<story><title>Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California</title><url>https://www.theregister.com/2023/06/09/mercedes_california_tesla/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>bboygravity</author><text>This FUD is insane.&lt;p&gt;You make it sounds like Tesla&amp;#x27;s with FSD on are crashing all the time. This makes no sense at all, because... they aren&amp;#x27;t?</text></item><item><author>BoorishBears</author><text>Working in the AV space, it&amp;#x27;s really frustrating how confidently people who have no idea about what&amp;#x27;s hard and what isn&amp;#x27;t go off about Tesla right now.&lt;p&gt;Mercedes has soundly beaten the last decade of Tesla efforts by reaching L3.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;ve personally watched FSD go off the rails and into a crash situation within 60 seconds of being turned on three times this month (I have a friend who loves to try it in San Francisco)&lt;p&gt;Had it crashed it&amp;#x27;d be on my friend, not Tesla. The fact Mercedes is taking responsibility puts it in an entirely different level of effectiveness.&lt;p&gt;-&lt;p&gt;People also don&amp;#x27;t seem to understand Mercedes has a separate L2 system that works above 45 mph that already scores better than AP by consumer reports</text></item><item><author>oxfordmale</author><text>Mercedes accepts legal liability for collisions if the system is used under these stringent conditions. Tesla doesn&amp;#x27;t do this.&lt;p&gt;It also doesn&amp;#x27;t mean it doesn&amp;#x27;t have the technical capability to drive through the streets of LA for 60 minutes.&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.thatcham.org&amp;#x2F;mercedes-to-accept-liability-for-accidents-when-automated-driving-system-engaged&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.thatcham.org&amp;#x2F;mercedes-to-accept-liability-for-ac...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>gzer0</author><text>Friendly reminder that this system is HEAVILY limited, with the following restrictions:&lt;p&gt;&lt;pre&gt;&lt;code&gt;  - Must be under 40 mph
  - Only during the daylight and only on certain highways
  - CANNOT be operated on city&amp;#x2F;country streets
  - CANNOT be operated in construction zones
  - CANNOT be during heavy rain or fog or flood roads
&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
And for comparison: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.youtube.com&amp;#x2F;watch?v=DjZSZTKYEU4&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.youtube.com&amp;#x2F;watch?v=DjZSZTKYEU4&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Tesla FSD navigating the complex city streets of LA for 60 minutes with zero human intervention.&lt;p&gt;This seems like a marketing gimmick by Mercedes at best; the two technologies aren&amp;#x27;t even in the same league. Any comparison is laughable. They are outmatched, outclassed, and absolutely outdone. Karpathy (now @ OpenAI) and the Tesla FSD team have really done an incredible job.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>BoorishBears</author><text>Teslas with FSD are &lt;i&gt;disengaging&lt;/i&gt; all the time. And even worse, it&amp;#x27;s not always FSD initiating: often times it&amp;#x27;s FSD not realizing it&amp;#x27;s about to do something wrong, the humans take over, and then them brushing it off as &amp;quot;well it&amp;#x27;s a beta&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;I bet it would have gotten it but I wasn&amp;#x27;t so sure&amp;quot;.&lt;p&gt;Getting to a point where Mercedes can guarantee their system will correctly initiate disengagements and do so with a 10 seconds of response time while putting the liability on themselves is a &lt;i&gt;massive&lt;/i&gt; leap of anything Tesla has ever put out.&lt;p&gt;Again, this is what happens when you have literally no clue how the space works (and then turn around and accuse people of FUD.)</text></comment>
<story><title>Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California</title><url>https://www.theregister.com/2023/06/09/mercedes_california_tesla/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>bboygravity</author><text>This FUD is insane.&lt;p&gt;You make it sounds like Tesla&amp;#x27;s with FSD on are crashing all the time. This makes no sense at all, because... they aren&amp;#x27;t?</text></item><item><author>BoorishBears</author><text>Working in the AV space, it&amp;#x27;s really frustrating how confidently people who have no idea about what&amp;#x27;s hard and what isn&amp;#x27;t go off about Tesla right now.&lt;p&gt;Mercedes has soundly beaten the last decade of Tesla efforts by reaching L3.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;ve personally watched FSD go off the rails and into a crash situation within 60 seconds of being turned on three times this month (I have a friend who loves to try it in San Francisco)&lt;p&gt;Had it crashed it&amp;#x27;d be on my friend, not Tesla. The fact Mercedes is taking responsibility puts it in an entirely different level of effectiveness.&lt;p&gt;-&lt;p&gt;People also don&amp;#x27;t seem to understand Mercedes has a separate L2 system that works above 45 mph that already scores better than AP by consumer reports</text></item><item><author>oxfordmale</author><text>Mercedes accepts legal liability for collisions if the system is used under these stringent conditions. Tesla doesn&amp;#x27;t do this.&lt;p&gt;It also doesn&amp;#x27;t mean it doesn&amp;#x27;t have the technical capability to drive through the streets of LA for 60 minutes.&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.thatcham.org&amp;#x2F;mercedes-to-accept-liability-for-accidents-when-automated-driving-system-engaged&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.thatcham.org&amp;#x2F;mercedes-to-accept-liability-for-ac...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>gzer0</author><text>Friendly reminder that this system is HEAVILY limited, with the following restrictions:&lt;p&gt;&lt;pre&gt;&lt;code&gt;  - Must be under 40 mph
  - Only during the daylight and only on certain highways
  - CANNOT be operated on city&amp;#x2F;country streets
  - CANNOT be operated in construction zones
  - CANNOT be during heavy rain or fog or flood roads
&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
And for comparison: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.youtube.com&amp;#x2F;watch?v=DjZSZTKYEU4&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.youtube.com&amp;#x2F;watch?v=DjZSZTKYEU4&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Tesla FSD navigating the complex city streets of LA for 60 minutes with zero human intervention.&lt;p&gt;This seems like a marketing gimmick by Mercedes at best; the two technologies aren&amp;#x27;t even in the same league. Any comparison is laughable. They are outmatched, outclassed, and absolutely outdone. Karpathy (now @ OpenAI) and the Tesla FSD team have really done an incredible job.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>cgh</author><text>I&amp;#x27;m not sure what the track record for FSD is so far but Autopilot&amp;#x27;s isn&amp;#x27;t great and inspires little confidence: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.washingtonpost.com&amp;#x2F;technology&amp;#x2F;2023&amp;#x2F;06&amp;#x2F;10&amp;#x2F;tesla-autopilot-crashes-elon-musk&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.washingtonpost.com&amp;#x2F;technology&amp;#x2F;2023&amp;#x2F;06&amp;#x2F;10&amp;#x2F;tesla-a...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;17 fatalities, 736 crashes.</text></comment>