Snake as he had done to the DARPA Chief. During the torture, he also decided to have Snake play a little "game" during the torture sessions to see whether Snake could withstand the torture or submit, stating that if he submitted, Snake would be spared, but he would torture and kill Meryl Silverburgh as a result. During the interrogation, he revealed that he had fought wars in Afghanistan, Eritrea, Mozambique, and Chad, also revealing his allegiance to Gurlukovich and inferring that he planned to restore Russia.[13] Like Liquid, Ocelot's goal was to create a world of strife that allowed people to express their true feelings, believing that the current world had put humanity in a position where they could not do so.[21] Ocelot, anticipating that Snake would escapefrom the medical room, also planted a time bomb within Snake's equipment, though the latter eventually discovered and disposed of it.

Ocelot was later present with Liquid when deciding which to make REX's target, learning more of Liquid's plans about Outer Heaven, as well as wondering whether to keep Meryl as bait for Snake. When asked by Liquid about the detonation keys, Ocelot claimed that Snake didn't carry any keys. He later shot the PAL key out of Snake's hand, after catching a glimpse of him hiding on a security monitor.

Ocelot's true goal was realized when he retrieved REX's test data from Snake, as per the President's orders, without handing it over to Liquid. Towards the end of the Shadow Moses Incident, Ocelot discussed plans with Liquid concerning an