<story><title>Spain Runs Out of Workers with Almost 5M Unemployed</title><url>http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-01/spain-is-running-out-of-workers-with-almost-5-million-unemployed</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>vemv</author><text>Spanish dev here, 3 years in the business, been twice a freelancer and twice an employee. My main complaints:&lt;p&gt;- The maximum salary a developer can earn at any given company is almost written in stone - around 36000 euros. Every public job posting will have that figure as the max. When it&amp;#x27;s higher, they&amp;#x27;ll water it down in the interview.&lt;p&gt;Why? Probably because they don&amp;#x27;t have the notion of a 10x programmer at all. We all are perceived as &amp;#x27;equal&amp;#x27; or even replaceable.&lt;p&gt;- Also, companies are scared of the mere possibility of their programmers leaving. The sole hint of that you may leave will turn their red alarms on, and they&amp;#x27;ll start searching a replacement.&lt;p&gt;There rarely exists here the mentality that a work relationship is a commercial exchange, not an intimate family-like relationship. Being open to the market is not &amp;#x27;treason&amp;#x27;.&lt;p&gt;- Tech stacks tend to be years behind San Francisco, whether is languages, frameworks, ops practices...&lt;p&gt;- Functional programming opportunities extremely scarce. Elixir is gaining traction here though.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>gutnor</author><text>It used to be better - I was looking for work in Spain just before the crisis. A senior dev could easily do 50K, banking positions were 70K and up.&lt;p&gt;Nowadays however, you can&amp;#x27;t find anything over 35K that is related to development -and- in Spain ( i.e. not a position in Germany)&lt;p&gt;Anyway - Spain does not have a problem of running out of worker, it has a problem of not paying those workers. I have been looking for years to go back to Spain but the job market is just completely unrealistic. I&amp;#x27;m highly skeptical of the 200K figure in the article. Of course, job offers in Spain often do not specify the salary at all, but I have regularly seen director level position for about 70-90K.</text></comment>
<story><title>Spain Runs Out of Workers with Almost 5M Unemployed</title><url>http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-01/spain-is-running-out-of-workers-with-almost-5-million-unemployed</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>vemv</author><text>Spanish dev here, 3 years in the business, been twice a freelancer and twice an employee. My main complaints:&lt;p&gt;- The maximum salary a developer can earn at any given company is almost written in stone - around 36000 euros. Every public job posting will have that figure as the max. When it&amp;#x27;s higher, they&amp;#x27;ll water it down in the interview.&lt;p&gt;Why? Probably because they don&amp;#x27;t have the notion of a 10x programmer at all. We all are perceived as &amp;#x27;equal&amp;#x27; or even replaceable.&lt;p&gt;- Also, companies are scared of the mere possibility of their programmers leaving. The sole hint of that you may leave will turn their red alarms on, and they&amp;#x27;ll start searching a replacement.&lt;p&gt;There rarely exists here the mentality that a work relationship is a commercial exchange, not an intimate family-like relationship. Being open to the market is not &amp;#x27;treason&amp;#x27;.&lt;p&gt;- Tech stacks tend to be years behind San Francisco, whether is languages, frameworks, ops practices...&lt;p&gt;- Functional programming opportunities extremely scarce. Elixir is gaining traction here though.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>Jare</author><text>Leaving aside the validity of the 10x programmer concept, the company still needs to be able to extract that extra performance in actual value. Most software jobs in Spain don&amp;#x27;t have productivity of that kind. Almost no companies here develop software products or services whose effectiveness translates directly into revenue. Very few of those who have tried have had any sort of long-term success.</text></comment>