<story><title>Right or left, you should be worried about big tech censorship</title><url>https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/07/right-or-left-you-should-be-worried-about-big-tech-censorship</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>Nevermark</author><text>Big tech censorship will not solved without addressing the other half of a problem with two sides.&lt;p&gt;Without systems that promote quality, non-ideological, nuanced, original, tolerant dialogue we will keep running into the false dilemma of unmoderated cess pools or heavy handed moderation.&lt;p&gt;If we are to avoid this dilemma we need systems that organically promote constructive, tolerant and inclusive communication, and original, nuanced, intelligent, non-ideological ideas, instead of the opposite.&lt;p&gt;This cannot be done by organizations whose profit incentive is aligned with user attention instead of user satisfaction.&lt;p&gt;Those organizations benefit from degraded communication until strong moderation is both continually demanded and decried.&lt;p&gt;---&lt;p&gt;On a side note, I am so disappointed in the constant framing of ideas as right or left. It dumbs society down incredibly to view so much through the filter of two (often arbitrarily correlated, historically shifting) clusters of supposedly disjoint options.&lt;p&gt;In the real world, communes work well sometimes, markets often work better at scale but not for everything, markets require &amp;quot;social solutions&amp;quot; like non-commercial criminal and civil justice systems, education and health could be explicitly tested and then managed as investments with a pay off of lower taxes (including for the rich) instead of as charities forced on the rich, etc.&lt;p&gt;The Right&amp;#x2F;Left and associated ideologies are all self-defeating when believed in isolation and the nuances of their ragged edges, their limitations, and constructive combinations ignored.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>_ykl9</author><text>Agreed. I think it&amp;#x27;s a major issue in political discourse when people begin to identify with labels and slogans, and treat them as prescriptive (ideals to be adhered to) rather than descriptive (approximate reflections of one&amp;#x27;s current general beliefs).&lt;p&gt;Surveys consistently show that most of us agree on far more than we disagree when questions are phrased in politically neutral terms. People quickly realize when they actually talk to other people that most are fairly reasonable and relatable, even if they have good faith disagreements on particular points, but social media being optimized for maximum engagement with shallow&amp;#x2F;short-form discussion just results in seeing the most extreme elements of society talk over each other and largely fail to come to a common understanding.</text></comment>
<story><title>Right or left, you should be worried about big tech censorship</title><url>https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/07/right-or-left-you-should-be-worried-about-big-tech-censorship</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>Nevermark</author><text>Big tech censorship will not solved without addressing the other half of a problem with two sides.&lt;p&gt;Without systems that promote quality, non-ideological, nuanced, original, tolerant dialogue we will keep running into the false dilemma of unmoderated cess pools or heavy handed moderation.&lt;p&gt;If we are to avoid this dilemma we need systems that organically promote constructive, tolerant and inclusive communication, and original, nuanced, intelligent, non-ideological ideas, instead of the opposite.&lt;p&gt;This cannot be done by organizations whose profit incentive is aligned with user attention instead of user satisfaction.&lt;p&gt;Those organizations benefit from degraded communication until strong moderation is both continually demanded and decried.&lt;p&gt;---&lt;p&gt;On a side note, I am so disappointed in the constant framing of ideas as right or left. It dumbs society down incredibly to view so much through the filter of two (often arbitrarily correlated, historically shifting) clusters of supposedly disjoint options.&lt;p&gt;In the real world, communes work well sometimes, markets often work better at scale but not for everything, markets require &amp;quot;social solutions&amp;quot; like non-commercial criminal and civil justice systems, education and health could be explicitly tested and then managed as investments with a pay off of lower taxes (including for the rich) instead of as charities forced on the rich, etc.&lt;p&gt;The Right&amp;#x2F;Left and associated ideologies are all self-defeating when believed in isolation and the nuances of their ragged edges, their limitations, and constructive combinations ignored.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>1vuio0pswjnm7</author><text>Ha, I was going to add basically the same sidenote, even calling it a sidenote and using the word framing.  All I was going to state was that the title could have been &amp;quot;right, left or center&amp;quot; but instead he chose &amp;quot;left or right&amp;quot;.  WTF.&lt;p&gt;We could almost imagine the author himself is vying for attention by pushing the hot buttons known to work.  Either that or he is incapable of recognising his own foibles.</text></comment>