<story><title>Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?</title><text>With news like [1][2], and problems I’ve had in the past, I would like a TV with a modern resolution, but just inputs and a tuner, no “smart” features. Does anything like this exist?&lt;p&gt;[1] https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;hackaday.com&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;11&amp;#x2F;29&amp;#x2F;samsung-bricks-smart-tvs&amp;#x2F;&lt;p&gt;[2] https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.theverge.com&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;11&amp;#x2F;10&amp;#x2F;22773073&amp;#x2F;vizio-acr-advertising-inscape-data-privacy-q3-2021</text></story><parent_chain><item><author>haunter</author><text>4K monitors. You need a soundbar though or some kind of audio setup + remote. Also no built-in tuner or such but I assume you get a set top box from your service provider or use a streaming device (Apple TV, Fire stick etc.)&lt;p&gt;4K OLED &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;pcpartpicker.com&amp;#x2F;products&amp;#x2F;monitor&amp;#x2F;#r=384002160&amp;amp;P=7&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;pcpartpicker.com&amp;#x2F;products&amp;#x2F;monitor&amp;#x2F;#r=384002160&amp;amp;P=7&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;4K IPS &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;pcpartpicker.com&amp;#x2F;products&amp;#x2F;monitor&amp;#x2F;#r=384002160&amp;amp;P=2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;pcpartpicker.com&amp;#x2F;products&amp;#x2F;monitor&amp;#x2F;#r=384002160&amp;amp;P=2&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;4K VA &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;pcpartpicker.com&amp;#x2F;products&amp;#x2F;monitor&amp;#x2F;#r=384002160&amp;amp;P=4&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;pcpartpicker.com&amp;#x2F;products&amp;#x2F;monitor&amp;#x2F;#r=384002160&amp;amp;P=4&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;4K 55&amp;quot; or bigger monitors (there aren&amp;#x27;t many choices) &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;pcpartpicker.com&amp;#x2F;products&amp;#x2F;monitor&amp;#x2F;#P=2,7,4&amp;amp;r=384002160&amp;amp;F=1397000000,1651000000&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;pcpartpicker.com&amp;#x2F;products&amp;#x2F;monitor&amp;#x2F;#P=2,7,4&amp;amp;r=3840021...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;The 4K 55&amp;quot; OLED Alienware has speaker but I doubt that it is any good &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.dell.com&amp;#x2F;en-us&amp;#x2F;shop&amp;#x2F;new-alienware-55-oled-gaming-monitor-aw5520qf&amp;#x2F;apd&amp;#x2F;210-auds&amp;#x2F;monitors-monitor-accessories&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.dell.com&amp;#x2F;en-us&amp;#x2F;shop&amp;#x2F;new-alienware-55-oled-gaming...&lt;/a&gt; (actually comes with remote too)&lt;p&gt;Linus made a video of it &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.youtube.com&amp;#x2F;watch?v=L3oqktdx2a8&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.youtube.com&amp;#x2F;watch?v=L3oqktdx2a8&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Last but not least  you can go even higher resolution than 4K but these are all IPS only  and they are not bigger than 34&amp;quot; &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;pcpartpicker.com&amp;#x2F;products&amp;#x2F;monitor&amp;#x2F;#r=768004320,576002160,512002880,512002160,409602160,384002560&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;pcpartpicker.com&amp;#x2F;products&amp;#x2F;monitor&amp;#x2F;#r=768004320,57600...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>femto113</author><text>Another approach is to look not for things advertised as &amp;quot;monitors&amp;quot; but instead look for &amp;quot;digital signage&amp;quot;[1].  Nowadays most of these contain some networking features but they&amp;#x27;ll be oriented at local control (i.e. by you via something on your LAN), not some third-party control center accessed via the internet.&lt;p&gt;Anecdotally this is the approach I took ~20 years ago when buying a (then slightly exotic) plasma flatscreen from Panasonic. It is still working flawlessly today, though I keep hoping it will die so I can guiltlessly replace it with something newer&amp;#x2F;bigger&amp;#x2F;higher-resolution.&lt;p&gt;[1] A random example
&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.usa.philips.com&amp;#x2F;p-p&amp;#x2F;86BDL3050Q_00&amp;#x2F;signage-solutions-q-line-display&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.usa.philips.com&amp;#x2F;p-p&amp;#x2F;86BDL3050Q_00&amp;#x2F;signage-soluti...&lt;/a&gt;</text></comment>
