<story><title>Suicides in Rural America Increased More Than 40% in 16 Years</title><url>http://acsh.org/news/2017/03/16/suicides-rural-america-increased-more-40-16-years-11010</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>jbhatab</author><text>Yes so you want to have every move to the city where the opportunities are. Which may be fine, but imagine for a second someone telling you that &amp;#x27;you should just move from where you are because where you were born isn&amp;#x27;t good enough&amp;#x27;. Not very considerate. Also, they would be thrown into an environment that is wildly different than there own with far less money than everyone else and lack of skillets and knowledge to thrive.&lt;p&gt;They would be an extreme disadvatantage. Now I don&amp;#x27;t disagree that that may be a solution, but seriously take a step back. Ask yourself if you think you just said is empathatic towards people in rural America?&lt;p&gt;Ask yourself if you had said that about other issues in America. &amp;#x27;Why can&amp;#x27;t black people just start learning how to code to catch up?&amp;#x27; &amp;#x27;Why can&amp;#x27;t gays just get over not being able to be officially married?&amp;#x27;&lt;p&gt;Basically what you&amp;#x27;re saying is &amp;#x27;why cant people that aren&amp;#x27;t me adapt to how I operate?&amp;#x27;</text></item><item><author>w1ntermute</author><text>&amp;gt; It&amp;#x27;s lack of opportunity. What is your answer to that? Tesla isn&amp;#x27;t opening up a factory in New Hampshire anytime soon.&lt;p&gt;In generations past, Americans picked up and moved to where the opportunity was, rather than staying put. Why is it unreasonable to expect the same now?&lt;p&gt;The economy has permanently changed - those jobs are never coming back. On the other hand, moving is far, far easier in 2017 than it was for those on the Oregon Trail or the Mayflower.</text></item><item><author>jbhatab</author><text>Giving money is not the issue in rural America. It&amp;#x27;s not social welfare such as health insurance or anything of the sort. If anything I&amp;#x27;d say there&amp;#x27;s a lot of disgust with how many rural Americans live off the system.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s lack of opportunity. What is your answer to that? Tesla isn&amp;#x27;t opening up a factory in New Hampshire anytime soon. There certainly isn&amp;#x27;t as many amazing colleges such as UC berkley there. Throwing money into unemployment and welfare won&amp;#x27;t solve the problem at all.&lt;p&gt;Trump literally said I will fight to get you jobs back. Ignore if that is true. Ignore if he is an idiot. Ignore if that works in the long term. He was the only candidate that actually said a single idea that was directly aimed at helping them.</text></item><item><author>loeg</author><text>&amp;quot;People in the cities&amp;quot; (who tend to be strongly left-leaning) literally &lt;i&gt;want&lt;/i&gt; to give money to the less well-off people in rural areas to help support them.  It&amp;#x27;s the right-leaning candidates who are opposed to wealth redistribution.&lt;p&gt;Who is missing empathy for whom?  From my perspective, the fiscal conservatives from the rural areas have relatively less empathy than vice versa.</text></item><item><author>jbhatab</author><text>The lack of opportunity in rural America is disheartening to say the least. I feel the election of Trump is a direct reflection of the lack of empathy people have from cities have for rural America.&lt;p&gt;I grew up in New Hampshire in a very rural town with a population of 4,000. Rural life sat well with some of my peers, but I loved tech and quickly left through college enabled by my parents ability to point me in the right direction, which many of my peers didn&amp;#x27;t have. The difference in opportunity I saw in the cities versus New Hampshire was staggering, not even comparable. I&amp;#x27;ve enjoyed my life as I&amp;#x27;ve explored more of America and ended up in the Bay, but every time I go back to New Hampshire there is always a tally of people I knew who died to Heroin. That or one of my friends succumbing to their addictions again. I know these people extremely well and I can confidently say the only difference between me and them was opportunities to enable my mind and parenting. It&amp;#x27;s disgusting honestly.