<story><title>China CCP to Nationalize Jack Ma&apos;s Alibaba and Ant Group – Report</title><url>https://www.ibtimes.sg/china-ccp-nationalize-jack-mas-alibaba-ant-group-54444</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>toomuchtodo</author><text>I am most surprised about &lt;i&gt;how surprised&lt;/i&gt; everyone is about these events. Did Jack Ma think he was going to tell the CCP how it is? China is executing an executive for &lt;i&gt;bribery and corruption&lt;/i&gt; [1] (a lot of bribery and corruption though!).&lt;p&gt;Perhaps it&amp;#x27;s simply the Overton Window [2] delta between the US and China.&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.dw.com&amp;#x2F;en&amp;#x2F;china-sentences-ex-banker-to-death-for-corruption-bribery&amp;#x2F;a-56132658&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.dw.com&amp;#x2F;en&amp;#x2F;china-sentences-ex-banker-to-death-for...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;[2] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Overton_window&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Overton_window&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;(nothing in this comment should be construed as approval, support, etc for the actions of the CCP; this is only intended as an observation)</text></item><item><author>rootsudo</author><text>Wow. This, alongside Jack Ma being &amp;quot;missing&amp;quot;, is really curious.&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;au.finance.yahoo.com&amp;#x2F;news&amp;#x2F;jack-ma-missing-232138645.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;au.finance.yahoo.com&amp;#x2F;news&amp;#x2F;jack-ma-missing-232138645....&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Best, semi-legit source I can find, there&amp;#x27;s other news postings, but from more tabloid and sources that aren&amp;#x27;t as sincere as Yahoo Financial News.&lt;p&gt;Which, itself is curious, because CNBC spins it differently:&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.cnbc.com&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;01&amp;#x2F;05&amp;#x2F;alibaba-founder-jack-ma-is-laying-low-for-the-time-being-not-missing.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.cnbc.com&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;01&amp;#x2F;05&amp;#x2F;alibaba-founder-jack-ma-is-l...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;Which also falls under the AU-CN struggle, but also curious about how CNBC did not outright say he&amp;#x27;s missing yet.&lt;p&gt;And technically, both could be correct, imprisoned means missing from society but not exactly &amp;quot;missing&amp;quot; in terms of knowing general wherebouts.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>cbozeman</author><text>&amp;gt; Did Jack Ma think he was going to tell the CCP how it is?&lt;p&gt;Yes, I did actually. There&amp;#x27;s every reason to believe that the people installed to run Alibaba &amp;#x2F; Ant after Jack gets sent off to &amp;quot;re-education camp&amp;quot; will be unable to propel it to further heights. Stagnation is likely as good as it&amp;#x27;ll get and there&amp;#x27;s every reason to believe it&amp;#x27;ll be run into the ground eventually.&lt;p&gt;I see Jack Ma as a sort of Chinese Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos. Shooting yourself in the foot like this seems to be incredibly stupid. American government officials would never consider even hobbling someone like Jeff Bezos... that could be partially out of fear (he could literally just liquidate a portion of his wealth and have someone else elected in your place through campaign contribution), but its more because of the incredible value someone like a Bezos, Musk, or Ma brings to your economy.</text></comment>
<story><title>China CCP to Nationalize Jack Ma&apos;s Alibaba and Ant Group – Report</title><url>https://www.ibtimes.sg/china-ccp-nationalize-jack-mas-alibaba-ant-group-54444</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>toomuchtodo</author><text>I am most surprised about &lt;i&gt;how surprised&lt;/i&gt; everyone is about these events. Did Jack Ma think he was going to tell the CCP how it is? China is executing an executive for &lt;i&gt;bribery and corruption&lt;/i&gt; [1] (a lot of bribery and corruption though!).&lt;p&gt;Perhaps it&amp;#x27;s simply the Overton Window [2] delta between the US and China.&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.dw.com&amp;#x2F;en&amp;#x2F;china-sentences-ex-banker-to-death-for-corruption-bribery&amp;#x2F;a-56132658&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.dw.com&amp;#x2F;en&amp;#x2F;china-sentences-ex-banker-to-death-for...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;[2] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Overton_window&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Overton_window&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;(nothing in this comment should be construed as approval, support, etc for the actions of the CCP; this is only intended as an observation)</text></item><item><author>rootsudo</author><text>Wow. This, alongside Jack Ma being &amp;quot;missing&amp;quot;, is really curious.&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;au.finance.yahoo.com&amp;#x2F;news&amp;#x2F;jack-ma-missing-232138645.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;au.finance.yahoo.com&amp;#x2F;news&amp;#x2F;jack-ma-missing-232138645....&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Best, semi-legit source I can find, there&amp;#x27;s other news postings, but from more tabloid and sources that aren&amp;#x27;t as sincere as Yahoo Financial News.&lt;p&gt;Which, itself is curious, because CNBC spins it differently:&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.cnbc.com&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;01&amp;#x2F;05&amp;#x2F;alibaba-founder-jack-ma-is-laying-low-for-the-time-being-not-missing.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.cnbc.com&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;01&amp;#x2F;05&amp;#x2F;alibaba-founder-jack-ma-is-l...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;Which also falls under the AU-CN struggle, but also curious about how CNBC did not outright say he&amp;#x27;s missing yet.&lt;p&gt;And technically, both could be correct, imprisoned means missing from society but not exactly &amp;quot;missing&amp;quot; in terms of knowing general wherebouts.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>mc32</author><text>I think Bribery in China is like the book&amp;#x2F;film the firm with regard to “having the goods” for blackmail or in this case Control of party officials via corruption.&lt;p&gt;They look bribery the other way the great majority of the time.  Everyone does it, but when they want you, they have air tight, iron clad evidence against you and everyone they need to take down.</text></comment>