<story><title>I Got a &apos;Mild&apos; Breakthrough Case</title><url>https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/09/12/1036356773/i-got-a-mild-breakthrough-case-heres-what-i-wish-id-known</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>TobTobXX</author><text>But all the regulations around us create this covid-proof impression.&lt;p&gt;Eg. where I live, hospitals consider introducing vaccination requirements for visitors. But that somehow defies logic. The vaccine only reduces symptoms (and might thus save yourself, or others, when extended with the hospital-bed-limit-thought), but it wouldn&amp;#x27;t stop you from transmitting the disease if you are infected (and vaccinated) but you aren&amp;#x27;t aware.&lt;p&gt;So I don&amp;#x27;t even blame the public, but rather the regulators. They ought to know better.&lt;p&gt;Edit: I might need to support this claim.&lt;p&gt;The most trustworthy source I found was this article by the JHU [1] (2021-08-02). While there are many that claim different numbers (ranging from stopping roughly 60% to 0%), for transmission, no one claimed that virus infection is influenced.&lt;p&gt;[1]: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;publichealth.jhu.edu&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;new-data-on-covid-19-transmission-by-vaccinated-individuals&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;publichealth.jhu.edu&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;new-data-on-covid-19-trans...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>hvocode</author><text>I’m getting a little tired of articles or chats with people where you get the impression that people think the vaccines will create some sort of covid-proof bubble around them. This is the only explanation I can find for people acting surprised that vaccinated people get sick.  The whole point was to prime the immune system so that when exposed, the likelihood of extreme effects would be drastically reduced.  That’s it.&lt;p&gt;(E: I don’t get why people downvote this - all of the benefits of vaccination are precisely due to what I describe.  Lower likelihood of individual bad outcomes, which reduces burdens on healthcare, and ideally, reduces community spread by reducing the amount of virus that replicates in an individual and can be passed on.  This is why I was one of the first in line when I could get the vaccine.  Perhaps daring to critique people with unrealistic vaccine expectations is unacceptable?)</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>uh_uh</author><text>&amp;gt; The vaccine only reduces symptoms (and might thus save yourself, or others, when extended with the hospital-bed-limit-thought), but it wouldn&amp;#x27;t stop you from transmitting the disease if you are infected (and vaccinated) but you aren&amp;#x27;t aware&lt;p&gt;Are you sure about that? Even this article refers to a study which says that vaccinated people are 5 times less likely to test positive than non-vaccinated. _Some_ asymptotic transmission will still occur in the vaccinated but it&amp;#x27;s reasonable to expect that it happens to a lesser degree. I&amp;#x27;d be very curious to see studies that claim that there&amp;#x27;s no difference in asymptomatic transmission between the vaccinated and unvaccinated.</text></comment>
<story><title>I Got a &apos;Mild&apos; Breakthrough Case</title><url>https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/09/12/1036356773/i-got-a-mild-breakthrough-case-heres-what-i-wish-id-known</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>TobTobXX</author><text>But all the regulations around us create this covid-proof impression.&lt;p&gt;Eg. where I live, hospitals consider introducing vaccination requirements for visitors. But that somehow defies logic. The vaccine only reduces symptoms (and might thus save yourself, or others, when extended with the hospital-bed-limit-thought), but it wouldn&amp;#x27;t stop you from transmitting the disease if you are infected (and vaccinated) but you aren&amp;#x27;t aware.&lt;p&gt;So I don&amp;#x27;t even blame the public, but rather the regulators. They ought to know better.&lt;p&gt;Edit: I might need to support this claim.&lt;p&gt;The most trustworthy source I found was this article by the JHU [1] (2021-08-02). While there are many that claim different numbers (ranging from stopping roughly 60% to 0%), for transmission, no one claimed that virus infection is influenced.&lt;p&gt;[1]: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;publichealth.jhu.edu&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;new-data-on-covid-19-transmission-by-vaccinated-individuals&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;publichealth.jhu.edu&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;new-data-on-covid-19-trans...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>hvocode</author><text>I’m getting a little tired of articles or chats with people where you get the impression that people think the vaccines will create some sort of covid-proof bubble around them. This is the only explanation I can find for people acting surprised that vaccinated people get sick.  The whole point was to prime the immune system so that when exposed, the likelihood of extreme effects would be drastically reduced.  That’s it.&lt;p&gt;(E: I don’t get why people downvote this - all of the benefits of vaccination are precisely due to what I describe.  Lower likelihood of individual bad outcomes, which reduces burdens on healthcare, and ideally, reduces community spread by reducing the amount of virus that replicates in an individual and can be passed on.  This is why I was one of the first in line when I could get the vaccine.  Perhaps daring to critique people with unrealistic vaccine expectations is unacceptable?)</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>thephyber</author><text>The vaccine does a reasonable job at reducing transmission in the aggregate. It lessens the average viral load, shortens the average time a person is infectious, etc.&lt;p&gt;Treating transmission as a boolean ignores the large-but-not-100-percent improvement. Better to treat it as a distribution.&lt;p&gt;I don’t see what you are blaming regulators for.</text></comment>