2009/08/05/#ubuntu-motu.txt

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[00:40] <pace_t_zulu> hey, how do i find out who is responsible for the 'open-vm-tools' package and where the packaging code is?
[00:49] <fta> pace_t_zulu, apt-cache showsrc open-vm-tools | grep -E '(Vcs|Maintainer)'
[00:50] <pace_t_zulu> fta thanks
[00:51] <YokoZar> Riddell: Well, that's an easy change to make ;)  Thanks for pointing out
[00:51] <pace_t_zulu> fta, if the package has been neglected in ubuntu, is it worth trying to fix
[00:51] <pace_t_zulu> fta, the package is important to my dev environment
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[00:55] <fta> pace_t_zulu, sure. strange there's nothing on MoM for it, do you mean debian is fresher?
[00:56] <pace_t_zulu> fta, MoM?
[00:56] <fta> https://merges.ubuntu.com/
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[00:57] <ajmitch> fta: it's in multiverse, and looks like it needs a sync rather than a merge
[00:57] <pace_t_zulu> fta, which debian version would be merged into karmic? unstable?
[00:58] <pace_t_zulu> fta, the current karmic version that has been FTB for months is 2009.05.22-167859-3
[00:58] <fta> pace_t_zulu, then fix it, and look for a sponsor ;)
[00:59] <pace_t_zulu> fta both sid and squeeze are ahead
[00:59] <pace_t_zulu> fta, you want to sponsor?
[00:59] <pace_t_zulu> :)
[00:59] <fta> i need to look at your work first
[01:02] <YokoZar> Riddell: I guess I've learned my lesson about reading the copyright off the project page rather than looking at individual files.
[01:03] <pace_t_zulu> fta: understood
[01:04] <pace_t_zulu> fta: since the package is maintained upstream by debian... how would i patch it? create a bazaar branch? ... could you perhaps point me to documentation that would provide instruction?
[01:07] <pace_t_zulu> anyone ^
[01:08] <pace_t_zulu> if a package is maintained upstream by debian in a git repo... how would i patch it? create a bazaar branch? ... could you perhaps point me to documentation that would provide instruction?
[01:09] <elgeneralmidi> bon un clopio et aulit
[01:10] <elgeneralmidi> sorry
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[01:33] <kklimonda> hyperair: are you going to upload banshee 1.5 to karmic or are you waiting for stable release?
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[02:06] <directhex> kklimonda, the latter
[02:07] <kklimonda> directhex: thanks.
[02:09] <jerbear> I would like an example or a tutorial for how to package a python app.
[02:14] <jerbear> please?
[02:14] <porthose_> jerbear, for some examples http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/python-apps/
[02:15] <jerbear> maybe a tutorial on how to manage it?
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[02:16] <jerbear> on the dev tools?
[02:41] <jerbear> anyone?
[02:43] <porthose_> jerbear, have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete, if you haven't already :)
[02:44] <porthose_> jerbear, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment
[02:45] <vorian> jerbear: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy
[02:45] <porthose_> thx vorian, that one was next :)
[02:45] <vorian> :)
[02:45]  * vorian has a couple of python packages floating around
[02:46] <porthose_> :)
[02:47] <jerbear> vorian: what's your workflow like?
[02:48] <vorian> first you get a clean tarball
[02:48] <vorian> extract it
[02:48] <vorian> use dh_make, choosing cdbs
[02:48] <vorian> rm *.EX *.ex
[02:48] <vorian> from the debian dir/
[02:48] <vorian> then get to work from there
[02:49] <jerbear> vorian: any options to dh_make?
[02:49] <vorian> the wiki page there explains pretty much everything you need to do
[02:49] <vorian> yes, there are - i suggest man dh_make to explore the arguments
[02:50] <vorian> usually, you can dh_make -c (type of copyright) -f ../original.tar.gz
[02:50] <vorian> python is very easy to package, as long as there arent any eggs to deal with
[02:51] <jerbear> vorian: eggs to deal with in what way?
[02:51] <vorian> like java jars, complex python apps use eggs
[02:52] <vorian> check out - chm2pdf for an example of a fabulous python package :D
[02:53] <jerbear> i know what eggs are, i'm just not sure how you mean "deal with"
[02:53] <vorian> if you have never created a debian package before, it will be worth your time to go through the docs on the MOTU wiki first
[02:54] <vorian> jerbear: it's explained on the link i gave you
[02:54] <vorian> just a few extra steps
[02:58] <jerbear> vorian: which one, DebianPython/NewPolicy?
[02:59] <vorian> jerbear: yep
[02:59] <jerbear> vorian: thanks
[02:59] <vorian> no problem
[02:59] <vorian> just keep firing questions at us, as you need
[02:59] <jerbear> i really appreciate it
[03:00] <jerbear> vorian: when are you usually available? (in case i have any questions on another day)
[03:00] <vorian> usually around this time
[03:00] <jerbear> Okay :)
[03:00] <vorian> i'm in the US, and available most evenings
[03:00] <jerbear> US here too
[03:00] <vorian> gotcha
[03:01] <vorian> :)
[03:02] <pace_t_zulu> hey guys...
[03:02] <pace_t_zulu> so i'm trying to get a package built.... it's been in ftbfs for months
[03:02] <vorian> sounds awesome
[03:02] <pace_t_zulu> where can i learn how motu syncs with upstream... debian
[03:02] <vorian> is it a gnome package?