<story><title>Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?</title><text>With news like [1][2], and problems I’ve had in the past, I would like a TV with a modern resolution, but just inputs and a tuner, no “smart” features. Does anything like this exist?&lt;p&gt;[1] https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;hackaday.com&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;11&amp;#x2F;29&amp;#x2F;samsung-bricks-smart-tvs&amp;#x2F;&lt;p&gt;[2] https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.theverge.com&amp;#x2F;2021&amp;#x2F;11&amp;#x2F;10&amp;#x2F;22773073&amp;#x2F;vizio-acr-advertising-inscape-data-privacy-q3-2021</text></story><parent_chain><item><author>haunter</author><text>4K monitors. You need a soundbar though or some kind of audio setup + remote. Also no built-in tuner or such but I assume you get a set top box from your service provider or use a streaming device (Apple TV, Fire stick etc.)&lt;p&gt;4K OLED &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;pcpartpicker.com&amp;#x2F;products&amp;#x2F;monitor&amp;#x2F;#r=384002160&amp;amp;P=7&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;pcpartpicker.com&amp;#x2F;products&amp;#x2F;monitor&amp;#x2F;#r=384002160&amp;amp;P=7&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;4K IPS &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;pcpartpicker.com&amp;#x2F;products&amp;#x2F;monitor&amp;#x2F;#r=384002160&amp;amp;P=2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;pcpartpicker.com&amp;#x2F;products&amp;#x2F;monitor&amp;#x2F;#r=384002160&amp;amp;P=2&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;4K VA &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;pcpartpicker.com&amp;#x2F;products&amp;#x2F;monitor&amp;#x2F;#r=384002160&amp;amp;P=4&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;pcpartpicker.com&amp;#x2F;products&amp;#x2F;monitor&amp;#x2F;#r=384002160&amp;amp;P=4&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;4K 55&amp;quot; or bigger monitors (there aren&amp;#x27;t many choices) &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;pcpartpicker.com&amp;#x2F;products&amp;#x2F;monitor&amp;#x2F;#P=2,7,4&amp;amp;r=384002160&amp;amp;F=1397000000,1651000000&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;pcpartpicker.com&amp;#x2F;products&amp;#x2F;monitor&amp;#x2F;#P=2,7,4&amp;amp;r=3840021...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;The 4K 55&amp;quot; OLED Alienware has speaker but I doubt that it is any good &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.dell.com&amp;#x2F;en-us&amp;#x2F;shop&amp;#x2F;new-alienware-55-oled-gaming-monitor-aw5520qf&amp;#x2F;apd&amp;#x2F;210-auds&amp;#x2F;monitors-monitor-accessories&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.dell.com&amp;#x2F;en-us&amp;#x2F;shop&amp;#x2F;new-alienware-55-oled-gaming...&lt;/a&gt; (actually comes with remote too)&lt;p&gt;Linus made a video of it &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.youtube.com&amp;#x2F;watch?v=L3oqktdx2a8&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.youtube.com&amp;#x2F;watch?v=L3oqktdx2a8&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;Last but not least  you can go even higher resolution than 4K but these are all IPS only  and they are not bigger than 34&amp;quot; &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;pcpartpicker.com&amp;#x2F;products&amp;#x2F;monitor&amp;#x2F;#r=768004320,576002160,512002880,512002160,409602160,384002560&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;pcpartpicker.com&amp;#x2F;products&amp;#x2F;monitor&amp;#x2F;#r=768004320,57600...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>jjoonathan</author><text>Why does (consumer) monitor tech always seem to lag TV tech by a few years?&lt;p&gt;It looks like the situation is still that in the 4k OLED space there are a few ~$4000+ monitors and dozens of ~$1000 TVs. Per the pcpartpicker link, maybe the Gigabyte FO48U will change that, but it&amp;#x27;s still out of stock. Besides, I feel like this has happened before with HDR and 4k and IPS. First it shows up in TVs, a year later it is cheap in TVs, a year later it is expensive in monitors, and finally it becomes cheap in monitors. But it takes years. Which seems odd, since surely they use the same panels? Is it an industry structure thing, where panel manufacturers integrate and co-develop with TV manufacturers but monitor manufacturers are separate, only get the panels after release, and need a year or three to turn things around?</text></comment>