2012/09/07/#kubuntu.txt

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[00:12] <unheeding> okay, KDE is the best desktop
[00:12] <unheeding> most mature
[00:13] <Schrodinger`Cat> :)
[00:17] <unheeding> it Just Works
[00:20] <Schrodinger`Cat> and apt-get aptitude RoX
[00:20] <Schrodinger`Cat> i have to plan to get kubuntu
[00:21] <SIR_Taco> Schrodinger`Cat: are you alive or dead?
[00:23] <Schrodinger`Cat> SIR_Taco: ^^ im a little bit intricated now...
[00:24] <SIR_Taco> No.....nope...sorry... the correct answer was: "yes" ;)
[00:24] <Schrodinger`Cat> kubuntu is not anymore pay by canonical ?
[00:25] <Schrodinger`Cat> but still using official ubuntu repos ?
[00:26] <Schrodinger`Cat> (sorry for my english)
[00:26] <Schrodinger`Cat> i try my best, but im french and my english skills are low
[00:27] <SIR_Taco> Schrodinger`Cat: I believe there weren't many paid by Canonical to begin with...
[00:27] <Schrodinger`Cat> ok
[00:27] <Schrodinger`Cat> so... Kubuntu is not dead ?
[00:27] <Schrodinger`Cat> i hope so much
[00:27] <[Raiden]> not dead! )
[00:28] <Schrodinger`Cat> it was my first distro linux :)
[00:28] <SIR_Taco> pas de soucis mon ami
[00:29] <Schrodinger`Cat> there isnt any french chan for kubuntu ? i try #kubuntu-fr but i have been redirected on #ubuntu-fr
[00:31] <SIR_Taco> Schrodinger`Cat: it would seem that that's the only French one
[00:32] <Schrodinger`Cat> thanks SIR_Taco
[00:33] <SIR_Taco> Schrodinger`Cat: soyez le bienvenu
[00:34] <Schrodinger`Cat> merci bien SIR_Taco
[00:35] <Schrodinger`Cat> keeping an /home made with archlinux, on a new Kubuntu, not a good idea?
[00:39] <SIR_Taco> Schrodinger`Cat: it shouldn't cause problems
[00:51] <Schrodinger`Cat> thanks
[00:51] <Schrodinger`Cat> whitout any trolling, im thinnking about pro/cons for choosing kubuntu or opensuse
[00:51] <Schrodinger`Cat> what is the avantages of kuubntu, please?
[00:54] <SIR_Taco> Schrodinger`Cat: I'm not entirely sure. I haven't used Suse in about 10 years
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[01:35] <phunyguy> I am having a hard time trying to get my iphone to be seen by anything except dolphin to read the music on it.. are iphone 4s currently supported for anything yet in Kubuntu? or just Ubuntu? (works there)
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[01:55] <Deet`> ok, i am attempting to recover 2 external hard drives that were damaged while loged in to windows. both have new enclosures and cannot be accessed by windows.
[01:56] <Deet`> i am currently inside a live disk Kubuntu 12.04, pluged in the first hard drive but i cant seem to locate it :/
[01:56] <Deet`> any know how i might find the drive?
[02:05] <Deet`> ok, i got  lsusb to admit one drive exists, but it just shows me an IDE/SATA adapter. i can't seem to locate an actual drive
[02:07] <kubuntu_> ....
[02:07] <kubuntu_> infernal contraption
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[02:10] <SIR_Taco> oh, right, that was the other onee
[02:11] <kubuntu_> ....
[02:11] <kubuntu_> this is why i hate quassel
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[02:11] <SIR_Taco> much better
[02:12] <Deet`> so did i miss anyone answering me due to mystical disconnests?
[02:12] <Deet`> disconnects*
[02:15] <SIR_Taco> Deet`: USB or ESATA?
[02:15] <kubuntu__> its a USB enclosure. one is USB 2.0, the other 3.0
[02:16] <kubuntu__> why does it say my nick is deet next to my chat bar, but show kubuntu__ when i post
[02:16] <Deet`> crap i hate this program D:
[02:17] <Deet`> ahem, SIR_Taco, USB enclosures
[02:17] <SIR_Taco> anyway....
[02:18] <Deet`> the 3.0 unit does not show up on my lsusb list at all :/
[02:18] <SIR_Taco> they don't show up hardwired in? (ie through sata or ide?)
[02:18] <Deet`> the usb 2.0 unit shows an IDE/SATA device. lemme plug that on back in
[02:21] <Deet`> http://pastebin.com/4JLLRnLh
[02:23] <SIR_Taco> Deet`: but can you take thee drive out and plug it in to a SATA cable?
