<story><title>How China Systematically Pries Technology from U.S. Companies</title><url>https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-china-systematically-pries-technology-from-u-s-companies-1537972066</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>diego_moita</author><text>And so what???&lt;p&gt;The US pried the textile and locomotives industries from the UK, check the history of Samuel Slater[1]. Same happened for Japan under Meiji restoration. India and Brazil do the same for pharmaceutical patents, because they&amp;#x27;re too poor to afford paying them.&lt;p&gt;Stealing IP will happen, no matter what treaties and governments try to do. For poor countries it is a path they just don&amp;#x27;t have the luxury of giving up.&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Samuel_Slater&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Samuel_Slater&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Edit: over-patriotic Americans seem to think this is just about them and call my argument whataboutism. It isn&amp;#x27;t both. I am stressing the fact that protectionism and stealing IP is a path almost every industrialized nation took. Even the UK did protectionism against India textiles to help their beginning textile industry.&lt;p&gt;The industrialized countries are trying to close the gates they used to get into their rich garden. My point is that right or wrong, moral or not, it simply won&amp;#x27;t work.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>rndmize</author><text>&amp;gt; Stealing IP will happen, no matter what treaties and governments try to do. For poor countries it is a path they just don&amp;#x27;t have the luxury of giving up.&lt;p&gt;I feel like this misses the point. I don&amp;#x27;t expect people to complain much about IP being stolen by competitors - that feels like an security&amp;#x2F;internal problem.&lt;p&gt;The issue with China seems to be that they force partnerships with Chinese companies, resulting in western companies having to share their IP, and when that IP is used outside of the constraints of whatever contract was created and the western company complains, the Chinese government colludes with the Chinese company to stymie or exploit the western company as much as can be done without breaking the relationship.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;m also not going to say whether this is right or wrong - just that the feeling I get from the whole thing (as someone who doesn&amp;#x27;t follow this stuff that closely) is that the government efforts go beyond what others have done in the past (which I understand to be more subsidizing industries to boot them up).</text></comment>
<story><title>How China Systematically Pries Technology from U.S. Companies</title><url>https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-china-systematically-pries-technology-from-u-s-companies-1537972066</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>diego_moita</author><text>And so what???&lt;p&gt;The US pried the textile and locomotives industries from the UK, check the history of Samuel Slater[1]. Same happened for Japan under Meiji restoration. India and Brazil do the same for pharmaceutical patents, because they&amp;#x27;re too poor to afford paying them.&lt;p&gt;Stealing IP will happen, no matter what treaties and governments try to do. For poor countries it is a path they just don&amp;#x27;t have the luxury of giving up.&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Samuel_Slater&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Samuel_Slater&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Edit: over-patriotic Americans seem to think this is just about them and call my argument whataboutism. It isn&amp;#x27;t both. I am stressing the fact that protectionism and stealing IP is a path almost every industrialized nation took. Even the UK did protectionism against India textiles to help their beginning textile industry.&lt;p&gt;The industrialized countries are trying to close the gates they used to get into their rich garden. My point is that right or wrong, moral or not, it simply won&amp;#x27;t work.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>rayiner</author><text>The fact that we did it to the UK doesn&amp;#x27;t mean it&amp;#x27;s good for us to let China do it too. I mean, we exterminated the native Americans and stole their land--if someone tried to do that to us, should we sit back and do nothing? &amp;quot;Oh well, cosmic balance and whatnot!&amp;quot;</text></comment>