<story><title>Building end-to-end security for Messenger</title><url>https://engineering.fb.com/2023/12/06/security/building-end-to-end-security-for-messenger/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>contrarian1234</author><text>&amp;quot;Why we’re bringing E2EE to Messenger&lt;p&gt;...
“&lt;p&gt;Okay, can someone give a good guess as to what&amp;#x27;s the real reason to do this? Not like all the feel-good BS - what&amp;#x27;s the business case? How is this gunna make them money?&lt;p&gt;It seems this just makes them lose access to a ton of data to mine for advertisement. I chat with a friend on IG about something and I immediately get ads for it. It&amp;#x27;s a bit creepy, but I feel it&amp;#x27;s working the way they&amp;#x27;d want it to (never bring up watches, you will get watch ads for the next 6 months)&lt;p&gt;Are they bleeding a lot of user to Signal&amp;#x2F;Telegram b&amp;#x2F;c they lack encryption? (my impression is only nerds care about encryption)&lt;p&gt;Are they getting harassed by requests from law enforcement?&lt;p&gt;Are they in hot water b&amp;#x2F;c of child porn?&lt;p&gt;Do they need plausible deniability?&lt;p&gt;I don&amp;#x27;t really get why they&amp;#x27;re rolling this out. Like what&amp;#x27;s their angle. Seems like something users don&amp;#x27;t care too much about and they lose a ton of valuable data</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>holmesworcester</author><text>Maybe they&amp;#x27;re doing it because it&amp;#x27;s the right thing to do, and because they&amp;#x27;d like people to trust them.&lt;p&gt;Also: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;techcrunch.com&amp;#x2F;2023&amp;#x2F;07&amp;#x2F;11&amp;#x2F;teen-and-mom-plead-guilty-to-abortion-charges-based-on-facebook-data&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;techcrunch.com&amp;#x2F;2023&amp;#x2F;07&amp;#x2F;11&amp;#x2F;teen-and-mom-plead-guilty-...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;They must be able to do good targeted advertising without message contents, with public likes and other data on scrolling behavior, especially as AI tools improve. Maybe having this data is more trouble than it&amp;#x27;s worth. Data is a liability as well as an asset.</text></comment>
<story><title>Building end-to-end security for Messenger</title><url>https://engineering.fb.com/2023/12/06/security/building-end-to-end-security-for-messenger/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>contrarian1234</author><text>&amp;quot;Why we’re bringing E2EE to Messenger&lt;p&gt;...
“&lt;p&gt;Okay, can someone give a good guess as to what&amp;#x27;s the real reason to do this? Not like all the feel-good BS - what&amp;#x27;s the business case? How is this gunna make them money?&lt;p&gt;It seems this just makes them lose access to a ton of data to mine for advertisement. I chat with a friend on IG about something and I immediately get ads for it. It&amp;#x27;s a bit creepy, but I feel it&amp;#x27;s working the way they&amp;#x27;d want it to (never bring up watches, you will get watch ads for the next 6 months)&lt;p&gt;Are they bleeding a lot of user to Signal&amp;#x2F;Telegram b&amp;#x2F;c they lack encryption? (my impression is only nerds care about encryption)&lt;p&gt;Are they getting harassed by requests from law enforcement?&lt;p&gt;Are they in hot water b&amp;#x2F;c of child porn?&lt;p&gt;Do they need plausible deniability?&lt;p&gt;I don&amp;#x27;t really get why they&amp;#x27;re rolling this out. Like what&amp;#x27;s their angle. Seems like something users don&amp;#x27;t care too much about and they lose a ton of valuable data</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>planb</author><text>Encryption is a great argument against messenger-interop regulations like the EU is planning.&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.eff.org&amp;#x2F;de&amp;#x2F;deeplinks&amp;#x2F;2022&amp;#x2F;04&amp;#x2F;eu-digital-markets-acts-interoperability-rule-addresses-important-need-raises&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.eff.org&amp;#x2F;de&amp;#x2F;deeplinks&amp;#x2F;2022&amp;#x2F;04&amp;#x2F;eu-digital-markets-...&lt;/a&gt;</text></comment>