2009/12/08/#xubuntu.txt

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[00:24] <firefly2> my desktop lost its panels (taskbar) after a crash, when I try "applications-settings-panel" (right-mouse-click on desktop) nothing starts up (all ok as a different user) | is there a way to just reset the desktop to the default? thx
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[07:23] <Ongacska> Ola bruderz
[07:24] <Ongacska> Willkommt auz Wunderland
[07:24] <Ongacska> TheSheep bruder Ola
[07:24] <Ongacska> Sysi bruder Ola
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[07:57] <jove> hello everyone, I have mp3 files at the local and want to burn them into WAV audio for CD, what program of the new Ubuntu 9.10 should be using ?
[08:33] <Balsaq> good morning
[08:35] <Balsaq> i printed a 66 page guide off the internet, "ubuntu user guide", do you thin it will help? i will read every page.
[08:35] <Balsaq> thin=think*
[08:36] <_Pete__> does it have: internet is evil, internet is evil... ?
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[08:36] <Balsaq> no just days xubuntu xubuntu desktop guide
[08:36] <Balsaq> i will get the other one too if it is good
[08:37] <_Pete_> if it doesnt have those its not good
[08:37] <_Pete_> thats all you need to know about internet
[08:37] <Balsaq> so it has to say.....internet evil?
[08:38] <Balsaq> bizarre?
[08:38] <_Pete_> right
[08:38] <Balsaq> internet evil?
[08:38] <Balsaq> what does that have to do with xubuntu?
[08:38] <Balsaq> whatever i will get it
[08:38] <_Pete_> it connects to internet so that's evil too
[08:39] <_Pete_> notice the sarcasm here :)
[08:39] <Balsaq> hmmm....no matter what i will know everything about xubuntu
[08:40] <Balsaq> people at work are having me "fix" thier computers....almost daily now
[08:40] <_Pete_> where do you work?
[08:40] <Balsaq> for a government engineering firm....
[08:41] <_Pete_> ok
[08:41] <_Pete_> doesnt they have it-support?
[08:41] <_Pete_> or you are it?
[08:41] <Balsaq> i am not it...
[08:41] <Balsaq> i protect it
[08:42] <Balsaq> we have it
[08:42] <Balsaq> now i want to transfer to IT
[08:42] <Balsaq> now that i see buntu
[08:43] <Balsaq> i just burned 910 for another guy at work ...just now
[08:43] <Balsaq> tommorow another will se the benefit of buntu
[08:43] <Balsaq> i do it for free
[08:43] <Sysi> i don't recommend karmic to people anymore
[08:43] <Balsaq> even but the disks for them, and burn them
[08:44] <Sysi> it's too problemfull :(
[08:44] <Balsaq> i give then ubuntu or xubuntu every time
[08:44] <Balsaq> xubuntu is my favorite but ubuntu is cool...can't run from ubuntu
[08:45] <Balsaq> kubuntu is ok but they recentyl got wierd
[08:45] <Balsaq> that plasma thing is....i dunno what that is
[08:45] <_Pete_> I think this 9.10 is quite unstable
[08:46] <_Pete_> with recent kernels had got many kernel panics
[08:46] <Balsaq> but i must say pclinuxos is nice
[08:46] <_Pete_> if you want stable, use debian
[08:46] <Balsaq> well ihave been letting them use my 810, and telling them to halt at 904
[08:46] <Balsaq> until i fully test 910
[08:47] <Balsaq> but i must 910 looks pretty dadgum goog t oo
[08:47] <Balsaq> good*
[08:47] <_Pete_> wouldn care a shit what it looks
[08:47] <_Pete_> but if it WORKS matters
[08:47] <Balsaq> i mean it is strong, contrary to what they are saying
[08:48] <Balsaq> batter than what they say , those ubuntu people are damn good
[08:48] <_Pete_> who say so?
[08:48] <Balsaq> i have been burning and testing a lot of em for a month or so
[08:50] <Balsaq> some say 901 has a lot of bugs...haven't seen a lot of bugs yet
[08:50] <Balsaq> 910 i mean
[08:51] <_Pete_> I have
[08:51] <_Pete_> one being trying to boot 2.6.31-15 kernel = instant crash
[08:52] <Balsaq> rock solid....but then again, i am nowhere near an expert.....yet
[08:54] <_Pete_> only rock solid linux here is dreambox
[08:54] <_Pete_> ubuntu keeps crashing
[08:54] <_Pete_> :(
[08:54] <Balsaq> ?
