<story><title>NY Supreme Court reinstates NYC&apos;s fired unvaccinated employees, orders backpay</title><url>https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/fbem/DocumentDisplayServlet?documentId=JK5E3gx5XV1/ku37jnWR_PLUS_w==&amp;system=prod&amp;TSPD_101_R0=08533cd43fab2000edb19601c775225bb3f6399e467eba468d5199c578db439f849eb7e40f10149908fdb0d7a514480063155165f24217998870310adf4e840d6f2dc7e02b7b4af121d79ec670c4468d9bd049aca6bd09e1e6afd8e75126fd352e140d96c7de44a910dd0fd70c45a64765c0ad37a316ee13</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>afarrell</author><text>&amp;gt; At the core, all social structure is built on the threat of violence&lt;p&gt;Cripes. Nope.&lt;p&gt;If this was true, how do you explain backyard cookouts, pool parties, trick-or-treating, or Christmas present exchanges?&lt;p&gt;How do you explain folk dance festivals, buskers, and non-royal weddings?&lt;p&gt;How on earth do you explain hugs?</text></item><item><author>RC_ITR</author><text>&amp;gt;where&amp;#x27;s the penalty for committing those actions in the first place&lt;p&gt;You&amp;#x27;ve hit the core problem of society&amp;#x2F;government that countless generations have tried to obfuscate via an academic body that implies that social interactions can be studied&amp;#x2F;understood like natural sciences.&lt;p&gt;At the core, all social structure is built on the threat of violence - Commit non-violent white collar crime? Show up to court, because if you don&amp;#x27;t you&amp;#x27;ll get arrested.  Run from the police when they try to arrest you? You&amp;#x27;ll get taken by force.&lt;p&gt;Reject Capitalism? Starve to death on the streets.&lt;p&gt;Sure, there&amp;#x27;s political theory and economics can act like &amp;quot;utility&amp;quot; drives all things, but at the end of the day, it&amp;#x27;s the threat of some sort of violently bad outcome that keeps society in check.&lt;p&gt;The recent rub is that we have (probably correctly) decided that violence is bad and we should all just be chill and work together &lt;i&gt;because it&amp;#x27;s good for all of us.&lt;/i&gt;  We&amp;#x27;ve also created &lt;i&gt;hyper&lt;/i&gt; complex systems that couldn&amp;#x27;t even theoretically be kept in check with violence (Who am I going to punch when I was duped by a crypto scam?).&lt;p&gt;So instead of angry mobs tarring and feathering bad politicians&amp;#x2F;business people (probably bad) we just grouse on the Internet (bad but not &lt;i&gt;as&lt;/i&gt; bad).&lt;p&gt;And stuff like this keeps happening, because an increasingly large number of people (especially the wealthy and politicians) are realizing the threat of violence isn&amp;#x27;t that great anymore.  Like look at Elon Musk - his whole &lt;i&gt;deal&lt;/i&gt; is proving that there are no bad consequences to doing whatever he wants and he&amp;#x27;s &lt;i&gt;revered&lt;/i&gt; for it because people who still have a risk of violence in their lives are &lt;i&gt;jealous&lt;/i&gt; but &lt;i&gt;believe they one day could get to a similar place.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;There&amp;#x27;s not really a solution other than figuring out how to may people be chill and cooperative on their own (good luck).</text></item><item><author>jakogut</author><text>Something I&amp;#x27;ve been wondering in recent cases where courts are overturning recent government action, whether unconstitutional bills passed into law, or unconstitutional executive actions that overstep authority, is where&amp;#x27;s the penalty for committing those actions in the first place?&lt;p&gt;The state of New York famously responded to the outcome of NYSRPA v. Bruen, which overturned the defacto ban on concealed carry, by declaring nearly all public spaces &amp;quot;sensitive areas&amp;quot; in which licensed individuals may not carry for their protection. Regardless of one&amp;#x27;s opinion of said rights, how do courts blatantly ignore rulings and orders from higher courts with no repercussions?&lt;p&gt;How do courts declare certain executive orders unconstitutional, and yet the perpetrators, who took an oath to uphold and defend said rights and values, face no consequences?</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>jkhdigital</author><text>Social interaction which is based on mutual trust (whether from family or sustained direct interpersonal interaction) is not really what we&amp;#x27;re talking about here. Folk dance festivals do not feed the world. The social structure of modern society is, by and large, about interactions between mutually distrusting strangers and their agents as they negotiate the exchange and distribution of economic resources. Basically everything you own and consume was produced by people you&amp;#x27;ve never seen or interacted with.</text></comment>
