<story><title>Insecure vehicles should be banned, not security tools like the Flipper Zero</title><url>https://saveflipper.ca/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>alexb_</author><text>[flagged]</text></item><item><author>creaturemachine</author><text>Tik-Tok-inspired Kia thefts weren&amp;#x27;t a problem in Canada because they&amp;#x27;ve required immobilizers since 2007, something Kia skimped on for the US market.</text></item><item><author>fargle</author><text>stupid on stupid.&lt;p&gt;- it&amp;#x27;s incredibly stupid to ban the flipper zero because it&amp;#x27;s factually not even part of the problem&lt;p&gt;- but it&amp;#x27;s equally stupid to &amp;quot;ban insecure vehicles&amp;quot;. if kia makes a cheap car with crappy locks either don&amp;#x27;t buy it (because maybe insurance) or &lt;i&gt;add and aftermarket immobilizer&lt;/i&gt; or a steering wheel lock. if it was really negligent of  kia to &amp;quot;save a couple bucks&amp;quot;, then it&amp;#x27;s equally negligent on you for not spending a couple bucks.&lt;p&gt;- i also cringe at the idea that we throw the word negligent around when talking about failing to prevent other peoples crimes. i&amp;#x27;m not negligent for not doing &lt;i&gt;enough&lt;/i&gt; to prevent the crimes of some other asshole. nor is kia. meanwhile, there&amp;#x27;s sibling threads here that point out that the us is far to hard on the criminals. so wait - kia and me and other law abiding entities are &amp;quot;negligent&amp;quot;, but the asshole who stole the car deserves compasion, etc.?&lt;p&gt;- it&amp;#x27;s stupid-on-stupid-on-stupid to sit here discussing the problem of car thefts, caused by lack of enforcement of the existing laws against it, and the proposed solutions is making more things illegal (and arguing about which things).</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>franga2000</author><text>The manufacturer is not the victim here, the buyer is. If I pay a contractor to install a new door and lock on my apartment and it turns out they did a terrible job which made it trivial for a thief to break in, the contractor should be liable.&lt;p&gt;Crime exists, this is the world we live in. Failing to implement even the most basic security measure, which is considered industry standard, in a high-value product that is known to be very attractive to thieves and then selling that product to consumers with no warning that &amp;quot;unlike most other cars on the market, which have many layers of security features, this car can be stolen using a cheap toy&amp;quot; makes the inevitable thefts absolutely Kia&amp;#x27;s fault.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s not like people are saying the thieves did nothing wrong, both sides are at fault: the thieves stole people&amp;#x27;s cars to enrich themselves and Kia secretly omitted a basic security feature which in turn enabled thousands of fully predictable and preventable thefts from their customers, again, to enrich themselves.</text></comment>
<story><title>Insecure vehicles should be banned, not security tools like the Flipper Zero</title><url>https://saveflipper.ca/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>alexb_</author><text>[flagged]</text></item><item><author>creaturemachine</author><text>Tik-Tok-inspired Kia thefts weren&amp;#x27;t a problem in Canada because they&amp;#x27;ve required immobilizers since 2007, something Kia skimped on for the US market.</text></item><item><author>fargle</author><text>stupid on stupid.&lt;p&gt;- it&amp;#x27;s incredibly stupid to ban the flipper zero because it&amp;#x27;s factually not even part of the problem&lt;p&gt;- but it&amp;#x27;s equally stupid to &amp;quot;ban insecure vehicles&amp;quot;. if kia makes a cheap car with crappy locks either don&amp;#x27;t buy it (because maybe insurance) or &lt;i&gt;add and aftermarket immobilizer&lt;/i&gt; or a steering wheel lock. if it was really negligent of  kia to &amp;quot;save a couple bucks&amp;quot;, then it&amp;#x27;s equally negligent on you for not spending a couple bucks.&lt;p&gt;- i also cringe at the idea that we throw the word negligent around when talking about failing to prevent other peoples crimes. i&amp;#x27;m not negligent for not doing &lt;i&gt;enough&lt;/i&gt; to prevent the crimes of some other asshole. nor is kia. meanwhile, there&amp;#x27;s sibling threads here that point out that the us is far to hard on the criminals. so wait - kia and me and other law abiding entities are &amp;quot;negligent&amp;quot;, but the asshole who stole the car deserves compasion, etc.?&lt;p&gt;- it&amp;#x27;s stupid-on-stupid-on-stupid to sit here discussing the problem of car thefts, caused by lack of enforcement of the existing laws against it, and the proposed solutions is making more things illegal (and arguing about which things).</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>deepsun</author><text>Just use &amp;quot;passw0rd&amp;quot; everywhere. It&amp;#x27;s the fault of a hacker who steals your account, not your fault. Every single time.&lt;p&gt;Especially that no security is absolute. Effort matters.</text></comment>