<story><title>Tesla owners asking what happens if &apos;full self driving&apos; isn&apos;t real</title><url>https://jalopnik.com/tesla-owners-take-to-reddit-asking-what-happens-if-full-1846553907</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>perl4ever</author><text>I have one of the cheaper cars that has some of the newly standard assistance tech, and after about six months, I think the best of it is the adaptive cruise control. I didn&amp;#x27;t think it was more than a gimmick at first, but I&amp;#x27;ve started using it, and it transfers a significant mental burden so that I feel more relaxed on the highway, almost as if I was a passenger. It complements a hybrid very well; somehow it&amp;#x27;s psychologically easier to follow someone slow when the car automatically keeps its distance.&lt;p&gt;However, the lane keeping assist does not seem like a good idea to me. It sort of works, but I never know if it will lose track of the lane suddenly. When there is an exit or something that breaks the lines, I think of the Tesla crash I read about. When there is a curve in the road, it seems like there is a threshold beyond which it doesn&amp;#x27;t try to follow. So it amounts to an unpredictable resistance of the power steering, and doesn&amp;#x27;t reduce the driver&amp;#x27;s workload at all, in my opinion. Maybe it&amp;#x27;s supposed to be used on straight highways, but if it worked without attention for a while, that seems even more hazardous.&lt;p&gt;I wonder if that could be a direction to go in - future cars could let the driver steer, but mostly figure out going and stopping on their own.</text></item><item><author>noodlesUK</author><text>I think most people who specialize in this area on HN know that L5 (or even L4) on existing vehicles on the road today is unlikely to happen. Waymo is by far the furthest ahead, and they are basically at a good level 4, and that’s with cars with a suite of sensors that would make any Tesla blush.&lt;p&gt;Autonomous cars are coming. They just will come first to specific areas where the cars are more experienced, like waymo does in Phoenix, and the cars themselves will be purpose built. As we are building more infrastructure, we could endeavor to do it in ways that make it easier for cars to drive autonomously, with things like grade separated or other protected bike lanes, clearer signage, and other accommodations that will make things easier and safer for human and ML drivers.&lt;p&gt;It’s crazy irresponsible that Tesla switched on what they did and marketed it as FSD, and it’ll set back self driving cars years when people start getting into collisions.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>_trampeltier</author><text>The lane keeping assistant from an rental Audi (2019 model) tryed to crash me several times to a tunnel wall. Suddenly the car tryed to turn hard right into the wall. It was very scary.</text></comment>
<story><title>Tesla owners asking what happens if &apos;full self driving&apos; isn&apos;t real</title><url>https://jalopnik.com/tesla-owners-take-to-reddit-asking-what-happens-if-full-1846553907</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>perl4ever</author><text>I have one of the cheaper cars that has some of the newly standard assistance tech, and after about six months, I think the best of it is the adaptive cruise control. I didn&amp;#x27;t think it was more than a gimmick at first, but I&amp;#x27;ve started using it, and it transfers a significant mental burden so that I feel more relaxed on the highway, almost as if I was a passenger. It complements a hybrid very well; somehow it&amp;#x27;s psychologically easier to follow someone slow when the car automatically keeps its distance.&lt;p&gt;However, the lane keeping assist does not seem like a good idea to me. It sort of works, but I never know if it will lose track of the lane suddenly. When there is an exit or something that breaks the lines, I think of the Tesla crash I read about. When there is a curve in the road, it seems like there is a threshold beyond which it doesn&amp;#x27;t try to follow. So it amounts to an unpredictable resistance of the power steering, and doesn&amp;#x27;t reduce the driver&amp;#x27;s workload at all, in my opinion. Maybe it&amp;#x27;s supposed to be used on straight highways, but if it worked without attention for a while, that seems even more hazardous.&lt;p&gt;I wonder if that could be a direction to go in - future cars could let the driver steer, but mostly figure out going and stopping on their own.</text></item><item><author>noodlesUK</author><text>I think most people who specialize in this area on HN know that L5 (or even L4) on existing vehicles on the road today is unlikely to happen. Waymo is by far the furthest ahead, and they are basically at a good level 4, and that’s with cars with a suite of sensors that would make any Tesla blush.&lt;p&gt;Autonomous cars are coming. They just will come first to specific areas where the cars are more experienced, like waymo does in Phoenix, and the cars themselves will be purpose built. As we are building more infrastructure, we could endeavor to do it in ways that make it easier for cars to drive autonomously, with things like grade separated or other protected bike lanes, clearer signage, and other accommodations that will make things easier and safer for human and ML drivers.&lt;p&gt;It’s crazy irresponsible that Tesla switched on what they did and marketed it as FSD, and it’ll set back self driving cars years when people start getting into collisions.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>sunsipples</author><text>I have a 2020 Hyundai, top spec but still just a Hyundai. It has great lane departure warning and it&amp;#x27;s very accurate. It picks up the difference between solid&amp;#x2F;double&amp;#x2F;broken white lines and lane changing&amp;#x2F;merging&amp;#x2F;splitting. We took it around a local race track and it followed the track markings on everything but a hairpin which it applies brakes and took us to a complete stop. If it wasn&amp;#x27;t for the driver attention settings (no steering wheel feedback from driver, the car will also stop) it could have almost been an unassisted drive.&lt;p&gt;Still won&amp;#x27;t trust it though</text></comment>