<story><title>Wealthy Americans are buying second passports as a &apos;plan B&apos;</title><url>https://www.businessinsider.com/wealthy-americans-buy-second-passports-amid-covid-politics-climate-change-2022-5</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>mariojv</author><text>In my anecdotal experience, it is not just ultra wealthy Americans trying to get second passports.&lt;p&gt;We can&amp;#x27;t afford these investment visas, but because of our fear that gay marriage rights may be repealed [0], my husband and I are exploring the possibility of Spanish citizenship via descent. It&amp;#x27;s unclear if we can even apply before my dad gets it or become citizens without at least a year of residency, but when my dad emailed a major consulate recently, they had an automated message saying there&amp;#x27;s a 5 day wait for return emails. Their listed phone number also had no response and went to voicemail with no automated message. My in laws are also looking into Mexican citizenship by descent.&lt;p&gt;I am curious how many folks are fleeing states or looking into it, also. We&amp;#x27;ve checked with our workplaces about relocating out of state (Texas). That seems a lot easier than figuring out visas, but we are really dreading about how far things are going to go.&lt;p&gt;We&amp;#x27;re hoping for the best, preparing for the worst. I am sure it is not just UHNW individuals who are preparing.&lt;p&gt;[0] See:&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;nitter.net&amp;#x2F;NoLieWithBTC&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;1521912691824148482&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;nitter.net&amp;#x2F;NoLieWithBTC&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;1521912691824148482&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;nitter.net&amp;#x2F;BrynnTannehill&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;1521481078376181760&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;nitter.net&amp;#x2F;BrynnTannehill&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;1521481078376181760&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;and Google around for some op-eds. There&amp;#x27;s a lot of debate around this and whether stare decisis will outweigh the court&amp;#x27;s extreme views, but ultimately there&amp;#x27;s a lot of uncertainty.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>gehwartzen</author><text>I am sorry you are going through this. I have dual citizenship in Germany&amp;#x2F;US which certainly gives me a certain feeling of comfort as having a way out should I feel I need it. For me personally its not gay rights, though those are still very important to me. I would cast your net as wide as possible in looking at various countries that have laws&amp;#x2F;cultures that are more aligned with your own; some might have much more lax citizenship requirements than others. But as with everything there is usually a trade off.&lt;p&gt;Moving out of state might also work of course, and it will hopefully over time send a strong message to states like Texas.&lt;p&gt;Good Luck one way or the other.&lt;p&gt;PS: btw if you do leave the state, send a quick email to all your reps and perhaps those on the other side of the isle to let them know why you are leaving and how much you contributed to the local economy in order to send a strong message. Might help those left behind in Texas who are in a similar situation to you but have less means to move.</text></comment>
<story><title>Wealthy Americans are buying second passports as a &apos;plan B&apos;</title><url>https://www.businessinsider.com/wealthy-americans-buy-second-passports-amid-covid-politics-climate-change-2022-5</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>mariojv</author><text>In my anecdotal experience, it is not just ultra wealthy Americans trying to get second passports.&lt;p&gt;We can&amp;#x27;t afford these investment visas, but because of our fear that gay marriage rights may be repealed [0], my husband and I are exploring the possibility of Spanish citizenship via descent. It&amp;#x27;s unclear if we can even apply before my dad gets it or become citizens without at least a year of residency, but when my dad emailed a major consulate recently, they had an automated message saying there&amp;#x27;s a 5 day wait for return emails. Their listed phone number also had no response and went to voicemail with no automated message. My in laws are also looking into Mexican citizenship by descent.&lt;p&gt;I am curious how many folks are fleeing states or looking into it, also. We&amp;#x27;ve checked with our workplaces about relocating out of state (Texas). That seems a lot easier than figuring out visas, but we are really dreading about how far things are going to go.&lt;p&gt;We&amp;#x27;re hoping for the best, preparing for the worst. I am sure it is not just UHNW individuals who are preparing.&lt;p&gt;[0] See:&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;nitter.net&amp;#x2F;NoLieWithBTC&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;1521912691824148482&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;nitter.net&amp;#x2F;NoLieWithBTC&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;1521912691824148482&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;nitter.net&amp;#x2F;BrynnTannehill&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;1521481078376181760&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;nitter.net&amp;#x2F;BrynnTannehill&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;1521481078376181760&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;and Google around for some op-eds. There&amp;#x27;s a lot of debate around this and whether stare decisis will outweigh the court&amp;#x27;s extreme views, but ultimately there&amp;#x27;s a lot of uncertainty.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>toomuchtodo</author><text>Your in laws might be better served with Mexican permanent residency. The economic solvency requirements are reasonable (about $120k in a savings&amp;#x2F;investment&amp;#x2F;retirement account seasoned for a year), and once approved by a Mexican consulate in the US, the process moves very fast once you get to Mexico. There is no upkeep cost, you have it for life once obtained. The only downside is that if you bring a vehicle to Mexico from the US, even temporarily, you’re paying duty on the vehicle’s value.</text></comment>