<story><title>Snowden Disclosures Finally Hit 12 on a Scale of 1 to 10</title><url>http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2013/09/snowden-disclosures-nsa-bombshell-decryption</url><text></text></story><parent_chain><item><author>malandrew</author><text>&lt;p&gt;&lt;pre&gt;&lt;code&gt;    &amp;quot;For what it&amp;#x27;s worth, this is about the point where I get 
    off the Snowden train. It&amp;#x27;s true that some of these 
    disclosures are of clear public interest. In particular, 
    I&amp;#x27;m thinking about the details of NSA efforts to 
    infiltrate and corrupt the standards setting groups that 
    produce commercial crypto schemes.&amp;quot;
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If anything this new information should put more people on the Snowden train. In the 90s, legislation was proposed which would have put backdoors everywhere via the Clipper Chip. Back then, we voted against that bill and all was good. This new information is shocking because we&amp;#x27;ve already told the government that backdooring things was unacceptable behavior, yet they&amp;#x27;ve done so anyways. We should all be outraged by this because it clearly doesn&amp;#x27;t represent the interest of the people.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>windexh8er</author><text>Kevin Drum (edited name) was relegated to an old guy who really doesn&amp;#x27;t get it when I read that paragraph.  I understand the need to the NSA to have countermeasures and options - however this &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; in the public interest as it puts disclosure, privacy and breach laws in a very awkward position.  It also asserts that there is no expectation of privacy within US borders on the Internet - that is unacceptable and complete bull shit.  Soghoian said it best recently when he stated that it is not OK for the NSA to possess dragnet capabilities on all crypto.&lt;p&gt;Sorry Kevin, I think you&amp;#x27;ve gotten off the wrong train - you landed in the land of complacency.</text></comment>
<story><title>Snowden Disclosures Finally Hit 12 on a Scale of 1 to 10</title><url>http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2013/09/snowden-disclosures-nsa-bombshell-decryption</url><text></text></story><parent_chain><item><author>malandrew</author><text>&lt;p&gt;&lt;pre&gt;&lt;code&gt;    &amp;quot;For what it&amp;#x27;s worth, this is about the point where I get 
    off the Snowden train. It&amp;#x27;s true that some of these 
    disclosures are of clear public interest. In particular, 
    I&amp;#x27;m thinking about the details of NSA efforts to 
    infiltrate and corrupt the standards setting groups that 
    produce commercial crypto schemes.&amp;quot;
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If anything this new information should put more people on the Snowden train. In the 90s, legislation was proposed which would have put backdoors everywhere via the Clipper Chip. Back then, we voted against that bill and all was good. This new information is shocking because we&amp;#x27;ve already told the government that backdooring things was unacceptable behavior, yet they&amp;#x27;ve done so anyways. We should all be outraged by this because it clearly doesn&amp;#x27;t represent the interest of the people.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>anigbrowl</author><text>I can&amp;#x27;t any record of a Congressional vote on the subject, only that its adoption was the subject of a proposed FIPS  #185. I don&amp;#x27;t think your statement above is founded in fact.&lt;p&gt;I refer you to Michael Froomkin&amp;#x27;s lengthy but readable analysis from 1996: &lt;a href=&quot;http://osaka.law.miami.edu/~froomkin/articles/planet_clipper.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;osaka.law.miami.edu&amp;#x2F;~froomkin&amp;#x2F;articles&amp;#x2F;planet_clipper...&lt;/a&gt;</text></comment>