<story><title>Who owns private home security footage, and who can get access to it?</title><url>https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/07/privacy-loophole-ring-doorbell-00084979</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>l72</author><text>I have several cameras hooked up to an NVR that has 2TB drives for constant recording (when space runs out older recordings are deleted. I usually have a few weeks available).&lt;p&gt;I then have frigate[1] set up on a small fitlet (with a usb CORAL TPU), which gives me excellent control over detection (Humans vs dogs vs cars vs ...). Frigate grabs the streams from my NVR over rstp.&lt;p&gt;This is then hooked up to my Home Assistant where I have various rules to send alerts to my mobile devices based upon object detected, location of camera, and time of day.&lt;p&gt;Everything is internal. I have an always on wireguard on my family&amp;#x27;s mobile devices allowing them to access the cameras and home assistant alerts from anywhere.&lt;p&gt;It works great, but I have refused to set this up for my extended family (even though they have the same NVR and _really_ want my system), just because there are a lot of moving pieces that need to be maintained (not to mention having a server + vpn)&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;frigate.video&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;frigate.video&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>hot_gril</author><text>&amp;gt; stop using third party vendors for data storage&lt;p&gt;No. I need a system that detects motion during scheduled times (ideally only humans) and buzzes my phone instantly, giving me a live view and saving a recording around that time. And most of all, it has to be reliable enough that I don&amp;#x27;t question whether it&amp;#x27;s working. Anyone who says this is easy is underestimating it.&lt;p&gt;Something on-prem could do all that, but nobody sells it, and most DIY systems don&amp;#x27;t have those features (does yours?). So here I am with the Ring.</text></item><item><author>giantg2</author><text>&amp;quot;Who owns private home security footage&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;I do. DIY on-site only system.&lt;p&gt;Pretty simple really - stop using third party vendors for data storage. They&amp;#x27;re cheap and easy because &lt;i&gt;your data&lt;/i&gt; is usually the product. Sure, you would still be forced to comply with warrants&amp;#x2F;subpoenas if they think you have data, but that&amp;#x27;s basically unescapable.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>kccqzy</author><text>Someone should sell a complete solution to make it easy for non-techies to use. Sell a small computer (perhaps a Raspberry Pi) with the right software installed, the Coral accelerator, and several cameras bundled in a package. Make it clear that this is just a sale of hardware, not cloud data storage. It should be as easy as buying a Ring or a Nest, otherwise it will forever just be tech people&amp;#x27;s toys.</text></comment>
<story><title>Who owns private home security footage, and who can get access to it?</title><url>https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/07/privacy-loophole-ring-doorbell-00084979</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>l72</author><text>I have several cameras hooked up to an NVR that has 2TB drives for constant recording (when space runs out older recordings are deleted. I usually have a few weeks available).&lt;p&gt;I then have frigate[1] set up on a small fitlet (with a usb CORAL TPU), which gives me excellent control over detection (Humans vs dogs vs cars vs ...). Frigate grabs the streams from my NVR over rstp.&lt;p&gt;This is then hooked up to my Home Assistant where I have various rules to send alerts to my mobile devices based upon object detected, location of camera, and time of day.&lt;p&gt;Everything is internal. I have an always on wireguard on my family&amp;#x27;s mobile devices allowing them to access the cameras and home assistant alerts from anywhere.&lt;p&gt;It works great, but I have refused to set this up for my extended family (even though they have the same NVR and _really_ want my system), just because there are a lot of moving pieces that need to be maintained (not to mention having a server + vpn)&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;frigate.video&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;frigate.video&amp;#x2F;&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>hot_gril</author><text>&amp;gt; stop using third party vendors for data storage&lt;p&gt;No. I need a system that detects motion during scheduled times (ideally only humans) and buzzes my phone instantly, giving me a live view and saving a recording around that time. And most of all, it has to be reliable enough that I don&amp;#x27;t question whether it&amp;#x27;s working. Anyone who says this is easy is underestimating it.&lt;p&gt;Something on-prem could do all that, but nobody sells it, and most DIY systems don&amp;#x27;t have those features (does yours?). So here I am with the Ring.</text></item><item><author>giantg2</author><text>&amp;quot;Who owns private home security footage&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;I do. DIY on-site only system.&lt;p&gt;Pretty simple really - stop using third party vendors for data storage. They&amp;#x27;re cheap and easy because &lt;i&gt;your data&lt;/i&gt; is usually the product. Sure, you would still be forced to comply with warrants&amp;#x2F;subpoenas if they think you have data, but that&amp;#x27;s basically unescapable.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>_rs</author><text>Could you share which model cameras and NVR you&amp;#x27;re using? I&amp;#x27;ve been wanting to put something together like this for a while, but all of the solutions I&amp;#x27;ve seen require a Windows box (usually running Blue Iris) for the NVR which I want to avoid</text></comment>