2016/02/23/#kubuntu-devel.txt

[00:01] <valorie> oh, ffe question to sgclark, yofel and clivejo
[00:02] <yofel> she did file one
[00:02] <valorie> and please check the text of that page https://community.kde.org/index.php?title=Plasma/InstallingNext and see that it is correct
[00:02] <yofel> I don't think there has been a release-team response yet
[00:02] <valorie> cool
[00:34] <sgclark> only activity on my ffe is it was escalated to critical
[09:14] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:47] <clivejo> anyone experiencing display related problems in xenial? 
[11:56] <mamarley> clivejo: What type of problems?
[11:57] <clivejo> display freezing for no reason
[11:58] <mamarley> Nope, I haven't seen any of that.  What GPU do you have?
[11:59] <clivejo> Nvidia
[11:59] <clivejo> only started recently
[11:59] <clivejo> is there a new QT in the archive
[12:00] <mamarley> I think there have been a few updates not too long ago to backport various patches since we can't have 5.6.
[12:09] <clivejo> something was changed
[12:10] <clivejo> system feels a bit sluggish too
[12:11] <soee> clivejo: im on nvidia profile and all works pretty nice
[12:11] <clivejo> on xenial?
[12:11] <soee> system freezez only if i want to boot with hdmi cable connected
[12:11] <soee> clivejo: yes
[12:12] <soee> basically there are problems with connecting other device liek TV through hdmi
[12:12] <clivejo> have you updated recently?
[12:14] <soee> i am always on latest updates http://wstaw.org/m/2016/02/23/snapshot66.png
[12:15] <clivejo> same versions as mine
[12:15] <soee> clivejo: are you ging to build new frameworks ?
[12:16] <soee> if we are stuck with apps anyway
[12:16] <clivejo> soee: nope, Ive been asked to hold off
[12:16] <soee> why ?
[12:16] <clivejo> try to get apps finished
[12:16] <clivejo> Feature Freeze I believe
[12:17] <soee> yofel: we can't put frameworks to staging ppa so they start building ?
[12:18] <yofel> if someone has nothing else to do right now, sure. Otherwise that's like bottom priority
[12:18] <clivejo> I have the sources built locally
[12:19] <clivejo> and was in the middle of a debian merge
[12:19] <clivejo> then I went to try and get libkolab fixed to try and fix PIM
[12:19] <soee> yofel: o, thank you :)
[12:19] <clivejo> but its beyond my skills I think
[12:20] <soee> clivejo: so if you find few minutes some day, you could upload frameworks :)
[12:20] <yofel> we're at a point where we need to cut down stuff and get things done
[12:20] <yofel> if kolab is too complex, kick it out of pim
[12:20] <yofel> if people ask for it we can provide a ppa version
[12:21] <clivejo> I just dont understand it enough
[12:21] <clivejo> but Im trying to learn
[12:21] <clivejo> yofel: do you know what package provides KDE calendar support ?
[12:21] <yofel> no
[12:22] <yofel> my first guess would be PIM
[12:22] <soee> i think it is like ~ 1 week till Plasma 5.6 beta :)
[12:22] <clivejo> Kolab's OBS is using libcalendering, which apparently  is a "frankenstein" package of kdepimlibs for headless servers
[12:23] <clivejo> soee: Xenial is an LTS, we have to put effort into getting a good stable release
[12:24] <soee> clivejo: i know and that is why i think it should use Plasma 5.6 but sadly we can't i think
[12:26] <yofel> right, not going to happen
[12:28] <soee> yofel: can't we have some ppa that will be enabled by default for users, and put there important updates (like Plasma 5.6) so there is no need adding backports manually ?
[12:28] <yofel> no. No software in the archive may add PPAs (that's why ubuntu-tweak never got accepted)
[12:28] <yofel> and official flavors may not have PPAs enabled by default
[12:29] <soee> a lot of users have no idea that there is something like backports ppa with newer and probably more stable/with more bugfixes  packages
[12:29] <yofel> if they have no idea how to do basic package management, then they should not use backports
[12:29] <yofel> that would require a completely different QA level for our backports
[13:10] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:32] <blaze> Qt 5.6 will be released around 12-15 of March. Is there any chance for 5.6 to be packaged for xenial?
[13:36] <yofel> not for the official release
[13:36] <yofel> some PPA will have it eventually
[14:03] <blaze> too bad, as it is lts Qt release it belongs to lts ubuntu
[15:06] <sgclark> sitter: seems you have a new epoch test. this is lovely except that we have a problem when we have an epoch and debian does not. AFAIK we cannot drop this epoch. Please see kdenlive as  an example. Thank you.
