<story><title>FBI director calls lack of data on police shootings &quot;ridiculous,&quot; &quot;embarrassing&quot;</title><url>https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/fbi-director-calls-lack-of-data-on-police-shootings-ridiculous-embarrassing/2015/10/07/c0ebaf7a-6d16-11e5-b31c-d80d62b53e28_story.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>jeremysmyth</author><text>&lt;i&gt;Heck, it doesn&amp;#x27;t even suggest anything actionable.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;Gun control is the elephant in this particular room. A cop who isn&amp;#x27;t expecting his next public contact to shoot him is not going to pull a gun when he walks into the room, much less shoot first.</text></item><item><author>hga</author><text>Without, oh, comparing crime rates that&amp;#x27;s useless.  E.g. just starting with murder, with less than half the people California had 1,697 in 2014 and Germany 662 in 2011 per Wikipedia.&lt;p&gt;I fully believe there&amp;#x27;s a problem with US and most certainly California cops, but this is not the way to approach the problem.  Heck, it doesn&amp;#x27;t even suggest anything actionable.</text></item><item><author>matt4077</author><text>Let me just throw these tangentially relevant facts into this thread:&lt;p&gt;Deaths by police&lt;p&gt;in California: about 100 p.a.&lt;p&gt;in Germany: 8 in 2014&lt;p&gt;Population:&lt;p&gt;California: 39 Million&lt;p&gt;Germany: 82 Million&lt;p&gt;Source: &lt;a href=&quot;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.theatlantic.com&amp;#x2F;politics&amp;#x2F;archive&amp;#x2F;2015&amp;#x2F;10&amp;#x2F;police-in-california-killed-more-than-610-people-over-6-years&amp;#x2F;407326&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.theatlantic.com&amp;#x2F;politics&amp;#x2F;archive&amp;#x2F;2015&amp;#x2F;10&amp;#x2F;police-i...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>rebootthesystem</author><text>The term &amp;quot;gun control&amp;quot; is thrown around without definition, which makes it difficult to have an intelligent discussion.&lt;p&gt;Let&amp;#x27;s start with the assumption it is impossible to alter the constitution to remove or severely cripple the second amendment, which, I think, is a reasonable assumption.&lt;p&gt;How, specifically, would you define &amp;quot;gun control&amp;quot;?</text></comment>
<story><title>FBI director calls lack of data on police shootings &quot;ridiculous,&quot; &quot;embarrassing&quot;</title><url>https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/fbi-director-calls-lack-of-data-on-police-shootings-ridiculous-embarrassing/2015/10/07/c0ebaf7a-6d16-11e5-b31c-d80d62b53e28_story.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>jeremysmyth</author><text>&lt;i&gt;Heck, it doesn&amp;#x27;t even suggest anything actionable.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;Gun control is the elephant in this particular room. A cop who isn&amp;#x27;t expecting his next public contact to shoot him is not going to pull a gun when he walks into the room, much less shoot first.</text></item><item><author>hga</author><text>Without, oh, comparing crime rates that&amp;#x27;s useless.  E.g. just starting with murder, with less than half the people California had 1,697 in 2014 and Germany 662 in 2011 per Wikipedia.&lt;p&gt;I fully believe there&amp;#x27;s a problem with US and most certainly California cops, but this is not the way to approach the problem.  Heck, it doesn&amp;#x27;t even suggest anything actionable.</text></item><item><author>matt4077</author><text>Let me just throw these tangentially relevant facts into this thread:&lt;p&gt;Deaths by police&lt;p&gt;in California: about 100 p.a.&lt;p&gt;in Germany: 8 in 2014&lt;p&gt;Population:&lt;p&gt;California: 39 Million&lt;p&gt;Germany: 82 Million&lt;p&gt;Source: &lt;a href=&quot;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.theatlantic.com&amp;#x2F;politics&amp;#x2F;archive&amp;#x2F;2015&amp;#x2F;10&amp;#x2F;police-in-california-killed-more-than-610-people-over-6-years&amp;#x2F;407326&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.theatlantic.com&amp;#x2F;politics&amp;#x2F;archive&amp;#x2F;2015&amp;#x2F;10&amp;#x2F;police-i...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>task_queue</author><text>If guns were illegal and cops still carried guns, they&amp;#x27;d pull them when they walk into rooms. Why wouldn&amp;#x27;t they?</text></comment>