<story><title>GCE down in all regions</title><url>https://status.cloud.google.com/incident/compute/16007</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>huslage</author><text>I&amp;#x27;m admittedly biased, but have you checked out Docker Cloud? &lt;a href=&quot;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;cloud.docker.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;cloud.docker.com&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>jordanthoms</author><text>Switching from ECS to GKE (Google Container Engine) currently. Both seem overcomplex for the simpler cases of deploying apps (and provide a lot of flexibility in return), but I have found the performance of GKE (e.g. time for configuration changes to be applied, new containers booted, etc) to be vastly superior. The networking is also much better, GKE has overlay networking so your containers can talk to each other and the outside world pretty smoothly.&lt;p&gt;GKE has good commandline tools but the web interface is even more limited than ECS&amp;#x27;s is - I assume at some point they&amp;#x27;ll integrate the Kubernetes webui into the GCP console.&lt;p&gt;GKE is still pretty immature though, more so than I realized when I started working with it. The deployments API (which is a huge improvement) has only just landed, and the integration with load balancing and SSL etc is still very green. ECS is also pretty immature though.</text></item><item><author>sandGorgon</author><text>Can you talk about this? I have been spectacularly unsuccessful at using ECS (and currently run my VMs on a vanilla Debian ec2 instance)</text></item><item><author>gtaylor</author><text>I&amp;#x27;ve been overall very impressed with the direction of Google Cloud over the last year. I feel like their container strategy is much better than Amazon&amp;#x27;s ECS in that the core is built on open source technology.&lt;p&gt;This can wipe away a lot of goodwill, though. A worldwide outage is catastrophic and embarrassing. AWS has had some pretty spectacular failures in us-east (which has a huge chunk of the web running within it), but I&amp;#x27;m not sure that I can recall a global outage. To my understanding, these systems are built specifically &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; to let failures spill over to other regions.&lt;p&gt;Ah well. Godspeed to anyone affected by this, including the SREs over at Google!</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>vhab</author><text>While not Docker Cloud specifically, when we eyeballed UCP we found it very underwhelming when pitted against Kubernetes.&lt;p&gt;To us it appeared yet another in a sea of many orchestration tools that will give you a very quick and impressive &amp;quot;Hello World&amp;quot;, but then fail to adapt to real world situations.&lt;p&gt;This is what Kubernetes really has going for it, every release adds more blocks and tools that are useful and composable targeting real world use (and allow many of us crazies to deal with the oddball and quirky behavior our fleet of applications may have), not just a single path of how applications would ideally work.&lt;p&gt;This generally has been a trend with Docker&amp;#x27;s tooling outside of Docker itself unfortunately.
Similarly docker-compose is great for our development boxes, but nowhere near useful for production.
And it doesn&amp;#x27;t help Docker&amp;#x27;s enterprise offerings still steer you towards using docker-compose and the likes.</text></comment>
<story><title>GCE down in all regions</title><url>https://status.cloud.google.com/incident/compute/16007</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>huslage</author><text>I&amp;#x27;m admittedly biased, but have you checked out Docker Cloud? &lt;a href=&quot;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;cloud.docker.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;cloud.docker.com&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>jordanthoms</author><text>Switching from ECS to GKE (Google Container Engine) currently. Both seem overcomplex for the simpler cases of deploying apps (and provide a lot of flexibility in return), but I have found the performance of GKE (e.g. time for configuration changes to be applied, new containers booted, etc) to be vastly superior. The networking is also much better, GKE has overlay networking so your containers can talk to each other and the outside world pretty smoothly.&lt;p&gt;GKE has good commandline tools but the web interface is even more limited than ECS&amp;#x27;s is - I assume at some point they&amp;#x27;ll integrate the Kubernetes webui into the GCP console.&lt;p&gt;GKE is still pretty immature though, more so than I realized when I started working with it. The deployments API (which is a huge improvement) has only just landed, and the integration with load balancing and SSL etc is still very green. ECS is also pretty immature though.</text></item><item><author>sandGorgon</author><text>Can you talk about this? I have been spectacularly unsuccessful at using ECS (and currently run my VMs on a vanilla Debian ec2 instance)</text></item><item><author>gtaylor</author><text>I&amp;#x27;ve been overall very impressed with the direction of Google Cloud over the last year. I feel like their container strategy is much better than Amazon&amp;#x27;s ECS in that the core is built on open source technology.&lt;p&gt;This can wipe away a lot of goodwill, though. A worldwide outage is catastrophic and embarrassing. AWS has had some pretty spectacular failures in us-east (which has a huge chunk of the web running within it), but I&amp;#x27;m not sure that I can recall a global outage. To my understanding, these systems are built specifically &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; to let failures spill over to other regions.&lt;p&gt;Ah well. Godspeed to anyone affected by this, including the SREs over at Google!</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>akanet</author><text>Not to bash, but the page you linked is classic Docker - it says literally &lt;i&gt;nothing&lt;/i&gt; about what &amp;quot;Docker Cloud&amp;quot; is.&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;BUILD SHIP &amp;amp; RUN, ANY APP, ANYWHERE&amp;quot; is the slogan they repeat everywhere, including here, and it means even less everytime they do it. What IS Docker Cloud? Is it like Swarm? Does it use Swarm? What kinds of customers is Docker Cloud especially good at helping? All these mysteries and more, resolved never.</text></comment>