&lt;p&gt;Now I would love to solve this problem, but the lack of empathy I&amp;#x27;ve seen in the cities for these people is the worst piece of this puzzle. People in cities have the privilege of wealth and the ability to direct America in a way rural America doesn&amp;#x27;t. The issues they face in rural America are completely ignored. While they cite that the popular vote strongly favored Hilary, they forget why the electoral college was created. To help rural America from being completely ignored while the cities with denser populations sway the votes towards their issues.&lt;p&gt;I encourage everyone to go talk to a person in a rural county that is provided cheap heroin through foreign drug smuggling groups that don&amp;#x27;t have any opportunities. Empathize with their problems. Do I think transgender deserve equal rights? Absolutely. But go to a town ravaged by heroin and lack of financial growth and bring up transgender bathrooms to them. They will be baffled by your lack of knowledge of how their lives operate.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>closeparen</author><text>&amp;gt;but imagine for a second someone telling you that &amp;#x27;you should just move from where you are because where you were born isn&amp;#x27;t good enough&amp;#x27;&lt;p&gt;I don&amp;#x27;t have to imagine it. There are 8 cities between my great-grandfather and me.&lt;p&gt;- Russia (we don&amp;#x27;t know what city), where my great-grandfather was born.&lt;p&gt;- St. Louis, where my great-grandfather settled as a refugee from the pogroms (he was Jewish).&lt;p&gt;- Chicago, where my great-grandfather relocated for work and my grandfather did undergrad-&amp;gt;PhD.&lt;p&gt;- Seattle, where my grandfather moved after graduation and met my grandmother from Ottawa.&lt;p&gt;- Lawrence, KS., where my grandfather got his faculty job and where my parents met.&lt;p&gt;- Rochester, NY. where my parents moved after college.&lt;p&gt;- Milwaukee, WI. because the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle was written during the evenings and delivered in the afternoon, while the Milwaukee Journal was written during the business day and delivered the following morning. My dad was a journalist and my mom was a teacher (they have both changed careers now) and they wanted to have dinner together.&lt;p&gt;- Chicago again, where I went to college.&lt;p&gt;- Berkeley, CA. where I now live for my software engineering job in San Francisco.&lt;p&gt;My family is privileged in many ways (white skin, tradition of going to college, supportive households, etc). But no one in my family&amp;#x27;s history has had the incredible privilege of being born in a place that remains suitable for an entire lifetime, much less multiple generations of lifetimes. I cannot even comprehend what it would be like to be born in a place I could stay in forever while having a decent career. That must be nice if you can get it.&lt;p&gt;In terms of public policy, I&amp;#x27;d consider that kind of luxury to be on par with owning a vacation home. Yeah, it&amp;#x27;d be nice if everyone could have that, but there are much more pressing problems to solve.</text></comment>
<story><title>Suicides in Rural America Increased More Than 40% in 16 Years</title><url>http://acsh.org/news/2017/03/16/suicides-rural-america-increased-more-40-16-years-11010</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>jbhatab</author><text>Yes so you want to have every move to the city where the opportunities are. Which may be fine, but imagine for a second someone telling you that &amp;#x27;you should just move from where you are because where you were born isn&amp;#x27;t good enough&amp;#x27;. Not very considerate. Also, they would be thrown into an environment that is wildly different than there own with far less money than everyone else and lack of skillets and knowledge to thrive.&lt;p&gt;They would be an extreme disadvatantage. Now I don&amp;#x27;t disagree that that may be a solution, but seriously take a step back. Ask yourself if you think you just said is empathatic towards people in rural America?&lt;p&gt;Ask yourself if you had said that about other issues in America. &amp;#x27;Why can&amp;#x27;t black people just start learning how to code to catch up?&amp;#x27; &amp;#x27;Why can&amp;#x27;t gays just get over not being able to be officially married?&amp;#x27;&lt;p&gt;Basically what you&amp;#x27;re saying is &amp;#x27;why cant people that aren&amp;#x27;t me adapt to how I operate?&amp;#x27;</text></item><item><author>w1ntermute</author><text>&amp;gt; It&amp;#x27;s lack of opportunity. What is your answer to that? Tesla isn&amp;#x27;t opening up a factory in New Hampshire anytime soon.