2009/12/18/#kubuntu.txt

[00:02] <lordganesh> is clould computing available in kubuntu
[00:03]  * Scunizi thinks clould sounds like a Scottish word
[00:18] <lee___> just installed "kubuntu" for the first time, great work!
[00:18] <lee___> just wanted to say thanks
[00:20] <lee___> asl?
[00:25] <hengha> Fanfare: hi, could u please tell me where to add plasma-desktop again ? thanks, I am in the system-setting
[00:26] <Fanfare> hengha: systemsettings > advanced > autostart
[00:26] <hengha> Fanfare: gotcha, then add program " plasma-desktop" right ?
[00:26] <hengha> the thing is I could not located this cmd in the box
[00:26] <Fanfare> hengha: right
[00:27] <Fanfare> did u run it with <alt>+<f2>?
[00:27] <Fanfare> or in a console?
[00:27] <hengha> alt+f2
[00:27] <hengha> then plasma-desktop , enter, nothing up
[00:27] <Fanfare> and ur desktop appeared?
[00:28] <Fanfare> or still blackß
[00:28] <hengha> nope
[00:28] <hengha> still black
[00:28] <Fanfare> hm, looks like u dont have plasma-desktop installed then!!!
[00:29] <hengha> aptitude search showed me that it is in kdebase-workspace-bin package
[00:30] <Fanfare> sudo apt-get install plasma-desktop ... 9.10 right?
[00:30] <hengha> ya, let me try
[00:30] <hengha> oops, installing...
[00:30] <Fanfare> :-)
[00:31] <hengha> ;-)
[00:31] <hengha> seems like this black screen, super clean desktop
[00:31] <hengha> kill my x and restart it
[00:31] <hengha> brb
[00:32] <Fanfare> :-) so u like it more than bloated plasma desktop?
[00:32] <Fanfare> no need to kill...
[00:32] <Fanfare> simply start plasma-desktop
[00:34] <sithlord48> hey all whats good on the irc today ?
[00:36] <slix> I have a problem with Kubuntu. About 70% of the time, I am unable to boot into it. I get a blinking underscore usually. Sometimes the kubuntu loading bar freezes. I checked my logs; there is no logs from the blinking underscore moments.
[00:37] <sithlord48> do you use a custom video driver?
[00:37] <slix> I use the one that the Hardware Drivers program provided. This issue also happened before I installed the driver, and when I used the LiveCD.
[00:38] <sithlord48> what kind of video card is it ?
[00:38] <slix> An Nividia 260GTX I believe.
[00:40] <hengha> Fanfare: all set, desktop comes back, thanks for your help :D
[00:40] <Fanfare> np
[00:41] <slix> Would a reinstall help? I don't have any data on here..
[00:42] <slix> Then again, the livecd failed too..
[00:42] <slix> I didn't verify the hash and whether the CD was correct. Could that be causing the problem?
[00:42] <sithlord48> that could...
[00:43] <sithlord48> check boot that disk and run the on disk varification
[00:43] <slix> I remember trying that. I got the same blinking underscore. :P
[00:44] <sithlord48> then i would start w/ a new iso.. check the md5 before you burn the cd
[00:44] <slix> Alright.
[00:44] <sithlord48> then again after..
[00:44]  * slix looks up how to do that.
[00:44] <sithlord48> that is the cd...
[00:45] <sithlord48> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3106270.0 more info
[00:46] <slix> Alright, thanks.
[00:46] <sithlord48> np
[00:46] <slix> I'm gonna try out the gnome desktop first. I've only tried KDE.
[00:48] <sithlord48> while your checking out desktops there is also xfce  and lxde to play with
[00:48] <sithlord48> and i am sure more...
[00:49] <slix> Any major differences?
[00:50] <sithlord48> they all have there different takes on the desktop ..
[00:50] <AlexanderSupertr> hey guys
[00:51] <sithlord48> xfce is kinda a scaled down gnome.. , and lxde is another light desktop kinda set up more like kde, there are a bunch more but idk if there in the repos
[00:55] <slix_> Oh wow.
[00:56] <slix_> That is..
[00:56] <slix_> I'm on Gnome.. And.. it's going to be really difficult to choose between kde and gnome..
[00:57] <slix_> That.. that is.. not an easy choice.
[00:58] <slix_> Sorry kubuntu folks! I think I like Gnome better. :D
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[01:28] <slix> D'oh!
[01:28] <slix> System froze when I tried to burn a disk.
[01:28] <slix> Md5sum of the .iso became incorrect after restart :(
[01:50] <lazydragoon> someone know what is the kkubuntu irc program name ?
[01:50] <wotan> quassel
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[02:07] <jamie> How can I switch to the vesa driver?
[02:08] <jamie> Basically, I need to be able to switch to the generic driver because of a program bug and switch back afterwards. Is there a simple way of switching back and forth between them?
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[02:26] <phant0m> anyone know where i might find an openssl install guide pls
[02:28] <tsimpson> phant0m: openssl is pre-installed
[02:28] <phant0m> ok thanks
[02:32] <phant0m> ok thats the same problem i had before when installing openvpn configure: error: OpenSSL Crypto headers not found.
[02:33] <RobbieThe1st>  Question: I have a laptop with a ATI 7500 mobile GPU. glxinfo says that direct rendering:yes, but the server glx vendor is SGI. Do I have the open-source Radeon driver running?
[02:34] <phant0m> tsimpson: can you help me with the error ive stated above pls??
[02:34] <RobbieThe1st> phant0m, what was your error?
[02:34] <rejohn>      GLOBAL KUBUNTU MEETING VIA VOIP:   SUNDAY DECEMBER 20 8P-11P UTC.   At the BerkelyTIP Global All Free SW HW & Culture meeting.  Watch any of 8 talk videos:  http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/talk-videos .  Join the mailing list & say 'hi', & what talks you're interested in:  http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal   VOIP CONNECTION INFO:  http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/remote-attendance  IRC: #berkeleyt
[02:35] <tsimpson> rejohn: please do not spam here
[02:35] <phant0m> the error is above your q
[02:35] <tsimpson> phant0m: you need the headers, which are in libssl-dev
[02:36] <phant0m> sorry im quite the noob and need a little more direction if you will pls
[02:36] <Kage_Jittai> RobbieThe1st: yes you do
[02:36] <tsimpson> phant0m: just install that package
[02:37] <phant0m> right ok ty
[02:37] <RobbieThe1st> Kage_Jittai, Thanks
[02:38] <rejohn> tsimpson: PLEASE do not call a community announcement spam.  Thank you.