[03:03] <pace_t_zulu> varian  ... actually a multiverse package
[03:03] <vorian> ah
[03:03] <pace_t_zulu> the debian version is fresher and seems to build just fine
[03:03] <vorian> depends, it may need merged vs synced
[03:03] <vorian> pace_t_zulu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[03:04] <vorian> debian import freeze was a while ago, so all syncs have to be done manually
[03:04] <pace_t_zulu> vorian: thanks
[03:04] <vorian> no problem
[03:04] <pace_t_zulu> vorian: well this has been an ftb in karmic for months
[03:05] <vorian> does it have an ubuntu version?
[03:05] <ajmitch> pace_t_zulu: have you tried building the newer debian package?
[03:05] <pace_t_zulu> ajmitch: yeah... built it in pbuilder
[03:05] <pace_t_zulu> ajmitch: running it now
[03:06] <ajmitch> then it's most likely a sync request to put in & get ACKed
[03:06] <vorian> i've got time to test it now, if you want to file the bug pace_t_zulu
[03:06] <ajmitch> since you've tested it builds & are running it, you can use 'requestsync -s' to file a bug in launchpad about it, if there's not one there already
[03:07] <pace_t_zulu> vorian: yeah... gimme a sec... running into a snag
[03:07] <vorian> ahhh, the snags :)
[03:07]  * vorian pets drop to shell hook
[03:07] <YokoZar> Riddell: Question ~ springlobby: according to the authors the entire libtorrent folder is unnecessary on Linux (since we ship/link to the system libtorrent-rasterbar by default) and can just be deleted.  Do I need to delete this from the .orig source and make a new "upstream" tarball without it?
[03:08] <pace_t_zulu> spoke too soon :(
[03:23] <pace_t_zulu> vorian: should i just file a bug on LP
[03:23] <vorian> pace_t_zulu: did you get it built?
[03:23] <vorian> rather, did it build in a clean environment?
[03:23] <pace_t_zulu> vorian: ya, it's running
[03:24] <pace_t_zulu> vorian: built just fine in pbuilder
[03:24] <vorian> pace_t_zulu: great, does it have an ubuntu version?
[03:25] <pace_t_zulu> vorian: i'd seen those proble before...
[03:25] <vorian> as in package_1.1-#ubuntu#
[03:25] <pace_t_zulu> vorian: i don't think so... checking
[03:25] <vorian> or just package_1.1
[03:25] <pace_t_zulu> vorian: hopefully i'm handing you some low hanging fruit
[03:25] <vorian> na, you're doing the work :)
[03:25] <pace_t_zulu> vorian: no ubuntu version
[03:25] <vorian> cool
[03:26] <vorian> file a sync request
[03:27] <pace_t_zulu> vorian: using 'requestsync'?
[03:27] <vorian> that's one way, the easiest for sure :)
[03:30] <pace_t_zulu> meh.... "No credentials found for 'ubuntu-dev-tools', please see the manage-credentials manpage for help on how to create one for this consumer."
[03:31] <vorian> oh yeah, that fancy stuff
[03:31] <vorian> it may be best to manually do it
[03:32] <vorian> the wiki page describs it fully
[03:32] <vorian> describes too
[03:37] <pace_t_zulu> vorian: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/open-vm-tools/+bug/409163
[03:37] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 409163 in open-vm-tools "Please sync open-vm-tools from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New]
[03:37]  * vorian gets on it 
[03:38]  * pace_t_zulu thanks vorian
[03:45] <pace_t_zulu> vorian, how does it look?
[03:46] <LaserJock> can we i18n package long descriptions at all?
[03:46] <vorian> pace_t_zulu: i will know for sure in about 12 hours
[03:46] <vorian> i dont think i'll be able to finish tonight
[03:47] <pace_t_zulu> vorian: no worries, thanks for your help
[03:47] <pace_t_zulu> open-vm-tools has been FTBFS for too long
[03:47] <LaserJock> vorian: hola
[03:47] <vorian> LaserJock: yo
[03:47] <vorian> the i18n stuff hates me
[03:48] <LaserJock> vorian: how's it goin'? KDE 4.3 out yet? :-)
[03:48] <vorian> YUS!
[03:48] <vorian> today
[03:48] <vorian> LaserJock: i'm moving out your way in a week, just a few hundred miles north (ID)
[03:49] <LaserJock> vorian: lol, I'm moving to Boston Saturday
[03:49] <vorian> holy!
[03:49] <LaserJock> vorian: where in ID?
[03:49] <vorian> Idaho Falls
[03:49] <LaserJock> oh, awesome
[03:49] <LaserJock> that's only 2hrs from where I grew up
[03:49] <vorian> i'm very excited
[03:49] <vorian> cool
[03:50] <LaserJock> Idaho Falls was like the "big city" for us :-)
[03:50] <vorian> haha, that's what I hear.  It's a big regional center
[03:50] <LaserJock> yeah, I flew into there for my brother's wedding
[03:50] <vorian> and now you are moving to a foreign country :'(
[03:51] <LaserJock> heh
[03:51] <LaserJock> well, I gotta go where the jobs are
[03:51] <vorian> at least the baseball is good there
[03:51] <LaserJock> and I'm lucky to get anything right now
[03:51] <LaserJock> I got a job contracting to the Air Force
[03:51] <vorian> excellent
[03:52] <vorian> that's job security
[03:52] <LaserJock> well, kinda kinda not
[03:52] <LaserJock> it's a 2 year job
[03:52] <LaserJock> but could lead to some more stuff maybe
[03:52] <LaserJock> I'm liking 2 years 'cause if I hate Boston I can get out :-)
[03:52] <vorian> true
[03:53] <LaserJock> grew up in a town of 4k, went to school in a city of 400k, now moving to 4M :-)
[03:53] <vorian> that's quite a jump
[03:54] <LaserJock> well, at least I'm used to traffic lights now ;-)
[03:54] <vorian> and quite a change in weather too B-)
[03:54] <LaserJock> thank goodness
[03:54] <vorian> ha
[03:54] <LaserJock> I'm so tired of sun
[03:54] <vorian> i bet
[03:55] <vorian> I purchased a nice big ole snow thrower on my last day at TSC
[03:55] <LaserJock> gimme some rain!
