<story><title>Scrollbars are becoming a problem</title><url>https://artemis.sh/2023/10/12/scrollbars.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>f33d5173</author><text>&amp;gt; there&amp;#x27;s not much of a good reason to hide them.&lt;p&gt;It looks nicer + you can just use the scroll wheel. A lot of the UI affordances lost over the last decade or two are unfortunate, but complaints about scroll bars seem to be purely baby duck syndrome.</text></item><item><author>jwells89</author><text>In the context of the original iPhone at least, hiding the scrollbar when not scrolling makes some amount of sense… when your screen is 3.5&amp;quot; in size and your goal is to render content with &amp;quot;desktop&amp;quot; fidelity, there&amp;#x27;s not a whole lot of room for a scrollbar, plus most people aren&amp;#x27;t going to be interacting with the scrollbar.&lt;p&gt;For desktop OSes where the smallest screen being used is much larger on the other hand there&amp;#x27;s not much of a good reason to hide them.</text></item><item><author>epistasis</author><text>I run into so many websites that I think are completely broken because they have a scollable popover or some other weird element, but it&amp;#x27;s impossible to tell that there is content because the scroll bar is hidden on this small interior frame.&lt;p&gt;Absolutely infuriating. I blame iOS and macOS for encouraging this insanity and starting the fashion trend, and tangentially whoever pushed along this whole &amp;quot;flat&amp;quot; UI trend that makes it so hard to guess at what is what.&lt;p&gt;UI is communication, and UI designers have decided that mumbling is cool.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>ryandrake</author><text>As the article says, not everyone can use a scroll wheel, and not everyone even has a scroll wheel or touchpad. I personally find using mouse scroll wheels quite painful due to RSI caused from decades of mouse abuse. Yet, designers find scroll bars and up-and-down scroll arrows icky so fuck me, I guess. :(</text></comment>
<story><title>Scrollbars are becoming a problem</title><url>https://artemis.sh/2023/10/12/scrollbars.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>f33d5173</author><text>&amp;gt; there&amp;#x27;s not much of a good reason to hide them.&lt;p&gt;It looks nicer + you can just use the scroll wheel. A lot of the UI affordances lost over the last decade or two are unfortunate, but complaints about scroll bars seem to be purely baby duck syndrome.</text></item><item><author>jwells89</author><text>In the context of the original iPhone at least, hiding the scrollbar when not scrolling makes some amount of sense… when your screen is 3.5&amp;quot; in size and your goal is to render content with &amp;quot;desktop&amp;quot; fidelity, there&amp;#x27;s not a whole lot of room for a scrollbar, plus most people aren&amp;#x27;t going to be interacting with the scrollbar.&lt;p&gt;For desktop OSes where the smallest screen being used is much larger on the other hand there&amp;#x27;s not much of a good reason to hide them.</text></item><item><author>epistasis</author><text>I run into so many websites that I think are completely broken because they have a scollable popover or some other weird element, but it&amp;#x27;s impossible to tell that there is content because the scroll bar is hidden on this small interior frame.&lt;p&gt;Absolutely infuriating. I blame iOS and macOS for encouraging this insanity and starting the fashion trend, and tangentially whoever pushed along this whole &amp;quot;flat&amp;quot; UI trend that makes it so hard to guess at what is what.&lt;p&gt;UI is communication, and UI designers have decided that mumbling is cool.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>nine_k</author><text>It does not look nicer. It looks more mysterious. Where in the list am I? Is there anything below to scroll to? Above? To the right, everyone&amp;#x27;s favorite?&lt;p&gt;And no, trying to scroll every control just to find this out is not my ideal of usability and comfort.</text></comment>