<story><title>Preindustrial workers worked fewer hours than today&apos;s (2009)</title><url>https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>rubber_duck</author><text>&amp;gt; such as for example the notion that it&amp;#x27;s somewhat something to be ashamed of for an employee to leave its employer, while it&amp;#x27;s perfectly OK for the employer to terminate the employee at any time.&lt;p&gt;Your entire post is overgeneralization and dramatizing to prove some poorly thought out hypothesis but this here is the most obvious example. When there is enough choice people change jobs all the time - the demand in my local dev market went through the roof last couple of years for multiple reasons - I see people change 2 jobs within a year, demand all sorts of things - last round of job interviews I did the interviewers spent double the time explaining why their company was a great fit for me instead of actually interviewing me for position - compared to the usual narrative of asking why I fit them.&lt;p&gt;The situation is pretty much dictated by supply&amp;#x2F;demand and both sides take advantage. Firing and quitting can have negative implications for both sides, just depends on scenario.&lt;p&gt;I don&amp;#x27;t see where shame enters the equation.</text></item><item><author>vfc1</author><text>The 40h a day week and modern-day work contracts come as a direct evolution of medieval servitude, with little modification.&lt;p&gt;This explains the system of values that revolve around it, such as for example the notion that it&amp;#x27;s somewhat something to be ashamed of for an employee to leave its employer, while it&amp;#x27;s perfectly OK for the employer to terminate the employee at any time.&lt;p&gt;The servant was not expected to leave its master, that was not OK.&lt;p&gt;Or that you are expected to be available at all times, even though the contract only mentions 40h, and that is perfectly OK and even interiorized as acceptable by most people, which will even go to the extent of defending that state of affairs.&lt;p&gt;What I see in the workforce is a desperate need for people to continuously prove the need for their own role, as automation and informatization eat away more an more jobs.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s a game of face time, who sends most emails past midnight, and who is willing to sell more of their personal life and squeeze other people out of theirs, often to do &amp;quot;important&amp;quot; tasks that are often completely unnecessary.&lt;p&gt;I had a couple of jobs where I was working overtime, running for deadlines all the time, sending emails left an right, meetings, you name it. One day I had enough and I left, and to my surprise, I was never replaced :-)</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>kerkeslager</author><text>What&amp;#x27;s your supply and demand explanation for the following norms?&lt;p&gt;- It&amp;#x27;s considered professional for employees give their employers two weeks notice before leaving. It&amp;#x27;s considered completely reasonable for employers to terminate employees and not even pay them for the rest of the day.&lt;p&gt;- It&amp;#x27;s considered unprofessional to talk about what you&amp;#x27;re getting paid.&lt;p&gt;- It&amp;#x27;s considered normal for potential employers to do background checks, call references, and even run credit checks on potential employees. Ask a potential employer for references or any information on their financials, and that&amp;#x27;s weird. The latter is particularly strange, because the employer is paying the employee, so the employee has a much larger interest in making sure the employer can pay them.</text></comment>
<story><title>Preindustrial workers worked fewer hours than today&apos;s (2009)</title><url>https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>rubber_duck</author><text>&amp;gt; such as for example the notion that it&amp;#x27;s somewhat something to be ashamed of for an employee to leave its employer, while it&amp;#x27;s perfectly OK for the employer to terminate the employee at any time.&lt;p&gt;Your entire post is overgeneralization and dramatizing to prove some poorly thought out hypothesis but this here is the most obvious example. When there is enough choice people change jobs all the time - the demand in my local dev market went through the roof last couple of years for multiple reasons - I see people change 2 jobs within a year, demand all sorts of things - last round of job interviews I did the interviewers spent double the time explaining why their company was a great fit for me instead of actually interviewing me for position - compared to the usual narrative of asking why I fit them.&lt;p&gt;The situation is pretty much dictated by supply&amp;#x2F;demand and both sides take advantage. Firing and quitting can have negative implications for both sides, just depends on scenario.&lt;p&gt;I don&amp;#x27;t see where shame enters the equation.</text></item><item><author>vfc1</author><text>The 40h a day week and modern-day work contracts come as a direct evolution of medieval servitude, with little modification.&lt;p&gt;This explains the system of values that revolve around it, such as for example the notion that it&amp;#x27;s somewhat something to be ashamed of for an employee to leave its employer, while it&amp;#x27;s perfectly OK for the employer to terminate the employee at any time.&lt;p&gt;The servant was not expected to leave its master, that was not OK.&lt;p&gt;Or that you are expected to be available at all times, even though the contract only mentions 40h, and that is perfectly OK and even interiorized as acceptable by most people, which will even go to the extent of defending that state of affairs.&lt;p&gt;What I see in the workforce is a desperate need for people to continuously prove the need for their own role, as automation and informatization eat away more an more jobs.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s a game of face time, who sends most emails past midnight, and who is willing to sell more of their personal life and squeeze other people out of theirs, often to do &amp;quot;important&amp;quot; tasks that are often completely unnecessary.&lt;p&gt;I had a couple of jobs where I was working overtime, running for deadlines all the time, sending emails left an right, meetings, you name it. One day I had enough and I left, and to my surprise, I was never replaced :-)</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>noobermin</author><text>While I have bones to pick out of OP, your post assumes your experience is the norm and not far away from the median.</text></comment>