<story><title>Human-monkey chimera embryos created in lab</title><url>https://newatlas.com/science/human-monkey-chimera-embryos/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>PostOnce</author><text>Okay, on day 19 three of them are clusters of cells, how about day 280? How about year 5? I think the argument is that a majority of people would find it unethical to continue to develop viable embryos, and even more unethical to conduct research on them were they to mature.</text></item><item><author>mullingitover</author><text>Did you finish reading the article?&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; After 10 days, there were 103 of these chimeric embryos remaining, but by day 19 only three still survived. After that, the embryos were terminated before they developed any further.&lt;p&gt;Clusters of cells can&amp;#x27;t be &amp;#x27;tortured in a lab,&amp;#x27; there are plenty of legitimate problems in the world to be outraged about but this really isn&amp;#x27;t one of them.</text></item><item><author>themgt</author><text>&lt;i&gt;These chimeras pave the way for more accurate models of human biology and disease&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;The goal, the team says, is to make better models for studying biological development, evolution, disease progression and treatments. &amp;quot;As we are unable to conduct certain types of experiments in humans, it is essential that we have better models to more accurately study and understand human biology and disease,&amp;quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Interestingly, the review paper suggests that perhaps the creation of human-animal chimeras might help people realize that humans don’t necessarily have any higher moral status than any other creature.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;Yeah sorry but fuck off with this. If your explicit goal is to create living organisms for medical research &amp;#x2F; donor organs that would be unethical to perform in humans, don&amp;#x27;t turn around and justify it with &amp;quot;maybe our monkeyman will increase people&amp;#x27;s concern with animal welfare!&amp;quot; If it did then we would turn around and ban your research and&amp;#x2F;or just do it in humans directly.&lt;p&gt;Frankly I&amp;#x27;d find it a lot more ethical to figure out how to grow a brainless human clone for these purposes than a sentient hu-monkey that can be tortured in a lab.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>brbsix</author><text>Research is already performed using human fetal tissue obtained from aborted fetuses. How is this significantly different?&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;A majority of people would find it unethical to continue to develop viable embryos&amp;quot; seems contradictory to the current legal status of abortion in the US. Perhaps it is unethical but worth doing regardless?</text></comment>
<story><title>Human-monkey chimera embryos created in lab</title><url>https://newatlas.com/science/human-monkey-chimera-embryos/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>PostOnce</author><text>Okay, on day 19 three of them are clusters of cells, how about day 280? How about year 5? I think the argument is that a majority of people would find it unethical to continue to develop viable embryos, and even more unethical to conduct research on them were they to mature.</text></item><item><author>mullingitover</author><text>Did you finish reading the article?&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; After 10 days, there were 103 of these chimeric embryos remaining, but by day 19 only three still survived. After that, the embryos were terminated before they developed any further.&lt;p&gt;Clusters of cells can&amp;#x27;t be &amp;#x27;tortured in a lab,&amp;#x27; there are plenty of legitimate problems in the world to be outraged about but this really isn&amp;#x27;t one of them.</text></item><item><author>themgt</author><text>&lt;i&gt;These chimeras pave the way for more accurate models of human biology and disease&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;The goal, the team says, is to make better models for studying biological development, evolution, disease progression and treatments. &amp;quot;As we are unable to conduct certain types of experiments in humans, it is essential that we have better models to more accurately study and understand human biology and disease,&amp;quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Interestingly, the review paper suggests that perhaps the creation of human-animal chimeras might help people realize that humans don’t necessarily have any higher moral status than any other creature.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;Yeah sorry but fuck off with this. If your explicit goal is to create living organisms for medical research &amp;#x2F; donor organs that would be unethical to perform in humans, don&amp;#x27;t turn around and justify it with &amp;quot;maybe our monkeyman will increase people&amp;#x27;s concern with animal welfare!&amp;quot; If it did then we would turn around and ban your research and&amp;#x2F;or just do it in humans directly.&lt;p&gt;Frankly I&amp;#x27;d find it a lot more ethical to figure out how to grow a brainless human clone for these purposes than a sentient hu-monkey that can be tortured in a lab.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>mullingitover</author><text>What if we gave a dog a human brain? What if we gave a robot a human consciousness? Just offering some more scenarios that didn&amp;#x27;t happen.</text></comment>