<story><title>Apple leaves Facebook offices in disarray after revoking app permissions</title><url>https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jan/31/apple-facebook-campus-permissions-revoked-teens-access-data-iphone-app</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>macinjosh</author><text>I understand how FB was not using Apple&amp;#x27;s enterprise development program in good faith. Apple clearly has a right to do what they did.&lt;p&gt;I don&amp;#x27;t understand why FB is in hot water with the public for what they did. Users were informed that data collection was taking place and they were compensated for it. Now, was it wise on the users&amp;#x27; part to join this program? Perhaps not, but last time I checked this is still a free country and people can sell their property for as much or as little as they want.&lt;p&gt;On NPR this morning I heard the argument that a lot of the detail of what is collected and how it is used is buried in the T&amp;amp;C. So what? Have we lost sight of personal responsibility? How naive are people? If you are getting something for free from a large corporation you&amp;#x27;re not getting it out the kindness of their heart. They are making money somehow. That is how the world works.&lt;p&gt;Panic, moral or otherwise, about this sort of stuff is going to push the tech industry into realm of regulatory capture. Well funded companies will be able to afford and absorb compliance costs where small bootstrapped startups, lifestyle businesses, and indie developers will be pushed out of the market.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>dominicr</author><text>I think the issues are:
- they were collecting data from users who were below legal age for responsibility and&amp;#x2F;or local laws about collecting data about minors.
- The general public know very little about everything. Companies have a moral duty to not only educate their users but also to not do wrong.&lt;p&gt;Personal responsibility is a flag many people wave but it&amp;#x27;s a farce. That argument can be used for anything, from seatbelts, to smoking, to privacy. It is impossible for everyone to know enough to make informed choices about EVERYTHING. There is a need for societal organisations (governments, NGOs, responsible journalism) to provide guidance to the public and legal limits in order to provide protection to the whole.</text></comment>
<story><title>Apple leaves Facebook offices in disarray after revoking app permissions</title><url>https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jan/31/apple-facebook-campus-permissions-revoked-teens-access-data-iphone-app</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>macinjosh</author><text>I understand how FB was not using Apple&amp;#x27;s enterprise development program in good faith. Apple clearly has a right to do what they did.&lt;p&gt;I don&amp;#x27;t understand why FB is in hot water with the public for what they did. Users were informed that data collection was taking place and they were compensated for it. Now, was it wise on the users&amp;#x27; part to join this program? Perhaps not, but last time I checked this is still a free country and people can sell their property for as much or as little as they want.&lt;p&gt;On NPR this morning I heard the argument that a lot of the detail of what is collected and how it is used is buried in the T&amp;amp;C. So what? Have we lost sight of personal responsibility? How naive are people? If you are getting something for free from a large corporation you&amp;#x27;re not getting it out the kindness of their heart. They are making money somehow. That is how the world works.&lt;p&gt;Panic, moral or otherwise, about this sort of stuff is going to push the tech industry into realm of regulatory capture. Well funded companies will be able to afford and absorb compliance costs where small bootstrapped startups, lifestyle businesses, and indie developers will be pushed out of the market.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>aaomidi</author><text>The issue wasn&amp;#x27;t the app exists and people were using it. It was the demographic this app was targeting.&lt;p&gt;The app was targeting 13 to 35 year olds. People under 18 has to get parental permission which was literally just selecting a box.&lt;p&gt;The $20 of free money is a big deal for a kid and they might not have the best idea of what they&amp;#x27;re giving away with agreeing to this.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s a really scummy move and possibly illegal to target kids like this.</text></comment>