<story><title>Tesla FSD data is getting worse, according to beta tester self-reports</title><url>https://electrek.co/2022/12/14/tesla-full-self-driving-data-awful-challenge-elon-musk-prove-otherwise/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>elorant</author><text>Fuck panel gaps. Just look at the quality of the interior. You’re paying 100k for a car that has worse quality than a Ford. Everything is plastic, there are no button knobs anywhere, no panel in front of the driver, the leather on the seats doesn’t feel like leather etc. I mean I get it that half the price of the car is in batteries and R&amp;amp;D, but still you can’t even compare it to a 50k Volvo. It’s just crap. And now that the big manufacturers are moving into electric cars Tesla’s got a lot of serious completion to face from companies who know how to treat a customer who&amp;#x27;s paying big bucks.</text></item><item><author>traceroute66</author><text>&amp;gt; Mercedes is a real car company with real engineers and a gold-standard reputation to maintain.&lt;p&gt;Not only that, but they have a quality reputation to uphold with their domestic (German) and regional (European) market.&lt;p&gt;Your average discerning German car buyer (i.e. the sort who has a Porsche 911, or a higher-end Audi&amp;#x2F;BMW&amp;#x2F;Merc) in their garage will swiftly tell you about numerous problems with the Tesla before they&amp;#x27;ve even sat in it.&lt;p&gt;Panel gaps, for example. They mean a lot to your average discerning German, and your average Tesla has them by the bucket load.&lt;p&gt;In fact, the German in-joke is that the reason Tesla built a factory in Germany is so that the Germans could (try to) teach them how to fix the panel gaps.  :-)</text></item><item><author>lolinder</author><text>Yep.&lt;p&gt;Mercedes has these limitations not because their tech is less capable than Tesla&amp;#x27;s but because Mercedes is a real car company with real engineers and a gold-standard reputation to maintain.&lt;p&gt;Tesla, in contrast, is a software company that is trying to take &amp;quot;move fast and break things&amp;quot; into the two-ton 75mph vehicle space, with predictable results.</text></item><item><author>danso</author><text>Earlier this year when Mercedes announced its Level 3 &amp;quot;Drive Pilot&amp;quot; system [0], a lot of Tesla stans mocked its limitations, which to be honest, &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; quite numerous on the face of it:&lt;p&gt;- Only allowed on limited-access divided highways with no stoplights, roundabouts, or other traffic control systems&lt;p&gt;- Limited to a top speed of less than 40 mph&lt;p&gt;- Operates only during the daytime and in clear weather&lt;p&gt;But the big promise from Mercedes is that it would take legal liability for any accidents that occurs during Drive Pilot&amp;#x27;s operation, something that Tesla doesn&amp;#x27;t appear to be even thinking about wrt Autopilot and FSD.&lt;p&gt;I would love someone to goad&amp;#x2F;challenge Tesla to step up to Mercedes. If FSD is so much better than Drive Pilot, then why doesn&amp;#x27;t Tesla agree to provide a &amp;quot;safe mode&amp;quot; for FSD, that operates with the exact same restrictions as Mercedes&amp;#x27; D-P, and offers the same legal protections to any users who happen to get into accidents during &amp;quot;safe mode&amp;quot; FSD operation?&lt;p&gt;[0] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.roadandtrack.com&amp;#x2F;news&amp;#x2F;a39481699&amp;#x2F;what-happens-if-mercedes-drivepilot-causes-a-crash&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.roadandtrack.com&amp;#x2F;news&amp;#x2F;a39481699&amp;#x2F;what-happens-if-...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>solardev</author><text>Yeah... it&amp;#x27;s funny, but I wanted a Tesla real bad before I actually sat in a friend&amp;#x27;s. The UX sucks. Everything from opening the door to trying to access the AC or glove compartment was a pain in the ass.&lt;p&gt;Nevermind FSD accidents, I think I&amp;#x27;d get myself killed just trying to turn down the heat on that giant touchscreen.</text></comment>
