<story><title>Tesla is ordered to turn over Autopilot data to a federal safety agency</title><url>https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/01/business/tesla-autopilot-investigation.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>matt123456789</author><text>The question is, how much of that is Tesla’s fault? They’re an EV company, not a psychology consultancy. We don’t hold gun manufacturers or alcohol companies liable when people do stupid things with their products, despite the best efforts of their marketing divisions. Granted “pull trigger get bullet” is much simpler than the Autopilot response.</text></item><item><author>duxup</author><text>I suspect humans are really bad when they only have to sorta pay attention and it results in just not paying attention a great deal of the time.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;m not sure that&amp;#x27;s fixable on the human end.</text></item><item><author>yawaworht1978</author><text>The absolving argument that it&amp;#x27;s still the drivers responsibility to intervene has flown out of the window with this request.
The federal safety agency is not having any of that excuse anymore.&lt;p&gt;They might find that Tesla did no wrong here, further enabling Tesla to get away with this. But this looks a lot like they want to regulate the feature a bit more.
If self regulation via companies and humans does not work, the government will step in.&lt;p&gt;Curious to see the outcome, they haven&amp;#x27;t ordered the immediate disablement of the feature, they might have a neutral view.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>SerLava</author><text>It&amp;#x27;s not &amp;quot;doing a stupid thing&amp;quot; though&lt;p&gt;Fundamentally any life form has a slower reaction when they have to notice an issue and start to take motor control. Versus already being in control and simply not causing the issue.&lt;p&gt;They are not just &amp;quot;an EV company&amp;quot; they are making a guidance system for thousands of high speed metal death machines. They BETTER consult some psychologists. This is a really bizarre thing to say.</text></comment>
<story><title>Tesla is ordered to turn over Autopilot data to a federal safety agency</title><url>https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/01/business/tesla-autopilot-investigation.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>matt123456789</author><text>The question is, how much of that is Tesla’s fault? They’re an EV company, not a psychology consultancy. We don’t hold gun manufacturers or alcohol companies liable when people do stupid things with their products, despite the best efforts of their marketing divisions. Granted “pull trigger get bullet” is much simpler than the Autopilot response.</text></item><item><author>duxup</author><text>I suspect humans are really bad when they only have to sorta pay attention and it results in just not paying attention a great deal of the time.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;m not sure that&amp;#x27;s fixable on the human end.</text></item><item><author>yawaworht1978</author><text>The absolving argument that it&amp;#x27;s still the drivers responsibility to intervene has flown out of the window with this request.
The federal safety agency is not having any of that excuse anymore.&lt;p&gt;They might find that Tesla did no wrong here, further enabling Tesla to get away with this. But this looks a lot like they want to regulate the feature a bit more.
If self regulation via companies and humans does not work, the government will step in.&lt;p&gt;Curious to see the outcome, they haven&amp;#x27;t ordered the immediate disablement of the feature, they might have a neutral view.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>duxup</author><text>We ask airplane makers to make adjustments to better indicate problems &amp;#x2F; auto pilot status when humans don&amp;#x27;t do the right thing all the time.  And that&amp;#x27;s for professionals who get tons of training.&lt;p&gt;We have all sorts of car &amp;#x2F; road safety features because humans are bad at driving.&lt;p&gt;We can&amp;#x27;t reprogram the humans, can change the environment they operate in.</text></comment>