[03:56] <vorian> i was not a fan of the summer in phonex
[03:56] <vorian> or the monsoons
[03:56] <vorian> or the black widows
[03:56] <LaserJock> Idaho Falls has some cold cold weather
[03:56] <LaserJock> one time we drove through there and the interstate was solid black ice
[03:57] <LaserJock> icecycles were hanging on all the fences
[03:57] <vorian> that happens here all the time
[03:57] <LaserJock> I think the thermometer said -26F
[03:57] <vorian> in fact, I have a photo from one of our ice-storms as a kdeartwork wallpaper!
[03:58] <LaserJock> ID & MT are dry enough to not have many ice storms
[03:58] <vorian> yikes, that's cold
[03:58] <vorian> that's what I hear, and we just got two really really nice de-himidifiers too :(
[03:58] <LaserJock> lol
[03:58] <LaserJock> I lived with a humidifier growing up
[03:59] <LaserJock> used to get bloody noses all the time from the dry air (wood stoves)
[03:59] <vorian> i bet
[03:59] <vorian> when we visited IF a month ago, 2 of my kids got bloodies noses
[03:59] <LaserJock> interestingly, Reno has seemed a bit wetter
[03:59]  * vorian can't type tonight
[04:00]  * LaserJock can't type ever
[04:00] <vorian> haha, lies
[04:01] <LaserJock> vorian: you hear I'm Dr. LaserJock now?
[04:01] <vorian> wow
[04:01]  * vorian bows
[04:01] <vorian> congrats!
[04:01] <LaserJock> thanks
[04:01] <vorian> that's awesome
[04:01] <LaserJock> it was an insane amount of work at the end
[04:01] <vorian> but you lived!
[04:02] <LaserJock> *barely*
[04:02] <vorian> haha
[04:02] <LaserJock> it was 11 years of uni
[04:02] <vorian> that is crazy
[04:02] <LaserJock> I'm glad I didn't get a university postdoc, I'm tired of it
[04:02] <vorian> i couldn't handle 4
[04:03] <LaserJock> oh, the first 4 were *easy*
[04:03] <LaserJock> the last 4 were a giant pain in the butt
[04:03] <vorian> i'm sure
[04:03] <LaserJock> I found out that I like learning a lot more than I like research
[04:04] <LaserJock> so after I was done with all the classes it kinda dragged on a bit
[04:04] <ajmitch> hey LaserJock
[04:04] <LaserJock> ajmitch: hi!
[04:04] <LaserJock> my favorite kiwi
[04:04] <ajmitch> only one you know? :)
[04:04] <ajmitch> how's it going?
[04:05] <LaserJock> oh, OK
[04:05] <LaserJock> I'm putting the final corrections on the dissertation
[04:05] <LaserJock> the defense was pretty easy (2.5 hrs)
[04:06] <ajmitch> great :)
[04:07] <ajmitch> & congrats on the new job (just read scrollback)
[04:07] <LaserJock> thanks
[04:07] <LaserJock> I'm 27 and *just* getting my first real job
[04:07] <ajmitch> heh
[04:07] <LaserJock> I feel like such a bonehead
[04:07] <ajmitch> the life of an academic :)
[04:09] <LaserJock> I almost didn't take the job though
[04:09] <LaserJock> the Air Force requires Windows!
[04:09] <ajmitch> it's a big change
[04:09] <ajmitch> oh no!
[04:11] <LaserJock> bbiab, gotta walk the dog
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[04:53] <andol> andv: Here now. Saw that you upload the debdiff, thanks
[05:10] <RoAkSoAx> slangasek, ping
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[05:53] <hyperair> `/lastlog -hilight
[05:53] <hyperair> oh whoops
[05:54] <hyperair> kklimonda: waiting for 1.6.
[05:54] <hyperair> kklimonda: the guys in #ubuntu-desktop weren't keen on taking in an unstable release
[05:55] <hyperair> kklimonda: not without a schedule of when the stablew ould be coming out anyway
[05:55] <kklimonda> hyperair: how stable is it btw?
[05:55] <hyperair> ```it's pretty stable, but they've announced 1.5.x as an unstable release
[05:55] <kklimonda> oh wait, it's in banshee unstable ppa so I can actually test it myself :)
[05:55] <hyperair> =)
[06:00] <hyperair> oh yeah the banshee unstable ppa has shifted to https://launchpad.net/~banshee-team/+archive/banshee-unstable
[06:59] <stochastic> Can anyone revu ANY of these packages http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/xwax     http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/a2jmidid    http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/xjadeo     http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/slv2   ( http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/pyphat would also be nice)
[07:51] <stochastic> Is there any other way to get people to Revu packages other than posting a request in this channel?
[07:54] <Zhenech> bdrung_, done
[09:02] <Riddell> YokoZar: you don't need to delete the libtorrent unless it has licencing problems, but if it has a different licence than the rest of the sources you need to mention that in debian/copyright
[09:03] <YokoZar> Riddell: ok, that seems fine (same code as another package we ship)
[09:03] <YokoZar> not sure why it's in the upstream tarball
[09:16] <geser> andv: yes, mainterfield change shouldn't be mentioned anymore in the changelog
[09:20] <directhex> YokoZar, for "convenience"
[09:20] <directhex> YokoZar, be happy it's source & not binary!
[09:20] <YokoZar> fair enough :)
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[09:56] <kamalnandan> how do we install karmic release on jaunty..
