<story><title>Intel Has a Big Problem</title><url>https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-01-18/intel-has-a-big-problem-it-needs-to-act-like-it</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>luckydude</author><text>As the bitkeeper guy, I&amp;#x27;m watching this with amusement.  Intel used BitKeeper for over a decade for their RTL and when they used BK things seemed fine.  We did everything that Intel wanted, at one point I realized we had taken $7M of revenue from other customers over the years and spent it on doing work for Intel.  And that was still not enough for them.&lt;p&gt;They switched to git because free is better (we were a rounding error on a rounding in terms of cost to Intel, the most they ever paid us in a year is .00000004 of their revenue).&lt;p&gt;But that was too much so they switched to git and it&amp;#x27;s been downhill for them ever since.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;m not an idiot, I don&amp;#x27;t think that the switch to git is the cause of their problems, their problems are self inflicted.  I&amp;#x27;m just one of many many vendors that Intel has fucked over. So I like seeing them squirm.&lt;p&gt;Karma is a bitch Intel.&lt;p&gt;Edit: yup, knew I&amp;#x27;d get down voted.  Don&amp;#x27;t care.  Try being an Intel vendor and get back to me about how much you like that.</text></item><item><author>mrb</author><text>«&lt;i&gt;They now work to what they call process&amp;#x2F;architecture&amp;#x2F;optimization, or in more familiar unofficial terms tick&amp;#x2F;tock&amp;#x2F;tweak.&lt;/i&gt;»&lt;p&gt;For this cycle it&amp;#x27;s been tick&amp;#x2F;tock&amp;#x2F;tweak&amp;#x2F;tweak. Sounds like a broken clock.</text></item><item><author>ZenoArrow</author><text>&amp;gt; &amp;quot;In years past, they&amp;#x27;d get maybe one extra product release off each new arch (tick&amp;#x2F;tock)&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;Intel has moved away from the tick&amp;#x2F;tock release cycle. They now work to what they call process&amp;#x2F;architecture&amp;#x2F;optimization, or in more familiar unofficial terms tick&amp;#x2F;tock&amp;#x2F;tweak.&lt;p&gt;Moore&amp;#x27;s law is essentially broken now, and this isn&amp;#x27;t just an Intel problem, this is a problem for all the major chip manufacturers. Furthermore, the challenges and cost of future node shrinks is also causing a slowdown in progress in integrated circuit manufacturing. We may get a couple more node shrinks, but we should prepare ourselves for the brick wall that we&amp;#x27;re likely to hit in the next decade.</text></item><item><author>013a</author><text>Intel is a hot mess even without these security disasters.&lt;p&gt;Just look at their product release lifecycle: In years past, they&amp;#x27;d get maybe one extra product release off each new arch (tick&amp;#x2F;tock); for example, Sandy Bridge bore Ivy Bridge and Haswell bore Broadwell.&lt;p&gt;Skylake has born SIX new product lines; Goldmont, Goldmont Plus, Kaby Lake, Kaby Lake Refresh, Coffee Lake, and the upcoming Cannonlake. Their failed 10nm shrink has forced product delays; remember, Cannonlake (the 10nm shrink of Skylake) was supposed to be released in &lt;i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;2016&lt;i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;, and its not even out yet. Just at CES this week they said they&amp;#x27;ve shipped mobile Cannonlake CPUs.&lt;p&gt;They have zero presence in mobile. Their best efforts involve competent Y-series processors. Then Apple comes around and, seemingly without even trying, destroys them [1] with a product that&amp;#x27;s more thermally efficient and, in some ways, more powerful than Intel&amp;#x27;s &lt;i&gt;best&lt;/i&gt; mobile processors, not just their thermally efficient ones.&lt;p&gt;They have little presence in HPC&amp;#x2F;AI, where Nvidia is slaughtering everyone and its not even close.&lt;p&gt;Its completely inevitable they&amp;#x27;re going to lose Apple as a customer for consumer products; its just a matter of time. AMD is gaining traction with Zen, and they&amp;#x27;re moving in the direction enterprise cloud provider want (lots of cores, not much $$). How much longer can Intel keep holding on? Do they have an ace they&amp;#x27;ve been hiding? Will people even trust their ace after Meltdown?&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;9to5mac.com&amp;#x2F;2017&amp;#x2F;06&amp;#x2F;14&amp;#x2F;ipad-pro-versus-macbook-pro-speed-tests&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;9to5mac.com&amp;#x2F;2017&amp;#x2F;06&amp;#x2F;14&amp;#x2F;ipad-pro-versus-macbook-pro-s...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>FooBarWidget</author><text>I don&amp;#x27;t really get it. You seem to be complaining that a party chooses to no longer be your customer? Isn&amp;#x27;t it their full right to decide so? What makes discontinuing a business relationship more &amp;quot;fucking you over&amp;quot; than you &amp;quot;fucking over the supermarket&amp;quot; by choosing to go to another supermarket?</text></comment>
