<story><title>U.S. opens probe into Tesla’s Autopilot over emergency vehicle crashes</title><url>https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-opens-formal-safety-probe-into-tesla-autopilot-crashes-2021-08-16/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>Waterluvian</author><text>I have a Subaru Forester base model with lane keeping and adaptive cruise control.&lt;p&gt;I need to be touching the wheel and applying some force to it or it begins yelling at me and eventually brings me slowly to a stop.&lt;p&gt;I’ve had it for a year now and I cannot perceive of a way, without physically altering the system (like hanging a weight from the wheel maybe?) that would allow me to stop being an active participant.&lt;p&gt;I think the opposite is true: Tesla’s move fast and kill people approach is the mistake. Incremental mastering of autonomous capabilities is the way to go.</text></item><item><author>gundmc</author><text>This is why I believe the approach of incremental improvement towards full self driving is fundamentally flawed. These advanced driver assist tools are good enough to lull users into a false sense of security. No amount of &amp;quot;but our terms and conditions say you need to always pay attention!&amp;quot; will overcome human nature building that trust and dependence.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>jeffnappi</author><text>I own a Model Y and am a pretty heavy Autopilot user. You have to regularly give input on the steering wheel and if you fail a few times it won&amp;#x27;t let you re-engage until you park and start again.&lt;p&gt;Personally Autopilot has actually made driving safer for me... I think there&amp;#x27;s likely abuse of the system though that Tesla could work harder to prevent.</text></comment>
<story><title>U.S. opens probe into Tesla’s Autopilot over emergency vehicle crashes</title><url>https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-opens-formal-safety-probe-into-tesla-autopilot-crashes-2021-08-16/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>Waterluvian</author><text>I have a Subaru Forester base model with lane keeping and adaptive cruise control.&lt;p&gt;I need to be touching the wheel and applying some force to it or it begins yelling at me and eventually brings me slowly to a stop.&lt;p&gt;I’ve had it for a year now and I cannot perceive of a way, without physically altering the system (like hanging a weight from the wheel maybe?) that would allow me to stop being an active participant.&lt;p&gt;I think the opposite is true: Tesla’s move fast and kill people approach is the mistake. Incremental mastering of autonomous capabilities is the way to go.</text></item><item><author>gundmc</author><text>This is why I believe the approach of incremental improvement towards full self driving is fundamentally flawed. These advanced driver assist tools are good enough to lull users into a false sense of security. No amount of &amp;quot;but our terms and conditions say you need to always pay attention!&amp;quot; will overcome human nature building that trust and dependence.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>tgsovlerkhgsel</author><text>Tesla had a similar system, and&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; physically altering the system (like hanging a weight from the wheel maybe?)&lt;p&gt;was exactly what people were doing. But it&amp;#x27;s also possible to be physically present, applying force, but being &amp;quot;zoned out&amp;quot;, even without malicious intent.</text></comment>