<story><title>Milan confirms new cycling network linking 80% of the city to bike paths</title><url>https://road.cc/content/news/milan-confirms-new-bike-network-289375</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>lobochrome</author><text>I&amp;#x27;m a road biker and would love fully separated bikeways wherever possible. The scheme in Milano sounds exciting and full of the right spirit.&lt;p&gt;That being said, painted lines, in reality, do positively affect safety, both perceived (at least by me) and in accident statistics. Rethinking our cities towards multi-modal transportation will take time.&lt;p&gt;I believe maximalist positions (&amp;quot;only physically separated bike lanes are acceptable!&amp;quot; probably don&amp;#x27;t lead to better results, faster.</text></item><item><author>Doctor_Fegg</author><text>Meanwhile our idiot city (Oxford, UK) is spending £1.2m on &amp;quot;Quickways&amp;quot;, which are painted lines on existing roads... guaranteed to keep cyclists 0% safe. This in the face of national Government guidance in favour of physical segregation from cars. (Plans at &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;letstalk.oxfordshire.gov.uk&amp;#x2F;quickway-cycle-route-oxford-2021&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;letstalk.oxfordshire.gov.uk&amp;#x2F;quickway-cycle-route-oxf...&lt;/a&gt;: the promise of &amp;quot;segregation where possible&amp;quot; in reality means about 5% of the network.)&lt;p&gt;It is really frustrating how highway engineers, as a profession, are unwilling to consistently learn lessons from the Netherlands in designing cycle infrastructure. Many cities seem to delight in half-assing their own solutions. So congratulations to Milan, who look like they may have got it right.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>mathieuh</author><text>I have the opposite opinion of painted-line bike paths: I&amp;#x27;d rather they not be there at all. If they are there I feel forced to use them by drivers punishment passing me, despite the fact that the so-called bike lanes are full of glass, potholes and cars.&lt;p&gt;If they aren&amp;#x27;t there I feel like I get treated with more patience when I ride in my normal road position, about 75 cm from the kerb.</text></comment>
<story><title>Milan confirms new cycling network linking 80% of the city to bike paths</title><url>https://road.cc/content/news/milan-confirms-new-bike-network-289375</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>lobochrome</author><text>I&amp;#x27;m a road biker and would love fully separated bikeways wherever possible. The scheme in Milano sounds exciting and full of the right spirit.&lt;p&gt;That being said, painted lines, in reality, do positively affect safety, both perceived (at least by me) and in accident statistics. Rethinking our cities towards multi-modal transportation will take time.&lt;p&gt;I believe maximalist positions (&amp;quot;only physically separated bike lanes are acceptable!&amp;quot; probably don&amp;#x27;t lead to better results, faster.</text></item><item><author>Doctor_Fegg</author><text>Meanwhile our idiot city (Oxford, UK) is spending £1.2m on &amp;quot;Quickways&amp;quot;, which are painted lines on existing roads... guaranteed to keep cyclists 0% safe. This in the face of national Government guidance in favour of physical segregation from cars. (Plans at &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;letstalk.oxfordshire.gov.uk&amp;#x2F;quickway-cycle-route-oxford-2021&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;letstalk.oxfordshire.gov.uk&amp;#x2F;quickway-cycle-route-oxf...&lt;/a&gt;: the promise of &amp;quot;segregation where possible&amp;quot; in reality means about 5% of the network.)&lt;p&gt;It is really frustrating how highway engineers, as a profession, are unwilling to consistently learn lessons from the Netherlands in designing cycle infrastructure. Many cities seem to delight in half-assing their own solutions. So congratulations to Milan, who look like they may have got it right.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>Doctor_Fegg</author><text>I do have some sympathy with your latter point, but there comes a point where you have to say &amp;quot;if not now, when?&amp;quot;. Oxford built one world-class segregated track in the 70s (Marston Ferry Road) and has basically regressed since then. I&amp;#x27;d be a bit more forgiving if it were Piddleton-on-the-Marsh, but Oxford has &amp;quot;A Cycling City&amp;quot; signs at every entrance to the city...</text></comment>