<story><title>EU drafts plan to label gas and nuclear investments as green</title><url>https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/eu-drafts-plan-label-gas-nuclear-investments-green-2022-01-01/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>hammock</author><text>When did &amp;quot;green&amp;quot; get co-opted to mean low CO2 emissions?&lt;p&gt;It wasn&amp;#x27;t that long ago we used to worry about whether fuel was renewable or not, and about particulate pollution, acid rain, habitat destruction and other environmental externalities in general, not just CO2.&lt;p&gt;This global warming-driven definition of &amp;quot;green&amp;quot; ignores all of that.</text></item><item><author>nathan_phoenix</author><text>For anyone wondering why gas, it&amp;#x27;s gas only in specific cases.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt;  Investments in natural gas power plants would also be deemed green if they produce emissions below 270g of CO2 equivalent per kilowatt hour (kWh), replace a more polluting fossil fuel plant, receive a construction permit by Dec. 31 2030 and plan to switch to low-carbon gases by the end of 2035.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>pyrale</author><text>&amp;quot;green&amp;quot; is just a journalistic shortcut, the EU taxonomy [1] only lists sustainable production technologies, defined by 6 sustainability objectives.&lt;p&gt;[1]: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;ec.europa.eu&amp;#x2F;info&amp;#x2F;business-economy-euro&amp;#x2F;banking-and-finance&amp;#x2F;sustainable-finance&amp;#x2F;eu-taxonomy-sustainable-activities_en&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;ec.europa.eu&amp;#x2F;info&amp;#x2F;business-economy-euro&amp;#x2F;banking-and-...&lt;/a&gt;</text></comment>
<story><title>EU drafts plan to label gas and nuclear investments as green</title><url>https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/eu-drafts-plan-label-gas-nuclear-investments-green-2022-01-01/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>hammock</author><text>When did &amp;quot;green&amp;quot; get co-opted to mean low CO2 emissions?&lt;p&gt;It wasn&amp;#x27;t that long ago we used to worry about whether fuel was renewable or not, and about particulate pollution, acid rain, habitat destruction and other environmental externalities in general, not just CO2.&lt;p&gt;This global warming-driven definition of &amp;quot;green&amp;quot; ignores all of that.</text></item><item><author>nathan_phoenix</author><text>For anyone wondering why gas, it&amp;#x27;s gas only in specific cases.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt;  Investments in natural gas power plants would also be deemed green if they produce emissions below 270g of CO2 equivalent per kilowatt hour (kWh), replace a more polluting fossil fuel plant, receive a construction permit by Dec. 31 2030 and plan to switch to low-carbon gases by the end of 2035.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>AYBABTME</author><text>You can make methane from carbon capture&amp;#x2F;sabatier reactors. Although I&amp;#x27;m not sure if that&amp;#x27;s any more efficient than desalination&amp;#x2F;hydrolysis for an H2 plant with fuel cells. In any case, I&amp;#x27;m onboard with replacing coal with gas, if nuclear isn&amp;#x27;t an option. Gas is cheap and fast to build today, and can be supplanted by nuclear&amp;#x2F;renewable later on. A pragmatic middle ground to (hopefully temporarily) accommodate the nuclear skeptics.</text></comment>