<story><title>ISO name change for Türkiye</title><url>https://www.iso.org/obp/ui/#iso:code:3166:TR</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>jonathankoren</author><text>Reminds me of Ivory Coast insisting that everyone call it Côte d&amp;#x27;Ivoire, or even the &amp;quot;Republic of Côte d&amp;#x27;Ivoire&amp;quot;.&lt;p&gt;Sure, fine, whatever. Everyone deserves to be called by their preferred name. I find it weird though, because every country has a respectful exonym, so a direct translation doesn&amp;#x27;t seem wrong, and mixing languages seems even weirder.&lt;p&gt;I don&amp;#x27;t know why personal names don&amp;#x27;t typically get translated, but country names do, so this is not a hill worth dying on. It&amp;#x27;s just odd to me, especially since they are sticking with the colonial name instead of changing to some indigenous name.</text></item><item><author>robga</author><text>The UK government is changing the full name (&amp;#x27;State Title&amp;#x27;) only, not the short name (&amp;#x27;Country Name&amp;#x27;). The UK gov follows the standards set by the Permanent Committee on Geographical Names for British Official Use. This body includes the BBC, Royal Geographical Society, etc. So I suppose the BBC will continue to use Turkey.&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;Turkey; Republic of Turkey changed to Turkey; Republic of Türkiye&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.gov.uk&amp;#x2F;government&amp;#x2F;publications&amp;#x2F;country-names&amp;#x2F;country-name-changes-in-hmg-use-1919-to-2020&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.gov.uk&amp;#x2F;government&amp;#x2F;publications&amp;#x2F;country-names&amp;#x2F;cou...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.gov.uk&amp;#x2F;government&amp;#x2F;groups&amp;#x2F;the-permanent-committee-on-geographical-names&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.gov.uk&amp;#x2F;government&amp;#x2F;groups&amp;#x2F;the-permanent-committee...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;There is the precedent of Burma&amp;#x2F;Myanmar, &amp;quot;Country name remains Burma reflecting common British English usage&amp;quot;. Similarly for Cabo Verde, &amp;quot;Cape Verde had circulated a request for this form to be used, though UK has retained the common English usage for the country name&amp;quot;.&lt;p&gt;However, it did recently change Swaziland to Eswatini and I know which one I&amp;#x27;d vote for as being common usage.&lt;p&gt;The ISO codes are not always adopted verbatim. e.g. The UK gov list does not include Taiwan. ISO plays both sides, giving it a country code but calling it a province of China. On the other hand the UK does include Kosovo which is not an ISO country but is recognised as one by approx 50% of nations including the UK.&lt;p&gt;Other countries have similar national naming committees to the UK&amp;#x27;s PCGN, you can see a list here &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;unstats.un.org&amp;#x2F;unsd&amp;#x2F;ungegn&amp;#x2F;nna&amp;#x2F;nna-committees&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;unstats.un.org&amp;#x2F;unsd&amp;#x2F;ungegn&amp;#x2F;nna&amp;#x2F;nna-committees&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>stingraycharles</author><text>City names also get translated, but not regions &amp;#x2F; provinces. It’s all so arbitrary, probably mostly for historical reasons.&lt;p&gt;My own nationality (and perhaps yours, judging by your username?) comes to mind, Dutch, which doesn’t even vaguely resemble the way we refer to ourselves (“Nederlands”), but is close to a very old naming of a region in our country (“Diets”, ca. 1200 - 1550), how we call Germans (“Duits”), who call themselves different as well (“Deutsch”), where the word “German” probably stems from Germanic, which refers to a historical group of people in Central and Scandinavian Europe, comparable to “Latin”.</text></comment>
<story><title>ISO name change for Türkiye</title><url>https://www.iso.org/obp/ui/#iso:code:3166:TR</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>jonathankoren</author><text>Reminds me of Ivory Coast insisting that everyone call it Côte d&amp;#x27;Ivoire, or even the &amp;quot;Republic of Côte d&amp;#x27;Ivoire&amp;quot;.&lt;p&gt;Sure, fine, whatever. Everyone deserves to be called by their preferred name. I find it weird though, because every country has a respectful exonym, so a direct translation doesn&amp;#x27;t seem wrong, and mixing languages seems even weirder.&lt;p&gt;I don&amp;#x27;t know why personal names don&amp;#x27;t typically get translated, but country names do, so this is not a hill worth dying on. It&amp;#x27;s just odd to me, especially since they are sticking with the colonial name instead of changing to some indigenous name.</text></item><item><author>robga</author><text>The UK government is changing the full name (&amp;#x27;State Title&amp;#x27;) only, not the short name (&amp;#x27;Country Name&amp;#x27;). The UK gov follows the standards set by the Permanent Committee on Geographical Names for British Official Use. This body includes the BBC, Royal Geographical Society, etc. So I suppose the BBC will continue to use Turkey.&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;Turkey; Republic of Turkey changed to Turkey; Republic of Türkiye&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.gov.uk&amp;#x2F;government&amp;#x2F;publications&amp;#x2F;country-names&amp;#x2F;country-name-changes-in-hmg-use-1919-to-2020&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.gov.uk&amp;#x2F;government&amp;#x2F;publications&amp;#x2F;country-names&amp;#x2F;cou...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.gov.uk&amp;#x2F;government&amp;#x2F;groups&amp;#x2F;the-permanent-committee-on-geographical-names&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.gov.uk&amp;#x2F;government&amp;#x2F;groups&amp;#x2F;the-permanent-committee...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;There is the precedent of Burma&amp;#x2F;Myanmar, &amp;quot;Country name remains Burma reflecting common British English usage&amp;quot;. Similarly for Cabo Verde, &amp;quot;Cape Verde had circulated a request for this form to be used, though UK has retained the common English usage for the country name&amp;quot;.&lt;p&gt;However, it did recently change Swaziland to Eswatini and I know which one I&amp;#x27;d vote for as being common usage.&lt;p&gt;The ISO codes are not always adopted verbatim. e.g. The UK gov list does not include Taiwan. ISO plays both sides, giving it a country code but calling it a province of China. On the other hand the UK does include Kosovo which is not an ISO country but is recognised as one by approx 50% of nations including the UK.&lt;p&gt;Other countries have similar national naming committees to the UK&amp;#x27;s PCGN, you can see a list here &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;unstats.un.org&amp;#x2F;unsd&amp;#x2F;ungegn&amp;#x2F;nna&amp;#x2F;nna-committees&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;unstats.un.org&amp;#x2F;unsd&amp;#x2F;ungegn&amp;#x2F;nna&amp;#x2F;nna-committees&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>bombcar</author><text>Personal names will sometimes be translated - depending on when the person moved or decided to present as.&lt;p&gt;I know of Indian colleagues who go by an English-sounding name that is at least somewhat close to their actual name. Others have anglicized a spelling that is phonetically close.&lt;p&gt;The main difference is that you can ask them what they prefer as they’re right there.&lt;p&gt;It’s harder to ask an entire country.</text></comment>