<story><title>Google Urged the U.S. to Limit Protection for Activist Workers</title><url>https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-24/google-urged-the-u-s-to-limit-protection-for-activist-workers</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>Itaxpica</author><text>Funny how people only ever use &amp;quot;entitled&amp;quot; to describe labor demanding better treatment from management, but never to describe management demanding that labor do more for less.</text></item><item><author>Aunche</author><text>The difference is that software engineers, especially those at Google, have high social mobility and are well educated. I think that unions are inefficient, but I&amp;#x27;m sympathetic towards or even support most of them because those workers don&amp;#x27;t have a better option. Googlers just come off as entitled. They should be intelligent enough to acknowledge when they&amp;#x27;re making clickbaity populist arguments that misrepresent complex issues, but they turn a blind eye to it. Calling out these arguments doesn&amp;#x27;t mean I support large corporations trampling over the weak.</text></item><item><author>josephv</author><text>These comments read like a bunch of low-income retail shoppers defending Walmart because they provide something they otherwise couldn&amp;#x27;t get.&lt;p&gt;I think these types of debates are bellwether for programmer&amp;#x2F;IT professional unionization. These are the exact types of lawsuits brought against organized labor as it was trying to get organized to prevent exploitative behavior.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s disturbing to see these same anti-organization arguments rehashed simply for a new industry.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>dragonwriter</author><text>&amp;gt; Funny how people only ever use &amp;quot;entitled&amp;quot; to describe labor demanding better treatment from management, but never to describe management demanding that labor do more for less.&lt;p&gt;“Entitled” is a term used by elites to describe their lessers seeking to be above their rightful station. It&amp;#x27;s only ever used to punch down.&lt;p&gt;Other terms are used for the already powerful seeking to retain power including some that reflect the speaker&amp;#x27;s perception that it is unjust power involved, but “entitled” just isn&amp;#x27;t generally used in that direction.</text></comment>
<story><title>Google Urged the U.S. to Limit Protection for Activist Workers</title><url>https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-24/google-urged-the-u-s-to-limit-protection-for-activist-workers</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>Itaxpica</author><text>Funny how people only ever use &amp;quot;entitled&amp;quot; to describe labor demanding better treatment from management, but never to describe management demanding that labor do more for less.</text></item><item><author>Aunche</author><text>The difference is that software engineers, especially those at Google, have high social mobility and are well educated. I think that unions are inefficient, but I&amp;#x27;m sympathetic towards or even support most of them because those workers don&amp;#x27;t have a better option. Googlers just come off as entitled. They should be intelligent enough to acknowledge when they&amp;#x27;re making clickbaity populist arguments that misrepresent complex issues, but they turn a blind eye to it. Calling out these arguments doesn&amp;#x27;t mean I support large corporations trampling over the weak.</text></item><item><author>josephv</author><text>These comments read like a bunch of low-income retail shoppers defending Walmart because they provide something they otherwise couldn&amp;#x27;t get.&lt;p&gt;I think these types of debates are bellwether for programmer&amp;#x2F;IT professional unionization. These are the exact types of lawsuits brought against organized labor as it was trying to get organized to prevent exploitative behavior.&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#x27;s disturbing to see these same anti-organization arguments rehashed simply for a new industry.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>SquishyPanda23</author><text>Adam Smith discusses this asymmetry in Wealth of Nations. He basically says both business owners and labor try to organize, but business owners tend to win because it&amp;#x27;s easier for them to make it illegal for labor to organize.&lt;p&gt;Edit: This is the passage I was thinking of&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;We rarely hear ... of the combinations of masters, though frequently of those of workmen. But whoever imagines ... that masters rarely combine, is as ignorant of the world as of the subject. Masters are always and everywhere in a sort of tacit, but constant and uniform, combination, not to raise the wages of labour above their actual rate.... Masters, too, sometimes enter into particular combinations to sink the wages of labour even below this rate. These are always conducted with the utmost silence and secrecy till the moment of execution; and when the workmen yield, as they sometimes do without resistance, though severely felt by them, they are never heard of by other people. Such combinations, however, are frequently resisted by a contrary defensive combination of the workmen, who sometimes, too, without any provocation of this kind, combine, of their own accord, to raise the price of their labour.... But whether their combinations be offensive or defensive, they are always abundantly heard of. In order to bring the point to a speedy decision, they have always recourse to the loudest clamour, and sometimes to the most shocking violence and outrage. They are desperate, and act with the folly and extravagance of desperate men, who must either starve, or frighten their masters into an immediate compliance with their demands. The masters, upon these occasions, are just as clamorous upon the other side, and never cease to call aloud for the assistance of the civil magistrate, and the rigorous execution of those laws which have been enacted with so much severity against the combination of servants, labourers, and journeymen. The workmen, accordingly, very seldom derive any advantage from the violence of those tumultuous combinations, which ... generally end in nothing but the punishment or ruin of the ringleaders.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.gutenberg.org&amp;#x2F;files&amp;#x2F;3300&amp;#x2F;3300-h&amp;#x2F;3300-h.htm#link2HCH0001&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.gutenberg.org&amp;#x2F;files&amp;#x2F;3300&amp;#x2F;3300-h&amp;#x2F;3300-h.htm#link2H...&lt;/a&gt;</text></comment>