<story><title>Belenios: Verifiable online voting system</title><url>https://www.belenios.org/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>oivey</author><text>Criminals showing up to your house, putting a gun to your head, and demanding your vote is a fantasy. You don’t need to defend against it because it’s a totally unscalable way to steal an election.</text></item><item><author>tossandthrow</author><text>You don&amp;#x27;t think this is even more pronounced if the criminals can keep af gun to your head in your own home when voting?&lt;p&gt;That said - I am yet to see any protocol that is resilient against not showing up IRL (due to the exact reason above).</text></item><item><author>thepra</author><text>Please forget about showing up physically, it&amp;#x27;s noble to think of &amp;quot;you really care&amp;quot; but in places with organized crime they have ways to count if those that depend on them come and vote for their &amp;quot;right&amp;quot; choice. 
It has been estimated that around 20-30% of IRL votes in Italy follow the organized crimes choice.</text></item><item><author>exabrial</author><text>Personally I love the idea of a fully verifiable election. I do the the current election protocol my county uses is pretty good: you present id in one room, they check your eligibility, then you’re given an anonymous ticket, in another room you vote using said ticket, and get a receipt. You can see your but counted online using said receipt.&lt;p&gt;There are two problems with this: 1. You can’t verify extra or in eligible voters voted. 2. It relies on trust that to tell you your vote was counted.&lt;p&gt;I am very interested in reading about this protocol, and it might make a fun hobby to re implement it as a research project.&lt;p&gt;The one issue I have is: the act of physically showing up is an important one. Mass stuffing of ballot boxes is nearly impossible when physical presence is required. It also puts ‘your ass in the game’, meaning you really care so to speak; as you have to do a minor piece of physical labor in order to get your vote counted.&lt;p&gt;If this protocol could be adapted to the physical world, I think it would be perfect barring any other issues.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>Ajedi32</author><text>In most cases coercion probably won&amp;#x27;t be as obvious as someone &lt;i&gt;literally&lt;/i&gt; pointing a gun to your head (though there certainly &lt;i&gt;could&lt;/i&gt; be a literal or metaphorical gun to the head in some cases). Typically it&amp;#x27;ll probably be something more subtle like: &amp;quot;Hi, I&amp;#x27;m going door to door to turn out the vote. Have you voted yet? No? Here, let me help you fill out your ballot. I&amp;#x27;ll even turn it in for you.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;Coercion doesn&amp;#x27;t need to be overt to be effective, just a small amount of social pressure applied over a large number of people is enough to make a significant difference. That&amp;#x27;s why typically there are laws banning campaigning right outside polling places. Now what if the &amp;quot;polling place&amp;quot; is the entire country, over a period of multiple weeks? How are you going to enforce that? And how can the electorate trust that it is being effectively enforced?</text></comment>
<story><title>Belenios: Verifiable online voting system</title><url>https://www.belenios.org/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>oivey</author><text>Criminals showing up to your house, putting a gun to your head, and demanding your vote is a fantasy. You don’t need to defend against it because it’s a totally unscalable way to steal an election.</text></item><item><author>tossandthrow</author><text>You don&amp;#x27;t think this is even more pronounced if the criminals can keep af gun to your head in your own home when voting?&lt;p&gt;That said - I am yet to see any protocol that is resilient against not showing up IRL (due to the exact reason above).</text></item><item><author>thepra</author><text>Please forget about showing up physically, it&amp;#x27;s noble to think of &amp;quot;you really care&amp;quot; but in places with organized crime they have ways to count if those that depend on them come and vote for their &amp;quot;right&amp;quot; choice. 
It has been estimated that around 20-30% of IRL votes in Italy follow the organized crimes choice.</text></item><item><author>exabrial</author><text>Personally I love the idea of a fully verifiable election. I do the the current election protocol my county uses is pretty good: you present id in one room, they check your eligibility, then you’re given an anonymous ticket, in another room you vote using said ticket, and get a receipt. You can see your but counted online using said receipt.&lt;p&gt;There are two problems with this: 1. You can’t verify extra or in eligible voters voted. 2. It relies on trust that to tell you your vote was counted.&lt;p&gt;I am very interested in reading about this protocol, and it might make a fun hobby to re implement it as a research project.&lt;p&gt;The one issue I have is: the act of physically showing up is an important one. Mass stuffing of ballot boxes is nearly impossible when physical presence is required. It also puts ‘your ass in the game’, meaning you really care so to speak; as you have to do a minor piece of physical labor in order to get your vote counted.&lt;p&gt;If this protocol could be adapted to the physical world, I think it would be perfect barring any other issues.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>gus_massa</author><text>Here in Argentina each party has a big ballot. We can cut it and mix part of different parties, like a president from party A, a governor from party B and a major from party C. But most people are lazy and just select everyone from the same party.&lt;p&gt;A few years ago, some of the local county majors know that people liked them more than the candidate to governor or president of the same party. So they send helpers to each house to ask people and give them cut ballots with the combination they liked. No judgement. People can choose whoever they want. The county majors know it was better for them in average.&lt;p&gt;So it&amp;#x27;s possible to scale it if you distribute the task.&lt;p&gt;We have in person secret voting. So people can lie and accept the ballots provided by the helpers of the local major and then just pick another when voting. If people can vote remotely, they can be forced to vote under supervision.</text></comment>