2009/08/05/#kubuntu-devel.txt

[00:03] <a|wen> that looks like some more MIR work coming up ^^^
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[00:08] <a|wen> ewoerner: please add a bug report about it (unless it already exists) ... will need some work to get libgps included in the supported part of ubuntu
[00:09] <ewoerner> a|wen: i currently don't have any launchpad account
[00:09] <ewoerner> that's why the quick drop-by ;-)
[00:10] <ghostcube_> ok i renamed .kde
[00:10] <ghostcube_> and started a new one
[00:10] <ghostcube_> working
[00:10] <ghostcube_> :|
[00:10] <ghostcube_> i hate this
[00:10] <ghostcube_> but 4.3.0 is nice
[00:10] <ghostcube_> :D
[00:10] <ghostcube_> and compiz works too
[00:10] <ewoerner> oh, and the gps support in marble is provided by a plugin
[00:11] <ghostcube_> i love th etree view in systemsettings
[00:11] <ghostcube_> its like kcontrol
[00:11] <ghostcube_> i love it
[00:11] <ghostcube_> :)
[00:15] <a|wen> ewoerner: the plugin is in kdeedu source?
[00:15] <ewoerner> a|wen: yes
[00:15] <ewoerner> marble/src/plugins/positionprovider/gpsd
[00:16] <a|wen> ewoerner: bug 409104 <-- Riddell
[00:16] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 409104 in kdeedu "kdeedu should builddepend on libgps-dev for marble gps support" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/409104
[00:17] <ewoerner> just out of curiosity: what does MIR mean?
[00:18] <a|wen> ewoerner: Main Inclusion Report ... we need to get them in main (part of officially supported ubuntu) to build and use them
[00:18] <ewoerner> ah
[00:20] <ewoerner> ok, thank you
[00:20] <ewoerner> night everybody
[00:20] <milian> 9.04 update to KDE 4.3 wants qt 4.5.1 but only 4.5.0 is found - is that known?
[00:23] <a|wen> milian: you temporarily needs to add "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/staging/ubuntu jaunty main"
[00:24] <a|wen> milian: the new qt didn't want to copy (damn PPAs); will work as soon as qt finishes building in the backports ppa
[00:33]  * shtylman is still fighting with qt model/view and KCategorizedView
[00:33]  * shtylman and is loosing...
[00:33] <milian> a|wen: so it will be fixed eventually? I can wait a few days ;-)
[00:34]  * a|wen cheers on shtylman
[00:34] <a|wen> milian: sure ... it is already building, so it is a matter of a few hours
[00:35] <milian> ok, great - thanks!
[00:35] <milian> btw, which qt version is cooking there right now?
[00:35] <milian> 4.5.1?
[00:35] <milian> would be a shame...
[00:35] <milian> -shame +waste of time
[00:35] <Riddell> 4.5.2
[00:35] <milian> yes, very good :)
[00:35] <milian> ok, then I'm off to bed, waiting for tomorrow
[00:35] <milian> thanks all
[00:36] <gon> who mantain kubuntu-backpors ppa?
[00:36] <a|wen> milian: nn, good luck with kde 4.3 tomorrow
[00:37] <gon> 4.3 in jaunty require qt 4.5.1
[00:37] <gon> but is not available in jaunty
[00:37] <a|wen> gon: you temporarily needs to add "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/staging/ubuntu jaunty main" - the new qt didn't want to copy (damn PPAs); will work as soon as qt finishes building in the backports ppa
[00:37]  * a|wen feels like repeating himself
[00:38] <gon> !
[00:39] <gon> thanks =)
[00:39] <a|wen> the new qt should luckily finish build in less than 4 hours
[00:41] <gon> =)
[00:43] <ghostcube> hmmm the system wont start compiz automaticly seems to be an little bug
[00:43] <ghostcube> :)
[00:43] <ghostcube> but the rest works fine
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[01:04]  * shtylman wants the new qt and hopes it resolves his problems...but probly wont.... (tear)
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[01:31] <shtylman> Riddell:
[01:31] <shtylman> http://imagebin.ca/view/56JlIijO.html
[01:31] <shtylman> that is my usability mockup for the printer screen
[01:31] <Riddell> cor
[01:31] <shtylman> when the user clicks the printer settings icon..that would open up...and they navigate everywhere from here...
[01:31] <shtylman> thoughts?
[01:31] <Riddell> shtylman: open up how?  within the same window?
[01:31] <shtylman> yea
[01:32] <shtylman> a kcmmodule or whatever they are called
[01:32] <shtylman> settings might open up a new window...but I would prefer to keep it in the same window
[01:32] <shtylman> maybe have a breadcrumb up top...or not...
[01:32] <shtylman> dunno yet..
[01:32] <Riddell> system settings is ment to be all within one window really
[01:32] <Riddell> looks lovely to me, as ever check with celeste
[01:32] <shtylman> k
[01:32] <shtylman> mainly...I want this to be the first screen they see
[01:33] <shtylman> and if there are no printers maybe a hint to *add* some
[01:33] <shtylman> this will also work well for people with lots of network printers (that might have been autodetected)
[01:33] <shtylman> seele: http://imagebin.ca/view/56JlIijO.html
[01:33] <shtylman> I am aiming to have that be the entry point for all printer configuration related activities...