<story><title>Intel Has a Big Problem</title><url>https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-01-18/intel-has-a-big-problem-it-needs-to-act-like-it</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>luckydude</author><text>As the bitkeeper guy, I&amp;#x27;m watching this with amusement.  Intel used BitKeeper for over a decade for their RTL and when they used BK things seemed fine.  We did everything that Intel wanted, at one point I realized we had taken $7M of revenue from other customers over the years and spent it on doing work for Intel.  And that was still not enough for them.&lt;p&gt;They switched to git because free is better (we were a rounding error on a rounding in terms of cost to Intel, the most they ever paid us in a year is .00000004 of their revenue).&lt;p&gt;But that was too much so they switched to git and it&amp;#x27;s been downhill for them ever since.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;m not an idiot, I don&amp;#x27;t think that the switch to git is the cause of their problems, their problems are self inflicted.  I&amp;#x27;m just one of many many vendors that Intel has fucked over. So I like seeing them squirm.&lt;p&gt;Karma is a bitch Intel.&lt;p&gt;Edit: yup, knew I&amp;#x27;d get down voted.  Don&amp;#x27;t care.  Try being an Intel vendor and get back to me about how much you like that.</text></item><item><author>mrb</author><text>«&lt;i&gt;They now work to what they call process&amp;#x2F;architecture&amp;#x2F;optimization, or in more familiar unofficial terms tick&amp;#x2F;tock&amp;#x2F;tweak.&lt;/i&gt;»&lt;p&gt;For this cycle it&amp;#x27;s been tick&amp;#x2F;tock&amp;#x2F;tweak&amp;#x2F;tweak. Sounds like a broken clock.</text></item><item><author>ZenoArrow</author><text>&amp;gt; &amp;quot;In years past, they&amp;#x27;d get maybe one extra product release off each new arch (tick&amp;#x2F;tock)&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;Intel has moved away from the tick&amp;#x2F;tock release cycle. They now work to what they call process&amp;#x2F;architecture&amp;#x2F;optimization, or in more familiar unofficial terms tick&amp;#x2F;tock&amp;#x2F;tweak.&lt;p&gt;Moore&amp;#x27;s law is essentially broken now, and this isn&amp;#x27;t just an Intel problem, this is a problem for all the major chip manufacturers. Furthermore, the challenges and cost of future node shrinks is also causing a slowdown in progress in integrated circuit manufacturing. We may get a couple more node shrinks, but we should prepare ourselves for the brick wall that we&amp;#x27;re likely to hit in the next decade.</text></item><item><author>013a</author><text>Intel is a hot mess even without these security disasters.&lt;p&gt;Just look at their product release lifecycle: In years past, they&amp;#x27;d get maybe one extra product release off each new arch (tick&amp;#x2F;tock); for example, Sandy Bridge bore Ivy Bridge and Haswell bore Broadwell.&lt;p&gt;Skylake has born SIX new product lines; Goldmont, Goldmont Plus, Kaby Lake, Kaby Lake Refresh, Coffee Lake, and the upcoming Cannonlake. Their failed 10nm shrink has forced product delays; remember, Cannonlake (the 10nm shrink of Skylake) was supposed to be released in &lt;i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;2016&lt;i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;, and its not even out yet. Just at CES this week they said they&amp;#x27;ve shipped mobile Cannonlake CPUs.&lt;p&gt;They have zero presence in mobile. Their best efforts involve competent Y-series processors. Then Apple comes around and, seemingly without even trying, destroys them [1] with a product that&amp;#x27;s more thermally efficient and, in some ways, more powerful than Intel&amp;#x27;s &lt;i&gt;best&lt;/i&gt; mobile processors, not just their thermally efficient ones.&lt;p&gt;They have little presence in HPC&amp;#x2F;AI, where Nvidia is slaughtering everyone and its not even close.&lt;p&gt;Its completely inevitable they&amp;#x27;re going to lose Apple as a customer for consumer products; its just a matter of time. AMD is gaining traction with Zen, and they&amp;#x27;re moving in the direction enterprise cloud provider want (lots of cores, not much $$). How much longer can Intel keep holding on? Do they have an ace they&amp;#x27;ve been hiding? Will people even trust their ace after Meltdown?&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;9to5mac.com&amp;#x2F;2017&amp;#x2F;06&amp;#x2F;14&amp;#x2F;ipad-pro-versus-macbook-pro-speed-tests&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;9to5mac.com&amp;#x2F;2017&amp;#x2F;06&amp;#x2F;14&amp;#x2F;ipad-pro-versus-macbook-pro-s...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>putnamjm</author><text>McFly&amp;#x27;s right, if a bit sensational (ehhh, it&amp;#x27;s his style.)&lt;p&gt;However, as poorly as they treat their vendors, it&amp;#x27;s nothing compared to what they do to their employees and sadly large segments of their first line and middle management not only buy into that but have spent time making that into an art form.</text></comment>