<story><title>Working in the Vision Pro [video]</title><url>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV9Xy6L_rlM</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>FirmwareBurner</author><text>Turning your head ~90 degrees to the left just to be able to see Slack(or any other windows) is for me an productivity nerf, not a boost. What&amp;#x27;s wrong with Alt&amp;#x2F;Option - Tab instead?&lt;p&gt;In my  life I experimented with 3 monitors, 2 monitors, one monitor, ultra widescreens, square aspect ratio displays, and a mix of several of those, etc. and I find the best productivity setup is when I have everything centered in my narrow&amp;#x2F;focused field of view, regardless of how many displays there are or what their aspect ratio is.&lt;p&gt;If I have too many or too wide displays, needing me  to turn my head&amp;#x2F;neck to the side to see what&amp;#x27;s on them, it&amp;#x27;s just useless real estate and extra shit I have to manage and organize, wasting my brain power and concentration on managing the multi-monitor setup instead of on work.&lt;p&gt;FWIW, currently I have a single 32 inch(27 would work too) 4k display straight in front of me, and switching workspaces via Meta Key + Scroll wheel is way more desk-real-estate, monetarily and energy eficient and more ergonomic than moving my neck to another display on the side that&amp;#x27;s just sitting there displaying a picture that nobody&amp;#x27;s looking at 90% of the time.&lt;p&gt;But in a past job 12+ years ago, I loved having the two work-provided Philips 20 inch 4:3 1600x1200 IPS displays right in front of me. One of those in landscape with the IDE, the other rotated in portrait for the browser&amp;#x2F;documentation. That was peak DPI, windowing and ergonomics before 16:9 &amp;quot;HD&amp;quot; displays ruined vertical real estate and productivity with their &amp;quot;cinema&amp;quot; TV aspect ratio. Shame you can&amp;#x27;t get cheap monitors like those anymore in good condition(their CCFL lamps dimmed over time by now). Also, R.I.P. Philips display panels.&lt;p&gt;Anyway, back on topic, this video feels like justifying the purchase with flashy multi window gimmicks instead of showing actual ergonomic improvements. The proof will be in the pudding. Will the author stick to that sprawling neck twisting setup long term, or will he switch back to a more conventional setup once the novelty of his new toy wears off and his video got enough views?&lt;p&gt;FWIW 2, I have a Quest 3 for gaming, and could never use that for work due to the limited narrow FoV(~110°) that make it more like &amp;quot;binoculars vision&amp;quot; than actual virtual&amp;#x2F;augumented &amp;quot;reality&amp;quot;. And according to the experience of MKBHD(Marques Brownlee) on YT, the Apple VP has an even narrower FoV than that. Ouch! That does not sound optimistic for productivity at all. IMHO 130°+ should be the norm for FoV going forward. Anything narrower and I feel like I&amp;#x27;m wearing horse blinkers.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>mil22</author><text>Totally agree. I have tried multiple monitors so many times over the years but always come back to a single display, usually 24-27”.&lt;p&gt;Turning your head is a hassle. I also find &lt;i&gt;turning my eyes&lt;/i&gt; fatiguing if the angle of movement is too great. So I tend to prefer smaller, higher PPD displays over larger displays with the same resolution. I want a lot of pixels in a compact FOV.&lt;p&gt;For me, 4K 24” has been the sweet spot for desktop monitors. I currently have a 27” due to so few good 24” 4K monitors being made these days, and at the viewing distance allowed by my setup, even that is just slightly too big, such that looking to the corners can get annoying.&lt;p&gt;The PPD on these headsets still just isn’t anywhere close to the point where it can match a single high density desktop monitor, and making the virtual screen bigger or adding side screens just doesn’t work for me ergonomically.</text></comment>
<story><title>Working in the Vision Pro [video]</title><url>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV9Xy6L_rlM</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>FirmwareBurner</author><text>Turning your head ~90 degrees to the left just to be able to see Slack(or any other windows) is for me an productivity nerf, not a boost. What&amp;#x27;s wrong with Alt&amp;#x2F;Option - Tab instead?&lt;p&gt;In my  life I experimented with 3 monitors, 2 monitors, one monitor, ultra widescreens, square aspect ratio displays, and a mix of several of those, etc. and I find the best productivity setup is when I have everything centered in my narrow&amp;#x2F;focused field of view, regardless of how many displays there are or what their aspect ratio is.&lt;p&gt;If I have too many or too wide displays, needing me  to turn my head&amp;#x2F;neck to the side to see what&amp;#x27;s on them, it&amp;#x27;s just useless real estate and extra shit I have to manage and organize, wasting my brain power and concentration on managing the multi-monitor setup instead of on work.&lt;p&gt;FWIW, currently I have a single 32 inch(27 would work too) 4k display straight in front of me, and switching workspaces via Meta Key + Scroll wheel is way more desk-real-estate, monetarily and energy eficient and more ergonomic than moving my neck to another display on the side that&amp;#x27;s just sitting there displaying a picture that nobody&amp;#x27;s looking at 90% of the time.&lt;p&gt;But in a past job 12+ years ago, I loved having the two work-provided Philips 20 inch 4:3 1600x1200 IPS displays right in front of me. One of those in landscape with the IDE, the other rotated in portrait for the browser&amp;#x2F;documentation. That was peak DPI, windowing and ergonomics before 16:9 &amp;quot;HD&amp;quot; displays ruined vertical real estate and productivity with their &amp;quot;cinema&amp;quot; TV aspect ratio. Shame you can&amp;#x27;t get cheap monitors like those anymore in good condition(their CCFL lamps dimmed over time by now). Also, R.I.P. Philips display panels.&lt;p&gt;Anyway, back on topic, this video feels like justifying the purchase with flashy multi window gimmicks instead of showing actual ergonomic improvements. The proof will be in the pudding. Will the author stick to that sprawling neck twisting setup long term, or will he switch back to a more conventional setup once the novelty of his new toy wears off and his video got enough views?&lt;p&gt;FWIW 2, I have a Quest 3 for gaming, and could never use that for work due to the limited narrow FoV(~110°) that make it more like &amp;quot;binoculars vision&amp;quot; than actual virtual&amp;#x2F;augumented &amp;quot;reality&amp;quot;. And according to the experience of MKBHD(Marques Brownlee) on YT, the Apple VP has an even narrower FoV than that. Ouch! That does not sound optimistic for productivity at all. IMHO 130°+ should be the norm for FoV going forward. Anything narrower and I feel like I&amp;#x27;m wearing horse blinkers.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>empath-nirvana</author><text>&amp;gt; Turning your head ~90 degrees to the left just to see Slack(or any other windows) is for me an productivity nerf, not a boost.&lt;p&gt;I wouldn&amp;#x27;t put slack there because I look at it all day long, but I could see leaving open something like Datadog that I look at infrequently, but it&amp;#x27;d be nice if it was just _there_ and I didn&amp;#x27;t have to go tab-hunting to find it</text></comment>