[01:34] <Riddell> dtchen: pulseaudio-module-rygel-media-server--dbg  ?
[01:34] <Riddell> is that double dash intended?
[01:34] <shtylman> Riddell: there was one more action I wanted to add...but for the life of me can't remember it right now...
[01:37] <seele> shtylman: so i guess youre not using the previous design proposal?
[01:37] <seele> shtylman: is that the SS menu or is that after you click on the SS printer object?
[01:38] <shtylman> that is after you click the SS printer object
[01:38] <shtylman> seele: so...the reason I wanted to design it like this is two fold...
[01:39] <shtylman> I think that the one column icon list can become too cluttered for people with multiple printers...
[01:39] <shtylman> I can do a mockup with one column if you like?
[01:39] <shtylman> it is easy to do
[01:39] <seele> well the thing is, the design was created so it would fit in with all the other KCMs
[01:40] <shtylman> my main fear is when the number of printers gets large (think networked printers) then a single column no longer works well...at least not without a search box
[01:40] <shtylman> k
[01:40] <shtylman> lemme try a single column list really quick...
[01:40] <seele> i think the primary use case we designed for was home user, not large networked office user
[01:40] <seele> (that info should be on the printing wiki page i think)
[01:40] <shtylman> k
[01:40]  * Riddell snoozes
[01:41] <shtylman> oh..and another problem was that you can't have menus
[01:41] <shtylman> this means that I can't have a settings menu and instead need to bring the *settings* type options into a list or buttons
[01:41] <maco> how big is a large networked office? i work in a set of 2 townhouses in a company with only about a dozen people, and we have...maybe 8 printers?
[01:42] <maco> wow wait..we have like one printer per person that actually works in the office instead of telecommuting
[01:42] <shtylman> this includes an icon for add printer, settings, and (there was one more thing...I swear) but can't think of it...
[01:43] <seele> shtylman: have you *seen* the old print design proposal?
[01:43] <seele> like, the wireframes, not what has been done thusfar
[01:43]  * seele doesnt remember menu items
[01:46] <shtylman> yea
[01:46] <shtylman> you mean the pdf right?
[01:46] <shtylman> seele: http://imagebin.ca/view/e8BhEb.html
[01:46] <shtylman> better?
[01:46]  * shtylman is looking at a pdf that has wireframe mockups
[01:50] <shtylman> I could even do a two column layout...
[01:50] <shtylman> :)
[01:50] <shtylman> so what do you think works best?
[02:55] <vorian> sheesh maco, you olf talk selection people are harsh
[02:55] <vorian> 2 YEARS IN A ROW - SHOT DOWN :(
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[07:06] <Blizzz> hi. i get qt updates from backports, i guess the issue is solved with them and so staging is not need any longer on jaunty, am i right?
[07:40] <a|wen_> Blizzz: true
[07:42] <Blizzz> a|wen_: excellent. the staging-hint should be removed from the announcement then
[07:42] <a|wen_> ryanakca / Riddell: ^^
[07:44] <a|wen_> Blizzz: indeed ... let's see when someone with website powers coma about
[07:44] <Blizzz> jep
[08:54] <Nightrose> folks upgrade from rc3 to 4.3 gives me:
[08:54] <Nightrose> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[08:54] <Nightrose>   libkholidays4
[08:54] <Nightrose> is that ok?
[08:57] <Blizzz> Nightrose: i suppose, korganizer still offers and shows them
[08:58] <Nightrose> heh
[08:58] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: ^
[08:58] <Nightrose> do you know?
[09:04] <Riddell> Nightrose: libkholidays4 is gone, fine to remove
[09:04] <Nightrose> thx Riddell
[09:19] <Stecchino> just upgrade to 4.3 using kubuntu-ppa packages. Get this output before crash: http://pastebin.org/6624
[09:19] <Stecchino> moved plasmarc and plasma-appletsrc out of the way. Still the same problem
[09:19] <Stecchino> known problem?
[09:26] <Riddell> Stecchino: hmm crap, I suspect that's my fault
[09:26] <Riddell> there's a patch in there which I didn't write very well and I havn't got round to fixing it
[09:26] <Stecchino> Riddell: aseigo in #plasma said something about the packages being borked
[09:26] <Riddell> I should just remove it from the jaunty package
[09:27] <Stecchino> Riddell: how long before i can test?
[09:28] <Riddell> Stecchino: an hour probably
[09:28]  * Stecchino runs it in gdb to make sure
[09:29] <Stecchino> crap, no stack
[09:30] <Riddell> kdebase-workspace-dbg may help
[09:38] <Stecchino> oh, I installed kdebase-dbg
[09:39] <Stecchino> Riddell: nope, already had the -dbg really can not get a stack trace
[09:40] <Stecchino> gdb plasma-desktop args=--nofork
[09:41] <Stecchino> Riddell: stacktrace: http://pastebin.org/6626
[10:19] <davmor2> Riddell: did you fix it?
