<story><title>Resignation from the pkg-systemd maintainer team</title><url>http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-systemd-maintainers/2014-November/004563.html</url></story><parent_chain></parent_chain><comment><author>pekk</author><text>With the top voted post being &amp;quot;systemd haters have gone too far,&amp;quot; I find it worth mentioning that there is no relation between approving of death threats and thinking a systemd monoculture is a bad idea.&lt;p&gt;Death threats are wrong. Victims aren&amp;#x27;t to blame for death threats. On the other hand, that doesn&amp;#x27;t do anything to redeem systemd or dismiss criticism of systemd.&lt;p&gt;Unfortunately, now the meme will be that critics of systemd are dangerous lunatics because of the death threats that most critics of systemd never made or approved of. This (and procedural irregularities, etc.) exemplify the ugly &amp;quot;total war&amp;quot; tone that was instrumental in pushing systemd through. The death threats are inexcusable. But the poor tone and bitter feelings have roots in what was done to get systemd where it is today.&lt;p&gt;And if you are telling critics of systemd, who have nothing to do with death threats that &amp;quot;[they] are not welcome anymore in the community&amp;quot; - you are not contributing to the improvement of the tone. You are waging total war.</text></comment>
<story><title>Resignation from the pkg-systemd maintainer team</title><url>http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-systemd-maintainers/2014-November/004563.html</url></story><parent_chain></parent_chain><comment><author>uselessdguy</author><text>I completely condemn such nonsense as a bunch of vitriolic people driving a distribution maintainer away from their position all because of their indirect affiliation with a controversial project.&lt;p&gt;Such actions are why I identify with neither the systemd opponents nor the proponents. Unfortunately, it does dilute arguments against systemd, because of immediate associations with fools who attack people and scream fallacies (even though the non-systemd camp is an amorphous blob more than anything). This in turn gives moral high ground to the proponents and any attempt at debate devolves into the same dead ends and non-arguments between equally clueless factions.&lt;p&gt;Yet as much as the entire display is abominable, it is sadly also completely predictable. For all the good things the systemd crew have done, their ideas are disruptive, in that they&amp;#x27;re trying to mold a cathedral out of what has been a rather adamantly bazaar-based community for over two decades now. Contrary to popular belief, simply developing your tools in one repository doesn&amp;#x27;t magically make you &amp;quot;more like the BSDs&amp;quot; - there&amp;#x27;s far more to the BSDs than that, and every time I see someone make that argument, I twitch.&lt;p&gt;We&amp;#x27;re in the midst of an unprecedented schism. But, for what it&amp;#x27;s worth, this isn&amp;#x27;t an issue with &amp;quot;open source&amp;quot;. No, it&amp;#x27;s an issue with the Linux community in particular. It is particularly dysfunctional. I have no idea why Linux attracts so much drama and carnage amongst its constituents, but it does.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;m pretty disappointed in all sides here. The people who attack systemd and its developers on completely false premises, and the people who are convinced it&amp;#x27;s the be all and the end all, and have been living under a sysvinit-based rock their entire lives. It&amp;#x27;s just so exhausting. It really is.&lt;p&gt;I don&amp;#x27;t know how this will end. But the irony is intense: an attempt at distro unification has led to a big divide. The best thing we can hope for is people doing a bunch of new experimentation in Unix process management. Projects like Epoch and nosh are up and coming. Hopefully we&amp;#x27;ll see more.</text></comment>