<story><title>Thank HN: From Google form to $1k in revenue in one month</title><url>https://blog.oldgeekjobs.com/from-google-form-to-1000-in-revenue-in-one-month-3f5cd75b6089</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>b212</author><text>Can you do another good deed and require your posters to include salary range in their job ads?&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s the norm in the UK and we successfully forced this in Poland (though posters almost NEVER post salaries here). How? The companies need IT staff so much that almost all IT job boards (at least the most popular ones - like FB groups or &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;nofluffjobs.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;nofluffjobs.com&lt;/a&gt;) started requiring the salary range.&lt;p&gt;I think your idea is praiseworthy, but I&amp;#x27;d never ever create a website like this with hidden salaries. Especially in your case - it&amp;#x27;s so cool people post jobs on your board, but what if they do so, because they&amp;#x27;re offering 10, 20, 40% less because it&amp;#x27;s a place for &amp;quot;old geeks that noone wants&amp;quot;?&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;m really super proud that if a IT ad in Poland has no salary range most of us just ignore it. And it took us maybe 2 years to get to this place. I think every other country should follow the lead and end the &amp;quot;competitive salary&amp;quot; trend. I don&amp;#x27;t want to spend 3 days on interviews just to discover that the salary offered is way too low for me. Salary missing from an ad is a big lack of respect, the sooner people realize that the better.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>johnwheeler</author><text>No. A salary range requirement isn&amp;#x27;t customary in the U.S., and I&amp;#x27;m in no position to enforce one at such an early stage.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;ll make it an option though, and I&amp;#x27;ll include the salary data that StackOverflow ads make available when they do. I definitely prefer seeing a salary range when I look for jobs.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; I&amp;#x27;d never ever create a website like this with hidden salaries. ...what if they do so, because they&amp;#x27;re offering 10, 20, 40% less because it&amp;#x27;s a place for &amp;quot;old geeks that noone wants&amp;quot;?&lt;p&gt;In my experience, the risk of wage exploitation decreases with age. Unfortunately, a lot of younger workers are paid lower than less skilled, but older workers simply because of lack of seniority and&amp;#x2F;or negotiating skills.&lt;p&gt;But, I must say such &amp;quot;what ifs&amp;quot; are silly in business. &lt;i&gt;What if&lt;/i&gt; your anticipation of a nonexistent problem is the cause of your inaction?&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;m not being snarky so much as serious. I&amp;#x27;ve been in a number of meetings where I had to cede to someone&amp;#x27;s &amp;quot;what if&amp;quot; when the alternative was a cheap and measurable test. Cheap and measurable tests are the primary thrust of my blog post.</text></comment>
<story><title>Thank HN: From Google form to $1k in revenue in one month</title><url>https://blog.oldgeekjobs.com/from-google-form-to-1000-in-revenue-in-one-month-3f5cd75b6089</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>b212</author><text>Can you do another good deed and require your posters to include salary range in their job ads?&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s the norm in the UK and we successfully forced this in Poland (though posters almost NEVER post salaries here). How? The companies need IT staff so much that almost all IT job boards (at least the most popular ones - like FB groups or &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;nofluffjobs.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;nofluffjobs.com&lt;/a&gt;) started requiring the salary range.&lt;p&gt;I think your idea is praiseworthy, but I&amp;#x27;d never ever create a website like this with hidden salaries. Especially in your case - it&amp;#x27;s so cool people post jobs on your board, but what if they do so, because they&amp;#x27;re offering 10, 20, 40% less because it&amp;#x27;s a place for &amp;quot;old geeks that noone wants&amp;quot;?&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;m really super proud that if a IT ad in Poland has no salary range most of us just ignore it. And it took us maybe 2 years to get to this place. I think every other country should follow the lead and end the &amp;quot;competitive salary&amp;quot; trend. I don&amp;#x27;t want to spend 3 days on interviews just to discover that the salary offered is way too low for me. Salary missing from an ad is a big lack of respect, the sooner people realize that the better.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>ptero</author><text>Just my 2c -- I&amp;#x27;m in the US and I disagree. For example, many of the jobs allow for a very broad experience.&lt;p&gt;For example, in my current job, we are often looking for a smart, energetic people to work on X. Someone with a BS just out of college? An engineer with 10 years of matching experience? Tech lead wo just built X elsewhere? We will take either (if we like them) and adjust responsibilities instead.&lt;p&gt;This approach requires either creating multiple postings (a pain; we do not need so many people; it confuses the heck out of HR on why a single hire needs 3 postings), posting ridiculously wide salary range or saying &amp;quot;salary commensurate with experience&amp;quot; (which nowadays says nothing at all). My 2c.</text></comment>