2011/09/15/#edubuntu.txt

[05:49] <cache_surplus> quick question, i just loaded 10.04 LTS edubuntu and i want to switch to a different desktop/installation for i noticed during install from DVD 2.7 gig worth of different Desktop Managers. how do i switch like the old days where i can select kde or gnome but in the edubuntu OS for say a 4th grader
[05:49] <cache_surplus> is there a prompt during log in somewhere to switch between ed and some other ed version?
[05:49] <cache_surplus> thanks
[05:50] <cache_surplus> basically be able to switch between the 5 options for diff desktops that i saw during install.
[06:06] <tsimpson> cache_surplus: there should be an option in the menu on the login manager
[06:07] <cache_surplus> there should be, i dont see it, here is a screen shot. point to where it is, please. thanks
[06:07] <cache_surplus> http://ScrnSht.com/darfkr
[06:07] <cache_surplus> i just dont see it ... trust me i know what your talking about, but its not there
[06:08] <cache_surplus> all i see is shutdown, and UA access menu
[06:10] <alkisg> cache_surplus: click on the username first, then look at the bottom for the session + language menus
[06:10] <alkisg> Just before entering the password
[06:11] <cache_surplus> http://ScrnSht.com/mbvjfi
[06:11] <alkisg> Yes, there it is. Now if you install e.g. KDE you'll see it there
[06:11] <cache_surplus> yah got it, but now it doesnt show diff tertiary grade levels as promised lol
[06:12] <cache_surplus> how to switch from 2nd graders say to 8th graders
[06:12] <alkisg> Who promiced different sessions  per grade?!
[06:12] <alkisg> Do you mean the edubuntu menu editor?
[06:17] <cache_surplus> i guess
[06:17] <cache_surplus> im new to edubuntu but not linux
[06:18] <cache_surplus> i just tried a user defined session, i dont see anything were i can switch grades/programs
[06:18] <alkisg> The edubuntu menu editor is just a program, you can run it normally once you've logged in
[06:18] <cache_surplus> ok
[06:18] <cache_surplus> ill log out and and back in, and work with menu editor, cool, but will it allow or show different predefined desktops
[06:18] <alkisg> Not desktop, just sets of menus
[06:18] <cache_surplus> ok
[06:19] <alkisg> For more customization, like e.g. panels, there's sabayon
[06:19] <alkisg> Sometimes sabayon can be a bit unstable though
[06:37] <cache_surplus> saybayon?
[06:37] <cache_surplus> ok, here is my question, in another way
[06:39] <cache_surplus> when i installed from 2.7 gig dvd that used up 15 gigs of drive space, it loaded specificed, desktop sessions that are supposed to be for different grade levels. i do not see how a kid is going to easily switch to those,,, its not intuitive nor menu driven from what i can see, UNLESS you know how to do it with a mouse, then I am all ears. im trying to do this for kids to use
[06:39] <cache_surplus> saybayon is what? menu creator?
[06:39] <cache_surplus> is it in repos?
[06:40] <cache_surplus> so where are the menus, is the bottomline question kids can switch to? i am using unity 2d at the moment, looks nice :) for kids
[06:45] <alkisg> cache_surplus: AFAIK edubuntu doesn't contain "specificed, desktop sessions that are supposed to be for different grade levels"
[06:45] <alkisg> It contains *packages* for different grade levels, not sessions
[06:46] <alkisg> So in the "education" menu you can find software for different grade levels. If you want to only show part of the education menu to specific groups, there comes edubuntu menu editor.
[06:47] <alkisg> Gnome sabayon is this: http://live.gnome.org/Sabayon
[06:52] <cache_surplus> alkisg: have you loaded edbuntu recently? 10.04 LTS is what i have
[06:53] <alkisg> Yes, I've loaded edubuntu 10.04, why?
[06:53] <cache_surplus> if you did, you will see it loaded up 5-6 different specified sessions with arrow drop downs to show that they were unique, i wish that was the case according to the splash/login/gdm menu
[06:53] <cache_surplus> it woudl have been nice
[06:54] <cache_surplus> no kid will figure this out at first/second/third glance
[06:54] <cache_surplus> im promoting this distro for kids
[06:54] <cache_surplus> as such
[06:54] <alkisg> I'm not sure I understand what you're saying, can you provide a screenshot?
[06:54] <cache_surplus> but when i tried it today, i was disappointed, so to the powers that be, they should implement those menus like asap lol
[06:55] <cache_surplus> yah scroll up
[06:55] <cache_surplus> i did
[06:55] <alkisg> The one I saw earlier, i.e. the login manager?
[06:55] <cache_surplus> (11:11:47 PM) cache_surplus: http://ScrnSht.com/mbvjfi
[06:55] <alkisg> OK let's step back a bit
[06:55] <alkisg> You want different sessions per level, right?