[02:39] <tsimpson> rejohn: it's not official, it's nothing to do with kubuntu, unless it's also Ubuntu and KDE (the other channels you spammed) and it's spam
[02:40] <phant0m> brb
[02:42] <rejohn> tsimpson: it IS an official meeting, IS about KUBUNTU, IS about KDE, and IS NOT SPAM.  PLEASE educate youself on what SPAM IS, and IS_NOT_:  Spam is: commercial, & irrelevant.  The BTIP announcement is neither commercial, & is HIGHLY RELEVANT to listeners in this channel.
[02:42] <tsimpson> it is not, now stop
[02:43] <tsimpson> spam == unsolicited messages, usually advertising something
[02:44] <rejohn> tsimpson: PLEASE stop saying untrue things. That announcement IS NOT SPAM.  PLEASE STOP BEING DISRESPECTFUL & ABUSIVE BY MISREPRESENTING the truth.
[02:45] <rejohn> tsimpson: spam is NOT merely "UNSOLICITED".  PLEASE EDUCATE YOURSELF & STOP THAT ABUSE OF THE KUBUNTU COMMUNITY.
[02:48] <BlueX> anyone know how fix grub 2 problems with win 7?
[02:48] <RobbieThe1st> I have a bit of a problem: When running Metacity or Kwin, my screen looks like this - http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/6756/kwinfromcompiz1.png If I run Compiz, everything looks as it should.
[02:51] <RobbieThe1st> Also, despite having the Radeon driver running, and direct rendering enabled, Compiz won't go into Direct Rendering mode. It apparently can't find "texture_from_pixmap".
[02:52] <goppp> hi
[02:52] <goppp> hi how come I don't see anything with wubi installed in c::\ubuntu\disks\boot\grub
[02:54] <RobbieThe1st> um... what>
[02:55] <RobbieThe1st> goppp, what do you mean?
[02:58] <goppp> I mean that folder is empty
[02:58] <goppp> it has no files or config files or nothing
[02:59] <goppp> and i did 9.10 wubi install
[03:09] <RobbieThe1st> Will it boot?
[03:14] <Ms_Hutch> how do i set my keyboard's volume media wheel to amarok?  The volume wheel works for the system volume and internet volume... but amarok is not affected????  I have a Logitech G15 and running Kubuntu 9.10 with KDE 4.3.2 and Amarok 2.2.0
[03:25] <zubin71> hello, id like some help
[03:26] <zubin71> im currently working on 9.10 ubuntu... and as u know it comes with gnome by default
[03:26] <zubin71> i just installed KDE on it.
[03:26] <zubin71> my gnome desk env. detect and connects to the WEP network here
[03:26] <zubin71> but KDE does not
[03:26] <zubin71> please help
[03:27] <JontheEchidna> If all else fails, you can press alt+f2 and run "nm-applet" which will start GNOME's applet
[03:27] <BenPA> can anyone tell me how I can correct the kdesudo "error" when I first startup Kubuntu 9.10 ... should I just uninstall it?
[03:27] <zubin71> oh! maybe i`ll try that... :-)
[03:28] <zubin71> JontheEchidna : thankx a load! :)
[03:28] <JontheEchidna> :)
[03:28] <zubin71> JontheEchidna : i`ll be back to bother you if it dsnt work(hehe... kidding... ;-) )
[03:28] <zubin71> JontheEchidna : bye.... :-)
[03:29] <JontheEchidna> BenPA: the best way to prevent that error is to make sure any applications that asked you for your password have quit before you shut down
[03:29] <JontheEchidna> uninstalling it is a bad idea since several apps need it to work, since they need your password
[03:30] <jamie> How can I load the vesa driver?
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[03:33] <BenPA> jontheechidna :  no matter what I do it auto kicks in when I startup everytime
[03:34] <JontheEchidna> BenPA: try "killall kdesudo" before you shut down next. It may be that a kdesudo process is lingering before shutdown
[03:35] <JontheEchidna> then it is saved as part of the session and pops back up when the session is restored on login
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[03:38] <zubin71> hello. i have set <ctrl><alt><direction-key> to move about on my desktop wall in the settings on compiz manager. however, there is no response on trying that out. any ideas?
[03:55] <Guest74986> i'm trying to give rw permissions to my vfat external HD, but i can't seem to view it in fstab
[03:56] <Guest74986> any suggestions please?
[04:01] <Guest74986> I'm fairly new, so I might just be missing something obvious...
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[04:41] <cmojallali> Hello
[04:49] <chriscreasy> i just switched to kde, and for some reason i can not move my widgets on the panel..
[04:51] <Kadaj> if the widgets are unlocked you should have a weird icon thing to the right of the panel, click that and then some other bar will appear and you can move everything
[04:52] <tsimpson> it's a cashew btw
[04:53] <chriscreasy> yeah they're unlocked, i do go the the panel settings and i get the move mouse cursor and when i move it, it just goes back to the lefthand side
[04:53] <Kadaj> oh you have to add a spacer I think
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[04:54] <chriscreasy> oh
[04:54] <chriscreasy> sweet
[04:54] <chriscreasy> thanks
[04:56] <Philo> I'm trying to uninstall\install Wine but end up getting an error: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:56] <Philo> wine: Depends: wine1.2 but it is not going to be installed
[04:56] <Philo>  E: Broken packages
[04:56] <Philo> Any idea what the issue could be?
[04:58] <cmojallali> does anyone run ubuntu on a 5,3 MacBook Pro?
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[04:58] <cmojallali> I can't get my sound to work
[04:59] <cmojallali> no one?