[10:20] <davmor2> Riddell: nevermind answer is on cdimages :)
[10:23] <Riddell> davmor2: hum, no http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/karmic/kubuntu/20090805/livecd-20090805-i386.out
[10:23] <Riddell> I wonder why not
[10:23] <davmor2> cups
[10:23] <davmor2> 64bit is another issue though
[10:23] <Riddell> yeah but system-config-printer-kde should be sorted
[10:23] <Riddell> let me look
[10:26] <davmor2> ah Riddell has cups been hal depreciated? if so then it might just be a cast of changing the seed so it doesn't pull in the hal-cups-utils.  I am thinking out aloud here so feel free to mock :)
[10:26] <Riddell> erk kubuntu-desktop depends directly on hal-cups-utils
[10:26] <Riddell> you are entirely correct
[10:28] <davmor2> Riddell: Yay is slowly learning to diagnose stuff from error messages :)
[10:33] <Stecchino> Riddell: package build?
[10:34] <Riddell> Stecchino: yes should be, try an update, you're looking for kdebase-workspace - 4:4.3.0-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa4
[10:37] <Riddell> davmor2: new kubuntu-meta uploaded, we'll need to wait for it hit the archives then I'll rebuild the CDs
[10:38] <davmor2> Riddell: Yay :)
[10:42] <Stecchino> Riddell: it's fixed
[10:42] <Stecchino> thx
[10:43] <Riddell> Stecchino: ok sorry about that, I really need to find an hour to fix that patch
[10:44] <Stecchino> Riddell: asiego offered to help BTW
[10:45] <Riddell> Stecchino: I have notes from him from when he looked at the patch, it's just silly coding errors of mine but I've utterly failed to find the time to look at it
[10:45] <Riddell> maybe today I will, keep poking me
[10:51] <Quintasan> bug #408962
[10:52] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 408962 in plasma-runner-kopete "plasma-runner-kopete needs updating to version 0.3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/408962
[10:52] <Quintasan> Riddell: ^
[11:00] <Riddell> Quintasan: let me look
[11:03] <Riddell> Quintasan: 0.3 is already in the archive
[11:05] <Quintasan> -_-
[11:05] <Quintasan> really?
[11:05] <Riddell> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-runner-kopete says so
[11:05] <Riddell> some chap called Michał Zając packaged it
[11:06] <Quintasan> That would be me, but I don't remember doing it for 0.3 O_O
[11:06] <Riddell> ha ha :)
[11:08] <Quintasan> Riddell: Well, if you have some time please take a look at - http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kpassgen
[11:09] <Riddell> NCommander: did you need that CD I burnt?
[11:10] <NCommander> Riddell, no, because my HDD committed suicide
[11:10] <Riddell> poor thing
[11:26] <Riddell> Quintasan: commented
[11:26] <Riddell> revu login doesn't seem to work in arora :(
[11:27] <Quintasan> I think I found alternative to Acetone ISO since it uses too copyright images and upstream was too busy/lazy to give me a reply
[11:42] <ghostcube> hi
[12:03] <ghostcube> hmmm i think i found a bug :D
[12:03] <ghostcube> -_-
[12:03] <ghostcube> maybe
[12:22] <Nightrose> update notifier icon is missing in kde 4.3 rc3 and final (at least)
[12:22] <Nightrose> known problem?
[12:23] <Nightrose> missing icon ? in the systray looks rather ugly
[12:27] <Riddell> NCommander: the restart icon changed name
[12:27] <Riddell> Nightrose: rather
[12:27] <Riddell> so that won't get shown
[12:31] <Nightrose> ok
[12:31]  * Nightrose just saw the new KDM theme for the first time
[12:31] <Nightrose> sooooo beautiful
[12:34] <Riddell> exclusive to Kubuntu too :)
[12:34] <Riddell> (and any other distro that applied the patch)
[12:35] <Nightrose> hehe
[12:37] <ghostcube> fellows anyone wants to test something with kde 4.3.0 and copiz as dafault wm
[12:37] <Nightrose> hmm after logging in, when the loading is shown I get a blackish wallpaper - not sure if I set that at some point or if that is a kubuntu thing
[12:37] <ghostcube> there is a little weird bug
[12:37] <Nightrose> can I change that somewhere?
[12:37] <Nightrose> it doesn't fit with air at all
[12:37]  * Nightrose can't find where to change that
[12:38] <ghostcube> i changed kdm style lol to the old one and i get the blue walli between loadings
[12:38] <ghostcube> rofl
[12:38] <ghostcube> kde 4.3.0 isnt starting compiz as default wm seems to forget to load the option
[12:38] <ghostcube> oO
[12:40] <Nightrose> ahhhh
[12:40] <Nightrose> splash screen in system settings
[12:40] <Nightrose> but i can't seem to change the wallpaper
[12:41]  * Nightrose installs new theme
[12:43] <Nightrose> hmmm doesn't work
[12:44] <Riddell> Nightrose: no black wallpaper from us, it's the default KDE blueish one
[12:44] <Riddell> Nightrose: set it with right click on desktop -> Desktop Settings
[12:44] <Nightrose> Riddell: you get a blue wallpaper when the splash screen shows?
