<story><title>Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney</title><url>https://blog.usmanity.com/comparing-adobe-firefly-dalle-2-and-openjourney/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>TeMPOraL</author><text>Jaysus.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;m going to sound like an entitled whiny old guy shouting at clouds, but - what the hell; with all the knowledge being either locked and churned on Discord, or released in form of YouTube videos with no transcript and extremely low content density - how is anyone with a job supposed to keep up with this? Or is that a new form of gatekeeping - if you can&amp;#x27;t afford to burn a lot of time and attention as if in some kind of Proof of Work scheme, you&amp;#x27;re not allowed to play with the newest toys?&lt;p&gt;I mean, Discord I can sort of get - chit-chatting and shitposting is easier than writing articles or maintaining wikis, and it kind of grows organically from there. But YouTube? Surely making a video takes 10-100x the effort and cost, compared to writing an article with some screenshots, while also being 10x more costly to consume (in terms of wasted time and strained attention). How does &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; even work?</text></item><item><author>kouteiheika</author><text>&amp;gt; What would be the best learning site&amp;#x2F;resource for arriving at understanding how to integrate and manipulate SD with precision like that?&lt;p&gt;Honestly? Probably YouTube tutorials.</text></item><item><author>nomand</author><text>Is there a coherent resource (not a scattered &amp;#x27;just google it&amp;#x27; series of guides from all over the place) that encapsulates some of the concepts and workflows you&amp;#x27;re describing? What would be the best learning site&amp;#x2F;resource for arriving at understanding how to integrate and manipulate SD with precision like that? Thanks</text></item><item><author>orbital-decay</author><text>Are you using txt2img with the vanilla model? SD&amp;#x27;s actual value is in the large array of higher-order input methods and tooling; as a tradeoff, it requires more knowledge. Similarly to 3D CGI, it&amp;#x27;s a highly technical area. You don&amp;#x27;t just enter the prompt with it.&lt;p&gt;You can finetune it on your own material, or choose one of the hundreds of public finetuned models. You can guide it in a precise manner with a sketch or by extracting a pose from a photo using controlnets or any other method. You can influence the colors. You can explicitly separate prompt parts so the tokens don&amp;#x27;t leak into each other. You can use it as a photobashing tool with a plugin to popular image editing software. Things like ComfyUI enable extremely complicated pipelines as well. etc etc etc</text></item><item><author>ewjt</author><text>Can you elaborate on “properly tweaked”?  When I use one of the Stable Diffusion and AUTOMATIC1111 templates on runpod.io, the results are absolutely worthless.&lt;p&gt;This is using some of the popular prompts you can find on sites like prompthero that show amazing examples.&lt;p&gt;It’s been serious expectation vs. reality disappointment for me and so I just pay the MidJourney or DALL-E fees.</text></item><item><author>kouteiheika</author><text>For reference, here&amp;#x27;s what you can get with a properly tweaked Stable Diffusion, all running locally on my PC. Can be set up on almost any PC with a mid range GPU in a few minutes if you know what you&amp;#x27;re doing. I didn&amp;#x27;t do any cherry picking; this is the first thing it generated. 4 images per prompt.&lt;p&gt;1st prompt: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;i.postimg.cc&amp;#x2F;T3nZ9bQy&amp;#x2F;1st.png&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;i.postimg.cc&amp;#x2F;T3nZ9bQy&amp;#x2F;1st.png&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;2nd prompt: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;i.postimg.cc&amp;#x2F;XNFm3dSs&amp;#x2F;2nd.png&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;i.postimg.cc&amp;#x2F;XNFm3dSs&amp;#x2F;2nd.png&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;3rd prompt: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;i.postimg.cc&amp;#x2F;c1bCyqWR&amp;#x2F;3rd.png&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;i.postimg.cc&amp;#x2F;c1bCyqWR&amp;#x2F;3rd.png&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>bavell</author><text>I&amp;#x27;ve been playing with SD for a few months now and have only watched 20-30m of YT videos about it. There&amp;#x27;s only a few worth spending any time watching, and they&amp;#x27;re on specific workflows or techniques.&lt;p&gt;Best just to dive in if you&amp;#x27;re interested IMO. Otherwise you&amp;#x27;ll get lost in all the new jargon and ideas. Great place to start is the A1111 repo, lot of community resources available and batteries included.</text></comment>
