<story><title>Inside a Heist of American Chip Designs, as China Bids for Tech Power</title><url>https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/22/technology/china-micron-chips-theft.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>RamshackleJ</author><text>I disagree with your opinions and your characterization of my argument. I didn&amp;#x27;t say people will not think about technological problems.&lt;p&gt;Despite the incredible amount of good the party has done for the people of china they are still an authoritarian regime. I don&amp;#x27;t think authoritarian regimes are good at fostering innovation.</text></item><item><author>jacquesm</author><text>Stealing IP &lt;i&gt;definitely&lt;/i&gt; helps innovation. To get to the innovation stage you first need to reach parity. There is no faster way to reaching parity than to steal IP.&lt;p&gt;As for the &amp;quot;the culture that creates new tech is something that china can&amp;#x27;t steal and it can&amp;#x27;t replicate it without giving up authoritarian rule&amp;quot;, that&amp;#x27;s nonsense that would have found an audience in the 1950&amp;#x27;s or so when talking about Russia, but it really is out of place in 2018 when talking about China.&lt;p&gt;China has a lot of catching up to do but this kind of reasoning is so far off-base that it makes me wonder whether or not you&amp;#x27;ve given it much thought at all. The political system of a country does not magically stop people from thinking about technological problems. It&amp;#x27;s mostly a matter of degree of efficiency than it is of achieving a certain capability.</text></item><item><author>RamshackleJ</author><text>Stealing IP mostly helps manufacturing, It doesn&amp;#x27;t really help innovation. If they want to build up their semiconductor industry they need to steal the people who are creating IP, which is kinda the opposite of what is happening.&lt;p&gt;the culture that creates new tech is something that china can&amp;#x27;t steal and it can&amp;#x27;t replicate it without giving up authoritarian rule.</text></item><item><author>fermienrico</author><text>Having worked in China in the semiconductor industry, it really saddens me what the Chinese are trying to do. You simply cannot out innovate 4 decades of work in a few years no matter how much money you throw at it.&lt;p&gt;Also, China has a branding problem and it is only going to get worse. They can make short term progress but it takes a long time to build a great brand.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>jacquesm</author><text>They don&amp;#x27;t need to be &amp;#x27;good&amp;#x27; at anything, they just will move slower than an equivalent market based system but eventually they will get there.&lt;p&gt;As long as the rest of the world out-innovates them they &lt;i&gt;may&lt;/i&gt; not catch up but do not underestimate the power of over 1 billion people, especially not when a large number of them are very smart.&lt;p&gt;Have a look at China 30 years ago and China today and tell me that that authoritarian regime isn&amp;#x27;t moving forward, and relative to the rest of the world they are moving at an incredible pace.&lt;p&gt;We, the West (assuming you are in the West like I am) should count our blessings that China isn&amp;#x27;t going full-bore on a market economy and democratic system because the Chinese in such a configuration would be absolutely un-stoppable.</text></comment>
<story><title>Inside a Heist of American Chip Designs, as China Bids for Tech Power</title><url>https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/22/technology/china-micron-chips-theft.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>RamshackleJ</author><text>I disagree with your opinions and your characterization of my argument. I didn&amp;#x27;t say people will not think about technological problems.&lt;p&gt;Despite the incredible amount of good the party has done for the people of china they are still an authoritarian regime. I don&amp;#x27;t think authoritarian regimes are good at fostering innovation.</text></item><item><author>jacquesm</author><text>Stealing IP &lt;i&gt;definitely&lt;/i&gt; helps innovation. To get to the innovation stage you first need to reach parity. There is no faster way to reaching parity than to steal IP.&lt;p&gt;As for the &amp;quot;the culture that creates new tech is something that china can&amp;#x27;t steal and it can&amp;#x27;t replicate it without giving up authoritarian rule&amp;quot;, that&amp;#x27;s nonsense that would have found an audience in the 1950&amp;#x27;s or so when talking about Russia, but it really is out of place in 2018 when talking about China.&lt;p&gt;China has a lot of catching up to do but this kind of reasoning is so far off-base that it makes me wonder whether or not you&amp;#x27;ve given it much thought at all. The political system of a country does not magically stop people from thinking about technological problems. It&amp;#x27;s mostly a matter of degree of efficiency than it is of achieving a certain capability.</text></item><item><author>RamshackleJ</author><text>Stealing IP mostly helps manufacturing, It doesn&amp;#x27;t really help innovation. If they want to build up their semiconductor industry they need to steal the people who are creating IP, which is kinda the opposite of what is happening.&lt;p&gt;the culture that creates new tech is something that china can&amp;#x27;t steal and it can&amp;#x27;t replicate it without giving up authoritarian rule.</text></item><item><author>fermienrico</author><text>Having worked in China in the semiconductor industry, it really saddens me what the Chinese are trying to do. You simply cannot out innovate 4 decades of work in a few years no matter how much money you throw at it.&lt;p&gt;Also, China has a branding problem and it is only going to get worse. They can make short term progress but it takes a long time to build a great brand.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>frgtpsswrdlame</author><text>&amp;gt;I don&amp;#x27;t think authoritarian regimes are good at fostering innovation.&lt;p&gt;The USSR came from far behind and beat us to space. Authoritarian regimes may struggle to allocate food efficiently but they&amp;#x27;re fine at allocating scientists.</text></comment>