[09:56] <kamalnandan> someone mentioned that it can be done using chroot...i didnt get it..
[09:56] <kamalnandan> any clue folks?
[10:07] <kamalnandan> how do we install karmic release on jaunty using chroot?
[10:07] <kamalnandan> any clue
[10:09] <hyperair> for some reason gmail is sticking all the emails i send from @ubuntu.com into my inbox O_o
[10:09] <hyperair> is anyone noticing the same thing?
[10:09] <hyperair> kamalnandan: please don't keep repeating your question.
[10:09] <iulian> kamalnandan: Asking same question over and over again won't help you.  We already answered yesterday.
[10:09] <hyperair> kamalnandan: and this isn't the right place.
[10:10] <bdrung_> Zhenech: thanks
[10:10] <Zhenech> bdrung_, yw, in exchange I need a free webdav client for windows :)
[10:10] <iulian> kamalnandan: Did you follow what we gave you yesterday?
[10:11] <bdrung_> Zhenech: what is windows? :)
[10:12] <kamalnandan> iulian: sorry...infact, i dont have that document with me right now...i am at my workplace and forgot to forward the link(then i was at my home)..it would be kind of you, if you could send the link to me once again..:-)
[10:13] <kamalnandan> i read that, but couldnt follow much...so didnt go futher..however, i want to read that once again with a fresh mindset..
[10:13] <Zhenech> bdrung_, that thingy that still does not have a fullz posix compatible env :)
[10:15] <bdrung_> Zhenech: o, i can remember now. but who wants to use that crap? :)
[10:15] <kamalnandan> I am searching for that page on the internet, but somehow, havnt been able to locate as yet..
[10:15] <Zhenech> bdrung_, /me points at that person at the right side of his table
[10:16] <bdrung_> Zhenech: Sincere condolences to him.
[10:19] <kamalnandan> iulian: can you send the link to me once again, if you dont mind..sorry for being irresponsible...
[10:21] <Zhenech> bdrung_, her ...
[10:21] <bdrung_> ok
[10:22] <iulian> !chroot | kamalnandan
[10:22] <ubottu> kamalnandan: chroot is used to make programs believe that the directory they are running in is really the root directory. It can be used to stop programs accessing files outside of that directory, or for compiling 32bit applications in a 64bit environment (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot)
[10:22] <eboyjr> Hello, what are the typical questions, topics asked in here?
[10:22] <iulian> !pbuilder | kamalnandan
[10:22] <ubottu> kamalnandan: pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[10:23] <eboyjr> In better words, what is the MOTU?
[10:24] <kamalnandan> iulian: thanks a lot..:-)..
[10:24] <iulian> eboyjr: /topic.
[10:25] <eboyjr> iulian: Oh well my firefox is not working cuz of the update i just got so i cant click the links
[10:27] <eboyjr> Soo... what is the MOTU
[10:32] <iulian> eboyjr: Then find another way to access those wiki pages.  There are loads of things to tell.
[10:32] <eboyjr> ..thanks.
[10:37] <kklimonda> if some source files in tarball are missing license header it's a big no-no and I should contact upstream?
[10:45] <directhex> kklimonda, depends how bad it is
[10:46] <directhex> kklimonda, there's no strict rule, more of a gut-feeling "this needs moar licensing"
[10:46] <kklimonda> directhex: not really - 3 unittests and one header (the "top" one that just includes other)
[10:46] <directhex> feh. i'd let it in
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[10:49] <jdetaeye> a quick question from a newbie-uploader:   I just uploaded my first package with dput.  Is there a time delay before I can see the upload package on http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/?
[10:53] <geser> up to 3 min or so
[10:53] <geser> did you use ..._source.changes for upload?
[10:54] <jdetaeye> hmm... has been over 30 minutes now
[10:55] <jdetaeye> see http://dpaste.com/75456/
[10:56] <jdetaeye> paste is not compete - but has no error messages and ends with "Successfully uploaded packages."
[10:57] <geser> then you need on one of the REVU admins so he can look into it
[10:57] <jdetaeye> any harm in re-uploading?
[10:58] <geser> afaik no
[10:58] <jdetaeye> hm says "Already uploaded to revu on revu.ubuntuwire.com   Doing nothing for frepple_0.7.1-1_source.changes"
[10:59] <kklimonda> use -f
[11:01] <andv> geser, perfect ty for updating me
[11:02] <geser> andv: this was also once mentioned in a mail on ubuntu-devel but I can't find it right now
[11:02] <andv> k
[11:03] <jdetaeye> new upload done - http://dpaste.com/75458/ - this time it worked and it is already visible on the page.  Thanks!
[11:56] <kwah> Hi all
[11:56] <kwah> Probably silly beginner question, but...
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[11:57] <kwah> How one could start with sources of the packages available in debian/unstable
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[11:57] <kwah> Is there any documentation/hotos related to that?
[11:57] <kwah> *howtos
[12:01] <iulian> kwah: What do you mean?  Do you want to download source packages from unstable?
[12:02] <kwah> At least to begin with
[12:02] <iulian> I'm afraid I don't understand the question.  Could you please rephrase?
[12:02] <azeem> add an appropriate deb-src then
[12:02] <azeem> and possible specify the version like apt-get source foo=1.2.3-4
[12:02] <kwah> Hm. I think I do something wrong then...
[12:02] <iulian> Or use pull-debian-source from ubuntu-dev-tools.
[12:03] <azeem> heh, or that
[12:03] <kwah> I hav a set of files package-xxxx in dsc,orig,diff
[12:04] <kwah> and want to try building it for ubuntu
[12:05] <kwah> In FM (fine manuals) etc, there is always a start from apt-get source...
