<story><title>California car burglaries are at crisis levels</title><url>https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-12-02/california-car-burglaries-lawmakers-loophole</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>mc32</author><text>At a local Safeway woman loads cart with bottles of liquor.  Walks out.  She yells “I know my rights, I know my rights”.  What are the cashiers and security going to do?  Nothing, they let her go.&lt;p&gt;At another place kids get caught stealing they turn over a display and run out.  Again, nothing done.  All those costs are borne by the paying customers.&lt;p&gt;People are gonna get sick of it; the progressive supes are gonna rue this move.  The DA race in SF was close.  I think it’s gonna go the other way next election.&lt;p&gt;Also word on the street is apparently thieves prefer SF to Daly City because San Mateo  county doesn’t play as nice as SF.</text></item><item><author>Shivetya</author><text>Proposition 47 is the real bugaboo, it moved from felony to misdemeanor thefts under $950 which includes damage caused by them. this made breaking into cars pretty much a free pass because window damage rarely could exceed that. becoming a misdemeanor meant cops have no real reason to follow up. throw in the requirement to prove the doors are locked, well its easy to understand&lt;p&gt;however the real dishonesty is from Lorena Gonzalez (D-San Diego) who claims a bill to at least remove the requirement for prosecutors prove a car was locked before being broken into based on costs. As in, they are very willing to pass the costs onto individuals; hence there still is a cost but to government it does not occur unless on their books.  As it was pointed out, how is it never a crime to enter a vehicle you do not own without permission?&lt;p&gt;Prop 47 lead to an increase in shop lifting because it set the limit high enough that it basically insured no one would get prosecuted. the common method is to send a bunch of people into a store at one time to get the goods in volume but with each individual being under the limit in monetary value if being young enough prosecution won&amp;#x27;t work either</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>throwaway5752</author><text>What you are describing is a particular sort of story that&amp;#x27;s meant to inflame and probably speaks to where you get you news, which sounds like it&amp;#x27;s political and partisan.&lt;p&gt;Both of the things you describe are corporate policies. They have nothing to do with state law anywhere, and they are there because of liability. Safeway doesn&amp;#x27;t want to get sued for 1) if an employee is an idiot&amp;#x2F;racist and misidentifies someone and harms them 2) employees get harmed substantially trying to stop a shoplifter. In these cases you have rare and small losses that are miniscule compared to bad financial outcomes of intervention.&lt;p&gt;It would be easy to stop, but that costs money. It&amp;#x27;s a very simple business decision for retailers: is the cost of loss prevention higher than the loss.&lt;p&gt;The fact that this surprises you is surprising to me, this problem is many decades old in retail.&lt;p&gt;Car burglaries are a much different dynamic, and another poster mentions that it&amp;#x27;s a felony that was reclassified to a misdemeanor, and that law probably does need to be changed and is a problem for lawmakers.&lt;p&gt;edit: and can we raise the elephant in the room, which is that this is fairly solvable with a national facial recognition database and fairly low end iptv&amp;#x2F;image capture tech?</text></comment>
<story><title>California car burglaries are at crisis levels</title><url>https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-12-02/california-car-burglaries-lawmakers-loophole</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>mc32</author><text>At a local Safeway woman loads cart with bottles of liquor.  Walks out.  She yells “I know my rights, I know my rights”.  What are the cashiers and security going to do?  Nothing, they let her go.&lt;p&gt;At another place kids get caught stealing they turn over a display and run out.  Again, nothing done.  All those costs are borne by the paying customers.&lt;p&gt;People are gonna get sick of it; the progressive supes are gonna rue this move.  The DA race in SF was close.  I think it’s gonna go the other way next election.&lt;p&gt;Also word on the street is apparently thieves prefer SF to Daly City because San Mateo  county doesn’t play as nice as SF.</text></item><item><author>Shivetya</author><text>Proposition 47 is the real bugaboo, it moved from felony to misdemeanor thefts under $950 which includes damage caused by them. this made breaking into cars pretty much a free pass because window damage rarely could exceed that. becoming a misdemeanor meant cops have no real reason to follow up. throw in the requirement to prove the doors are locked, well its easy to understand&lt;p&gt;however the real dishonesty is from Lorena Gonzalez (D-San Diego) who claims a bill to at least remove the requirement for prosecutors prove a car was locked before being broken into based on costs. As in, they are very willing to pass the costs onto individuals; hence there still is a cost but to government it does not occur unless on their books.  As it was pointed out, how is it never a crime to enter a vehicle you do not own without permission?&lt;p&gt;Prop 47 lead to an increase in shop lifting because it set the limit high enough that it basically insured no one would get prosecuted. the common method is to send a bunch of people into a store at one time to get the goods in volume but with each individual being under the limit in monetary value if being young enough prosecution won&amp;#x27;t work either</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>undefined1</author><text>&amp;gt; &lt;i&gt;“I know my rights, I know my rights”. What are the cashiers and security going to do? Nothing, they let her go.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;ve seen a shoplifter (also in SF, Safeway) take it to the next level, repeatedly yelling, &amp;quot;I&amp;#x27;m pregnant! The guards are killing me and my baby!&amp;quot;. None of which appeared to be the case, and security was as nervous as you might imagine.&lt;p&gt;This kind of stuff happens a lot at Safeways in SF (also Starbucks and CVS, but mostly Safeway it seems). Other times you&amp;#x27;ll just see someone running out the door, guards look into the distance for a moment and that&amp;#x27;s that.&lt;p&gt;My wife calls them Unsafeway, heh.</text></comment>