<story><title>Google removes all Danish music from YouTube</title><url>https://www.koda.dk/about-us/press-release-google-removes-all-danish-music-from-youtube</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>vermilingua</author><text>A schoolyard bully goes to a group of children, and tells one “I want all your lunches, or I’m going to break your legs.” The children refuse, and their legs are broken; but it’s the children’s fault for not allowing the bully to take some of their lunch, and break one of their legs each.</text></item><item><author>supernova87a</author><text>&amp;gt; &lt;i&gt;Google uses their dominant position to ask a reduction of 70%. How do you want Koda to accept those terms? Why would artists work with Koda if they don’t push back on such a ridiculous demand? It’s their job to say no here.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;That&amp;#x27;s fine.  Just don&amp;#x27;t misrepresent that it&amp;#x27;s Google unilaterally removing people&amp;#x27;s content.&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;How do you want Koda to accept those terms?&amp;quot;  However they wish to -- that&amp;#x27;s not my place to tell them. It&amp;#x27;s totally up to them.  They can change their business model.  They can come up with whatever ideas they want.   Just like Google had to, to undercut all those old traditional advertisers who were charging ridiculous rates for print advertising.  Just like every startup is trying to do to incumbents.  Just like tons of people do every day without any desire for &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; revenue, even.&lt;p&gt;Don&amp;#x27;t cherry pick the things you like about being able to create new things, and then suddenly demand barriers (on principle) to that same ability because you started making money on it.  You just want your cut, just like Google.</text></item><item><author>dgellow</author><text>Google uses their dominant position to ask a reduction of 70%. How do you want Koda to accept those terms? Why would artists work with Koda if they don’t push back on such a ridiculous demand? It’s their job to say no here.</text></item><item><author>supernova87a</author><text>As in so many disputes, the parties (koda.dk here) will claim this is about principles and yada yada yada, &amp;quot;Google removes all Danish music from Youtube&amp;quot;, etc.&lt;p&gt;You can be guaranteed though, it&amp;#x27;s always just about the price and how the one party doesn&amp;#x27;t want to pay it, and the other party doesn&amp;#x27;t want to change it.&lt;p&gt;ESPN doesn&amp;#x27;t want to pay MLB, Comcast doesn&amp;#x27;t want to pay local stations, app developers don&amp;#x27;t want to pay Apple.  It goes on and on.&lt;p&gt;The article has the headline &amp;quot;On the evening of Thursday 30 July, Google announced that they will soon remove all Danish music content on YouTube&amp;quot;.&lt;p&gt;Yet in the next paragraphs, it goes on to describe a change in terms promulgated by Google after a treaty expiration, and that &amp;quot;Of course, Koda cannot accept these terms&amp;quot;.&lt;p&gt;Well then, this is a decision by Google, and then a decision by Koda isn&amp;#x27;t it?&lt;p&gt;Yet they make it sound like Google is the big bad entity. Isn&amp;#x27;t that convenient.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>donor20</author><text>Is this a joke?&lt;p&gt;KODA and Gramex are monopolies. No one is forced to put their music on google, they do it voluntarily. Folks are FORCED to use KODA and Gramex.&lt;p&gt;Google is saying, if you want to put your music on our platform (which we then distribute for free globally for you at NO cost to you) then we can do it - but if you ask us to pay you more than X to distribute it for you that&amp;#x27;s not going to work.&lt;p&gt;Reality check for a minute - if koda did this type of global distribution for their artists they would CHARGE their artists a total fortune to do so, NOT pay them.</text></comment>
<story><title>Google removes all Danish music from YouTube</title><url>https://www.koda.dk/about-us/press-release-google-removes-all-danish-music-from-youtube</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>vermilingua</author><text>A schoolyard bully goes to a group of children, and tells one “I want all your lunches, or I’m going to break your legs.” The children refuse, and their legs are broken; but it’s the children’s fault for not allowing the bully to take some of their lunch, and break one of their legs each.</text></item><item><author>supernova87a</author><text>&amp;gt; &lt;i&gt;Google uses their dominant position to ask a reduction of 70%. How do you want Koda to accept those terms? Why would artists work with Koda if they don’t push back on such a ridiculous demand? It’s their job to say no here.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;That&amp;#x27;s fine.  Just don&amp;#x27;t misrepresent that it&amp;#x27;s Google unilaterally removing people&amp;#x27;s content.&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;How do you want Koda to accept those terms?&amp;quot;  However they wish to -- that&amp;#x27;s not my place to tell them. It&amp;#x27;s totally up to them.  They can change their business model.  They can come up with whatever ideas they want.   Just like Google had to, to undercut all those old traditional advertisers who were charging ridiculous rates for print advertising.  Just like every startup is trying to do to incumbents.  Just like tons of people do every day without any desire for &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; revenue, even.&lt;p&gt;Don&amp;#x27;t cherry pick the things you like about being able to create new things, and then suddenly demand barriers (on principle) to that same ability because you started making money on it.  You just want your cut, just like Google.</text></item><item><author>dgellow</author><text>Google uses their dominant position to ask a reduction of 70%. How do you want Koda to accept those terms? Why would artists work with Koda if they don’t push back on such a ridiculous demand? It’s their job to say no here.</text></item><item><author>supernova87a</author><text>As in so many disputes, the parties (koda.dk here) will claim this is about principles and yada yada yada, &amp;quot;Google removes all Danish music from Youtube&amp;quot;, etc.&lt;p&gt;You can be guaranteed though, it&amp;#x27;s always just about the price and how the one party doesn&amp;#x27;t want to pay it, and the other party doesn&amp;#x27;t want to change it.&lt;p&gt;ESPN doesn&amp;#x27;t want to pay MLB, Comcast doesn&amp;#x27;t want to pay local stations, app developers don&amp;#x27;t want to pay Apple.  It goes on and on.&lt;p&gt;The article has the headline &amp;quot;On the evening of Thursday 30 July, Google announced that they will soon remove all Danish music content on YouTube&amp;quot;.&lt;p&gt;Yet in the next paragraphs, it goes on to describe a change in terms promulgated by Google after a treaty expiration, and that &amp;quot;Of course, Koda cannot accept these terms&amp;quot;.&lt;p&gt;Well then, this is a decision by Google, and then a decision by Koda isn&amp;#x27;t it?&lt;p&gt;Yet they make it sound like Google is the big bad entity. Isn&amp;#x27;t that convenient.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>supernova87a</author><text>&amp;gt; &lt;i&gt;A schoolyard bully goes to a group of children, and tells one “I want all your lunches, or I’m going to break your legs.” The children refuse, and their legs are broken; but it’s the children’s fault for not allowing the bully to take some of their lunch, and break one of their legs each.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;Oh that&amp;#x27;s rich.  Comparing a company that enabled a technology never seen before, which enters into voluntary agreements with other companies who create technology never seen before, to schoolyard bullies extorting kids and stealing their money.&lt;p&gt;I love how working in tech can warp your sense of reality.&lt;p&gt;And by the way, tell us, what analogy applies to the $ amounts that Koda takes off the top, before it pays its musicians royalties or gives them their share?   I&amp;#x27;m sure that wouldn&amp;#x27;t be breaking legs in their view, now would it?</text></comment>