[12:45] <Nightrose> no i don't mean the real desktop wallpaper
[12:45] <Riddell> Nightrose: the startup ksplash?  yes
[12:45] <Nightrose> jep
[12:45] <Nightrose> hmmm
[12:46]  * Nightrose is puzzled
[12:48] <Nightrose> aha!
[12:48] <Nightrose> all the other air splash screens on kde-apps probably try to replace the one i already have
[12:48] <Nightrose> downloading another one works
[12:50] <davmor2> Riddell: we got a new iso yet?
[12:52] <Riddell> davmor2: yes but I the logs havn't synced yet so I don't know if it actually built a new live fs
[13:05] <Riddell> davmor2: hmm, looks like it failed on a random mirror issue http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/karmic/kubuntu/20090805.1/livecd-20090805.1-amd64.out
[13:06] <Riddell> no, same old udev/hal conflict issue http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/karmic/kubuntu/20090805.1/livecd-20090805.1-i386.out
[13:18] <desaparecido> hi, somebody has a blackscreen with last upgrade to kde 4.3 final release in Karmic?
[13:18] <micmord> desaparecido: I got it... but i realized having start a blockbox session
[13:20] <micmord> s/blockbox/Openbox
[13:21] <desaparecido> micmord, with fluxbox (in my case) all it's ok, but in kde session is a black screen but i can access to programs by alt+F2 :)
[13:22] <desaparecido> i don't have internet access, even with knetworkmanager, i can't understand
[13:24] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: lol, I uploaded it for you last night
[13:27] <ghostcube> JontheEchidna: in the mood to confirm an compiz startup bug :)
[13:27] <ghostcube> on 4.30
[13:28]  * JontheEchidna doesn't use compiz
[13:29] <ghostcube> you dont need to use it normal only installed must it be
[13:29] <ghostcube> :D
[13:29] <ghostcube> ehm boah german grammar in english is bad ass
[13:30] <JontheEchidna> German must Yoda be :P
[13:32] <ghostcube> yeah
[13:32] <ghostcube> in german sounds like nur installiert muss es sein
[13:32] <ghostcube> :D
[13:33] <ghostcube> sounds ok
[13:39] <rgreening> ghostcube: I am your father...
[13:40] <ghostcube> nah
[13:40] <ghostcube> oO
[13:40] <ghostcube> iam to old for this
[13:40]  * rgreening bradishes saber
[13:40] <ghostcube> :D
[13:40] <ghostcube> anyone can test this weird compiz startup bug
[13:40] <ghostcube> :)
[13:41]  * rgreening is knee deep in troubleshooting his system
[13:41] <ghostcube> hmm i had this last  nght after update to 4.3
[13:42] <ghostcube> and ended in mv .kde to .kde-old
[13:42] <ghostcube> :D
[13:54] <rgreening> shtylman: ping
[14:06] <mgraesslin> JontheEchidna: fyi: I uploaded a new Aurorae release with GHNS support
[14:06] <Riddell> what's Aurorae mgraesslin?
[14:07] <mgraesslin> SVG based theme engine for KWin
[14:07] <Riddell> oh aye
[14:07] <mgraesslin> there's a package in karmic kwin-style-aurorae
[14:07] <JontheEchidna> mgraesslin: cool, I'll check it out
[14:08] <JontheEchidna> mgraesslin: the page still looks 0.1.1ish: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Aurorae+Theme+Engine?content=107158
[14:12] <JontheEchidna> at least the tarball really is 0.2
[14:12] <mgraesslin> somethings strange with kde-look
[14:13] <Riddell> davmor2: I found another dependency on hal-cups-utils, so it'll be another couple of hours before that fix gets into the archive
[14:13] <mgraesslin> if I click window decorations -> native there it says 0.2
[14:13] <mgraesslin> seems to be some caching problems
[14:16] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: :D
[14:16] <Quintasan> hmm
[14:16] <Quintasan> How do I check what graphic driver I'm using?
[14:16] <ghostcube> glxinfo grep Vendor
[14:16] <JontheEchidna> /var/log/Xorg.0.log is helpful
[14:18] <Quintasan> radeon
[14:18] <Quintasan> hmm
[14:18] <ghostcube> Quintasan: move .kde worked
[14:18] <ghostcube> all fine again now
[14:18] <ghostcube> seems the updates didnt like my settings
[14:18] <ghostcube> :D
[14:18] <Quintasan> see, I told you :P
[14:19] <ghostcube> but the compiz problem is weird
[14:20] <Quintasan> urgh, jockey-kde is boked
[14:20] <Quintasan> borked*
[14:25] <Quintasan> k, let's try fglrx
[14:26]  * Quintasan has sad experience with fglrx
[14:29] <davmor2> Riddell: meh okay :)
[14:37] <desaparecido> hi, i have a problem with kde 4.3 session, a blackscreen.. (after last upgrade, in karmic), somes ideas???
