<story><title>Show HN: Key Values – Find engineering teams that share your values</title><url>https://www.keyvalues.io/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>Jemaclus</author><text>I would second the option to negate some of these &amp;quot;values.&amp;quot; There are about eight that I don&amp;#x27;t consider to be &amp;quot;values&amp;quot;, but just to pick one of them at random, I don&amp;#x27;t consider &amp;quot;has good beer&amp;quot; to be a value I look for in a company. In fact, I consider a focus on alcohol in the workplace to be a red flag and would like the ability to filter out a place like that. In my experience, workplaces with alcohol in them tend to focus their work-related happy hours around drinking. As someone who does not drink, I often feel left out of those social activities, and am often actively shamed for not participating.&lt;p&gt;Some of the &amp;quot;values&amp;quot; are kind of ambiguous. How do you quantify &amp;quot;bonded by love of product&amp;quot;? What does that even mean? Doesn&amp;#x27;t everyone consider themselves &amp;quot;Creative + Innovative&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Customer Comes First&amp;quot;? Would anyone advertise a company that doesn&amp;#x27;t have a &amp;quot;High Quality Codebase&amp;quot;?&lt;p&gt;I do like the overall idea of the site and the filtering mechanisms. I&amp;#x27;m glad you&amp;#x27;re considering adding more &amp;quot;values&amp;quot; to the system, and hope you can add some more nuanced selection of those values (i.e., negation). You&amp;#x27;re approaching this from a tough but clever angle, and it&amp;#x27;ll be a lot of work to tweak it and get it right. Keep it up.&lt;p&gt;Also, site looks beautiful. Love the logo.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>badcodehere</author><text>&amp;gt; Would anyone advertise a company that doesn&amp;#x27;t have a &amp;quot;High Quality Codebase&amp;quot;?&lt;p&gt;I don&amp;#x27;t know about advertising (and this is a throwaway account) but when we interview candidates, we&amp;#x27;re clear that our code base has a lot of legacy code and the quality is a mixed bag. We&amp;#x27;re also clear that while most of our development team wants to improve it, it&amp;#x27;s a slow process and can only be done in ways that don&amp;#x27;t slow down feature development.&lt;p&gt;Developers who are obsessed with code quality have been a mixed bag for us. Several of our best developers are the people who care the most about quality code and push hardest to improve it. On the other hand, we&amp;#x27;ve had people who seem to care a lot about quality, but have no feel for the cost&amp;#x2F;benefit ratio of any given change, and spend more time complaining about code than actually working on it. The ability to talk about what good code looks like doesn&amp;#x27;t necessarily translate into the ability to improve flawed code.</text></comment>
<story><title>Show HN: Key Values – Find engineering teams that share your values</title><url>https://www.keyvalues.io/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>Jemaclus</author><text>I would second the option to negate some of these &amp;quot;values.&amp;quot; There are about eight that I don&amp;#x27;t consider to be &amp;quot;values&amp;quot;, but just to pick one of them at random, I don&amp;#x27;t consider &amp;quot;has good beer&amp;quot; to be a value I look for in a company. In fact, I consider a focus on alcohol in the workplace to be a red flag and would like the ability to filter out a place like that. In my experience, workplaces with alcohol in them tend to focus their work-related happy hours around drinking. As someone who does not drink, I often feel left out of those social activities, and am often actively shamed for not participating.&lt;p&gt;Some of the &amp;quot;values&amp;quot; are kind of ambiguous. How do you quantify &amp;quot;bonded by love of product&amp;quot;? What does that even mean? Doesn&amp;#x27;t everyone consider themselves &amp;quot;Creative + Innovative&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Customer Comes First&amp;quot;? Would anyone advertise a company that doesn&amp;#x27;t have a &amp;quot;High Quality Codebase&amp;quot;?&lt;p&gt;I do like the overall idea of the site and the filtering mechanisms. I&amp;#x27;m glad you&amp;#x27;re considering adding more &amp;quot;values&amp;quot; to the system, and hope you can add some more nuanced selection of those values (i.e., negation). You&amp;#x27;re approaching this from a tough but clever angle, and it&amp;#x27;ll be a lot of work to tweak it and get it right. Keep it up.&lt;p&gt;Also, site looks beautiful. Love the logo.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>saghm</author><text>&amp;gt; In my experience, workplaces with alcohol in them tend to focus their work-related happy hours around drinking. As someone who does not drink, I often feel left out of those social activities, and am often actively shamed for not participating.&lt;p&gt;I also don&amp;#x27;t drink, and in my (relatively short) experience in the tech industry, the term &amp;quot;social event&amp;quot; almost exclusively refers to events where the primary focus is alcohol. Is this a tech-industry specific thing, or just a thing with &amp;quot;industry&amp;quot; in general?</text></comment>