<story><title>How to Set Low Expectations at Your Two Remote Jobs</title><url>https://overemployed.com/set-low-expectations-at-your-two-remote-jobs/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>endisneigh</author><text>&amp;gt; Real example: One person I know has 2 $150k jobs for a total of $300k. If they joined as a jr engineer at a FANGMULA or equivalent, they would be making $300k, not be fucking stressed about the duplicity that is working 2 jobs, learn more because it&amp;#x27;s a better company and get promoed to sr engineer within a year or two and make $400-500k instead. If they have ambition, they can cross the leadership rubicon (either through becoming a staff engineer or manager) and make even more, reaching up to $700k-$1M eventually.&lt;p&gt;Sometimes I wonder if the people saying this stuff really even work there. It&amp;#x27;s not impossible, but the kind of person who would be promoted that fast wouldn&amp;#x27;t be working two crappy jobs to begin with.&lt;p&gt;Not to mention even if you were promoted you wouldn&amp;#x27;t go from $300K to $500K. You think getting promoted at FAANG gives you an over 50% increase in total comp as the norm? (edit: If you&amp;#x27;ve seen this, it&amp;#x27;s almost due to the fact that FAANG stock increased drastically during COVID. If you look at 2012-2017 data for promotions a 50% increase is almost unheard of).&lt;p&gt;You should join one if you&amp;#x27;re not already there and read about how people are complaining about less than 6.7% (last inflation report) raises during company meetings and less than 10% even when promoted.&lt;p&gt;Finally, background checks work on what you give them, they&amp;#x27;re not exhaustive (unless you&amp;#x27;re trying to work for the government). So many inaccuracies in this post I wonder if it&amp;#x27;s satire. If so, I apologize.&lt;p&gt;lol</text></item><item><author>novok</author><text>A pattern I&amp;#x27;ve noticed with double job workers:&lt;p&gt;1. They tend to work double jobs at frankly lower tier companies with lower standards and significantly lower pay.   Because the companies are lower tier, they stagnate in their career growth because the company is not teaching them good skills.  And you cannot put both jobs in your resume, only one on top of that, and this will show up in future background checks.&lt;p&gt;2. Because of double working, they are pretty much guaranteed to not get promoted beyond the standard terminal level.&lt;p&gt;3. They think that promos (like this article), are at most only %10, while promos are more like a x1.5 to x2 of your income.&lt;p&gt;4. You cannot work at proper startups and learn a ton, because the workload would be way too high for this strategy.&lt;p&gt;Real example: One person I know has 2 $150k jobs for a total of $300k.  If they joined as a jr engineer at a FANGMULA or equivalent, they would be making $300k, not be fucking stressed about the duplicity that is working 2 jobs, learn more because it&amp;#x27;s a better company and get promoed to sr engineer within a year or two and make $400-500k instead.  If they have ambition, they can cross the leadership rubicon (either through becoming a staff engineer or manager) and make even more, reaching up to $700k-$1M eventually.&lt;p&gt;Maybe if your having a hard time breaking into startups or FANGMULA and your just starting out, this might be an ok strategy, but beyond that, it&amp;#x27;s not a good idea.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>aqme28</author><text>Agreed. I was a software engineer in New York, not SF (where salaries a _little_ higher), but salaries were nothing like this unless maybe you worked at a top-end hedge fund. The myth that every other random software engineer has this kind of pay is harmful.</text></comment>
<story><title>How to Set Low Expectations at Your Two Remote Jobs</title><url>https://overemployed.com/set-low-expectations-at-your-two-remote-jobs/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>endisneigh</author><text>&amp;gt; Real example: One person I know has 2 $150k jobs for a total of $300k. If they joined as a jr engineer at a FANGMULA or equivalent, they would be making $300k, not be fucking stressed about the duplicity that is working 2 jobs, learn more because it&amp;#x27;s a better company and get promoed to sr engineer within a year or two and make $400-500k instead. If they have ambition, they can cross the leadership rubicon (either through becoming a staff engineer or manager) and make even more, reaching up to $700k-$1M eventually.&lt;p&gt;Sometimes I wonder if the people saying this stuff really even work there. It&amp;#x27;s not impossible, but the kind of person who would be promoted that fast wouldn&amp;#x27;t be working two crappy jobs to begin with.&lt;p&gt;Not to mention even if you were promoted you wouldn&amp;#x27;t go from $300K to $500K. You think getting promoted at FAANG gives you an over 50% increase in total comp as the norm? (edit: If you&amp;#x27;ve seen this, it&amp;#x27;s almost due to the fact that FAANG stock increased drastically during COVID. If you look at 2012-2017 data for promotions a 50% increase is almost unheard of).&lt;p&gt;You should join one if you&amp;#x27;re not already there and read about how people are complaining about less than 6.7% (last inflation report) raises during company meetings and less than 10% even when promoted.&lt;p&gt;Finally, background checks work on what you give them, they&amp;#x27;re not exhaustive (unless you&amp;#x27;re trying to work for the government). So many inaccuracies in this post I wonder if it&amp;#x27;s satire. If so, I apologize.&lt;p&gt;lol</text></item><item><author>novok</author><text>A pattern I&amp;#x27;ve noticed with double job workers:&lt;p&gt;1. They tend to work double jobs at frankly lower tier companies with lower standards and significantly lower pay.   Because the companies are lower tier, they stagnate in their career growth because the company is not teaching them good skills.  And you cannot put both jobs in your resume, only one on top of that, and this will show up in future background checks.&lt;p&gt;2. Because of double working, they are pretty much guaranteed to not get promoted beyond the standard terminal level.&lt;p&gt;3. They think that promos (like this article), are at most only %10, while promos are more like a x1.5 to x2 of your income.&lt;p&gt;4. You cannot work at proper startups and learn a ton, because the workload would be way too high for this strategy.&lt;p&gt;Real example: One person I know has 2 $150k jobs for a total of $300k.  If they joined as a jr engineer at a FANGMULA or equivalent, they would be making $300k, not be fucking stressed about the duplicity that is working 2 jobs, learn more because it&amp;#x27;s a better company and get promoed to sr engineer within a year or two and make $400-500k instead.  If they have ambition, they can cross the leadership rubicon (either through becoming a staff engineer or manager) and make even more, reaching up to $700k-$1M eventually.&lt;p&gt;Maybe if your having a hard time breaking into startups or FANGMULA and your just starting out, this might be an ok strategy, but beyond that, it&amp;#x27;s not a good idea.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>PragmaticPulp</author><text>&amp;gt; Sometimes I wonder if the people saying this stuff really even work there. It&amp;#x27;s not impossible, but the kind of person who would be promoted that fast wouldn&amp;#x27;t be working two crappy jobs to begin with.&lt;p&gt;In my experience, people often stumble into these situations by simply not quitting their old job when they get a new job.&lt;p&gt;The idea is to continue to collect paychecks from the old job until they lay you off with severance.&lt;p&gt;This usually catches up with people later on when someone puts two and two together or hears from a friend of a friend that the person is working at a certain company. Imagine being recruited to a new company and seeing your former  company coworker in Slack and &lt;i&gt;he&amp;#x27;s been there for months&lt;/i&gt;. Word gets around.&lt;p&gt;This absolutely &lt;i&gt;destroys&lt;/i&gt; reference checks. Another reason to always do reference checks and always confirm someone&amp;#x27;s end dates with the other company.</text></comment>