<story><title>macOS Monterey</title><url>https://www.apple.com/macos/monterey/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>forgotmyoldname</author><text>I use Photoshop for art. Unfortunately, all other desktop software just isn&amp;#x27;t good, but thankfully Procreate is absolutely amazing software that I can use on my iPad (if you&amp;#x27;re reading this, devs, please port it to macOS. There are countless artists that&amp;#x27;ll pay to switch to a non-subscription based, non-Adobe piece of software that doesn&amp;#x27;t suck). But for desktop, I really have no choice but to buy into the Adobe scheme.&lt;p&gt;But yes, Creative Cloud is seriously completely fucking nuts. It&amp;#x27;s shit I do not and will not ever need or want for any reason and exists just to burn through my electric bill and contribute to climate change. Trying to find ways to disable it gives you cheeky employees who post marketing fluff about how it enables consumer whatever BS, but nobody can explain what those 8 dozen background tasks are doing or why we can&amp;#x27;t disable it.&lt;p&gt;I resorted to just deleting parts of the software package one by one. Most background tasks are gone. I made the mistake of updating one (1) time and the number of background tasks &lt;i&gt;doubled&lt;/i&gt;. Absolute insanity. Nearly gigabytes of memory swallowed and CPU cycles wasted doing &lt;i&gt;nothing&lt;/i&gt;. For all I know, it&amp;#x27;s nothing but crypto mining processes--and honestly, it probably is since Adobe has shown themselves to be money hungry and absolutely nobody can or will say what those processes are.</text></item><item><author>0xFACEFEED</author><text>I need this so badly. True story:&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;ve been eagerly awaiting a new Macbook to completely rid myself of Adobe software.&lt;p&gt;Over the past decade I&amp;#x27;ve considered installing Adobe software but always held back because of how intrusive and shady the software is (I checked on friends&amp;#x27; computers). I&amp;#x27;ve been able to work around having to edit PDFs and used Figma in place of Photoshop for my very basic graphical needs.&lt;p&gt;Well a few months ago I needed to fill out customs form 5106. This form uses some kind of proprietary Adobe PDF form creation software thing. In order to do anything with it I need Adobe Acrobat. At least that&amp;#x27;s how far my research took me before I buckled and purchased Adobe Acrobat. I was extremely busy that week and didn&amp;#x27;t have time to figure out a hacky alternative.&lt;p&gt;After having installed Creative Cloud all I can say is... it&amp;#x27;s straight up malware. I doubt I&amp;#x27;d be able to get rid of all the junk it installs even if I wanted to. And what&amp;#x27;s worse is the products are extremely buggy. It&amp;#x27;s just a mess!&lt;p&gt;I just checked and Adobe has TWENTY EIGHT processes running in the background. A lot of them are running as root. And of course two of them are NodeJS servers.&lt;p&gt;These processes are constantly phoning home at such a ridiculous rate that it&amp;#x27;s impossible to know what to block and what not to. Looking at Little Snitch right now, there are 13 distinct Adobe applications that have been making HTTP requests since I booted my laptop 30 minutes ago. I haven&amp;#x27;t used a single Adobe product since boot.&lt;p&gt;I wasn&amp;#x27;t surprised when, after installing Creative Cloud and restarting my computer, next time I launched Chrome I got a popup telling me that Adobe installed an extension. THANK YOU GOOGLE for taking the time to alert me about this. At no point during the installation process was it clear to me that Adobe would be hijacking my browser too.&lt;p&gt;I was going to do a fresh wipe to get rid of this junk for good but I wanted to wait until the Macbook was released. Once that laptop arrives I&amp;#x27;m never touching Adobe software ever again unless there&amp;#x27;s a way to completely sandbox it.</text></item><item><author>MrWiffles</author><text>I haven’t seen this anywhere when I’ve looked, so I’ll ask here on the slim chance maybe they really added something I badly want and somebody knows…&lt;p&gt;Is there any application forced sandboxing feature yet?&lt;p&gt;Something users can control to forcibly stop bad behavior from certain “must have” apps. Chrome, for example, has been caught doing entire drive scans on Windows, and I’m not sure I entirely trust Zoom either. So I’d like to lock down what they can access in terms of files, paths, devices and so on and be fully confident that even if my employer demands I run some software installer provided by their “partners” that it hasn’t installed some creepy daemon and configured launchd to keep it running after I kill the app or even kill -9 the process.&lt;p&gt;Yes we can use VMs for this, but Mac laptops aren’t generally beefy machines, so that’s not an optimal solution.&lt;p&gt;There used to be sandbox_exec, but I’ve heard they removed it entirely from this version. We’re now supposed to get things from the (cr)App Store, which guarantees the app will only have entitlements that Apple approves. But vendors are abandoning the App Store in droves for many good reasons, and after recent events I don’t totally trust Apple to prevent malicious use piggybacking on top of a legit entitlement.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>rnkn</author><text>&amp;gt; I use Photoshop for art. Unfortunately, all other desktop software just isn&amp;#x27;t good&lt;p&gt;I see this &amp;quot;I&amp;#x27;ve tried one solution and I&amp;#x27;m all out of ideas&amp;quot; approach a lot. I used Photoshop for many years. Pixelmator is hands down better than Photoshop in every regard and much cheaper.</text></comment>