[08:54] <Balsaq> never for me.
[08:54] <Balsaq> one girl gave me her computer...
[08:55] <Balsaq> loaded with windows home and virus
[08:55] <Balsaq> it would turn on...but nothing else worked...even the power off was useless
[08:55] <Balsaq> i installed ubuntu
[08:55] <_Pete_> root@dm600pvr:~> uptime 10:55:22 up 274 days, 22:24, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[08:55] <Balsaq> she can't believe what happened
[08:56] <_Pete_> this is the dreambox
[08:56] <_Pete_> almost one year uptime
[08:56] <Balsaq> even though her entire computer was gummed up with hair, dirt and nicotene...somehow i got ubuntu in it
[08:56] <_Pete_> http://www.dreambox.org.uk/dreambox-600pvr.html
[08:56] <_Pete_> this one
[08:57] <Balsaq> so i cleaned all the dirt out and with ubuntu she is soooo happy
[08:57] <_Pete_> work very nicely
[08:57] <Balsaq> unreal
[08:57] <Balsaq> they think i am a tech?
[08:58] <Balsaq> yes it works very well...she says better than xp home...when she got it new
[08:58] <Balsaq> now whr dad wants buntu...i just burnt him a disk...just now for when i go in to work tommorow
[09:01] <Balsaq> Pete if ubuntu crashes...it must be some od reason...like maybe you use 32bit on your 64 bit machine?
[09:01] <_Pete_> no I dont
[09:01] <_Pete_> I use 64bit on 64bit machine
[09:02] <Balsaq> i still think 64 bit is not where it should be,,,has some issues
[09:02] <Balsaq> 32 is still best
[09:02] <_Pete_> its not
[09:02] <_Pete_> http://quadcore.homeunix.net/phpsysinfo/index.php?disp=dynamic
[09:02] <_Pete_> this is my machine
[09:02] <Sahkolihaa> I prefer 32-bit since I only have 2GiB RAM and I have software that doesn't run correctly under 64-bit.
[09:03] <_Pete_> which software is that?
[09:03] <Balsaq> Pete i bought a new quad core...with 6g ram, it crashe on the 12th day-i got rid of it
[09:03] <Sysi> i hate those SYSInfoes :P
[09:03] <Balsaq> i had the best computer in town...it bit the dust in 12 days
[09:03] <Sahkolihaa> Second Life has no 64-bit version. :P
[09:03] <_Pete_> Sysi: me too, unless it's my new i7
[09:03] <_Pete_> Sahkolihaa: 32-bit progs should work fine in 64bit systems
[09:04] <Balsaq> i don't know why but 32 bit is still #1
[09:04] <_Pete_> Balsaq: it's not
[09:04] <Sahkolihaa> _Pete_: Not when the software requires a 32-bit gstreamer to allow streaming media.
[09:04] <Sahkolihaa> Um, it is.
[09:04] <_Pete_> if your cpu supports 64bit instruction set
[09:04] <Sahkolihaa> More people download the 32-bit ISO.
[09:04] <_Pete_> just wasting resources not to use them
[09:04] <Balsaq> i know 64 can download bigeer files...but it is weak
[09:05] <Sahkolihaa> _Pete_: 64-bit is pointless unless you've got more than 4GiB RAM.
[09:05] <_Pete_> Sahkolihaa: it's not
[09:05] <_Pete_> as said
[09:05] <Balsaq> pete had 8g
[09:05] <Balsaq> but still 64 is still weak for some reason
[09:05] <_Pete_> 64bit programs are much faster
[09:05] <Sahkolihaa> 64-bit only helps -some- processing. Generally, I see no speed increase over my system when using 64-bit over 32-bit.
