<story><title>Tesla braces for its first trial involving Autopilot fatality</title><url>https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-braces-its-first-trial-involving-autopilot-fatality-2023-08-28/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>lolinder</author><text>I&amp;#x27;m one of the more vocal Tesla critics on here, but I think we can do better than this example.&lt;p&gt;The left turn arrow turned green, the car inched forward a little, and Elon immediately put on the brakes. The situation was no more dangerous than when a human driver mistakes which light is theirs and does the same thing, which happens pretty regularly in my experience.&lt;p&gt;And that this is a test version of the software isn&amp;#x27;t irrelevant, it makes a huge difference—I am much less opposed to internal company testers who know what they&amp;#x27;re doing than I am to a public beta in the hands of people who believe Tesla&amp;#x27;s (really egregious) marketing.</text></item><item><author>sschueller</author><text>Elon posted a 44 minute live video of self-driving. In it the car tries to run a red light in the most clear situation possible: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;twitter.com&amp;#x2F;RealDanODowd&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;1695268712910348471&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;twitter.com&amp;#x2F;RealDanODowd&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;1695268712910348471&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;The excuse is that this firmware version is not available to the public. Yet Elon is driving in public with other drivers putting everyone at risk of death. At what point are we going to stop this lunacy?</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>dataflow</author><text>&amp;gt; the car inched forward&lt;p&gt;It felt like more than a few inches. (I&amp;#x27;m not splitting hairs here, I really do feel it was qualitatively significantly different from your description, which made it sound like the car was cautiously starting to move just a bit.)&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; and Elon immediately put on the brakes. The situation was no more dangerous than when a human driver mistakes which light is theirs and does the same thing, which happens pretty regularly in my experience.&lt;p&gt;When humans make this mistake, they stop the car themselves. When this car made this mistake, someone else (Elon) had to stop it. These are &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; equivalent. In the former case you can argue no accident was going to happen, but in the latter you can&amp;#x27;t.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; that this is a test version of the software isn&amp;#x27;t irrelevant, it makes a huge difference—I am much less opposed to internal company testers who know what they&amp;#x27;re doing&lt;p&gt;This is &lt;i&gt;on a public road&lt;/i&gt;. Try pulling this off (well, please don&amp;#x27;t) in medicine and see how it goes.</text></comment>
<story><title>Tesla braces for its first trial involving Autopilot fatality</title><url>https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-braces-its-first-trial-involving-autopilot-fatality-2023-08-28/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>lolinder</author><text>I&amp;#x27;m one of the more vocal Tesla critics on here, but I think we can do better than this example.&lt;p&gt;The left turn arrow turned green, the car inched forward a little, and Elon immediately put on the brakes. The situation was no more dangerous than when a human driver mistakes which light is theirs and does the same thing, which happens pretty regularly in my experience.&lt;p&gt;And that this is a test version of the software isn&amp;#x27;t irrelevant, it makes a huge difference—I am much less opposed to internal company testers who know what they&amp;#x27;re doing than I am to a public beta in the hands of people who believe Tesla&amp;#x27;s (really egregious) marketing.</text></item><item><author>sschueller</author><text>Elon posted a 44 minute live video of self-driving. In it the car tries to run a red light in the most clear situation possible: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;twitter.com&amp;#x2F;RealDanODowd&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;1695268712910348471&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;twitter.com&amp;#x2F;RealDanODowd&amp;#x2F;status&amp;#x2F;1695268712910348471&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;The excuse is that this firmware version is not available to the public. Yet Elon is driving in public with other drivers putting everyone at risk of death. At what point are we going to stop this lunacy?</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>jjoonathan</author><text>They seem to be serious about attentiveness monitoring and strikes.&lt;p&gt;No more weights: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.reddit.com&amp;#x2F;r&amp;#x2F;teslamotors&amp;#x2F;comments&amp;#x2F;zv5xp9&amp;#x2F;a_warning_to_all_steering_wheel_weight_users&amp;#x2F;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow noreferrer&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.reddit.com&amp;#x2F;r&amp;#x2F;teslamotors&amp;#x2F;comments&amp;#x2F;zv5xp9&amp;#x2F;a_warni...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;How strikes work: &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.youtube.com&amp;#x2F;watch?v=otknSUQ4ICY&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.youtube.com&amp;#x2F;watch?v=otknSUQ4ICY&lt;/a&gt;</text></comment>