<story><title>Copilot sells code other people wrote</title><url>https://twitter.com/ReinH/status/1539626662274269185</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>Guid_NewGuid</author><text>Yes they haven&amp;#x27;t paid it forward, or back, but why fight on the occupier&amp;#x27;s territory. By calling for legal frameworks to enforce this we accept the language and terms of the dominant party. By using courts and the law and creating new law for copyright we actually move further from the goal of abolishing copyright and IP entirely.&lt;p&gt;Every time we use courts to enforce IP we&amp;#x27;re strengthening the Walt Disneys and Nintendos of the world.&lt;p&gt;(I accept I am in a group of like 3 people with this goal but it&amp;#x27;s my view)&lt;p&gt;Edit: to expand slightly more on this. People should be able to decompile&amp;#x2F;reverse engineer whatever the hell they want. They shouldn&amp;#x27;t have to worry about armed goons kicking down their doors. Every time cases are used to strengthen the enforcement of IP&amp;#x2F;licensing, whether for the light (FSF) or dark (Micro$oft, Google, etc) the outcome is the same, we move further from that goal.</text></item><item><author>sirsinsalot</author><text>&amp;quot;A commons of knowledge is a public good.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;Yes but this copilot model takes that, adds value and doesn&amp;#x27;t itself join the public common good. Instead it takes it, and makes you pay to have it back in another form.&lt;p&gt;If copilot were open source and the model released for the public good, being built of public data (in your scenario) we would have a very different conversation.</text></item><item><author>Guid_NewGuid</author><text>I find this whole topic very annoying, this is like the 3rd variation to reach the front page today. But it has made me realize why I instinctively dislike Free Software as a movement.&lt;p&gt;Copyright and licensing are bad, actually. Stop getting worked up about the idea of using courts to punish theft. Stop getting into a frenzy of arousal about the police kicking down doors to drag Billy Gates to jail because 80 characters of fast square root is theft but 79 isn&amp;#x27;t.&lt;p&gt;Where on earth is the ambition and vision!? Knowledge is public domain. A commons of knowledge is a public good. The cost of code copying is zero.&lt;p&gt;Sure in our day job we have to pretend to care about this stuff. But when did the ideological scope of what can be achieved become rules lawyering over license text.&lt;p&gt;Copy my MIT licensed code without attribution? I don&amp;#x27;t give a shit, go ahead, I hope it helps, in fact I want a truly public domain license but copyright law is so hostage to corporate interests no such thing exists in many countries.&lt;p&gt;Free the code.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>matheusmoreira</author><text>&amp;gt; the goal of abolishing copyright and IP entirely&lt;p&gt;Completely agree with you. It&amp;#x27;s the 21st century, once data has been published there is no controlling it anymore and all attempts to do so lead to the destruction of computer freedom. No doubt people all over the world copy code every single day with nobody even finding out about it. I&amp;#x27;d rather get rid of all these monopolists than limit the potential of computers to whatever reality enables them.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt;I accept I am in a group of like 3 people with this goal but it&amp;#x27;s my view&lt;p&gt;Now we&amp;#x27;re four.</text></comment>
<story><title>Copilot sells code other people wrote</title><url>https://twitter.com/ReinH/status/1539626662274269185</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>Guid_NewGuid</author><text>Yes they haven&amp;#x27;t paid it forward, or back, but why fight on the occupier&amp;#x27;s territory. By calling for legal frameworks to enforce this we accept the language and terms of the dominant party. By using courts and the law and creating new law for copyright we actually move further from the goal of abolishing copyright and IP entirely.&lt;p&gt;Every time we use courts to enforce IP we&amp;#x27;re strengthening the Walt Disneys and Nintendos of the world.&lt;p&gt;(I accept I am in a group of like 3 people with this goal but it&amp;#x27;s my view)&lt;p&gt;Edit: to expand slightly more on this. People should be able to decompile&amp;#x2F;reverse engineer whatever the hell they want. They shouldn&amp;#x27;t have to worry about armed goons kicking down their doors. Every time cases are used to strengthen the enforcement of IP&amp;#x2F;licensing, whether for the light (FSF) or dark (Micro$oft, Google, etc) the outcome is the same, we move further from that goal.</text></item><item><author>sirsinsalot</author><text>&amp;quot;A commons of knowledge is a public good.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;Yes but this copilot model takes that, adds value and doesn&amp;#x27;t itself join the public common good. Instead it takes it, and makes you pay to have it back in another form.&lt;p&gt;If copilot were open source and the model released for the public good, being built of public data (in your scenario) we would have a very different conversation.</text></item><item><author>Guid_NewGuid</author><text>I find this whole topic very annoying, this is like the 3rd variation to reach the front page today. But it has made me realize why I instinctively dislike Free Software as a movement.&lt;p&gt;Copyright and licensing are bad, actually. Stop getting worked up about the idea of using courts to punish theft. Stop getting into a frenzy of arousal about the police kicking down doors to drag Billy Gates to jail because 80 characters of fast square root is theft but 79 isn&amp;#x27;t.&lt;p&gt;Where on earth is the ambition and vision!? Knowledge is public domain. A commons of knowledge is a public good. The cost of code copying is zero.&lt;p&gt;Sure in our day job we have to pretend to care about this stuff. But when did the ideological scope of what can be achieved become rules lawyering over license text.&lt;p&gt;Copy my MIT licensed code without attribution? I don&amp;#x27;t give a shit, go ahead, I hope it helps, in fact I want a truly public domain license but copyright law is so hostage to corporate interests no such thing exists in many countries.&lt;p&gt;Free the code.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>handoflixue</author><text>&amp;gt; Every time we use courts to enforce IP we&amp;#x27;re strengthening the Walt Disneys and Nintendos of the world.&lt;p&gt;Can you actually point to substantial examples where Disney or Nintendo benefited significantly from a precedent set by an open source court case? Open source has been around for decades, so it should be trivial to find numerous clear-cut examples at this point... if your theory is actually correct.</text></comment>