<story><title>How to Crash Systemd in One Command</title><url>https://www.agwa.name/blog/post/how_to_crash_systemd_in_one_tweet</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>justin_vanw</author><text>It seems like it is quite fashionable to hate on systemd, and it seems like systemd is kindof a piece of crap - in some ways.&lt;p&gt;However, linux is missing basic functionality other os&amp;#x27;s offer, and systemd is showing up and trying to fill in those blanks.  This is open source, if you don&amp;#x27;t like systemd, if you think it&amp;#x27;s crap, if you think there are obviously better ways to do it, well, what are you waiting for then?&lt;p&gt;Systemd is winning because they showed up and basically nobody else did.  It&amp;#x27;s open source fork it and &amp;#x27;do it right&amp;#x27;.  Or point out the problems and hope that someone else will step up instead?&lt;p&gt;I think the world would better place if people spent less time griping and more time fighting to get their patch that fixes the problems merged.  I guess coding is harder than writing blog posts though.&lt;p&gt;EDIT: I&amp;#x27;m not saying systemd is perfect or even good.  My point is that the people writing the code are going to have the final say, whether it&amp;#x27;s right or wrong, and it is unlikely that people writing blog posts lampooning it are really going to make a difference.  I mean systemd has been despised and highly criticized from the beginning, and look where we are.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>djsumdog</author><text>We don&amp;#x27;t live in the open source world of the 1990s. People don&amp;#x27;t make this stuff in their basements. What was a community of devs that made things in their own time has turned into a huge industry supported system of semi-bullshit sharing. The OSS devs of the 90s wanted open source end products: a GIMP that could replace Photoshop. A blender that could replace 3D Studio. Today we mostly have OSS middleware.&lt;p&gt;As the other comments have stated, there have been several systemd drop in attempts, such as this one:&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;uselessd.darknedgy.net&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;uselessd.darknedgy.net&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;But maintaining them is terribly difficult when Redhat is pouring money into people to work on it full-time. There are lots of systemd-free forks, including ones for Debian and Arch. But you need a large user base to continue to use these forks so other people will be encouraged to support them. Money, donations and good ole kudos help too.&lt;p&gt;TL;DR we don&amp;#x27;t live in the open source world you think we do.</text></comment>
<story><title>How to Crash Systemd in One Command</title><url>https://www.agwa.name/blog/post/how_to_crash_systemd_in_one_tweet</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>justin_vanw</author><text>It seems like it is quite fashionable to hate on systemd, and it seems like systemd is kindof a piece of crap - in some ways.&lt;p&gt;However, linux is missing basic functionality other os&amp;#x27;s offer, and systemd is showing up and trying to fill in those blanks.  This is open source, if you don&amp;#x27;t like systemd, if you think it&amp;#x27;s crap, if you think there are obviously better ways to do it, well, what are you waiting for then?&lt;p&gt;Systemd is winning because they showed up and basically nobody else did.  It&amp;#x27;s open source fork it and &amp;#x27;do it right&amp;#x27;.  Or point out the problems and hope that someone else will step up instead?&lt;p&gt;I think the world would better place if people spent less time griping and more time fighting to get their patch that fixes the problems merged.  I guess coding is harder than writing blog posts though.&lt;p&gt;EDIT: I&amp;#x27;m not saying systemd is perfect or even good.  My point is that the people writing the code are going to have the final say, whether it&amp;#x27;s right or wrong, and it is unlikely that people writing blog posts lampooning it are really going to make a difference.  I mean systemd has been despised and highly criticized from the beginning, and look where we are.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>namecast</author><text>I strongly disagree. I didn&amp;#x27;t need anyone to &amp;quot;show up&amp;quot; to replace my init system in production across several thousand servers, and the way systemd &amp;quot;won&amp;quot; that battle wrt Debian was, to be polite, controversial, political and extremely divisive. They sure as heck didn&amp;#x27;t win because &amp;quot;they showed up and no one else did&amp;quot;. They showed up and RedHat&amp;#x27;s money showed up with them.&lt;p&gt;I hold no animus towards the systemd project&amp;#x27;s goals or aspirations, but I have yet to hear a compelling reason for systemd to be &lt;i&gt;shipping&lt;/i&gt; in it&amp;#x27;s current state.</text></comment>