<story><title>Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook&apos;s Quagmire</title><url>https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-03-21/facebook-s-mark-zuckerberg-has-no-way-out-of-this-quagmire</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>rhizome</author><text>Please stop spreading the &amp;quot;Obama did it too!&amp;quot; canard, they didn&amp;#x27;t exceed authorization.</text></item><item><author>sverige</author><text>The Facebook outrage is interesting since it is tied to Trump.  When Obama did it, no one cared.  For example, there&amp;#x27;s a video of Jim Messina, Obama&amp;#x27;s 2012 campaign manager, talking about how they obtained the entire Facebook social graph and used it to target voters. [1]  I don&amp;#x27;t remember any &amp;quot;delete Facebook&amp;quot; campaigns back then.&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.youtube.com&amp;#x2F;watch?v=mZmcyHpG31A&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.youtube.com&amp;#x2F;watch?v=mZmcyHpG31A&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>rectang</author><text>It&amp;#x27;s fascinating that widespread outrage over privacy finally materializes when data is used for hated political causes.  Commerce, law enforcement not so much... but &amp;quot;Trump&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Obama&amp;quot; and suddenly people care.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>nickysielicki</author><text>See here for details of how CA&amp;#x27;s data was aggregated: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;theintercept.com&amp;#x2F;2017&amp;#x2F;03&amp;#x2F;30&amp;#x2F;facebook-failed-to-protect-30-million-users-from-having-their-data-harvested-by-trump-campaign-affiliate&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;theintercept.com&amp;#x2F;2017&amp;#x2F;03&amp;#x2F;30&amp;#x2F;facebook-failed-to-prote...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;You can find that this survey was listed on reddit: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.reddit.com&amp;#x2F;r&amp;#x2F;HITsWorthTurkingFor&amp;#x2F;comments&amp;#x2F;27nnaa&amp;#x2F;ussurvey_on_personality_wellbeing_demographics&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.reddit.com&amp;#x2F;r&amp;#x2F;HITsWorthTurkingFor&amp;#x2F;comments&amp;#x2F;27nnaa...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Half the reddit commenters claim to have gave them fraudulent information, and they paid people $2 for completing the survey.&lt;p&gt;How is that fundamentally different from this:&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;twitter.com&amp;#x2F;mbsimon&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;975231597183229953&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;twitter.com&amp;#x2F;mbsimon&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;975231597183229953&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; I ran the Obama 2008 data-driven microtargeting team. How dare you! We didn’t steal private Facebook profile data from voters under false pretenses. OFA voluntarily solicited opinions of hundreds of thousands of voters. We didn’t commit theft to do our groundbreaking work.&lt;p&gt;So a bunch of MT users voluntarily gave their information over, for $2, knowing that it would be used for research purposes, and clearly (at least on reddit) skeptical of giving over their information. But that&amp;#x27;s theft and that&amp;#x27;s wrong.&lt;p&gt;A bunch of Obama for President enthusiasts voluntarily give their information to his campaign, knowing that it would be used for research purposes. That&amp;#x27;s categorically different, for some reason.</text></comment>
<story><title>Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook&apos;s Quagmire</title><url>https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-03-21/facebook-s-mark-zuckerberg-has-no-way-out-of-this-quagmire</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>rhizome</author><text>Please stop spreading the &amp;quot;Obama did it too!&amp;quot; canard, they didn&amp;#x27;t exceed authorization.</text></item><item><author>sverige</author><text>The Facebook outrage is interesting since it is tied to Trump.  When Obama did it, no one cared.  For example, there&amp;#x27;s a video of Jim Messina, Obama&amp;#x27;s 2012 campaign manager, talking about how they obtained the entire Facebook social graph and used it to target voters. [1]  I don&amp;#x27;t remember any &amp;quot;delete Facebook&amp;quot; campaigns back then.&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.youtube.com&amp;#x2F;watch?v=mZmcyHpG31A&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.youtube.com&amp;#x2F;watch?v=mZmcyHpG31A&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>rectang</author><text>It&amp;#x27;s fascinating that widespread outrage over privacy finally materializes when data is used for hated political causes.  Commerce, law enforcement not so much... but &amp;quot;Trump&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Obama&amp;quot; and suddenly people care.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>canoebuilder</author><text>&lt;i&gt;Please stop spreading the &amp;quot;Obama did it too!&amp;quot; canard, they didn&amp;#x27;t exceed authorization.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;So in this formulation you&amp;#x27;re making Facebook out to be some kind of super-governmental authority on the proper or improper use of this potentially civilization shifting cache of data.&lt;p&gt;This issue here isn&amp;#x27;t, oh noes! Trump broke Facebook&amp;#x27;s rules, bad Trump!&lt;p&gt;This issue here is that this cache of data &lt;i&gt;exists&lt;/i&gt; and we&amp;#x27;ve seen it put to use in a variety of ways that elicit dismay from a variety of people.&lt;p&gt;This issue here is that Facebook exists, has constructed this system, exploitative of human behaviour and psychology, and collected this data.&lt;p&gt;Think back to the Chamath and Parker stories a few months ago.  
This is a much bigger issue than the doings of a single political campaign.&lt;p&gt;Are we just going to leave it up to Zuck and Sheryl to work out how they can best profit from this system and data while hoping they don&amp;#x27;t destroy society in the process?&lt;p&gt;What if Zuckerberg were to die in a plane crash tomorrow and an &lt;i&gt;enfant terrible&lt;/i&gt;, a young Maxima Rex were to subsequently rise to the throne while holding political views polar opposite to both you and her father, would you be just as enthusiastic about her deciding what are and aren&amp;#x27;t &amp;quot;authorizable&amp;quot; uses of this data?&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;#deletefacebook&lt;/i&gt;</text></comment>