<story><title>NY Supreme Court reinstates NYC&apos;s fired unvaccinated employees, orders backpay</title><url>https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/fbem/DocumentDisplayServlet?documentId=JK5E3gx5XV1/ku37jnWR_PLUS_w==&amp;system=prod&amp;TSPD_101_R0=08533cd43fab2000edb19601c775225bb3f6399e467eba468d5199c578db439f849eb7e40f10149908fdb0d7a514480063155165f24217998870310adf4e840d6f2dc7e02b7b4af121d79ec670c4468d9bd049aca6bd09e1e6afd8e75126fd352e140d96c7de44a910dd0fd70c45a64765c0ad37a316ee13</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>afarrell</author><text>&amp;gt; At the core, all social structure is built on the threat of violence&lt;p&gt;Cripes. Nope.&lt;p&gt;If this was true, how do you explain backyard cookouts, pool parties, trick-or-treating, or Christmas present exchanges?&lt;p&gt;How do you explain folk dance festivals, buskers, and non-royal weddings?&lt;p&gt;How on earth do you explain hugs?</text></item><item><author>RC_ITR</author><text>&amp;gt;where&amp;#x27;s the penalty for committing those actions in the first place&lt;p&gt;You&amp;#x27;ve hit the core problem of society&amp;#x2F;government that countless generations have tried to obfuscate via an academic body that implies that social interactions can be studied&amp;#x2F;understood like natural sciences.&lt;p&gt;At the core, all social structure is built on the threat of violence - Commit non-violent white collar crime? Show up to court, because if you don&amp;#x27;t you&amp;#x27;ll get arrested.  Run from the police when they try to arrest you? You&amp;#x27;ll get taken by force.&lt;p&gt;Reject Capitalism? Starve to death on the streets.&lt;p&gt;Sure, there&amp;#x27;s political theory and economics can act like &amp;quot;utility&amp;quot; drives all things, but at the end of the day, it&amp;#x27;s the threat of some sort of violently bad outcome that keeps society in check.&lt;p&gt;The recent rub is that we have (probably correctly) decided that violence is bad and we should all just be chill and work together &lt;i&gt;because it&amp;#x27;s good for all of us.&lt;/i&gt;  We&amp;#x27;ve also created &lt;i&gt;hyper&lt;/i&gt; complex systems that couldn&amp;#x27;t even theoretically be kept in check with violence (Who am I going to punch when I was duped by a crypto scam?).&lt;p&gt;So instead of angry mobs tarring and feathering bad politicians&amp;#x2F;business people (probably bad) we just grouse on the Internet (bad but not &lt;i&gt;as&lt;/i&gt; bad).&lt;p&gt;And stuff like this keeps happening, because an increasingly large number of people (especially the wealthy and politicians) are realizing the threat of violence isn&amp;#x27;t that great anymore.  Like look at Elon Musk - his whole &lt;i&gt;deal&lt;/i&gt; is proving that there are no bad consequences to doing whatever he wants and he&amp;#x27;s &lt;i&gt;revered&lt;/i&gt; for it because people who still have a risk of violence in their lives are &lt;i&gt;jealous&lt;/i&gt; but &lt;i&gt;believe they one day could get to a similar place.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;There&amp;#x27;s not really a solution other than figuring out how to may people be chill and cooperative on their own (good luck).</text></item><item><author>jakogut</author><text>Something I&amp;#x27;ve been wondering in recent cases where courts are overturning recent government action, whether unconstitutional bills passed into law, or unconstitutional executive actions that overstep authority, is where&amp;#x27;s the penalty for committing those actions in the first place?&lt;p&gt;The state of New York famously responded to the outcome of NYSRPA v. Bruen, which overturned the defacto ban on concealed carry, by declaring nearly all public spaces &amp;quot;sensitive areas&amp;quot; in which licensed individuals may not carry for their protection. Regardless of one&amp;#x27;s opinion of said rights, how do courts blatantly ignore rulings and orders from higher courts with no repercussions?&lt;p&gt;How do courts declare certain executive orders unconstitutional, and yet the perpetrators, who took an oath to uphold and defend said rights and values, face no consequences?</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>whoopdedo</author><text>Because every stick needs a carrot.&lt;p&gt;Positive reinforcement is not antithetical to the threat of violence and can go hand-in-hand. If you&amp;#x27;re good to me I&amp;#x27;ll treat you like family. But violate that peace and me and my clan will come down on you with furious anger. That&amp;#x27;s how people have lived for time immemorial.</text></comment>