<story><title>Where is Notepad in Windows 10? (2015)</title><url>https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-desktop/where-is-notepad-in-windows-10/7f9e8a8b-a18b-4cfb-9c9c-88103eb1f579</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>wiseleo</author><text>Office 2007 ribbon was a terrible release. I am an Office power user and I still have to dig through well hidden “advanced” dialog boxes that were previously exposed in the UI to do things that I remember Office was capable of doing.&lt;p&gt;I still hate that change.</text></item><item><author>DannyB2</author><text>Fifteen years ago, one of the Microsoft fanboy arguments against both Linux and LibreOffice (then OpenOffice.org) was that neither worked exactly like Windows &amp;#x2F; Office.&lt;p&gt;Then Microsoft comes along and changes everything.  The Ribbon instead of the pull down menus.  Now which office suite works more like what users have used for a couple decades?&lt;p&gt;Windows 8 comes along with a totally different UI.  So different that ordinary users don&amp;#x27;t know how to do the most basic tasks like print, or even how to shut down the computer.&lt;p&gt;Windows 8 UI (no matter what you call it) &amp;quot;fixes&amp;quot; things by adding back a start menu, but not calling it start.&lt;p&gt;No search box in the start menu -- you just have to magically know that you can start typing.&lt;p&gt;And magical key combinations to type in commands.&lt;p&gt;IMO, it really is change for the sake of change.  And generally change for the worse.  The interface we had with classic Mac, and Win 95 was pretty usable.  And stable.  (Nevermind the underlying tech it ran on top of, no real kernel, etc.)</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>SL61</author><text>This really shows the power of habit. Now that it&amp;#x27;s been 12 years, a whole generation has grown up with the ribbon UI. At 22, I&amp;#x27;m one of them. Office 2003 and earlier (+ LibreOffice) feels clunky and arcane to me. 2007 was the first Office version that I seriously used, and I remember being confused as to why my parents complained about the ribbon.&lt;p&gt;Sometimes I wonder if UI design matters at all beyond what users are already acclimated to.</text></comment>
<story><title>Where is Notepad in Windows 10? (2015)</title><url>https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-desktop/where-is-notepad-in-windows-10/7f9e8a8b-a18b-4cfb-9c9c-88103eb1f579</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>wiseleo</author><text>Office 2007 ribbon was a terrible release. I am an Office power user and I still have to dig through well hidden “advanced” dialog boxes that were previously exposed in the UI to do things that I remember Office was capable of doing.&lt;p&gt;I still hate that change.</text></item><item><author>DannyB2</author><text>Fifteen years ago, one of the Microsoft fanboy arguments against both Linux and LibreOffice (then OpenOffice.org) was that neither worked exactly like Windows &amp;#x2F; Office.&lt;p&gt;Then Microsoft comes along and changes everything.  The Ribbon instead of the pull down menus.  Now which office suite works more like what users have used for a couple decades?&lt;p&gt;Windows 8 comes along with a totally different UI.  So different that ordinary users don&amp;#x27;t know how to do the most basic tasks like print, or even how to shut down the computer.&lt;p&gt;Windows 8 UI (no matter what you call it) &amp;quot;fixes&amp;quot; things by adding back a start menu, but not calling it start.&lt;p&gt;No search box in the start menu -- you just have to magically know that you can start typing.&lt;p&gt;And magical key combinations to type in commands.&lt;p&gt;IMO, it really is change for the sake of change.  And generally change for the worse.  The interface we had with classic Mac, and Win 95 was pretty usable.  And stable.  (Nevermind the underlying tech it ran on top of, no real kernel, etc.)</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>com2kid</author><text>&amp;gt; I still have to dig through well hidden “advanced” dialog boxes that were previously exposed in the UI to do things that I remember Office was capable of doing.&lt;p&gt;The search button in Office apps is super useful. Type in a vague suggestion of what you want and it&amp;#x27;ll pop up a button for the appropriate feature!&lt;p&gt;The ribbon is &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; nice for some things. It is meh for others. In Excel I&amp;#x27;d argue it was a dramatic improvement. I remember spending forever digging through Excel menus trying to find out where some feature had been crammed in 10+ years prior before the concept of good UI even existed. The ribbon was a nice opportunity to reorganize things into more meaningful categories.&lt;p&gt;But yeah, there are still some things I can never remember quite were they are at.</text></comment>