<story><title>Mozilla has defeated Microsoft’s default browser protections in Windows</title><url>https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/13/22671182/mozilla-default-browser-windows-protections-firefox</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>bayindirh</author><text>I was also kinda liked &lt;i&gt;The New Microsoft&lt;/i&gt; and prepared to put my anger towards them to the side (I remember the ACPI memo days). Also, as a grown-up computer user, I got appropriate number of licenses (for every Microsoft application we use) for my family and personal computers.&lt;p&gt;However, the latest GitHub Copilot stuff, their agreement with OpenAI, return of their embrace, extend, extinguish tactics with GitHub, VSCode and other stuff undone everything.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s their DNA now. All Microsoft Empire is built with crushing monopoly as their core value and driving force. Changing this requires more than changing a mere CEO and posting a &amp;quot;We Love Linux&amp;quot; banner.&lt;p&gt;The only really good thing they do is hardware.&lt;p&gt;Posted from my Debian 11 box using Microsoft Keyboard.</text></item><item><author>2OEH8eoCRo0</author><text>&amp;gt; Did they learn nothing from the antitrust cases of the 2000&amp;#x27;s&lt;p&gt;They learned for awhile- until the rest of the industry caught up.&lt;p&gt;This might sound weird but I&amp;#x27;ve actually been rooting for Microsoft a lot lately. A majority of their revenue is not from ads and lock-in BS and they weren&amp;#x27;t called in front of Congress recently over antitrust concerns. I was hoping they would set themselves apart from the pack in an odd way by making good software and hardware products that people enjoy using. (xbox, windows, office, WSL, VSCode, Visual Studio, hololens, phones, laptops, Halo on Steam, etc.)&lt;p&gt;Seeing the new browser war and direction Windows 11 is headed, now has me worried. The widgets pane is obviously for serving ads.&lt;p&gt;I understand that these public companies are required to act in the best interests of shareholders but I fear that the obsessive push for revenue gains only benefits short term shareholders. Long term shareholders get the shaft when every decision is aimed at squeezing revenue just for the next quarter.&lt;p&gt;Edit: I&amp;#x27;m not a Microsoft&amp;#x2F;Windows-Stan either, I&amp;#x27;ve been using Linux intermittently since 2006-ish and now daily drive Fedora as my main.</text></item><item><author>_fat_santa</author><text>As I was reading this article I kept thinking to myself &amp;quot;Microsoft is going to boot Firefox from Windows&amp;quot; before realizing that MS doesn&amp;#x27;t have that sort of power (compared to say Apple).&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s really interesting how MS will approach this. Unlike Apple, MS doesn&amp;#x27;t have direct control over which apps go on the operating system, they aren&amp;#x27;t even in a position like Google where their app store is the dominant platform for getting apps.&lt;p&gt;This will be interesting, interesting to see how MS responds. Will they give in and let users easily set their default browser or will this turn into a cat and mouse game.&lt;p&gt;Lastly I think what MS is doing with the default browser is foolish. Did they learn nothing from the antitrust cases of the 2000&amp;#x27;s</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>ReactiveJelly</author><text>The existence of company DNA is a marketing fib.&lt;p&gt;Every company aspires to be big enough to integrate the entire stack and kick out all their competition. Only a few manage to do it.&lt;p&gt;There was never a new Microsoft. There was only Microsoft when they admitted they didn&amp;#x27;t have a stranglehold monopoly on PCs anymore.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s as basic a strategy as anything you&amp;#x27;d find in Art of War: When you&amp;#x27;re #2, cooperate with #3 to take down #1. When you&amp;#x27;re #1, pull up the ladder so #2 and #3 can&amp;#x27;t use it.</text></comment>
<story><title>Mozilla has defeated Microsoft’s default browser protections in Windows</title><url>https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/13/22671182/mozilla-default-browser-windows-protections-firefox</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>bayindirh</author><text>I was also kinda liked &lt;i&gt;The New Microsoft&lt;/i&gt; and prepared to put my anger towards them to the side (I remember the ACPI memo days). Also, as a grown-up computer user, I got appropriate number of licenses (for every Microsoft application we use) for my family and personal computers.&lt;p&gt;However, the latest GitHub Copilot stuff, their agreement with OpenAI, return of their embrace, extend, extinguish tactics with GitHub, VSCode and other stuff undone everything.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s their DNA now. All Microsoft Empire is built with crushing monopoly as their core value and driving force. Changing this requires more than changing a mere CEO and posting a &amp;quot;We Love Linux&amp;quot; banner.&lt;p&gt;The only really good thing they do is hardware.&lt;p&gt;Posted from my Debian 11 box using Microsoft Keyboard.</text></item><item><author>2OEH8eoCRo0</author><text>&amp;gt; Did they learn nothing from the antitrust cases of the 2000&amp;#x27;s&lt;p&gt;They learned for awhile- until the rest of the industry caught up.&lt;p&gt;This might sound weird but I&amp;#x27;ve actually been rooting for Microsoft a lot lately. A majority of their revenue is not from ads and lock-in BS and they weren&amp;#x27;t called in front of Congress recently over antitrust concerns. I was hoping they would set themselves apart from the pack in an odd way by making good software and hardware products that people enjoy using. (xbox, windows, office, WSL, VSCode, Visual Studio, hololens, phones, laptops, Halo on Steam, etc.)&lt;p&gt;Seeing the new browser war and direction Windows 11 is headed, now has me worried. The widgets pane is obviously for serving ads.&lt;p&gt;I understand that these public companies are required to act in the best interests of shareholders but I fear that the obsessive push for revenue gains only benefits short term shareholders. Long term shareholders get the shaft when every decision is aimed at squeezing revenue just for the next quarter.&lt;p&gt;Edit: I&amp;#x27;m not a Microsoft&amp;#x2F;Windows-Stan either, I&amp;#x27;ve been using Linux intermittently since 2006-ish and now daily drive Fedora as my main.</text></item><item><author>_fat_santa</author><text>As I was reading this article I kept thinking to myself &amp;quot;Microsoft is going to boot Firefox from Windows&amp;quot; before realizing that MS doesn&amp;#x27;t have that sort of power (compared to say Apple).&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s really interesting how MS will approach this. Unlike Apple, MS doesn&amp;#x27;t have direct control over which apps go on the operating system, they aren&amp;#x27;t even in a position like Google where their app store is the dominant platform for getting apps.&lt;p&gt;This will be interesting, interesting to see how MS responds. Will they give in and let users easily set their default browser or will this turn into a cat and mouse game.&lt;p&gt;Lastly I think what MS is doing with the default browser is foolish. Did they learn nothing from the antitrust cases of the 2000&amp;#x27;s</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>flatiron</author><text>I recently left Apple and my new company gave me a choice of windows or macOS as my device and I chose windows. I’m not really sure why. But I do have to say after not using windows for 10+ years it’s come a long way. Wsl simply is amazing. Vscode works perfectly with it. The office apps are leaps and bounds better than there macOS counterparts. I certainly have never been a MS lover but I think they are much better now than their 90s reputation.</text></comment>