<story><title>macOS Monterey</title><url>https://www.apple.com/macos/monterey/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>forgotmyoldname</author><text>I use Photoshop for art. Unfortunately, all other desktop software just isn&amp;#x27;t good, but thankfully Procreate is absolutely amazing software that I can use on my iPad (if you&amp;#x27;re reading this, devs, please port it to macOS. There are countless artists that&amp;#x27;ll pay to switch to a non-subscription based, non-Adobe piece of software that doesn&amp;#x27;t suck). But for desktop, I really have no choice but to buy into the Adobe scheme.&lt;p&gt;But yes, Creative Cloud is seriously completely fucking nuts. It&amp;#x27;s shit I do not and will not ever need or want for any reason and exists just to burn through my electric bill and contribute to climate change. Trying to find ways to disable it gives you cheeky employees who post marketing fluff about how it enables consumer whatever BS, but nobody can explain what those 8 dozen background tasks are doing or why we can&amp;#x27;t disable it.&lt;p&gt;I resorted to just deleting parts of the software package one by one. Most background tasks are gone. I made the mistake of updating one (1) time and the number of background tasks &lt;i&gt;doubled&lt;/i&gt;. Absolute insanity. Nearly gigabytes of memory swallowed and CPU cycles wasted doing &lt;i&gt;nothing&lt;/i&gt;. For all I know, it&amp;#x27;s nothing but crypto mining processes--and honestly, it probably is since Adobe has shown themselves to be money hungry and absolutely nobody can or will say what those processes are.</text></item><item><author>0xFACEFEED</author><text>I need this so badly. True story:&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;ve been eagerly awaiting a new Macbook to completely rid myself of Adobe software.&lt;p&gt;Over the past decade I&amp;#x27;ve considered installing Adobe software but always held back because of how intrusive and shady the software is (I checked on friends&amp;#x27; computers). I&amp;#x27;ve been able to work around having to edit PDFs and used Figma in place of Photoshop for my very basic graphical needs.&lt;p&gt;Well a few months ago I needed to fill out customs form 5106. This form uses some kind of proprietary Adobe PDF form creation software thing. In order to do anything with it I need Adobe Acrobat. At least that&amp;#x27;s how far my research took me before I buckled and purchased Adobe Acrobat. I was extremely busy that week and didn&amp;#x27;t have time to figure out a hacky alternative.&lt;p&gt;After having installed Creative Cloud all I can say is... it&amp;#x27;s straight up malware. I doubt I&amp;#x27;d be able to get rid of all the junk it installs even if I wanted to. And what&amp;#x27;s worse is the products are extremely buggy. It&amp;#x27;s just a mess!&lt;p&gt;I just checked and Adobe has TWENTY EIGHT processes running in the background. A lot of them are running as root. And of course two of them are NodeJS servers.&lt;p&gt;These processes are constantly phoning home at such a ridiculous rate that it&amp;#x27;s impossible to know what to block and what not to. Looking at Little Snitch right now, there are 13 distinct Adobe applications that have been making HTTP requests since I booted my laptop 30 minutes ago. I haven&amp;#x27;t used a single Adobe product since boot.&lt;p&gt;I wasn&amp;#x27;t surprised when, after installing Creative Cloud and restarting my computer, next time I launched Chrome I got a popup telling me that Adobe installed an extension. THANK YOU GOOGLE for taking the time to alert me about this. At no point during the installation process was it clear to me that Adobe would be hijacking my browser too.&lt;p&gt;I was going to do a fresh wipe to get rid of this junk for good but I wanted to wait until the Macbook was released. Once that laptop arrives I&amp;#x27;m never touching Adobe software ever again unless there&amp;#x27;s a way to completely sandbox it.</text></item><item><author>MrWiffles</author><text>I haven’t seen this anywhere when I’ve looked, so I’ll ask here on the slim chance maybe they really added something I badly want and somebody knows…&lt;p&gt;Is there any application forced sandboxing feature yet?&lt;p&gt;Something users can control to forcibly stop bad behavior from certain “must have” apps. Chrome, for example, has been caught doing entire drive scans on Windows, and I’m not sure I entirely trust Zoom either. So I’d like to lock down what they can access in terms of files, paths, devices and so on and be fully confident that even if my employer demands I run some software installer provided by their “partners” that it hasn’t installed some creepy daemon and configured launchd to keep it running after I kill the app or even kill -9 the process.&lt;p&gt;Yes we can use VMs for this, but Mac laptops aren’t generally beefy machines, so that’s not an optimal solution.&lt;p&gt;There used to be sandbox_exec, but I’ve heard they removed it entirely from this version. We’re now supposed to get things from the (cr)App Store, which guarantees the app will only have entitlements that Apple approves. But vendors are abandoning the App Store in droves for many good reasons, and after recent events I don’t totally trust Apple to prevent malicious use piggybacking on top of a legit entitlement.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>acomjean</author><text>I have it installed on my work machine.  Only for the pdf reader.. and it won’t uninstall because of that..&lt;p&gt;For what it’s worth,  a few artist friends of mine are using Krita for drawing, to good effect. (Those not on tablets..)&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;krita.org&amp;#x2F;en&amp;#x2F;features&amp;#x2F;highlights&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;krita.org&amp;#x2F;en&amp;#x2F;features&amp;#x2F;highlights&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;</text></comment>