<story><title>‘Great Resignation’ gains steam as return-to-work plans take effect</title><url>https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/29/more-people-plan-to-quit-as-return-to-work-plans-go-into-effect-.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>mdorazio</author><text>I can only speak from personal experience, but fwiw I&amp;#x27;m currently consulting with 2 non-tech Fortune 500 companies.  Both have implemented &amp;quot;hybrid&amp;quot; return to office policies where employees have to live within 100 miles of the office and be able to come in 1 day a week or 1 day a month depending on team.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;ve talked with executives in charge of large teams at both companies about this issue and so far it looks like the actual resignation rate due to the policy is less than 10%.  Hiring, on the other hand, has gotten significantly harder and candidates are citing need for wfh as a reason they&amp;#x27;re not interested in open roles.&lt;p&gt;So, personally I think tech workers are overrepresented in the &amp;quot;wfh or quit&amp;quot; discussions, but there&amp;#x27;s a longer-term shift of some kind that&amp;#x27;s going to play out, especially in hiring.</text></item><item><author>null_object</author><text>I honestly don&amp;#x27;t know whether these articles are over-stating their case, and neither do I know how typical my own experience is, but for some reason it bothers me that the tone of the HN discussion is so reflexively dismissive.&lt;p&gt;I understand that a lot of people will respond to a question of whether they &lt;i&gt;intend&lt;/i&gt; to quit their job with a &lt;i&gt;&amp;#x27;you bet!&amp;#x27;&lt;/i&gt; even at the best of times, but I&amp;#x27;m seeing a lot of people quitting and switching right now, as different company plans are crystallized for the &amp;#x27;new normal&amp;#x27;.&lt;p&gt;In my current company (for another 2 months) I was interviewed to join a team of 12 tech developers, and a couple of months ago the first of the switchers quit to leave for another company specifically because they were guaranteeing remote-first work.&lt;p&gt;Then another &lt;i&gt;five&lt;/i&gt; of us quit over the following few weeks. We met up last week for a goodbye lunch in the park: half the team that I joined a year ago leaving the company over the Spring and Summer.&lt;p&gt;Is a 50% quit-rate normal? Maybe each of us had slightly different priorities and plans for the future? But I do know for sure that people are reflecting more than I&amp;#x27;ve ever experienced before, about their work environment, the balance in their lives, and prioritizing other things than 40-50 hours each week sitting in front of a screen, inside an office.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>onion2k</author><text>10% of people leaving during a time when hiring has gotten significantly harder sounds like a &lt;i&gt;serious&lt;/i&gt; problem for any company.</text></comment>
<story><title>‘Great Resignation’ gains steam as return-to-work plans take effect</title><url>https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/29/more-people-plan-to-quit-as-return-to-work-plans-go-into-effect-.html</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>mdorazio</author><text>I can only speak from personal experience, but fwiw I&amp;#x27;m currently consulting with 2 non-tech Fortune 500 companies.  Both have implemented &amp;quot;hybrid&amp;quot; return to office policies where employees have to live within 100 miles of the office and be able to come in 1 day a week or 1 day a month depending on team.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;ve talked with executives in charge of large teams at both companies about this issue and so far it looks like the actual resignation rate due to the policy is less than 10%.  Hiring, on the other hand, has gotten significantly harder and candidates are citing need for wfh as a reason they&amp;#x27;re not interested in open roles.&lt;p&gt;So, personally I think tech workers are overrepresented in the &amp;quot;wfh or quit&amp;quot; discussions, but there&amp;#x27;s a longer-term shift of some kind that&amp;#x27;s going to play out, especially in hiring.</text></item><item><author>null_object</author><text>I honestly don&amp;#x27;t know whether these articles are over-stating their case, and neither do I know how typical my own experience is, but for some reason it bothers me that the tone of the HN discussion is so reflexively dismissive.&lt;p&gt;I understand that a lot of people will respond to a question of whether they &lt;i&gt;intend&lt;/i&gt; to quit their job with a &lt;i&gt;&amp;#x27;you bet!&amp;#x27;&lt;/i&gt; even at the best of times, but I&amp;#x27;m seeing a lot of people quitting and switching right now, as different company plans are crystallized for the &amp;#x27;new normal&amp;#x27;.&lt;p&gt;In my current company (for another 2 months) I was interviewed to join a team of 12 tech developers, and a couple of months ago the first of the switchers quit to leave for another company specifically because they were guaranteeing remote-first work.&lt;p&gt;Then another &lt;i&gt;five&lt;/i&gt; of us quit over the following few weeks. We met up last week for a goodbye lunch in the park: half the team that I joined a year ago leaving the company over the Spring and Summer.&lt;p&gt;Is a 50% quit-rate normal? Maybe each of us had slightly different priorities and plans for the future? But I do know for sure that people are reflecting more than I&amp;#x27;ve ever experienced before, about their work environment, the balance in their lives, and prioritizing other things than 40-50 hours each week sitting in front of a screen, inside an office.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>makeitdouble</author><text>For now tech workers are at the edge, but I think if a company lets its engineering team have it, the other roles will come for it as well.&lt;p&gt;We’ve already seen it before the pandemic: where engineers had one day or half a day a week of remote as an exception,  it generally resulted in a push to have it applied to the other roles that could work from home (marketing etc.)</text></comment>