[02:24] <Deet`> i don't have that capability. working with a netbook with a live disk., none of my desktops have SATA connections
[02:27] <SIR_Taco> Deet`: don't know what to tell you. I've recovered many drives that Windows decided was beyond repair. But never through USB
[02:32] <Deet`> well, i know the reason one is stuck is because windows XP doesn't let go of a drive just because of a power loss
[02:32] <Deet`> the other one i'm not so sure about
[02:33] <Deet`> but the first on doesn't even show up on my computer
[02:33] <SIR_Taco> Deet`: you should be able to mount regardless
[02:33] <Deet`> are there any known problems with 3.0 devices?
[02:35] <SIR_Taco> not that I know of lately
[02:35] <Deet`> well, i'm gonna try to swap enclosures to see what that does
[02:35] <Deet`> i know the drive in the 3.0 enclosure is not physically damaged. the other one i'm not so certian
[02:41] <Deet`> ok, one drive is found. but it seems to have misplaced its partition table
[02:46] <Deet`> found some tools for that. gonna try 'em out later. bed tiem now. thanks for the help
[04:23] <jokerdino> hey, anyone home?
[04:25] <tyche> Sometimes.  Sometimes we're out.  And then there's people like me that are permanently out to lunch.
[04:31] <phunyguy> well that sucked
[04:31] <phunyguy> ran updates on 12.10 and it wouldnt boot into KDE desktop afterwards
[04:31] <phunyguy> had to reinstall
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[08:55] <lordievader> Good morning.
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[09:51] <jmzc> hi
[09:51] <jmzc> how I can execute a bash script clicking on it in Doplhin ?
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[11:27] <faLUCE> hi. is it possible to install (x/k/l)ubuntu on zelig pad 700 ?
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[11:49] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:51] <monkeyjuice> morning BluesKaj
[11:51] <BluesKaj> 'morning monkeyjuice
[12:02] <BluesKaj> raining here , monkeyjuice ..what's the weather there ?
[12:02] <monkeyjuice> looks like rain ,none yet
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[12:21] <faLUCE> hi. Is it possible to install (k/l/x)ubuntu on a zelig pad 700 ?
[12:23] <hateball> Most things are possible, but it's probably not a one-click experience in that case
[12:23] <faLUCE> hateball: the problem is that I don't find a start (a web page or whatsoever) for that
[12:24] <hateball> Well I had never heard of the device, it doesnt seem as common as say a Samsung Galaxy Tab :)
[12:24] <hateball> So chances are not many people have fiddled with it, I guess
[13:23] <excognac> hi all. Plasma-desktop repeatedly crashes, even i removed ./kde and subsituated. otherwise fully updated 12.04 pn a laptop (i3-2310M, 4GB RAM no hardware issues)
[13:27] <Riddell> excognac: running 12.04 or 12.10 ?
[13:28] <excognac> running 12.04
[13:32] <Peace-> excognac: run plasma-desktop on konsole
[13:32] <Peace-> excognac: disabkle kwin effects
[13:36] <excognac> Peace-: QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave.
[13:36] <Peace-> excognac: go #kde
[13:37] <Peace-> excognac: maybe you should enable even kdebugdialog
[13:37] <Peace-> run it enable all
[13:39] <excognac> Peace-: how i do that?
[13:41] <Peace-> excognac: run  kdebugdialog
[13:42] <excognac> ok, here's the output :~$ kdebugdialog --fullmode
[13:42] <excognac> QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave.
[13:42] <Peace-> excognac:  you need to learn how to report  bugs
[13:42] <Peace-> !bugs
[13:42] <ubottu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs.
[13:44] <excognac> shall i post it on launchpad?
[13:47] <tsimpson> that D-Bus bug is already known
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[14:09] <excognac> okk. i reported mz d-bus issue as a duplicate. shall i do a fresh install now or what_
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[17:14] <serge_> Hello I'am update kernel :) and after update  when kubuntu is loading black screen(( how fix it?
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[17:43] <fz11> hello
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[18:19] <excognac> canonical
[18:32] <pozop> question about bit depth in audio. I imported 16 bit audio into Audacity. My Audacity has 32 bit set as default. Now I have realised that. Can I just change the audacity settings down to 16 bit?
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[18:54] <mah454> Hello ...
[18:54] <mah454> How can change KDE default configuration for All new Users ?
[18:54] <mah454> I want to make new LiveCD and need change it ...
[18:54] <mah454> How can do this ?
[19:00] <mah454> nobody help me ?
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[19:26] <Smo_> sorry mah454, whats the problem?