[06:55] <cache_surplus> its funny in irc they say dont repost things lol... i disagree, i will repost like every 20 mins if i feel it just be done
[06:55] <cache_surplus> yes
[06:55] <cache_surplus> thats what i need
[06:56] <alkisg> I don't think edubuntu promiced that, and as I teacher I don't think it's appropriate either
[06:56] <alkisg> Because different countries need different software per level
[06:56] <cache_surplus> so say, 1-3 grade users, pick this one, and so forth up to 12 grade
[06:56] <cache_surplus> it was really what i saw in the loading of it today, that made me say that
[06:56] <alkisg> So, edubuntu should either provide hundreds of different sessions, per grade, and per country,
[06:56] <alkisg> or a customization method
[06:56] <cache_surplus> it was already specified by grades
[06:56] <alkisg> And now it provides the second part
[06:56] <cache_surplus> not 11.x
[06:56] <cache_surplus> but 10.04 LTS
[06:56] <alkisg> Those are packages, not sessions
[06:56] <cache_surplus> edubuntu
[06:57] <alkisg> You can install all of them, and then separate them as you wish with e.g. the edubuntu menu editor
[06:57] <cache_surplus> how ever it said, it loaded up 15 gigs of space on the drive loading thousands of programs
[06:57] <cache_surplus> oh ok
[06:57] <cache_surplus> this is what i am asking
[06:57] <cache_surplus> i loaded them all up correct
[06:57] <cache_surplus> where is the edubuntu menu editor
[06:57] <cache_surplus> i wish to seperate them
[06:57] <alkisg> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/Documentation/Edubuntu-menueditor
[06:57] <cache_surplus> i feel they are already seperated, at least thats how the install showcased it
[06:58] <cache_surplus> is that a screen shot link ?
[06:58] <alkisg> No, it's a wiki tutorial link
[06:58] <alkisg> It also has screenshots, just vist it
[06:58] <cache_surplus> i guess your not geting my point, it should be already menuedited... no kid will figure this out 1/2/3/4th glance
[06:58] <cache_surplus> ok
[06:58] <cache_surplus> ill go
[06:58] <alkisg> This is for teachers
[06:58] <alkisg> Not for kids
[06:58] <cache_surplus> its for kids
[06:58] <alkisg> Teachers should use menu editor, not kids
[06:59] <cache_surplus> ic
[06:59] <cache_surplus> that helps :)
[06:59] <cache_surplus> you mean the menu editing stuff
[06:59] <alkisg> Kids would only want to install their grade package
[06:59] <cache_surplus> got it
[06:59] <alkisg> (in their homes)
[07:00] <cache_surplus> ok so the menuconfig is where
[07:00] <alkisg> Look, there are many use cases beside yours... e.g. for some countries primary education = 4 years, for others = 7 years
[07:00] <cache_surplus> i can figure out the rest, i just thought i was done already
[07:00] <alkisg> There has to be some finer-grained customization tool, like theedubuntu menu editor
[07:00] <alkisg> See the wiki link I posted
[07:00] <alkisg> It explains where to find and how to use the menu editor
[07:01] <cache_surplus> lastly, is there a place a file was stored/log if you will of that initial menu i checked during install?
[07:01] <cache_surplus> is that on the dvd, where is that script
[07:01] <cache_surplus> name of it,, would help. i find it
[07:44] <Nubae> alkisg: sounds interesting, would you mind bringing me up to speed as to what the changes are for the latest buntu releases... Am afraid I've been slightly out of touch, working on other things.... man needs to eat ;-)
[07:45] <alkisg> Hi Nubae. I'm not 100% up to date myself, as I'm doing my phd, so I too have yet to catch up with the latest edubuntu changes
[07:45] <alkisg> I know about the edubuntu menu editor, and about unity 2d in 11.04, but I don't know much else
[07:46] <alkisg> Guess we'll have to read the wiki + try it for ourselves when we have the time :)
[07:47] <alkisg> Where are you now? In Spain?
[07:47] <Nubae> yeah still here
[07:47] <Nubae> Likely that London or Dublin may be proximal destinations
[07:48] <Nubae> but first, I'm trying to work through a startup I began recently
[07:48] <Nubae> unlocking/unblocking consoles/mobile phones
[07:49] <alkisg> I like how open you are to env. changes, changing countries like that
[07:49] <Nubae> It only becomes interesting though when larger quantities are asked for
[07:49] <Nubae> why jot?
[07:49] <Nubae> why nnot even?
[07:49] <Nubae> :-)
[07:49] <alkisg> :D
[07:49] <Nubae> I'm used to travelling u know
[07:49] <Nubae> forced upon me  by my parents at a yioung age
[07:50] <Nubae> of course has its down sides
[07:50] <alkisg> Ah, yeah that helps
[07:50] <alkisg> Me, I've only been at a different city back when a was a univ. student
[07:50] <Nubae> not settling down means women tend to shy away from my adventerous spirit
[07:50] <Nubae> and babies aren't exactly my strong suit so
[07:51] <alkisg> Of course I've travelled a lot, but never stayed for a long time outside my home town other than that
[07:51] <alkisg> :D
[07:51] <alkisg> Hehe, let's see what you have to say about that in 5, 10 years
[07:51] <Nubae> ah.... vacationing tourist ;-)
[07:51] <alkisg> When some woman has given you 3-4 babies
[07:51] <Nubae> oh god... what are u saying
[07:51]  * Nubae covers his eyes
[07:52] <Nubae> I'm getting too old for that but of course women prefer older guys, etc etc
[07:52] <Nubae> so maybe
[07:53] <Nubae> still, now.... work and learning are my prime passions and goals
[07:53] <Nubae> On another n0te... and this is probably more private so I'll move it there