[05:02] <josh_> hi
[05:02] <geekback> hey
[05:02] <josh_> can u help me out
[05:03] <geekback> sure whats up
[05:05] <josh_> thankz im kinda new to linux k um when i plug in a usb it says
[05:05] <josh_> Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with:
[05:05] <josh_> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1,
[05:05] <josh_>        missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[05:05] <josh_>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[05:05] <FloodBotK2> josh_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:05] <josh_>        dmesg | tail  or so
[05:07] <cmojallali> can anyone help me wih my sound issue
[05:07] <geekback> is it a mem card od a pendrive?
[05:08] <geekback> cmojallali dont ask to ask just ask
[05:10] <Guest28570> can i edit access permissions to a mounted vfat drive?
[05:11] <genii> josh_: FloodBotK2 is a bot
[05:12] <josh_> im having error mounting usb
[05:13] <genii> josh_: Please use the http://paste.ubuntu.com website recommended by the bot to paste the output it gives you when mounting is tried
[05:14] <genii> (and then to tell us the URL so we can view it)
[05:14] <josh_> ok
[05:16] <cmojallali> I just installed Ubuntu yesterday on my new laptop, im using a MacBook Pro 5,3 Unibody and I've tried doing what this website says: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro5-3/Karmic#Sound but it didn't work
[05:17] <cmojallali> I'm getting no sound at all. Maybe it's because i didnt run that as a script i just entered it into the terminal one line at a time
[05:20] <cmojallali> no one?
[05:25] <josh_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/343718/
[05:26] <josh_> thats url
[05:27] <genii> josh_: Hm, sparse. What filesystem is on the drive, or is it formatted at all yet?
[05:28] <josh_> its formatted
[05:29] <genii> josh_: As... ntfs,vfat,hfs,ext...other...?
[05:29] <josh_> um i think FAT32 or FAT
[05:30] <genii> josh_: Please pastebin result of command in Konsole of:  sudo fdisk -l
[05:31] <genii> josh_: When it asks for password, use the one you normally use to login with
[05:32] <josh_> ok i did that
[05:32] <genii> josh_: And the line which contains somewhere in it "sdb1" says ... ?
[05:35] <josh_> start is 1 end is 1021 blocks 3924693 id b system w95 FAT32
[05:37] <genii> josh_: OK. So I would recommend: sudo mkdir /media/sdb1 && sudo mount -t vfat -o rw,users /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1
[05:38] <genii> josh_: Then see if file browser shows anything inside /media/sdb1 directory
[05:38] <josh_> um do i copy and past?
[05:38] <genii> josh_: Sure, everything on the one line after the :
[05:41] <josh_> o sweet that worked.....ok do i have to do that every time i plug in a divice?
[05:43] <genii> josh_: Well, there is a way to make an entry in the /etc/fstab file for this. But if the drive is removable, then "sdb1" won't always be the same drive, etc. so if you go this way recommend to use UUID of the drive in there
[05:44] <josh_> ok
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[05:45] <genii> josh_: If you tell the result of: sudo blkid /dev/sdb1                           then I can tell you the steps to add this if you like
[05:46] <josh_> um ok shure
[05:47] <josh_> sorry im kinda new to linux and it says nothing
[05:48] <genii> Hm. It's conceivable it has no UUID ( but unlikely)
[05:50] <Guest54271> i'm new, does anyone know command line to give all users/groups access to a mounted drive?
[05:50] <josh_> is that bad?  also i cant unmount it and when i take i out the icon stays
[05:51] <genii> josh_: No UUID means can't make an /etc/fstab entry which will always use the same options on the correct disk partition, sorry
[05:51] <crashdata> Guest54271, usermod +G cdrom (user)
[05:52] <josh_> oh i see
[05:52] <crashdata> Guest54271, or you can edit /etc/group
[05:53] <genii> josh_: As for unmount, etc: When we manually mounted, to properly un-mount, should do like (in this particular case): sudo sync && sudo umount /media/sdb1 && sudo eject /dev/sdb
[05:54] <Guest54271> crashdata, the name of my HD is /dev/sdb1, so would the command be sudo usermod +G /dev/sdb1?
[05:55] <crashdata> Guest54271, usermod +G cdrom user
[05:56] <crashdata> the group is called cdrom
[05:56] <crashdata> just add ur user to that group he should have access to the cdrom
[05:56] <crashdata> make sure its cap G
[05:57] <crashdata> after adding that user to the group
[05:57] <crashdata> u have to exit x
[05:57] <genii> crashdata: Incidentally - if you omit the -a (APPEND) to that command, the ONLY group that user will belong to is "cdrom"
[05:57] <Guest54271> i get usermod: no flags given
[05:59] <crashdata> sorry -G
[05:59] <crashdata> usermod -G groupname user
[05:59] <genii> Guest54271: I would not recommend to follow crashdata's advice in this instance
[06:00] <Guest54271> genii: what would you recommend?
[06:01] <genii> Guest54271: eg: the command they give will remove "user" from all groups and make "cdrom" the only group they belong to. As well they omitted the "sudo" which would be neccesary for it to actually work. Additionally, we don't know if your /dev/sdb1 requires someone to be in the cdrom group to be accessible, especially as it might be a hard drive.
[06:02] <crashdata> genii,  no ur not getting it, its Cap G
[06:02] <crashdata> meaning ur adding another gorup
[06:02] <crashdata> not -g
[06:02] <crashdata> -g means initial group
[06:02] <genii> Guest54271: I would recommend to alter the mount options so that regular users can use it
[06:02] <crashdata> capital G means add that user to another group
[06:02] <crashdata> Guest54271, just do sudo -G cdrom user
[06:03] <genii> crashdata: From usermod manpage: a, --append    Add the user to the supplemental group(s). Use only with -G option.
[06:06] <crashdata> http://www.computerhope.com/unix/usermod.htm
[06:06] <crashdata> read it
[06:06] <Guest54271> it is an external HD and not a CDROM drive, does this make a difference in the command
[06:06] <crashdata> yes
[06:08] <genii>     A list of supplementary groups which the user is also a member of. Each group is separated from the next by a comma, with no intervening whitespace. The groups are subject to the same restrictions as the group given with the -g option. If the user is currently a member of a group which is not listed, the user will be removed from the group. This behaviour can be changed via -a option, which appends user to the current supplementary group list. . ...