[19:27] <mah454> Smo_: nothing ... ! find answer in #kubuntu-devel
[19:28] <Smo_> alright
[20:05] <datruth> WHat makes kubunutu boot up slowly  overtime? is my HDD dying?
[20:08] <DarthFrog> datruth:  Try running smartctl on that drive.  And/or palimpset.  You'll get the info you need about your drive from those utilities.
[20:09] <datruth> DarthFrog: I've done smartmonctl and the drive is fine
[20:11] <DarthFrog> Then it's not dying.
[20:12] <DarthFrog> :-)
[20:13] <datruth> DarthFrog: what could be making my boot times slow?
[20:13] <DF_Meyer_> datruth: Could you generate some bootcharts for us?
[20:14] <datruth> DF_Meyer_: how do I do that?
[20:14] <datruth> My system as went from booting in 10seconds now its almost a minute :(
[20:15] <DF_Meyer_> datruth: http://www.webupd8.org/2009/04/ubuntu-boot-chart-make-graph-with-your.html
[20:15] <DF_Meyer_> datruth: Normal causes of slow boot times is DHCP, and mounting network shares. First generate the bootcharts and then we ca see.
[20:16] <DarthFrog> datruth: You can also press Esc when the Kubuntu boot screen appears to see the boot startup.  Perhaps something is hanging.
[20:19] <datruth> Installing
[20:19] <datruth> I removed my network shares from the fstab because it would stop me from shutting down the pc
[20:19] <datruth> err computer
[20:36] <datruth> Ok finally got installed
[20:36] <datruth> let me post the png file
[20:38] <datruth> is there like a paste pic website?
[20:39] <datruth> Does powering off the computer kill the hard-drive?
[20:40] <DF_Meyer_> imgur is good.
[20:43] <datruth> one sec
[20:46] <datruth> wow seems to be hanging
[20:46] <datruth> what am I looking for in the bootchat?
[20:46] <DF_Meyer_> Something that's taking long and holding other processes up
[20:54] <datruth> DF_Meyer_: http://www.gurutechie.com/bootchart.png
[20:58] <datruth> DF_Meyer_: what do you see?
[20:59] <datruth> hrmm perhaps its fsck
[20:59] <datruth> it says unable to write bytes broken pipe
[21:01] <DF_Meyer_> datruth: Hmm, thats really busy and unfortunately beyong my capacity to debug. You should look at starting less virtual consoles on boot. Maybe avoid mounting an ntfs partion on boot too. Maybe look at starting network manager on demand . Those are the things that pop at me. Show it maybe to somebody else in a little while and see if they can help.
[21:01] <DF_Meyer_> Cheers
[21:02] <datruth> heh
[21:20] <goodtime> virtual on boot heh
[21:20] <goodtime> asking for probs right there
[21:24] <goodtime> first youll need alot of ram a cpu for all that virtual stuff
[21:24] <goodtime> hence why i just run just one desktop
[21:47] <datruth> goodtime: how do I stop it?
[21:48] <goodtime> stop what
[21:48] <goodtime> the virtual desktops
[21:49] <datruth> yes
[21:49] <goodtime> uninstall is what i do
[21:49] <datruth> how is that done?
[21:49] <goodtime> they will be there later if you want them back
[21:49] <goodtime> you running kubuntu?
[21:49] <goodtime> 12.04lts?
[21:49] <datruth> goodtime: yes
[21:50] <goodtime> go to your softwear center
[21:50] <goodtime> type in what you r looking for and remove it
[21:50] <datruth> heh
[21:51] <goodtime> prob ask you for your password
[21:51] <datruth> yeah I dont know what im looking for
[21:51] <goodtime> what desktops are you running
[21:52] <goodtime> wine?
[21:56] <datruth> umm I have virtualbox
[21:56] <datruth> and I can not get rid of that
[22:02] <monkeyjuice> datruth:  open muon, click on by status , then installed
[22:02] <goodtime> install midnight commander
[22:02] <goodtime> delete it
[22:03] <goodtime> youll never be able to install it again on that os thoe
[22:03] <goodtime> but it will be gone
[22:03] <goodtime> midnight commander is a terminal app
[22:03] <goodtime> it runs off your terminal
[22:04] <goodtime> very dangerous if your not careful
[22:05] <goodtime> but you should be ok to do that
[22:05] <goodtime> and if you do decide to use that method delete all
[22:05] <goodtime> there will be some choices
[22:05] <goodtime> chose all
[22:24] <datruth> Mount count:              150
[22:24] <datruth> Maximum mount count:      -1
[22:24] <datruth> could this make my fsck run everytime on boot?
