<story><title>Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight</title><url>https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/20/technology/google-chatgpt-artificial-intelligence.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>college_physics</author><text>&amp;quot;In order to change an existing paradigm you do not struggle to try and change the problematic model. You create a new model and make the old one obsolete.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;Transcribing this profound insight of Buckminster Fuller to the current debate: You cannot out-do google by inventing &amp;quot;smarter&amp;quot; search. You need to create a new business model that makes the old one obsolete.&lt;p&gt;Is there any evidence that all this algorithmic magic is enabling new business models &lt;i&gt;that are not based on adtech&lt;/i&gt; more likely? It would be a blessing (presumably, because things can always drift further into evil) but, so far at least, there is little to point to such an imminent disruption</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>atombender</author><text>Google beat their original competitors — Altavista, Excite, Yahoo!, and so on — with an incremental improvement, not a new model. At the time (2000-2003), their search was better and faster, certainly, but not several orders of magnitude better.&lt;p&gt;In fact, Google was something of a reactionary model at the time, by rejecting the push for bloated, captive &amp;quot;web portals&amp;quot; and going back to the simpler, stripped-down user experience that Altavista had succeeded with originally.&lt;p&gt;Given how bad Google&amp;#x27;s results have become, I think you can certainly outdo it. Anecdotally, it&amp;#x27;s amazing how often I find myself reaching for ChapGPT these days to find basic facts that Google can&amp;#x27;t. I think Google is right to be afraid.</text></comment>
<story><title>Google calls in help from Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. fight</title><url>https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/20/technology/google-chatgpt-artificial-intelligence.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>college_physics</author><text>&amp;quot;In order to change an existing paradigm you do not struggle to try and change the problematic model. You create a new model and make the old one obsolete.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;Transcribing this profound insight of Buckminster Fuller to the current debate: You cannot out-do google by inventing &amp;quot;smarter&amp;quot; search. You need to create a new business model that makes the old one obsolete.&lt;p&gt;Is there any evidence that all this algorithmic magic is enabling new business models &lt;i&gt;that are not based on adtech&lt;/i&gt; more likely? It would be a blessing (presumably, because things can always drift further into evil) but, so far at least, there is little to point to such an imminent disruption</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>svantana</author><text>Exactly. Search ads are pretty much the perfect internet business model - if my biz is having a sale on lawnmowers, who better to target than people googling for &amp;quot;buy lawnmower&amp;quot;? If this is done right, everyone walks away happy and google makes a killing. ChatGPT is great, but it&amp;#x27;s pretty far from providing good answers to &amp;quot;where can I get a good deal on a lawnmower right now?&amp;quot; They might take over a decent share of esoteric, &amp;quot;school assignment&amp;quot; type queries, but they&amp;#x27;re not really a threat for the high-value searches.</text></comment>