<story><title>Congress urged to ease immigration for foreign science talent</title><url>https://www.axios.com/2022/05/09/national-security-china-international-science-tech-talent</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>runarberg</author><text>&amp;gt; I get that we can&amp;#x27;t open the flood gates&lt;p&gt;Serious question, has this ever been shown to be a concern. If we would open for free migration, is there seriously any reason to think that migration would be so intense that the country wouldn&amp;#x27;t be able to handle it?&lt;p&gt;I ask because I seriously doubt it. Historically migration has been pretty liberal, and there are place which offer free movements of people (e.g. the EU) where opening up the borders (or the flood gates if you will) has turned out to be a great success.</text></item><item><author>curiousllama</author><text>&amp;gt; Current U.S. immigration law limits the number of green cards issued per country, and people from populous countries like India and China are disproportionately affected.&lt;p&gt;It still shocks me how many of my friends from $top_US_university got kicked out of the country (or almost did, saved only by marriage). Like, do we really want to kick out a half-Iranian nuclear engineer, who now wants to work as a SWE, because they were born in India?&lt;p&gt;I get that we can&amp;#x27;t open the flood gates. But it _does_ make a bit of sense to retain the top % of immigrants based on education in scarce fields, no?</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>ajsnigrutin</author><text>&amp;quot;Great success&amp;quot; is relative...&lt;p&gt;In my small EU country, this has created a caste of low-paying jobs that only immigrants do, and the hiring process usually goes along &amp;quot;put out an ad, offer minimum pay&amp;quot; - &amp;quot;noone local wants to do that job for minimum wage&amp;quot; - &amp;quot;complain you can&amp;#x27;t get workers&amp;quot; - &amp;quot;get work visas for foreigners&amp;quot;.&lt;p&gt;This would&amp;#x2F;could be mitigated by raising the minimum wage for foreign workers (eg., you need a cleaning lady, the pay for a foreign worker must be atleast 1.5x the average pay currently working cleaning ladies get,  so they&amp;#x27;ll try to get a local for atleast 1.499x the average pay first and then if really desparate hire a foreigner).</text></comment>
<story><title>Congress urged to ease immigration for foreign science talent</title><url>https://www.axios.com/2022/05/09/national-security-china-international-science-tech-talent</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>runarberg</author><text>&amp;gt; I get that we can&amp;#x27;t open the flood gates&lt;p&gt;Serious question, has this ever been shown to be a concern. If we would open for free migration, is there seriously any reason to think that migration would be so intense that the country wouldn&amp;#x27;t be able to handle it?&lt;p&gt;I ask because I seriously doubt it. Historically migration has been pretty liberal, and there are place which offer free movements of people (e.g. the EU) where opening up the borders (or the flood gates if you will) has turned out to be a great success.</text></item><item><author>curiousllama</author><text>&amp;gt; Current U.S. immigration law limits the number of green cards issued per country, and people from populous countries like India and China are disproportionately affected.&lt;p&gt;It still shocks me how many of my friends from $top_US_university got kicked out of the country (or almost did, saved only by marriage). Like, do we really want to kick out a half-Iranian nuclear engineer, who now wants to work as a SWE, because they were born in India?&lt;p&gt;I get that we can&amp;#x27;t open the flood gates. But it _does_ make a bit of sense to retain the top % of immigrants based on education in scarce fields, no?</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>LudwigNagasena</author><text>&amp;gt; If we would open for free migration, is there seriously any reason to think that migration would be so intense that the country wouldn&amp;#x27;t be able to handle it?&lt;p&gt;Depends on what you think &amp;quot;be able to handle it&amp;quot; means. There are many tradeoffs.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; there are place which offer free movements of people (e.g. the EU) where opening up the borders (or the flood gates if you will) has turned out to be a great success&lt;p&gt;The EU has a very strict immigration policy for people outside of the EU and it also has natural language barriers that bar foreigners from almost all jobs.</text></comment>