<story><title>Fedora 16 Released</title><url>http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/Release_Notes/index.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>leif</author><text>I am now a Productive Member Of Society, which means two things: I have a macbook air (from my job), and I have little free time.  In the past, seeing a release like this would mean picking the least-used partition on my computer, doing a full install, and using it for a week before deciding what I had before was better, or not doing that.&lt;p&gt;This time around, here was my experience:&lt;p&gt;1. Download the ISO&lt;p&gt;2. Open up VMWare (oh shit, there&apos;s a new version! oh shit, you have to pay again...forget it)&lt;p&gt;3. Make a new VM, boot the ISO&lt;p&gt;4. GNOME 3 won&apos;t work.  Hmm, well I probably need VMWare Tools installed.&lt;p&gt;5. Try to install VMWare Tools.  CD tray&apos;s locked.  Guess I have to do a full install first.&lt;p&gt;6. Do the install (defaults everywhere).&lt;p&gt;7. Reboot into system.  GNOME 3 won&apos;t work, of course.&lt;p&gt;8. Click &quot;Install VMWare Tools&quot;.  A window pops up with a tar.gz.  That&apos;s silly, okay, extract it, see a folder with a perl script called &quot;something install something&quot;.&lt;p&gt;9. Open a terminal, sudo perl whatever-installer.pl.&lt;p&gt;10. Hit enter a bunch of times.  I have to run some config script, would I like it launched for me?  Sure.&lt;p&gt;11. Can&apos;t install, I need make and gcc.  WTF?&lt;p&gt;12. sudo yum install make gcc.  Nope, the package manager&apos;s locked.&lt;p&gt;13. Where&apos;s update manager?  Maybe I can kill it.  Nope, that opened it, ok, 35 updates.  It just got released, what the hell?  Okay don&apos;t do that yet.&lt;p&gt;14. How about Add/Remove Programs?  Hmm, there&apos;s a Programming category.  Click it.  Window goes gray.&lt;p&gt;15. Flip over to a web browser.  Browse for a bit.  Send an email.&lt;p&gt;16. Back to Fedora.  Still gray.&lt;p&gt;17. Close window, delete VM, delete ISO, remove from torrents.  My ratio&apos;s only 18%.  Oh well.&lt;p&gt;18. Write stupid comment on HN.&lt;p&gt;19. Dinner time.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>tdavis</author><text>I, too, am a Productive Member of Society which means two things: I gave back the terrible Macbook my employer provided and seamlessly and painlessly upgraded from Fedora 15 to Fedora 16 earlier today. Here was my experience:&lt;p&gt;1. Run &lt;i&gt;preupgrade&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;2. Reboot&lt;p&gt;3. Load up xmonad without issue&lt;p&gt;4. Ask a couple low-level upgrade-related questions in #fedora; get answers in a couple seconds&lt;p&gt;5. Get back to work&lt;p&gt;I&apos;m really failing to see what point you&apos;re trying to make with your comment, aside from noting that your old version of VMWare Fusion doesn&apos;t play very nicely with this Fedora release and that installing VMWare Tools on Linux is a pain in the ass (something I would never dispute, but then running the real thing absolves you of the need to run a VM).&lt;p&gt;I&apos;m sorry about your experience, but as far as mine is concerned this is another swell Fedora release. Thanks, everybody!</text></comment>
<story><title>Fedora 16 Released</title><url>http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/Release_Notes/index.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>leif</author><text>I am now a Productive Member Of Society, which means two things: I have a macbook air (from my job), and I have little free time.  In the past, seeing a release like this would mean picking the least-used partition on my computer, doing a full install, and using it for a week before deciding what I had before was better, or not doing that.&lt;p&gt;This time around, here was my experience:&lt;p&gt;1. Download the ISO&lt;p&gt;2. Open up VMWare (oh shit, there&apos;s a new version! oh shit, you have to pay again...forget it)&lt;p&gt;3. Make a new VM, boot the ISO&lt;p&gt;4. GNOME 3 won&apos;t work.  Hmm, well I probably need VMWare Tools installed.&lt;p&gt;5. Try to install VMWare Tools.  CD tray&apos;s locked.  Guess I have to do a full install first.&lt;p&gt;6. Do the install (defaults everywhere).&lt;p&gt;7. Reboot into system.  GNOME 3 won&apos;t work, of course.&lt;p&gt;8. Click &quot;Install VMWare Tools&quot;.  A window pops up with a tar.gz.  That&apos;s silly, okay, extract it, see a folder with a perl script called &quot;something install something&quot;.&lt;p&gt;9. Open a terminal, sudo perl whatever-installer.pl.&lt;p&gt;10. Hit enter a bunch of times.  I have to run some config script, would I like it launched for me?  Sure.&lt;p&gt;11. Can&apos;t install, I need make and gcc.  WTF?&lt;p&gt;12. sudo yum install make gcc.  Nope, the package manager&apos;s locked.&lt;p&gt;13. Where&apos;s update manager?  Maybe I can kill it.  Nope, that opened it, ok, 35 updates.  It just got released, what the hell?  Okay don&apos;t do that yet.&lt;p&gt;14. How about Add/Remove Programs?  Hmm, there&apos;s a Programming category.  Click it.  Window goes gray.&lt;p&gt;15. Flip over to a web browser.  Browse for a bit.  Send an email.&lt;p&gt;16. Back to Fedora.  Still gray.&lt;p&gt;17. Close window, delete VM, delete ISO, remove from torrents.  My ratio&apos;s only 18%.  Oh well.&lt;p&gt;18. Write stupid comment on HN.&lt;p&gt;19. Dinner time.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>murrayb</author><text>It does (or should) go to fallback mode however Big Kernel Lock (BKL) was removed on kernels &amp;#62;= 2.6.37 and VMWare Tools won&apos;t install so your joy would have been short lived. I Googled around and tried a couple of patches but none of them gave me any joy. Apparently you can downrev your kernel and get it to work but that seems counter productive. So for the time being I am stuck with Fedora 14 (which is end of lifed in December).&lt;p&gt;The issue has existed for some time and was one of the reasons my trial of Fedora 15 was short lived (Gnome 3 and no Dropbox being the others) but I thought VMWare would have fixed it by now...</text></comment>