<story><title>Tesla owners asking what happens if &apos;full self driving&apos; isn&apos;t real</title><url>https://jalopnik.com/tesla-owners-take-to-reddit-asking-what-happens-if-full-1846553907</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>987yghj</author><text>He&amp;#x27;s an engineer who actively participates in the design of several wildly successful products AND he runs several extremely successful companies AND has successfully founded, ran and sold companies in the past, e.g. PayPal.&lt;p&gt;We need more people like him in charge.</text></item><item><author>mike_d</author><text>He is an &amp;quot;idea guy.&amp;quot; At this point most companies shove the founder off to be Chief Innovation Officer or something and let them keep coming up with ideas, but bring in an adult to run things day-to-day.&lt;p&gt;SpaceX has been wildly successful despite Elon because of that adult leadership, with actual rocket engineers and doers in management. Additionally SpaceX has military contracts that bring with them actual real enforcement of penalties, like 5 years in prison just for making a single false statement.</text></item><item><author>helsinkiandrew</author><text>I can&amp;#x27;t decide if Elon Musk and Tesla believe the claims he&amp;#x27;s been saying, or knows that he can&amp;#x27;t deliver anytime soon but has some end game planned.  Surely the AI developers understand the issues that still have be resolved for safe driverless operation.  They must have seen their own and the customer test videos that look terrifying.  There&amp;#x27;s a 1000 fold increase in ability needed from &amp;#x27;intelligent lane assist&amp;#x27; to your car dropping your kids off at hockey practice then picking you up from work by itself.&lt;p&gt;Will the definition of FSD be slowly reworded, or are they careful to never state the delivery date for it in contracts.   Or will Tesla rely on traffic authorities not approving the technology, so they can say that they&amp;#x27;ve delivered but government won&amp;#x27;t let customers use it.</text></item><item><author>noodlesUK</author><text>I think most people who specialize in this area on HN know that L5 (or even L4) on existing vehicles on the road today is unlikely to happen. Waymo is by far the furthest ahead, and they are basically at a good level 4, and that’s with cars with a suite of sensors that would make any Tesla blush.&lt;p&gt;Autonomous cars are coming. They just will come first to specific areas where the cars are more experienced, like waymo does in Phoenix, and the cars themselves will be purpose built. As we are building more infrastructure, we could endeavor to do it in ways that make it easier for cars to drive autonomously, with things like grade separated or other protected bike lanes, clearer signage, and other accommodations that will make things easier and safer for human and ML drivers.&lt;p&gt;It’s crazy irresponsible that Tesla switched on what they did and marketed it as FSD, and it’ll set back self driving cars years when people start getting into collisions.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>unityByFreedom</author><text>He ran PayPal for 6 months and then got the boot.</text></comment>
<story><title>Tesla owners asking what happens if &apos;full self driving&apos; isn&apos;t real</title><url>https://jalopnik.com/tesla-owners-take-to-reddit-asking-what-happens-if-full-1846553907</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>987yghj</author><text>He&amp;#x27;s an engineer who actively participates in the design of several wildly successful products AND he runs several extremely successful companies AND has successfully founded, ran and sold companies in the past, e.g. PayPal.&lt;p&gt;We need more people like him in charge.</text></item><item><author>mike_d</author><text>He is an &amp;quot;idea guy.&amp;quot; At this point most companies shove the founder off to be Chief Innovation Officer or something and let them keep coming up with ideas, but bring in an adult to run things day-to-day.&lt;p&gt;SpaceX has been wildly successful despite Elon because of that adult leadership, with actual rocket engineers and doers in management. Additionally SpaceX has military contracts that bring with them actual real enforcement of penalties, like 5 years in prison just for making a single false statement.</text></item><item><author>helsinkiandrew</author><text>I can&amp;#x27;t decide if Elon Musk and Tesla believe the claims he&amp;#x27;s been saying, or knows that he can&amp;#x27;t deliver anytime soon but has some end game planned.  Surely the AI developers understand the issues that still have be resolved for safe driverless operation.  They must have seen their own and the customer test videos that look terrifying.  There&amp;#x27;s a 1000 fold increase in ability needed from &amp;#x27;intelligent lane assist&amp;#x27; to your car dropping your kids off at hockey practice then picking you up from work by itself.&lt;p&gt;Will the definition of FSD be slowly reworded, or are they careful to never state the delivery date for it in contracts.   Or will Tesla rely on traffic authorities not approving the technology, so they can say that they&amp;#x27;ve delivered but government won&amp;#x27;t let customers use it.</text></item><item><author>noodlesUK</author><text>I think most people who specialize in this area on HN know that L5 (or even L4) on existing vehicles on the road today is unlikely to happen. Waymo is by far the furthest ahead, and they are basically at a good level 4, and that’s with cars with a suite of sensors that would make any Tesla blush.&lt;p&gt;Autonomous cars are coming. They just will come first to specific areas where the cars are more experienced, like waymo does in Phoenix, and the cars themselves will be purpose built. As we are building more infrastructure, we could endeavor to do it in ways that make it easier for cars to drive autonomously, with things like grade separated or other protected bike lanes, clearer signage, and other accommodations that will make things easier and safer for human and ML drivers.&lt;p&gt;It’s crazy irresponsible that Tesla switched on what they did and marketed it as FSD, and it’ll set back self driving cars years when people start getting into collisions.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>fr2null</author><text>I personally feel like we need more people like him to bring ideas and advice to people in charge. However, I would like the people that are actually in charge to be more careful and responsible.</text></comment>