<story><title>If Prisoners Ran Prisons</title><url>https://www.themarshallproject.org/2016/10/23/if-prisoners-ran-prisons#.xm20Sygvd</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>chappi42</author><text>Yes, but how is an inmate supposed to become &amp;#x27;better&amp;#x27; in future if he (I assume this only happens to men) is treated this respectless? Maybe you are right with winning votes. But on the other hand I perceive the americans as quite human. And if voters (and politicians) want to reduce the likelyhood of inmates to slide back I think the conditions must be improved (if they really should be that bad - I somehow cannot believe this report, completly unthinkable in Europe (maybe we exagerate a bit towards the other end, don&amp;#x27;t know)</text></item><item><author>smcl</author><text>I agree, it&amp;#x27;s pretty sick. I can see how this sort of behaviour can become normalised, hard to remove and in some cases part of what the public expect from the prison experience. Many people see prison as a place to be punished, so it&amp;#x27;s easy for them to rationalise any sort of demeaning or dehumanising treatment as part of the package - &amp;quot;well he&amp;#x2F;she should&amp;#x27;ve thought about that before they broke the law...&amp;quot; etc&lt;p&gt;In addition if you&amp;#x27;re a politician you&amp;#x27;re not going to win votes by campaigning for better conditions in prisons, now matter how you spin it.</text></item><item><author>chappi42</author><text>Well, nothing to do with hackers, but if this&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; Immediately they are yelled at by officers to strip naked, get ‘nuts to butts,’ and after being searched they are kept naked for several minutes until they are issued some boxers...&lt;p&gt;is true. Boah, how can everybody yell at the &amp;#x27;bad behaviour&amp;#x27; of Trump and Clinton and look away here?</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>rootusrootus</author><text>I hate to come off as overly negative, but while Americans individually can seem like very nice people, that&amp;#x27;s not really our culture.  Especially when it comes to prison -- very few people give much thought to rehabilitation.  Prison is meant to be punishment, period.  Anything that makes it more humane is perceived as making it like a vacation or something.  This is why we don&amp;#x27;t put a stop to things like rape in prison, because we have completely dehumanized prisoners.  We treat our pets better.</text></comment>
<story><title>If Prisoners Ran Prisons</title><url>https://www.themarshallproject.org/2016/10/23/if-prisoners-ran-prisons#.xm20Sygvd</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>chappi42</author><text>Yes, but how is an inmate supposed to become &amp;#x27;better&amp;#x27; in future if he (I assume this only happens to men) is treated this respectless? Maybe you are right with winning votes. But on the other hand I perceive the americans as quite human. And if voters (and politicians) want to reduce the likelyhood of inmates to slide back I think the conditions must be improved (if they really should be that bad - I somehow cannot believe this report, completly unthinkable in Europe (maybe we exagerate a bit towards the other end, don&amp;#x27;t know)</text></item><item><author>smcl</author><text>I agree, it&amp;#x27;s pretty sick. I can see how this sort of behaviour can become normalised, hard to remove and in some cases part of what the public expect from the prison experience. Many people see prison as a place to be punished, so it&amp;#x27;s easy for them to rationalise any sort of demeaning or dehumanising treatment as part of the package - &amp;quot;well he&amp;#x2F;she should&amp;#x27;ve thought about that before they broke the law...&amp;quot; etc&lt;p&gt;In addition if you&amp;#x27;re a politician you&amp;#x27;re not going to win votes by campaigning for better conditions in prisons, now matter how you spin it.</text></item><item><author>chappi42</author><text>Well, nothing to do with hackers, but if this&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; Immediately they are yelled at by officers to strip naked, get ‘nuts to butts,’ and after being searched they are kept naked for several minutes until they are issued some boxers...&lt;p&gt;is true. Boah, how can everybody yell at the &amp;#x27;bad behaviour&amp;#x27; of Trump and Clinton and look away here?</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>esrauch</author><text>American Criminal Justice is particularly leaning towards the concept of Just Deserts: if someone does something bad then it is right that bad things should happen to them, without any concept of overall harm minimization.&lt;p&gt;It is a known, accepted meaningful contrast to rehabilitative justice (make the person stop being a criminal) and restorative justice (try to undo the harm that the crime caused). It isn&amp;#x27;t just a flawed overlooked system, it&amp;#x27;s a philosophical underpinning.</text></comment>