<story><title>Amazon Pip Horror Story</title><url>https://www.linkedin.com/posts/hire-jiawei-wang_hi-linkedin-connections-i-am-ready-for-my-activity-6894943241523875840-tZ7C</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>Jolter</author><text>Where do you live that 700€ a DAY is low pay?  It’s, that’s MORE than 700$ a day, not less.&lt;p&gt;Consider that most parts of the world have lower cost of living than the Bay Area.</text></item><item><author>urthor</author><text>700 a day???&lt;p&gt;Why did you undercharge by so much.&lt;p&gt;I know the EU dev market isn&amp;#x27;t great but those are rookie numbers for &amp;quot;danger money.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;Three of the &amp;quot;retired, then handed enough money to unretire&amp;quot; COBAL guys at my old place were doing 2500 a day.</text></item><item><author>octagonal</author><text>I was lucky enough to experience a 2 year long project in which everything that went wrong was blamed on the developers. Project managers breathing down your neck, feeling so pressured you barely dare take a bathroom break, the whole shebang.&lt;p&gt;Quit working for them and now I&amp;#x27;m a freelance dev.&lt;p&gt;They asked me to get back on the project and I said fine, that&amp;#x27;ll be €700&amp;#x2F;day. After some grumbling they realized they had no other option so they agreed.&lt;p&gt;The project is still failing due to bad management but I no longer care. I believe to now feel the same sense of calm around chaos and failure like you do.&lt;p&gt;A lot of developers have real mental scars from bad projects like this, because they get duped into thinking it&amp;#x27;s a matter of personal pride to see it trough.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s not. Your primary concern should always be personal health.</text></item><item><author>hughrr</author><text>A side effect of working for asshole companies like that for years is I’ve slowly developed a zero fucks attitude and an immunity to threats and carrots dangled in front of me.&lt;p&gt;I can sit there as a project is falling over the edge of a cliff with total inner peace.&lt;p&gt;My interest stops at the pay cheque and by the clock.</text></item><item><author>greatpostman</author><text>I’ve worked at Amazon. I made it a few years, but was almost pipped in the first few months. Management dropped a huge project on me, a brand new tier 1 service, with full dns resolution, api, database, distributed system, along with micro services. The deadline was three months. Brand new tech stack. When I was struggling to meet the deadline, we started having “performance conversations”.&lt;p&gt;I ended up switching teams and had a decent time at the company, but the nightmare situations are very real. You are replaceable and there’s no mercy</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>alistairSH</author><text>That’s roughly equivalent to 120,000 Euro&amp;#x2F;year once normalized for taxes (~50% for self-employed, ~30% for employees).&lt;p&gt;I have no idea what typical salaries are in the EU, but that’s on the low end of mid-career for much of the US.</text></comment>
<story><title>Amazon Pip Horror Story</title><url>https://www.linkedin.com/posts/hire-jiawei-wang_hi-linkedin-connections-i-am-ready-for-my-activity-6894943241523875840-tZ7C</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>Jolter</author><text>Where do you live that 700€ a DAY is low pay?  It’s, that’s MORE than 700$ a day, not less.&lt;p&gt;Consider that most parts of the world have lower cost of living than the Bay Area.</text></item><item><author>urthor</author><text>700 a day???&lt;p&gt;Why did you undercharge by so much.&lt;p&gt;I know the EU dev market isn&amp;#x27;t great but those are rookie numbers for &amp;quot;danger money.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;Three of the &amp;quot;retired, then handed enough money to unretire&amp;quot; COBAL guys at my old place were doing 2500 a day.</text></item><item><author>octagonal</author><text>I was lucky enough to experience a 2 year long project in which everything that went wrong was blamed on the developers. Project managers breathing down your neck, feeling so pressured you barely dare take a bathroom break, the whole shebang.&lt;p&gt;Quit working for them and now I&amp;#x27;m a freelance dev.&lt;p&gt;They asked me to get back on the project and I said fine, that&amp;#x27;ll be €700&amp;#x2F;day. After some grumbling they realized they had no other option so they agreed.&lt;p&gt;The project is still failing due to bad management but I no longer care. I believe to now feel the same sense of calm around chaos and failure like you do.&lt;p&gt;A lot of developers have real mental scars from bad projects like this, because they get duped into thinking it&amp;#x27;s a matter of personal pride to see it trough.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s not. Your primary concern should always be personal health.</text></item><item><author>hughrr</author><text>A side effect of working for asshole companies like that for years is I’ve slowly developed a zero fucks attitude and an immunity to threats and carrots dangled in front of me.&lt;p&gt;I can sit there as a project is falling over the edge of a cliff with total inner peace.&lt;p&gt;My interest stops at the pay cheque and by the clock.</text></item><item><author>greatpostman</author><text>I’ve worked at Amazon. I made it a few years, but was almost pipped in the first few months. Management dropped a huge project on me, a brand new tier 1 service, with full dns resolution, api, database, distributed system, along with micro services. The deadline was three months. Brand new tech stack. When I was struggling to meet the deadline, we started having “performance conversations”.&lt;p&gt;I ended up switching teams and had a decent time at the company, but the nightmare situations are very real. You are replaceable and there’s no mercy</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>Fiahil</author><text>600EUR is a base rate for a freelancer in France. Remember, half of it goes to taxes.</text></comment>