[12:05] <kwah> Which does a lot of staff "under the hood" apparently.
[12:06] <iulian> kwah: Not really, it just downloads the source package.
[12:06] <kwah> + unpacks tarballs
[12:06] <kwah> + applies patches
[12:06] <kwah> ?
[12:07] <kwah> So, I figured out download part myself... :D
[12:11] <iulian> When you build the package it links everything together.
[12:12] <kwah> So, before I modify something (like adjust package-src/debian/* files) I should build package?
[12:13] <iulian> kwah: s/before/after/.
[12:13] <kwah> pull-debian-source does not do it. I believe because package is still in review and not in the repositories yet.
[12:15] <kwah> ok, how from pack.orig.tar.gz, pack.diff.gz and pack.dsc I can get sources layout I can start modifications then?
[12:15] <iulian> kwah: pull-debian-source just downloads the source package (*.diff.gz; *.dsc and *.orig.tar.gz).  To build the package you want dpkg-buildpackage.
[12:18] <kwah> dpkg-buildpackage needs proper control files
[12:18] <kwah> how one makes layeout for source package out of  (*.diff.gz; *.dsc and *.orig.tar.gz) ?
[12:18] <kwah> isnt it automated?
[12:18] <kwah> somehow
[12:18] <iulian> You mean, .deb packages?
[12:19]  * kwah believes that it is so basic, noone even think about it :D
[12:19] <iulian> You need to build the package in order to get the .deb.
[12:19] <kwah> let me start again
[12:20] <iulian> And please elaborate.
[12:20] <kwah> I have  (*.diff.gz; *.dsc and *.orig.tar.gz) for certain package
[12:20] <iulian> kwah: Yes, that's the source.
[12:20] <kwah> How can I unpack everything so I can tweak some minor things ?
[12:21] <iulian> kwah: dpkg-source -x *.dsc
[12:22] <kwah> iulian, thanks, that's it
[12:22] <iulian> No problem.
[12:23] <kwah> I remember there was something like that in one of the dozens tutorials I went briefly through last night :(
[12:23] <kwah> Sorry for bothering.
[12:25] <iulian> kwah: If you have any more questions, please ask.
[12:26]  * kwah should read more carefully 
[12:26] <kwah> iulian, ok.
[12:32] <slytherin> ttx: ping
[12:33] <slytherin> ttx: I was wondering how your jetty6 package is different than the jetty package in Debian experimental
[12:33] <ttx> slytherin: it's the libraries only. No daemon. It's needed so that it can reach main.
[12:34] <slytherin> ahh
[12:34] <ttx> slytherin: current state of the package in debian experimental isn't satisfying
[12:34] <ttx> (for main qa standards)
[12:34] <slytherin> hmm
[12:34] <slytherin> so when it reaches that state are you going to drop your package?
[12:34] <ttx> We'll work to qa and sync it for karmic+1
[12:35] <ttx> depending on what name they finally choose
[12:35] <ttx> merge or replace it.
[12:35] <slytherin> find
[12:36] <ttx> slytherin: I should be able to improve the package in debian when I have more free time it after featurefreeze
[12:36] <ttx> so that karmic+1 sync is painless.
[12:37] <slytherin> No issues. I believe we discussed this already. Just didn't recall it when I saw your package.
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[13:05] <geser> Laney: I've a question about your haskell overview plot: does it check only a specific arch for installablity?
[13:07] <Laney> geser: yes, i386
[13:10] <geser> Laney: I wonder why it marks haskell-curl as green while libghc6-curl-dev being unavailable on i386
[13:11] <Laney> geser: you can run edos-debcheck manually to find out
[13:11] <Laney> or I can
[13:15] <Laney> geser: It doesn't appear in packages.bz2
[13:15] <Laney> probably because it never built correctly
[13:16] <geser> it never build correctly (needs a rebuild)
[13:16] <Laney> yes
[13:16] <Laney> I did give-backs now
[13:16] <Laney> but that explains why it was green
[13:17] <geser> Laney: it build on sparc and armel in the past, so we need a build1 upload anyway
[13:17] <geser> just wanted to inform you about a possible bug in the script for the graph if it marks missing packages as ok
[13:19] <Laney> hmm
[13:19] <Laney> :q
[13:21] <Laney> So you have to check for every source package if all of the binaries are present in Packages
[13:26] <slytherin> geser: Laney: Which script are you guys talking about?
[13:26] <Laney> haskell-pkg-graph
[13:29] <slytherin> oh, I thought it was some generic script to check status of packages.
[13:30] <Laney> it would be nice if it were more generic
[13:42] <Laney> geser: are you taking care of some of the rebuilds?
[13:42] <geser> Laney: yes, why?
[13:43] <Laney> just curious
[13:43] <Laney> looking at the hsql ones now
[13:44] <geser> I regularly look at the FBTFS list and unmet deps and transitions are easy to get off those lists
[13:45] <Laney> right
[13:49] <geser> argh, haskell-http currently in Ubuntu needs a package which isn't there anymore and the new version from Debian needs a newer cdbs than currently in Ubuntu
[13:49] <Laney> yes :(
[13:50] <Laney> I tried to bribe sebner to do that merge
[13:50] <geser> any success?
[13:50] <Laney> I think not
[13:54] <didrocks> StevenK:  clutter-gtk 0.10 uploaded
[13:54] <StevenK> \o/ !
[13:55] <StevenK> didrocks: Source package name?
[13:57] <didrocks> StevenK: clutter-gtk. So, you will just have to ack for new binaries (as 0.8 seems to be a dead branch)
[13:57] <StevenK> didrocks: It wants clutter 1.0 ?