[09:06] <_Pete_> especially in calculation things
[09:06] <Balsaq> yes faster but the are flimsy
[09:06] <_Pete_> I have run 64bit years now
[09:06] <_Pete_> and there's no any probs
[09:06] <Balsaq> it is good but they lock up
[09:06] <_Pete_> and there shouldnt be
[09:08] <Balsaq> i want a 64  but they they are not refined yet...can't believe it takes the engineers this long
[09:08] <_Pete_> Balsaq: you have any proof of what you are saying? that is kind of hard statement
[09:09] <_Pete_> how do you think linux is in most top500 supercomputers if what you say is true
[09:09] <Balsaq> if you saw my new 64 bit quad...if youm saw what happened, you would agree
[09:09] <Sysi> i'll install 64bit next, just need to decide what distribution
[09:09] <Sysi> our school server runs 64bit as many others, no any problems
[09:10] <_Pete_> personally I have used linux on computers with >30 cores & >60G memory
[09:10] <_Pete_> works very fine
[09:10] <_Pete_> fact that ubuntu doesnt
[09:10] <_Pete_> doesnt anyhow prevent that
[09:10] <Balsaq> i know they are good commercially, but on the normal retail level they are still weak
[09:10] <_Pete_> Balsaq: they?
[09:11] <Balsaq> 64's
[09:11] <_Pete_> they arent
[09:11] <Balsaq> the ones they sell to cnsumers are weak
[09:11] <Sysi> because YUO had problems?
[09:11] <Sysi> *YOU
[09:11] <Balsaq> well iam not the only one
[09:11] <_Pete_> Balsaq: but how can you judge the problems are from 64bit or from UBUNTU ?
[09:12] <Balsaq> where i live, i am not kidding, the 32 bit xp pro rule
[09:12] <_Pete_> like you can run 64bit debian
[09:12] <_Pete_> or what ever
[09:12] <Sahkolihaa> I don't use it since Second Life doesn't have a 64-bit binary. I'd have to go about trying to install the 32-bit OpenAL and gstreamer libraries for it to fully work.
[09:12] <Balsaq> as i say....in my area the 32 bit xp pro computers rule...
[09:13] <_Pete_> lolz
[09:13] <_Pete_> luckily I am not in your area
[09:13] <Balsaq> it may sound funny but here it isn't even close
[09:13] <Balsaq> and i work in a huge corporation
[09:13] <_Pete_> so?
[09:14] <Balsaq> extremely hight tech
[09:14] <Balsaq> high
[09:14] <Sysi> and?
[09:14] <_Pete_> :D
[09:14] <_Pete_> Balsaq: post your CV
[09:14] <Balsaq> they count on 32 bit pro to this day
[09:14] <Sysi> because 64bit XP sucks
[09:15] <Balsaq> i am just telling you this...not for any reason, isee it literally every day
[09:15] <Balsaq> they love 32 bit xp pro....love it
[09:16] <_Pete_> Balsaq: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/petri-airio/5/960/540
[09:16] <Balsaq> don't get me wrong i have buntu all over my house....but 32 bit xp pro is tough
[09:16] <_Pete_> I do development for linux
[09:16] <_Pete_> so I think I know very well what works and what doesnt
[09:16] <Balsaq> yes Pete i know you are great on the software
[09:16] <_Pete_> what you say doesnt make ANY sense
[09:17] <Balsaq> well we have over 1000 computer wherer i work....just in that one location
[09:17] <_Pete_> so?
[09:17] <Balsaq> i am just saying they love 32 bit xp pro...thats all
[09:18] <_Pete_> lolz
[09:18] <Balsaq> like its their brother or sister
[09:18] <Balsaq> don't shoot the messenger
[09:18] <_Pete_> yes
[09:18] <_Pete_> maybe it's better you to stick with that printed thing
[09:19] <_Pete_> but unless you have something to proof with
[09:19] <_Pete_> better be silent
[09:19] <_Pete_> to not make shame of you anymore
[09:19] <Balsaq> well iunderstand you have the technical knowledge...but i just said what i see everyday
[09:20] <_Pete_> all you have said is 1000 computers and 64bit doesnt work
[09:20] <Balsaq> i didnt say they dont work
[09:20] <_Pete_> which 1. might be true
[09:20] <_Pete_> 2. is not
[09:20] <Balsaq> but 32 seems tougher and more reliable
[09:21] <_Pete_> based on your solid experience?
[09:21] <Balsaq> i don;t want too stop progress, but those who engineer the new stuff need to get their _____ together faster
[09:21] <_Pete_> the one who prints 70pages xubuntu manual?
