<story><title>The deceptive PR behind Apple’s “expanded protections for children”</title><url>https://piotr.is/2021/08/12/apple-csam/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>fossuser</author><text>They have a podcast together called Dithering which is pretty good (but not free) - they&amp;#x27;re friends.&lt;p&gt;I think John&amp;#x27;s article is better than Ben&amp;#x27;s, but they&amp;#x27;re both worth reading.&lt;p&gt;Ben takes the view that unencrypted cloud is the better tradeoff - I&amp;#x27;m not sure I agree. I&amp;#x27;d rather have my stuff e2ee in the cloud. If the legal requirements around CSAM are the blocker then Apple&amp;#x27;s approach may be a way to thread the needle to get the best of both worlds.</text></item><item><author>samename</author><text>John Gruber is biased because his brand is closely tied to Apple’s brand. Ben Thompson wrote a better review on the topic:
&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;stratechery.com&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;apples-mistake&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;stratechery.com&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;apples-mistake&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;There’s also the Op-Ed by Matthew Green and Alex Stamos, cyber security researchers:
&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.nytimes.com&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;08&amp;#x2F;11&amp;#x2F;opinion&amp;#x2F;apple-iphones-privacy.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.nytimes.com&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;08&amp;#x2F;11&amp;#x2F;opinion&amp;#x2F;apple-iphones-pri...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>fossuser</author><text>It&amp;#x27;s worth reading this, which is basically the only good reporting I&amp;#x27;ve seen on this topic: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;daringfireball.net&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;08&amp;#x2F;apple_child_safety_initiatives_slippery_slope&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;daringfireball.net&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;08&amp;#x2F;apple_child_safety_initia...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;There are legitimate things to be concerned about, but 99% of internet discussion on this topic is junk.</text></item><item><author>querez</author><text>I have a newborn at home, and like every other parent, we take thousands of pictures and videos of our newest family member. We took pictures of the very first baby-bath. So now I have pictures of a naked baby on my phone. Does that mean that pictures of my newborn baby will be uploaded to Apple for further analysis, potentially stored for indefinite time, shared with law enforcement?</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>sa1</author><text>For me it&amp;#x27;s the worst of both worlds - e2ee has no meaning if the ends are permanently compromised - and there&amp;#x27;s no local vs cloud separation anymore which you can use to delineate what is under your own control - nothing&amp;#x27;s under your control.</text></comment>
<story><title>The deceptive PR behind Apple’s “expanded protections for children”</title><url>https://piotr.is/2021/08/12/apple-csam/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>fossuser</author><text>They have a podcast together called Dithering which is pretty good (but not free) - they&amp;#x27;re friends.&lt;p&gt;I think John&amp;#x27;s article is better than Ben&amp;#x27;s, but they&amp;#x27;re both worth reading.&lt;p&gt;Ben takes the view that unencrypted cloud is the better tradeoff - I&amp;#x27;m not sure I agree. I&amp;#x27;d rather have my stuff e2ee in the cloud. If the legal requirements around CSAM are the blocker then Apple&amp;#x27;s approach may be a way to thread the needle to get the best of both worlds.</text></item><item><author>samename</author><text>John Gruber is biased because his brand is closely tied to Apple’s brand. Ben Thompson wrote a better review on the topic:
&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;stratechery.com&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;apples-mistake&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;stratechery.com&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;apples-mistake&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;There’s also the Op-Ed by Matthew Green and Alex Stamos, cyber security researchers:
&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.nytimes.com&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;08&amp;#x2F;11&amp;#x2F;opinion&amp;#x2F;apple-iphones-privacy.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.nytimes.com&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;08&amp;#x2F;11&amp;#x2F;opinion&amp;#x2F;apple-iphones-pri...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>fossuser</author><text>It&amp;#x27;s worth reading this, which is basically the only good reporting I&amp;#x27;ve seen on this topic: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;daringfireball.net&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;08&amp;#x2F;apple_child_safety_initiatives_slippery_slope&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;daringfireball.net&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;08&amp;#x2F;apple_child_safety_initia...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;There are legitimate things to be concerned about, but 99% of internet discussion on this topic is junk.</text></item><item><author>querez</author><text>I have a newborn at home, and like every other parent, we take thousands of pictures and videos of our newest family member. We took pictures of the very first baby-bath. So now I have pictures of a naked baby on my phone. Does that mean that pictures of my newborn baby will be uploaded to Apple for further analysis, potentially stored for indefinite time, shared with law enforcement?</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>AlexandrB</author><text>One logical conclusion of systems like this is that modifying your device in any &amp;quot;unauthorized&amp;quot; way becomes suspicious because you might be trying to evade CSAM detection. So much for jail-breaking and right to repair!&lt;p&gt;I think I&amp;#x27;d rather have the non-e2ee cloud.</text></comment>