<story><title>VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks</title><url>https://mailman.videolan.org/pipermail/vlc-devel/2015-November/105002.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>crusso</author><text>&lt;i&gt;Significant numbers of non-Islam subscribers hold ideas that are incompatible with an open society too&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;If that&amp;#x27;s your contention then you&amp;#x27;d need to account for the high terrorist attack output of Islamists vs other non-Islam subscribers.</text></item><item><author>jacquesm</author><text>&amp;gt; a significant number of adherents of Islam hold ideas that are incompatible with an open society.&lt;p&gt;Significant numbers of non-Islam subscribers hold ideas that are incompatible with an open society too. All these people have at least one thing in common: they would like to change society to suit their ends.&lt;p&gt;And a very large number of people in my country would happily throw back those fleeing the carnage to become victims of that 40%. Which in my opinion makes them just about as bad.</text></item><item><author>cygx</author><text>Of course it&amp;#x27;s not &amp;quot;all Muslisms&amp;quot;. But those who claim &amp;quot;it&amp;#x27;s only the terrorists&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;it&amp;#x27;s all politics&amp;quot; do not grasp the scope of the problem, ie that globally speaking, a significant number of adherents of Islam hold ideas that are incompatible with an open society.&lt;p&gt;If you naively extrapolate from the 2013 Pew Poll &lt;i&gt;The World’s Muslims: Religion, Politics and Society&lt;/i&gt; (which in principle represents nations with a total Muslim population of about 1 billion), 40% of these think you should be killed for leaving Islam.&lt;p&gt;To me, that&amp;#x27;s a scary number.</text></item><item><author>iamthepieman</author><text>I work with a Muslim and I&amp;#x27;m a Christian. Since we are both very conservative, I actually have more in common with him than with my secular coworkers and friends. Unfortunately we both work remotely and live several hundred miles from each other. I think we could be good friends if we lived closer.&lt;p&gt;One thing I have learned talking with my Muslim coworker is that, just like in Christianity, there are many divisions and sects within the religion. I am Atlantean and go to an Atlantean church. I would not want to be called a Phoenician or Liliputian christian (made up names cause I don&amp;#x27;t want to offend anyone this early in the morning).&lt;p&gt;Just as with anything else, the closer and more involved you are with something the more you see distinctions between different categories of that thing. As a total outsider your categories tend to be large, all encompassing and dominated by the loudest, most visible or most discussed sub category. For most westerners I think that sub category is, unfortunately radicalised Muslims.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;m fortunate that my coworker has given me a different perspective. I never believed all Muslims were radicalised but the true revelation for me was that my Muslim coworker was more like me than most non-muslims. It saddens me to see states in my country rejecting refugees from Syria. They are depriving their residents of potential friends and coworkers, potential spouses, neighbors or playmates that can give them a new perspective and help make their world a little larger and more interesting.&lt;p&gt;Edit: I&amp;#x27;d love to have a discussion with anyone who disagrees with me. (Not really making an argument but whatever) if you&amp;#x27;re down voting at least make a comment please.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>lars</author><text>&amp;gt; the high terrorist attack output of Islamists vs other non-Islam subscribers&lt;p&gt;I wonder if this is really true though. Some statistics:&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.fbi.gov&amp;#x2F;stats-services&amp;#x2F;publications&amp;#x2F;terrorism-2002-2005&amp;#x2F;terror02_05#terror_05sum&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.fbi.gov&amp;#x2F;stats-services&amp;#x2F;publications&amp;#x2F;terrorism-20...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;While Anders Breivik was shooting kids on the island in Norway, the Norwegian media were speculating that it was most likely perpetrated by muslim extremists. Even though we&amp;#x27;ve historically had way more examples of terrorism perpetrated against immigration related targets by right-wing Norwegians (which was the case with Breivik as well).&lt;p&gt;The average Norwegian won&amp;#x27;t remember any of the mosques, immigrant reception centers and immigrant stores that were bombed in Norway in the past. I guess terrorism is quickly forgotten when it isn&amp;#x27;t your own group that is targeted.</text></comment>
<story><title>VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks</title><url>https://mailman.videolan.org/pipermail/vlc-devel/2015-November/105002.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>crusso</author><text>&lt;i&gt;Significant numbers of non-Islam subscribers hold ideas that are incompatible with an open society too&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;If that&amp;#x27;s your contention then you&amp;#x27;d need to account for the high terrorist attack output of Islamists vs other non-Islam subscribers.</text></item><item><author>jacquesm</author><text>&amp;gt; a significant number of adherents of Islam hold ideas that are incompatible with an open society.&lt;p&gt;Significant numbers of non-Islam subscribers hold ideas that are incompatible with an open society too. All these people have at least one thing in common: they would like to change society to suit their ends.&lt;p&gt;And a very large number of people in my country would happily throw back those fleeing the carnage to become victims of that 40%. Which in my opinion makes them just about as bad.</text></item><item><author>cygx</author><text>Of course it&amp;#x27;s not &amp;quot;all Muslisms&amp;quot;. But those who claim &amp;quot;it&amp;#x27;s only the terrorists&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;it&amp;#x27;s all politics&amp;quot; do not grasp the scope of the problem, ie that globally speaking, a significant number of adherents of Islam hold ideas that are incompatible with an open society.&lt;p&gt;If you naively extrapolate from the 2013 Pew Poll &lt;i&gt;The World’s Muslims: Religion, Politics and Society&lt;/i&gt; (which in principle represents nations with a total Muslim population of about 1 billion), 40% of these think you should be killed for leaving Islam.&lt;p&gt;To me, that&amp;#x27;s a scary number.</text></item><item><author>iamthepieman</author><text>I work with a Muslim and I&amp;#x27;m a Christian. Since we are both very conservative, I actually have more in common with him than with my secular coworkers and friends. Unfortunately we both work remotely and live several hundred miles from each other. I think we could be good friends if we lived closer.&lt;p&gt;One thing I have learned talking with my Muslim coworker is that, just like in Christianity, there are many divisions and sects within the religion. I am Atlantean and go to an Atlantean church. I would not want to be called a Phoenician or Liliputian christian (made up names cause I don&amp;#x27;t want to offend anyone this early in the morning).&lt;p&gt;Just as with anything else, the closer and more involved you are with something the more you see distinctions between different categories of that thing. As a total outsider your categories tend to be large, all encompassing and dominated by the loudest, most visible or most discussed sub category. For most westerners I think that sub category is, unfortunately radicalised Muslims.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;m fortunate that my coworker has given me a different perspective. I never believed all Muslims were radicalised but the true revelation for me was that my Muslim coworker was more like me than most non-muslims. It saddens me to see states in my country rejecting refugees from Syria. They are depriving their residents of potential friends and coworkers, potential spouses, neighbors or playmates that can give them a new perspective and help make their world a little larger and more interesting.&lt;p&gt;Edit: I&amp;#x27;d love to have a discussion with anyone who disagrees with me. (Not really making an argument but whatever) if you&amp;#x27;re down voting at least make a comment please.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>DanBC</author><text>US citizens are at greater risk of harm from police officers (who kill about 1,000 people per year) than from Islamist terrorists.&lt;p&gt;US citizens are at greater risk of far right or Christian extremists than they are of Islamist extremists - see the numbers of people injured and killed by various mass shooters or clinic bombings.</text></comment>