<story><title>DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps</title><url>https://spreadprivacy.com/duckduckgo-apple-mapkit-js/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>bduerst</author><text>How so?&lt;p&gt;Apple shared all their iCloud user data (messages, pics, docs, etc.) and keys with the Chinese government last year. [1]  Apple even updated their TOS forcing Chinese users to agree to it or drop service. [2]&lt;p&gt;Google got flak for just &lt;i&gt;considering&lt;/i&gt; it with Dragonfly, but Apple actually &lt;i&gt;did it&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;mashable.com&amp;#x2F;article&amp;#x2F;china-government-apple-icloud-data&amp;#x2F;#ahDzcDZPeiqd&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;mashable.com&amp;#x2F;article&amp;#x2F;china-government-apple-icloud-d...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;[2] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.reuters.com&amp;#x2F;article&amp;#x2F;us-china-apple-icloud-insight&amp;#x2F;apple-moves-to-store-icloud-keys-in-china-raising-human-rights-fears-idUSKCN1G8060&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.reuters.com&amp;#x2F;article&amp;#x2F;us-china-apple-icloud-insigh...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>SEJeff</author><text>That and from a purely data privacy angle, Apple is legitimately better than Google.</text></item><item><author>NicoJuicy</author><text>Or Apple&amp;#x27;s marketing team lead to a donation to DDG to make it possible</text></item><item><author>gowld</author><text>DDG&amp;#x27;s main marketing model is talking about how they believe Google is  privacy threat, so they&amp;#x27;ll highlight that angle in any change.</text></item><item><author>mtmail</author><text>Some paint it as if the main reason to switch was privacy (&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.imore.com&amp;#x2F;duckduckgo-switches-apple-maps-because-privacy&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.imore.com&amp;#x2F;duckduckgo-switches-apple-maps-because...&lt;/a&gt; &amp;quot;DuckDuckGo switches to Apple Maps, because privacy&amp;quot;), but the previous map provider was mapbox (openstreetmap plus commercial sources) and I doubt mapbox collected more data than Apple is now.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>morganvachon</author><text>&amp;gt; Apple shared all their iCloud user data (messages, pics, docs, etc.) and keys with the Chinese government last year. [1]&lt;p&gt;They shared all their &lt;i&gt;Chinese users&amp;#x27;&lt;/i&gt; iCloud data. It&amp;#x27;s a huge distinction and I feel like you paraphrased it deliberately to try to make Apple appear to have sold out all of their users worldwide. While what they did in China is terrifying in general, it doesn&amp;#x27;t compromise security for any Apple user outside of China as you very strongly implied it did.&lt;p&gt;Here&amp;#x27;s the very first sentence from the link you posted (emphasis mine):&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; A state-owned telecommunications company in China now stores the iCloud data &lt;i&gt;for Apple’s China-based users&lt;/i&gt;.</text></comment>
<story><title>DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps</title><url>https://spreadprivacy.com/duckduckgo-apple-mapkit-js/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>bduerst</author><text>How so?&lt;p&gt;Apple shared all their iCloud user data (messages, pics, docs, etc.) and keys with the Chinese government last year. [1]  Apple even updated their TOS forcing Chinese users to agree to it or drop service. [2]&lt;p&gt;Google got flak for just &lt;i&gt;considering&lt;/i&gt; it with Dragonfly, but Apple actually &lt;i&gt;did it&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;p&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;mashable.com&amp;#x2F;article&amp;#x2F;china-government-apple-icloud-data&amp;#x2F;#ahDzcDZPeiqd&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;mashable.com&amp;#x2F;article&amp;#x2F;china-government-apple-icloud-d...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;[2] &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.reuters.com&amp;#x2F;article&amp;#x2F;us-china-apple-icloud-insight&amp;#x2F;apple-moves-to-store-icloud-keys-in-china-raising-human-rights-fears-idUSKCN1G8060&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.reuters.com&amp;#x2F;article&amp;#x2F;us-china-apple-icloud-insigh...&lt;/a&gt;</text></item><item><author>SEJeff</author><text>That and from a purely data privacy angle, Apple is legitimately better than Google.</text></item><item><author>NicoJuicy</author><text>Or Apple&amp;#x27;s marketing team lead to a donation to DDG to make it possible</text></item><item><author>gowld</author><text>DDG&amp;#x27;s main marketing model is talking about how they believe Google is  privacy threat, so they&amp;#x27;ll highlight that angle in any change.</text></item><item><author>mtmail</author><text>Some paint it as if the main reason to switch was privacy (&lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.imore.com&amp;#x2F;duckduckgo-switches-apple-maps-because-privacy&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;www.imore.com&amp;#x2F;duckduckgo-switches-apple-maps-because...&lt;/a&gt; &amp;quot;DuckDuckGo switches to Apple Maps, because privacy&amp;quot;), but the previous map provider was mapbox (openstreetmap plus commercial sources) and I doubt mapbox collected more data than Apple is now.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>sjroot</author><text>This allows Apple to continue selling their hardware and software to people living in China (of which there are a lot). This is not a problem with Apple, but a problem with China.</text></comment>