2009/12/04/#ubuntu-learning.txt

=== pleia2 changed the topic of #ubuntu-learning to: Ubuntu Community Learning Project | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning | Next Meeting: Sunday, December 6, 2009 @ 9PM EST (Monday, December 7, @ 2AM UTC) | Support in #ubuntu
=== pleia2 changed the topic of #ubuntu-learning to: Ubuntu Community Learning Project | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning | Next Meeting: Sunday, December 6, 2009 @ 9PM EST (Monday, December 7, @ 2AM UTC) in #ubuntu-meeting | Support in #ubuntu
[01:42] <nigel_nb> pleia2: just saw your mail
[01:43] <pleia2> nigel_nb: thoughts?
[01:43] <nigel_nb> mine is an intro to bzr
[01:43] <pleia2> I was hoping we could hash some of this out before our meeting on sunday so we don't bog the meeting down with it
[01:43] <nigel_nb> essentially what doctormo wrote on his blog in a asciidoc class form
[01:44] <pleia2> ok, so you talk about "log into bzr, here is how you commit changes.." etc?
[01:44] <nigel_nb> yes
[01:44] <nigel_nb> wrt to uclp
[01:45] <pleia2> great
[01:45] <nigel_nb> I've finished first draft of 5 sections (half)
[01:45] <pleia2> close to finishing that?
[01:45] <pleia2> ok :)
[01:45] <nigel_nb> since u want it escalated, I'll drop everything and get the first draft complete today and put it up for review
[01:46] <pleia2> thanks, you rock!
[01:46] <pleia2> now I need to track down BiosElement for asciidoc ;)
[01:46] <nigel_nb> :)
[01:47] <nigel_nb> you'll be available online?
[01:47] <nigel_nb> today i mean
[01:47] <pleia2> for another hour at least, I have a terrible cold that is making me sleep like 14 hours/day
[01:48] <nigel_nb> ah :P, join the club
[01:48] <nigel_nb> but I'm still kickin though
[01:48] <pleia2> :)
[01:48] <nigel_nb> I'll start off then, so I can check with you on language
[01:48] <pleia2> great, thanks
[01:54] <nigel_nb> pleia2: tircd shows you replies from people that you're not following?
[01:54] <pleia2> nigel_nb: the client doesn't control that, it's the twitter api
[01:55] <nigel_nb> oh ok :)
[01:56] <pleia2> but yeah, it does
[01:56] <nigel_nb> have to try it out later then
[01:56] <nigel_nb> oh, lp is down
[01:56] <pleia2> doh
[02:06] <BiosElement> pleia2: I'm around >.>
[02:06] <pleia2> hey BiosElement :)
[02:06] <pleia2> see my email?
[02:06] <BiosElement> Aye.
[02:07] <pleia2> where are we with asciidoc structure?
[02:07]  * pleia2 itches to write stuff
[02:07] <BiosElement> Ahh, that's a good question. >.>
[02:11]  * pleia2 watches her energy meter drop significantly faster than she had anticipated
[02:12] <pleia2> stupid cold!
[02:12] <nigel_nb_> pleia2: wanna hit the bed?
[02:12] <pleia2> yeah, I think that's where I'm headed :(
[02:12] <pleia2> I'll be around all weekend though
[02:12] <nigel_nb_> anyway, lp is down
[02:12] <nigel_nb_> anything I do stays in my system
[02:13] <nigel_nb_> asked in #launchpad, it was supposed to be up at 2345 UTC, but some delay.  So, there is no guarantee when it will be up
[02:13]  * pleia2 nods
[02:14]  * nigel_nb_ just noticed something great :)
[02:14] <nigel_nb_> I've finished 5/9 sections so far
[02:14] <pleia2> you rock :)
[02:16]  * nigel_nb_ blushes
=== nigel_nb is now known as nigel_nb_
=== nigel_nb_ is now known as nigel_nb
[02:30] <nigel_nb> pleia2: if u're still here, I could use some help
[03:49] <BiosElement> heh, I love how "William Chambers doesn't use Launchpad" and yet my branches are still listed :P Gotta love half working systems. >.>
[03:49] <cprofitt> hey BiosElement long time no see dude...
[03:49] <BiosElement> Heya cprofitt
[03:49] <BiosElement> Aye, it's been ages. ^_^
[03:50] <cprofitt> you going to have some free time in Mid-December to do some asciidoc with me?
[03:50] <BiosElement> Speaking of AsciiDoc, I've got to figureout what's up with that. >.>
[13:00] <pleia2> doctormo!