[06:08] <genii>  Note that this means: Unless with -a, unless all other groups the user already currently belongs to get listed along with the one you wish to add them too, THEY WILL END UP BELONGING SOLELY TO THE ONE YOU NAMED
[06:09] <genii> ( excerpt for -G option  )
[06:12] <Guest54271> does that mean it's not possible to simply add read/write permissions, without removing/affecting my other settings?
[06:13] <crashdata> Guest54271, just do chown /dev/drive user
[06:14] <genii> Guest54271: If I hadn't needed to be in bed to sleep an hour ago I would help you more on this problem. at this time I'm trying to limit what damage could be caused by making your username only belong to one group.
[06:14] <crashdata> genii, well i guess i've added my user before the way i gave it
[06:14] <crashdata> and i never had any complication
[06:14] <crashdata> i guess when i made myself a member of an admin group...which on this case wheel
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[06:19] <balaji> which is the boot configuration file in Kubuntu 9.10?
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[06:24] <hey_boy> I want to change the boot delay. Where do I do it?
[06:36] <genii> For educational purposes: http://pastebin.ca/1719175
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[07:15] <r4v3nsw0rd> I have a hp compaq tc4200, and I just got an external battery for my computer. How do I get kubuntu to detect it?  it isn't showing up in power management
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[07:59] <MendoCino> vesszen a #criticalmass
[07:59] <MendoCino> Happy Hanucah Brothers
[08:00] <MendoCino> Sziasztok dicsoseges testvereim
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[08:04] <MendoCinoVezyr> Let's talking about the foods from penguinz' meat
[08:08] <MendoCinoVezyr> Felck brotha Ola
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[08:18] <e66> Hi, room, How do I set a shortcut for KDE menu? I want to set "Super L" or "Super R" for  KDE Menu??
[08:38] <Mamarok> e66: check the systemsettings -> keyboard & mouse for the shortcuts
[08:39] <Mamarok> e66: you do know that you can also start apps with Alt+F2 and type the name
[08:39] <Mamarok> even approximative names and descriptions should work
[08:42] <michaeljwjr> Hello
[08:43] <hanzz_> make
[08:43] <hanzz_> sry
[08:43] <michaeljwjr> hey hanzz,I downloaded my driver, extrated the tar... how do I install the driver now?
[08:43] <e66> Mamarok: yes, I know Alt+F2. And I always use it. But I saw some people mapped Super L to KDE Menu. So I thought I'd do It. :D
[08:44] <shiran> i have a problem with my firefox. it doesn't save my tabs nor settings when i quit , even if i click on save. can anyone help with this?
[08:44] <michaeljwjr> shiran: Did you check the right box in teh options?
[08:45] <shiran> what box?
[08:45] <re1n7> 'do not ask next time' etc .. ?
[08:46] <shiran> it doesn't even save what i change in the edit > Preferences
[08:46] <shiran> and yes i checked it and it doesn't remember anything
[08:46] <michaeljwjr> Edit - Preferences - Main - When Firefox Starts -
[08:46] <michaeljwjr> Did you change it to say 'Show my tabs from last time'?
[08:47] <shiran> like i said, it doesnt even remember the preferences change
[08:47] <michaeljwjr> Do you click close?
[08:47] <shiran> what close?
[08:48] <michaeljwjr> down bottom right of the menu
[08:48] <michaeljwjr> there is a Close Button
[08:48] <michaeljwjr> Can anyone tell me how to install a driver I've extracted into a directory.
[08:48] <michaeljwjr> I'm still not getting the hang of that.
[09:02] <Mamarok> michaeljwjr: what driver?
[09:02] <michaeljwjr> i figured it out thanks Mamarok
[09:02] <Mamarok> michaeljwjr: since driver come in different shapes :)
[09:09] <r4v3nsw0rd> I have a hp compaq tc4200, and I just got an external battery for my computer. How do I get kubuntu to detect it?  it isn't showing up in power management
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[10:12] <bbm4n> hello can i ask a question about openoffice spreadsheet?
[10:13] <bbm4n> anyone?
[10:17] <ghostcube> bbm4n: isnt there a openoffice channel
[10:17] <ghostcube> ?
[10:17] <ghostcube> #openoffice.org
[10:19] <bbm4n> thanx
[10:31] <GhostXtreme> I am getting a complete ubuntu hang with num and cap lock key flashing .. It happends randomly ... I have ATOM 330 Ubuntu 9.10 machine ... Any ideas  ?
[10:32] <GhostXtreme> i have press power button to get it out
[10:39] <kriss3d> Is there a program for ubuntu like demontools ? a program to mount an ISO file into a virtual cddrive or somthing ?
[10:50] <hanzz_> kriss3d: http://linux.about.com/od/kubuntu_doc/a/kubudg28t07.htm
[10:50] <hanzz_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=821717
[10:50] <kriss3d> hanzz_:  thanks
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[11:05] <roi> hola...
[11:05] <roi> alguien me ayuda¿?
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[11:40] <Benkinooby> hi got a small request... i want to find out about remote desktop, so i shared my desktop with krfb
[11:40] <Benkinooby> is some1 willing to try to connect to my pc?
[11:40] <Benkinooby> just want to find out if everything is configured correctly
[11:41] <cheeko> is ther any linux alternatives for teracopy which increases the speed of copy in windows
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[11:58] <penta> hi anyone alive?
[11:58] <cheeko> penta: i am
[11:59] <Vroomfondle> I've been dead for three weeks
[11:59] <penta> hi cheeko, did you use somewhen xdmcp?
[12:00] <cheeko> i just yup
[12:01] <penta> ok, if you knows, how I can avoid session termination if my local station comes hibernate
[12:05] <Vroomfondle> penta: You can't. The XDMCP session will be terminated automatically.
[12:05] <Vroomfondle> an alternative is to use VNC/FreeNX instead
[12:06] <Vroomfondle> or buy yourself a copy of SunRay Server and a SunRay ;)
[12:06] <penta> Vroomfondle: sunray its comes from soalris
[12:07] <penta> hm, quite sad about xdmcp
[12:07] <Vroomfondle> yes, but works on Linux too.
[12:09] <penta> Vroomfondle and if I did connection kust by Xorg-server it anyway would be terminater if I disconnect?
