<story><title>Berlin&apos;s techno scene added to Unesco intangible cultural heritage list</title><url>https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/15/berlins-techno-scene-added-to-unesco-intangible-cultural-heritage-list</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>ricksunny</author><text>Can you distinguish these two?  In my head EDM &amp;amp; techno occupy the same space.</text></item><item><author>earthnail</author><text>EDM isn&amp;#x27;t Techno. It&amp;#x27;s a bit like saying that hard rock is like metal (somewhat bad analogy, but I hope you get the point). I know you listed a range of genres but it&amp;#x27;s important to note that the Berlin techno scene would never consider itself part of EDM.&lt;p&gt;In Europe, most EDM is happening in Amsterdam.</text></item><item><author>ehnto</author><text>Is this specifically techno&amp;#x2F;underground clubs you mean? My pokey city in Aus has like a dozen &amp;quot;EDM&amp;quot; clubs that spin a decent breadth of techno to house to dnb etc. Perhaps I should count myself lucky?</text></item><item><author>omnimus</author><text>Nothing even compares to Berlin. Prague has basically 2 clubs and they are working partly because it&amp;#x27;s cheap and only 4hour train from Berlin so it&amp;#x27;s fun destination for both Berliners and Berlin DJS.
Athens is where lots of the techno scene (djs, producers) has been moving to but that&amp;#x27;s because property is cheap so they can run away from Berlin winter. It also has like 2 clubs.
In Berlin there are so many venues it&amp;#x27;s hard to remember them.</text></item><item><author>larodi</author><text>According to many people, including record shop owners I’ve talked to, Berlin’s scene is actually not so underground and not so cool anymore as a result of tourism and immigration. Rich people nowadays buy property in Potsdam, and the scene is moving towards Leipzig.&lt;p&gt;In a more general sense the old rave cities are making way, and have been making way, to other cities. A movement spanning more than 20 years now, thanks to very active promoter teams, leads to Lyon, Prague, Zagreb, Thessaloniki and even Sofia.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>empath-nirvana</author><text>There&amp;#x27;s two definitions of EDM, the first is it&amp;#x27;s original intended definition, which was as a blanket classification for all electronic dance music -- techno, jungle, house, dubstep, whatever.  Instead of calling it techno or electronica, or whatever, EDM was meant to encompass all of it.&lt;p&gt;Almost immediately after the term started being used, though, it became strongly associated with a particular type of dance music -- namely the mainstream house music that got played at big &amp;quot;EDM&amp;quot; festivals -- think David Guetta and Afrojack and Avicii and Tiesto...  They used a blanket term when putting the festival together because the festival booked all kinds of dance music, but the main stages were dominated by a particular kind of dance music, so for most people that went to those festivals, that was the kind of music they associated with EDM.&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;Techno&amp;quot; went through a similar evolution.  It was originally a term for a particular subgenre of disco and kraftwerk influenced dance music coming out of detroit in the 1980s, around the same time that house music was starting up in Chicago and garage music started up in New York.  It pushed further into pure electronic sounds than house and garage did (at first) and early techno compilations solidified in people&amp;#x27;s minds that electronic music was &amp;quot;techno&amp;quot;, especially in america, so &amp;quot;techno&amp;quot; for a while became a catch-all term for all kinds of electronic music.  That faded away when &amp;quot;electronica&amp;quot; and then &amp;quot;edm&amp;quot; sort of took on that role, and techno continued as a subgenre of music by itself.&lt;p&gt;So, I think, properly, techno is a _sub genre_ of &amp;quot;electronic dance music&amp;quot; in the general sense, but is a different genre than what a lot of people think of as EDM (the kind of house music played at large festivals).</text></comment>
<story><title>Berlin&apos;s techno scene added to Unesco intangible cultural heritage list</title><url>https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/15/berlins-techno-scene-added-to-unesco-intangible-cultural-heritage-list</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>ricksunny</author><text>Can you distinguish these two?  In my head EDM &amp;amp; techno occupy the same space.</text></item><item><author>earthnail</author><text>EDM isn&amp;#x27;t Techno. It&amp;#x27;s a bit like saying that hard rock is like metal (somewhat bad analogy, but I hope you get the point). I know you listed a range of genres but it&amp;#x27;s important to note that the Berlin techno scene would never consider itself part of EDM.&lt;p&gt;In Europe, most EDM is happening in Amsterdam.</text></item><item><author>ehnto</author><text>Is this specifically techno&amp;#x2F;underground clubs you mean? My pokey city in Aus has like a dozen &amp;quot;EDM&amp;quot; clubs that spin a decent breadth of techno to house to dnb etc. Perhaps I should count myself lucky?</text></item><item><author>omnimus</author><text>Nothing even compares to Berlin. Prague has basically 2 clubs and they are working partly because it&amp;#x27;s cheap and only 4hour train from Berlin so it&amp;#x27;s fun destination for both Berliners and Berlin DJS.
Athens is where lots of the techno scene (djs, producers) has been moving to but that&amp;#x27;s because property is cheap so they can run away from Berlin winter. It also has like 2 clubs.
In Berlin there are so many venues it&amp;#x27;s hard to remember them.</text></item><item><author>larodi</author><text>According to many people, including record shop owners I’ve talked to, Berlin’s scene is actually not so underground and not so cool anymore as a result of tourism and immigration. Rich people nowadays buy property in Potsdam, and the scene is moving towards Leipzig.&lt;p&gt;In a more general sense the old rave cities are making way, and have been making way, to other cities. A movement spanning more than 20 years now, thanks to very active promoter teams, leads to Lyon, Prague, Zagreb, Thessaloniki and even Sofia.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>jahnu</author><text>The exact meaning of EDM has shifted over the years but I would say that currently it means stuff like Skrillex and Hardwell whereas techno is more like Carl Craig or Inigo Kennedy or Charlotte de Witte</text></comment>