<story><title>CBS Shuts Down Stage 9, a Fan-Made Recreation of the USS Enterprise</title><url>https://torrentfreak.com/cbs-shuts-down-stage-9-a-fan-made-recreation-of-the-uss-enterprise-180927/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>jedberg</author><text>I kinda knew this would come up.  The gun thing was my call.  I&amp;#x27;m the one who approved the use of the logo on a lower receiver.&lt;p&gt;I consider it one of the worst decisions I ever made.&lt;p&gt;Yes, it was legal, but it caused a huge controversy and made the controversy even worse when we had to pull it back.&lt;p&gt;The balancing act with allowing fan art is that one group of fans hates the work of another group of fans, you have to make a moral decision as to which group is &amp;quot;right&amp;quot;, and it&amp;#x27;s always the wrong decision to some people.&lt;p&gt;In that case we should have predicted the controversy and said no from the beginning.</text></item><item><author>unethical_ban</author><text>Politically controversial yet completely legal things, like weapons parts, were not only banned on manufacturing, but as a logo on the subreddit[1]. Meanwhile, a federally illegal, in different ways controversial activity such as marijuana consumption is permitted[2]. It&amp;#x27;s the right of the company, but there is certainly bias in the use of the logo, and not all fans of reddit are welcome.&lt;p&gt;1. &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;imgur.com&amp;#x2F;a&amp;#x2F;bAOhi#tY6JS4l&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;imgur.com&amp;#x2F;a&amp;#x2F;bAOhi#tY6JS4l&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;2. &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;old.reddit.com&amp;#x2F;r&amp;#x2F;trees&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;old.reddit.com&amp;#x2F;r&amp;#x2F;trees&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>jedberg</author><text>Back in the day, early on in Reddit&amp;#x27;s life, people started making fan art of the Reddit alien, and some cases they started making products with their creations and then giving them away.  We pretty much just let that go.  Then someone started selling their products with their fan art, just to make their costs back.  At that point we had a decision to make.  Do we shut down all the fan art, or do we do something about it?&lt;p&gt;The decision we came to was that our fans are what make us, so we asked our lawyers to write up a licensing agreement for us that we could use with all the fans.  It included provisions for profit sharing so that people could even make a profit off their fan art, as long as they cut us in for a small percentage and got our permission first.  And that&amp;#x27;s how we ended up things like a complete reddit bike kit. [0][1]&lt;p&gt;After that, it was easier for us to license stuff than it was to try and shut it down, not to mention the right thing to do.  I&amp;#x27;m sad that CBS couldn&amp;#x27;t come to the same conclusion.&lt;p&gt;[0]  &lt;a href=&quot;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;i.imgur.com&amp;#x2F;AEPJh.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;i.imgur.com&amp;#x2F;AEPJh.jpg&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.reddit.com&amp;#x2F;r&amp;#x2F;bicycling&amp;#x2F;comments&amp;#x2F;2je6z2&amp;#x2F;2015_reddit_kit_start_your_design_engines&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.reddit.com&amp;#x2F;r&amp;#x2F;bicycling&amp;#x2F;comments&amp;#x2F;2je6z2&amp;#x2F;2015_redd...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>unethical_ban</author><text> I respect your willingness to engage in conversation like you have here. I&amp;#x27;m trying to remember there are humans on the other side of the keyboard.&lt;p&gt;I really do think it is questionable to reject a community&amp;#x27;s use of an otherwise almost universally free logo, and permit them on the site.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;m one to recognize that in every discussion about everything, &amp;quot;there is a line somewhere&amp;quot; and the debate is where the line is. My belief is that guns are on a defendable side of the line, and you didn&amp;#x27;t.&lt;p&gt;I believe if firearms are so morally wrong that reddit doesn&amp;#x27;t want associated with it, then it would be most consistent to quarantine the sub to make clear how morally opposed reddit is to legal, responsible firearms ownership. At the end of the day, though, it is about money. You figured out you could piss off the gun owners, but not enough for them to leave the platform, while placating the anti-firearms protesters.&lt;p&gt;So it goes.</text></comment>
<story><title>CBS Shuts Down Stage 9, a Fan-Made Recreation of the USS Enterprise</title><url>https://torrentfreak.com/cbs-shuts-down-stage-9-a-fan-made-recreation-of-the-uss-enterprise-180927/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>jedberg</author><text>I kinda knew this would come up.  The gun thing was my call.  I&amp;#x27;m the one who approved the use of the logo on a lower receiver.&lt;p&gt;I consider it one of the worst decisions I ever made.&lt;p&gt;Yes, it was legal, but it caused a huge controversy and made the controversy even worse when we had to pull it back.&lt;p&gt;The balancing act with allowing fan art is that one group of fans hates the work of another group of fans, you have to make a moral decision as to which group is &amp;quot;right&amp;quot;, and it&amp;#x27;s always the wrong decision to some people.&lt;p&gt;In that case we should have predicted the controversy and said no from the beginning.</text></item><item><author>unethical_ban</author><text>Politically controversial yet completely legal things, like weapons parts, were not only banned on manufacturing, but as a logo on the subreddit[1]. Meanwhile, a federally illegal, in different ways controversial activity such as marijuana consumption is permitted[2]. It&amp;#x27;s the right of the company, but there is certainly bias in the use of the logo, and not all fans of reddit are welcome.&lt;p&gt;1. &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;imgur.com&amp;#x2F;a&amp;#x2F;bAOhi#tY6JS4l&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;imgur.com&amp;#x2F;a&amp;#x2F;bAOhi#tY6JS4l&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;2. &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;old.reddit.com&amp;#x2F;r&amp;#x2F;trees&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;old.reddit.com&amp;#x2F;r&amp;#x2F;trees&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>jedberg</author><text>Back in the day, early on in Reddit&amp;#x27;s life, people started making fan art of the Reddit alien, and some cases they started making products with their creations and then giving them away.  We pretty much just let that go.  Then someone started selling their products with their fan art, just to make their costs back.  At that point we had a decision to make.  Do we shut down all the fan art, or do we do something about it?&lt;p&gt;The decision we came to was that our fans are what make us, so we asked our lawyers to write up a licensing agreement for us that we could use with all the fans.  It included provisions for profit sharing so that people could even make a profit off their fan art, as long as they cut us in for a small percentage and got our permission first.  And that&amp;#x27;s how we ended up things like a complete reddit bike kit. [0][1]&lt;p&gt;After that, it was easier for us to license stuff than it was to try and shut it down, not to mention the right thing to do.  I&amp;#x27;m sad that CBS couldn&amp;#x27;t come to the same conclusion.&lt;p&gt;[0]  &lt;a href=&quot;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;i.imgur.com&amp;#x2F;AEPJh.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;i.imgur.com&amp;#x2F;AEPJh.jpg&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.reddit.com&amp;#x2F;r&amp;#x2F;bicycling&amp;#x2F;comments&amp;#x2F;2je6z2&amp;#x2F;2015_reddit_kit_start_your_design_engines&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.reddit.com&amp;#x2F;r&amp;#x2F;bicycling&amp;#x2F;comments&amp;#x2F;2je6z2&amp;#x2F;2015_redd...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>pjc50</author><text>Thanks for this posting, it&amp;#x27;s always good to see people looking back on their decisions and being willing to admit a mistake in public.&lt;p&gt;To the other posters I would say it&amp;#x27;s not a &amp;quot;double&amp;quot; standard but a &amp;quot;standard&amp;quot;; there are some things that Reddit is happy to be associated with and some that it isn&amp;#x27;t.</text></comment>