[15:08] <sitter> apparently my mail did not get moderated
[15:08] <sitter> lovely
[15:08] <sitter> sgclark: https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/neon/2016-February/000031.html
[15:08] <sgclark> yofel: sadly kolab is required for kdepim-runtime
[15:09] <sitter> sgclark: in particular that kdenlive build is attempting to upload no epoch while previously it uploaded epoch 4
[15:09] <sitter> that requires human intervention
[15:09] <yofel> blaze: well, then they should've released Qt early enough so it can be used in the LTS. March is far too late
[15:09] <sitter> if the previous epoch was wrong then the ppas need to get cleaned accordingly and the workspace needs to get wiped
[15:10] <sgclark> the latest version has an epoch
[15:10] <sitter> ah yes, it was no epoch to epoch 4
[15:10] <yofel> sgclark: the latest version?
[15:10] <yofel> or is what we have enough?
[15:10] <sitter> so yeah
[15:10] <sitter> sgclark: wipe workspace
[15:10] <yofel> and is it really hard required?
[15:10] <sgclark> ugh not enough coffee for two conversations.
[15:10] <yofel> XD
[15:11] <yofel> I'm busy anyway, ping me when you have time
[15:12] <sgclark> sitter: kdenlive the only epoch diff I see is debian does not have one and we do, all ours have it , none of theirs.
[15:12] <sgclark> yofel: kdepim-runtime will not build without the latest kolab
[15:12] <sgclark> now he should be able to just remove libcalendaring from the deps and build without I would think
[15:13] <sitter> nono
[15:13] <sitter> the first time around I got it right
[15:13] <sitter> sgclark: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/wily_stable_kdenlive/ws/packaging/debian/changelog/*view*/
[15:13] <sitter> this has no epoch
[15:14] <sgclark> sitter: that was my mistake. but archive has epoch I had toadd it back
[15:14] <sgclark> it will never publish >.<
[15:14] <sitter> that's not what it complains about
[15:14] <yofel> the changelog order is rather messed up..
[15:15] <sitter> "4 ->  "
[15:15] <sitter> it had an epoch of 4
[15:15] <sitter> the lastest build attempts to have no epoch
[15:15] <yofel> the changelog without epoch shouldn't exist, and the other one should be at the top
[15:15] <sitter> i.e. that'd be an epoch downgrade
[15:15] <sitter> and that's why the build fails
[15:15] <sitter> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/kdenlive.git/tree/debian/changelog?h=kubuntu_stable
[15:16] <sitter> see line 22 had an epoch. that's the last successful integration supposedly. line 1 doesn't have an epoch anymore.
[15:20] <sgclark> oh. that does not at all match. I have made many commit since then.
[15:22] <sitter> sgclark: in unstable
[15:22] <sitter> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/kdenlive.git/tree/debian/changelog?h=kubuntu_xenial_archive
[15:22] <sitter> xenial_archive and stable are broken still
[15:22] <sgclark> I am aware that I sccrewed up my changelog. I have fixed it though. god only knows where the hell my commits went
[15:22] <sitter> maybe you forgot to push? (:
[15:23] <sgclark> notifying CI ...
[15:23] <sgclark> good grief, I need more coffee
[15:29] <sgclark> ugh I was working in unstable branch. 
[15:30] <sgclark> fixing
[15:41] <sgclark> or not. I no longer can push. permission denied.
[17:13] <sgclark> cannot find source file?! dunno how to fix that..
[17:14] <sgclark> anyway my mess with epoch is sorted, thanks for your help sitter
[17:44] <sgclark> uh
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[20:04] <soee> LO 5.1 in updates
[20:05] <clivejo> LO?
[20:05] <lordievader> Libre Office.
[20:06] <clivejo> ah
[20:11] <BluesKaj> I should dump libre -office , never had occasion to use it for anything
[20:42] <snele> so when are plasma 5.5 and other updates expected to land to main repo?
[20:43] <snele> btw I can confirm that installer bug is fixed (but lp bug report is not updated for weeks)
[21:04] <ahoneybun> any 16.04 dailies working?
[21:05] <snele> ahoneybun: todays daily works
[21:05] <ahoneybun> cool
[21:05] <clivejo> snele: do you know who fixed the installer?
[21:06] <snele> clivejo: I don't know. Bug report isn't updated
[22:16] <clivejo> sgclark: ping
[22:16] <sgclark> clivejo: pong
[22:16] <clivejo> hi :)
[22:16] <sgclark> hpwdy
[22:16] <sgclark> err
[22:17] <sgclark> howdy
[22:17] <clivejo> so I been researching this libkolab package
[22:17] <clivejo> apparently libcalendaring is a hack to get it to install on a headless server
[22:18] <clivejo> and on client side it needs built against kdepim
[22:18] <clivejo> I think Ive got it to build successfully on KCI
[22:19] <clivejo> could you try using it in PIM in apps 15.12.1?
