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No deberíamos arrojar personal, dinero o poderes a una organización sólo porque existan problemas. Esos problemas existen y debemos encontrar la solución al problema.
El Sr. Bösch se ha ocupado, acertadamente, del problema de identificar y perseguir el fraude cuando éste se produce. No estoy de acuerdo con todo su informe.
Tengo mis dudas sobre varios apartados - 14, 15 y 16, por ejemplo, en lo relativo al fundamento jurídico y si es o no necesario involucrar a responsables nacionales y europeos para resolver problemas de fraude que afectan más a Estados nacionales que a la Unión Europea. He agotado mi tiempo sin poder decir lo que tenía pensado, pero quería responder a algunos de los argumentos que se han presentado.
Señor Presidente, me gustaría comenzar felicitando al Sr. ponente por su excelente informe y el hecho de que mi querido colega italiano esté en contra sólo significa que se trata realmente de un informe de muy alta calidad.
Aunque las proporciones del fraude y las irregularidades hayan descendido un poco de 1997 a 1998, aún siguen siendo necesarios mecanismos de control más eficaces.
La reforma de la Comisión ha quedado encarrilada. El Sr. Kinnock ha presentado un calendario y ahora nos toca dar una de cal y otra de arena.
Estoy muy impresionado por el plan de reforma.
En conjunto, resulta tanto visionario como realista.
Con todo, existen ciertos puntos que debemos resaltar y criticar. El Parlamento ya propuso en el informe Van Hulten la necesidad de crear una instancia externa dependiente del Tribunal de Cuentas que se encargara de los expedientes disciplinarios y ayudara a cobrar el dinero desembolsado indebidamente.
Me parece que debemos insistir en esta idea. Si se crea esta instancia, esto querrá decir que los expedientes disciplinarios serán sacados de la Comisión.
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We should not throw staff, money or powers at an organisation just because problems exist. Those problems exist and we have dealt with the solution to the problem.
Mr Bösch has rightly dealt with the problem of identifying and prosecuting fraud when it occurs. I do not agree with all of his report.
There are a number of paragraphs I have doubts about - 14, 15 and 16 for example, regarding the legal basis and whether it is necessary to involve both national and European responsibility to resolve problems of fraud that affect national states more than they do the European Union.
I have run out of time without saying what I wanted to say but I wanted to respond to some of the points already made.
Mr President, I should like to begin by congratulating the rapporteur on a very good report. The very fact that my Italian colleague is opposed to it means that it really is a report of very high quality.
Even though there was a slight decline in fraud and irregularities between 1997 and 1998, there is nonetheless still a need for more effective supervisory mechanisms.
Reform of the Commission is now under way. Mr Kinnock has submitted a timetable, and it is now up to us to applaud it. I am very impressed with the reform plan.
In general, it is both visionary and realistic.
There are nonetheless a number of sticking points, and these are what we ought to draw attention to and criticise.
Parliament has already proposed, in the Van Hulten report, that an external court should be established under the aegis of the Court of Auditors. This would deal with disciplinary matters and help recover money which has been paid out unlawfully.
This idea is one we should stick to, I think. If such a body were to be established, this would mean that disciplinary matters would be taken away from the Commission.