[22:26] <goodtime> you can just uninstall virtualbox with the softwarecenter
[22:27] <goodtime> im sure of it
[22:27] <datruth> No I dont want to do that
[22:27] <datruth> I need virtualbox
[22:27] <datruth> How can I disable fsck from running at boot?
[22:27] <goodtime> unless you have the only kubuntu without it
[22:27] <goodtime> hang on ill ask some experts for you in a differnt channel
[22:28] <goodtime> goolge it man
[22:29] <datruth> I have man
[22:29] <datruth> I have
[22:29] <goodtime> sorry im not that good yet but goole has done wonders for me
[22:29] <goodtime> hmm hang on
[22:29] <TheLordOfTime> !google
[22:29] <ubottu> While Google is useful for helpers, many newer users don't have the google-fu yet. Please don't tell people to "google it" when they ask a question.
[22:29] <goodtime> ok
[22:29] <goodtime> sorry
[22:29] <TheLordOfTime> datruth:  there's method behind the madness for forcing fsck
[22:29] <TheLordOfTime> datruth:  over time, ext4 filesystems can sometimes crupt themselves
[22:29] <goodtime> im still learnning the rules here
[22:29] <datruth> I think I'll do a clean install that seems ti be the only fix ;/
[22:30] <TheLordOfTime> or become unclean
[22:30] <datruth> TheLordOfTime: but it says it's clean
[22:30] <TheLordOfTime> by having it run periodically, cruft and broken things can be cleaned
[22:30] <TheLordOfTime> datruth:  doesn't matter, over time it can become unclean
[22:30] <TheLordOfTime> that's why its forced
[22:30] <goodtime> hmmm now i know that nice
[22:30] <datruth> TheLordOfTime: so how can I fix this?
[22:30] <TheLordOfTime> datruth:  by just running it every time, or not shut down your system?
[22:31] <datruth> I do not want fsck to run every time on boot
[22:31] <TheLordOfTime> it won't
[22:31] <datruth> So how do I stop fsck from running on boot when my filesystem is clean
[22:32] <TheLordOfTime> it only does so after so many mounts
[22:32] <TheLordOfTime> you don't
[22:32] <TheLordOfTime> becuase it iwont know its clean until it fscks
[22:32] <TheLordOfTime> and it really doesnt take  long
[22:32] <datruth> TheLordOfTime: then I need to format my system and start over?
[22:32] <TheLordOfTime> that's not what i said is it
[22:32] <TheLordOfTime> you're putting words into my mouth
[22:32] <TheLordOfTime> and that's not nice.
[22:32] <datruth> Or find another distro that doesn't force me to run fsck on boot
[22:32] <TheLordOfTime> there is none
[22:32] <TheLordOfTime> debian forces it
[22:33] <TheLordOfTime> centos forces it after a while
[22:33] <TheLordOfTime> so do a few others./
[22:33] <datruth> This is pretty dumb
[22:33] <TheLordOfTime> but only after, oh, i think greater than 10 mounts?
[22:33] <datruth> I should have went with bsd
[22:33] <goodtime> man fsck
[22:33] <TheLordOfTime> so, only really every 10 days should you need to force it
[22:33] <goodtime> there you go
[22:33] <TheLordOfTime> s/force it/run it/
[22:33] <TheLordOfTime> if you shut down your computer ten times a day though
[22:33] <TheLordOfTime> you're doing it wrong.
[22:34] <TheLordOfTime> and if its delayed (i.e. no AC power, like in a laptop), it'll push until its booted with AC power
[22:34] <datruth> I've rebooted 15times in the last 2hrs and it does it on every boot
[22:34] <goodtime> tyr man fsck
[22:34] <goodtime> try*
[22:34] <TheLordOfTime> datruth:  because you need to run it *ONCE*
[22:34] <datruth> goodtime: I know how to use fsck
[22:34] <TheLordOfTime> run it once, and then see if it does it again
[22:34] <TheLordOfTime> it shouldnt
[22:34] <datruth> And I am saying that I have
[22:34] <datruth> an it does
[22:34] <goodtime> ok just trying to help ill stop if you would like
[22:34] <goodtime> sorry dude
[22:35] <TheLordOfTime> then something's wrong, datruth
[22:35] <TheLordOfTime> there's no reason it should be saying that each time
[22:35] <TheLordOfTime> unless fsck found something
[22:35] <TheLordOfTime> or if you cancelled it
[22:35] <goodtime> ofcourse "stop fsck on boot <distro> <version>" is too hard to think of i guess
[22:35] <datruth> TheLordOfTime: correct thats why I am at a loss.
[22:35] <TheLordOfTime> datruth:  did you *try* a reinstall?
