<story><title>Banks and Retailers Are Tracking How You Type, Swipe and Tap</title><url>https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/13/business/behavioral-biometrics-banks-security.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>beat</author><text>I deal with it mostly by asking myself what &amp;quot;privacy&amp;quot; I&amp;#x27;m really concerned about. Let&amp;#x27;s see... I don&amp;#x27;t want anyone actually stealing my money. I don&amp;#x27;t want sensitive security information that can be used to steal my money (ie passwords) falling into unauthorized hands.&lt;p&gt;But my personal history? My photos? Words I&amp;#x27;ve written? Oh well. If someone wants that stuff, they can probably get it. And the gaping maw of robotic commerce doesn&amp;#x27;t actually care about me personally, it only cares what it can sell me.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;m not worried about the police or some authoritarian tyranny on a &lt;i&gt;personal&lt;/i&gt; level, on the level where what I say on the internet matters. I worry about it in an &lt;i&gt;impersonal&lt;/i&gt; way. When the robot overlords are rounding up the granola-munching people of south Minneapolis for extermination, they won&amp;#x27;t be checking our internet history first.</text></item><item><author>lostimpo</author><text>Does anyone else feel a sense of overwhelming futility with respect to internet privacy? I&amp;#x27;m at the point where I feel like I might as well just use all the fancy features and devices, privacy be damned.&lt;p&gt;It feels like it&amp;#x27;s a giant waste of time, even if you go out of your way to use &amp;quot;privacy protecting&amp;quot; expensive devices and software. Use an iPhone or LineageOS! Use Firefox! Don&amp;#x27;t use Google services! Don&amp;#x27;t use iCloud, back up everything to a local NAS! Pay for your email services!&lt;p&gt;It all feels mostly pointless. There&amp;#x27;s always another thing right around the corner. You&amp;#x27;re always defeated and tracked -- this time with &amp;quot;behavioral biometrics.&amp;quot; For the average person, why not just give up? Throw an Amazon Echo in the corner and at least you can control your lights and play Jeopardy.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s totally exhausting.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>andrei_says_</author><text>You quickly moved into hyperbole. You may not be rounded up, “just” unable to get a job, health insurance or car insurance (at viable prices).&lt;p&gt;If you are an activist, you may get arrested for an unrelated crime, like getting stopped after you had a few drinks (because geolocation) or discredited if you are not out as a gay person or for anything else which might garnish your image in any way.&lt;p&gt;Your ability to fly, or your airport experience could be influenced by invisible forces like driving around certain places or writing favorably toward certain policies or religions.&lt;p&gt;If you are a good looking woman you may be creepily stalked and tracked.&lt;p&gt;And let’s not kid ourself about the fact that more and more of this data will be sold and resold until it becomes a commodity available to anyone who is willing to pay a nominal price.&lt;p&gt;Believing in the story that your activity and data don’t matter because you don’t matter is in a way resigning to never become someone who might matter. And this is by design.&lt;p&gt;Privacy matters a huge deal. Especially in an assymetric situation.&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.ted.com&amp;#x2F;talks&amp;#x2F;glenn_greenwald_why_privacy_matters&amp;#x2F;up-next&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.ted.com&amp;#x2F;talks&amp;#x2F;glenn_greenwald_why_privacy_matter...&lt;/a&gt;</text></comment>
<story><title>Banks and Retailers Are Tracking How You Type, Swipe and Tap</title><url>https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/13/business/behavioral-biometrics-banks-security.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>beat</author><text>I deal with it mostly by asking myself what &amp;quot;privacy&amp;quot; I&amp;#x27;m really concerned about. Let&amp;#x27;s see... I don&amp;#x27;t want anyone actually stealing my money. I don&amp;#x27;t want sensitive security information that can be used to steal my money (ie passwords) falling into unauthorized hands.&lt;p&gt;But my personal history? My photos? Words I&amp;#x27;ve written? Oh well. If someone wants that stuff, they can probably get it. And the gaping maw of robotic commerce doesn&amp;#x27;t actually care about me personally, it only cares what it can sell me.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;m not worried about the police or some authoritarian tyranny on a &lt;i&gt;personal&lt;/i&gt; level, on the level where what I say on the internet matters. I worry about it in an &lt;i&gt;impersonal&lt;/i&gt; way. When the robot overlords are rounding up the granola-munching people of south Minneapolis for extermination, they won&amp;#x27;t be checking our internet history first.</text></item><item><author>lostimpo</author><text>Does anyone else feel a sense of overwhelming futility with respect to internet privacy? I&amp;#x27;m at the point where I feel like I might as well just use all the fancy features and devices, privacy be damned.&lt;p&gt;It feels like it&amp;#x27;s a giant waste of time, even if you go out of your way to use &amp;quot;privacy protecting&amp;quot; expensive devices and software. Use an iPhone or LineageOS! Use Firefox! Don&amp;#x27;t use Google services! Don&amp;#x27;t use iCloud, back up everything to a local NAS! Pay for your email services!&lt;p&gt;It all feels mostly pointless. There&amp;#x27;s always another thing right around the corner. You&amp;#x27;re always defeated and tracked -- this time with &amp;quot;behavioral biometrics.&amp;quot; For the average person, why not just give up? Throw an Amazon Echo in the corner and at least you can control your lights and play Jeopardy.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s totally exhausting.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>plurgid</author><text>&amp;gt; But my personal history? My photos? Words I&amp;#x27;ve written? Oh well. If someone wants that stuff, they can probably get it. And the gaping maw of robotic commerce doesn&amp;#x27;t actually care about me personally, it only cares what it can sell me.
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&amp;gt; I&amp;#x27;m not worried about the police or some authoritarian tyranny on a personal level, on the level where what I say on the internet matters.&lt;p&gt;Yeah, but then 2016 happened. 
This sort of &amp;quot;tactical positioning&amp;quot; on internet privacy is where I was prior to that year. The fact of the mater is that &amp;quot;personal threat exposure&amp;quot;, while not completely irrelevant, misses the forest for the trees.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s not YOU they&amp;#x27;re trying to manipulate, it&amp;#x27;s the herd. And it works. And that eventually comes around to impacting you just as personally as if you&amp;#x27;d posted your bank account number and ssn on facebook.</text></comment>