industry forum # 136 the industry forum
minute man ii
160 lbs . light - requires no electricity - under $ 6000 complete ! now everybody can be a foamer !
small , one time project ? froth - pak is the answer ! smallest self - contained out - of - box foam application for repairs and small jobs ! also available : insta - stick , tilebond , roofpak and more !
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the industry forum issue # 136
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# 136 - 1 : dik m , pa
it would be much more useful to the industry , if spfa would help find a " code conforming " fire barrier for attics , crawl spaces etc . , than lecture on fast and loose applications of code . something about 30 cents ( a bd . ft . ) installed , meeting all codes and spray applied . many companies we talk to have a product that appears to be perfect but they haven ' t spent the money to test over foam . maybe a small committee could do a evaluation of various products , report results to spfa , who in turn will " acquire funding " from us .
# 136 - 2 william b , australia
we are in australia but we are finding it hard to locate polyurea sprayers here so that we can start a chapter of the pda do u have any list of australian contractors / suppliers ? ? ? ? or maybe they can put their hand up and lets us know at enviroline @ powerup . com . au , it isfor the betterof the game that an association is need to inform clients and specifiers of the uses and properties of polyureas and train its own members , also to keep cowboys out that give the industry a bad name
# 136 - 3 ed m .
i am a writer for aviation magazines and one that i write for is a test international , a new publication that just launched this month . i need any new processes you might have that would be used on aircraft , particularly commercial aviation .
# 136 - 4 john c , louisiana
i have a foam cat 2000 graco machine and a probler gun with a 01 tip . i use this setup to spray truck bed liners . my question is can i and how do i spray foam insulation using my equipment ? and what are the different types of insulation ?
# 136 - 5 murph mahaffey , glas - craft
i like the new look of the industry forum !
# 136 - 6 mark w , south carolina
i ' m sick of all this garbage about covering foam with a " thermal barrier " . what the hell do you think foam is ? if you are saying that anything that can be forced to burn should be covered with a fireproof barrier , then you ' d better get busy covering all those trusses and joists and plywood up there that are definitely not carrying a class one fire rating . this double standard for foam is coming directly from those who stand to lose business from it . icynene is different . it doesn ' t burn alone . it doesn ' t melt . it doesn ' t emit phosgene . does it smoke in a fire situation ? sure , so what ?
blaming foam in the attic for a house fire because it forces the foam to eventually burn is about as stupid as blaming foam seat cushions for burning when a gas tank ruptures and burns up a car . get real , inspectors . you want us to cover up the only thing in the attic assembly that doesn ' t burn !
as for the vaunted r rating system , it is totally bogus . the test is designed to make porous insulations appear to perform better than they actually do . measuring only conduction and ignoring convection and radiant to convective transfer , the test should have been thrown out for the industry lackey it is 20 years ago , along with that obsolete fiberglassgarbage they ' re still selling everybody . there ' s a reason they don ' t make refrigerators , freezers coolers coffee cups out of fiberglass or cellulose . think about it .
# 136 - 7 dirk benthien , forum moderator
thank you , mark and dik , for your statements above . i also feel that far too often individuals and companies are too complacent and quietly live with rules and regulations without trying to change them - even if everybody knows they do not make sense . we are all experts and representatives of this industry and should speak up and promote change !
# 136 - 8 martin s , canada
does anyone make a dispensing machine for crumb rubber / urethane blends ?
# 136 - 9 carole l , california re # 135 - 8 otto v , germany
what are the answers ? ( phase - out of 141 b )
# 136 - 10 brian d , canada
there has been a lot of talk about ceramic coatings . we are a distributor of such a coating . we have never professed an r - 20 . reason = is there isn ' t an astm test available to measure coatings for r - value . we compare standardized insulation to ceramic coatings via btu loss calculations . depending on the criteria we can equal 2 to 3 inches of standard insulation with an aluminum jacket . we have the data and the projects to prove it .
# 136 - 11 cpi
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industry forum # 136
the industry forum
minute man ii
160 lbs . light - requires no electricity - under $ 6000 complete ! now everybody can be a foamer !
small , one time project ? froth - pak is the answer ! smallest self - contained out - of - box foam application for repairs and small jobs ! also available : insta - stick , tilebond , roofpak and more !
get your copy of the industry catalog ! most complete reference for our industry !
click on the picture above to learn more about the equipment !
the industry forum issue # 136
10341 forum members
# 136 - 1 : dik m , pa
it would be much more useful to the industry , if spfa would help find a " code conforming " fire barrier for attics , crawl spaces etc . , than lecture on fast and loose applications of code . something about 30 cents ( a bd . ft . ) installed , meeting all codes and spray applied . many companies we talk to have a product that appears to be perfect but they haven ' t spent the money to test over foam . maybe a small committee could do a evaluation of various products , report results to spfa , who in turn will " acquire funding " from us .
