<story><title>Most states start school too early in the morning</title><url>https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/usa-school-start-times</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>karaterobot</author><text>&amp;gt; This map shows which parts of the U.S. ignore the science.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;m starting to dislike the phrase &amp;quot;the science&amp;quot;, since I usually hear it used as a conversational bludgeon. The American Academy of Pediatrics recommended 8:30 AM as a minimum start time, that&amp;#x27;s not the same as &amp;quot;the science&amp;quot; definitely saying one thing or another. I don&amp;#x27;t have kids, and don&amp;#x27;t really care when schools start, so this is less a comment about that as it is about how annoying &amp;quot;the science&amp;quot; is as a phrase, how it&amp;#x27;s not a good description of how science works, and how it&amp;#x27;s usually misapplied to end conversations in favor of your prior opinion.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>legitster</author><text>&amp;gt; I&amp;#x27;m starting to dislike the phrase &amp;quot;the science&amp;quot;, since I usually hear it used as a conversational bludgeon&lt;p&gt;This also goes up there with the &amp;quot;in this house we believe SCIENCE IS REAL&amp;quot; signs.&lt;p&gt;We&amp;#x27;re currently living through the replication crisis and are awash in fraudulent academic journals. I don&amp;#x27;t think people who say this stuff would actually engage with you in a conversation about proper p-values for given sample sizes. So it&amp;#x27;s really just shorthand for trying to associate yourself to a certain intellectual class.</text></comment>
<story><title>Most states start school too early in the morning</title><url>https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/usa-school-start-times</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>karaterobot</author><text>&amp;gt; This map shows which parts of the U.S. ignore the science.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;m starting to dislike the phrase &amp;quot;the science&amp;quot;, since I usually hear it used as a conversational bludgeon. The American Academy of Pediatrics recommended 8:30 AM as a minimum start time, that&amp;#x27;s not the same as &amp;quot;the science&amp;quot; definitely saying one thing or another. I don&amp;#x27;t have kids, and don&amp;#x27;t really care when schools start, so this is less a comment about that as it is about how annoying &amp;quot;the science&amp;quot; is as a phrase, how it&amp;#x27;s not a good description of how science works, and how it&amp;#x27;s usually misapplied to end conversations in favor of your prior opinion.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>LaffertyDev</author><text>I agree with you about having annoyance with the phrase especially in the use of divisive topics.&lt;p&gt;I disagree in that, I don&amp;#x27;t think this is a divisive topic. I have not heard of a valid critique for school start times should be later aside from schools being a daycare supplement for working parents. But that&amp;#x27;s not science, its politics&amp;#x2F;economics. &amp;quot;The science&amp;quot; is, in my experience, very clear that young people should be allowed to wake-up later in the day to better conform with their natural sleep cycles.</text></comment>