<story><title>Children of alumni no longer have admissions edge at Carnegie Mellon, Pitt</title><url>https://triblive.com/news/children-relatives-of-alumni-no-longer-have-admissions-edge-at-carnegie-mellon-pitt/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>randyrand</author><text>I don&amp;#x27;t think racial discrimination is the right term for discriminating based on things that &lt;i&gt;happen to&lt;/i&gt; correlate with race.&lt;p&gt;Everything correlates with race. Height, disease, money, eye color, divorce, number of pokemon cards, you name it.&lt;p&gt;You may as well call it eye-color discrimination, height discrimination, pokemon card discrimination, etc, as well. It just makes no sense at that point.&lt;p&gt;So what exactly is the point of calling it racial discrimination then? Isn&amp;#x27;t every single policy racist then?</text></item><item><author>elil17</author><text>But favoring legacy status in admissions is a form of racial discrimination because non-white people are much, much less likely to have legacy at elite institutions.</text></item><item><author>dionidium</author><text>&amp;gt; &lt;i&gt;With the end of affirmative action, legacy status in admissions becomes much harder to justify.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;I just don&amp;#x27;t see this. In our society we believe it to be illegitimate to discriminate on the basis of race. We believe that to be a &lt;i&gt;special&lt;/i&gt; kind of uniquely harmful prejudice, one that fractures the deepest structures of society, and that it therefore clears the very high bar required for limiting freedom of association. That is what is at issue in the case of affirmative action, the elimination of which was not a broad referendum on the right to form elite social clubs.</text></item><item><author>julienchastang</author><text>Good. With the end of affirmative action, legacy status in admissions becomes much harder to justify. [0] The number of kids entering elite universities via non-meritocratic avenues is incredible.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;quot;[The researchers] examined four kinds of nonracial preferences—for recruited athletes, and for children of Harvard graduates, financial donors and members of faculty and staff. The researchers found that more than 43% of white applicants admitted to Harvard between 2014-19 fell into one or more of these categories. Nearly three quarters of them would have been rejected if they had been subjected to the same standards as other white applicants.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;[0] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.wsj.com&amp;#x2F;articles&amp;#x2F;end-college-legacy-preferences-harvard-sffa-racce-affirmative-action-13e90e30&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.wsj.com&amp;#x2F;articles&amp;#x2F;end-college-legacy-preferences-...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>digging</author><text>&amp;gt; I don&amp;#x27;t think racial discrimination is the right term for discriminating based on things that happen to correlate with race.&lt;p&gt;Fortunately for people of color, it is. You don&amp;#x27;t have to &lt;i&gt;say&lt;/i&gt; you&amp;#x27;re discriminating based on race in order to be doing so, and the law acknowledges this. That is how gerrymandered district maps can get struck down on the basis of racial discrimination. We do actually get to look at reality when we are deciding if an act is racist.</text></comment>
<story><title>Children of alumni no longer have admissions edge at Carnegie Mellon, Pitt</title><url>https://triblive.com/news/children-relatives-of-alumni-no-longer-have-admissions-edge-at-carnegie-mellon-pitt/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>randyrand</author><text>I don&amp;#x27;t think racial discrimination is the right term for discriminating based on things that &lt;i&gt;happen to&lt;/i&gt; correlate with race.&lt;p&gt;Everything correlates with race. Height, disease, money, eye color, divorce, number of pokemon cards, you name it.&lt;p&gt;You may as well call it eye-color discrimination, height discrimination, pokemon card discrimination, etc, as well. It just makes no sense at that point.&lt;p&gt;So what exactly is the point of calling it racial discrimination then? Isn&amp;#x27;t every single policy racist then?</text></item><item><author>elil17</author><text>But favoring legacy status in admissions is a form of racial discrimination because non-white people are much, much less likely to have legacy at elite institutions.</text></item><item><author>dionidium</author><text>&amp;gt; &lt;i&gt;With the end of affirmative action, legacy status in admissions becomes much harder to justify.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;I just don&amp;#x27;t see this. In our society we believe it to be illegitimate to discriminate on the basis of race. We believe that to be a &lt;i&gt;special&lt;/i&gt; kind of uniquely harmful prejudice, one that fractures the deepest structures of society, and that it therefore clears the very high bar required for limiting freedom of association. That is what is at issue in the case of affirmative action, the elimination of which was not a broad referendum on the right to form elite social clubs.</text></item><item><author>julienchastang</author><text>Good. With the end of affirmative action, legacy status in admissions becomes much harder to justify. [0] The number of kids entering elite universities via non-meritocratic avenues is incredible.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;quot;[The researchers] examined four kinds of nonracial preferences—for recruited athletes, and for children of Harvard graduates, financial donors and members of faculty and staff. The researchers found that more than 43% of white applicants admitted to Harvard between 2014-19 fell into one or more of these categories. Nearly three quarters of them would have been rejected if they had been subjected to the same standards as other white applicants.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;[0] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.wsj.com&amp;#x2F;articles&amp;#x2F;end-college-legacy-preferences-harvard-sffa-racce-affirmative-action-13e90e30&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.wsj.com&amp;#x2F;articles&amp;#x2F;end-college-legacy-preferences-...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>elil17</author><text>Legacy doesn&amp;#x27;t just correlate with race - the fact that legacy admissions are so heavily skewed towards white people is because of past racial discrimination. It&amp;#x27;s a grandfather clause of sorts (&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Grandfather_clause#Origin&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Grandfather_clause#Origin&lt;/a&gt;).</text></comment>