<story><title>FAQ on Leaving Google</title><url>https://social.clawhammer.net/blog/posts/2024-01-10-GoogleExitLetter/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>dilyevsky</author><text>Android was developed entirely at google (and redone midway after iphone came out) despite being originally an acquisition. Youtube basically just sold userbase + content. Chrome. Waymo. AppEngine precedes ec2 and heroku by some time. Most of hashicorp products (and dozen other startups) are basically copies of what google had internally.&lt;p&gt;The theory that google hasn’t birthed any original products just doesnt hold any water</text></item><item><author>sjwhevvvvvsj</author><text>Both Maps and Earth were acquisitions. MOST Google products are.&lt;p&gt;The only two real big success products to come from Google that are still around are Search and Gmail. Maybe you can count Scholar but it’s really just a type of search.&lt;p&gt;Workspace was assembled from various acquisitions, YouTube they bought, Cloud is just a Jack Ma-esque “copy whatever Bezos is doing” initiative.&lt;p&gt;Most home grown Google products have either failed or been killed in the cradle. G+, Stadia, etc etc&lt;p&gt;20% was always a myth.</text></item><item><author>thrtythreeforty</author><text>The author also published [1] an email he wrote at the beginning of his tenure. It is amazing how alien and out of place early Google sounds in today&amp;#x27;s corporate environment. They have completely eroded the perception that Google is this kind of place:&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; Google is the opposite: it&amp;#x27;s like a giant grad-school. Half the programmers have PhD&amp;#x27;s, and everyone treats the place like a giant research playground [...]  Every once in a while, a manager skims over the bubbling activity, looking for products to &amp;quot;reap&amp;quot; from the creative harvest. The programmers completely drive the company, it&amp;#x27;s really amazing. I kept waiting for people to walk up to me and ask me if I had declared my major yet. They not only encourage personal experimentation and innovation, they demand it. Every programmer is required to spend 20% of their time working on random personal projects. If you get overloaded by a crisis, then that 20% personal time accrues anyway. Nearly every Google technology you know (maps, earth, gmail) started out as somebody&amp;#x27;s 20% project, I think.&lt;p&gt;Even if this was only half-true back then, there&amp;#x27;s very little you could do to convince me that it&amp;#x27;s true at all now. This culture and the public perception of it has been squandered.&lt;p&gt;[1]: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;social.clawhammer.net&amp;#x2F;blog&amp;#x2F;posts&amp;#x2F;2005-09-25-FirstWeekAtGoogle&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;social.clawhammer.net&amp;#x2F;blog&amp;#x2F;posts&amp;#x2F;2005-09-25-FirstWee...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>billjings</author><text>This is a really off base characterization of Android within Google.&lt;p&gt;Chet Haase wrote a book on those years, and while it is clear that Google gave them rocket fuel to meet their ambitions, their company culture was wildly different from the rest of Google. Shipping code on Android would not have passed muster for anyone at mainline Google; the process and standards were utterly alien from one another.&lt;p&gt;There is no way Android happens without the acquisition.</text></comment>
<story><title>FAQ on Leaving Google</title><url>https://social.clawhammer.net/blog/posts/2024-01-10-GoogleExitLetter/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>dilyevsky</author><text>Android was developed entirely at google (and redone midway after iphone came out) despite being originally an acquisition. Youtube basically just sold userbase + content. Chrome. Waymo. AppEngine precedes ec2 and heroku by some time. Most of hashicorp products (and dozen other startups) are basically copies of what google had internally.&lt;p&gt;The theory that google hasn’t birthed any original products just doesnt hold any water</text></item><item><author>sjwhevvvvvsj</author><text>Both Maps and Earth were acquisitions. MOST Google products are.&lt;p&gt;The only two real big success products to come from Google that are still around are Search and Gmail. Maybe you can count Scholar but it’s really just a type of search.&lt;p&gt;Workspace was assembled from various acquisitions, YouTube they bought, Cloud is just a Jack Ma-esque “copy whatever Bezos is doing” initiative.&lt;p&gt;Most home grown Google products have either failed or been killed in the cradle. G+, Stadia, etc etc&lt;p&gt;20% was always a myth.</text></item><item><author>thrtythreeforty</author><text>The author also published [1] an email he wrote at the beginning of his tenure. It is amazing how alien and out of place early Google sounds in today&amp;#x27;s corporate environment. They have completely eroded the perception that Google is this kind of place:&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; Google is the opposite: it&amp;#x27;s like a giant grad-school. Half the programmers have PhD&amp;#x27;s, and everyone treats the place like a giant research playground [...]  Every once in a while, a manager skims over the bubbling activity, looking for products to &amp;quot;reap&amp;quot; from the creative harvest. The programmers completely drive the company, it&amp;#x27;s really amazing. I kept waiting for people to walk up to me and ask me if I had declared my major yet. They not only encourage personal experimentation and innovation, they demand it. Every programmer is required to spend 20% of their time working on random personal projects. If you get overloaded by a crisis, then that 20% personal time accrues anyway. Nearly every Google technology you know (maps, earth, gmail) started out as somebody&amp;#x27;s 20% project, I think.&lt;p&gt;Even if this was only half-true back then, there&amp;#x27;s very little you could do to convince me that it&amp;#x27;s true at all now. This culture and the public perception of it has been squandered.&lt;p&gt;[1]: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;social.clawhammer.net&amp;#x2F;blog&amp;#x2F;posts&amp;#x2F;2005-09-25-FirstWeekAtGoogle&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;social.clawhammer.net&amp;#x2F;blog&amp;#x2F;posts&amp;#x2F;2005-09-25-FirstWee...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>gretch</author><text>YouTube was founded in 2005, and then sold to Google in 2006.&lt;p&gt;Then it was run under Google from 2006 to 2023.&lt;p&gt;Does anyone remember what 2005 looked like at all?&lt;p&gt;But people really like the narrative that Google couldn’t make a YouTube</text></comment>