<story><title>The pool of talented C++ developers is running dry</title><url>https://www.efinancialcareers.com/news/finance/why-is-there-a-drought-in-the-talent-pool-for-c-developers</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>jedberg</author><text>8:30 to 5 was required, but also never working at home was required, so what I was trying to (poorly) say is that they basically expected you to live in the office and never see your family.  I&amp;#x27;ll update accordingly.&lt;p&gt;And the comp package I turned down was about $700k at the time, which was 10 years ago.  Nowadays it would be a $1M+ job easy.&lt;p&gt;But not seeing my family is not worth any amount of money to me, since there are other jobs for a lot less that let me see my family and live plenty comfortably.</text></item><item><author>stagger87</author><text>Just to clarify, you used the word &amp;quot;abuse&amp;quot; several times to describe a job where you would have to work in office between 8:30 to 5 and pull (I&amp;#x27;m safely assuming) half a million dollars a year?</text></item><item><author>jedberg</author><text>There are plenty of talented C++ programmers.  They just don&amp;#x27;t want to be abused by trading firms or work in that culture.  Even paying them more won&amp;#x27;t work, because no amount of money is worth that abuse.&lt;p&gt;I interviewed at a trading firm once, while I was working at Netflix (because Netflix encouraged us to interview for outside jobs at least once a year).  The comp would have been double my Netflix salary.&lt;p&gt;But I would have had to work in their office in Manhattan, be in by 8:30am every day and not leave until after 5 at a miniumum.  But that wasn&amp;#x27;t the part that scared me off.  It was the fact that I would not be allowed to share my work &lt;i&gt;internally&lt;/i&gt;. I would not even be allowed to brainstorm with people doing the same job in other areas of the business.  I wouldn&amp;#x27;t be allowed to take my laptop home, so if I had a hard problem to solve, I&amp;#x27;d have to stay in the office the whole time.  So basically they expected us to never see our family nor collaborate with anyone.&lt;p&gt;Basically, they were so worried about secrecy of their trading algorithms and people sharing them with other companies, they didn&amp;#x27;t even let people share internally for fear that one person would learn too much about their business.&lt;p&gt;I decided to stick with my FAANG job because even the ridiculous money wasn&amp;#x27;t enough to make it worth the stress and isolation.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>kevin_thibedeau</author><text>That&amp;#x27;s not abusive. That&amp;#x27;s a rational security posture. Defense contractor employees can&amp;#x27;t take their work home either. It&amp;#x27;s nice when you can&amp;#x27;t be pressured to work off hours.</text></comment>
<story><title>The pool of talented C++ developers is running dry</title><url>https://www.efinancialcareers.com/news/finance/why-is-there-a-drought-in-the-talent-pool-for-c-developers</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>jedberg</author><text>8:30 to 5 was required, but also never working at home was required, so what I was trying to (poorly) say is that they basically expected you to live in the office and never see your family.  I&amp;#x27;ll update accordingly.&lt;p&gt;And the comp package I turned down was about $700k at the time, which was 10 years ago.  Nowadays it would be a $1M+ job easy.&lt;p&gt;But not seeing my family is not worth any amount of money to me, since there are other jobs for a lot less that let me see my family and live plenty comfortably.</text></item><item><author>stagger87</author><text>Just to clarify, you used the word &amp;quot;abuse&amp;quot; several times to describe a job where you would have to work in office between 8:30 to 5 and pull (I&amp;#x27;m safely assuming) half a million dollars a year?</text></item><item><author>jedberg</author><text>There are plenty of talented C++ programmers.  They just don&amp;#x27;t want to be abused by trading firms or work in that culture.  Even paying them more won&amp;#x27;t work, because no amount of money is worth that abuse.&lt;p&gt;I interviewed at a trading firm once, while I was working at Netflix (because Netflix encouraged us to interview for outside jobs at least once a year).  The comp would have been double my Netflix salary.&lt;p&gt;But I would have had to work in their office in Manhattan, be in by 8:30am every day and not leave until after 5 at a miniumum.  But that wasn&amp;#x27;t the part that scared me off.  It was the fact that I would not be allowed to share my work &lt;i&gt;internally&lt;/i&gt;. I would not even be allowed to brainstorm with people doing the same job in other areas of the business.  I wouldn&amp;#x27;t be allowed to take my laptop home, so if I had a hard problem to solve, I&amp;#x27;d have to stay in the office the whole time.  So basically they expected us to never see our family nor collaborate with anyone.&lt;p&gt;Basically, they were so worried about secrecy of their trading algorithms and people sharing them with other companies, they didn&amp;#x27;t even let people share internally for fear that one person would learn too much about their business.&lt;p&gt;I decided to stick with my FAANG job because even the ridiculous money wasn&amp;#x27;t enough to make it worth the stress and isolation.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>DougN7</author><text>That’s what we called a “regular job” 30 years ago.  Work from wasn’t even an option.</text></comment>