[14:37] <ryanakca> Riddell: w.k.o/Kubuntu/Todo/Karmic says "Get rid of archive and downloads on the left", mind if I set in to only show the archive on say, www.k.o/news ?
[14:39] <Riddell> ryanakca: don't want want a news block somewhere?
[14:39] <Riddell> so the main page is an intro to kubuntu and the news becomes just headlines in a block somewhere?
[14:40] <Riddell> (which could include a link to www.k.o/news with the archives)
[14:40] <ryanakca> Riddell: Yes
[14:41] <ryanakca> Riddell: did you want to wait until I get it done before I move the "archive" block over?
[14:41] <ryanakca> by "archive" I mean the per month links to the stories / news
[14:41] <Riddell> ryanakca: yeah I think so
[14:44] <ghostcube> is kde 4.3.0 checking if glx is possible to enable or is it default setting
[14:44] <ghostcube> tthat effects are on
[14:45] <quintasan1> as expetec of fglrx
[14:46]  * quintasan1 rages
[14:49] <quintasan1> yeah
[14:50] <quintasan1> grrr
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[15:03] <micmord> I got problem on upgrade to KDE4.3, after three upgrade kde-icons-oxygen works. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/248018/
[15:36] <micmord> bug 409357
[15:36] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 409357 in oxygen-icons "package kde-icons-oxygen not installed failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/oxygen/22x22/actions/pointer.png , which is also in package step" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/409357
[15:55] <Riddell> micmord: fix uploaded, thanks
[15:55] <Riddell> was a typo at fault
[15:55] <ghostcube> sudo apt-get -f is youre friend
[15:55] <ghostcube> :)
[15:56] <ghostcube> but the update had noticed many dpkg errors
[15:56] <ghostcube> i needed apt-get -f install 3 times
[15:56] <ghostcube> till my kde 4.3 was on machine
[15:56] <ghostcube> many overrides
[15:56] <ghostcube> writes
[15:58] <Riddell> rgreening: I tried usb-creator-kde but something broke, it told me to look in the log file but didn't say which log file
[15:58] <Riddell> it seemed like hal crashed
[15:59] <Riddell> rgreening: -gtk broke just the same so it's nothing specific to you
[15:59] <allee>  I'd added a fix for bug 390396   Next step is?  To ping here? :)
[15:59] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 390396 in kdebase ""About Me" in System Settings throws an error when changing details" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/390396
[15:59] <Riddell> maybe I should poke evan
[15:59] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Bille wants us to backport the knetworkmanager applet to our KDE 4.3 repo, I have it building in staging
[15:59] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yeah saw that, seems like a good idea
[16:00] <JontheEchidna> once the i386 builder gets off it's ass I'll copy it over to backports
[16:00] <Riddell> allee: lovely
[16:03] <Riddell> allee: very good, I'll add that to the packaging
[16:04] <allee> thx
[16:04] <Riddell> allee: inface you can just add it to the packaging if you want to
[16:04] <Riddell> infact
[16:06] <allee> Riddell: mhmm never done this.  But that's a good reason to do it.  bzr here am I ...
[16:06] <Riddell> allee: bzr co lp:~kubuntu-members/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu
[16:06] <Riddell> put it in debian/patches with a sensible name, add to debian/patches/series, dch -i and bzr commit
[16:07] <allee> Riddell: ah, direct upload, no merge request necessary.  great
[16:08] <Riddell> a privilage of membership :)
[16:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just uploaded a fixed kds since the previous upload did ftbfs...
[16:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: I've been quite away since I'm building my own company to start my new job, I'll be in canada for 6 weeks starting next week, so presumably with plenty of available time...
[16:14] <Tonio_> can't wait
[16:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: goodness, what's happening in Canada?
[16:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I'll be employed by a canonical partner, based there, so 6 weeks is for the integration to the company
[16:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: next to that I'll work in france, from home
[16:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: so despite the fact I'm quite away from kubuntu atm, this is pretty cool for the future, as this will help me contribute more
[16:16] <Tonio_> also since technically this company is my client, and I'll work on my own now :)
[16:16] <Tonio_> hopefully I'll finally be able to help in making karmic our best release ever...
[16:17] <Tonio_> I'm a bit ashamed of the relativelly poor level of contribution right now, but real life is sometimes the real priority ;)
[16:17] <Tonio_> s/the leve of contribution/my level of contribution/ :)
[16:19] <Nightrose> is the facebook plugin for kopete available for jaunty somwhere?
[16:19] <Nightrose> kde 4.3
[16:24] <Tonio_> Nightrose: forget about it, it is buggy as hell :)
[16:24] <Tonio_> Nightrose: it won't refresh the contact list, just as for example
[16:25] <Nightrose> hmmm
[16:25]  * JontheEchidna packages newest konvi alpha
[16:27] <Nightrose> Tonio_: are there packages anyway?
