<story><title>Google&apos;s stance on neo-Nazis &apos;dangerous&apos;, says EFF</title><url>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-40974069</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>corobo</author><text>While I definitely don&amp;#x27;t support the people they&amp;#x27;re booting off I do have to agree with the EFF here.&lt;p&gt;For example, &amp;quot;And music streaming services offered by Google, Deezer and Spotify have said they would remove music that incites violence, hatred or racism.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;Now these services have put it out there as policy someone has to define what&amp;#x27;s violent, hateful or racist in music. Racism? Ok nobody&amp;#x27;s really going to bat an eye at that disappearing.&lt;p&gt;Violence and hatred though? As an off again on again heavy metal listener.. almost literally every track could be described as violent or hateful. That&amp;#x27;s the genre. The same could be said for other genres  and their sub-genres. Rap comes to mind. Is Eminem next on the chopping board?&lt;p&gt;Music was the easy example, there&amp;#x27;s other examples available for the other services (registrar, DNS, hosting, CDN) as to why making this policy is a bad idea. Now anyone needs to do is convince someone at the corresponding target that a site is similar enough that it should be taken down.&lt;p&gt;South Park had a two-parter that addressed this exact problem [1][2]&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Cartoon_Wars_Part_I&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Cartoon_Wars_Part_I&lt;/a&gt;  
[2] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Cartoon_Wars_Part_II&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Cartoon_Wars_Part_II&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>koolba</author><text>&amp;gt; While I definitely don&amp;#x27;t support the people they&amp;#x27;re booting off...&lt;p&gt;A bit off topic but how many bytes are spent on prefaces like this on responses to this topic?&lt;p&gt;I assume that the &lt;i&gt;vast&lt;/i&gt; majority of people on the planet don&amp;#x27;t support Nazis or anything related. I find it interesting that any discussion of them has to include that line lest the speaker&amp;#x2F;writer be labeled as one (which happens quite a bit anyway but that&amp;#x27;s a different topic).</text></comment>
<story><title>Google&apos;s stance on neo-Nazis &apos;dangerous&apos;, says EFF</title><url>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-40974069</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>corobo</author><text>While I definitely don&amp;#x27;t support the people they&amp;#x27;re booting off I do have to agree with the EFF here.&lt;p&gt;For example, &amp;quot;And music streaming services offered by Google, Deezer and Spotify have said they would remove music that incites violence, hatred or racism.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;Now these services have put it out there as policy someone has to define what&amp;#x27;s violent, hateful or racist in music. Racism? Ok nobody&amp;#x27;s really going to bat an eye at that disappearing.&lt;p&gt;Violence and hatred though? As an off again on again heavy metal listener.. almost literally every track could be described as violent or hateful. That&amp;#x27;s the genre. The same could be said for other genres  and their sub-genres. Rap comes to mind. Is Eminem next on the chopping board?&lt;p&gt;Music was the easy example, there&amp;#x27;s other examples available for the other services (registrar, DNS, hosting, CDN) as to why making this policy is a bad idea. Now anyone needs to do is convince someone at the corresponding target that a site is similar enough that it should be taken down.&lt;p&gt;South Park had a two-parter that addressed this exact problem [1][2]&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Cartoon_Wars_Part_I&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Cartoon_Wars_Part_I&lt;/a&gt;  
[2] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Cartoon_Wars_Part_II&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Cartoon_Wars_Part_II&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>ChrisBland</author><text>Exactly, so do we expect that Google &amp;#x2F; Spotify will remove Chief Keef&amp;#x27;s &amp;quot;Bang Bang&amp;quot;? Lyrics for example: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;genius.com&amp;#x2F;Chief-keef-bang-bang-lyrics&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;genius.com&amp;#x2F;Chief-keef-bang-bang-lyrics&lt;/a&gt; -- If we don&amp;#x27;t remove that for &amp;quot;music that incites violence&amp;quot; then its a scary double standard we are building and we are now at the whim of the &amp;quot;PC Thought Police&amp;quot;
I couldn&amp;#x27;t agree with you more about the Cartoon Wars episode; either it is all fair game or none of it is. I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.</text></comment>