<story><title>U.S. eliminates human controls requirement for fully automated vehicles</title><url>https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-eliminates-human-controls-requirement-fully-automated-vehicles-2022-03-11/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>Communitivity</author><text>This is problematic for a number of reasons. The most important in my mind is that the risk of the vehicle being hacked and carjacked remotely is always present.&lt;p&gt;With the presence of an automation kill-switch and manual human controls the driver can always take back control.&lt;p&gt;Without those, the driver is at the mercy of the hacker.&lt;p&gt;Vehicle automation falls under the SCADA sub-domain of cyber-security. SCADA stands for Supervisory Control and Data Acquisition, and the cyber-security in SCADA systems is light-years behind. Pro-tip: going into cyber and want a good certification (if such a thing exists)..then get CISSP-SCADA.&lt;p&gt;Some relevant articles:&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;physicsworld.com&amp;#x2F;a&amp;#x2F;how-to-hack-a-self-driving-car&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;physicsworld.com&amp;#x2F;a&amp;#x2F;how-to-hack-a-self-driving-car&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;[2] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;hackernoon.com&amp;#x2F;how-to-hack-self-driving-cars-vulnerabilities-in-autonomous-vehicles-jh3r37cz&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;hackernoon.com&amp;#x2F;how-to-hack-self-driving-cars-vulnera...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;[3] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;blog.tesu.edu&amp;#x2F;should-we-be-worried-about-the-hacking-of-autonomous-vehicles&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;blog.tesu.edu&amp;#x2F;should-we-be-worried-about-the-hacking...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>nobody9999</author><text>&amp;gt;This is problematic for a number of reasons. The most important in my mind is that the risk of the vehicle being hacked and carjacked remotely is always present.&lt;p&gt;Which raises the question: &amp;quot;Why would we engineer vehicles to accept external network connections?&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;Any communication to&amp;#x2F;from a vehicle should &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; be initiated by the vehicle itself.  There&amp;#x27;s no &lt;i&gt;reasonable&lt;/i&gt; criteria under which a vehicle should have its systems available to external sources.&lt;p&gt;Or am I missing something important?</text></comment>
<story><title>U.S. eliminates human controls requirement for fully automated vehicles</title><url>https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-eliminates-human-controls-requirement-fully-automated-vehicles-2022-03-11/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>Communitivity</author><text>This is problematic for a number of reasons. The most important in my mind is that the risk of the vehicle being hacked and carjacked remotely is always present.&lt;p&gt;With the presence of an automation kill-switch and manual human controls the driver can always take back control.&lt;p&gt;Without those, the driver is at the mercy of the hacker.&lt;p&gt;Vehicle automation falls under the SCADA sub-domain of cyber-security. SCADA stands for Supervisory Control and Data Acquisition, and the cyber-security in SCADA systems is light-years behind. Pro-tip: going into cyber and want a good certification (if such a thing exists)..then get CISSP-SCADA.&lt;p&gt;Some relevant articles:&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;physicsworld.com&amp;#x2F;a&amp;#x2F;how-to-hack-a-self-driving-car&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;physicsworld.com&amp;#x2F;a&amp;#x2F;how-to-hack-a-self-driving-car&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;[2] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;hackernoon.com&amp;#x2F;how-to-hack-self-driving-cars-vulnerabilities-in-autonomous-vehicles-jh3r37cz&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;hackernoon.com&amp;#x2F;how-to-hack-self-driving-cars-vulnera...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;[3] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;blog.tesu.edu&amp;#x2F;should-we-be-worried-about-the-hacking-of-autonomous-vehicles&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;blog.tesu.edu&amp;#x2F;should-we-be-worried-about-the-hacking...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>aiisjustanif</author><text>Not a counterpoint but supplemental. Waymo and Cruise have been pouring a lot more initial effort into cybersecurity and they are just barely in production.</text></comment>