<story><title>Against Hickelism</title><url>https://noahpinion.substack.com/p/against-hickelism</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>jariel</author><text>This is interesting because Max Roser makes his case that he&amp;#x27;s implicitly not supporting colonialism because most economic expansion happened after colonialism.&lt;p&gt;Except that the established colonies of Canada, Australia, NZ did exceedingly well, as did the long standing colony Hong Kong.&lt;p&gt;Japan and South Korea (to some extent Taiwan), rebuilt after the war(s) under Anglo-American protection and reformation, also did very well, far better than most.&lt;p&gt;Singapore? Continued it&amp;#x27;s colonial style operations.&lt;p&gt;Vietnam? No so good.&lt;p&gt;The more colonialism there &amp;#x27;was&amp;#x27; the better they&amp;#x27;ve done in recent years, unconditionally. Colonialism for the most part, was an early form of economic globalization, however unfair it was is a different issue.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s only be controversial to ideologues.</text></item><item><author>_Microft</author><text>You might also want to read this thread by Max Roser, the one behind „Our World in Data“ about why he is done with Mr. Hickel:&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.twitter.com&amp;#x2F;MaxCRoser&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;1378730932308471809&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.twitter.com&amp;#x2F;MaxCRoser&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;1378730932308471809&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;If you prefer blog-style formatted text over the Twitter UI, look here:&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;threadreaderapp.com&amp;#x2F;thread&amp;#x2F;1378730932308471809.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;threadreaderapp.com&amp;#x2F;thread&amp;#x2F;1378730932308471809.html&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>vitus</author><text>These points look cherry-picked to support your argument.&lt;p&gt;To cherry-pick a few more points: Bangladesh, India, Nigeria, Pakistan. All of these were British colonies prior to Hong Kong (which was a British territory from 1841 to 1997). All of these have populations &amp;gt;150M (significantly greater than the UK itself!). All of these are in the bottom third of countries in terms of GDP per capita (and in fact worse off than Vietnam).&lt;p&gt;(Well, okay, India hovers right around that 33%ile depending on your choice of measure.)&lt;p&gt;Next on the list of Commonwealth of Nations by population are UK itself (wealthy, but wasn&amp;#x27;t a colony...), Tanzania (poor), South Africa (wealthy!), Kenya (poor), Uganda (very poor).</text></comment>
<story><title>Against Hickelism</title><url>https://noahpinion.substack.com/p/against-hickelism</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>jariel</author><text>This is interesting because Max Roser makes his case that he&amp;#x27;s implicitly not supporting colonialism because most economic expansion happened after colonialism.&lt;p&gt;Except that the established colonies of Canada, Australia, NZ did exceedingly well, as did the long standing colony Hong Kong.&lt;p&gt;Japan and South Korea (to some extent Taiwan), rebuilt after the war(s) under Anglo-American protection and reformation, also did very well, far better than most.&lt;p&gt;Singapore? Continued it&amp;#x27;s colonial style operations.&lt;p&gt;Vietnam? No so good.&lt;p&gt;The more colonialism there &amp;#x27;was&amp;#x27; the better they&amp;#x27;ve done in recent years, unconditionally. Colonialism for the most part, was an early form of economic globalization, however unfair it was is a different issue.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s only be controversial to ideologues.</text></item><item><author>_Microft</author><text>You might also want to read this thread by Max Roser, the one behind „Our World in Data“ about why he is done with Mr. Hickel:&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.twitter.com&amp;#x2F;MaxCRoser&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;1378730932308471809&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.twitter.com&amp;#x2F;MaxCRoser&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;1378730932308471809&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;If you prefer blog-style formatted text over the Twitter UI, look here:&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;threadreaderapp.com&amp;#x2F;thread&amp;#x2F;1378730932308471809.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;threadreaderapp.com&amp;#x2F;thread&amp;#x2F;1378730932308471809.html&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>zozbot234</author><text>Talking about &amp;quot;colonialism&amp;quot; in general terms obscures the very real variation in outcomes. Colonies that were mainly influenced by English-like institutions did better than average because they tended to be more trade-oriented and inclusive, whilst other colonies were more extractive and those countries ended up with bad institutional arrangements that affect them to this day.</text></comment>