&lt;p&gt;In generations past, Americans picked up and moved to where the opportunity was, rather than staying put. Why is it unreasonable to expect the same now?&lt;p&gt;The economy has permanently changed - those jobs are never coming back. On the other hand, moving is far, far easier in 2017 than it was for those on the Oregon Trail or the Mayflower.</text></item><item><author>jbhatab</author><text>Giving money is not the issue in rural America. It&amp;#x27;s not social welfare such as health insurance or anything of the sort. If anything I&amp;#x27;d say there&amp;#x27;s a lot of disgust with how many rural Americans live off the system.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s lack of opportunity. What is your answer to that? Tesla isn&amp;#x27;t opening up a factory in New Hampshire anytime soon. There certainly isn&amp;#x27;t as many amazing colleges such as UC berkley there. Throwing money into unemployment and welfare won&amp;#x27;t solve the problem at all.&lt;p&gt;Trump literally said I will fight to get you jobs back. Ignore if that is true. Ignore if he is an idiot. Ignore if that works in the long term. He was the only candidate that actually said a single idea that was directly aimed at helping them.</text></item><item><author>loeg</author><text>&amp;quot;People in the cities&amp;quot; (who tend to be strongly left-leaning) literally &lt;i&gt;want&lt;/i&gt; to give money to the less well-off people in rural areas to help support them.  It&amp;#x27;s the right-leaning candidates who are opposed to wealth redistribution.&lt;p&gt;Who is missing empathy for whom?  From my perspective, the fiscal conservatives from the rural areas have relatively less empathy than vice versa.</text></item><item><author>jbhatab</author><text>The lack of opportunity in rural America is disheartening to say the least. I feel the election of Trump is a direct reflection of the lack of empathy people have from cities have for rural America.&lt;p&gt;I grew up in New Hampshire in a very rural town with a population of 4,000. Rural life sat well with some of my peers, but I loved tech and quickly left through college enabled by my parents ability to point me in the right direction, which many of my peers didn&amp;#x27;t have. The difference in opportunity I saw in the cities versus New Hampshire was staggering, not even comparable. I&amp;#x27;ve enjoyed my life as I&amp;#x27;ve explored more of America and ended up in the Bay, but every time I go back to New Hampshire there is always a tally of people I knew who died to Heroin. That or one of my friends succumbing to their addictions again. I know these people extremely well and I can confidently say the only difference between me and them was opportunities to enable my mind and parenting. It&amp;#x27;s disgusting honestly.&lt;p&gt;Now I would love to solve this problem, but the lack of empathy I&amp;#x27;ve seen in the cities for these people is the worst piece of this puzzle. People in cities have the privilege of wealth and the ability to direct America in a way rural America doesn&amp;#x27;t. The issues they face in rural America are completely ignored. While they cite that the popular vote strongly favored Hilary, they forget why the electoral college was created. To help rural America from being completely ignored while the cities with denser populations sway the votes towards their issues.&lt;p&gt;I encourage everyone to go talk to a person in a rural county that is provided cheap heroin through foreign drug smuggling groups that don&amp;#x27;t have any opportunities. Empathize with their problems. Do I think transgender deserve equal rights? Absolutely. But go to a town ravaged by heroin and lack of financial growth and bring up transgender bathrooms to them. They will be baffled by your lack of knowledge of how their lives operate.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>TuringNYC</author><text>&amp;gt; imagine for a second someone telling you that &amp;#x27;you should just move from where you are because where you were born isn&amp;#x27;t good enough&amp;#x27;&lt;p&gt;Now imagine telling a corporation that &amp;#x27;you must build your factory only in City X&amp;#x27; -- why should they?  They will build where they find space at good rents and an industrial ecosystem and workers.&lt;p&gt;What if the factory owner lives in California.  So he has to move his life across the country and build in New Hampshire because a rural worker in New Hampshire didn&amp;#x27;t want to move themselves?  How does this make sense?</text></comment>