<story><title>Tesla FSD data is getting worse, according to beta tester self-reports</title><url>https://electrek.co/2022/12/14/tesla-full-self-driving-data-awful-challenge-elon-musk-prove-otherwise/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>elorant</author><text>Fuck panel gaps. Just look at the quality of the interior. You’re paying 100k for a car that has worse quality than a Ford. Everything is plastic, there are no button knobs anywhere, no panel in front of the driver, the leather on the seats doesn’t feel like leather etc. I mean I get it that half the price of the car is in batteries and R&amp;amp;D, but still you can’t even compare it to a 50k Volvo. It’s just crap. And now that the big manufacturers are moving into electric cars Tesla’s got a lot of serious completion to face from companies who know how to treat a customer who&amp;#x27;s paying big bucks.</text></item><item><author>traceroute66</author><text>&amp;gt; Mercedes is a real car company with real engineers and a gold-standard reputation to maintain.&lt;p&gt;Not only that, but they have a quality reputation to uphold with their domestic (German) and regional (European) market.&lt;p&gt;Your average discerning German car buyer (i.e. the sort who has a Porsche 911, or a higher-end Audi&amp;#x2F;BMW&amp;#x2F;Merc) in their garage will swiftly tell you about numerous problems with the Tesla before they&amp;#x27;ve even sat in it.&lt;p&gt;Panel gaps, for example. They mean a lot to your average discerning German, and your average Tesla has them by the bucket load.&lt;p&gt;In fact, the German in-joke is that the reason Tesla built a factory in Germany is so that the Germans could (try to) teach them how to fix the panel gaps.  :-)</text></item><item><author>lolinder</author><text>Yep.&lt;p&gt;Mercedes has these limitations not because their tech is less capable than Tesla&amp;#x27;s but because Mercedes is a real car company with real engineers and a gold-standard reputation to maintain.&lt;p&gt;Tesla, in contrast, is a software company that is trying to take &amp;quot;move fast and break things&amp;quot; into the two-ton 75mph vehicle space, with predictable results.</text></item><item><author>danso</author><text>Earlier this year when Mercedes announced its Level 3 &amp;quot;Drive Pilot&amp;quot; system [0], a lot of Tesla stans mocked its limitations, which to be honest, &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; quite numerous on the face of it:&lt;p&gt;- Only allowed on limited-access divided highways with no stoplights, roundabouts, or other traffic control systems&lt;p&gt;- Limited to a top speed of less than 40 mph&lt;p&gt;- Operates only during the daytime and in clear weather&lt;p&gt;But the big promise from Mercedes is that it would take legal liability for any accidents that occurs during Drive Pilot&amp;#x27;s operation, something that Tesla doesn&amp;#x27;t appear to be even thinking about wrt Autopilot and FSD.&lt;p&gt;I would love someone to goad&amp;#x2F;challenge Tesla to step up to Mercedes. If FSD is so much better than Drive Pilot, then why doesn&amp;#x27;t Tesla agree to provide a &amp;quot;safe mode&amp;quot; for FSD, that operates with the exact same restrictions as Mercedes&amp;#x27; D-P, and offers the same legal protections to any users who happen to get into accidents during &amp;quot;safe mode&amp;quot; FSD operation?&lt;p&gt;[0] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.roadandtrack.com&amp;#x2F;news&amp;#x2F;a39481699&amp;#x2F;what-happens-if-mercedes-drivepilot-causes-a-crash&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.roadandtrack.com&amp;#x2F;news&amp;#x2F;a39481699&amp;#x2F;what-happens-if-...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>ryantgtg</author><text>Serious competition is good!&lt;p&gt;I just replaced my Audi Q5 with a Tesla Model Y (which... wasn&amp;#x27;t $100k). No panel gaps, no other problems, and the overall quality feels nicer than the Audi. Shrug!&lt;p&gt;Anyway, yeah, the next few years look really exciting for consumer EVs. So many announcements in 2022.</text></comment>