<story><title>PHP has been removed in macOS Monterey</title><url>https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/681907</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>mekster</author><text>It&amp;#x27;s still impressive that powerful command line environment and the best GUI are offered in a same OS.&lt;p&gt;Usually it&amp;#x27;s one or the other.</text></item><item><author>tpush</author><text>Genuine question: is there anyone (corporate or not) that cares that macOS is a certified Unix?</text></item><item><author>Stranger43</author><text>Perl is requires for apple to maintain their unix(tm) certification. And while they likely dont see it as core to what they want macos to become it would be an news story in the more sensationalist part of the IT press if they were to drop it. and big sur is still listed as certified
&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.opengroup.org&amp;#x2F;openbrand&amp;#x2F;register&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.opengroup.org&amp;#x2F;openbrand&amp;#x2F;register&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;.</text></item><item><author>darrenf</author><text>Regarding Perl, rather than removing it Apple actually &lt;i&gt;upgraded&lt;/i&gt; it – from 5.28 to 5.30 – in Big Sur 11.3. I wasn&amp;#x27;t the only one briefly surprised and bitten by it:&lt;p&gt;• &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;github.com&amp;#x2F;Homebrew&amp;#x2F;brew&amp;#x2F;issues&amp;#x2F;10127#issuecomment-828121139&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;github.com&amp;#x2F;Homebrew&amp;#x2F;brew&amp;#x2F;issues&amp;#x2F;10127#issuecomment-8...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;• &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;github.com&amp;#x2F;Homebrew&amp;#x2F;brew&amp;#x2F;issues&amp;#x2F;11275&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;github.com&amp;#x2F;Homebrew&amp;#x2F;brew&amp;#x2F;issues&amp;#x2F;11275&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>WalterGR</author><text>Xcode 11 Release Notes (&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;developer.apple.com&amp;#x2F;documentation&amp;#x2F;xcode-release-notes&amp;#x2F;xcode-11-release-notes&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;developer.apple.com&amp;#x2F;documentation&amp;#x2F;xcode-release-note...&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;Scripting language runtimes such as Python, Ruby, and Perl are included in macOS for compatibility with legacy software. In future versions of macOS, scripting language runtimes won’t be available by default, and may require you to install an additional package. If your software depends on scripting languages, it’s recommended that you bundle the runtime within the app. (49764202)&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;Found via &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;mjtsai.com&amp;#x2F;blog&amp;#x2F;2019&amp;#x2F;06&amp;#x2F;04&amp;#x2F;scripting-languages-to-be-removed&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;mjtsai.com&amp;#x2F;blog&amp;#x2F;2019&amp;#x2F;06&amp;#x2F;04&amp;#x2F;scripting-languages-to-be...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>akho</author><text>Powerful command-line environments are offered everywhere (wsl, Linux container on Chrome, Linux on Linux). MacOS is actually quite lacking in comparison (being limited wrt licenses and lacking a package manager). So it’s just a GUI question, and I’m not sure there is a definite lead these days.&lt;p&gt;Integration with their other hardware devices is the more important moat right now, as is hardware.</text></comment>
<story><title>PHP has been removed in macOS Monterey</title><url>https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/681907</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>mekster</author><text>It&amp;#x27;s still impressive that powerful command line environment and the best GUI are offered in a same OS.&lt;p&gt;Usually it&amp;#x27;s one or the other.</text></item><item><author>tpush</author><text>Genuine question: is there anyone (corporate or not) that cares that macOS is a certified Unix?</text></item><item><author>Stranger43</author><text>Perl is requires for apple to maintain their unix(tm) certification. And while they likely dont see it as core to what they want macos to become it would be an news story in the more sensationalist part of the IT press if they were to drop it. and big sur is still listed as certified
&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.opengroup.org&amp;#x2F;openbrand&amp;#x2F;register&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.opengroup.org&amp;#x2F;openbrand&amp;#x2F;register&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;.</text></item><item><author>darrenf</author><text>Regarding Perl, rather than removing it Apple actually &lt;i&gt;upgraded&lt;/i&gt; it – from 5.28 to 5.30 – in Big Sur 11.3. I wasn&amp;#x27;t the only one briefly surprised and bitten by it:&lt;p&gt;• &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;github.com&amp;#x2F;Homebrew&amp;#x2F;brew&amp;#x2F;issues&amp;#x2F;10127#issuecomment-828121139&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;github.com&amp;#x2F;Homebrew&amp;#x2F;brew&amp;#x2F;issues&amp;#x2F;10127#issuecomment-8...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;• &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;github.com&amp;#x2F;Homebrew&amp;#x2F;brew&amp;#x2F;issues&amp;#x2F;11275&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;github.com&amp;#x2F;Homebrew&amp;#x2F;brew&amp;#x2F;issues&amp;#x2F;11275&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>WalterGR</author><text>Xcode 11 Release Notes (&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;developer.apple.com&amp;#x2F;documentation&amp;#x2F;xcode-release-notes&amp;#x2F;xcode-11-release-notes&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;developer.apple.com&amp;#x2F;documentation&amp;#x2F;xcode-release-note...&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;Scripting language runtimes such as Python, Ruby, and Perl are included in macOS for compatibility with legacy software. In future versions of macOS, scripting language runtimes won’t be available by default, and may require you to install an additional package. If your software depends on scripting languages, it’s recommended that you bundle the runtime within the app. (49764202)&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;Found via &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;mjtsai.com&amp;#x2F;blog&amp;#x2F;2019&amp;#x2F;06&amp;#x2F;04&amp;#x2F;scripting-languages-to-be-removed&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;mjtsai.com&amp;#x2F;blog&amp;#x2F;2019&amp;#x2F;06&amp;#x2F;04&amp;#x2F;scripting-languages-to-be...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>hnlmorg</author><text>That&amp;#x27;s a hugely subjective comment and there are plenty of instances throughout history of a powerful CLI and sophisticated GUI being included as part of the same OS (Xerox Alto, BeOS, NeXT, Plan 9). Linux and *BSD&amp;#x27;s have plenty of popular WM &amp;#x2F; DEs too: personally I&amp;#x27;d rate KDE above anything commercial I&amp;#x27;ve used but that&amp;#x27;s my subjective preference. Heck these days even Windows can be argued as having a &amp;quot;powerful CLI&amp;quot; with both WSL and Powershell existing, and the Windows UI has it&amp;#x27;s fair share of fans (regardless of what our own personal preferences might be).</text></comment>