<story><title>Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software</title><url>http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-apple-users-really-hate-apple-software-20160208-column.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>pyre</author><text>Well, one thing about Safari is that upgrades seem to be tied to the OS. As a web developer, this makes testing things on different versions of Safari a bit difficult. Also, you have to upgrade the entire OS to get a new version of Safari, so if you were holding out on an OS upgrade you might be forced to upgrade if you need to test things on the latest version of Safari.</text></item><item><author>Eric_WVGG</author><text>Could you please express your opinions without using the term &amp;quot;brainwashing&amp;quot;? I think Safari and iMessages are vastly superior to Chrome and Hangouts and that doesn&amp;#x27;t make me an idiot.</text></item><item><author>nostrademons</author><text>It&amp;#x27;s kinda weird to read commentators talking as if this was the end of a golden age of Apple.&lt;p&gt;From my perspective, their application software has &lt;i&gt;always&lt;/i&gt; sucked.  It was there because you need apps to bootstrap a platform and attract enough users to attract developers.  But you can&amp;#x27;t really expect a consumer electronics company to have the best application for a given niche once the niche has been identified and attracted companies that really want to make it their bread-and-butter.&lt;p&gt;XCode and occasionally FaceTime &amp;amp; iMovie are the only bundled applications that I ever use on my Mac.  When I get a new computer, the first things I do are usually download Chrome, MacVim, Google Photos, and VLC.  I use Hangouts over iMessage, Google Calendar over the built-in calendar, and Google Docs over the office suite.  On my iPhone, getting Google Maps and Yelp is a top priority, lest I end up navigating off a mountain.  This is not a new habit; I&amp;#x27;ve operated like this since getting a Mac in 2009 after a 10-year hiatus from Apple products.&lt;p&gt;Perhaps I was just less brainwashed than most Apple fans, and the end of the brainwashing may itself be news with big consequences for product adoption.  But IMHO anyone who used the whole integrated Apple software suite and never looked elsewhere has been missing out on some seriously nice features this whole time.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>paws</author><text>Did I miss something? I run Yosemite and the latest Safari, including point updates, runs fine.
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<story><title>Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software</title><url>http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-apple-users-really-hate-apple-software-20160208-column.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>pyre</author><text>Well, one thing about Safari is that upgrades seem to be tied to the OS. As a web developer, this makes testing things on different versions of Safari a bit difficult. Also, you have to upgrade the entire OS to get a new version of Safari, so if you were holding out on an OS upgrade you might be forced to upgrade if you need to test things on the latest version of Safari.</text></item><item><author>Eric_WVGG</author><text>Could you please express your opinions without using the term &amp;quot;brainwashing&amp;quot;? I think Safari and iMessages are vastly superior to Chrome and Hangouts and that doesn&amp;#x27;t make me an idiot.</text></item><item><author>nostrademons</author><text>It&amp;#x27;s kinda weird to read commentators talking as if this was the end of a golden age of Apple.&lt;p&gt;From my perspective, their application software has &lt;i&gt;always&lt;/i&gt; sucked.  It was there because you need apps to bootstrap a platform and attract enough users to attract developers.  But you can&amp;#x27;t really expect a consumer electronics company to have the best application for a given niche once the niche has been identified and attracted companies that really want to make it their bread-and-butter.&lt;p&gt;XCode and occasionally FaceTime &amp;amp; iMovie are the only bundled applications that I ever use on my Mac.  When I get a new computer, the first things I do are usually download Chrome, MacVim, Google Photos, and VLC.  I use Hangouts over iMessage, Google Calendar over the built-in calendar, and Google Docs over the office suite.  On my iPhone, getting Google Maps and Yelp is a top priority, lest I end up navigating off a mountain.  This is not a new habit; I&amp;#x27;ve operated like this since getting a Mac in 2009 after a 10-year hiatus from Apple products.&lt;p&gt;Perhaps I was just less brainwashed than most Apple fans, and the end of the brainwashing may itself be news with big consequences for product adoption.  But IMHO anyone who used the whole integrated Apple software suite and never looked elsewhere has been missing out on some seriously nice features this whole time.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>bphogan</author><text>The alternative is that I need to have 30 versions of Chrome laying around because they update every week or two.&lt;p&gt;Surely there has to be a middle ground. :)</text></comment>