<story><title>FBI raids researcher who discovered private patient data on public server (2016)</title><url>https://www.dailydot.com/debug/justin-shafer-fbi-raid/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>brigandish</author><text>&amp;gt; As they handcuffed him, his 9-year-old daughter cried in terror&lt;p&gt;The police in America are well beyond the line of &amp;quot;citizen&amp;quot; police, you have the continental European model of two police forces, civil and military, and it&amp;#x27;s hard to see that there&amp;#x27;s much civil, it&amp;#x27;s more like ordinarily armed military force and a ready-for-war military force. It hasn&amp;#x27;t helped produce liberty or better enforcement in Europe, I can&amp;#x27;t see why Americans have allowed it to become their model.&lt;p&gt;This discussion about no-knock warrants&amp;#x2F;raids[1] has a similar feel, an offence against common law, liberty, and above all, good sense.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; I was in my boxer shorts when I heard my mother‐ in‐ law scream. It was a loud, fearful scream. I ran to the window, where I saw three or four men dressed in black with high‐ caliber rifles in my yard approaching my house.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; I then heard an explosion, which was the sound of my door being blown open, followed by immediate gun fire. There were loud noises, the sounds of boots, and then more gunfire.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; I hit the floor and began to yell, “I’m upstairs; please don’t shoot!” The men in black had me walk downstairs backwards, in my boxer shorts, with my hands in the air. I still can see two high‐ caliber rifles pointed at me. At the bottom of the stairs, they bound my hands, pulled me across the living room, and forced me to kneel on the floor in front of my broken door. I thought it was a home invasion. I was fearful that I was about to be executed.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; I could see my mother‐ in‐ law bound, lying face down on the kitchen floor. Payton, my older dog, was lying dead in a pool of his own blood on the other side of the living room. I soon learned that my younger dog, Chase, was dead in a back room, where he had been shot from behind as he ran away. There were perhaps a dozen men in black, just standing around in my living room. I asked for a warrant. They said that they did not have it with them, but one was en route.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; For most of the nearly four‐ hour ordeal, I was being interrogated, half‐ dressed in my living room and then in my kitchen. It was surreal.&lt;p&gt;If it can happen to a mayor it can happen to anyone.&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.cato.org&amp;#x2F;policy-report&amp;#x2F;november&amp;#x2F;december-2008&amp;#x2F;should-no-knock-police-raids-be-rare-or-routine&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.cato.org&amp;#x2F;policy-report&amp;#x2F;november&amp;#x2F;december-2008&amp;#x2F;sh...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Edit: formatting</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>sofixa</author><text>What are you talking about civil and military police in &amp;quot;continental Europe&amp;quot;? In most countries there&amp;#x27;s a military police which polices the military, a police which polices regular peope, sometimes a gendermerie which is sometimes nominally a part of the army under civilian control, and which is either for policing the countryside - France or for riot control&amp;#x2F;backup and special cases (e.g. a football match that requires lots of police) - most of Eastern Europe. In the latter case they&amp;#x27;re sometimes more hevily armed, but not even close to US police. And idepedently of those there are special heavy units for counterterrorism stuff and similar (akin to US SWAT), which can be a part of either entity - in France there&amp;#x27;s one at both and they work together. But they&amp;#x27;re deployed only in very specific and heavy cases.&lt;p&gt;In any case, the problems with policing in Europe aren&amp;#x27;t even close to those in the US, and i don&amp;#x27;t think any of then can be attributed to hving two policing entities with different scopes.</text></comment>
<story><title>FBI raids researcher who discovered private patient data on public server (2016)</title><url>https://www.dailydot.com/debug/justin-shafer-fbi-raid/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>brigandish</author><text>&amp;gt; As they handcuffed him, his 9-year-old daughter cried in terror&lt;p&gt;The police in America are well beyond the line of &amp;quot;citizen&amp;quot; police, you have the continental European model of two police forces, civil and military, and it&amp;#x27;s hard to see that there&amp;#x27;s much civil, it&amp;#x27;s more like ordinarily armed military force and a ready-for-war military force. It hasn&amp;#x27;t helped produce liberty or better enforcement in Europe, I can&amp;#x27;t see why Americans have allowed it to become their model.&lt;p&gt;This discussion about no-knock warrants&amp;#x2F;raids[1] has a similar feel, an offence against common law, liberty, and above all, good sense.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; I was in my boxer shorts when I heard my mother‐ in‐ law scream. It was a loud, fearful scream. I ran to the window, where I saw three or four men dressed in black with high‐ caliber rifles in my yard approaching my house.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; I then heard an explosion, which was the sound of my door being blown open, followed by immediate gun fire. There were loud noises, the sounds of boots, and then more gunfire.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; I hit the floor and began to yell, “I’m upstairs; please don’t shoot!” The men in black had me walk downstairs backwards, in my boxer shorts, with my hands in the air. I still can see two high‐ caliber rifles pointed at me. At the bottom of the stairs, they bound my hands, pulled me across the living room, and forced me to kneel on the floor in front of my broken door. I thought it was a home invasion. I was fearful that I was about to be executed.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; I could see my mother‐ in‐ law bound, lying face down on the kitchen floor. Payton, my older dog, was lying dead in a pool of his own blood on the other side of the living room. I soon learned that my younger dog, Chase, was dead in a back room, where he had been shot from behind as he ran away. There were perhaps a dozen men in black, just standing around in my living room. I asked for a warrant. They said that they did not have it with them, but one was en route.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; For most of the nearly four‐ hour ordeal, I was being interrogated, half‐ dressed in my living room and then in my kitchen. It was surreal.&lt;p&gt;If it can happen to a mayor it can happen to anyone.&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.cato.org&amp;#x2F;policy-report&amp;#x2F;november&amp;#x2F;december-2008&amp;#x2F;should-no-knock-police-raids-be-rare-or-routine&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.cato.org&amp;#x2F;policy-report&amp;#x2F;november&amp;#x2F;december-2008&amp;#x2F;sh...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Edit: formatting</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>__m</author><text>This sounds more like the American model. In Germany for example the SEK was formed after SWAT, in response to a terror attack in Munich. Unless there is some serious crime, where guns are involved, the judge won’t send a special unit. Pictures of guns drawn on unarmed people seem to be mostly coming from the US.</text></comment>