<story><title>Alexis Ohanian vs NBC - Debating SOPA</title><url>http://upwithchrishayes.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/15/10161056-debating-sopa</url><text></text></story><parent_chain><item><author>inmygarage</author><text>A summary for those who don&apos;t have 18 minutes:&lt;p&gt;1.  Excellent introduction and overview of the debate by Chris Hayes&lt;p&gt;2.  NBC General Counsel makes three interesting (cringe-worthy) points:&lt;p&gt;-jobs&lt;p&gt;-this only applies to international sites&lt;p&gt;-the internet is a lawless place&lt;p&gt;3.  He is mostly shot down by Hayes who said if it really only applied to international rogue sites then people wouldn&apos;t be making such a big deal about it&lt;p&gt;4.  Alexis makes the points:&lt;p&gt;-the problem of piracy will best be solved by innovation, not legislation&lt;p&gt;-the internet is not a &quot;lawless&quot; place and the DMCA is effective&lt;p&gt;-&quot;piracy is a service problem&quot; ie, if you provide better access to information you will win&lt;p&gt;5.  Random other dude chimes in and says the government did a massive study and can&apos;t conclusively say that piracy is killing jobs &lt;i&gt;at all&lt;/i&gt;... the entertainment industry is actually growing&lt;p&gt;6.  NBC GC talks a little bit more, mostly being hysterical about how piracy is rampant and terrible.&lt;p&gt;Great job Alexis!!</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>kn0thing</author><text>Thanks for the recap and all the comments below; I&apos;m doing a heavy post-mortem on this.&lt;p&gt;I really didn&apos;t expect him to so adamantly lie like that.  And then to first be called out by Chris about it and boldly say &quot;Chris, seriously, that is wrong&quot; and then declare that we&apos;re making it up -- that takes stones.&lt;p&gt;I&apos;d really love to know what the best way to confront this in such a format (my first time doing live TV debate).&lt;p&gt;Is it:&lt;p&gt;&quot;No, you&apos;re wrong. Anti-circumvention provisions affect US sites, US sites with foreign domain names (like .it) are affected, and US companies who would have to remove links from search results are all examples of how you&apos;re wrong.&quot;&lt;p&gt;I worry I&apos;ve lost the average TV viewer by the second sentence.&lt;p&gt;And then there&apos;s dealing with someone interrupting you... I&apos;m curious to see what the HN community thinks about optimally handling that one.</text></comment>
<story><title>Alexis Ohanian vs NBC - Debating SOPA</title><url>http://upwithchrishayes.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/15/10161056-debating-sopa</url><text></text></story><parent_chain><item><author>inmygarage</author><text>A summary for those who don&apos;t have 18 minutes:&lt;p&gt;1.  Excellent introduction and overview of the debate by Chris Hayes&lt;p&gt;2.  NBC General Counsel makes three interesting (cringe-worthy) points:&lt;p&gt;-jobs&lt;p&gt;-this only applies to international sites&lt;p&gt;-the internet is a lawless place&lt;p&gt;3.  He is mostly shot down by Hayes who said if it really only applied to international rogue sites then people wouldn&apos;t be making such a big deal about it&lt;p&gt;4.  Alexis makes the points:&lt;p&gt;-the problem of piracy will best be solved by innovation, not legislation&lt;p&gt;-the internet is not a &quot;lawless&quot; place and the DMCA is effective&lt;p&gt;-&quot;piracy is a service problem&quot; ie, if you provide better access to information you will win&lt;p&gt;5.  Random other dude chimes in and says the government did a massive study and can&apos;t conclusively say that piracy is killing jobs &lt;i&gt;at all&lt;/i&gt;... the entertainment industry is actually growing&lt;p&gt;6.  NBC GC talks a little bit more, mostly being hysterical about how piracy is rampant and terrible.&lt;p&gt;Great job Alexis!!</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>flatline</author><text>&amp;#62; the DMCA is effective&lt;p&gt;I love this: keep pushing things further out of whack and all of a sudden the previous onerous policies start looking pretty good.  The DMCA takedown provisions do give the little guy some power to defend copyright without going to federal court, but there is little recourse when abuse occurs and many of the other provisions of the act were a pure profit taking by industry giants.</text></comment>