give in you&apos;re doomed to be giving up your money or whatever again and again and again.  You fight back, and that&apos;s usually going to be the end of it.  People that fight back aren&apos;t fun; the weak ones that cry and give you stuff, that&apos;s where the fun is. The bullies want a reward with little effort.  The gangs usually have a personal vendetta against you, your family, your different gang, your race, or something else.  That&apos;s a whole different issue and one that&apos;s not dealt with in the same simple way.&lt;p&gt;Don&apos;t confuse gangs and bullies, they&apos;re two very different beasts.</text></comment>
<story><title>Son, as soon as someone puts their hands on you...</title><url>http://www.sebastianmarshall.com/?p=283</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>maxawaytoolong</author><text>It&apos;s sort of embarrassing this is the number one story on hacker news. Especially since it&apos;s 6 weeks old and was already posted before, and mostly seems fabricated. It reads like some fat kid ender&apos;s game revenge fantasy. I guess maybe this is what happens in white suburban schools? Cuz fights in the schools where I used to teach math would end up with kids in the hospital or dead. Or, I guess I don&apos;t really know, because both parties would both never come back to school.&lt;p&gt;I guess if Bobby Bully is putting beans in your pants you can try your karate kid routine on him. Maybe Eye of The Tiger will start playing and after you make him cry by ballet kicking him in the nose you and Elisabeth Shue can go share a milkshake at Pop&apos;s and then make out at the drive in. But in real life Jesus and Jose and their 20 cousins and homies just show up after school and steal all your clothes, your bike, your money and throw you into the dumpster.&lt;p&gt;I guess I don&apos;t ever really believe these stories, because whenever i&apos;ve seen someone fight back it just turned into a drawn out war, not some fairytale DeGrassi afterschool special outcome where the bully &quot;learned his place&quot;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>_pius</author><text>&quot;&lt;i&gt;I guess maybe this is what happens in white suburban schools?&lt;/i&gt;&quot;&lt;p&gt;&quot;&lt;i&gt;[I]n real life Jesus and Jose and their 20 cousins and homies just show up ...&lt;/i&gt;&quot;&lt;p&gt;Jesus and Jose?  Homies?  Just.  Stop.&lt;p&gt;Was it really necessary to inject some sort of pathetic, dogwhistle racial component into this?  Why are you trying to cast a universal problem like bullying into a phenomenon where the scary minorities are picking on white kids?</text></comment>