[22:19] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+build/9055237
[22:20] <sgclark> clivejo: can you copy the package to the ppa and rebuild kdepim-runtime? caught me at a bad time I am busy with other commitments.
[22:21] <clivejo> I copied libcalendaring, but found out since about it being a hack
[22:21] <clivejo> will do
[22:21] <sgclark> thanks!
[22:21] <clivejo> just copy the KCI build?
[22:21] <sgclark> yeah that should work
[22:22] <clivejo> ok done
[22:23] <clivejo> Ill delete libcalendaring while Im at it
[22:37] <ahoneybun> wow I'm get like 3-10 hour ETA for the Beta 1 download
[22:38] <valorie> we have a beta one?
[22:38] <valorie> we have no announcement.....
[22:38] <clivejo> didnt we opt out?
[22:39] <ahoneybun> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/357/builds
[22:40] <valorie> of the alphas we did
[22:40] <ahoneybun> I'm not waiting 17 hours lol
[22:40] <valorie> right, I know that we have images in the qatracker
[22:41] <valorie> but since we're not done, ....
[22:41] <ahoneybun> right 
[22:41] <valorie> where are our packagers!
[22:41] <ahoneybun> I've just been out of the loop
[22:41] <valorie> we're working our few to an early death
[22:41] <valorie> we're trying to finish applications, and perhaps slide the latest frameworks in
[22:41] <valorie> if possible
[22:42] <valorie> as I understand it
[22:42] <clivejo> valorie: yofel rules that out earlier
[22:42] <valorie> clivejo it tearing his peace of mind apart trying to fix PIM
[22:42] <valorie> ah, boo
[22:42] <clivejo> ruled
[22:42] <valorie> well
[22:43] <ahoneybun> I'm tempted to install Kubuntu back on my laptop again
[22:43] <yofel> I didn't really opt-out of beta1 this time - it might be worth to at least get ubiquity tested
[22:43] <ahoneybun> I just don't know how the Ubuntu SDK will act
[22:43] <yofel> though I doubt it makes sense to release it
[22:43] <sgclark> wait what I have been working on pim
[22:44] <sgclark> but our ffe has not even been approved
[22:44] <sgclark> so we have absolutely nothing new in beta
[22:44] <valorie> oooo, sorry sgclark
[22:44] <clivejo> valorie: I been trying to understand kolab stuff
[22:44] <sgclark> whatevs
[22:44] <yofel> valorie: beta is candidate images btw. potential release is on friday IIRC
[22:44] <clivejo> PIM is beyond me
[22:44] <valorie> they are both PIMish, right?
[22:45] <clivejo> its a very small part of PIM
[22:45] <valorie> ah, got it
[22:45] <sgclark> pim depends on kolab nothing more
[22:45] <clivejo> but something I use a lot
[22:45] <sgclark> I don't recall kolab being such a pain, sorry clivejo :(
[22:45] <valorie> so perhaps beta2 will be useful for us and something we should work towards?
[22:46] <clivejo> sgclark: did you remove the build dep on libkolab?
[22:46] <valorie> if our FFE is passed
[22:46] <sgclark> clivejo: I did not
[22:47] <clivejo> do you happen to know if the build dep is on libkolab2 or libkolab-dev?
[22:47] <sgclark> dev
[22:47] <clivejo> need to add that back in
[22:47] <sgclark> I did not remove anything..
[22:47] <clivejo> I think debian must have removed it
[22:48] <yofel> how did they remove it if it's required?
[22:48] <sgclark> ah, there is that possibility. you did that merge :) feel free to add it back in..
[22:48] <sgclark> good question yofel
[22:49] <sgclark> yofel: did you have time to look at my note in ninjas pad?
[22:49] <sgclark> err notes
[22:49] <yofel> no sorry.
[22:50] <sgclark> okies
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[23:19] <mparillo> yofel: ahoneybun: As far as Beta goes, yesterday I grabbed a daily and successfully installed to a VM.
[23:20] <mparillo> So, Ubiquity is no longer broken, though the bug I though was the root cause is not closed yet.
[23:20] <mparillo> At least for me ;-)
[23:20] <yofel> well, progress. There seem to be more bugs in ubiquity according to #ubuntu-quality
[23:22] <mparillo> Oh, I do not mean there are zero bugs, just that it is no longer hopelessly broken.
[23:22] <yofel> right, thanks a lot for verifying that!
[23:24] <mparillo> I will grab another daily tomorrow morning.
[23:25] <mparillo> In 18 hours or so.
[23:26] <valorie> \o/
[23:26] <valorie> that will be so useful for our testers
[23:26] <valorie> when we're ready for them