<story><title>A Timeline of the OpenAI Board</title><url>https://loeber.substack.com/p/a-timeline-of-the-openai-board</url></story><parent_chain></parent_chain><comment><author>schiffern</author><text>Poe AI is just a clear straight conflict, no question there.&lt;p&gt;On the governance matter, the thesis is a bit more shakey.&lt;p&gt;&lt;pre&gt;&lt;code&gt;  &amp;gt; Helen Toner and Tasha McCauley... participating in an... AI governance organization... calls into question the independence of their votes.

  &amp;gt; I am not accusing anyone (to be clear, even the Board Directors that I consider conflicted) of having acted subject to conflicts of interest. [AKA &amp;quot;Just Asking Questions&amp;quot; technique]

  &amp;gt; If... this act of governance was unwise, it calls into serious question the ability of these people and their organizations... to conduct governance

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So they&amp;#x27;re conflicted because they&amp;#x27;re also in governance, and they shouldn&amp;#x27;t govern because they might have been conflicted.&lt;p&gt;It seems like the author&amp;#x27;s real problem isn&amp;#x27;t any specific conduct by these two board members, but more of a &amp;quot;you got chocolate in my peanut butter&amp;quot; issue.</text></comment>
<story><title>A Timeline of the OpenAI Board</title><url>https://loeber.substack.com/p/a-timeline-of-the-openai-board</url></story><parent_chain></parent_chain><comment><author>upwardbound</author><text>&amp;gt; they asked: who on earth are Tasha McCauley and Helen Toner?&lt;p&gt;As a prominent researcher in AI safety (I discovered prompt injection) I should explain that Helen Toner is a big name in the AI safety community - she’s one of the top 20 most respected people in our community, like Rohin Shah.&lt;p&gt;The “who on earth” question is a good question about Tasha. But grouping Helen in with Tasha is just sexist. By analogy, Tasha is like Kimbal Musk, whereas Helen is like Tom Mueller.&lt;p&gt;Tasha seems unqualified but Helen is extremely qualified. Grouping them together is sexist and wrong.</text></comment>