<story><title>What a progressive utopia does to outdoor dining</title><url>https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/12/california-san-francisco-outdoor-dining-progressive-utopia/620974/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>stormbrew</author><text>I love San Francisco more than most places I don&amp;#x27;t live, but I really have a hard time even beginning to agree on any description of it or really any part of California as a &amp;quot;progressive utopia&amp;quot;.&lt;p&gt;Certainly it has a lot of open minded people in it, but it has awful housing policy, mediocre transit for a city its size, historically some of the most brutal police behaviour and crackdowns, and an incredibly stark wealth divide. Many of these things get reflected in policies about land use too, to which the things this article is talking about are likely second order effects.&lt;p&gt;I mean, realistically table stakes for progressive utopia have to include universal health care, which I guess makes Hawaii the only state that&amp;#x27;s even at the table.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>epistasis</author><text>San Francisco is where reactionary conservatism is couched in the right sort of language and gets passed off as Progressive (the capital P is for the political faction).  Any true progressivism that may affect the wealthy homeowner class is rejected with flowery but nonsensical arguments:&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; “Zoning is racist and made by people like me who live here to increase my profit on my property. That’s [pro-housing activists’] line…tell that to the folks in Bayview-Hunters Point, the largest single family home owning area in the city.”
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&amp;gt;It seemed to be lost on the group, which consisted of eleven white people over the age of forty, that minority homeowners might be clustered in that area in part because of redlining and racist zoning laws that restricted access to other neighborhoods.&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.thebaycitybeacon.com&amp;#x2F;politics&amp;#x2F;the-sierra-club-fights-to-save-a-parking-garage&amp;#x2F;article_93ff9084-3be7-11e7-a3a8-17f11f24db6e.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.thebaycitybeacon.com&amp;#x2F;politics&amp;#x2F;the-sierra-club-fi...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;The politics are truly cursed in SF and nothing makes sense, and all rhetoric is hidden behind several layers of misdirection and retribution for long-held grudges.</text></comment>
<story><title>What a progressive utopia does to outdoor dining</title><url>https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/12/california-san-francisco-outdoor-dining-progressive-utopia/620974/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>stormbrew</author><text>I love San Francisco more than most places I don&amp;#x27;t live, but I really have a hard time even beginning to agree on any description of it or really any part of California as a &amp;quot;progressive utopia&amp;quot;.&lt;p&gt;Certainly it has a lot of open minded people in it, but it has awful housing policy, mediocre transit for a city its size, historically some of the most brutal police behaviour and crackdowns, and an incredibly stark wealth divide. Many of these things get reflected in policies about land use too, to which the things this article is talking about are likely second order effects.&lt;p&gt;I mean, realistically table stakes for progressive utopia have to include universal health care, which I guess makes Hawaii the only state that&amp;#x27;s even at the table.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>b9a2cab5</author><text>It&amp;#x27;s honestly not surprising in my view. Wealthy &amp;quot;progressives&amp;quot; have always had a &amp;quot;rules for thee but not for me&amp;quot; attitude, whether it comes to homeless shelters, new housing starts, police funding, or affirmative action.</text></comment>