<story><title>Wall Street Rule for the #MeToo Era: Avoid Women at All Cost</title><url>https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-03/a-wall-street-rule-for-the-metoo-era-avoid-women-at-all-cost</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>falcolas</author><text>Personal opinion - the lack of a &amp;quot;innocent until proven guilty&amp;quot; judicial system when it comes to sexual harassment claims is what has caused much of the fear of women. Colleges, businesses, and online communities almost always simply believe the victim, and even if a trial should occur and the accused is vindicated, the accused has already been fired, expelled, or crucified by public opinion. The records of the accusations remain online forever, with little or no followup.&lt;p&gt;Innocent until proven guilty with a trial by peers. We enshrine these in our public justice system; it needs to be spread to private companies as well.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>ams6110</author><text>Really, employers, universities, etc. should not even be involved in these kinds of claims. They are not competent to investigate them.&lt;p&gt;If a crime has been committed, there is a judicial system that can and will deal with that, with established standards regarding presumption of innocence and burden of proof.</text></comment>
<story><title>Wall Street Rule for the #MeToo Era: Avoid Women at All Cost</title><url>https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-03/a-wall-street-rule-for-the-metoo-era-avoid-women-at-all-cost</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>falcolas</author><text>Personal opinion - the lack of a &amp;quot;innocent until proven guilty&amp;quot; judicial system when it comes to sexual harassment claims is what has caused much of the fear of women. Colleges, businesses, and online communities almost always simply believe the victim, and even if a trial should occur and the accused is vindicated, the accused has already been fired, expelled, or crucified by public opinion. The records of the accusations remain online forever, with little or no followup.&lt;p&gt;Innocent until proven guilty with a trial by peers. We enshrine these in our public justice system; it needs to be spread to private companies as well.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>pmastela</author><text>&amp;gt; Colleges, businesses, and online communities almost always simply believe the victim, and even if a trial should occur and the accused is vindicated, the accused has already been fired, expelled, or crucified by public opinion.&lt;p&gt;Colleges don&amp;#x27;t almost always simply believe the victim. It&amp;#x27;s quite the opposite: “Alarmingly, many universities are compounding this trauma by failing to support survivors and, in some cases, actively seeking to silence them.” [1]&lt;p&gt;Businesses don&amp;#x27;t almost always simply believe the victim. In fact, &amp;quot;often employees fear that human resources will help the company lash out at the accuser rather than punish the accused.&amp;quot; [2]&lt;p&gt;Online communities don&amp;#x27;t almost always simply believe the victim. Take Twitter for example and how a chunk of that online community turned against Christine Blasey Ford. [3]&lt;p&gt;In the last case involving the accuser and the accused, the accuser had to move several times, hired her own private security detail, and continued to receive death threats [4], all the while the accused got the promotion of a lifetime. Hardly the case of — as you put it — &amp;quot;the accused is vindicated, the accused has already been fired, expelled, or crucified by public opinion.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;I know that what you said is personal opinion, but as far as the data supporting that opinion, I just didn&amp;#x27;t find it.&lt;p&gt;1: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.theguardian.com&amp;#x2F;australia-news&amp;#x2F;2017&amp;#x2F;feb&amp;#x2F;27&amp;#x2F;universities-actively-covering-up-sexual-assault-and-harassment-report-says&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.theguardian.com&amp;#x2F;australia-news&amp;#x2F;2017&amp;#x2F;feb&amp;#x2F;27&amp;#x2F;unive...&lt;/a&gt;
2: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.nytimes.com&amp;#x2F;2017&amp;#x2F;12&amp;#x2F;12&amp;#x2F;business&amp;#x2F;sexual-harassment-human-resources.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.nytimes.com&amp;#x2F;2017&amp;#x2F;12&amp;#x2F;12&amp;#x2F;business&amp;#x2F;sexual-harassmen...&lt;/a&gt;
3: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;slate.com&amp;#x2F;news-and-politics&amp;#x2F;2018&amp;#x2F;09&amp;#x2F;conservative-reaction-christine-blasey-fords-testimony-kavanaugh.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;slate.com&amp;#x2F;news-and-politics&amp;#x2F;2018&amp;#x2F;09&amp;#x2F;conservative-rea...&lt;/a&gt;
4: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.npr.org&amp;#x2F;2018&amp;#x2F;11&amp;#x2F;08&amp;#x2F;665407589&amp;#x2F;kavanaugh-accuser-christine-blasey-ford-continues-receiving-threats-lawyers-say&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.npr.org&amp;#x2F;2018&amp;#x2F;11&amp;#x2F;08&amp;#x2F;665407589&amp;#x2F;kavanaugh-accuser-c...&lt;/a&gt;</text></comment>