[12:09] <penta> Just*
[12:09] <Vroomfondle> as far as I know, yes
[12:10] <Vroomfondle> penta: maybe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xmove  ?
[12:10] <Vroomfondle> I've not used it myself.
[12:11] <Vroomfondle> penta: oooh http://code.google.com/p/partiwm/wiki/xpra
[12:11] <Vroomfondle> that looks like it'll do what you want
[12:36] <JuJuBee_> Morning all....  I just upgraded to Karmic yesterday and am having some troubles with sound...  I fired up Juk and it was playing music for a while then the sound just died out...
[12:36] <JuJuBee_> If I quit Juk and restart it, the sound will come back
[12:43] <Zy> side mouse button works in FF and rekonq but not in konq or dolphin
[12:43] <Zy> how do i get it working? thanks
[12:49] <JuJuBee_> Any help on sound? I narrowed it down... If I fast forward through a song to almost the end, the next song no sound, if I do same again next sond has sound... every other song plays fine
[12:52] <Kadaj> JuJuBee_ does it do that with every media player?
[12:53] <sena> JuJuBee_: yeah it sounds more like a player problem
[12:54] <soee> hi
[12:54] <JuJuBee_> Kadaj: not sure.  I can't even get Banshee to play any songs now... just get x next to each one I try to play
[12:55] <JuJuBee_> This all started after upgrading to karmic
[12:57] <Kadaj> the media player you are using probably got an upgrade when you upgraded to karmic and it has some bug which is causing your error
[12:57] <Kadaj> thats my best guess anyways
[12:58] <syrius> I have problem with webcam kubuntu 9.10 ekiga 3.2.6 http://pastebin.ca/raw/1719295
[12:58] <JuJuBee_> What other media player should I try...  It seems strange that banshee will not play any files now...
[12:59] <Kadaj> I use amarok and it works well
[12:59] <JuJuBee_> with karmic?
[12:59] <Kadaj> yeah
[13:00] <JuJuBee_> Amarok won't play either...
[13:00] <JuJuBee_> in fact amarok won't even load now...
[13:01] <JuJuBee_> amarok: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libamaroklib.so.1: undefined symbol: _ZTIN6TagLib3ASF4FileE
[13:02] <JuJuBee_> I had a feeling that upgrading to karmic would cause me nightmares.
[13:02] <JuJuBee_> I can't boot the 2.6.31 kernel as it makes my mouse keep darting to the upper left corner and it becomes useless...
[13:03] <sena> JuJuBee_: have u restarted after the upgrade
[13:05] <sena> JuJuBee_: or do apt-get update and apt-get upgrade then restart and see what is going on
[13:09] <JuJuBee_> yes to both
[13:09] <robsi> hi all. does the knetworkmanager provide a wizard for setting up mobile broadband connections (linke in ubuntu)?
[13:12] <sena> JuJuBee_: see if libamaroklib.so.1 library exists sudo ls -la /usr/lib/ | grep libamaroklib
[13:14] <JuJuBee_> yes, it seems to be a link to libamaroklib.so.1.0.0
[13:16] <JuJuBee_> I wonder if I should just do a clean install of karmic
[13:21] <sena> JuJuBee_: clean install noramlly soves problems when the os resolves correctly your hardware everything is fine
[13:22] <sena> JuJuBee_: do you get the same error from amarok
[13:22] <JuJuBee_> sena: what error?  I cannot load amarok
[13:23] <sena> you said it gives you this error amarok: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libamaroklib.so.1: undefined symbol: _ZTIN6TagLib3ASF4FileE
[13:23] <JuJuBee_> yes
[13:24] <sena> and now it does not load at all?
[13:24] <JuJuBee_> that is correct
[13:24] <JuJuBee_> since the upgrade
[13:25] <sena> ok type amarok in your konsole (terminal) and it should write the errors that cause this
[13:26] <JuJuBee_> that is how I got the error I posted
[13:26] <JuJuBee_> that was the only messgae
[13:26] <JuJuBee_> *message
[13:27] <JuJuBee_> On another note, will I see any significant diffs if  I use 64bit vs. 32 bit?  I have core 2 duo 2.54 with 6G RAM dual 320G 7200RPM drives
[13:28] <sena> JuJuBee_: if you use 32 bit os it will use only 3GB of your RAM
[13:28] <JuJuBee_> I see.  So I should use the 64bit version.
[13:29] <JuJuBee_> Specially since I use virtualbox for a windows app I need
[13:29] <JuJuBee_> Well, I think I will download the Karmic 64BIT CD and reinstall.
[13:30] <JuJuBee_> Just such a pita to reinstall all software and configure everything every 6 months or so...
[13:34] <JuJuBee_> Where can I get the md5 for the iso I am downloading so I can check it after download?
[13:36] <sena-> JuJuBee_: that is why I use the ltd (long term support distributions) i am using hardy 8.04 ltd now
[13:37] <sena-> JuJuBee_: and I test the new ones in VirtulaBox out of curiosity
[13:42] <hyper_ch> hmmm, in kde 4.3.4 I sometimes lose my wifi connection with the network-manager-plasma-widget... and then it won't reconnect at all. How can I restart those network services completely? I tried to turn wifi of and back on with the plasma widget, but that didn't help. It didn't even try to reconnect anymore. The only thing I can do is reboot the computer
[14:01] <JuJuBee_> sena : so you are still using 8.04.... do you get updates like the most recent version of amarok etc... or are you stuck with versions for 8.04?
[14:02] <Vroomfondle> 8.04 only gets security updates and bugfixes
[14:02] <df___> hello
[14:02] <JuJuBee_> hyper_ch: I prefer to use wicd instead of network manager.  I have good luck with it.
[14:02] <sena-> Vroomfondle: exactly
[14:02] <JuJuBee_> Vroomfondle: thanks.
