<story><title>Surface Pro 3</title><url>http://www.penny-arcade.com/news/post/2014/05/23/surface-pro-3</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>hyperliner</author><text>It has to be really frustrating to be an engineer working on Surface and having to deal with the HN echo chamber, or MS bashing (some from Apple fanboys), or totally unrelated comments.&lt;p&gt;Maybe it should be a rule that these folks below post their own product for review. Hopefully they have something significant that can be open to critique.&lt;p&gt;Of course, that would not be too much fun.&lt;p&gt;- nivla: &amp;quot;Seriously, I am starting to believe that these tiny screwups are their signature.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;- rasz_pl: &amp;quot;...rock solid product.. notice the number 3 in the name of said product? and still not good enough. Not to mention UI lags. 2014 and GUI is lagging. Someone needs to get shot.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;- justin66 &amp;quot;&amp;gt; Windows 8 tries to be too many things at once
That is a very, very generous description of Windows 8.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;- jodrellblank: &amp;quot;2014, Intel Core i5, SSD and stutters when &amp;#x27;browsing files&amp;#x27; in PS. shakes head&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;- carlio: &amp;quot;I feel a little cynical by saying this, but does Microsoft really care about artists as much as they care about the audience they&amp;#x27;re reaching via Penny Arcade?&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;- enraged_camel: &amp;quot;It&amp;#x27;s the execution that is lacking significantly. I&amp;#x27;ve always said that Microsoft is really, really good at engineering, and really, really bad at UX and usability. After reading Gabe&amp;#x27;s review, I&amp;#x27;m disappointed that this is still the case.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;[EDIT: Software to &amp;quot;product&amp;quot; + line breaks]</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>rayiner</author><text>This isn&amp;#x27;t elementary school where everyone gets an &amp;quot;A&amp;quot; for effort. Microsoft has demonstrated with the Surface line an institutional inability to execute. From Surface RT shipping with a buggy beta of Office to continuing major deficiencies in Windows Phone (no forward button in IE until 8.1?) to the schizo nature of Windows 8 that only makes sense if you look from the engineering side and realize that its schizo only because it would be too hard to make everything run in Metro. Yes, there are engineering compromises that have to be made, but they shouldn&amp;#x27;t result in what the user perceives to be a compromised product.&lt;p&gt;Sometimes its better to not do something unless you can do it right. E.g. Surface RT shouldn&amp;#x27;t have shipped without a final version of Office. It featured prominently in every rewview, and almost nobody went back and updated theirs. E.g. Surface Pro shouldn&amp;#x27;t have shipped without Haswell. E.g. Surface Pro 2 shouldn&amp;#x27;t have shipped without the major firmware update that improved battery life by 20%. E.g. Apple has wisely avoided shipping a Retina MBA because they can&amp;#x27;t do it yet without regressing battery life.&lt;p&gt;Microsoft is playing in Apple&amp;#x27;s price range, and is late to the game. What it lacks is Apple&amp;#x27;s ability to take on limited ambitious, but (usually) execute those without major flaws.</text></comment>
<story><title>Surface Pro 3</title><url>http://www.penny-arcade.com/news/post/2014/05/23/surface-pro-3</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>hyperliner</author><text>It has to be really frustrating to be an engineer working on Surface and having to deal with the HN echo chamber, or MS bashing (some from Apple fanboys), or totally unrelated comments.&lt;p&gt;Maybe it should be a rule that these folks below post their own product for review. Hopefully they have something significant that can be open to critique.&lt;p&gt;Of course, that would not be too much fun.&lt;p&gt;- nivla: &amp;quot;Seriously, I am starting to believe that these tiny screwups are their signature.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;- rasz_pl: &amp;quot;...rock solid product.. notice the number 3 in the name of said product? and still not good enough. Not to mention UI lags. 2014 and GUI is lagging. Someone needs to get shot.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;- justin66 &amp;quot;&amp;gt; Windows 8 tries to be too many things at once
That is a very, very generous description of Windows 8.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;- jodrellblank: &amp;quot;2014, Intel Core i5, SSD and stutters when &amp;#x27;browsing files&amp;#x27; in PS. shakes head&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;- carlio: &amp;quot;I feel a little cynical by saying this, but does Microsoft really care about artists as much as they care about the audience they&amp;#x27;re reaching via Penny Arcade?&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;- enraged_camel: &amp;quot;It&amp;#x27;s the execution that is lacking significantly. I&amp;#x27;ve always said that Microsoft is really, really good at engineering, and really, really bad at UX and usability. After reading Gabe&amp;#x27;s review, I&amp;#x27;m disappointed that this is still the case.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;[EDIT: Software to &amp;quot;product&amp;quot; + line breaks]</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>gisenberg</author><text>Comments like these genuinely make me wonder if a non-trivial chunk of the crowd here is paid marketers and&amp;#x2F;or folks not being honest about full disclosure.&lt;p&gt;Touting the HN echo chamber in the context of the Surface is hard to take in good faith. Frustrated Surface engineers? As someone who waited in line on launch day and returned their Surface within a week, how about frustrated Surface customers? After reading a review where the device sounds like a strong step back and was developed in isolation without customer feedback, I think your sympathies are misplaced.</text></comment>