<story><title>Summers Are Getting Hotter</title><url>https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/28/climate/100000005316272.mobile.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>jeremyt</author><text>Be transparent with the data. Stop making adjustments that are questionable and coincidentally result in increased warming. Stop blacklisting scientists who disagree with the consensus.  Stop getting hacked and releasing emails showing people discussing how to &amp;quot;hide the decline&amp;quot;. Stop gaming peer review by having the papers reviewed by a group of people who all agree. Stop making hyperbolic predictions about the future which are completely falsifiable and indeed end up to be false. Stop insisting that the models are completely accurate even though they have been completely inaccurate thus far. Stop accusing people who have questions about mitigation strategies as &amp;quot;climate deniers&amp;quot;.&lt;p&gt;That would be a good start.</text></item><item><author>cydonian_monk</author><text>An overwhelming number of people I know are convinced all of this data has been falsified (usually by Democrats, but I hear all manner of wild conspiracies), and no amount of evidence will convince them otherwise. To them summers are not warmer, and anyone who remembers otherwise has a bad memory or isn&amp;#x27;t old enough to know better.&lt;p&gt;Is there anything at all we can do to change the minds of such entrenched folks? Or do we just write them off and move on?</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>sliverstorm</author><text>The adjustments thing probably can&amp;#x27;t go away entirely, it seems like anytime you try to combine many distinct historical datasets you need normalizing adjustments.&lt;p&gt;For example, the man who empirically determined the normal human body temperature was, as best we can tell, using a thermometer that read too warm. (&lt;a href=&quot;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.realclearscience.com&amp;#x2F;blog&amp;#x2F;2015&amp;#x2F;08&amp;#x2F;the_average_body_temperature_is_not_986_degrees.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.realclearscience.com&amp;#x2F;blog&amp;#x2F;2015&amp;#x2F;08&amp;#x2F;the_average_bod...&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;p&gt;Even with the same nominal weather station recording over the years:&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Stations have moved to different locations over the past 150 years, most more than once. They have changed instruments from mercury thermometers to electronic sensors, and have changed the time they take temperature measurements from afternoon to morning. Cities have grown up around stations, and some weather stations are not ideally located. All of these issues introduce inconsistencies into the temperature record.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;-- &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.theguardian.com&amp;#x2F;environment&amp;#x2F;climate-consensus-97-per-cent&amp;#x2F;2016&amp;#x2F;feb&amp;#x2F;08&amp;#x2F;no-climate-conspiracy-noaa-temperature-adjustments-bring-data-closer-to-pristine&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.theguardian.com&amp;#x2F;environment&amp;#x2F;climate-consensus-97...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;So, in summary, it&amp;#x27;s virtually impossible to combine a bazillion datapoints recorded over hundreds of years and &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; need adjustments.</text></comment>
<story><title>Summers Are Getting Hotter</title><url>https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/28/climate/100000005316272.mobile.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>jeremyt</author><text>Be transparent with the data. Stop making adjustments that are questionable and coincidentally result in increased warming. Stop blacklisting scientists who disagree with the consensus.  Stop getting hacked and releasing emails showing people discussing how to &amp;quot;hide the decline&amp;quot;. Stop gaming peer review by having the papers reviewed by a group of people who all agree. Stop making hyperbolic predictions about the future which are completely falsifiable and indeed end up to be false. Stop insisting that the models are completely accurate even though they have been completely inaccurate thus far. Stop accusing people who have questions about mitigation strategies as &amp;quot;climate deniers&amp;quot;.&lt;p&gt;That would be a good start.</text></item><item><author>cydonian_monk</author><text>An overwhelming number of people I know are convinced all of this data has been falsified (usually by Democrats, but I hear all manner of wild conspiracies), and no amount of evidence will convince them otherwise. To them summers are not warmer, and anyone who remembers otherwise has a bad memory or isn&amp;#x27;t old enough to know better.&lt;p&gt;Is there anything at all we can do to change the minds of such entrenched folks? Or do we just write them off and move on?</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>accountyaccount</author><text>It&amp;#x27;s kind of sad that you think accuracy is the reason conservatives hate liberal ideas (sad because I know you&amp;#x27;re trying your best to help here).&lt;p&gt;You&amp;#x27;re talking about a political base that is currently thriving almost entirely on spite and a total absence of fact. They don&amp;#x27;t give a shit how accurate your x-axis is labeled, they&amp;#x27;re at the point where in some circles they discredit science as a concept.</text></comment>