[13:58] <didrocks> StevenK: yes
[13:58] <StevenK> didrocks: If so, it won't build, since clutter-gtk is in main, and clutter-1.0 is in universe.
[13:58] <didrocks> StevenK: Oh clutter-gtk is in main? ok, my upload will fail so. I saw that the maintainer was MOTU developer and didn't check
[13:59] <StevenK> didrocks: I can sponsor it for you, but won't do so until clutter-1.0 gets promoted
[13:59] <didrocks> StevenK: ok, so I can use a different package name that we put on universe?
[14:00] <StevenK> didrocks: It should go to main, anyway ...
[14:00] <didrocks> StevenK: so, it's maybe the time to achieve a MIR for clutter 1.0?
[14:00] <StevenK> didrocks: It doesn't need one, 0.8 is in main
[14:01] <StevenK> didrocks: Just needs some other things promoted, which is in progrsss.
[14:01] <didrocks> StevenK: ok. I just open a bug and just subscribe you and not the u-m-s. I put a comment about waiting clutter 1.0 in main
[14:02] <StevenK> *progress
[14:10] <didrocks> StevenK: so, we clutter 1.0 will be in main, bug #409323
[14:10] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 409323 in clutter-gtk "Please, update clutter-gtk to 0.10.2" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/409323
[14:11] <StevenK> didrocks: Thanks!
[14:11] <didrocks> StevenK: y/w :)
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[14:34] <kwah> Is it possible to get binary only-component in the repositories, when there is a statement like this imposed: The free downloading of X is only allowed for coupling with Y. For any other use, a license agreement is requested.
[14:34] <kwah> ?
[14:35] <kwah> Which is (I guess) really vague statement in itself.
[14:35] <Laney> no
[14:36] <Laney> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/licensing
[14:36] <Laney> kwah: check that
[14:36] <kwah> ok
[14:36] <kwah> thanks
[16:02] <Laney> does sbuild have some known problem with packages that use dpatch?
[16:04] <Laney> try rebuilding haskell-hsql-sqlite3, it bombs out at applying the patches for me
[16:04] <Laney> whereas pbuilder works fine
[16:15] <RoAkSoAx> slangasek, Hey there. Got one question regarding lsb. Should LSB 4.0 in karmic be exactly the same in Jaunty, so that when doing a debdiff between them, there would be no changes?
[16:16] <slangasek> RoAkSoAx: by definition there will always be at least one diff between two versions of a package, which is a changelog
[16:17] <slangasek> the other differing bits look suspiciously like a botched merge
[16:18] <RoAkSoAx> slangasek, I see, but for example, should init-functions be the same in both packages? Because there are differences that are causing non normal functioning on the status action of init scripts
[16:18] <slangasek> though it wasn't introduced from 0ubuntu1 to 0ubuntu2, so I don't know
[16:19] <slangasek> RoAkSoAx: ok; as I recall, the 4.0 SRU to jaunty cherry-picked only the bits relevant to be able to claim it's 4.0, no other functional changes from what was already in jaunty
[16:20] <RoAkSoAx> slangasek, I see. I'll report the bug then and ping you to take a look at it. :)
[16:25] <RoAkSoAx> DktrKranz, heya!! I've uploaded the new changes for lekhonee: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/lekhonee When you have some free time please review them. Thank you.
[16:27] <slangasek> RoAkSoAx: pinging me personally is likely the wrong approach...
[16:28] <RoAkSoAx> slangasek, yes I know, but since you where the one who uploaded the latest version of LSB i though you might be interested in this bug
[16:28] <slangasek> I am interested in many bugs, that doesn't mean a personal ping is necessarily effective :)
[16:29] <RoAkSoAx> slangasek, ok :)
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[17:07] <kiko> hey, any motu willing to do a super trivial backport of rss2email?
[17:07] <kiko> it's working fine on karmic
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[17:26] <geser> c_korn: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/schroedinger/schroedinger_1.0.7-2.dsc
[17:28] <c_korn> geser: yes, thanks. I will test it
[17:29] <DktrKranz> RoAkSoAx: I'll probably have a look this evening. I'll be on holiday with limited network access (if none at all!), so better hurrying up ;)
[17:31] <RoAkSoAx> DktrKranz, yep, it should be done now :) (at least i hope so). I've tried to use a private directory (/usr/share/lekhonee) but couldn't get it to work, and I think that of upstream.
[17:32] <pace_t_zulu> vorian: you around?
[17:33] <kees> sbeattie: why is bitlbee even compiled with Depends: libc6 (>> 2.9), libc6 (<< 2.10)  ??
[17:34] <sbeattie> kees: bitlbe's control file just has ${shlibs:Depends}
[17:34] <sbeattie> kees: so I have no idea.
[17:36] <kees> sbeattie: yeah, it's creepy.  :P  slangasek: help!  :)
[17:38] <slangasek> kees: uh?
[17:39] <kees> slangasek: Depends: ${shlibs:Depends} is expanding (in bitlbee) to Depends: libc6 (>> 2.9), libc6 (<< 2.10)   (LP: #409422)
[17:39] <kees> just weird
[17:39] <slangasek> kees: currently, or when previously built with eglibc 2.9?
[17:40] <kees> slangasek: when previously built, I assume
[17:40] <slangasek> then I guess it was a previous bug in libc6?
[17:40] <kees> but why are other things not melting down in the same way?
