<story><title>Intel Alder Lake Mobility CPU Faster Than Apple M1 Max</title><url>https://wccftech.com/intel-alder-lake-mobility-cpu-benchmarks-leaked-faster-than-the-apple-m1-max-smokes-amd-5980hx-11980hk/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>ksec</author><text>Copying my answer [1] from the Alder Lake Preview.&lt;p&gt;1. Base Power and Turbo Power. Finally a simple term so we dont have to constantly argue about TDP and PL1 &amp;#x2F; PL2. Which still happens fairly often on HN. And some of us have been ranting about this for almost a decade.&lt;p&gt;2. + 19% IPC improvement vs 11900K which is basically an Icelake. Or ~10% improvement over TigerLake ( Which was never made available on Desktop )&lt;p&gt;3. PCI-E 5 and DDR5. Intel went from falling behind in PCI-E offering to leaping ahead of AMD. We should expect PCI-E 5.0 SSD shipping soon after ( 14 - 16GBps )&lt;p&gt;4. Chipset is on 14nm. No USB 4 or Thunderbolt 4. But integrated WiFi 6E MAC.&lt;p&gt;5. For those interested, this put Alder Lake, on a Desktop Platform, with Intel 7nm &lt;i&gt;High Performance&lt;/i&gt; Node, at roughly 20-25W per Performance Core. With a ( non-verified ) Geekbench Score fairly similar ( ~6% faster ) to M1 HP Core. The Apple M1, on a TSMC 5nm &lt;i&gt;Low Power&lt;/i&gt; node, at roughly 5W per core.&lt;p&gt;6. It will be interesting to see how the new efficiency cores perform. Which is basically a new generation Atom Core. These were previously scheduled for a Graviton like 64 - 128 Core chip on server. Not sure if that is still the case with Intel&amp;#x27;s chiplet strategy or what they called Tiles.&lt;p&gt;7. Worth wondering, Alder Lake was originally scheduled on Intel 7nm or what is now called Intel 4&amp;#x2F;3nm in 2019. What would happen had Intel not been so badly managed? But if that didn&amp;#x27;t happen, Pat Gelsinger may never be back at Intel.&lt;p&gt;8. AMD Zen 4, also with DDR5 and PCI-E 5.0 will be coming in late 2022. Depending on Intel&amp;#x27;s pace of execution, which seems to be getting better and better every time Pat Gelsinger provides an update, AMD may have some tough competition.&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&amp;#x2F;item?id=29017221&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&amp;#x2F;item?id=29017221&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>reacharavindh</author><text>Better single thread performance is always a nice win because it is immediately perceivable on unmodified software.&lt;p&gt;I believe Intel is still counting on using x4 PCIE4 for SSDs. I wonder if the PCI-E 5 x16 makes any difference for the GPUs?&lt;p&gt;DDR5 may bring in nice capacity boosts. However, I read somewhere that at lower capacities it is almost indistinguishable perf wise from high-end DDR4.&lt;p&gt;The key to M1&amp;#x27;s attraction is the cohesiveness of its implementation. Apple can make MacOS tightly knit to the heterogenous core types and caches. and essentially gate keep applications to behave optimally. From Intel&amp;#x27;s announcements, it looks like Intel came up with Thread Director to _advice_ Windows on how to schedule stuff and leave it to MS to implement things. Not sure how that synergy is going to take shape. Perhaps Linux will come out and eat this.&lt;p&gt;if AMD can improve on Zen 3 and come up with Zen 4, they already provide much more PCI-E lanes and ECC on DDR4&amp;#x2F;DDR5 memory support, with better than intel multi-threading perf. Competition sure is nice!</text></comment>
<story><title>Intel Alder Lake Mobility CPU Faster Than Apple M1 Max</title><url>https://wccftech.com/intel-alder-lake-mobility-cpu-benchmarks-leaked-faster-than-the-apple-m1-max-smokes-amd-5980hx-11980hk/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>ksec</author><text>Copying my answer [1] from the Alder Lake Preview.&lt;p&gt;1. Base Power and Turbo Power. Finally a simple term so we dont have to constantly argue about TDP and PL1 &amp;#x2F; PL2. Which still happens fairly often on HN. And some of us have been ranting about this for almost a decade.&lt;p&gt;2. + 19% IPC improvement vs 11900K which is basically an Icelake. Or ~10% improvement over TigerLake ( Which was never made available on Desktop )&lt;p&gt;3. PCI-E 5 and DDR5. Intel went from falling behind in PCI-E offering to leaping ahead of AMD. We should expect PCI-E 5.0 SSD shipping soon after ( 14 - 16GBps )&lt;p&gt;4. Chipset is on 14nm. No USB 4 or Thunderbolt 4. But integrated WiFi 6E MAC.&lt;p&gt;5. For those interested, this put Alder Lake, on a Desktop Platform, with Intel 7nm &lt;i&gt;High Performance&lt;/i&gt; Node, at roughly 20-25W per Performance Core. With a ( non-verified ) Geekbench Score fairly similar ( ~6% faster ) to M1 HP Core. The Apple M1, on a TSMC 5nm &lt;i&gt;Low Power&lt;/i&gt; node, at roughly 5W per core.&lt;p&gt;6. It will be interesting to see how the new efficiency cores perform. Which is basically a new generation Atom Core. These were previously scheduled for a Graviton like 64 - 128 Core chip on server. Not sure if that is still the case with Intel&amp;#x27;s chiplet strategy or what they called Tiles.&lt;p&gt;7. Worth wondering, Alder Lake was originally scheduled on Intel 7nm or what is now called Intel 4&amp;#x2F;3nm in 2019. What would happen had Intel not been so badly managed? But if that didn&amp;#x27;t happen, Pat Gelsinger may never be back at Intel.&lt;p&gt;8. AMD Zen 4, also with DDR5 and PCI-E 5.0 will be coming in late 2022. Depending on Intel&amp;#x27;s pace of execution, which seems to be getting better and better every time Pat Gelsinger provides an update, AMD may have some tough competition.&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&amp;#x2F;item?id=29017221&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&amp;#x2F;item?id=29017221&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>liuliu</author><text>Alder Lake is on Intel 7 otherwise known as 10nm process.</text></comment>