<story><title>Toyota &apos;reviewing&apos; key fob remote start subscription plan after blowback</title><url>https://www.thedrive.com/news/43636/toyota-reviewing-key-fob-remote-start-subscription-plan-after-massive-blowback</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>perryizgr8</author><text>&amp;gt; Its a stick shift so remote start is pointless since someone has to press the clutch in.&lt;p&gt;I have driven stick shift cars my whole life, and never encountered one where I had to press in the clutch to start the engine.</text></item><item><author>overgard</author><text>So Ive bought two cars this year, a 2013 Kia and a 2022 Subaru BRZ.&lt;p&gt;On the Kia, the first day I used it the radio just froze up. I had to get a tooth pick to push the hidden reboot button. Every time I start the car the volume on the radio is deafening even though I turned it off at a low volume. It also attempts to download my music off my phone even though Im using spotify. Every time. There are firmware updates... if you have the 2014 model. The worst thing it did is randomly dial 911 when my phone was connected despite absolutely nothing having happened.&lt;p&gt;My BRZ has a more modern setup, that absolutely does not work with apple car play. I had it working for ten minutes and then it just randomly stopped. This is a brand new car and a brand new phone. Also replacement keys are absurdly expensive in order to provide me the benefit of... not turning a key? Its a stick shift so remote start is pointless since someone has to press the clutch in.&lt;p&gt;Im basically better off with the aux port.&lt;p&gt;Yes the internal engine electronics are nice but my experience with anything in the cabin is that it quickly becomes trash. The thing that annoys me is that when I inevitably have to replace these things, Im certain its going to be incredibly overpriced and I will have used like zero of its broken features.&lt;p&gt;The car I used to have, a 2013 FRS... perfect. Very basic stereo. All analog guages. Nothing went wrong ever.</text></item><item><author>makeitdouble</author><text>My impression is most of the electronic stuff added to cars went for the better (literally lifes saved)&lt;p&gt;Electronic injection control, ABS, suspension control, tire pressure sensors, near objects detection, backing monitor, automatic climate control etc.&lt;p&gt;The buggy stuff stands out while the careful done part doesn’t get much attention, as usual (and I think it should be so, we’re supposed to use as naturally as possible)&lt;p&gt;PS: most 20 years old cars are death traps compared to current cars, I’m not sure it’s a good advice to push people to keep using them for that long.</text></item><item><author>overgard</author><text>To be honest, I kind of just hate having computers and wireless stuff built into cars in general. My experience is it&amp;#x27;s always buggy, and after two or three years it&amp;#x27;s mostly obsolete. Admittedly I am a dinosaur, I just bought a new car and it&amp;#x27;s a stick shift, but I feel like a decent car will last you 15-20 years and how many of you are using 20 year old computers?&lt;p&gt;Also the cell connection seems problematic. Like, 4 years ago I bought my uncle a phone, and I just got notice that I have to upgrade him because t-mobiles 3g is going away. How many of my cars fancy connected features will work in 4 years?</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>mulmen</author><text>Wait, &lt;i&gt;what&lt;/i&gt;?  You... start your car in neutral?  Like... with the clutch out?  I have never actually tried that.  I will have to experiment next time I am in my car.&lt;p&gt;On the other hand my 1990 Honda motorcycle &lt;i&gt;must&lt;/i&gt; be in neutral to start (there is no clutch position switch) and I don&amp;#x27;t use the clutch there.  Very handy because people love to sit on it for selfies when I park it and they tend to jam it into gear while crawling on it.  I assume it is in neutral (I always park that way) and if I hit the starter in gear it would shoot across the street.  Thinking about it I suppose that protects me from bumping the starter while riding as well.</text></comment>
<story><title>Toyota &apos;reviewing&apos; key fob remote start subscription plan after blowback</title><url>https://www.thedrive.com/news/43636/toyota-reviewing-key-fob-remote-start-subscription-plan-after-massive-blowback</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>perryizgr8</author><text>&amp;gt; Its a stick shift so remote start is pointless since someone has to press the clutch in.&lt;p&gt;I have driven stick shift cars my whole life, and never encountered one where I had to press in the clutch to start the engine.</text></item><item><author>overgard</author><text>So Ive bought two cars this year, a 2013 Kia and a 2022 Subaru BRZ.&lt;p&gt;On the Kia, the first day I used it the radio just froze up. I had to get a tooth pick to push the hidden reboot button. Every time I start the car the volume on the radio is deafening even though I turned it off at a low volume. It also attempts to download my music off my phone even though Im using spotify. Every time. There are firmware updates... if you have the 2014 model. The worst thing it did is randomly dial 911 when my phone was connected despite absolutely nothing having happened.&lt;p&gt;My BRZ has a more modern setup, that absolutely does not work with apple car play. I had it working for ten minutes and then it just randomly stopped. This is a brand new car and a brand new phone. Also replacement keys are absurdly expensive in order to provide me the benefit of... not turning a key? Its a stick shift so remote start is pointless since someone has to press the clutch in.&lt;p&gt;Im basically better off with the aux port.&lt;p&gt;Yes the internal engine electronics are nice but my experience with anything in the cabin is that it quickly becomes trash. The thing that annoys me is that when I inevitably have to replace these things, Im certain its going to be incredibly overpriced and I will have used like zero of its broken features.&lt;p&gt;The car I used to have, a 2013 FRS... perfect. Very basic stereo. All analog guages. Nothing went wrong ever.</text></item><item><author>makeitdouble</author><text>My impression is most of the electronic stuff added to cars went for the better (literally lifes saved)&lt;p&gt;Electronic injection control, ABS, suspension control, tire pressure sensors, near objects detection, backing monitor, automatic climate control etc.&lt;p&gt;The buggy stuff stands out while the careful done part doesn’t get much attention, as usual (and I think it should be so, we’re supposed to use as naturally as possible)&lt;p&gt;PS: most 20 years old cars are death traps compared to current cars, I’m not sure it’s a good advice to push people to keep using them for that long.</text></item><item><author>overgard</author><text>To be honest, I kind of just hate having computers and wireless stuff built into cars in general. My experience is it&amp;#x27;s always buggy, and after two or three years it&amp;#x27;s mostly obsolete. Admittedly I am a dinosaur, I just bought a new car and it&amp;#x27;s a stick shift, but I feel like a decent car will last you 15-20 years and how many of you are using 20 year old computers?&lt;p&gt;Also the cell connection seems problematic. Like, 4 years ago I bought my uncle a phone, and I just got notice that I have to upgrade him because t-mobiles 3g is going away. How many of my cars fancy connected features will work in 4 years?</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>to11mtm</author><text>Really?&lt;p&gt;Every stick car I&amp;#x27;ve owned (2.5 Saturns, 1 Subaru) has had some sort of interlock switch set up such that if the clutch pedal was not pressed in, turning the ignition would do nothing, whether or not the Car is in gear.</text></comment>