[14:02] <df___> #rus_israel
[14:02] <hyper_ch> JuJuBee_: the problem is that I need concurrent wifi and ethernet on two different networks
[14:02] <hyper_ch> JuJuBee_: and wicd can't do that (yet) :(
[14:02] <df___> join #rusisrael
[14:03] <sena-> JuJuBee_: but everything works like a charm, recently i installed firefox 3.5.6 with lastest flash plaey 10 64 bit
[14:03] <hyper_ch> JuJuBee_: but you're right, wicd is generally better than the network manager
[14:03] <JuJuBee_> Ah, you are correct
[14:04] <erqzor__> my sound stops, whithout a notice, i reboot my system and he didn't come back
[14:05] <erqzor__> but amarok is working great by example
[14:05] <erqzor__> only sound into movie files
[14:06] <hyper_ch> erqzor__: if you want newer amarok (meaning you're not on karmic) then have a look at the Neon project
[14:07] <simo_> hello every body
[14:07] <simo_> how can i configure th ependrive ???????????
[14:07] <erqzor__> lol i'm on karmic
[14:07] <simo_> the pendrive
[14:07] <erqzor__> i hav sound into amarok but not into vlc by example
[14:11] <shadeslayer> shadowhywind: what pendrive/
[14:11] <robsi> hi all. does the knetworkmanager provide a wizard for setting up mobile broadband connections (like in ubuntu)? (sorry for reposting)
[14:12] <shadeslayer> robsi: i dont think so... knetwork manager is still beta and lacks alot of functionality
[14:12] <shadeslayer> robsi: i would suggest you stick to gnomes network manager
[14:12] <robsi> shadeslayer: i see. thanks!
[14:13] <shadeslayer> robsi: no problem
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[14:36] <simo_> hello world !!
[14:37] <Vroomfondle> o/
[14:38] <motown> good evening, for the first time plasma is crashed http://pastebin.org/66394 :(
[15:03] <simo_> helooooooooooooooo
[15:03] <^Lightning^> Can anyone help me with wifi problems?
[15:04] <genii> !anyone
[15:04] <ubottu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
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[15:06] <simo_> how cai i read my pendrive
[15:06] <simo_> ??
[15:06] <shadeslayer> simo_: plug it in,it should show up in dolphin
[15:07] <simo_> no it is not working
[15:07] <shadeslayer> simo_: whats the problem?
[15:07] <simo_> there is any command for read it ?
[15:08] <shadeslayer> simo_: for reading it no... for mounting it yes
[15:08] <simo_> hmm
[15:08] <simo_> for mountong it wich is ?
[15:09] <shadeslayer> simo_: first type : sudo fdisk -l : to determine which drive you want to mount... for pendrives its usually /dev/sdb,check the size to make sure
[15:09] <simo_> then ?
[15:10] <shadeslayer> simo_: then : sudo mkdir /media/pendrive;sudo mount /dev/sdX /media/pendrive
[15:10] <shadeslayer> where X is the letter  like b,c,etc
[15:11] <shadeslayer> simo_: then simply go to /media/pendrive and browse your pendrive
[15:11] <simo_> sudo mkdir /media/pendrive to creat a directory?
[15:11] <simo_> but why ?
[15:11] <shadeslayer> simo_: yepp
[15:11] <shadeslayer> simo_: so that you can mount it
[15:15] <simo_> ahmm ok thanks
[15:15] <simo_> i found other commands mount -t vfat /dev/sda /media
[15:16] <simo_> vfat because has a fat32's type
[15:17] <shadeslayer> simo_: of course.. but theyre not required,all that is autodetected
[15:17] <simo_> YES
[15:18] <genii> simo_: In that command you found, it uses just the directory of "/media"   which is not good. It should be some subdirectory of /media to mount it in
[15:18] <simo_> in the first time whene i had install the system, that was autodetected. but know i find a probleme to mount it
[15:18] <simo_> eazy
[15:22] <Benkinooby> hi there, what vnc servers are u using? krfb takes all the cpu resources once it is in action
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[15:38] <simo_> hello
[15:38] <simo_> the sound dont work in my internet
[15:38] <simo_> to watch widos
[15:38] <simo_> vedios
[15:42] <shadeslayer>  simo_ did you install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:42] <simo_> yes
[15:43] <simo_> i installed it
[15:43] <simo_> but there is not now
[15:43] <simo_> it removed
[15:44] <simo_> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:44] <simo_> [sudo] password for simo:
[15:44] <simo_> Reading package lists... Done
[15:44] <simo_> Building dependency tree
[15:44] <simo_> Reading state information... Done
[15:44] <FloodBotK2> simo_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:44] <simo_> kubuntu-restricted-extras is already the newest version.
[15:49] <simo_> what is this ?? Flood
[15:53] <shadeslayer> simo_: ok and can you hear sound in normal apps?
[15:53] <shadeslayer> simo_: and what browser are you using?
[15:53] <Y0Y0> simo_ multiple lines of text
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[15:54] <simo_> i can hear the sound now
[15:54] <shadeslayer> simo_: ok cool :)
[15:54] <shadeslayer> simo_: anything else we can help you with?
[15:55] <simo_> no im sorry, i wanna said i cant hear the sound
[15:55] <simo_> o my Good my english is bad
[15:55] <simo_> :)
[15:55] <shadeslayer> simo_: ah.. what browser?
[15:55] <simo_> browser?
[15:55] <simo_> what's this ?
[15:56] <shadeslayer> simo_: you mean you have no sound in general?
[15:56] <simo_> yes
[15:56] <shadeslayer> simo_: ok press alt+F2 and type : kmix
[15:57] <shadeslayer> simo_: is there a window open? set all the bars to high in this window
[15:57] <simo_> yes it's oppned a box text
[15:57] <simo_> i wrote kmix
[15:57] <simo_> i cheak it
[15:58] <Gintulis> why konversation 1.2 used cpu core 90%? (kde 4.4b1)
[15:58] <shadeslayer> simo_: press enter and there should be a sound icon in the taskbar... click on it and click mixer
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[16:00] <simo_> i did it
[16:01] <shadeslayer> simo_: ok close the window and try to play somthing
[16:01] <shadeslayer> or type speaker-test in a konsole
[16:01] <erqzor__> my speaker test doesnt work
[16:01] <erqzor__> anymore too :]
[16:01] <erqzor__> xD
[16:01] <shadeslayer> erqzor__: ?