[17:40] <sbeattie> slangasek: when rebuilt against eglibc 2.10, it becomes libc6 (>> 2.10), libc6 (<< 2.11),
[17:41] <slangasek> peer
[17:41] <slangasek> checking
[17:41] <slangasek> could be a corner case in symbols file
[17:41] <sbeattie> (am basing on a test rebuild I did in https://launchpad.net/~sbeattie/+archive/ppa)
[17:42] <slangasek> or it could be to do with the package calling dpkg-shlibdeps manually in debian/rules, instead of using a sensible abstraction
[17:50] <slangasek> sbeattie, kees: the .symbols file has a fallback to the dep in question when any symbols not listed out in the .symbols file are referenced
[17:51] <slangasek> GLIBC_PRIVATE __res_iclose
[17:51] <slangasek> maybe that one?
[17:52] <kees> hunh
[17:53] <slangasek> the symbol in question is listed, but with a strange version qualifier that I don't understand
[18:08] <logari81> if anyone can imagine what the combination of the "--enable-shared" configure option and the pydoc error "cannot open shared object file" could mean, would probably be able to help me with a building/packaging problem that I have.
[18:42] <geser> when refactoring a python script and moving code into it's own module, who put I into the copyright line of the new files? the authors of the main script or myself and just name the other possible authors?
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[20:12] <slayton> is there any documentation on how to package a single python script into a debian package?
[20:18] <POX> slayton: /usr/bin/script?
[20:18] <slayton> POX, yes
[20:18] <geser> slayton: can't it be added to some other existing package instead of creating a new one?
[20:19] <slayton> I'd prefer it be a stand alone package as there are several other packages that will rely on it...
[20:19] <slayton> but its not common to any other package I'm working on
[20:20] <slayton> err... it wouldn't make sense to add it to any of the other packages
[20:20] <POX> all you need to do is add python to Depends (or pythonX.Y if it's in shebang) and a manpage
[20:20] <slayton> ok thanks
[20:21] <POX> if you import something outside stdlib, you need it in Depends as well, of course
[20:22] <slayton> right... I guess I was more wondering what is the proper way to write the rules file as I don't have a makefile
[20:22] <POX> dh_install script /usr/bin
[20:22] <POX> in install: target
[20:24] <POX> or put in in install file and use /usr/share/doc/debhelper/examples/rules.tiny
[20:26] <slayton> POX, thank you that rules file is exactly what I was looking for
[20:26] <frafu> Hi; could anybody help me with the po and mo files in distutils? In fact, setup.py sdist produces a tarball with the po files; however setup.py bdist produces a tarball without any translation files. Moreover, dpkg-buildpackage based on a cdbs debianization also produces a deb package without any translation files. Could anybody please tell me how I can get the translations into the deb package?
[20:39] <fabrice_sp> frafu, compile them and install them. The installation can be done in a lot of ways (through an .install file, via make install, ...)
[20:40] <fabrice_sp> it really depends on the way the package is ... packaged :-)
[20:41] <frafu> fabrice_sp: it is package by using cdbs
[20:41] <fabrice_sp> .install file is the way, then
[20:43] <frafu> fabrice_sp: do you know where I can find information about how to setup an install file?
[20:43] <fabrice_sp> frafu, man dh_install
[20:46] <slayton> POX, if I want to sign package do I have to add something extra to the rules.tiny file?
[20:46] <slayton> *sign a package
[20:46] <frafu> fabrice_sp: thanks
[20:49] <slayton> POX, never mind I figured it out. I can just explicitly sign the package with debsign
[20:49] <fabrice_sp> yw ;-)
[20:55] <fabrice_sp> Are recommends installed in the buildd? I changed my sbuild to not install the  recommended packages, and some packages are FTBFSing...
[20:56] <fabrice_sp> so I'm wondering if I need to explicitly build depends on the recommended package of a principal one (libboost-dev, in that case)
[20:56] <geser> no recommends during build
[20:56] <fabrice_sp> ok
[20:56] <fabrice_sp> thanks geser
[20:56] <porthose_> nellery, ping
[20:57] <geser> if you need something you need to specify it in Build-Depends(-Indep)
[20:57] <nellery> porthose_: hi
[20:58] <porthose_> nellery, hey, do you have some time to do some mentoring?
[20:58] <fabrice_sp> geser, in that case, I need to explicitly Build-Depends on libboost-filesystem-dev then. Thanks!
[20:59] <nellery> porthose_: sorry, I'm busy right now
[20:59] <nellery> what type of mentoring did you need?
[20:59] <porthose_> nellery, I have a mentee who needs a mentor
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[21:00] <nellery> porthose_: ah. Best to get in touch with the mentoring reception
[21:01]  * porthose_ has his MOTU Mentoring Reception hat on
[21:01] <nellery> porthose_: oh!
[21:04] <fabrice_sp> Where can I see what are the requirements to change the Standards-version of a package from 3.7.2 to 3.8.2 ?
[21:05] <frafu> fabrice_sp:  There is something that is puzzling me now: there is an older version of that package (its name is onboard) in ubuntu main; when I run dpkg-buildpackage on it, the resulting deb does not have mo files; but there are onboard.mo files installed on my system. Is this normal?
[21:05] <porthose_> nellery, I just wanted to know if you where interested,  and if you had time. :)
[21:05] <geser> fabrice_sp: /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/upgrading-checklist.txt.gz
[21:07] <geser> frafu: for packages in main the packages are stripped during build and installed later through the language packs
[21:08] <fabrice_sp> thanks again geser (I had to install debian-policy package ;-) )
[21:10] <frafu> geser: but if I download the package with 'apt-get source ' and run dpkg-buildpackage on it, should the resulting deb not have mo files?
[21:11] <geser> frafu: in that case it should have it
[21:16] <frafu> geser: but it does not: there is no /usr/share/locale in the resulting deb!?
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[21:17] <frafu> geser: Does this mean there is an error in the debianization of that package?
[21:19] <frafu> geser: i wonder where the onboard.mo files come from; but as I am not using a  clean system, who knows!
