<story><title>Google’s 4k-Word Privacy Policy Is a History of the Internet</title><url>https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/07/10/opinion/google-privacy-policy.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>smnrchrds</author><text>There is a separation between NYT the corporation and the editorial staff. Just a couple of weeks ago, there was an article in NYT complaining about CCTVs installed in NYT office [0]. Should we now dismiss every article in NYT complaining about surveillance (especially workplace surveillance) as hypocritical and ironic, because if NYT thinks surveillance is bad, why do they do it themselves?&lt;p&gt;Newspapers like NYT are one of the few institutions where workers enjoy a level of freedom from management in doing their work. The other example is tenured professors. We should celebrate this, not mock it.&lt;p&gt;[0] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.nytimes.com&amp;#x2F;2019&amp;#x2F;06&amp;#x2F;01&amp;#x2F;opinion&amp;#x2F;surveillance-cameras-work.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.nytimes.com&amp;#x2F;2019&amp;#x2F;06&amp;#x2F;01&amp;#x2F;opinion&amp;#x2F;surveillance-came...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>jsnell</author><text>The NYT privacy policy [0] is 5.2K words. It contains basically everything that they&amp;#x27;re criticizing Google for. And a bit more. Apparently NYT will by default sell (sorry, &amp;quot;rent&amp;quot;) your name and postal address to direct mail advertisers.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; [If you use technology, someone is using your information. We’ll tell you how — and what you can do about it. Sign up for our limited-run newsletter.]&lt;p&gt;Uh-huh. If there&amp;#x27;s even a trace of irony in that writing, I can&amp;#x27;t spot it.&lt;p&gt;[0] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;help.nytimes.com&amp;#x2F;hc&amp;#x2F;en-us&amp;#x2F;articles&amp;#x2F;115014892108-Privacy-policy?module=inline&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;help.nytimes.com&amp;#x2F;hc&amp;#x2F;en-us&amp;#x2F;articles&amp;#x2F;115014892108-Priv...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>btrettel</author><text>&amp;gt; Newspapers like NYT are one of the few institutions where workers enjoy a level of freedom from management in doing their work. The other example is tenured professors.&lt;p&gt;PhD student here. I think the impression that tenured professors have freedom from management is an illusion at best. As far as I can tell, getting a PhD, getting hired as a professor, and getting tenure seem to filter out people who would challenge the system. It&amp;#x27;s easy for a university to say that their tenured faculty are free to do whatever they want if they select and cultivate people who won&amp;#x27;t take them up on that offer. (Now that I write this, I&amp;#x27;m reminded of web hosting companies that offer unlimited storage or bandwidth but get irritated if you actually use a lot of storage or bandwidth.)&lt;p&gt;Personally, I&amp;#x27;m leaning towards the conclusions of the financial independence&amp;#x2F;early retirement community: real freedom comes when you have &amp;quot;FU money&amp;quot;. Money is the unit of freedom in the US.</text></comment>
<story><title>Google’s 4k-Word Privacy Policy Is a History of the Internet</title><url>https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/07/10/opinion/google-privacy-policy.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>smnrchrds</author><text>There is a separation between NYT the corporation and the editorial staff. Just a couple of weeks ago, there was an article in NYT complaining about CCTVs installed in NYT office [0]. Should we now dismiss every article in NYT complaining about surveillance (especially workplace surveillance) as hypocritical and ironic, because if NYT thinks surveillance is bad, why do they do it themselves?&lt;p&gt;Newspapers like NYT are one of the few institutions where workers enjoy a level of freedom from management in doing their work. The other example is tenured professors. We should celebrate this, not mock it.&lt;p&gt;[0] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.nytimes.com&amp;#x2F;2019&amp;#x2F;06&amp;#x2F;01&amp;#x2F;opinion&amp;#x2F;surveillance-cameras-work.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.nytimes.com&amp;#x2F;2019&amp;#x2F;06&amp;#x2F;01&amp;#x2F;opinion&amp;#x2F;surveillance-came...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>jsnell</author><text>The NYT privacy policy [0] is 5.2K words. It contains basically everything that they&amp;#x27;re criticizing Google for. And a bit more. Apparently NYT will by default sell (sorry, &amp;quot;rent&amp;quot;) your name and postal address to direct mail advertisers.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; [If you use technology, someone is using your information. We’ll tell you how — and what you can do about it. Sign up for our limited-run newsletter.]&lt;p&gt;Uh-huh. If there&amp;#x27;s even a trace of irony in that writing, I can&amp;#x27;t spot it.&lt;p&gt;[0] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;help.nytimes.com&amp;#x2F;hc&amp;#x2F;en-us&amp;#x2F;articles&amp;#x2F;115014892108-Privacy-policy?module=inline&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;help.nytimes.com&amp;#x2F;hc&amp;#x2F;en-us&amp;#x2F;articles&amp;#x2F;115014892108-Priv...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>icxa</author><text>&amp;gt; We should celebrate this, not mock it.&lt;p&gt;I don&amp;#x27;t know what dystopian world you want to live in, but any time I see a company profit off sheer hypocrisy, I am going to call it out and mock it. They can have freedom all they want, but this article is generating clicks and revenues for Parent Corp, so they deserve the scrutiny.  This isn&amp;#x27;t some public service they are providing.</text></comment>