[09:21] <_Pete_> or the one who has run 64bit years?
[09:21] <Balsaq> yes  i know,,,
[09:22] <_Pete_> :D
[09:22] <Balsaq> hey you got me there...just watching the engineers and all the folks at work
[09:23] <Balsaq> i won't be so far behind soon
[09:24] <_Pete_> behind what?
[09:25] <Balsaq> i admit openly i have not payed much attention to computer until just recently
[09:25] <Balsaq> since i discovered buntu
[09:25] <_Pete_> and still you can make such a claims as above?!
[09:26] <Balsaq> well i said what i see thats all
[09:26] <_Pete_> eight
[09:26] <_Pete_> r
[09:26] <_Pete_> so you think what YOU see is truth?
[09:26] <Balsaq> i admit i may be off
[09:26] <Balsaq> i hope i am off
[09:27] <Balsaq> cause i want the new stuff
[09:27] <Balsaq> and i can buy it
[09:27] <_Pete_> buy this http://maemo.nokia.com/features/
[09:27] <_Pete_> it has some software written by me
[09:27] <Balsaq> but i cant kill all this old stuff ihave here...can't break it if i try
[09:28] <Balsaq> it will boot anyhting
[09:31] <Balsaq> wo i paste it and it say i need to ber an operator to do that
[09:31] <Balsaq> hi Sysi!
[09:32] <Balsaq> i had one too many stolis
[13:24] <_Misio_> Hi... Could someone help me to realize why my firefox refuses to run java applets?
[13:30] <TheSheep> _Misio_: do you have sun-java6-plugin installed?
[13:30] <_Misio_> TheSheep: Hmm... it's a firefox plugin?
[13:31] <TheSheep> it's ubuntu package
[13:31] <Sysi> have you installed restricted-extras?
[13:31] <Sysi> that includes java
[13:32] <_Misio_> TheSheep: I'm taking a look...
[13:32] <_Misio_> Sysi: Java works. The compiler and JRE are installed... just firefox refuses to play applets
[13:33] <Sysi> oh, that kind of case, hum
[13:42] <_Misio_> :s
[13:43] <_Misio_> I've installed OpenJDK
[13:43] <_Misio_> Should I substitute it with the sun version?
[14:03] <_Misio_> openjdk seems to have a browser plugin too
[14:04] <_Misio_> I will try it before install sun-java6 packages
[14:04] <_Misio_> have someone switched to sun-java6 from openjdk?
[14:11] <_Misio_> It seems to work very well... I will keep OpenJDK for now
[14:11] <_Misio_> thank you
[14:53] <cristian_c> hi
[14:54] <cristian_c> I can't play audio cd on my xubuntu
[14:56] <cristian_c> Have you ever tried it?
[15:01] <likemindead> cristian_c,
[15:01] <knome> Dear diary,
[15:01] <likemindead> Install "xubuntu-restricted-extras"
[15:02] <cristian_c> I've already installed
[15:02] <cristian_c> it
[15:02] <likemindead> Strange.
[15:02] <likemindead> Try VLC.
[15:02] <cristian_c> likemindead, does it work to you?
[15:03] <likemindead> Uh...
[15:04] <cristian_c> likemindead, What's your player?
[15:04] <likemindead> I don't know the last time I played a physical CD. LOL.
[15:04] <cristian_c> ok
[15:04] <likemindead> !vlc
[15:04] <ubottu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Listen, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, Exaile, XMMS2 (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine - See also !codecs
[15:04] <cristian_c> I use live usb
[15:05] <cristian_c> I can't install too many packets
[15:07] <knome> cristian_c, which xubuntu version?
[15:08] <cristian_c> jaunty
[15:08] <cristian_c> I can make many tries
[15:09] <cristian_c> I'd like to use totem
[15:10] <cristian_c> It plays one only song
[15:10] <cristian_c> the first song
[15:10] <cristian_c> for all CD's
[15:11] <cristian_c> knome, I dont'know if it happens to you even
[15:12] <cristian_c> I'd like to know if there is a workaround
[15:14] <knome> cristian_c, i remember that's a known bug but can't remember the solution.
[15:15] <cristian_c> I don't know if there's a solution
[15:17] <knome> there is.
[15:17] <cristian_c> really?
