<story><title>OS X Isn&apos;t for Developers</title><url>http://zachholman.com/2011/03/osx-isnt-for-developers/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>petercooper</author><text>&lt;i&gt;If I wasn&apos;t a dev, I&apos;d be pissed to find out some compiler toolchain IDE gongshow eating up 5-15GB of my disk space&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;Yeah, but the essentials that most command line builds require wouldn&apos;t even take up 10% of that. Apple already wastes gigabytes on printer drivers and extra languages you don&apos;t need.</text></item><item><author>darkhelmetlive</author><text>The few of points I&apos;ve made about this are:&lt;p&gt;1. The Xcode 4 download compared to Xcode 3 is basically just a different IDE. The gcc version is, for all intents and purposes, identical. There&apos;s nothing stopping anybody from just installing that if all they need is the toolchain.&lt;p&gt;2. The other big 2 OS&apos;s (Windows and Ubuntu) don&apos;t have any build tools installed by default either. Granted they are just an apt-get away on Ubuntu, but it&apos;s still something you have to explicitly install.&lt;p&gt;3. If I wasn&apos;t a dev, I&apos;d be pissed to find some compiler toolchain IDE gongshow eating up 5-15GB of my disk space, so not having it by default is probably a good thing. Most people aren&apos;t devs.&lt;p&gt;I paid the $5, but I&apos;d still like to see just the toolchain available as a free download, though I still don&apos;t think it would be a good thing to have it installed by default.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>eddieplan9</author><text>Your house is not for developers! It did not come with a free computer when you bought it! Even though a computer would only cost as little as 0.2% of the cost of the house, and the previous owner already wasted tons of money on the useless peach trees in the yard.</text></comment>
<story><title>OS X Isn&apos;t for Developers</title><url>http://zachholman.com/2011/03/osx-isnt-for-developers/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>petercooper</author><text>&lt;i&gt;If I wasn&apos;t a dev, I&apos;d be pissed to find out some compiler toolchain IDE gongshow eating up 5-15GB of my disk space&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;Yeah, but the essentials that most command line builds require wouldn&apos;t even take up 10% of that. Apple already wastes gigabytes on printer drivers and extra languages you don&apos;t need.</text></item><item><author>darkhelmetlive</author><text>The few of points I&apos;ve made about this are:&lt;p&gt;1. The Xcode 4 download compared to Xcode 3 is basically just a different IDE. The gcc version is, for all intents and purposes, identical. There&apos;s nothing stopping anybody from just installing that if all they need is the toolchain.&lt;p&gt;2. The other big 2 OS&apos;s (Windows and Ubuntu) don&apos;t have any build tools installed by default either. Granted they are just an apt-get away on Ubuntu, but it&apos;s still something you have to explicitly install.&lt;p&gt;3. If I wasn&apos;t a dev, I&apos;d be pissed to find some compiler toolchain IDE gongshow eating up 5-15GB of my disk space, so not having it by default is probably a good thing. Most people aren&apos;t devs.&lt;p&gt;I paid the $5, but I&apos;d still like to see just the toolchain available as a free download, though I still don&apos;t think it would be a good thing to have it installed by default.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>suchire</author><text>Actually I think Snow Leopard stripped out a lot of those extra gigabytes; only a few printers have drivers out of the box now.</text></comment>