<story><title>Heroku has been running a second copy of my scheduler instance</title><url>https://openfolder.sh/heroku-anti-dx</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>EntrePrescott</author><text>Kinda refreshing - within the ever growing genre of stories about Heroku&amp;#x27;s downfall into junk status - to find such an article with a higher level of detail and analysis of the origins of the problem.&lt;p&gt;There&amp;#x27;s one thing that somewhat surprised me though: this line:&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;quot;In 2018 Heroku was pretty much the only option for a newbie like me to get started with web-development&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;Was it? Really? I mean, I&amp;#x27;m not saying the author did anything wrong in choosing Heroku at the time (after all, who could have known back then what a dumpster fire Heroku would turn out to be), and the commercial success Heroku achieved before going down the gutter shows that it must have had some good reasons going for it, at least on paper before the users are confronted with problems that make them judge the situation differently…&lt;p&gt;… but I don&amp;#x27;t really get where that &amp;quot;pretty much the only option&amp;quot; vibe would come from. Maybe It&amp;#x27;s just me having completely different selection criteria, but from my perspective, there were lots of other options to &amp;quot;get started with web-development&amp;quot; and Heroku was just one among many. I don&amp;#x27;t see at all by what measure Heroku would have seemed like &amp;quot;pretty much the only option&amp;quot;?</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>danjac</author><text>Let&amp;#x27;s say you have never deployed anything to production before, and you&amp;#x27;ve worked through a tutorial in Rails or Django or whatever and just built your first web app, and it&amp;#x27;s 2018, what are your options?&lt;p&gt;There&amp;#x27;s the zoo of AWS. Maybe there&amp;#x27;s something there you can use - Lightsail came out I think in 2016 - but good luck trying to find it out of all the plethora of weirdly named services. Again, total beginner here, and AWS can be daunting even to experienced developers.&lt;p&gt;You can go with Linode or Digital Ocean. You would need to set up a VM with all the dependencies and make it secure. Oh and you&amp;#x27;ll need a database - should that sit on another VM? What about backup and restore? What about deployment? Sure, you can use Ansible, but that&amp;#x27;s yet another learning curve.&lt;p&gt;Render launched in 2019. Fly.io came out 2020. As far as I remember, there wasn&amp;#x27;t a competitor that offered the sheer convenience for the hobbyist beginner on the level of Heroku.</text></comment>
<story><title>Heroku has been running a second copy of my scheduler instance</title><url>https://openfolder.sh/heroku-anti-dx</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>EntrePrescott</author><text>Kinda refreshing - within the ever growing genre of stories about Heroku&amp;#x27;s downfall into junk status - to find such an article with a higher level of detail and analysis of the origins of the problem.&lt;p&gt;There&amp;#x27;s one thing that somewhat surprised me though: this line:&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;quot;In 2018 Heroku was pretty much the only option for a newbie like me to get started with web-development&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;Was it? Really? I mean, I&amp;#x27;m not saying the author did anything wrong in choosing Heroku at the time (after all, who could have known back then what a dumpster fire Heroku would turn out to be), and the commercial success Heroku achieved before going down the gutter shows that it must have had some good reasons going for it, at least on paper before the users are confronted with problems that make them judge the situation differently…&lt;p&gt;… but I don&amp;#x27;t really get where that &amp;quot;pretty much the only option&amp;quot; vibe would come from. Maybe It&amp;#x27;s just me having completely different selection criteria, but from my perspective, there were lots of other options to &amp;quot;get started with web-development&amp;quot; and Heroku was just one among many. I don&amp;#x27;t see at all by what measure Heroku would have seemed like &amp;quot;pretty much the only option&amp;quot;?</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>jazzyjackson</author><text>Assuming they wanted a webserver + database and wanted to learn web stuff, not server admin &amp;#x2F; unix stuff to configure a LAMP stack or whathaveyou + certbot etc. Deploying on your own domain of legitimately daunting without a lot of prerequisite knowledge. Heroku automated a lot of that and some people learned it as the only way to deploy without learning the manual process first, and that&amp;#x27;s fine IMO.</text></comment>