# 136 - 2 william b , australia
we are in australia but we are finding it hard to locate polyurea sprayers here so that we can start a chapter of the pda do u have any list of australian contractors / suppliers ? ? ? ? or maybe they can put their hand up and lets us know at enviroline @ powerup . com . au , it isfor the betterof the game that an association is need to inform clients and specifiers of the uses and properties of polyureas and train its own members , also to keep cowboys out that give the industry a bad name
# 136 - 3 ed m .
i am a writer for aviation magazines and one that i write for is a test international , a new publication that just launched this month . i need any new processes you might have that would be used on aircraft , particularly commercial aviation .
# 136 - 4 john c , louisiana
i have a foam cat 2000 graco machine and a probler gun with a 01 tip . i use this setup to spray truck bed liners . my question is can i and how do i spray foam insulation using my equipment ? and what are the different types of insulation ?
# 136 - 5 murph mahaffey , glas - craft
i like the new look of the industry forum !
# 136 - 6 mark w , south carolina
i ' m sick of all this garbage about covering foam with a " thermal barrier " . what the hell do you think foam is ? if you are saying that anything that can be forced to burn should be covered with a fireproof barrier , then you ' d better get busy covering all those trusses and joists and plywood up there that are definitely not carrying a class one fire rating . this double standard for foam is coming directly from those who stand to lose business from it . icynene is different . it doesn ' t burn alone . it doesn ' t melt . it doesn ' t emit phosgene . does it smoke in a fire situation ? sure , so what ?
blaming foam in the attic for a house fire because it forces the foam to eventually burn is about as stupid as blaming foam seat cushions for burning when a gas tank ruptures and burns up a car . get real , inspectors . you want us to cover up the only thing in the attic assembly that doesn ' t burn !
as for the vaunted r rating system , it is totally bogus . the test is designed to make porous insulations appear to perform better than they actually do . measuring only conduction and ignoring convection and radiant to convective transfer , the test should have been thrown out for the industry lackey it is 20 years ago , along with that obsolete fiberglassgarbage they ' re still selling everybody . there ' s a reason they don ' t make refrigerators , freezers coolers coffee cups out of fiberglass or cellulose . think about it .
# 136 - 7 dirk benthien , forum moderator
thank you , mark and dik , for your statements above . i also feel that far too often individuals and companies are too complacent and quietly live with rules and regulations without trying to change them - even if everybody knows they do not make sense . we are all experts and representatives of this industry and should speak up and promote change !
# 136 - 8 martin s , canada
does anyone make a dispensing machine for crumb rubber / urethane blends ?
# 136 - 9 carole l , california re # 135 - 8 otto v , germany
what are the answers ? ( phase - out of 141 b )
# 136 - 10 brian d , canada
there has been a lot of talk about ceramic coatings . we are a distributor of such a coating . we have never professed an r - 20 . reason = is there isn ' t an astm test available to measure coatings for r - value . we compare standardized insulation to ceramic coatings via btu loss calculations . depending on the criteria we can equal 2 to 3 inches of standard insulation with an aluminum jacket . we have the data and the projects to prove it .
# 136 - 11 cpi
we have inquiries from a number of people for used equipment - especially gusmer h 20 / 35 , h 2000 , h 2 , gx - 7 and glas - craft probler . please contact 805 - 552 - 9128 . + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
end of messages .
this forum welcomes anyone interested in the processing of single - or plural - component materials such as polyurethane , polyurea , coatings , epoxies , and other spray - applied materials .
the industry forum . a free eservice from
to ask or answer a question , or to contribute anything , simply send an e - mail to forum @ cpillc . com
used gusmer h 20 / 35 and probler gun for sale ! 805 - 552 - 9128
your privacy is protected ! please read the policies and rules at cpillc . com .
show your name here ! become a sponsor ! call 805 - 552 - 9128 or send an email to cpi .
read this and previous forum issues all on one page . it will only work if you are connected to the internet ! click here to go to cpillc . com / forumdiscussion . htm .
visit cpi , llc on the web . click http : / / www . cpillc . com /
cpi is authorized distributor for all leading manufacturers in this industry including gusmer , glas - craft , graco , resin technology , dynasolve .
cpi ' s customers enjoy impartial advice , full service , life - long free phone support , training and set - up with all new system at a very fair price !
shop our online warehouse 24 / 7 most efficient procurement anywhere ! www . cpillc . com / warehouse . htm
job marketspray jobs
did we miss someone ? feel free to submit any number of e - mail addresses of coworkers and friends to be included here . again , this service is free for all ! help grow our forum !
we ' re cpi . we make it work !
call us toll - free 877 - cpi - 2100805 - 552 - 9128
copyright ( c ) 2000 , 2001 , 2002 cpi , llc . all rights reserved . disclaimers and limitations of liabilities posted at cpillc . comthis free eservice is made possible by cpi . please visit their web site at www . cpillc . com or call toll - free 877 - 274 - 2600 or 805 - 552 - 9128 . if you wish to unsubscribe , please hit the reply button - subject = remove . please allow 3 days to take effect .
