<story><title>&apos;TSA Arrests Me for Using the Fourth Amendment as a Weapon&apos;</title><url>http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/18/1027775/-TSA-Arrests-Me-for-Using-the-Fourth-Amendment-as-a-Weapon-(Tales-from-the-Edge-of-a-Revolution-2)</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>phaus</author><text>She didn&apos;t accomplish anything besides making herself look like a lunatic. As I stated, I really hate the TSA and all of the abuses that have occurred, but this isn&apos;t going to help.&lt;p&gt;The TSA has been guilty on numerous occasions of violating a person&apos;s constitutional rights. They have endangered the lives of some passengers and outright assaulted others. I really do hope that they are taken to task for the things that they have done, but I don&apos;t believe they were wrong to call the police. When you aren&apos;t sure what to do in a situation, it is best to defer things to a higher authority. If the police decided she should be arrested, they are the ones responsible for the decision, not the TSA. Whether or not what she did constituted a crime, I don&apos;t know, but she was disrupting the process.&lt;p&gt;When I was pulling guard duty in the desert, anyone who acted in an unusual manner would have been detained. I am aware that this event took place in the United States, but the bottom line is you don&apos;t mess around with safety. Until the day that the TSA is no longer in charge of airport security, they are responsible for making sure their job gets done. How easy would it be for you to remain focused on your work while someone is standing in front of you yelling out the words to the 4th amendment?&lt;p&gt;If we don&apos;t like the TSA, we need to go through the proper channels every time they do something that violates the law. Don&apos;t let them get away with anything. I know that it is extremely difficult to get the government to change anything, but the only way to get rid of the TSA is to put people in office that will side with the American people on this issue.</text></item><item><author>peterwwillis</author><text>These stupid things are also incredibly brave and necessary. If you have no other way of fighting what you know is wrong, you have to provoke a response.</text></item><item><author>phaus</author><text>When you decide to yell out the words to the 4th amendment at the same exact moment you are being processed through the security checkpoint at an airport, you are intentionally trying to cause a scene. This can and would be construed by any reasonable person as an attempt to disrupt the screening process. The author knew exactly what she was doing. While I&apos;m not sure it was grounds for an arrest, she was maliciously attempting to provoke some sort of response from the TSA.&lt;p&gt;I hate the TSA as much as anyone, but when you do stupid things on purpose, stupid things happen to you.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>jbooth</author><text>You know, I can understand not being brave enough to do this yourself.  I&apos;m not.&lt;p&gt;But pooh-poohing those who do do it?  &quot;Proper channels&quot;?  Yeah, I&apos;m sure they&apos;re getting right on it.&lt;p&gt;How bad would it have to be before you stopped saying &quot;Oh quit causing a disturbance&quot;?  I mean, this is already violating our most sacrosanct freedoms.  Would I have to violate godwin&apos;s law to get you to agree with civil disobedience?</text></comment>
<story><title>&apos;TSA Arrests Me for Using the Fourth Amendment as a Weapon&apos;</title><url>http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/18/1027775/-TSA-Arrests-Me-for-Using-the-Fourth-Amendment-as-a-Weapon-(Tales-from-the-Edge-of-a-Revolution-2)</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>phaus</author><text>She didn&apos;t accomplish anything besides making herself look like a lunatic. As I stated, I really hate the TSA and all of the abuses that have occurred, but this isn&apos;t going to help.&lt;p&gt;The TSA has been guilty on numerous occasions of violating a person&apos;s constitutional rights. They have endangered the lives of some passengers and outright assaulted others. I really do hope that they are taken to task for the things that they have done, but I don&apos;t believe they were wrong to call the police. When you aren&apos;t sure what to do in a situation, it is best to defer things to a higher authority. If the police decided she should be arrested, they are the ones responsible for the decision, not the TSA. Whether or not what she did constituted a crime, I don&apos;t know, but she was disrupting the process.&lt;p&gt;When I was pulling guard duty in the desert, anyone who acted in an unusual manner would have been detained. I am aware that this event took place in the United States, but the bottom line is you don&apos;t mess around with safety. Until the day that the TSA is no longer in charge of airport security, they are responsible for making sure their job gets done. How easy would it be for you to remain focused on your work while someone is standing in front of you yelling out the words to the 4th amendment?&lt;p&gt;If we don&apos;t like the TSA, we need to go through the proper channels every time they do something that violates the law. Don&apos;t let them get away with anything. I know that it is extremely difficult to get the government to change anything, but the only way to get rid of the TSA is to put people in office that will side with the American people on this issue.</text></item><item><author>peterwwillis</author><text>These stupid things are also incredibly brave and necessary. If you have no other way of fighting what you know is wrong, you have to provoke a response.</text></item><item><author>phaus</author><text>When you decide to yell out the words to the 4th amendment at the same exact moment you are being processed through the security checkpoint at an airport, you are intentionally trying to cause a scene. This can and would be construed by any reasonable person as an attempt to disrupt the screening process. The author knew exactly what she was doing. While I&apos;m not sure it was grounds for an arrest, she was maliciously attempting to provoke some sort of response from the TSA.&lt;p&gt;I hate the TSA as much as anyone, but when you do stupid things on purpose, stupid things happen to you.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>dantheman</author><text>&quot;the bottom line is you don&apos;t mess around with safety. &quot;&lt;p&gt;The TSA fails at Safety, this is just bullshit security theater.  If I could, I&apos;d fly with absolutely no security screening before the flight. I&apos;ll take my chances instead of slowly losing my life waiting in their &quot;security&quot; lines.</text></comment>