[16:27]  * Nightrose would like to give it a try for fun and giggles
[16:28] <Tonio_> Nightrose: I don't think so, also, the backport shoudl be easy as long as kde 4.3 is packaged for jaunty
[16:28] <Nightrose> it is
[16:28] <Tonio_> Nightrose: I think it won't build with 4.2 afair
[16:28] <Tonio_> Nightrose: then you can just apt-get source && pbuilder, should work
[16:28] <Nightrose> meh - i thought i can avoid that - exam in twodays ;-)
[16:29] <Tonio_> as long as you have the backport reposiroty in your pbuilderrc
[16:29] <Tonio_> Nightrose: then go for the exams :)
[16:49] <allee> Riddell: commited (plus a typo fix in kubuntu_17_abort_string.diff)
[16:50]  * allee runs to the biergarten
[16:51] <davmor2> hey Riddell any joy yet?
[16:54] <Riddell> davmor2: new package just hit the archive, let's try a rebuilt
[16:59] <maco> allee: i did i spell cancel as "cancle" or some such?
[16:59] <ryanakca> Tonio_: Where will you be in Canada?
[17:00] <JontheEchidna> Any core-dev around that can sponsor bug 409406?
[17:00] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 409406 in konversation "New upstream release (Konversation 1.2 alpha5)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/409406
[17:01] <Tonio_> ryanakca: nearby montreal
[17:01] <Tonio_> ryanakca: Sherbrooke
[17:02] <Tonio_> ryanakca: have to go, but we can discuss this later :
[17:02] <Tonio_> ;)
[17:02] <davmor2> Yay
[17:02] <ryanakca> Tonio_: Eh, only four and a bit hours away, have fun :)
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[17:29] <JontheEchidna> speaking of kopete-facebook... http://duncan.mac-vicar.com/blog/archives/557
[17:30] <JontheEchidna> anybody take that one yet?
[17:30] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I had asked ryanakca to look at it I believe (not sure if it got done)
[17:31] <JontheEchidna> I see QtCurve has made yet another release (seriously, damn) so I'll work on that then
[17:32]  * JontheEchidna found this interesting: http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2009/08/04/koffice-needs-you-and-we-need-koffice/
[17:34] <Riddell> davmor2: humph, still doesn't work
[17:54] <dpm> Riddell: quick question: where are the upstream tarballs for the kde-l10n-xx snapshots fetched from?
[17:54] <Riddell> dpm: ftp.kde.org
[17:54] <Riddell> pub/kde/stable/4.3.0/src/kde-l10n I think
[17:56] <Riddell> well that's the releases, the snapshots are in pub/kde/unstable/..
[17:56] <Riddell> and appear sporadically
[18:14] <dpm> right, thanks
[18:17] <ryanakca> rgreening: You had asked me to do the plasmoid, I'm not sure who was doing the kopete plugin, Tonio_ was saying that "it is bugg as hell :)" a couple of hours ago
[18:18] <rgreening> ah. right.... JontheEchidna, try it if you like. :)
[18:18] <rgreening> thanks ryanakca
[18:18] <ryanakca> rgreening: As for the plasmoid, it's a bit of a PITA... plasma can't find the python module when I do a global install ( placing the files under /usr, using the same layout as ~/.kde ), I can't use plasmapkg  since it requires X,
[18:18] <ryanakca> etc, etc. Feel like taking a look at it?
[18:20] <rgreening> ryanakca: sure, got it posted/available somewhere?
[18:24] <Riddell> ** jaunty testers needed for new network manager and python-kde4
[18:25] <_Sime> whatyousay riddell?
[18:25] <ryanakca> rgreening: http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/plasma-widget-facebook_1.0-1.dsc
[18:26] <Riddell> _Sime: trying jaunty packages of kdebindings, I came across an issue with PyQt4/uic/pykdeuic4.py though, did you ever decide where that should be installed?
[18:27] <_Sime> Riddell: someone has been looking into that problem and has changed the install location a few times. I hope they actually tested it too. ;-)
[18:27] <JontheEchidna> the kopete facebook plugin needeth a new qjson
[18:27] <ryanakca> rgreening: I'm trying a setup.py script, I can import the plugin from python.
[18:27] <ryanakca> s/plugin/plasmoid/
[18:29] <Riddell> _Sime: well PyQt4 seems a strange place to put a PyKDE module
[18:30] <Riddell> and it happened to cause funny packaging issues in jaunty because PyQt4 itself is installed elsewhere so it ends up with two PyQt4s and python imports the wrong one
[18:30] <_Sime> Riddell: it acts as an extension plugin.
[18:33] <ryanakca> rgreening: I think that all that might need to be done is to patch the metadata.desktop file so that it uses plasma_widget_facebook.main ...
[18:56] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: did you have anyone test that new network manager?
[18:59] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: it's the same as what's in karmic currently
[19:00] <Riddell> that means nothing
[19:00] <Riddell> network manager is stupidly fragile, it needs testing in triplicate at every stage
[19:06] <maco> i would test it if i had a panel, however since plasma-desktop refuses to load... *shrug*
[19:06] <Riddell> maco: what's your problem?
[19:06] <maco> plasma-desktop go boom?
