<story><title>LAPD arrests man on suspicion of making deadly swatting call to Wichita police</title><url>http://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article192281169.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>TillE</author><text>&amp;gt; &amp;quot;well, he shouldn&amp;#x27;t have had a knife in his hand&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;Right. German cops, for example, are trained to shoot people in the leg in that scenario. It happens quite frequently and successfully.&lt;p&gt;American cops seem like they&amp;#x27;re all on a hair trigger to kill at the slightest hint of danger, rather than as a last resort when they&amp;#x27;re truly threatened.</text></item><item><author>dboreham</author><text>I don&amp;#x27;t see anyone here asking this: how many people are police killing who are not 100% innocent bystanders like in this case, but still didn&amp;#x27;t need to be killed? I mean, we&amp;#x27;re all outraged because they shot &amp;quot;some dude in his PJs&amp;quot; but doesn&amp;#x27;t that imply they must be shooting 10, 100x as many folks where we&amp;#x27;d be thinking &amp;quot;well, he shouldn&amp;#x27;t have had a knife in his hand&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;he shouldn&amp;#x27;t have been high&amp;quot;?&lt;p&gt;Where I live, small town in the middle of the US, to my knowledge the cops have killed at least two people who were no real threat to them in the past few years. If that death density is consistent across the country there must be hundreds of events like this every year.&lt;p&gt;I get the impression somehow we&amp;#x27;ve been brain washed into seeing this like unlucky folks being hit by a drunk driver.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>doktrin</author><text>As others have said, police in the US are trained to shoot for center mass, and even then they don&amp;#x27;t have a great track record for accuracy. I don&amp;#x27;t have the statistics in front of me, but the book &amp;#x27;On Combat&amp;#x27; describes several cases where police empty their clips and mainly hit air. Adrenaline is a bitch, but most cops also have (in)famously little actual weapons training and a more robust regimen would undoubtedly help - including but not limited to helping them not discharge their weapons in the first place.</text></comment>
<story><title>LAPD arrests man on suspicion of making deadly swatting call to Wichita police</title><url>http://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article192281169.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>TillE</author><text>&amp;gt; &amp;quot;well, he shouldn&amp;#x27;t have had a knife in his hand&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;Right. German cops, for example, are trained to shoot people in the leg in that scenario. It happens quite frequently and successfully.&lt;p&gt;American cops seem like they&amp;#x27;re all on a hair trigger to kill at the slightest hint of danger, rather than as a last resort when they&amp;#x27;re truly threatened.</text></item><item><author>dboreham</author><text>I don&amp;#x27;t see anyone here asking this: how many people are police killing who are not 100% innocent bystanders like in this case, but still didn&amp;#x27;t need to be killed? I mean, we&amp;#x27;re all outraged because they shot &amp;quot;some dude in his PJs&amp;quot; but doesn&amp;#x27;t that imply they must be shooting 10, 100x as many folks where we&amp;#x27;d be thinking &amp;quot;well, he shouldn&amp;#x27;t have had a knife in his hand&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;he shouldn&amp;#x27;t have been high&amp;quot;?&lt;p&gt;Where I live, small town in the middle of the US, to my knowledge the cops have killed at least two people who were no real threat to them in the past few years. If that death density is consistent across the country there must be hundreds of events like this every year.&lt;p&gt;I get the impression somehow we&amp;#x27;ve been brain washed into seeing this like unlucky folks being hit by a drunk driver.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>kipari</author><text>I remember a tidbit from the Counter-Strike: Global Offensive loading screen saying that the federal GSG-9 group only has fired shots on five missions throughout their existence. Wikipedia seems to back this up with some reportedly true information[1].&lt;p&gt;[1]: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;GSG_9#Publicly_known_missions&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;GSG_9#Publicly_known_missions&lt;/a&gt;</text></comment>