<story><title>Google’s 4k-Word Privacy Policy Is a History of the Internet</title><url>https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/07/10/opinion/google-privacy-policy.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>SolaceQuantum</author><text>Asking for curiosity: Given the tenured faculty comparison, should we blame tenured faculty who criticize predatory lending when their university accepts students with the same predatory loans?&lt;p&gt;Or perhaps a more direct comparison: Are tenured faculty at D1 sports universities hypocritical for researching the benefits of more funding going towards education and less towards massive stadiums?</text></item><item><author>icxa</author><text>&amp;gt; We should celebrate this, not mock it.&lt;p&gt;I don&amp;#x27;t know what dystopian world you want to live in, but any time I see a company profit off sheer hypocrisy, I am going to call it out and mock it. They can have freedom all they want, but this article is generating clicks and revenues for Parent Corp, so they deserve the scrutiny.  This isn&amp;#x27;t some public service they are providing.</text></item><item><author>smnrchrds</author><text>There is a separation between NYT the corporation and the editorial staff. Just a couple of weeks ago, there was an article in NYT complaining about CCTVs installed in NYT office [0]. Should we now dismiss every article in NYT complaining about surveillance (especially workplace surveillance) as hypocritical and ironic, because if NYT thinks surveillance is bad, why do they do it themselves?&lt;p&gt;Newspapers like NYT are one of the few institutions where workers enjoy a level of freedom from management in doing their work. The other example is tenured professors. We should celebrate this, not mock it.&lt;p&gt;[0] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.nytimes.com&amp;#x2F;2019&amp;#x2F;06&amp;#x2F;01&amp;#x2F;opinion&amp;#x2F;surveillance-cameras-work.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.nytimes.com&amp;#x2F;2019&amp;#x2F;06&amp;#x2F;01&amp;#x2F;opinion&amp;#x2F;surveillance-came...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>jsnell</author><text>The NYT privacy policy [0] is 5.2K words. It contains basically everything that they&amp;#x27;re criticizing Google for. And a bit more. Apparently NYT will by default sell (sorry, &amp;quot;rent&amp;quot;) your name and postal address to direct mail advertisers.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; [If you use technology, someone is using your information. We’ll tell you how — and what you can do about it. Sign up for our limited-run newsletter.]&lt;p&gt;Uh-huh. If there&amp;#x27;s even a trace of irony in that writing, I can&amp;#x27;t spot it.&lt;p&gt;[0] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;help.nytimes.com&amp;#x2F;hc&amp;#x2F;en-us&amp;#x2F;articles&amp;#x2F;115014892108-Privacy-policy?module=inline&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;help.nytimes.com&amp;#x2F;hc&amp;#x2F;en-us&amp;#x2F;articles&amp;#x2F;115014892108-Priv...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>thanhhaimai</author><text>There are two different cases for this:&lt;p&gt;1) The faculty member from University A writes an article criticizing University B, &lt;i&gt;without&lt;/i&gt; mentioning that University A also has the same problems.&lt;p&gt;2) The faculty member from University A writes an article criticizing a set of problems, including examples from both University A and B.&lt;p&gt;The subtle distinction between both #1 and #2 is why people have different opinions on this. Many people consider #1 to be hypocritical and #2 to be fair.</text></comment>
<story><title>Google’s 4k-Word Privacy Policy Is a History of the Internet</title><url>https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/07/10/opinion/google-privacy-policy.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>SolaceQuantum</author><text>Asking for curiosity: Given the tenured faculty comparison, should we blame tenured faculty who criticize predatory lending when their university accepts students with the same predatory loans?&lt;p&gt;Or perhaps a more direct comparison: Are tenured faculty at D1 sports universities hypocritical for researching the benefits of more funding going towards education and less towards massive stadiums?</text></item><item><author>icxa</author><text>&amp;gt; We should celebrate this, not mock it.&lt;p&gt;I don&amp;#x27;t know what dystopian world you want to live in, but any time I see a company profit off sheer hypocrisy, I am going to call it out and mock it. They can have freedom all they want, but this article is generating clicks and revenues for Parent Corp, so they deserve the scrutiny.  This isn&amp;#x27;t some public service they are providing.</text></item><item><author>smnrchrds</author><text>There is a separation between NYT the corporation and the editorial staff. Just a couple of weeks ago, there was an article in NYT complaining about CCTVs installed in NYT office [0]. Should we now dismiss every article in NYT complaining about surveillance (especially workplace surveillance) as hypocritical and ironic, because if NYT thinks surveillance is bad, why do they do it themselves?&lt;p&gt;Newspapers like NYT are one of the few institutions where workers enjoy a level of freedom from management in doing their work. The other example is tenured professors. We should celebrate this, not mock it.&lt;p&gt;[0] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.nytimes.com&amp;#x2F;2019&amp;#x2F;06&amp;#x2F;01&amp;#x2F;opinion&amp;#x2F;surveillance-cameras-work.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.nytimes.com&amp;#x2F;2019&amp;#x2F;06&amp;#x2F;01&amp;#x2F;opinion&amp;#x2F;surveillance-came...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>jsnell</author><text>The NYT privacy policy [0] is 5.2K words. It contains basically everything that they&amp;#x27;re criticizing Google for. And a bit more. Apparently NYT will by default sell (sorry, &amp;quot;rent&amp;quot;) your name and postal address to direct mail advertisers.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; [If you use technology, someone is using your information. We’ll tell you how — and what you can do about it. Sign up for our limited-run newsletter.]&lt;p&gt;Uh-huh. If there&amp;#x27;s even a trace of irony in that writing, I can&amp;#x27;t spot it.&lt;p&gt;[0] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;help.nytimes.com&amp;#x2F;hc&amp;#x2F;en-us&amp;#x2F;articles&amp;#x2F;115014892108-Privacy-policy?module=inline&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;help.nytimes.com&amp;#x2F;hc&amp;#x2F;en-us&amp;#x2F;articles&amp;#x2F;115014892108-Priv...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>longway2go</author><text>If the lecturer gave a lecture and handed out fliers for the thing they were criticising without explaining that this was an example of the same problem the  yes 100%.&lt;p&gt;The only way the article, its writer, the editor and the organisation should not be ridiculed is if they explicitly reference their own t&amp;#x27;s and c&amp;#x27;s in the article. Or if we all agree this is not news but entertainment and should not be takrn seriously (or shared on hacker news)</text></comment>