[19:07] <maco> http://pastebin.ca/1519463
[19:08] <maco> Riddell: ^
[19:10] <Riddell> maco: that doesn't tell much, do you get a backtrace?
[19:10] <Riddell> gdb plasma-desktop args=--nofork
[19:18] <maco> uhhh that doesnt work
[19:19] <maco> args=--no-fork not found...
[19:19]  * maco looks through wiki
[19:20] <Riddell> maco: gdb plasma-desktop
[19:20] <Riddell> set args --nofork
[19:20] <Riddell> run
[19:20] <Riddell> <boom>
[19:20] <maco> ah "run --no-fork"
[19:20] <Riddell> bt
[19:22] <bmunger> is it known that akregator is non functional?
[19:23] <bmunger> does not crash, but does not fetch feeds
[19:23] <maco> http://pastebin.ca/1519483
[19:23] <maco> bmunger: fetches for e
[19:23] <maco> *me
[19:23] <maco> in karmic at least
[19:24] <bmunger> yes karmic, i have it on a virtual machine and a laptop..both never work
[19:24] <bmunger> shows the red x on every feed, even the default ones
[19:24] <maco> kde planet and my blog's comment feed both work for me
[19:25] <bmunger> interesting
[19:25] <Riddell> maco: looks like a crash with network manager, what version do you have installed?  apt-cache policy plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[19:27] <maco> Installed: none
[19:28] <Riddell> maco: this is karmic?
[19:28] <bmunger> i killed the akregator config directory and it still does not fetch the default feeds
[19:28] <maco> aye
[19:29] <Riddell> maco: I'm confused.  try installing  plasma-widget-networkmanagement ?
[19:52] <JontheEchidna> Debian has 4.3.0 packages up, if anybody is in a merging mood
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[20:03] <maco> Riddell: that worked!
[20:10] <davmor2> Riddell: Bummer still the hal-cups-utils?
[20:10] <apachelogger> ScottK: is https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Netbook/AppsRemoval a good url to track removed apps and the reason for removal?
[20:26] <maco> Riddell: nm looks like a cell phone
[20:26] <maco> and says its unstable and will crash me
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> maco: run knetworkmanager, like it says :P
[20:26] <maco> yet installing it resolves my crashes...weird
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> the applet is useless at the moment
[20:26] <maco> JontheEchidna: ah but if i dont have the plasmoid, plasma-desktop doesnt run
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> weird
[20:26] <maco> and i use /etc/network/interfaces anyway. the applet's been useless for like 6 months
[20:27]  * OdyX points to wicd
[20:30] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do we has kde-l10n in the ppa yet?
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: not that I saww
[20:31] <apachelogger> actually
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> -w
[20:31] <apachelogger> we should either upload as lang-packs or create lang-packs that depend on kde-l10n
[20:31] <apachelogger> otherwise their aint is no smooth transition
[20:32] <apachelogger> of course... if the language selectore supported list enhancements via defintion files or something
[20:48] <Quintasan> I give up
[20:48] <Quintasan> fglrx is stupid, retarded and I lack adjectives to describe it
[20:59] <valgaav> Quintasan: soon you will not have to use it ... open source drivers for the newest ATI cards are really almost here ...
[20:59] <Quintasan> valgaav: I have Radeon HD3450 :/
[20:59] <Quintasan> GRRRRRR
[21:00] <Quintasan> nice
[21:00] <Quintasan> HDMI output in my video card was set as default card in alsa
[21:00] <valgaav> well : http://www.botchco.com/agd5f/?p=47
[21:01] <valgaav> HD3450 is r6xx ... and running compiz means that those drivers are really almost ready
[21:01] <Quintasan> the driver is radeonhd?
[21:02] <valgaav> AFAIK radeon not radeonhd
[21:02] <nielsslot> i ran KWin with 3d on that yesterday.. the cube works.. be it very very slow
[21:05] <maco> Quintasan: that's offensive to mentally disabled people. comparing them to ati drivers,oh my!
[21:05] <Quintasan> ohshi-
[21:07] <valgaav> well the driver is still slow because they use back buffer instead of front buffer or something like that ... once fixed there will be huge performance gain
[21:07] <nielsslot> valgaav: i know.. i'm following the development as closly as possible
[21:14] <Quintasan> http://pastebin.com/f294c151 <-- this means fglrx is not working?
[21:21] <Monika|K> Quintasan: right
[21:22] <Monika|K> if it were working, it would look somewhat like this http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Grafikkarten/ATI/fglrx#berpruefung
[21:23] <dtchen> Riddell: fixed in 1:0.9.16~test4-0ubuntu1, thanks
[21:32] <_Sime> 's cat is snoring...
[21:32]  * _Sime 's cat is snoring...
[21:33] <Monika|K> my cats are, unfortunately, puking
[21:33] <Monika|K> ate grass
[21:34] <_Sime> mine puked last night, and this morning
[21:34] <_Sime> seems to be cleared up now.
