<story><title>Finland joins Sweden and Denmark in limiting Moderna Covid-19 vaccine</title><url>https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finland-pauses-use-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-young-men-2021-10-07/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>tptacek</author><text>The number of C19 fatalities under 30 in the US appears to easily exceed the number of vaccine-related myocarditis cases. The overwhelming majority of those myocarditis cases followed a benign course.&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Later&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;Another thing to consider is that the myocarditis rate from C19 itself may exceed that of the vaccine, which would basically refute the argument against vaccination.&lt;p&gt;(By all means, pick vaccines strategically.)</text></item><item><author>nabla9</author><text>It seems like if you take everything into account, taking the vaccine might not provide any benefit from men under 30. Any medical intervention must be  beneficial to justify the use. If it&amp;#x27;s so and so, or equal risk, then it&amp;#x27;s not done.&lt;p&gt;EDIT: The alternative is not stopping vaccinations. Men under 30 are given Pfizer.</text></item><item><author>yes_man</author><text>&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;thl.fi&amp;#x2F;en&amp;#x2F;web&amp;#x2F;thlfi-en&amp;#x2F;-&amp;#x2F;thl-monitoring-myocarditis-after-covid-19-vaccination-are-rare-in-finland-and-also-occur-in-those-infected-with-covid-19&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;thl.fi&amp;#x2F;en&amp;#x2F;web&amp;#x2F;thlfi-en&amp;#x2F;-&amp;#x2F;thl-monitoring-myocarditis-...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;According to Finnish Institute for Health and Welfare, an additional 4 cases per 100k men under the age of 30.&lt;p&gt;They also note that having covid is a risk factor for myocarditis. So perhaps still worth it to take the shot.&lt;p&gt;Possibly they are doing this to put out the antivax wildfires in social media by reacting to statistical information about risks. So as to show that when there are scientifically established risks, there will be reaction to that as well.</text></item><item><author>ceejayoz</author><text>&amp;gt; &amp;quot;A Nordic study involving Finland, Sweden, Norway and Denmark found that men under the age of 30 who received Moderna Spikevax had a slightly higher risk than others of developing myocarditis,&amp;quot; he said.&lt;p&gt;I find it frustrating that we’re still not putting numbers on statements like this in news articles. How slight?</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>bjourne</author><text>Even if the benefits outweigh the drawbacks for society you cannot make that calculation. You cannot administer a vaccine to a healthy person just because it doesn&amp;#x27;t increase their risk of dying as much as it decreases someone else&amp;#x27;s risk of surviving. Young healthy men should not be coerced into accepting an elevated risk because getting to herd immunity or whatever might save old and at risk persons.&lt;p&gt;For children and healthy young people below the age of 30, Covid is mostly harmless (&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.bbc.com&amp;#x2F;news&amp;#x2F;health-57766717&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.bbc.com&amp;#x2F;news&amp;#x2F;health-57766717&lt;/a&gt;). The risk of vaccination may actually be higher since the vaccines currently used aren&amp;#x27;t fully researched nor fully approved yet. The situation is not black or white. Vaccination may be very useful for people aged 50 and above but at the same time counterproductive for children.</text></comment>
<story><title>Finland joins Sweden and Denmark in limiting Moderna Covid-19 vaccine</title><url>https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finland-pauses-use-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-young-men-2021-10-07/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>tptacek</author><text>The number of C19 fatalities under 30 in the US appears to easily exceed the number of vaccine-related myocarditis cases. The overwhelming majority of those myocarditis cases followed a benign course.&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Later&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;Another thing to consider is that the myocarditis rate from C19 itself may exceed that of the vaccine, which would basically refute the argument against vaccination.&lt;p&gt;(By all means, pick vaccines strategically.)</text></item><item><author>nabla9</author><text>It seems like if you take everything into account, taking the vaccine might not provide any benefit from men under 30. Any medical intervention must be  beneficial to justify the use. If it&amp;#x27;s so and so, or equal risk, then it&amp;#x27;s not done.&lt;p&gt;EDIT: The alternative is not stopping vaccinations. Men under 30 are given Pfizer.</text></item><item><author>yes_man</author><text>&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;thl.fi&amp;#x2F;en&amp;#x2F;web&amp;#x2F;thlfi-en&amp;#x2F;-&amp;#x2F;thl-monitoring-myocarditis-after-covid-19-vaccination-are-rare-in-finland-and-also-occur-in-those-infected-with-covid-19&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;thl.fi&amp;#x2F;en&amp;#x2F;web&amp;#x2F;thlfi-en&amp;#x2F;-&amp;#x2F;thl-monitoring-myocarditis-...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;According to Finnish Institute for Health and Welfare, an additional 4 cases per 100k men under the age of 30.&lt;p&gt;They also note that having covid is a risk factor for myocarditis. So perhaps still worth it to take the shot.&lt;p&gt;Possibly they are doing this to put out the antivax wildfires in social media by reacting to statistical information about risks. So as to show that when there are scientifically established risks, there will be reaction to that as well.</text></item><item><author>ceejayoz</author><text>&amp;gt; &amp;quot;A Nordic study involving Finland, Sweden, Norway and Denmark found that men under the age of 30 who received Moderna Spikevax had a slightly higher risk than others of developing myocarditis,&amp;quot; he said.&lt;p&gt;I find it frustrating that we’re still not putting numbers on statements like this in news articles. How slight?</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>zosima</author><text>But the vast majority of covid fatalities under 30, would be in people with comorbidities.&lt;p&gt;You could easily argue for vaccinating everyone with comorbidities &amp;lt;30, without arguing for vaccinating everyone.&lt;p&gt;Also, even in apparently benign myocarditis, there may be heart damage which will not become apparent for many years.</text></comment>