[16:02] <erqzor__> sound has stopped suddenly and never come back (after a reboot too)
[16:02] <simo_> no results
[16:02] <simo_> i can't hear
[16:02] <shadeslayer> simo_: try alsamixer in a konsole and set everything to high
[16:03] <simo_> high ?
[16:03] <simo_> how ?
[16:03] <shadeslayer> !sound | simo_ : eventually try this :
[16:03] <ubottu> simo_ : eventually try this :: If you're having problems with sound see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[16:03] <shadeslayer> simo_: arrow keys
[16:04] <shadeslayer> simo_: tab to change between the channels
[16:04] <simo_> the last tree chanel
[16:04] <simo_> in 0
[16:04] <simo_> i hav to change them ?
[16:05] <shadeslayer> simo_: uh... dont know try the arrow keys,if nothing happens leave it as it is :P
[16:06] <simo_> no way
[16:06] <shadeslayer> simo_: what happened?
[16:07] <simo_> nothings
[16:08] <simo_> im trying to send you a picture
[16:09] <shadeslayer> simo_: sure... www.imagebin.com
[16:09] <shadeslayer> !imagebin | simo_
[16:09] <ubottu> simo_: Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr] button. Want to show us a screenshot of your problem? Upload an image to http://tinyurl.com/imagebin and post a link to it.
[16:10] <simo_> http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/1386/sound.png
[16:11] <shadeslayer> simo_: press tab and go to the [All] view
[16:12] <shadeslayer> simo_: Beep is your PC Beep volume.. up to you to set it
[16:13] <shadeslayer> simo_: and set every thing,[PCM],etc to high by pressing the up arrow key
[16:14] <simo_> i did Beep in 100
[16:15] <shadeslayer> ok
[16:15] <simo_> and PCM too
[16:16] <shadeslayer> simo_: ok,set everything else to high too.... the ones which have the bars..
[16:16] <simo_> now it's workingggggggg
[16:16] <simo_> it's magic haha
[16:17] <shadeslayer> simo_: its logic :D
[16:17] <simo_> :D
[16:17] <simo_> well
[16:17] <simo_> you ave right
[16:18] <shadeslayer> cool... now i better stop IRC'ing or ill fail my test due on tuesday :P
[16:18] <shadeslayer> bye all
[16:25] <bummbino> guys i accedently removd my trash can from dlphin where can i find it
[16:25] <bummbino> pleaase
[16:25] <Kwpolska> bummbino: that things is possible only on The Only Right Operating System /windows/.
[16:26] <bummbino> Kwpolska: i didnt get u
[16:26] <bummbino> i use kubuntu
[16:26] <Kwpolska> bummbino: no deletion is possible on linux.
[16:27] <bummbino> i dint delete the trash i removed it from the dolphin
[16:27] <Kwpolska> click right mouse button below list where-you-have-deleted-it-from
[16:27] <Kwpolska> select new entry
[16:28] <bummbino> then
[16:28] <Vroomfondle> Location is "trash:/"
[16:28] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[16:28] <Kwpolska> first textbox is "Trash", second "trash:/" and icon of trash
[16:28] <snarkster> upon going to getdeb.net and trying to install something Im shown a dialog that says firefox doesnt know how to handle an apt file.. what do i need to be able to use getdeb website?
[16:29] <bummbino> thanks guys
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[16:52] <simo_> FloodBotK1 do you work with php in linux v?
[17:01] <amin_> any arabi in here
[17:05] <amin_> arabi man in here
[17:09]  * genii readies !arabic for amin_'s return
[17:12] <ericG> anyone using eee-control in kubuntu 9.10? whenever i try to install the latest deb from http://danamlund.dk/eee-control/eee-control.html I get an error:  "error creating directory 'data/etc':no such file or directory"
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[17:25] <bakarat> i updated and for some reason hibernate seems to be broken, it says "desktop is locked", then proceeds anyway, but just turns the screen black, at that point i have to manually shut it down
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[17:48] <Philo> What's a good program for resizing partitions in Kubuntu?
[17:48] <phant0m> gparted
[17:49] <phant0m> its an iso you burn to disk and can format resize etc
[17:49] <Philo> Ah
[17:49] <phant0m> change the order of your boot device to cd/dvd and start it before you start the os
[17:50] <Philo> Is it in the operating system already or do I need to download?
[17:50] <phant0m> you download it burn it and run before the os starts up
[17:50] <Philo> Resizing wont hurt any of the data, will it?
[17:50] <phant0m> so  restart is obviously required
[17:51] <phant0m> shoudlnt do if you do it correctly
[17:51] <Philo> My home partition is full and I need to provide it with more space
[17:51] <Philo> Okay, good.
[17:51] <phant0m> wait
[17:51] <phant0m> its full?#
[17:51] <Philo> Yea.
[17:51] <phant0m> do you not have another hd
[17:51] <Philo> Sadly, no.
[17:52] <phant0m> then i suggest you dont do it
[17:52] <Philo> I sort of have to.
[17:52] <phant0m> get another hd and use fstab to integrate it into your current system
[17:52] <phant0m> what are you trying to do
[17:52] <Philo> Is it difficult to resize with it being full?
[17:52] <phant0m> you will lose data
[17:53] <Philo> Basically, I'm trying to set it up to where I can install what I need for Wine applications.
[17:53] <Philo> But using the home directory with such a small partition obviously created issues.
[17:53] <phant0m> size of hd?
[17:53] <Philo> I didn't know it at the time, I just assumed I had a decent amount of memory on the partition.
[17:53] <Philo> 300g or so.
[17:53] <phant0m> k what progs do you have
[17:54] <Philo> Just Wine and the default Kubuntu applications.
[17:54] <Philo> Along with a World of Warcraft without the expansions.
[17:54] <Philo> But that took up the entire partition.
[17:54] <phant0m> well that doesnt take up all that space surley
[17:54] <phant0m> no
[17:54] <phant0m> it doesnt hang on brb
[17:54] <JuJuBee_> What do I install to get gnome desktop along wtih kde?
[17:55] <maco> ubuntu-desktop
[17:55] <Philo> How would I check how much space is left in the home partition?
