<story><title>Switch from Chrome to Firefox</title><url>https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/switch/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>latexr</author><text>&amp;gt; Doesn&amp;#x27;t hurt that Firefox is actually a great product.&lt;p&gt;Arguably.&lt;p&gt;On these threads there is always a handful of complaints about the state of Firefox, mostly on macOS. On my machine, I can’t even launch Firefox in headless mode without the fans turning on, which never happened on Chrome. While I haven’t benchmarked it, for normal browsing it does &lt;i&gt;feel&lt;/i&gt; slower than Crome.&lt;p&gt;But what kills it for me is their crippled AppleScript support. Firefox is the worst major browser (even worse than smaller browsers) for an automator on macOS. I rely on browser control every day, so Firefox is useless to me.&lt;p&gt;I’d sooner switch to Safari, which despite laughable controls (can’t even disable JavaScript on a per-website basis) I can do something with.</text></item><item><author>dror</author><text>It is so clear to me that we need to support and promote mozilla and Firefox. They&amp;#x27;re not perfect, but they, wikipedia, eff, archive.org (who else?) are such an important part of the Internet guardianship in the face of the monopolies, that it&amp;#x27;s our duty to support them.
Doesn&amp;#x27;t hurt that Firefox is actually a great product.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>JohnBooty</author><text>&lt;p&gt;&lt;pre&gt;&lt;code&gt;    On my machine, I can’t even launch Firefox in 
    headless mode without the fans turning on, which 
    never happened on Chrome. While I haven’t benchmarked
    it, for normal browsing it does feel slower than Crome.
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I believe you, but I&amp;#x27;m always so confused by hearing this. I use my Mac (2015 MBP) 10+ hours a day, evenly split between FF and Chrome.&lt;p&gt;Truly is close to an even 50&amp;#x2F;50 split -- FF is my personal browser and I use Chrome for all work-related tasks.&lt;p&gt;And they are subjectively indistinguishable in terms of performance. The &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; exceptions to that statement are, well, Google properties where Google has clearly invested time and money into optimizing things for FF.&lt;p&gt;One other possible sorta-exception is when I&amp;#x27;m using a scaled resolution mode on an external 4K monitor. MacOS warns me, straight up, that these modes will cause performance issues for me and my modest Intel Iris graphics. The whole system&amp;#x27;s a little sluggish in those modes, and I think FF fares worse than Chrome, but I won&amp;#x27;t hold that against FF.&lt;p&gt;FWIW, Safari does feel subjectively more responsive to me when it comes to scrolling and navigating. And I recently spent a few bucks upgrading my PC gaming rig to a 120hz monitor, which makes a massive difference. And I&amp;#x27;m one of those weirdos who keeps CRTs around for his old consoles because he enjoys that true zero lag experience. So I am not exactly insensitive to latency. I don&amp;#x27;t have magic professional gamer golden magic eyes or anything, but it is an area of interest for me.</text></comment>
<story><title>Switch from Chrome to Firefox</title><url>https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/switch/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>latexr</author><text>&amp;gt; Doesn&amp;#x27;t hurt that Firefox is actually a great product.&lt;p&gt;Arguably.&lt;p&gt;On these threads there is always a handful of complaints about the state of Firefox, mostly on macOS. On my machine, I can’t even launch Firefox in headless mode without the fans turning on, which never happened on Chrome. While I haven’t benchmarked it, for normal browsing it does &lt;i&gt;feel&lt;/i&gt; slower than Crome.&lt;p&gt;But what kills it for me is their crippled AppleScript support. Firefox is the worst major browser (even worse than smaller browsers) for an automator on macOS. I rely on browser control every day, so Firefox is useless to me.&lt;p&gt;I’d sooner switch to Safari, which despite laughable controls (can’t even disable JavaScript on a per-website basis) I can do something with.</text></item><item><author>dror</author><text>It is so clear to me that we need to support and promote mozilla and Firefox. They&amp;#x27;re not perfect, but they, wikipedia, eff, archive.org (who else?) are such an important part of the Internet guardianship in the face of the monopolies, that it&amp;#x27;s our duty to support them.
Doesn&amp;#x27;t hurt that Firefox is actually a great product.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>sovnade</author><text>Headless mode maybe, but for regular users I don&amp;#x27;t think there&amp;#x27;s many issues.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;m running firefox as my daily driver on Mojave with no issues whatsoever. Without seeing this thread, I didn&amp;#x27;t even know there were issues with the mac version.</text></comment>