<story><title>FTC authorizes compulsory process for AI-related products and services</title><url>https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2023/11/ftc-authorizes-compulsory-process-ai-related-products-services</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>nameless912</author><text>AI has already hurt plenty of people though; we already have examples of biased &amp;quot;AI policing&amp;quot;, artists and writers are getting their work stolen left and right, and I&amp;#x27;ve heard tell of several instances of seriously vulnerable code making it to production and revealing folks&amp;#x27; private information due to bugs introduced by AI assistants.&lt;p&gt;This regulation is almost certainly too far reaching and written by bureaucrats rather than experts, but the need for regulation is already there.</text></item><item><author>chii</author><text>And those regulations only happened _after_ the dangers and harms were shown to be true and actually happens.&lt;p&gt;I would be wary of pre-emptive regulations.</text></item><item><author>andylynch</author><text>But every functioning government regulates electrical networks and devices in some way.  People think it’s mostly reasonable since they don’t like being electrocuted or having things explode and catch on fire?</text></item><item><author>RecycledEle</author><text>&amp;gt; &amp;quot;products and services that use or claim to be produced using artificial intelligence (AI)...&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;Imagine a government agency that has oversight over &amp;quot;products and services that use or claim to be produced using electricity...&amp;quot; This may become the largest power grab in US history.</text></item><item><author>rossdavidh</author><text>&amp;quot;products and services that use or claim to be produced using artificial intelligence (AI)...&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;Interesting test of whether we suddenly see a decline in the number of products claiming to have or be produced using AI.  Probably not until&amp;#x2F;unless the FTC actually starts using these powers in a significant way.&lt;p&gt;By the way, I don&amp;#x27;t mean cases where AI was used, lying about it, I mean cases where nothing meriting the term &amp;quot;artificial intelligence&amp;quot; was used, but they have been stretching the term so they can use the latest buzzword in advertising.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>RecycledEle</author><text>&amp;gt; the need for regulation is already there.&lt;p&gt;We need regulation that holds people accountable. I see too many 1%ers claiming they were not responsible for something their algorithm did.&lt;p&gt;In old sci-fi, a computer was the legal agent of its operator&amp;#x2F;owner and anything that computer did was 100% the fault of its owner&amp;#x2F;operator.&lt;p&gt;If we simply say &amp;quot;you are responsible for what your AI does,&amp;quot; then the problem is solved.&lt;p&gt;We could solve the problem if not being able to bring corporations to justice at the same time. Forxe them to beck e proprietorships. Every owner&amp;#x2F;partner is culpable for crimes committed by that proprietorship.&lt;p&gt;Did a cop arrest an obviously innocent person? It&amp;#x27;s the cop&amp;#x27;s fault.&lt;p&gt;Did my web site plagiarize a painting? Then it&amp;#x27;s my fault.&lt;p&gt;Did a startup release venerable software? Then the crook that exploited the bug is responsible but so it the entity that released the software.&lt;p&gt;If we get back to common sense and stop blaming the Twinkie for the murder, things get a lot simpler.
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<story><title>FTC authorizes compulsory process for AI-related products and services</title><url>https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2023/11/ftc-authorizes-compulsory-process-ai-related-products-services</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>nameless912</author><text>AI has already hurt plenty of people though; we already have examples of biased &amp;quot;AI policing&amp;quot;, artists and writers are getting their work stolen left and right, and I&amp;#x27;ve heard tell of several instances of seriously vulnerable code making it to production and revealing folks&amp;#x27; private information due to bugs introduced by AI assistants.&lt;p&gt;This regulation is almost certainly too far reaching and written by bureaucrats rather than experts, but the need for regulation is already there.</text></item><item><author>chii</author><text>And those regulations only happened _after_ the dangers and harms were shown to be true and actually happens.&lt;p&gt;I would be wary of pre-emptive regulations.</text></item><item><author>andylynch</author><text>But every functioning government regulates electrical networks and devices in some way.  People think it’s mostly reasonable since they don’t like being electrocuted or having things explode and catch on fire?</text></item><item><author>RecycledEle</author><text>&amp;gt; &amp;quot;products and services that use or claim to be produced using artificial intelligence (AI)...&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;Imagine a government agency that has oversight over &amp;quot;products and services that use or claim to be produced using electricity...&amp;quot; This may become the largest power grab in US history.</text></item><item><author>rossdavidh</author><text>&amp;quot;products and services that use or claim to be produced using artificial intelligence (AI)...&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;Interesting test of whether we suddenly see a decline in the number of products claiming to have or be produced using AI.  Probably not until&amp;#x2F;unless the FTC actually starts using these powers in a significant way.&lt;p&gt;By the way, I don&amp;#x27;t mean cases where AI was used, lying about it, I mean cases where nothing meriting the term &amp;quot;artificial intelligence&amp;quot; was used, but they have been stretching the term so they can use the latest buzzword in advertising.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>chii</author><text>Bad code making into production has nothing to do with ai, and everything to do with the incompetence of the coder.&lt;p&gt;As for &amp;quot;stolen&amp;quot; work, i am still not convinced that ai produced works are a derivative of the training data.&lt;p&gt;And AI policing is just as bad as human policing - the regulation isn&amp;#x27;t with AI, but with policing.</text></comment>