<story><title>Apple is suing iOS virtualization vendor Corellium for violating DMCA</title><url>https://www.ifixit.com/News/apple-is-bullying-a-security-company-with-a-dangerous-dmca-lawsuit</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>ChrisMarshallNY</author><text>The article seems a bit shrill.&lt;p&gt;I can understand advocacy, but as lostgame says, Corellium is basically riding Apple&amp;#x27;s coattails.&lt;p&gt;If they were helping Apple, then I doubt Apple would be suing them.&lt;p&gt;I understand the way that Apple thinks on this. It isn&amp;#x27;t &amp;quot;bullying.&amp;quot; It&amp;#x27;s brand protection. I worked for years for a corporation with a legendary brand, and they went to great lengths to protect the integrity of that brand.&lt;p&gt;Part of protecting the integrity is to prevent others from diluting it; even if what they do is net positive, monetarily, it may damage the brand. A company that values its brand can&amp;#x27;t let that happen.&lt;p&gt;Branding is a very different world from what most tecchies do. The priorities are drastically different, and a lot harder to &amp;quot;pin down.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;A well-curated brand can be unbelievably valuable, though. Apple&amp;#x27;s brand is one of the top five brands in the world.</text></item><item><author>lostgame</author><text>Well, no, shit - Corellium, from what I can tell from other articles I’ve had to read, (their website is a virtual drought of information about the product) seems to have literally built its own virtualization platform to emulate specific iOS devices - and is likely literally just throwing IPSW files (the actual iOS releases from Apple themselves) onto this emulator and selling it as a service.&lt;p&gt;As much as I believe in the open and free exchange of ideas I can’t actually agree with iFixit here.&lt;p&gt;The excuse of it being sold as a ‘security product’ contradicts the only statement on their website - that its a tool for development.&lt;p&gt;John Deere locking farmers out of repairing their own hardware? Awful, shitty behaviour.&lt;p&gt;But this is literally stealing Apple’s OS, shoving it in an emulator and charging people for it.&lt;p&gt;This article also makes the fallacious argument that Apple ‘gives away’ iOS with the purchase of an iPhone or iPad.  That’s silly - the cost of the OS is built into the purchase price.&lt;p&gt;The R&amp;amp;D and development time and money that goes into iOS or MacOS is part of what we are paying for when we purchase a device from Apple.&lt;p&gt;When we purchase a computer from Dell with Windows 10, the cost of the OS is bundled with the purchase - but Microsoft still gets paid from that - unless, of course we might order the specific subset of Dell computers with Linux on them.&lt;p&gt;I expect better from iFixit. This article reads like a sob story from the CEO of the company. You stole their software. What did you expect?&lt;p&gt;How is this any different from a company that would sell you a preconfigured hackintosh? Or selling a DVD player with an unlicensed movie on it? :&amp;#x2F;&lt;p&gt;We can bitch about iOS and MacOS being closed platforms all we want - but for myself and many others the hardware&amp;#x2F;software package-as-a-unit is actually a huge part of the point.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>kelnos</author><text>&amp;gt; &lt;i&gt;If they were helping Apple, then I doubt Apple would be suing them.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;I think it&amp;#x27;s pretty telling that Apple tried to acquire them, but only decided to sue them after their offer was rejected.  Seems like Apple really does like their product, and thinks people would find it useful, and is just sore they can&amp;#x27;t have full control over it.</text></comment>
<story><title>Apple is suing iOS virtualization vendor Corellium for violating DMCA</title><url>https://www.ifixit.com/News/apple-is-bullying-a-security-company-with-a-dangerous-dmca-lawsuit</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>ChrisMarshallNY</author><text>The article seems a bit shrill.&lt;p&gt;I can understand advocacy, but as lostgame says, Corellium is basically riding Apple&amp;#x27;s coattails.&lt;p&gt;If they were helping Apple, then I doubt Apple would be suing them.&lt;p&gt;I understand the way that Apple thinks on this. It isn&amp;#x27;t &amp;quot;bullying.&amp;quot; It&amp;#x27;s brand protection. I worked for years for a corporation with a legendary brand, and they went to great lengths to protect the integrity of that brand.&lt;p&gt;Part of protecting the integrity is to prevent others from diluting it; even if what they do is net positive, monetarily, it may damage the brand. A company that values its brand can&amp;#x27;t let that happen.&lt;p&gt;Branding is a very different world from what most tecchies do. The priorities are drastically different, and a lot harder to &amp;quot;pin down.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;A well-curated brand can be unbelievably valuable, though. Apple&amp;#x27;s brand is one of the top five brands in the world.</text></item><item><author>lostgame</author><text>Well, no, shit - Corellium, from what I can tell from other articles I’ve had to read, (their website is a virtual drought of information about the product) seems to have literally built its own virtualization platform to emulate specific iOS devices - and is likely literally just throwing IPSW files (the actual iOS releases from Apple themselves) onto this emulator and selling it as a service.&lt;p&gt;As much as I believe in the open and free exchange of ideas I can’t actually agree with iFixit here.&lt;p&gt;The excuse of it being sold as a ‘security product’ contradicts the only statement on their website - that its a tool for development.&lt;p&gt;John Deere locking farmers out of repairing their own hardware? Awful, shitty behaviour.&lt;p&gt;But this is literally stealing Apple’s OS, shoving it in an emulator and charging people for it.&lt;p&gt;This article also makes the fallacious argument that Apple ‘gives away’ iOS with the purchase of an iPhone or iPad.  That’s silly - the cost of the OS is built into the purchase price.&lt;p&gt;The R&amp;amp;D and development time and money that goes into iOS or MacOS is part of what we are paying for when we purchase a device from Apple.&lt;p&gt;When we purchase a computer from Dell with Windows 10, the cost of the OS is bundled with the purchase - but Microsoft still gets paid from that - unless, of course we might order the specific subset of Dell computers with Linux on them.&lt;p&gt;I expect better from iFixit. This article reads like a sob story from the CEO of the company. You stole their software. What did you expect?&lt;p&gt;How is this any different from a company that would sell you a preconfigured hackintosh? Or selling a DVD player with an unlicensed movie on it? :&amp;#x2F;&lt;p&gt;We can bitch about iOS and MacOS being closed platforms all we want - but for myself and many others the hardware&amp;#x2F;software package-as-a-unit is actually a huge part of the point.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>saagarjha</author><text>&amp;gt; If they were helping Apple, then I doubt Apple would be suing them.&lt;p&gt;There are a number of security researchers who use Corellium to find bugs in iOS. Corellium themselves have submitted vulnerabilities using Apple’s bug bounty program.</text></comment>