<story><title>Verizon: We Can&apos;t Become Dumb Pipes</title><url>https://mondaynote.com/verizon-no-we-cant-become-dumb-pipes-ddab2b41a2d8</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>Animats</author><text>There is - Sonic. Sonic is a dumb pipe company.  No middle boxes, just bits.  Sonic fiber is deployed in Santa Rosa and is slowly moving into San Francisco, but their management doesn&amp;#x27;t want to go into heavy debt, so it&amp;#x27;s slow.  You can also get Sonic in many areas of California, but it&amp;#x27;s over leased AT&amp;amp;T lines.&lt;p&gt;The CEO of Sonic says that being a fiber provider is profitable without any additional services, and that their wholesale cost for upstream bandwidth keeps dropping.</text></item><item><author>terravion</author><text>It would be great if there was a major telco that was excited about being dumb pipe and just crushing the others.  That seems to be what Google Fiber is an attempt at creating but the capital required is so great that only a hundred year old company like Verizon or AT&amp;amp;T is really in a position to execute on that well.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>equalarrow</author><text>I have Sonic FTTN 50Mbps service. I&amp;#x27;ve used Sonic over the years and have always enjoyed their service and their mission as a business. I&amp;#x27;ve lapsed a few times because their DSL in some places in SF is just crap, but that&amp;#x27;s because of AT&amp;amp;T and distance to the closest CO.&lt;p&gt;Where I&amp;#x27;m at now (prob less than a mile from their fiber service, sigh..), when we first moved in, we got Comcast. Of course, the Comcast service was all over the place. Some days 1Mb, some 100Mb (which I never signed up for, but just received), some 45Mb (what I signed up for). As usual, I had man techs come out to try to fix things and of course, none did and all of them had a different excuse as to why things didn&amp;#x27;t work. So many support people promised me good service but I never got it.&lt;p&gt;Fed up, I saw I could get Sonic FTTN and it&amp;#x27;s been rock solid for over a year. It&amp;#x27;s never gone down and just works - as I would expect. It&amp;#x27;s too bad we don&amp;#x27;t have more ISPs like them because if we did, access would be a totally different experience.</text></comment>
<story><title>Verizon: We Can&apos;t Become Dumb Pipes</title><url>https://mondaynote.com/verizon-no-we-cant-become-dumb-pipes-ddab2b41a2d8</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>Animats</author><text>There is - Sonic. Sonic is a dumb pipe company.  No middle boxes, just bits.  Sonic fiber is deployed in Santa Rosa and is slowly moving into San Francisco, but their management doesn&amp;#x27;t want to go into heavy debt, so it&amp;#x27;s slow.  You can also get Sonic in many areas of California, but it&amp;#x27;s over leased AT&amp;amp;T lines.&lt;p&gt;The CEO of Sonic says that being a fiber provider is profitable without any additional services, and that their wholesale cost for upstream bandwidth keeps dropping.</text></item><item><author>terravion</author><text>It would be great if there was a major telco that was excited about being dumb pipe and just crushing the others.  That seems to be what Google Fiber is an attempt at creating but the capital required is so great that only a hundred year old company like Verizon or AT&amp;amp;T is really in a position to execute on that well.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>jcoffland</author><text>Sonic is awesome.  They have excellent customer support and actually care about and actively protect your privacy.&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.dailydot.com&amp;#x2F;layer8&amp;#x2F;sonic-isp-privacy&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.dailydot.com&amp;#x2F;layer8&amp;#x2F;sonic-isp-privacy&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;</text></comment>