<story><title>My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how NYPD impunity works</title><url>https://www.propublica.org/article/my-family-saw-a-police-car-hit-a-kid-on-halloween-then-i-learned-how-nypd-impunity-works</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>randompwd</author><text>Yes well done.&lt;p&gt;How do you think police determine if they&amp;#x27;re in limit or not. They test them. She could have been on her way in 5 minutes but chose to act like an idiot.</text></item><item><author>andyjohnson0</author><text>&amp;gt;Bear in mind she was stopped because the car she was in had (illegally) tinted front windows.&lt;p&gt;From the article linked in the parent&amp;#x27;s post:&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;&amp;quot;Court documents later established they were within the legal limit.&amp;quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;There was no need for the police to use violent force against this terrified woman, but they did it anyway.</text></item><item><author>randompwd</author><text>Please stop spreading nonsense.&lt;p&gt;For one, this person is not prominent by any definition of the word prominent.&lt;p&gt;Also, you can see the full bodycam footage and UK peoples take on this stop at &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;old.reddit.com&amp;#x2F;r&amp;#x2F;policeuk&amp;#x2F;comments&amp;#x2F;hbbhkb&amp;#x2F;a_calm_collected_officer_doing_this_job_perfectly&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;old.reddit.com&amp;#x2F;r&amp;#x2F;policeuk&amp;#x2F;comments&amp;#x2F;hbbhkb&amp;#x2F;a_calm_col...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Bear in mind she was stopped because the car she was in had (potentially illegally) tinted front windows.&lt;p&gt;All in all, she seems like someone who is ingesting too much American culture, most noticable in her saying: &amp;quot;You are killing black people&amp;quot; - what??</text></item><item><author>vidarh</author><text>We recently had a case in the UK where a prominent (as in winning the British Empire Medal for her services to nursing prominent) nurse was stopped by police, and was too scared to get out of the car.&lt;p&gt;When she told the police this, their response was &amp;quot;I don’t believe you because you’re talking to police officers.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;She ended up being arrested for obstruction because they kept failing to understand that her reluctance to comply was because &lt;i&gt;they&lt;/i&gt; terrified her, and they can be heard in the bodycam footage [1] going &amp;quot;This is nonsense, there&amp;#x27;s something in this vehicle&amp;quot; after listening to her telling her dad she&amp;#x27;s afraid the police officer is going to harm her.&lt;p&gt;When the police officer starts dragging her out, she is screaming over the phone for her dad to &lt;i&gt;call the police&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;p&gt;The officer is thankfully relatively calm, and it ended without physical harm to her, but this is a quite stark demonstration of the kind of fear the police has created, and how they then perpetuate that by not teaching their officers to understand the existence of that fear and interpret non-compliance resulting from that fear as indication of criminal activity.&lt;p&gt;She&amp;#x27;s was cleared, and is pursuing a claim against the police, but of course a claim will not address the fundamental ignorance among a lot of police officers about the fear they are inducing.&lt;p&gt;I can only imagine how much worse that fear must be in the US - at least in the UK police is rarely carrying firearms - and how awful that fear must be for parents.&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.theguardian.com&amp;#x2F;world&amp;#x2F;2020&amp;#x2F;jun&amp;#x2F;18&amp;#x2F;nurse-claims-met-police-wrongfully-arrested-her-because-she-black-neomi-bennett&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.theguardian.com&amp;#x2F;world&amp;#x2F;2020&amp;#x2F;jun&amp;#x2F;18&amp;#x2F;nurse-claims-m...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>pjc50</author><text>&amp;gt; “I blame myself,” she kept saying. “I never let him out on Halloween. A bunch of Black boys together. I shouldn’t have let him out. But he begged me.”&lt;p&gt;Notice that while average white parents might worry about criminals before letting their kids out on the street, the black parents worry (with good reason) about the police.&lt;p&gt;(Just to spell it out: this is why so many BLM activists feel comfortable saying &amp;quot;abolish the police&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;defund the police&amp;quot;, because from their point of view the police are the people most likely to assault or kill them or their children on the street, more so than random criminals)&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; “Young teens or pre-teens of color were handcuffed, arrested, or held at gunpoint while participating in age-appropriate activities such as running, playing with friends, high-fiving, sitting on a stoop, or carrying a backpack.”&lt;p&gt;This is child abuse.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>vidarh</author><text>And police could have resolved this peacefully but chose to escalate the situation with someone who was terrified of them because they were incapable of understanding why she would be scared of them, and in doing so creates more fear when people see how police may treat them.&lt;p&gt;UK police are generally quite good at de-escalating situations they understand. I&amp;#x27;ve praised them for that many times. E.g. they will go into situations with completely irate people without weapons, and rely on deescalation to bring it under control.&lt;p&gt;What was it about this situation that prevented this officer from doing that? I&amp;#x27;ve seen first hand that UK police are fully capable of being far more patient in far more serious situations. What was the urgency here?&lt;p&gt;The police officer &lt;i&gt;chose&lt;/i&gt; to escalate in a situation where the suspect was calm until he acted, and where his basis for wanting to search her vehicle in the first place was her fear reaction.&lt;p&gt;Police need to be able to handle people with mental health issues, so whether or not you think her fear was justified, their way of handling it demonstrated a total failure of compassion in a situation where they had no basis for knowing why she was expressing fear.&lt;p&gt;The issue remains all too often entirely &lt;i&gt;blind&lt;/i&gt; to this kind of fear because they don&amp;#x27;t believe it is real and fail to understand it, and reacts by making all kinds of flawed conclusions, like in this case where the footage shows signal after signal that her fear of him is genuine, and his response is to assume the only explanation is that she is hiding something.&lt;p&gt;As we know in retrospect, he demonstrated that he can not be relied on to make that kind of judgement.</text></comment>