[13:01] <pleia2> we need to talk about asciidoc soon :)
[13:12] <doctormo> Hey pleia2, we do indeed
[13:12] <doctormo> nigel is the obviouslly best persont o ask about writing, after myself.
[13:13] <doctormo> And I wanted BiosElement to get busy with the scripts for building the resulting documents
[13:13] <doctormo> But so far, no work has been done.
[13:13] <pleia2> I spoke with bioselement last night, he said it was in your court
[13:13] <doctormo> It is not
[13:13] <pleia2> I am not interested in scripts at this point, I want raw "how to do stuff"
[13:14] <pleia2> waiting for scripts is killing us
[13:14] <doctormo> Sure
[13:14] <pleia2> *I* don't even know how this all works :)
[13:14] <doctormo> Not these, these aren't important for writing
[13:14] <pleia2> bios was concerned that we don't have asciidoc structure yet
[13:14] <pleia2> so for writing we still just use odt?
[13:14] <doctormo> They're just build scripts, and it's with BiosElement, i'm waiting on him to get those into some order. But enough of that.
[13:15] <pleia2> ok, maybe you should touch base with him?
[13:15] <doctormo> I think Bios isn't accepting the structure that's there already. He wants to keep reinventing it.
[13:15] <doctormo> So it seems I need to.
[13:15] <pleia2> I thought the structure was too complicated?
[13:15] <pleia2> he wanted a simpler one
[13:15] <doctormo> It's not possible.
[13:16] <pleia2> ok - so we did decide upon a structure?
[13:16] <doctormo> Aye, that would be good.
[13:16] <pleia2> if we could get that documented it'd be great, a "this stuff goes here, this file is for this...."
[13:16] <pleia2> maybe with pretty pictures :)
[13:17] <doctormo> Yes, sorry for being absent, it's been busy with me visiting the UK, lots of family and such that need attention.
[13:19] <pleia2> no problem :)
[13:19] <pleia2> I just wanted to get some of this sorted before our meeting
[13:45] <doctormo_> huh my computer cut out
[13:45] <doctormo_> pleia2: if you responded I didn't get it
[13:45] <pleia2> all I said was that I wanted to try and get the asciidoc stuff on track before our meeting
[13:45] <pleia2> so we don't waste time and stall more saying "we need to do this stuff"
[13:46] <doctormo_> pleia2: The problem is that we have say 100 units of work to do, and a capacity to only do about 10 units per week, unless people can be convinced to do more work, there isn't much choice.
[13:48] <pleia2> so should we be telling people to write things in odt until we can sort out the asciidoc situation?
[13:49] <pleia2> I'd help if I could, but I don't even understand the asciidoc format
[13:50] <doctormo_> pleia2: We should be already (I thought that's what we were doing)
[13:50] <doctormo_> pleia2: But don't forget, there is as much structure in odt as there is in anything
[13:50] <pleia2> asciidoc has book directories and things that are confusing
[13:50] <doctormo_> The problems I can see is how much we'll have to rewrite because we don't have odt templates.
[13:51] <pleia2> I don't really understand how it works, or how to create things out of it
[13:51] <doctormo_> pleia2: asciidoc it's self is fairly direct, you create a text file, you run a command on it, it creates a pdf.
[13:52] <pleia2> ok, I'll have to look at it again, I thought there were more directories and files than that
[13:53] <doctormo_> pleia2: There are, but that's not ascii doc's fault, that's mine.
=== doctormo_ is now known as doctormo
[13:55] <pleia2> hmm
[13:57] <pleia2> alright, I'll take a look later http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-learning-board/ubuntu-learning-materials/trunk2/files/head:/maintain/commandline-basics/ is a good example?
[13:57] <pleia2> this does seem reasonable
[13:57] <pleia2> I think I was confused by earlier versions
[14:00] <pleia2> do we have a document explaining the structure yet? If this is a good example I can write one for my own benefit, show it to you and you can confirm it's correct?
[14:03] <pleia2> sorry for being such a pain :)
[14:40] <nigel_nb> doctormo: ping
[14:41] <nigel_nb> pleia2: up yet?
[14:41] <pleia2> nigel_nb: yeah, but busy morning at work
[14:41] <nigel_nb> oh
[14:41] <pleia2> if you want me to review something just give me a link and I'll get to it when I have some time :)
[14:41] <nigel_nb> just wanted to let you know, I've pushed up to revision 12
[14:41] <nigel_nb> here's the branch https://code.launchpad.net/~nigelbabu/ubuntu-learning-materials/bazaar-introduction
[14:42] <nigel_nb> can u just do a review when you get time and ping/mail me?
[14:43] <pleia2> sure
[14:43] <pleia2> do you want technical testing too?