[15:18] <cristian_c> :-))))))
[15:18] <knome> yes, but as i said, can't remember the solution right now
[15:18] <knome> and i have to go
[15:18] <knome> cristian_c, probably searching the ubuntuforums.org would give you the answer
[15:18] <cristian_c> thanks for the info
[15:19] <cristian_c> knome, I've not found anything
[15:19] <cristian_c> :(
[15:19] <cristian_c> I've googled
[15:20] <knome> see you later, i truly have to go
[15:21] <cristian_c> bye
[15:21] <cristian_c> :)
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[16:37] <h3x> can anyone help me to install canon lbp-810 driver on xubuntu :(
[16:38] <likemindead> http://ubuntubee.blogspot.com/2008/02/using-canon-lbp-810-lbp-1120-in-ubuntu.html
[17:13] <johnny_> hi in xfce4 which passskey agent i can use for bluetooth
[17:13] <johnny_> ?
[17:16] <johnny_> hi in xfce4 which passskey agent i can use for bluetooth
[17:58] <mthorn_> Got kind of a strange problem with xubuntu. I just did a clean install of 9.10, overwriting my 8.10 install. Whenever I try to run a binary on the command line, I get a message like this: "no such file or directory: ./thunderbird-bin"
[17:59] <mthorn_> my shell is zsh, but I tried using sh as well
[17:59] <mthorn_> I'm in the right directory. I can see the file when I ls, and the perms are right.
[17:59] <mthorn_> any suggestions?
[18:00] <dunix> mthorn_, does it do this if you change your shell?
[18:01] <mthorn_> huh. no, it does not if I actually run chsh
[18:01] <mthorn_> I did try changing to sh and it was still happening
[18:02] <mthorn_> but yeah, actually changing my shell makes the problem go away. Is zsh buggy in 9.10 or something?
[18:02] <dunix> I don't use zsh, nor do I know much about it, but this might be a 'feature' or something that needs to be set in zsh
[18:08] <dunix> I believe there is a whole guide on zsh's website that might give more insite, than I have.
[18:41] <mthorn_> is there a way to set some kind of filter for which notifications are shown? There's far too many from pidgin.
[18:56] <kubanc> hey guys, i cannot set nautilus as default file manager, can someone please help me?
[19:50] <likemindead> Why does the defualt 9.10 login screen still look so shoddy with the default theme? :-\
[19:51] <likemindead> (Bars at the bottom "panel" off color, etc.)
[19:57] <knome> likemindead, no idea. :P
[19:57] <likemindead> I may just install SLiM. It's nice.
[19:57] <ZapSCommin4U> whats up?
[19:58] <likemindead> The Xubuntu 9.10 login screen looking ugly with the default themes--bars at the bottom "panel" off color, etc.
[19:59] <ZapSCommin4U> hah not much to work with huh?
[20:02] <cody-somerville> I think the default GDM theme for Xubuntu looks great
[20:03] <Sysi> not as candy as kdm but not bad
[20:03] <knome> cody-somerville, i think the default gdm theme background sucks
[20:03] <knome> ;)
[20:04] <cody-somerville> knome, then you should have done a better job on it :P
[20:04] <knome> o'rly :P
[20:04] <cody-somerville> if joo say it sucks, 'rly!
[20:04] <knome> hehe
[20:05] <knome> well it doesn't... but it could be better!
[20:05] <likemindead> You don't get any weird, clashing colors at the login screen, cody-somerville?
[20:12] <cody-somerville> likemindead, can you take a screenshot and post it?
[20:13] <likemindead> Hmmm... how would I do that before logging in? Ctrl+F2 to a CLI & use scrot with a delay?
[20:14] <cody-somerville> something like that should work, yes.
[22:15] <zombi-> hey
[22:16] <zombi-> I just installed xubuntu and it's detected my sound card (the controls appear in the mixer), but exaile wont play anything and I can't work out why...
[22:17] <zombi-> The first problem was with restricted codecs, so i installed the restricted extras package
[22:27] <zombi-> No application will play anything
[22:37] <zombi-> meh, back to ubuntu
[23:37] <mthorn> IS there a way to reenable control + alt+ backspace? If not, what's the right command to bind to that key combo using the keyboard shortcuts manager?