<story><title>My daughter (7 years old) used HTML to make a website</title><url>https://naya.lol</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>recursive</author><text>Tables aren&amp;#x27;t even deprecated.  IMO you&amp;#x27;re better off keeping the tables than transforming it into &amp;lt;div&amp;gt; soup.  20 years ago you&amp;#x27;d hear it shouted from the rooftops: &amp;quot;Tables for layout are not semantic!&amp;quot;.  Guess what?  &amp;lt;div&amp;gt;s are never semantic.  Just use tables if it suits you.</text></item><item><author>freedomben</author><text>I know you&amp;#x27;re not entirely serious, but we really had it good and largely figured out with tables.  It&amp;#x27;s probably because using tables for layouts was my native language, but I still sometimes have to mentally translate divs into a table in my mind to picture what is happening, and when default types are change (like block to inline, etc) it sometimes breaks my brain and I have to fallback to experimentation to get what I want.  Slight disclaimer though:  I&amp;#x27;m a backend&amp;#x2F;infra guy so don&amp;#x27;t do frontend very often.</text></item><item><author>cronin101</author><text>Kids these days don’t know how easy they have it with flexbox!</text></item><item><author>isoprophlex</author><text>Totally agree with you. Not a front end dev myself, and I have multiple variations of &amp;quot;how do i center a div&amp;quot; in my search history, haha. With varying degrees of angry expletives added to the query.</text></item><item><author>nathell</author><text>&lt;p&gt;&lt;pre&gt;&lt;code&gt;    &amp;lt;body background=&amp;quot;animals.jpg&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
        &amp;lt;center&amp;gt;
&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
Exactly as I would do it if I were a 7yo. Speak what you will about the virtues of CSS and semantic markup, these things get in the way of having fun. And can be learned later.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>Terretta</author><text>&amp;gt; &lt;i&gt;Tables aren&amp;#x27;t even deprecated. IMO you&amp;#x27;re better off keeping the tables than transforming it into &amp;lt;div&amp;gt; soup.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;I wonder if any notable sites still use tables even for complicated things such as, say, nested comment threads?</text></comment>
<story><title>My daughter (7 years old) used HTML to make a website</title><url>https://naya.lol</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>recursive</author><text>Tables aren&amp;#x27;t even deprecated.  IMO you&amp;#x27;re better off keeping the tables than transforming it into &amp;lt;div&amp;gt; soup.  20 years ago you&amp;#x27;d hear it shouted from the rooftops: &amp;quot;Tables for layout are not semantic!&amp;quot;.  Guess what?  &amp;lt;div&amp;gt;s are never semantic.  Just use tables if it suits you.</text></item><item><author>freedomben</author><text>I know you&amp;#x27;re not entirely serious, but we really had it good and largely figured out with tables.  It&amp;#x27;s probably because using tables for layouts was my native language, but I still sometimes have to mentally translate divs into a table in my mind to picture what is happening, and when default types are change (like block to inline, etc) it sometimes breaks my brain and I have to fallback to experimentation to get what I want.  Slight disclaimer though:  I&amp;#x27;m a backend&amp;#x2F;infra guy so don&amp;#x27;t do frontend very often.</text></item><item><author>cronin101</author><text>Kids these days don’t know how easy they have it with flexbox!</text></item><item><author>isoprophlex</author><text>Totally agree with you. Not a front end dev myself, and I have multiple variations of &amp;quot;how do i center a div&amp;quot; in my search history, haha. With varying degrees of angry expletives added to the query.</text></item><item><author>nathell</author><text>&lt;p&gt;&lt;pre&gt;&lt;code&gt;    &amp;lt;body background=&amp;quot;animals.jpg&amp;quot;&amp;gt;
        &amp;lt;center&amp;gt;
&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
Exactly as I would do it if I were a 7yo. Speak what you will about the virtues of CSS and semantic markup, these things get in the way of having fun. And can be learned later.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>peebeebee</author><text>Counterpoint: no semantics is better than wrong semantics. If a screenreader thinks your layout is a (data)table, it makes your visually impaired users sad.</text></comment>