<story><title>Kotlin for JavaScript</title><url>https://kotlinlang.org/docs/js-overview.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>esprehn</author><text>I&amp;#x27;d be more interested if there was VSCode support. The JetBrains folks  response was ridiculous and dismissive:
&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;discuss.kotlinlang.org&amp;#x2F;t&amp;#x2F;official-support-for-visual-studio-code&amp;#x2F;8242&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;discuss.kotlinlang.org&amp;#x2F;t&amp;#x2F;official-support-for-visual...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Apparently they refuse to support the most popular web IDE because Kotlin for JS is really about selling IDEA licenses. Fair enough, but it means I don&amp;#x27;t suggest Kotlin for anything except as a Java alternative and Android.&lt;p&gt;There&amp;#x27;s better options from companies that are less adversarial to their community.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>lolinder</author><text>If I&amp;#x27;m understanding correctly, the thing you found offensive in that comment was the JetBrains employee talking about &amp;quot;dragging&amp;quot; people to IDEA. If that&amp;#x27;s the case, it&amp;#x27;s important to note that the notion was first suggested by the OP:&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; This would not only be beneficial to developers using this editor, but could drag a lot of developers to IDEA when seeking out for a full-blown IDE eventually.&lt;p&gt;In this context, the JetBrains employee was not saying &amp;quot;it won&amp;#x27;t sell licenses and therefore we won&amp;#x27;t do it&amp;quot;, they were saying &amp;quot;this won&amp;#x27;t do what you think it will do&amp;quot;.&lt;p&gt;JetBrains is a company, and like any other company their focus will tend to lean toward where the money is. But my experience with Kotlin over the last several years is that JetBrains is &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; responsive to the community and their needs.</text></comment>
<story><title>Kotlin for JavaScript</title><url>https://kotlinlang.org/docs/js-overview.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>esprehn</author><text>I&amp;#x27;d be more interested if there was VSCode support. The JetBrains folks  response was ridiculous and dismissive:
&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;discuss.kotlinlang.org&amp;#x2F;t&amp;#x2F;official-support-for-visual-studio-code&amp;#x2F;8242&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;discuss.kotlinlang.org&amp;#x2F;t&amp;#x2F;official-support-for-visual...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Apparently they refuse to support the most popular web IDE because Kotlin for JS is really about selling IDEA licenses. Fair enough, but it means I don&amp;#x27;t suggest Kotlin for anything except as a Java alternative and Android.&lt;p&gt;There&amp;#x27;s better options from companies that are less adversarial to their community.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>meibo</author><text>I&amp;#x27;m curious, how do you see this as being adversarial to their community? It&amp;#x27;s not like they are taking down kotlin language servers, there are community language servers and extensions for kotlin in vscode and they&amp;#x27;re linked here as well, by jetbrains employees.&lt;p&gt;They need users to pay for IDEA to survive, so being open about not wanting to spend developer time to make it easier for people not to use IDEA that could be used to make IDEA better seems sensible from a business perspective. Seems like the community stepped up regardless.</text></comment>