<story><title>Web vs. native: let’s concede defeat</title><url>http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2015/05/web_vs_native_l.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>fizk</author><text>Remember Flash? Narrow the gap, add a bit of Steve Jobs and Boom! The web Won.&lt;p&gt;Look at a site like YouTube today. All the tooling we&amp;#x27;ve created and all the progress of the open web platform that has made that site happen is incredible. If we&amp;#x27;ve just given up 10 years ago, saying to ourselves that the web should only be for documents, then we would be missing out big time right now.&lt;p&gt;It’s not for every site to try and push the envelope. And mimicking native can often lead to bad results. But to go from that and say that we shouldn’t try. That’s just sad.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>the8472</author><text>&amp;gt; Look at a site like YouTube today.&lt;p&gt;And yet any media player beats it at its core functionality: video playback.&lt;p&gt;Often I find myself using youtube-dl to fetch a youtube video and just play it in a regular media player because it just works better than what browsers have to offer.
There even are addons to export YT playlists to VLC and stream them.&lt;p&gt;pdfjs is great. but every 3rd scientific paper I read tends to be somewhat broken (missing diagrams&amp;#x2F;images) or sometimes fails to render completely. native readers provide a better experience and better render times.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt;And mimicking native can often lead to bad results. But to go from that and say that we shouldn’t try.&lt;p&gt;Maybe sometimes it would be better to provide better integration with native applications?&lt;p&gt;Native applications and browsers really don&amp;#x27;t like talking to each other.</text></comment>
<story><title>Web vs. native: let’s concede defeat</title><url>http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2015/05/web_vs_native_l.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>fizk</author><text>Remember Flash? Narrow the gap, add a bit of Steve Jobs and Boom! The web Won.&lt;p&gt;Look at a site like YouTube today. All the tooling we&amp;#x27;ve created and all the progress of the open web platform that has made that site happen is incredible. If we&amp;#x27;ve just given up 10 years ago, saying to ourselves that the web should only be for documents, then we would be missing out big time right now.&lt;p&gt;It’s not for every site to try and push the envelope. And mimicking native can often lead to bad results. But to go from that and say that we shouldn’t try. That’s just sad.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>pjc50</author><text>Youtube is an interesting choice of example, since in a way it&amp;#x27;s &amp;quot;just documents&amp;quot; - those documents happen to be video, and are surrounded by hyperlinks to other video&amp;#x27;s pages. The real achievement here was cutting through the intellectual property thicket so that everyone could have an in-browser video player in HTML5.&lt;p&gt;The first site I ever saw that used Javascript to produce a useful application rather than annoying frippery was Google Maps.&lt;p&gt;(Rhetorical question: why does everyone use youtube rather than hosting videos on their own sites? Unpacking this question will show the obstacles that &amp;quot;redecentralisation&amp;quot; faces)</text></comment>