<story><title>Universal Basic Income is Capitalism 2.0</title><url>https://timjrobinson.com/universal-basic-income-is-capitalism-2-0/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>jonstaab</author><text>The problem I see with that is that if a huge number of people take that route and happily (let&amp;#x27;s assume) live their lives without working, they lose access to the ability to participate in a meaningful way in the economy by producing something of value; if they&amp;#x27;re not producing value, no one is going to value them, and they&amp;#x27;ll eventually be locked out of the new, smaller elite group that controls the means of production, and the power that goes along with that.</text></item><item><author>treyfitty</author><text>There are a lot of people here dissenting on the idea of UBI on the premise that they find meaning in work, and to take the incentive to work away will lead others (themselves included) not to have meaning in life.&lt;p&gt;I’ve taken a year off of work to start a business that failed and spent the past few months hanging out with my kids. At first, my stress levels were high because daycares were shut down and I was panicking about my business. When I accepted the fate of my business, I chilled out and just hung out with my kids. These past few months were amazing. I loathe finding a new job now. Instead, I’ve built a mechanical keyboard, explored streaming, learned how to cook, read useless books, and learned how to be present.&lt;p&gt;I see the choice of UBI as: “do I toil away for the wealthy class?  Or do I took away for myself?”  No way will I toil for someone else if I had a choice.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>rabidrat</author><text>I don&amp;#x27;t see how this is any different from the current group of &amp;quot;unskilled&amp;quot; workers who aren&amp;#x27;t valued (even if they are &amp;quot;essential&amp;quot;).  At least with UBI they can live reasonable lives and create their own meaning, through community or art or activism or religion.  Any of which are better outcomes than sacrificing most of their time on bullshit jobs which break their backs and&amp;#x2F;or their spirits.</text></comment>
<story><title>Universal Basic Income is Capitalism 2.0</title><url>https://timjrobinson.com/universal-basic-income-is-capitalism-2-0/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>jonstaab</author><text>The problem I see with that is that if a huge number of people take that route and happily (let&amp;#x27;s assume) live their lives without working, they lose access to the ability to participate in a meaningful way in the economy by producing something of value; if they&amp;#x27;re not producing value, no one is going to value them, and they&amp;#x27;ll eventually be locked out of the new, smaller elite group that controls the means of production, and the power that goes along with that.</text></item><item><author>treyfitty</author><text>There are a lot of people here dissenting on the idea of UBI on the premise that they find meaning in work, and to take the incentive to work away will lead others (themselves included) not to have meaning in life.&lt;p&gt;I’ve taken a year off of work to start a business that failed and spent the past few months hanging out with my kids. At first, my stress levels were high because daycares were shut down and I was panicking about my business. When I accepted the fate of my business, I chilled out and just hung out with my kids. These past few months were amazing. I loathe finding a new job now. Instead, I’ve built a mechanical keyboard, explored streaming, learned how to cook, read useless books, and learned how to be present.&lt;p&gt;I see the choice of UBI as: “do I toil away for the wealthy class?  Or do I took away for myself?”  No way will I toil for someone else if I had a choice.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>czbond</author><text>From a nilhistic point of view, isn&amp;#x27;t most work already performed by human useless and pointless in both the grand and minor scale? I do agree that my observation even from the Covid lockdown, is that many people&amp;#x27;s default state to pursue is activities with &amp;#x27;ease or non-challenged&amp;#x27; rather than &amp;#x27;difficult &amp;#x27;.  To me, Covid lockdown proved why UBI was a bad idea.&lt;p&gt;If humans have free time, they create dance videos on Tik-tok.</text></comment>