<story><title>Stop pushing the web forward</title><url>http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2015/07/stop_pushing_th.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>pbhjpbhj</author><text>Do you know PPK and his work? He&amp;#x27;s been at the cutting edge of web-standards and implementations for at least 12 years if my memory serves me correctly.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt;And you&amp;#x27;ll get exactly what you want. &amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;&lt;p&gt;If he wants to avoid the web being badly negatively effected by short term views of current browser companies and standards bodies then he won&amp;#x27;t get what he wants by sticking his head in the sand and ignoring the direction he sees things going.&lt;p&gt;If this were the writing of a small time web-dev (like myself) then I think your comment would work; but I&amp;#x27;m assuming PPK is coming from a position of experience that&amp;#x27;s given him an almost unique overview of the direction of browser and standards development vs. the historic &amp;quot;feel&amp;quot; and integrity of the web.&lt;p&gt;PPK is doing the equivalent of saying &amp;quot;let&amp;#x27;s stop and ask for directions [on our car journey]&amp;quot; and you&amp;#x27;re saying &amp;quot;no, let&amp;#x27;s just keep driving I&amp;#x27;m sure we&amp;#x27;ll get to where we want to go&amp;quot;.&lt;p&gt;He&amp;#x27;s up against it as, to my mind, cautious development doesn&amp;#x27;t serve the needs of corporations and so won&amp;#x27;t happen.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;quot;We’re pushing the web forward to emulate native more and more, but we can’t out-native native.&amp;quot; (OP) &amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;&lt;p&gt;I find it funny that web pages are trying to be native apps and many mobile apps are shipping when they&amp;#x27;re ostensibly just web pages.&lt;p&gt;tl;dr I think the OP has more to say, and that it&amp;#x27;s more important, than you&amp;#x27;re giving credit for.</text></item><item><author>rgbrenner</author><text>&lt;i&gt;We need a break. We need an opportunity to learn to the features we already have responsibly — without tools! Also, we need the time for a fundamental conversation about where we want to push the web forward to.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;How about this.. YOU take a break. Stop trying to keep up with every little new thing that comes out. Wait a while.&lt;p&gt;And you&amp;#x27;ll get exactly what you want.&lt;p&gt;The tools that it turns out were a bad idea will die. And those that are good will thrive.&lt;p&gt;And you&amp;#x27;ll get more time to learn the actually useful ones... and you&amp;#x27;ll get to learn from the mistakes others made early on.&lt;p&gt;Yes, you&amp;#x27;ll be a bit behind.. but you&amp;#x27;re apparently already ok with that anyway.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>bcheung</author><text>&amp;gt; PPK is doing the equivalent of saying &amp;quot;let&amp;#x27;s stop and ask for directions [on our car journey]&amp;quot; and you&amp;#x27;re saying &amp;quot;no, let&amp;#x27;s just keep driving I&amp;#x27;m sure we&amp;#x27;ll get to where we want to go&amp;quot;.&lt;p&gt;Just because one person is lost doesn&amp;#x27;t mean everyone else in the vehicle is.  Those who know where they are going don&amp;#x27;t need to stop and ask for directions.  Don&amp;#x27;t force them to.</text></comment>
<story><title>Stop pushing the web forward</title><url>http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2015/07/stop_pushing_th.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>pbhjpbhj</author><text>Do you know PPK and his work? He&amp;#x27;s been at the cutting edge of web-standards and implementations for at least 12 years if my memory serves me correctly.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt;And you&amp;#x27;ll get exactly what you want. &amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;&lt;p&gt;If he wants to avoid the web being badly negatively effected by short term views of current browser companies and standards bodies then he won&amp;#x27;t get what he wants by sticking his head in the sand and ignoring the direction he sees things going.&lt;p&gt;If this were the writing of a small time web-dev (like myself) then I think your comment would work; but I&amp;#x27;m assuming PPK is coming from a position of experience that&amp;#x27;s given him an almost unique overview of the direction of browser and standards development vs. the historic &amp;quot;feel&amp;quot; and integrity of the web.&lt;p&gt;PPK is doing the equivalent of saying &amp;quot;let&amp;#x27;s stop and ask for directions [on our car journey]&amp;quot; and you&amp;#x27;re saying &amp;quot;no, let&amp;#x27;s just keep driving I&amp;#x27;m sure we&amp;#x27;ll get to where we want to go&amp;quot;.&lt;p&gt;He&amp;#x27;s up against it as, to my mind, cautious development doesn&amp;#x27;t serve the needs of corporations and so won&amp;#x27;t happen.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;quot;We’re pushing the web forward to emulate native more and more, but we can’t out-native native.&amp;quot; (OP) &amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;&lt;p&gt;I find it funny that web pages are trying to be native apps and many mobile apps are shipping when they&amp;#x27;re ostensibly just web pages.&lt;p&gt;tl;dr I think the OP has more to say, and that it&amp;#x27;s more important, than you&amp;#x27;re giving credit for.</text></item><item><author>rgbrenner</author><text>&lt;i&gt;We need a break. We need an opportunity to learn to the features we already have responsibly — without tools! Also, we need the time for a fundamental conversation about where we want to push the web forward to.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;How about this.. YOU take a break. Stop trying to keep up with every little new thing that comes out. Wait a while.&lt;p&gt;And you&amp;#x27;ll get exactly what you want.&lt;p&gt;The tools that it turns out were a bad idea will die. And those that are good will thrive.&lt;p&gt;And you&amp;#x27;ll get more time to learn the actually useful ones... and you&amp;#x27;ll get to learn from the mistakes others made early on.&lt;p&gt;Yes, you&amp;#x27;ll be a bit behind.. but you&amp;#x27;re apparently already ok with that anyway.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>tedunangst</author><text>&amp;gt; I find it funny that web pages are trying to be native apps and many mobile apps are shipping when they&amp;#x27;re ostensibly just web pages.&lt;p&gt;Which provides some insight into what&amp;#x27;s missing from the web. It&amp;#x27;s almost good enough for most companies. They just need a little something extra so that they can &amp;quot;own the experience.&amp;quot; But soon the browsers will catch up and then websites will be able to own your experience, too.</text></comment>