<story><title>After losing half its value, Nvidia faces reckoning</title><url>https://techcrunch.com/2018/12/12/nvidia-perfect-storm/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>Wowfunhappy</author><text>As a gamer, I&amp;#x27;m torn on the rtx line. On one hand, it really is &lt;i&gt;super&lt;/i&gt; expensive for an entertainment product that will be outdated in a few years. On the other hand, the exceptionally large die justifies that cost on a technical level, and raytracing in real time games is legitimately cool—much more so, IMO, then just another resolution or fps bump.&lt;p&gt;I certainly don&amp;#x27;t intend to upgrade, but I admire nVidia for the gutsy move, and I&amp;#x27;m glad they&amp;#x27;re pushing the industry in this direction.</text></item><item><author>Animats</author><text>Yes, their stock price is now back to June 2017. Not too bad.&lt;p&gt;NVidia may have focused on the high end too much. They have a card for the machine learning crowd that costs $16,000.[1]
The product they&amp;#x27;re now pushing to gamers, the 2080, is about $1000. It has some ray tracing hardware used by nothing. On existing games it&amp;#x27;s about the same speed as their 2-year old 1080, which NVidia just discontinued.&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.dell.com&amp;#x2F;en-us&amp;#x2F;shop&amp;#x2F;accessories&amp;#x2F;apd&amp;#x2F;490-bens&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.dell.com&amp;#x2F;en-us&amp;#x2F;shop&amp;#x2F;accessories&amp;#x2F;apd&amp;#x2F;490-bens&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>KaoruAoiShiho</author><text>It&amp;#x27;s up 50% over 2 years and 400% over 3. Idiot article. Ignore the crypto bubble&amp;#x2F;pump and NVDA is growing quickly - both the business and the stock.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>FooHentai</author><text>&amp;gt;It has some ray tracing hardware used by nothing.&lt;p&gt;Hard to fault this. It&amp;#x27;s reminiscent of when hardware transform &amp;amp; lighting (T&amp;amp;L) was introduced. Nothing used it until the cards existed, but the cards had to come along before anyone would bother coding it into the games.</text></comment>
<story><title>After losing half its value, Nvidia faces reckoning</title><url>https://techcrunch.com/2018/12/12/nvidia-perfect-storm/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>Wowfunhappy</author><text>As a gamer, I&amp;#x27;m torn on the rtx line. On one hand, it really is &lt;i&gt;super&lt;/i&gt; expensive for an entertainment product that will be outdated in a few years. On the other hand, the exceptionally large die justifies that cost on a technical level, and raytracing in real time games is legitimately cool—much more so, IMO, then just another resolution or fps bump.&lt;p&gt;I certainly don&amp;#x27;t intend to upgrade, but I admire nVidia for the gutsy move, and I&amp;#x27;m glad they&amp;#x27;re pushing the industry in this direction.</text></item><item><author>Animats</author><text>Yes, their stock price is now back to June 2017. Not too bad.&lt;p&gt;NVidia may have focused on the high end too much. They have a card for the machine learning crowd that costs $16,000.[1]
The product they&amp;#x27;re now pushing to gamers, the 2080, is about $1000. It has some ray tracing hardware used by nothing. On existing games it&amp;#x27;s about the same speed as their 2-year old 1080, which NVidia just discontinued.&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.dell.com&amp;#x2F;en-us&amp;#x2F;shop&amp;#x2F;accessories&amp;#x2F;apd&amp;#x2F;490-bens&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.dell.com&amp;#x2F;en-us&amp;#x2F;shop&amp;#x2F;accessories&amp;#x2F;apd&amp;#x2F;490-bens&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>KaoruAoiShiho</author><text>It&amp;#x27;s up 50% over 2 years and 400% over 3. Idiot article. Ignore the crypto bubble&amp;#x2F;pump and NVDA is growing quickly - both the business and the stock.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>suresk</author><text>I am a little torn, too. I built a new machine recently and went with the 2080 (Stepping up to the 2080ti when they become available).&lt;p&gt;On one hand, there is the appreciation for the technical achievement of something that seemed unlikely for a while (real-time ray tracing), plus as you mention, then increased die size. They look to be pretty good for ML applications, as well.&lt;p&gt;On the other hand, there is the increased price and, frankly, underwhelming results. The only game that uses the RTX feature suffers substantial performance penalties for turning on the RTX feature and most people (including me) just try it out for a few minutes and then turn it off. Is the quality better? Yeah, the reflections are shaper and more consistent when changing views (ie, aiming down a sight), but they aren&amp;#x27;t game-changing and are definitely not worth the performance penalty.&lt;p&gt;This generation of cards is worth skipping if you aren&amp;#x27;t building a new computer.</text></comment>