[14:43] <nigel_nb> thanks :)
[14:43] <nigel_nb> not really, I doubt if u can test it, since its not complete
[14:43] <nigel_nb> but, do let me know if the format gives you trouble
[14:43] <pleia2> ok :)
[14:44] <pleia2> thanks nigel_nb
[14:44] <nigel_nb> thanks to you too pleia2 :)
[14:44] <nigel_nb> hope you're doing better today
[14:44] <pleia2> thanks, I think I am a bit
[14:44] <nigel_nb> great :)
[15:07] <doctormo> nigel_nb: pong
[15:07] <nigel_nb> doctormo: oh great :)
[15:07] <nigel_nb> just wanted to tell I you I pushed to rev 12
[15:07] <nigel_nb> just 3 more sections to go
[15:08] <pleia2> \o/
[15:08] <doctormo> pleia2: Reviewing nigel_nb's branch will also give you a good example
[15:08] <pleia2> doctormo: ok, great
[15:08] <pleia2> thanks :)
[15:08] <ZachK_> hey pleia2
[15:08] <pleia2> I'll try to have this done by our meeting time on sunday
[15:08] <pleia2> hey ZachK_ :)
[15:08] <nigel_nb> doctormo: doing okay?
[15:09] <ZachK_> pleia2: any assistance give I can?
[15:09] <pleia2> ZachK_: same as before, you can link up to good existing documentation in the wiki
[15:09] <ZachK_> cool
[15:12] <doctormo> nigel_nb: One second
[15:12] <nigel_nb> okay
[15:14] <doctormo> nigel_nb: It looks great, I like the ssh key description
[15:15] <nigel_nb> doctormo: talsemgeest helped me with that one
[15:15] <nigel_nb> took a lot of trouble formatting it properly
[15:22] <doctormo> nigel_nb: I see, double cudos for getting help when required.
[15:23] <nigel_nb> well, lyz (I dont wanna ping her) went to bed coz she was sick, so had to find someone :P
[15:34] <nigel_nb> doctormo: I'm off to work then, catch you on meeting day
[15:34] <nigel_nb> or 2morrow
[15:57] <FFEMTcJ> mornin
[16:10] <doctormo> hey FFEMTcJ
[16:11] <FFEMTcJ> whats up doc?
[16:11] <FFEMTcJ> not that you have EVER heard that before
[16:11] <doctormo> FFEMTcJ: No never ;-)
[16:12] <nigel_nb> FFEMTcJ: he probably hasn't seen bugs bunny :P
[16:12] <nigel_nb> doctormo: have you?
[16:12] <FFEMTcJ> hehe
[16:13] <doctormo> nigel_nb: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUYZYJ7XueI
[16:14] <nigel_nb> reminds me of the good old days
[16:14] <nigel_nb> when i was 6 and all I did was cartoon network
[16:14] <nigel_nb> aw, the music itself its nostalgic
[16:15] <doctormo> Oh Mur-dur!
[16:26] <FFEMTcJ> 29
[16:26] <FFEMTcJ> uggh
[16:26] <FFEMTcJ> 29
[16:26] <FFEMTcJ> wtf
[16:26]  * pleia2 offers FFEMTcJ a handful of /s, and the swear jar
[16:27] <FFEMTcJ> ty
[16:27] <FFEMTcJ> after 3 years, still not used to the lappy keyboard
[16:27] <FFEMTcJ> lol
[17:07] <ZachK_> wb ubuntulog
[21:20] <doctormo> hey BiosElement, we should talk
[21:20] <BiosElement> Hey doctormo, what's up?
[21:22] <mhall119|work> sounds serious
[21:24] <doctormo> hey mhall119|worknot really, just clarifying what structures are being promoted and taught.'
[21:25] <mhall119|work> okay
[21:25] <mhall119|work> cause that's how you start the "grandma died" conversation
[21:27] <doctormo> mhall119|work: we should talk
[21:27] <doctormo> mhall119|work: didyou know that peanuts are really beans?
[21:29] <mhall119|work> they're legumes
[21:30] <doctormo> Same thing
[21:30] <mhall119|work> legumes are the parent class of both beans and peanuts, according to wikipedia
[21:31] <mhall119|work> and wikipedia is never wrong
[21:31] <mhall119|work> at least, that's what I read on wikipedia
[21:31]  * mhall119|work just had the best idea for spam chain email
[21:32] <mhall119|work> I'm going to start an email rumor that going to snopes.com will infect your computer with a virus.
[21:32] <mhall119|work> who are you going to use to check if that's true or rumor?
[21:32] <_marx_> beautiful