<story><title>ADP Sues Zenefits for Defamation</title><url>http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/06/10/adp-sues-zenefits-for-defamation</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>joshstrange</author><text>&amp;gt; Zenefits doesn&amp;#x27;t have any intrinsic rights to ADP&amp;#x27;s system.&lt;p&gt;Zenefits doesn&amp;#x27;t want or need intrinsic rights to the ADP system. They do need (and deserve) the same level of access as a human working for a client using ADP. They might provide little to no value or be a worthless company but NONE OF THAT MATTERS. The client paid for ADP access and has every right to use whatever means they deem necessary to input or output data from the ADP system.</text></item><item><author>jonathanmarcus</author><text>We&amp;#x27;re a very small company (10 FTEs), but we have been anything but impressed with Zenefits as a customer. We only use them for medical and dental insurance, but in reality, they provide very little, if any value. The Zenefits software is really nothing special, and in fact, the onboarding UI is pretty poor. Now that we have our insurance, Zenefits adds zero value to us. We deal directly with United and Zenefits collects a 10% commission on our monthly premiums. Its a genius business model, and little else.&lt;p&gt;Zenefits doesn&amp;#x27;t have any intrinsic rights to ADP&amp;#x27;s system. Twitter killed off plenty of companies when it decided to shut down the 3rd party ecosystem. Facebook obviously maintains similar strategic control over it&amp;#x27;s API. How many case studies must there be for companies to understand that building on another company&amp;#x27;s platform always carries business and strategic risks?</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>mikeryan</author><text>&lt;i&gt;The client paid for ADP access and has every right to use whatever means they deem necessary to input or output data from the ADP system.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thats not actually what the client pays for though. The client paid for access to ADP&amp;#x27;s system according to the &lt;i&gt;Terms of Service&lt;/i&gt; that ADP sets. If those terms of service and the rights they engender are not acceptable to the client they are welcome to find another provider.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;ve frequently posted my dislike for ADP on these boards and I took my business elsewhere.</text></comment>
<story><title>ADP Sues Zenefits for Defamation</title><url>http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/06/10/adp-sues-zenefits-for-defamation</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>joshstrange</author><text>&amp;gt; Zenefits doesn&amp;#x27;t have any intrinsic rights to ADP&amp;#x27;s system.&lt;p&gt;Zenefits doesn&amp;#x27;t want or need intrinsic rights to the ADP system. They do need (and deserve) the same level of access as a human working for a client using ADP. They might provide little to no value or be a worthless company but NONE OF THAT MATTERS. The client paid for ADP access and has every right to use whatever means they deem necessary to input or output data from the ADP system.</text></item><item><author>jonathanmarcus</author><text>We&amp;#x27;re a very small company (10 FTEs), but we have been anything but impressed with Zenefits as a customer. We only use them for medical and dental insurance, but in reality, they provide very little, if any value. The Zenefits software is really nothing special, and in fact, the onboarding UI is pretty poor. Now that we have our insurance, Zenefits adds zero value to us. We deal directly with United and Zenefits collects a 10% commission on our monthly premiums. Its a genius business model, and little else.&lt;p&gt;Zenefits doesn&amp;#x27;t have any intrinsic rights to ADP&amp;#x27;s system. Twitter killed off plenty of companies when it decided to shut down the 3rd party ecosystem. Facebook obviously maintains similar strategic control over it&amp;#x27;s API. How many case studies must there be for companies to understand that building on another company&amp;#x27;s platform always carries business and strategic risks?</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>otterley</author><text>The system in question was clearly built to meet the scale of human users, not synchronization with third-party automation systems.  That, to me, is the issue here - not the question of access, but of purpose.&lt;p&gt;ADP is clearly responding to a capacity issue but Zenefits is attempting to frame it as a competitive one.</text></comment>