[21:36] <Quintasan_> I think I made it
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[21:37] <Quintasan> YAY
[22:01] <ghostcube> any news for the translation packages for 4.3.0
[22:01] <ghostcube> :)
[22:22] <Varox> hi all!
[22:22] <Varox> i just tried to update to kde 4.3
[22:22] <Monika|K> hi
[22:22] <Varox> but it's not working
[22:22] <Varox> and i get the following error
[22:22] <dtchen> Varox: it's a missing Conflicts/Replaces
[22:22] <Varox> do you know how to fix it?
[22:22] <Varox> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1232503
[22:22] <Varox> dtchen: lol
[22:23] <dtchen> Varox: you can either wait for it to be fixed in the PPA, or you can use dpkg --force-overwrite
[22:23] <Varox> dtchen: thanks, i think i will wait for the fix in PPA
[22:23] <Varox> how long does it usually take?
[22:23] <dtchen> no idea
[22:24] <Varox> ok
[22:24] <Varox> it probably was a stupid question :)
[22:25] <Varox> so it's time to go to bed now, late over here
[22:25] <Varox> have a good night!
[22:25] <Varox> and thanks for your help
[22:25] <dtchen> np
[22:26] <ghostcube> Varox: a apt-get -f install
[22:26] <ghostcube> schould work too
[22:26] <ghostcube> then retry an sudo apt-get upgrade
[22:29] <Quintasan> hmm I don't like it, KWin effects suck with fglrx but compiz works just fine
[22:30] <ghostcube> Quintasan: yeah compiz has better workflow
[22:30] <ghostcube> do you use it ?
[22:30] <Quintasan> just started
[22:30] <Quintasan> But no window decorations
[22:30] <ghostcube> standard repo version
[22:30] <Quintasan> hmm emerald doesn't work
[22:30] <ghostcube> grafic card is what
[22:30] <ghostcube> ?
[22:30] <Quintasan> Radeon HD 3450
[22:31] <ghostcube> check that the window deco plugin is set
[22:31] <Quintasan> emerald --replace worked :P
[22:31] <ghostcube> Quintasan: check the plugin
[22:31] <ghostcube> in ccsm
[22:31] <ghostcube> can we try something please
[22:31] <ghostcube> go to systemsettings >> desfault komponents
[22:31] <ghostcube> window manager and set it to compiz
[22:32] <ghostcube> and relogin to youre user
[22:32] <ghostcube> if it wont get startet the bug is confirmed and i can file one
[22:32] <ghostcube> you must go there after login if compiz is refusing to start and check kwin again
[22:32] <Quintasan> file it
[22:32] <ghostcube> so not starting ?
[22:32] <Quintasan> compiz starts because ring switcher works
[22:33] <ghostcube> yeah agfter login too ?
[22:33] <Quintasan> but no decoration == emerald not starting
[22:33] <ghostcube> if you set to auto
[22:33] <Quintasan> yup
[22:33] <ghostcube> hmmm
[22:34] <ghostcube> have you checked the decoration plugin
[22:34] <ghostcube> in ccsm
[22:34] <ghostcube> btw why is ksnapshot not more atartet by the print button
[22:34] <ghostcube> oO
[22:34] <ghostcube> damn
[22:37] <Quintasan> I think I will stick with KWin
[22:37] <ghostcube> hmm fort me compiz works fine except the startup bug
[22:37] <ghostcube> oO
[22:38] <ghostcube> iusnt print button supposed to start knsapshot normally
[22:38] <ghostcube> oO
[22:38] <Quintasan> well don't mind me, I just don't like compiz
[22:40] <ghostcube> Quintasan: can u may check i print opens ksnapshot for you
[22:41] <Quintasan> nope
[22:41] <Quintasan> set it manually in systemsettings
[22:41] <Quintasan> I'm thankful enough for working fglrx
[22:43] <bdgraue> Quintasan: where do i set print for screenshot?
[22:43] <ghostcube> good question
[22:43] <ghostcube> in global shortcuts it doesnt recognize it
[22:44] <bdgraue> Launches KSnapShot when PrintScrn is pressed.
[22:44] <bdgraue> hmm, dunno the english for that
[22:46] <ghostcube> thx
[22:47] <ghostcube> ha5rd to find
[22:48] <bdgraue> found it :D
[23:00] <Monika|K> I ordered 100 Kubuntu CDs for Froscon. Approved were 10. The package says 10 on the outside. It contains 1. <sigh>
[23:03] <ghostcube> cool the super to win key mapping is nice
[23:03] <ghostcube> :)
[23:03] <Monika|K> what is the super key?
[23:03] <ghostcube> compiz uses it its normally the windows key
[23:04] <Monika|K> but what does it do?
[23:04] <ghostcube> nothing its just named super key
[23:04] <ghostcube> oO
[23:04] <ghostcube> i didnt have a windows key here
[23:04] <ghostcube> so i need to map it to another buttpon as super key
[23:06] <ghostcube> hmmm if i get a notification it shows the numbers of notificationds but not the reason and the text
[23:06] <ghostcube> oO
[23:07] <ghostcube> anyway not so important
[23:07] <ghostcube> :)
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