<story><title>San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge</title><url>https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/21/us/san-francisco-shoplifting-epidemic.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>tayo42</author><text>Don&amp;#x27;t let the doom porn get to you. I lived in bernal for 5 years and never had a problem. Cole valley is right next to haight ashbury which attracts a fair amount characters. There&amp;#x27;s other neighborhoods that aren&amp;#x27;t in the middle of everything. Bernal heights, glen park, noe valley, pacific heights, the richmond and the sunset will be a little less crazy.&lt;p&gt;I think any American city will have some culture shock compared to Japan or Singapore. Just don&amp;#x27;t leave stuff out in the open, lock your stuff and maybe don&amp;#x27;t drive a prius, people like to steal the catalytic converters.</text></item><item><author>greggman3</author><text>I&amp;#x27;m planning to move to SF for a job. A friend told me to sign up for a neighborhood facebook group to one of the nicer neighborhoods in SF, Cole Valley, because I might see a message about a good place to rent. Cole Valley is a small neighborhood on the south east corner of Golden Gate Park.&lt;p&gt;In the 3 weeks I&amp;#x27;ve been on the list 5 cars have had their windows busted and things stolen, 2 garages have been broken into and things stolen. 2 garages have had their doors damaged from attempted break-ins costing the owners hundreds to get fixed. There&amp;#x27;s been videos of people staking out places to rob (people walking from house to house inspecting garage door locks and trying to peak inside the garages). And ~10 or so posts about various other thefts or results of thefts.&lt;p&gt;This sounds more like one of those lawless 3rd world countries than a major city in a first world country. And worse, many people on the list just react as &amp;quot;that&amp;#x27;s life in a big city&amp;quot;, no big deal.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s not, having lived in Tokyo, Kyoto, and Singapore were property crime is extremely low. People get defensive whenever I bring this up, making excuses why crime needs to be high where they live. It doesn&amp;#x27;t.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>aksss</author><text>&amp;gt; Just don&amp;#x27;t leave stuff out in the open, lock your stuff and maybe don&amp;#x27;t drive a prius, people like to steal the catalytic converters.&lt;p&gt;IME this is becoming an increasingly common attitude in many cities besides SF. And it’s a problem of social decay - fear of being considered an asshole by calling some behaviors just unacceptable. Americans are (somewhat ironically) terrified of being perceived as assholes, and we’re letting our social standards erode more and more each decade.&lt;p&gt;We don’t have to relent to this. Expecting to be able to leave something out and it not be stolen is not unreasonable. Expecting not to be assaulted is reasonable. Expecting people to not shoplift is a reasonable expectation in any civilized society.</text></comment>
<story><title>San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge</title><url>https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/21/us/san-francisco-shoplifting-epidemic.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>tayo42</author><text>Don&amp;#x27;t let the doom porn get to you. I lived in bernal for 5 years and never had a problem. Cole valley is right next to haight ashbury which attracts a fair amount characters. There&amp;#x27;s other neighborhoods that aren&amp;#x27;t in the middle of everything. Bernal heights, glen park, noe valley, pacific heights, the richmond and the sunset will be a little less crazy.&lt;p&gt;I think any American city will have some culture shock compared to Japan or Singapore. Just don&amp;#x27;t leave stuff out in the open, lock your stuff and maybe don&amp;#x27;t drive a prius, people like to steal the catalytic converters.</text></item><item><author>greggman3</author><text>I&amp;#x27;m planning to move to SF for a job. A friend told me to sign up for a neighborhood facebook group to one of the nicer neighborhoods in SF, Cole Valley, because I might see a message about a good place to rent. Cole Valley is a small neighborhood on the south east corner of Golden Gate Park.&lt;p&gt;In the 3 weeks I&amp;#x27;ve been on the list 5 cars have had their windows busted and things stolen, 2 garages have been broken into and things stolen. 2 garages have had their doors damaged from attempted break-ins costing the owners hundreds to get fixed. There&amp;#x27;s been videos of people staking out places to rob (people walking from house to house inspecting garage door locks and trying to peak inside the garages). And ~10 or so posts about various other thefts or results of thefts.&lt;p&gt;This sounds more like one of those lawless 3rd world countries than a major city in a first world country. And worse, many people on the list just react as &amp;quot;that&amp;#x27;s life in a big city&amp;quot;, no big deal.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s not, having lived in Tokyo, Kyoto, and Singapore were property crime is extremely low. People get defensive whenever I bring this up, making excuses why crime needs to be high where they live. It doesn&amp;#x27;t.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>busterarm</author><text>I can think of like 5 different cities in Mexico that are safer than SF.  Merida might top the list.&lt;p&gt;Californians should be ashamed but they continuously vote for this shit.</text></comment>