<story><title>Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020</title><url>https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jan/05/electric-cars-record-market-share-norway</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>aphextron</author><text>&amp;gt;Should we allow a free market to continue producing vehicles that contribute to the degradation of the planet?&lt;p&gt;That&amp;#x27;s not my argument. It would be a good thing if all governments outlawed ICE consumer vehicles. However, headlines like this are portraying Norway as some kind of progressive utopia where everyone just wants to drive EVs.&lt;p&gt;Obviously you can make people do whatever you want with aggressive enough tax policies. But the goal should be to get EVs to a fair market price point where they truly compete, not reliant on subsidies.</text></item><item><author>unethical_ban</author><text>Should we allow a free market to continue producing vehicles that contribute to the degradation of the planet?</text></item><item><author>aphextron</author><text>This is almost completely a result of artificial government imposed constraints that make ICE vehicles exceedingly more expensive there. It really has nothing to do with free market choice. A new Tesla Model 3 costs less than a Subaru Outback or Mini Cooper [0]. A VW eGolf also costs less than a base model ICE Golf.&lt;p&gt;[0] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.skatteetaten.no&amp;#x2F;globalassets&amp;#x2F;tabeller-og-satser&amp;#x2F;listepris-bil&amp;#x2F;bilpriserpersonbil2019.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.skatteetaten.no&amp;#x2F;globalassets&amp;#x2F;tabeller-og-satser&amp;#x2F;...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>allendoerfer</author><text>&amp;gt; However, headlines like this are portraying Norway as some kind of progressive utopia where everyone just wants to drive EVs.&lt;p&gt;Headlines like this are portraying Norway as some kind of progressive democracy, where the majority wants to have laws to drive up EV sales.</text></comment>
<story><title>Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020</title><url>https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jan/05/electric-cars-record-market-share-norway</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>aphextron</author><text>&amp;gt;Should we allow a free market to continue producing vehicles that contribute to the degradation of the planet?&lt;p&gt;That&amp;#x27;s not my argument. It would be a good thing if all governments outlawed ICE consumer vehicles. However, headlines like this are portraying Norway as some kind of progressive utopia where everyone just wants to drive EVs.&lt;p&gt;Obviously you can make people do whatever you want with aggressive enough tax policies. But the goal should be to get EVs to a fair market price point where they truly compete, not reliant on subsidies.</text></item><item><author>unethical_ban</author><text>Should we allow a free market to continue producing vehicles that contribute to the degradation of the planet?</text></item><item><author>aphextron</author><text>This is almost completely a result of artificial government imposed constraints that make ICE vehicles exceedingly more expensive there. It really has nothing to do with free market choice. A new Tesla Model 3 costs less than a Subaru Outback or Mini Cooper [0]. A VW eGolf also costs less than a base model ICE Golf.&lt;p&gt;[0] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.skatteetaten.no&amp;#x2F;globalassets&amp;#x2F;tabeller-og-satser&amp;#x2F;listepris-bil&amp;#x2F;bilpriserpersonbil2019.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.skatteetaten.no&amp;#x2F;globalassets&amp;#x2F;tabeller-og-satser&amp;#x2F;...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>arve0</author><text>Kia niro comes out the same price, electric sells the most.&lt;p&gt;Hybrid 405k NOK [0]
Electric 415k NOK [1]&lt;p&gt;0: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.kia.com&amp;#x2F;api&amp;#x2F;bin&amp;#x2F;docDownload?program=brochure&amp;amp;locale=no&amp;amp;path=%2Fcontent%2Fdam%2Fkwcms%2Fkme%2Fno%2Fnn%2Fassets%2Fprislister-brosjyrer%2F20-12-04%2F2021-Kia-Norge-Niro_hybrid(DE)_PE-kundeprisliste-August20-26-08-2020.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.kia.com&amp;#x2F;api&amp;#x2F;bin&amp;#x2F;docDownload?program=brochure&amp;amp;loc...&lt;/a&gt;
1: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.kia.com&amp;#x2F;api&amp;#x2F;bin&amp;#x2F;docDownload?program=brochure&amp;amp;locale=no&amp;amp;path=%2Fcontent%2Fdam%2Fkwcms%2Fkme%2Fno%2Fnn%2Fassets%2Fprislister-brosjyrer%2F20-12-04%2F2021-Kia-Norge-e-Niro(DE)_PE-kundeprisliste-July20-31-07-2020.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.kia.com&amp;#x2F;api&amp;#x2F;bin&amp;#x2F;docDownload?program=brochure&amp;amp;loc...&lt;/a&gt;</text></comment>