<story><title>Stop pushing the web forward</title><url>http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2015/07/stop_pushing_th.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>rgbrenner</author><text>&lt;i&gt;We need a break. We need an opportunity to learn to the features we already have responsibly — without tools! Also, we need the time for a fundamental conversation about where we want to push the web forward to.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;How about this.. YOU take a break. Stop trying to keep up with every little new thing that comes out. Wait a while.&lt;p&gt;And you&amp;#x27;ll get exactly what you want.&lt;p&gt;The tools that it turns out were a bad idea will die. And those that are good will thrive.&lt;p&gt;And you&amp;#x27;ll get more time to learn the actually useful ones... and you&amp;#x27;ll get to learn from the mistakes others made early on.&lt;p&gt;Yes, you&amp;#x27;ll be a bit behind.. but you&amp;#x27;re apparently already ok with that anyway.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>pbhjpbhj</author><text>Do you know PPK and his work? He&amp;#x27;s been at the cutting edge of web-standards and implementations for at least 12 years if my memory serves me correctly.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt;And you&amp;#x27;ll get exactly what you want. &amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;&lt;p&gt;If he wants to avoid the web being badly negatively effected by short term views of current browser companies and standards bodies then he won&amp;#x27;t get what he wants by sticking his head in the sand and ignoring the direction he sees things going.&lt;p&gt;If this were the writing of a small time web-dev (like myself) then I think your comment would work; but I&amp;#x27;m assuming PPK is coming from a position of experience that&amp;#x27;s given him an almost unique overview of the direction of browser and standards development vs. the historic &amp;quot;feel&amp;quot; and integrity of the web.&lt;p&gt;PPK is doing the equivalent of saying &amp;quot;let&amp;#x27;s stop and ask for directions [on our car journey]&amp;quot; and you&amp;#x27;re saying &amp;quot;no, let&amp;#x27;s just keep driving I&amp;#x27;m sure we&amp;#x27;ll get to where we want to go&amp;quot;.&lt;p&gt;He&amp;#x27;s up against it as, to my mind, cautious development doesn&amp;#x27;t serve the needs of corporations and so won&amp;#x27;t happen.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;quot;We’re pushing the web forward to emulate native more and more, but we can’t out-native native.&amp;quot; (OP) &amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;&lt;p&gt;I find it funny that web pages are trying to be native apps and many mobile apps are shipping when they&amp;#x27;re ostensibly just web pages.&lt;p&gt;tl;dr I think the OP has more to say, and that it&amp;#x27;s more important, than you&amp;#x27;re giving credit for.</text></comment>
<story><title>Stop pushing the web forward</title><url>http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2015/07/stop_pushing_th.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>rgbrenner</author><text>&lt;i&gt;We need a break. We need an opportunity to learn to the features we already have responsibly — without tools! Also, we need the time for a fundamental conversation about where we want to push the web forward to.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;How about this.. YOU take a break. Stop trying to keep up with every little new thing that comes out. Wait a while.&lt;p&gt;And you&amp;#x27;ll get exactly what you want.&lt;p&gt;The tools that it turns out were a bad idea will die. And those that are good will thrive.&lt;p&gt;And you&amp;#x27;ll get more time to learn the actually useful ones... and you&amp;#x27;ll get to learn from the mistakes others made early on.&lt;p&gt;Yes, you&amp;#x27;ll be a bit behind.. but you&amp;#x27;re apparently already ok with that anyway.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>bjt</author><text>This is the part that feels the most misguided to me:&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; a fundamental conversation about where we want to push the web forward to.&lt;p&gt;There&amp;#x27;s no such thing as a &amp;quot;conversation&amp;quot; between the billions of people with a stake in this.  Or even the few million people building websites and web apps.  Or even the few thousand people building web browsers.  Attempting to have that conversation just means open-ended delay.  There will never be a clear consensus on where we want to push the web forward to.  And that&amp;#x27;s OK.</text></comment>