<story><title>Builders Ditch Nest After Google Ties Devices to Digital Assistant</title><url>https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-17/builders-ditch-nest-as-google-ties-digital-assistant-to-devices</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>epistasis</author><text>Nest has been so terribly mismanaged seemingly from the beginning of the acquisition; has there been any management level change to compensate for the poor execution?&lt;p&gt;I really like the look of the Nest thermometer, but I definitely don&amp;#x27;t want Google in control of anything in my house, or listening to anything in my house, with how the manage this stuff.&lt;p&gt;If I do automate anything, I will be going with Home Assistant, even though I kind of despise home rolling these sorts of things. I don&amp;#x27;t trust any of the major players, and their recent behavior and lack of care for the user makes me nervous for the future of tech.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>pacala</author><text>The economic incentives for home automation are aligned to send them the way of the SpyTV fiasco [0]. Whatever brand you choose, it will spy on you sooner or later. Our speech is no longer private within the confines or our own homes. Soon, our heart beats too will become game for the creeps of the world [1].&lt;p&gt;This needs to stop. We need laws to keep internet-connected devices from spying on us in our own homes. We need an option to purchase internet-free devices. We need legislation now, as the wireless internet of things [5G] is coming online and the last drop of control we had, to not give the wifi password to the spy devices, will be taken away from us.&lt;p&gt;[0] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.cnet.com&amp;#x2F;how-to&amp;#x2F;your-tv-is-probably-tracking-you-heres-how-to-stop-it&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.cnet.com&amp;#x2F;how-to&amp;#x2F;your-tv-is-probably-tracking-you...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;atap.google.com&amp;#x2F;soli&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;atap.google.com&amp;#x2F;soli&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;</text></comment>
<story><title>Builders Ditch Nest After Google Ties Devices to Digital Assistant</title><url>https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-17/builders-ditch-nest-as-google-ties-digital-assistant-to-devices</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>epistasis</author><text>Nest has been so terribly mismanaged seemingly from the beginning of the acquisition; has there been any management level change to compensate for the poor execution?&lt;p&gt;I really like the look of the Nest thermometer, but I definitely don&amp;#x27;t want Google in control of anything in my house, or listening to anything in my house, with how the manage this stuff.&lt;p&gt;If I do automate anything, I will be going with Home Assistant, even though I kind of despise home rolling these sorts of things. I don&amp;#x27;t trust any of the major players, and their recent behavior and lack of care for the user makes me nervous for the future of tech.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>KaiserPro</author><text>I suspect that google bought nest as a beachhead for creating a &amp;quot;house platform&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;Having google in your house means that it makes sense for an en user to have an android phone, a google account. If you make the walled garden nice enough, you&amp;#x27;ll never want to leave.&lt;p&gt;Or if you make people invest enough in it, its to expensive or painful to leave.&lt;p&gt;As HA requires a bit of work to setup, its always going to be for tinkerers (unless its packaged and supported by a third party)</text></comment>