<story><title>Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney</title><url>https://blog.usmanity.com/comparing-adobe-firefly-dalle-2-and-openjourney/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>TeMPOraL</author><text>Jaysus.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;m going to sound like an entitled whiny old guy shouting at clouds, but - what the hell; with all the knowledge being either locked and churned on Discord, or released in form of YouTube videos with no transcript and extremely low content density - how is anyone with a job supposed to keep up with this? Or is that a new form of gatekeeping - if you can&amp;#x27;t afford to burn a lot of time and attention as if in some kind of Proof of Work scheme, you&amp;#x27;re not allowed to play with the newest toys?&lt;p&gt;I mean, Discord I can sort of get - chit-chatting and shitposting is easier than writing articles or maintaining wikis, and it kind of grows organically from there. But YouTube? Surely making a video takes 10-100x the effort and cost, compared to writing an article with some screenshots, while also being 10x more costly to consume (in terms of wasted time and strained attention). How does &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; even work?</text></item><item><author>kouteiheika</author><text>&amp;gt; What would be the best learning site&amp;#x2F;resource for arriving at understanding how to integrate and manipulate SD with precision like that?&lt;p&gt;Honestly? Probably YouTube tutorials.</text></item><item><author>nomand</author><text>Is there a coherent resource (not a scattered &amp;#x27;just google it&amp;#x27; series of guides from all over the place) that encapsulates some of the concepts and workflows you&amp;#x27;re describing? What would be the best learning site&amp;#x2F;resource for arriving at understanding how to integrate and manipulate SD with precision like that? Thanks</text></item><item><author>orbital-decay</author><text>Are you using txt2img with the vanilla model? SD&amp;#x27;s actual value is in the large array of higher-order input methods and tooling; as a tradeoff, it requires more knowledge. Similarly to 3D CGI, it&amp;#x27;s a highly technical area. You don&amp;#x27;t just enter the prompt with it.&lt;p&gt;You can finetune it on your own material, or choose one of the hundreds of public finetuned models. You can guide it in a precise manner with a sketch or by extracting a pose from a photo using controlnets or any other method. You can influence the colors. You can explicitly separate prompt parts so the tokens don&amp;#x27;t leak into each other. You can use it as a photobashing tool with a plugin to popular image editing software. Things like ComfyUI enable extremely complicated pipelines as well. etc etc etc</text></item><item><author>ewjt</author><text>Can you elaborate on “properly tweaked”?  When I use one of the Stable Diffusion and AUTOMATIC1111 templates on runpod.io, the results are absolutely worthless.&lt;p&gt;This is using some of the popular prompts you can find on sites like prompthero that show amazing examples.&lt;p&gt;It’s been serious expectation vs. reality disappointment for me and so I just pay the MidJourney or DALL-E fees.</text></item><item><author>kouteiheika</author><text>For reference, here&amp;#x27;s what you can get with a properly tweaked Stable Diffusion, all running locally on my PC. Can be set up on almost any PC with a mid range GPU in a few minutes if you know what you&amp;#x27;re doing. I didn&amp;#x27;t do any cherry picking; this is the first thing it generated. 4 images per prompt.&lt;p&gt;1st prompt: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;i.postimg.cc&amp;#x2F;T3nZ9bQy&amp;#x2F;1st.png&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;i.postimg.cc&amp;#x2F;T3nZ9bQy&amp;#x2F;1st.png&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;2nd prompt: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;i.postimg.cc&amp;#x2F;XNFm3dSs&amp;#x2F;2nd.png&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;i.postimg.cc&amp;#x2F;XNFm3dSs&amp;#x2F;2nd.png&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;3rd prompt: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;i.postimg.cc&amp;#x2F;c1bCyqWR&amp;#x2F;3rd.png&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;i.postimg.cc&amp;#x2F;c1bCyqWR&amp;#x2F;3rd.png&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>orbital-decay</author><text>How does anyone keep up with anything? It&amp;#x27;s a visual thing. A lot of people are learning drawing, modeling, animation etc in the exact same way - by watching YouTube (a bit) and experimenting (a lot).</text></comment>