<story><title>My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how NYPD impunity works</title><url>https://www.propublica.org/article/my-family-saw-a-police-car-hit-a-kid-on-halloween-then-i-learned-how-nypd-impunity-works</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>randompwd</author><text>Yes well done.&lt;p&gt;How do you think police determine if they&amp;#x27;re in limit or not. They test them. She could have been on her way in 5 minutes but chose to act like an idiot.</text></item><item><author>andyjohnson0</author><text>&amp;gt;Bear in mind she was stopped because the car she was in had (illegally) tinted front windows.&lt;p&gt;From the article linked in the parent&amp;#x27;s post:&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;&amp;quot;Court documents later established they were within the legal limit.&amp;quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;There was no need for the police to use violent force against this terrified woman, but they did it anyway.</text></item><item><author>randompwd</author><text>Please stop spreading nonsense.&lt;p&gt;For one, this person is not prominent by any definition of the word prominent.&lt;p&gt;Also, you can see the full bodycam footage and UK peoples take on this stop at &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;old.reddit.com&amp;#x2F;r&amp;#x2F;policeuk&amp;#x2F;comments&amp;#x2F;hbbhkb&amp;#x2F;a_calm_collected_officer_doing_this_job_perfectly&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;old.reddit.com&amp;#x2F;r&amp;#x2F;policeuk&amp;#x2F;comments&amp;#x2F;hbbhkb&amp;#x2F;a_calm_col...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Bear in mind she was stopped because the car she was in had (potentially illegally) tinted front windows.&lt;p&gt;All in all, she seems like someone who is ingesting too much American culture, most noticable in her saying: &amp;quot;You are killing black people&amp;quot; - what??</text></item><item><author>vidarh</author><text>We recently had a case in the UK where a prominent (as in winning the British Empire Medal for her services to nursing prominent) nurse was stopped by police, and was too scared to get out of the car.&lt;p&gt;When she told the police this, their response was &amp;quot;I don’t believe you because you’re talking to police officers.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;She ended up being arrested for obstruction because they kept failing to understand that her reluctance to comply was because &lt;i&gt;they&lt;/i&gt; terrified her, and they can be heard in the bodycam footage [1] going &amp;quot;This is nonsense, there&amp;#x27;s something in this vehicle&amp;quot; after listening to her telling her dad she&amp;#x27;s afraid the police officer is going to harm her.&lt;p&gt;When the police officer starts dragging her out, she is screaming over the phone for her dad to &lt;i&gt;call the police&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;p&gt;The officer is thankfully relatively calm, and it ended without physical harm to her, but this is a quite stark demonstration of the kind of fear the police has created, and how they then perpetuate that by not teaching their officers to understand the existence of that fear and interpret non-compliance resulting from that fear as indication of criminal activity.&lt;p&gt;She&amp;#x27;s was cleared, and is pursuing a claim against the police, but of course a claim will not address the fundamental ignorance among a lot of police officers about the fear they are inducing.&lt;p&gt;I can only imagine how much worse that fear must be in the US - at least in the UK police is rarely carrying firearms - and how awful that fear must be for parents.&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.theguardian.com&amp;#x2F;world&amp;#x2F;2020&amp;#x2F;jun&amp;#x2F;18&amp;#x2F;nurse-claims-met-police-wrongfully-arrested-her-because-she-black-neomi-bennett&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.theguardian.com&amp;#x2F;world&amp;#x2F;2020&amp;#x2F;jun&amp;#x2F;18&amp;#x2F;nurse-claims-m...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>pjc50</author><text>&amp;gt; “I blame myself,” she kept saying. “I never let him out on Halloween. A bunch of Black boys together. I shouldn’t have let him out. But he begged me.”&lt;p&gt;Notice that while average white parents might worry about criminals before letting their kids out on the street, the black parents worry (with good reason) about the police.&lt;p&gt;(Just to spell it out: this is why so many BLM activists feel comfortable saying &amp;quot;abolish the police&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;defund the police&amp;quot;, because from their point of view the police are the people most likely to assault or kill them or their children on the street, more so than random criminals)&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; “Young teens or pre-teens of color were handcuffed, arrested, or held at gunpoint while participating in age-appropriate activities such as running, playing with friends, high-fiving, sitting on a stoop, or carrying a backpack.”&lt;p&gt;This is child abuse.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>thephyber</author><text>&amp;gt; but chose to act like an idiot&lt;p&gt;Do people &lt;i&gt;choose&lt;/i&gt; to have panic attacks? There are lots of documented cases of people who have panic attacks on planes and flip out. Are they &amp;quot;idiots&amp;quot; in your mind?</text></comment>