<story><title>TSMC eyes Germany as possible location for first Europe chip plant</title><url>https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Tech/Semiconductors/TSMC-eyes-Germany-as-possible-location-for-first-Europe-chip-plant</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>artemonster</author><text>ha! I guess you haven&amp;#x27;t worked as a designer or verification engineer, designing chips then? let me tell you: you work with a commitee-designed c++ like abomination language with 300 non-composible keywords that make no freaking sense. all of that crap grew from legacy-upon-legacy of crutches as an attempt to fix the goddamn broken-by-design verilog. Ultimately, this craplanguage + library that is 90% non-debuggable macros, works only with ~3 vendor simulators (all 3 would do different stuff on big designs and you are locked almost forever). When you simulate you designs, most of external components would be either encrypted blackboxes or be calling &amp;quot;magic&amp;quot; functions (called system tasks) that are absultely opaque to you and do some global side-effects. All of this multiplied by the fact that every statement is executed in parallel in your huge design and evolves in time.
Oh, did I mention how crappy the actual tools are? Think of 90&amp;#x27;s era with outdated and moronic UI&amp;#x2F;UX, some poorely integrated quasi-TCL interpreter for configuration &amp;amp; ability to crash that tool in &amp;lt;3 clicks. Ah, you will be paying 15kUSD&amp;#x2F;year per license, thank you very much. You will be needing lots of them (&amp;gt; 50).</text></item><item><author>tester34</author><text>Overall semiconducting industry seems to be way more exciting than boring computer industry</text></item><item><author>ipnon</author><text>TSMC is really the keystone for everything else done that ends up getting talked about on this website. They are constantly at the bleeding edge of computer manufacture and pushing it further still. We should feel some sense of amazement to be alive still in the middle of the computer revolution.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>Heliosmaster</author><text>Or working with a 40M Loc codebase started in the 80s with 50% code duplication. Because it&amp;#x27;s so mission critical that nobody really touches existing code. Or that everything needs to be rubber-stamped by a ton of people and even a rename takes months to make it in the codebase. Oh well. That&amp;#x27;s probably every enterprise</text></comment>
<story><title>TSMC eyes Germany as possible location for first Europe chip plant</title><url>https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Tech/Semiconductors/TSMC-eyes-Germany-as-possible-location-for-first-Europe-chip-plant</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>artemonster</author><text>ha! I guess you haven&amp;#x27;t worked as a designer or verification engineer, designing chips then? let me tell you: you work with a commitee-designed c++ like abomination language with 300 non-composible keywords that make no freaking sense. all of that crap grew from legacy-upon-legacy of crutches as an attempt to fix the goddamn broken-by-design verilog. Ultimately, this craplanguage + library that is 90% non-debuggable macros, works only with ~3 vendor simulators (all 3 would do different stuff on big designs and you are locked almost forever). When you simulate you designs, most of external components would be either encrypted blackboxes or be calling &amp;quot;magic&amp;quot; functions (called system tasks) that are absultely opaque to you and do some global side-effects. All of this multiplied by the fact that every statement is executed in parallel in your huge design and evolves in time.
Oh, did I mention how crappy the actual tools are? Think of 90&amp;#x27;s era with outdated and moronic UI&amp;#x2F;UX, some poorely integrated quasi-TCL interpreter for configuration &amp;amp; ability to crash that tool in &amp;lt;3 clicks. Ah, you will be paying 15kUSD&amp;#x2F;year per license, thank you very much. You will be needing lots of them (&amp;gt; 50).</text></item><item><author>tester34</author><text>Overall semiconducting industry seems to be way more exciting than boring computer industry</text></item><item><author>ipnon</author><text>TSMC is really the keystone for everything else done that ends up getting talked about on this website. They are constantly at the bleeding edge of computer manufacture and pushing it further still. We should feel some sense of amazement to be alive still in the middle of the computer revolution.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>spaniard89277</author><text>Hmmm, isn&amp;#x27;t there people pushing for better standards, language, tools?</text></comment>