<story><title>New York City will charge drivers going downtown</title><url>https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/10/business/congestion-pricing-new-york-city-transportation/index.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>jmclnx</author><text>When I saw London doing that, I expected cities in the US to start that.  I am surprised it took so long.&lt;p&gt;I expected this because of the push of toll roads to make people use EZPASS.  Depending upon the City, I think this makes sense.&lt;p&gt;But, in the US, I wonder if this will cause another mass migration of people out to the suburbs ?  In the US, people are more addicted to their SUVs than heron addicts are to their drug.</text></item><item><author>cj</author><text>See also:&lt;p&gt;London congestion charge:  &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;London_congestion_charge&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;London_congestion_charge&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Singapore Electronic Road Pricing: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Electronic_Road_Pricing&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Electronic_Road_Pricing&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Stockholm congestion tax: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Stockholm_congestion_tax&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Stockholm_congestion_tax&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>mattlondon</author><text>I worked on the technical implementation of one of the London Congestion Charge contracts many years ago.&lt;p&gt;It was a huuuuuuge loss for IBM to implement, but I think their position was &amp;quot;we make a loss here, but then just need to do a search-and-replace for &amp;quot;London&amp;quot; to New York&amp;#x2F;Paris&amp;#x2F;Tokyo&amp;#x2F;Los Angeles and profit!&amp;quot; (I.e. no significant extra development).  Suffice to say that didn&amp;#x27;t happen - it was built with zero customisation in mind. I personally blame it on the &lt;i&gt;insistence&lt;/i&gt; that SAP was to be used for processing payments etc.</text></comment>
<story><title>New York City will charge drivers going downtown</title><url>https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/10/business/congestion-pricing-new-york-city-transportation/index.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>jmclnx</author><text>When I saw London doing that, I expected cities in the US to start that.  I am surprised it took so long.&lt;p&gt;I expected this because of the push of toll roads to make people use EZPASS.  Depending upon the City, I think this makes sense.&lt;p&gt;But, in the US, I wonder if this will cause another mass migration of people out to the suburbs ?  In the US, people are more addicted to their SUVs than heron addicts are to their drug.</text></item><item><author>cj</author><text>See also:&lt;p&gt;London congestion charge:  &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;London_congestion_charge&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;London_congestion_charge&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Singapore Electronic Road Pricing: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Electronic_Road_Pricing&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Electronic_Road_Pricing&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Stockholm congestion tax: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Stockholm_congestion_tax&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Stockholm_congestion_tax&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>stefan_</author><text>Migration &lt;i&gt;to cities&lt;/i&gt; is whats causing this. When it was just black people homes you had to bulldoze to build your freeway straight to downtown there was obviously no concern. Now that people living downtown are rich and powerful they are starting to wonder why a huge chunk of prime space is reserved for storage of suburbian commuter metal boxes.</text></comment>