<story><title>How to hire engineering talent without the BS</title><url>https://jes.al/2023/03/how-to-hire-engineering-talent-without-the-bs/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>ok_dad</author><text>Interns are supposed to be slow, unproductive, and need lots of hand holding! They’re fucking students for fucks sake.</text></item><item><author>gedy</author><text>&amp;gt; I’ve seen a number of past coworkers get hired there lately that weren’t effective at their job,&lt;p&gt;That&amp;#x27;s the truth for me, I was shocked some of our worst* interns went on to work at Google after the summer.&lt;p&gt;* Unproductive, slow, needed lots of hand holding</text></item><item><author>mountainriver</author><text>And is Google itself effective? We all copied Google but do we have their problems? Do we need the type of engineers they needed?&lt;p&gt;Google is beginning to show its age, I’ve seen a number of past coworkers get hired there lately that weren’t effective at their job, but I’m sure they crushed some Leetcode.</text></item><item><author>blindriver</author><text>All of these &amp;quot;this is how you hire&amp;quot; posts are utterly worthless without data afterwards to prove that their selection process results in high performance. Does any of these posters actually correlate interview scores with performance reviews? No. It&amp;#x27;s just people very confidently announcing their own biases beliefs without any reason except their overconfidence.&lt;p&gt;At least the reason why we have Leetcode questions is because Google did the research and came to the conclusion that those are were good at algorithms ended up being more successful at Google, and THAT&amp;#x27;S why we are all suffering through LC. But now that LC has been gamed, I would love to see what the results are as to what makes a successful interview.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>Shacklz</author><text>An intern&amp;#x27;s productivity sort of lies in &amp;quot;how fast they learn&amp;quot;. Can they pick up things by just being pointed into the right directions or do they need everything spoon-fed, in small doses, with repetition, to then still get it wrong?&lt;p&gt;At least in our place, we do not really expect them to be productive in the usual sense, but they definitely have ample opportunity to give us a feeling of their place on the bell curve.&lt;p&gt;(as an anecdote: We currently have some 17 year old apprentice which puts some of our seniors to absolute shame, myself included. The amount of motivation, learning hunger, quick thinking and ability to ask the right questions is really astounding, especially given that he essentially just started and has next-to-no education in our area to speak of as of yet)</text></comment>
<story><title>How to hire engineering talent without the BS</title><url>https://jes.al/2023/03/how-to-hire-engineering-talent-without-the-bs/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>ok_dad</author><text>Interns are supposed to be slow, unproductive, and need lots of hand holding! They’re fucking students for fucks sake.</text></item><item><author>gedy</author><text>&amp;gt; I’ve seen a number of past coworkers get hired there lately that weren’t effective at their job,&lt;p&gt;That&amp;#x27;s the truth for me, I was shocked some of our worst* interns went on to work at Google after the summer.&lt;p&gt;* Unproductive, slow, needed lots of hand holding</text></item><item><author>mountainriver</author><text>And is Google itself effective? We all copied Google but do we have their problems? Do we need the type of engineers they needed?&lt;p&gt;Google is beginning to show its age, I’ve seen a number of past coworkers get hired there lately that weren’t effective at their job, but I’m sure they crushed some Leetcode.</text></item><item><author>blindriver</author><text>All of these &amp;quot;this is how you hire&amp;quot; posts are utterly worthless without data afterwards to prove that their selection process results in high performance. Does any of these posters actually correlate interview scores with performance reviews? No. It&amp;#x27;s just people very confidently announcing their own biases beliefs without any reason except their overconfidence.&lt;p&gt;At least the reason why we have Leetcode questions is because Google did the research and came to the conclusion that those are were good at algorithms ended up being more successful at Google, and THAT&amp;#x27;S why we are all suffering through LC. But now that LC has been gamed, I would love to see what the results are as to what makes a successful interview.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>nullspace</author><text>Really? Not the parent poster, but have observed the same thing.&lt;p&gt;All interns need handholding but some need 10x more than others. And yeah, they often end up doing another internship or so at a faang.</text></comment>