<story><title>Zoom Acquires Keybase</title><url>https://keybase.io/blog/keybase-joins-zoom</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>ithkuil</author><text>why not look at the problem the other way around?&lt;p&gt;I don&amp;#x27;t have much respect for zoom&amp;#x27;s security practices, while I do have much respect for the keybase team.&lt;p&gt;Perhaps this is Zoom&amp;#x27;s way of admitting that there is no way they can just solve the problem internally by keeping doing what they&amp;#x27;re doing and they need to get some fresh blood and build upon good practices designed outside their current culture.</text></item><item><author>Communitivity</author><text>Given the security concerns around Zoom, and the apparent lack of QC that might have prevented those concerns, this news is appalling.  I love Keybase, it&amp;#x27;s used by many people, but I suspect it will now die a quick death. More accurately I suspect it will slide into a coma - not quite dead, but not in wide use anymore either.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>munificent</author><text>&lt;i&gt;&amp;gt; why not look at the problem the other way around?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;Because no one ever buys or hires a conscience. If you thought a conscience was worth having one, that implies you would already have one and thus wouldn&amp;#x27;t need to outsource it in the first place.&lt;p&gt;Ethics always rolls downhill. If Al Capone goes out and hires Mr. Rogers, the power imbalance between them means Mr. Rogers is going to get dirtier than Capone will get clean.</text></comment>
<story><title>Zoom Acquires Keybase</title><url>https://keybase.io/blog/keybase-joins-zoom</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>ithkuil</author><text>why not look at the problem the other way around?&lt;p&gt;I don&amp;#x27;t have much respect for zoom&amp;#x27;s security practices, while I do have much respect for the keybase team.&lt;p&gt;Perhaps this is Zoom&amp;#x27;s way of admitting that there is no way they can just solve the problem internally by keeping doing what they&amp;#x27;re doing and they need to get some fresh blood and build upon good practices designed outside their current culture.</text></item><item><author>Communitivity</author><text>Given the security concerns around Zoom, and the apparent lack of QC that might have prevented those concerns, this news is appalling.  I love Keybase, it&amp;#x27;s used by many people, but I suspect it will now die a quick death. More accurately I suspect it will slide into a coma - not quite dead, but not in wide use anymore either.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>fossuser</author><text>I actually love Zoom as a product - far and away the best product in its class and this move likely makes sense for Zoom.&lt;p&gt;The disappointment comes from the loss of Keybase and what it could have been.&lt;p&gt;The main problem is Zoom having most of its development done via companies based in China. This means it is no longer possible for Keybase to achieve its original goal (and whatever encryption they add cannot fix this core problem).&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s one thing to accept the risk for video conferencing, but it&amp;#x27;s another to accept for an encryption ID standard.&lt;p&gt;I agreed with Chris Coyne&amp;#x27;s comments on HN a while back when he argued that the closed source server code didn&amp;#x27;t matter because of how they handled the encryption (when compared to Signal). While that&amp;#x27;s still true from a technical security standpoint, it looks like it does matter in a larger sense because this kind of sale shows that you can&amp;#x27;t really trust a company to act in its user&amp;#x27;s interests long-term.</text></comment>