<story><title>Spidermonkey has passed V8 on Octane performance</title><url>http://robert.ocallahan.org/2014/10/are-we-fast-yet-yes-we-are.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>wodenokoto</author><text>I&amp;#x27;d like to see a source for the billion-dollar-a-year campaign, that sounds crazy. That&amp;#x27;s 3 times Mozilla&amp;#x27;s entire budget, if memory serves me right.</text></item><item><author>bzbarsky</author><text>1) Google never backed Firefox with a billion-dollar-a-year advertising campaign like they have Chrome for several years now.&lt;p&gt;2) It&amp;#x27;s not an accident that Google&amp;#x27;s webservices work best (sometimes only) in Chrome.&lt;p&gt;They&amp;#x27;re way past the &amp;quot;disrupt IE&amp;quot; goal.  They&amp;#x27;re into the &amp;quot;tightly couple our web service and Chrome and try to force out other options&amp;quot; goal.</text></item><item><author>taf2</author><text>I don&amp;#x27;t think there is actually any evidence they use Chrome for much more than&lt;p&gt;1. disrupt IE&amp;#x2F;MS - i can say for certain they originally backed Firefox for this effort and only decided to split away to build chrome in the first place because they felt starting fresh they could build a better core and i believe they did.&lt;p&gt;2. enabling more people to build on the web, enables more of their ads to be shown.  Firefox achieves this just as well as chrome.  IE was dominating not too long ago and you could argue much of google&amp;#x27;s ad revenue growth can be attributed to more people having access to a higher quality web.&lt;p&gt;That said... I don&amp;#x27;t see why you should believe google would need or desire to sell data from what it might collect from Chrome.  More likely they see it as a means to ensuring web dominance by ensuring the web is never locked down by one mega corp.   It&amp;#x27;s similar in away to what they have done in the mobile space.  Android is more of a technology to disrupt Apple and ensure it can&amp;#x27;t be dominate, but really does google have any control over Android?</text></item><item><author>skrowl</author><text>I&amp;#x27;ve been reminding everyone I know who still uses Chrome to try Firefox again. Many have switched back. It&amp;#x27;s simply a better browser. One e10s is in stable, it&amp;#x27;s going to be even better.&lt;p&gt;Google is a for-profit company that makes money selling your data and targeted, personal ads.&lt;p&gt;Mozilla is not-for-profit and just wants to make the web better.</text></item><item><author>rdtsc</author><text>I have been very impressed by Firefox lately. Kudos to the whole team at Mozilla.&lt;p&gt;Just about 5 years ago, it was looking to me like it was the end of Firefox. It was Chrome all the way. New features were coming out one after another. Faster rendering. Safe process isolation for each tab. Looked better.&lt;p&gt;But I just switched back last month. It happened kind of randomly. Saw an announcement of a new release (  33, I think ), downloaded, re-imported my bookmarks from Chrome and just kind of kept using it instead of Chrome since then.&lt;p&gt;I like how the tabs look also I think it feels lighter and snappier on my (now old-ish) laptop.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>asadotzler</author><text>365 days a year for several years Google has had a Chrome banner ad on www.google.com showing to Firefox users. That page is the most lucrative property on the web in terms of eyeballs, so take your most outrageous ad rate you can find and do the math. It&amp;#x27;s billions per year worth of advertising.</text></comment>
<story><title>Spidermonkey has passed V8 on Octane performance</title><url>http://robert.ocallahan.org/2014/10/are-we-fast-yet-yes-we-are.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>wodenokoto</author><text>I&amp;#x27;d like to see a source for the billion-dollar-a-year campaign, that sounds crazy. That&amp;#x27;s 3 times Mozilla&amp;#x27;s entire budget, if memory serves me right.</text></item><item><author>bzbarsky</author><text>1) Google never backed Firefox with a billion-dollar-a-year advertising campaign like they have Chrome for several years now.&lt;p&gt;2) It&amp;#x27;s not an accident that Google&amp;#x27;s webservices work best (sometimes only) in Chrome.&lt;p&gt;They&amp;#x27;re way past the &amp;quot;disrupt IE&amp;quot; goal.  They&amp;#x27;re into the &amp;quot;tightly couple our web service and Chrome and try to force out other options&amp;quot; goal.</text></item><item><author>taf2</author><text>I don&amp;#x27;t think there is actually any evidence they use Chrome for much more than&lt;p&gt;1. disrupt IE&amp;#x2F;MS - i can say for certain they originally backed Firefox for this effort and only decided to split away to build chrome in the first place because they felt starting fresh they could build a better core and i believe they did.&lt;p&gt;2. enabling more people to build on the web, enables more of their ads to be shown.  Firefox achieves this just as well as chrome.  IE was dominating not too long ago and you could argue much of google&amp;#x27;s ad revenue growth can be attributed to more people having access to a higher quality web.&lt;p&gt;That said... I don&amp;#x27;t see why you should believe google would need or desire to sell data from what it might collect from Chrome.  More likely they see it as a means to ensuring web dominance by ensuring the web is never locked down by one mega corp.   It&amp;#x27;s similar in away to what they have done in the mobile space.  Android is more of a technology to disrupt Apple and ensure it can&amp;#x27;t be dominate, but really does google have any control over Android?</text></item><item><author>skrowl</author><text>I&amp;#x27;ve been reminding everyone I know who still uses Chrome to try Firefox again. Many have switched back. It&amp;#x27;s simply a better browser. One e10s is in stable, it&amp;#x27;s going to be even better.&lt;p&gt;Google is a for-profit company that makes money selling your data and targeted, personal ads.&lt;p&gt;Mozilla is not-for-profit and just wants to make the web better.</text></item><item><author>rdtsc</author><text>I have been very impressed by Firefox lately. Kudos to the whole team at Mozilla.&lt;p&gt;Just about 5 years ago, it was looking to me like it was the end of Firefox. It was Chrome all the way. New features were coming out one after another. Faster rendering. Safe process isolation for each tab. Looked better.&lt;p&gt;But I just switched back last month. It happened kind of randomly. Saw an announcement of a new release (  33, I think ), downloaded, re-imported my bookmarks from Chrome and just kind of kept using it instead of Chrome since then.&lt;p&gt;I like how the tabs look also I think it feels lighter and snappier on my (now old-ish) laptop.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>hyperbovine</author><text>$1 billion is Apple&amp;#x27;s ad budget as of two years ago and a non-trivial fraction of Coke&amp;#x27;s overall annual ad budget. I call bs.&lt;p&gt;(&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.asymco.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Screen-Shot-2013-11-04-at-11-4-4.55.03-PM.png&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.asymco.com&amp;#x2F;wp-content&amp;#x2F;uploads&amp;#x2F;2013&amp;#x2F;11&amp;#x2F;Screen-Shot...&lt;/a&gt;)</text></comment>