[21:20] <fabrice_sp> frafu, it comes from language-pack-gnome packages
[21:20] <fabrice_sp> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=karmic&section=all&arch=any&searchon=contents&keywords=onboard.mo
[21:20] <fabrice_sp> :-D
[21:23] <frafu> thanks to both of you; i have to leave now; bye
[21:23] <fabrice_sp> bye
[21:25] <dtchen> Laney: please push a no-change rebuild of xmonad-contrib, too, when you have a chance
[21:25] <Laney> dtchen: ok
[21:26] <dtchen> Laney: sbuilt & pbuilt locally & using the resulting packages now, so it does work
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[21:39] <Laney> dtchen: uploaded
[21:39] <Laney> feel free to do any such uploads yourself in future
[21:46] <dtchen> Laney: i don't have upload privileges.
[21:47] <dtchen> Laney: but, thanks
[21:47] <Laney> what?!
[21:47] <geser> Laney: expired
[21:47]  * Laney expresses shock
[21:47] <geser> dtchen: do you plan to re-apply for them anytime?
[21:48] <dtchen> geser: when time permits, yes
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[21:54] <huats> porthose_: ping
[21:54] <huats> around ?
[21:54] <porthose_> huats, hey
[21:55] <huats> hey porthose_
[21:55] <huats> how are you ?
[21:55] <porthose_> fine you?
[21:55] <huats> fine too
[21:55] <huats> :)
[21:55] <huats> I just saw your email about monty for the mentoring
[21:55] <huats> I am not sure I said it to the list but he would take a slot in the senior step...
[21:56] <huats> you agree with me right ?
[21:56] <porthose_> yes
[21:56] <huats> good :
[21:56] <huats> ):)
[21:56] <porthose_> I am trying to match him with one of the senior mentors
[21:56] <huats> so we are ok :)
[21:56] <huats> great !
[21:57] <porthose_> huats, I thought his app was somewhat impressive
[21:57] <huats> :)
[21:58] <huats> same here :)
[22:03] <DktrKranz> bdrung_: are you a DD?
[22:04] <sebner> DktrKranz: trying to make bdrung_ and sponsoring slave? :P
[22:05] <DktrKranz> sebner: no, just trying to see if I've just discovered a weird thing in NEW page (and I hope to be able to do stuff myself soon ;(
[22:05] <DktrKranz> ;)
[22:06] <sebner> DktrKranz: "soon" *heh*, NEW page containing 1 km packages list in weird indeed ;D
[22:07] <DktrKranz> sebner: ask our intrepid bddebian to process some then ;)
[22:08] <sebner> DktrKranz: he can't, he told me that he can review then but they have to be reviewed again by a real ftp master
[22:09] <DktrKranz> I know, but not for long (I hope, for the 2nd time...)
[22:11] <sebner> hehehehe
[22:14] <bdrung_> DktrKranz: no, i am no dd and i am no motu.
[22:15] <bdrung_> the NEW queue is scary long.
[22:15] <DktrKranz> bdrung_: it seems you have upload rights, look at the bottom of http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html ;)
[22:16] <bdrung_> DktrKranz: i was sponsored
[22:16] <DktrKranz> yeah, but under normal condition you see something as Sponsor: [email protected]
[22:17] <bdrung_> yes, no idea why he is not listed there.
[22:17] <DktrKranz> bug ;)
[22:17] <DktrKranz> or you're a DD now without notice
[22:18] <DktrKranz> (mind pushing sth for me? ;)
[22:18] <sebner> DktrKranz: It's a feature not a bug. Don't tell Debian or the invest time to fix it instead of reviewing stuff ~o~
[22:18] <bdrung_> maybe. the first upload of my sponsor gets into the nirvana.
[22:19] <blackmoon> hi, a binary firmaware (for usb card) can be included in a deb package?
[22:19] <bdrung_> DktrKranz: being a dd would be nice. :)
[22:20] <DktrKranz> bdrung_: I hope I can tell you soon ;)
[22:20] <bdrung_> DktrKranz: then i would need to go the sponsors on their nerves.
[22:20] <DktrKranz> blackmoon: answer is likely no
[22:21] <DktrKranz> not as in universe, at least
[22:24] <dtchen> blackmoon: see medibuntu as an alternate repository for such packages.
[22:25] <dtchen> e.g., alsa-firmware
[22:26] <blackmoon> DktrKranz: ok, thank you for answer... it's the same for ppa archive rigth?
[22:28] <sebner> blackmoon: you can upload anything you want to your ppa
[22:29] <sebner> well, as long it's not against the CoC
[22:29] <DktrKranz> sebner: PPA terms forbid to use it for non-free software
[22:30] <DktrKranz> (or they used to)
[22:30] <sebner> DktrKranz: really? O_o
[22:30] <DktrKranz> yu
[22:30] <DktrKranz> p
[22:30] <blackmoon> DktrKranz: thank you again
[22:31] <DktrKranz> blackmoon: I'll check, it's been ages since I last checked
[22:31] <blackmoon> DktrKranz: ok
[22:32] <DktrKranz> sebner, blackmoon: https://help.launchpad.net/PPATermsofUse
[22:33] <sebner> DktrKranz: Ubuntu "main" and "restricted" Component license Policy Compliant
[22:35] <sebner> DktrKranz: besides, the next question is who and how is this controlled? Automatically by LP?
[22:38] <DktrKranz> sebner: mark in person ;)
[22:39] <sebner> DktrKranz: haha, anyways I'm sure is not 100% save regarding that
[22:39] <blackmoon> so if i want include a rt73.bin firmware in a deb package, i must do a script for download it from external?
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