<story><title>EU interior ministers welcome mandatory chat control for all smartphones</title><url>https://european-pirateparty.eu/eu-minister-welcome-chatcontrol/</url></story><parent_chain></parent_chain><comment><author>dang</author><text>Recent and related:&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;EU Chatcontrol 2.0 [video]&lt;/i&gt; - &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&amp;#x2F;item?id=29066894&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&amp;#x2F;item?id=29066894&lt;/a&gt; - Nov 2021 (197 comments)&lt;p&gt;Previously:&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Messaging and chat control&lt;/i&gt; - &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&amp;#x2F;item?id=28115343&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&amp;#x2F;item?id=28115343&lt;/a&gt; - Aug 2021 (317 comments)&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;EU Parliament approves mass surveillance of private communications&lt;/i&gt; - &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&amp;#x2F;item?id=27759814&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&amp;#x2F;item?id=27759814&lt;/a&gt; - July 2021 (11 comments)&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;European Parliament approves mass surveillance of private communication&lt;/i&gt; - &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&amp;#x2F;item?id=27753727&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&amp;#x2F;item?id=27753727&lt;/a&gt; - July 2021 (415 comments)&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Indiscriminate messaging and chatcontrol: Last chance to protest&lt;/i&gt; - &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&amp;#x2F;item?id=27736435&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&amp;#x2F;item?id=27736435&lt;/a&gt; - July 2021 (104 comments)&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;IT companies warn in open letter: EU wants to ban encryption&lt;/i&gt; - &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&amp;#x2F;item?id=26825653&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&amp;#x2F;item?id=26825653&lt;/a&gt; - April 2021 (217 comments)&lt;p&gt;Others?</text></comment>
<story><title>EU interior ministers welcome mandatory chat control for all smartphones</title><url>https://european-pirateparty.eu/eu-minister-welcome-chatcontrol/</url></story><parent_chain></parent_chain><comment><author>triska</author><text>More in-depth information:&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;netzpolitik.org&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;eu-commission-why-chat-control-is-so-dangerous&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;netzpolitik.org&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;eu-commission-why-chat-control-...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Including for example:&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;&amp;quot;According to a legal opinion by Prof. Dr. Ninon Colneric automated scanning could indeed be illegal. Surveillance without a specific reason or reasonable suspicion is prohibited in the EU due to the fact of its violation of fundamental rights. The European Court of Justice has repeatedly confirmed this view and, for example, reproved the retention of data on a number of occasions.&lt;p&gt;Nevertheless, attempts to revive the data retention zombie with legal tricks have not died down. The demand can be found regularly in council papers of various EU countries. Thus, this type of mass surveillance is still part of the German Telecommunications Act („Telekommunikationsgesetz“), although being currently suspended.&amp;quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;The open letter, linked in the article, is also a good read:&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.patrick-breyer.de&amp;#x2F;wp-content&amp;#x2F;uploads&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;11&amp;#x2F;20211020_Letter_General_Monitoring.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.patrick-breyer.de&amp;#x2F;wp-content&amp;#x2F;uploads&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;11&amp;#x2F;202...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Notably:&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;&amp;quot;Individuals, 
businesses and government rely on end-to-end encryption to safeguard their personal, commercial and 
state secrets. The safety of individuals (e.g. witnesses, officials) depends on secure encryption protecting 
their confidential communications. Backdoors can and will be abused by criminals, foreign intelligence 
services  and  forces  that  seek  to  destabilise  our  society.  The  Commission  keeps  reiterating  its 
commitment to not generally weaken encryption, but “client-side scanning” would do exactly this.&amp;quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;A question I have about this topic: Banks and other organizations, including governments themselves, &lt;i&gt;mandate&lt;/i&gt; that specific kinds of information be kept secret. An example of this is the information I need to log in to my bank account.&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;How am I supposed to comply with these requirements if every device I use is compromised?&lt;/i&gt;</text></comment>