[22:35] <TheLordOfTime> (back up your data first!)
[22:36] <datruth> lol
[22:36] <datruth> Alrighty thanks for the info folks.
[22:36] <TheLordOfTime> datruth:  or did you even try booting into the LiveUSB
[22:36] <TheLordOfTime> or live env.
[22:36] <TheLordOfTime> and then manually fsck the drive
[22:36] <datruth> Im just gonna format and start over
[22:36] <TheLordOfTime> (that sometimes shows stuff the onboot fsck won't show)
[22:36] <goodtime> the whole point of me choseing to run linux in the first place is to not do the windows thing and reinstall
[22:37] <goodtime> good luck
[22:40] <goodtime> i do know that you can format useing the fstab
[22:40] <goodtime> prob with out wipeing out everything
[22:40] <goodtime> ok ill stop
[23:02] <Santiclause> Howdy! Anybody around at the moment?
[23:08] <Belial`> does anyone have qtcurve's window decorations working in kde 4.9?
[23:08] <Belial`> i have qtcurve installed, but i don't see anything for window decoration. just widget styles.
[23:21] <Santiclause> Man, I need some help with disk partitions. I'm trying to install Kubuntu on to a separate partition on the same hard drive as my windows 7 install, and I'm getting conflicting information from the various tools I'm using to try to figure shit out :(
[23:23] <Santiclause> The laptop hd was already partitioned in to C:\ and D:\ when I got it, so I shrunk D:\ to get ~50 gb of unallocated space
[23:24] <Santiclause> and now I'm in the... live boot? something? I'm in an uninstalled Kubuntu that I launched with UNetbootin.
[23:25] <Santiclause> sudo blkid lists the two drives properly - /dev/sda1 with label "OS_Install" (my C:\ drive), and /dev/sda2 with label "Data" (my D:\ drive)
[23:25] <Santiclause> but sudo fdisk -l lists two additional
[23:26] <Santiclause> http://pastebin.com/Qnf0HjJK
[23:26] <Santiclause> that's what it looks like for me
[23:27] <Santiclause> and I have no real idea what I'm doing with this, but it looks like the sizes are all wrong on the partitions
[23:27] <monkeyjuice> how many partitions do you have
[23:28] <monkeyjuice> you can only have 4 max
[23:29] <Santiclause> well
[23:29] <Santiclause> I don't know :X
[23:29] <Santiclause> I was able to partition the unallocated space in the windows disk manager
[23:30] <monkeyjuice> it should show you how many partitions you have can you still boot windows
[23:30] <Santiclause> I'll be back in a bit, switching to windows to try to see what's up on that end
[23:31] <DarthFrog> monkeyjuice:  Not quite correct.  You can only have 4 primary partitions.  However, one of those can be an extended partition, within which you can have many logical partitions.
[23:31] <monkeyjuice> 4 primary true
[23:31] <Santiclause> oh also, the /dev/sda3 and /dev/sda4 aren't actually in /dev/
[23:31] <Santiclause> so, I dunno :|
[23:31] <Santiclause> anyway, switching to windows
[23:36] <datruth> How can I disable the network manager from starting up at boot time this modem-manger?
[23:36] <Santiclause> so
[23:36] <Santiclause> it looks like there is 4 partitions
[23:36] <Taggnostr> hello
[23:37] <Santiclause> but two of them are "recovery partitions"... one is 100 mb, the other is 12 gb...
[23:37] <Santiclause> time to find out what those are for
[23:37] <Taggnostr> lately my pc is freezing, for a while and then the screen shows random patterns and two leds on the keyboard start flashing, do you know what it is and/or where could I look to figure out what's causing this?
[23:44] <monkeyjuice> Santiclause: http://askubuntu.com/questions/182794/how-do-i-partition-my-hard-drive-to-install-kubuntu
[23:45] <Santiclause> I'm currently trying to delete one of the recovery partitions, but having no luck :|
[23:45] <Santiclause> it's a 12gb recovery partition, but the option to delete it doesn't exist in the windows disk manager... :/
[23:54] <szal> tried a live CD w/ GParted on it?
[23:55] <Santiclause> I don't have any CDs or USB drives available to me
[23:55] <Santiclause> I'm doing it with UNetbootin
[23:56] <Santiclause> Huh...
[23:57] <Santiclause> so that tool just didn't help at all, I guess I'll try gparted in windows
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[23:59] <tsimpson> Santiclause: you can't change the partitions on a disk that's in use by the system, so you need some kind of RAM only live environment
[23:59] <Santiclause> oh...
[23:59] <Santiclause> ...eh?
[23:59] <Santiclause> then how come windows disk manager can?