[17:55] <JuJuBee_> Ah, thats it/  Thanks, I was having a moment.... looking for gnome-desktop
[17:56] <phant0m> maco: the ubuntu system would not take up more than 300gb would it
[17:56] <maco> 300gb? O_O
[17:56] <maco> i dont even have a 300gb hard drive
[17:57] <phant0m> me either
[17:57] <Philo> Well, I don't think it would. I wonder whether the home partition was just incredibly small.
[17:57] <phant0m> Philo if i were you i would check for a worm
[17:58] <joshjtl> hi folks, can i add a repo just for koffice-kde4 ppa instead of for the entire: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu karmic main ?
[17:58] <Philo> It's listing the home folder as 9.4gb
[17:58] <phant0m> Philo: worms on linux are very obscure but some do exist
[17:59] <Philo> But.
[17:59] <Philo> I do have 250gb left
[17:59] <Philo> Just not in the home directory.
[17:59] <Philo> I don't know lol
[17:59] <phant0m> goto applictaions
[17:59] <phant0m> disk usage analyser
[18:00] <phant0m> and check whats using up all that space
[18:00] <phant0m> eg. do you have alot of music or alot of films
[18:00] <phant0m> any you could burn to free it up or?
[18:00] <Philo> I can't find that application.
[18:00] <Philo> No, I just formatted last night.
[18:00] <Philo> So, there's no way the space could be used up.
[18:01] <phant0m> k applications-accesories-disk usage
[18:02] <joshjtl> anyone?
[18:02] <genii> Philo: If all you want for the moment is to be able to put more stuff in your home dir but not have to resize stuff, etc. I'd recommend just bind-mount some dir from the main area into it
[18:02] <Philo> And Wine would recognize that?
[18:03] <Philo> Phantom: I'm not finding that disk usage application.
[18:03] <phant0m> you on kubuntu or gnome
[18:03] <Philo> There isn't an accesories tab and a search for disk usage comes up blank
[18:03] <Philo> Kubuntu.
[18:03] <phant0m> thats why then sorry i assumed gnome because you just installed
[18:04] <joshjtl> ok how about if i rephrase like this: how can I install Koffice 2.1 without otherwise using backports repo?
[18:04] <Philo> genii: How would I do that?
[18:04] <phant0m> sorry joshjtl i cant help you there
[18:06] <Philo> phant0m: Is there not an equivalent application on Kubuntu?
[18:06] <genii> Philo: You can also specify to Wine in the "Configure Wine" to use whatever arbitrary dir you want as for instance, Drive Z:   or such (so long as the user running Wine could read-write there).
[18:06] <genii> Apologies on lag, work
[18:06] <Philo> So, I would need to give it permisssions?
[18:07] <phant0m> im sure there must be but i wouldnt know as i use gnome and havent used kde so far
[18:07] <Philo> Why would resizing it cause data loss?
[18:08] <phant0m> because it removing x amount to free space the space has to come from somewhere
[18:08] <Philo> Yes, but that also occurs whenever you resize a partition to install Linux or some other operating system to dual-boot.
[18:08] <Philo> Right?
[18:09] <phant0m> yes but only if the drive is full
[18:10] <Philo> Oh, I see.
[18:10] <Philo> Well, then.
[18:10] <Philo> If I went ahead and deleted the WoW application and Wine, would that work?
[18:11] <phant0m> probably not as the programs wouldnt pass a large amount of space it would probly be in the mb region and not gb
[18:11] <Philo> WoW was over 4 gigs or so.
[18:12] <Philo> Without being installed.
[18:12] <Philo> It's fairly large.
[18:12] <phant0m> its still not all that much though but it depends how much space you want and need only you can decide that
[18:12] <Philo> I probally need a good 30gb in the directory.
[18:14] <Philo> Maybe I should just format and provide home with a larger partition.
[18:14] <lordganesh> is there any inbuilt task schedular in kubuntu
[18:16] <phant0m> me personally would do a reformat and resize before setup then do wht it is your wanting to do but thats just me though
[18:16] <phant0m> so in this case its your decision
[18:17] <Philo> Yea, I guess I'll have to.
[18:17] <Philo> Thanks for the input.
[18:17] <phant0m> s'ok
[18:17] <phant0m> right im offski
[18:17] <phant0m> laterz
[18:20] <cinex> hi
[18:20] <cinex> Does anyone know how to get around this problem? Erm I have a new digital camera. it doesnt show up in the mount widget window (not a problem) When I mount it it doesn't show up in /dev/disk/by-uuid although it does show up in the other ones (label, id and path) how do I automount it... (it might not always be /dev/sdc1)
[18:21] <guessy> ho
[18:23] <simo_> hello
[18:24] <simo_> php in my kubuntu
[18:24] <simo_> i have a php5 installed
[18:29] <BluesKaj> cinex, what kind of data card does it use , you might try mounting that instead
[18:30] <andrey_> всем привет
[18:30] <cinex> it uses a small sony sd card.
[18:30] <genii> !ru | andrey_
[18:30] <ubottu> andrey_: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[18:30] <cinex> to mount it i just did sudo mount /dev/sdc1 <path>
[18:30] <andrey_> есть кто на русском?
[18:30] <cinex> BluesKaj: and it doesn't fit into my multi card reader
[18:31] <andrey_> help me, pleace
[18:32] <andrey_> Im speak russia
[18:33] <Kolia> !ru |andrey_
[18:33] <ubottu> andrey_: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
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[19:47] <apparle> hello
[19:49]  * raindog is patiently awaiting the amarok 2.2.2 build from the kubuntu beta ppa.
[19:50] <shadeslayer> raindog: bleh... i prefer direct git builds on my PC :P
[19:51] <raindog> shadeslayer: I'm considering building from source tarball currently.
[19:51] <shadeslayer> raindog: meh... get the git one,its pretty awesome and quite stable :)
[19:51] <raindog> shadeslayer: I'll consider that as well.
[19:52] <shadeslayer> raindog: i build rekonq,ktorrent,virtuoso,soprano,amarok all from source or git
[19:52] <raindog> shadeslayer: the newest ktorrent is another I'm going to build as well.
[19:52] <shadeslayer> havent encountered alot of problems
[19:53] <shadeslayer> raindog: yeah i just built it two mins ago :P
[19:53] <raindog> ktorrent from source/git been fairly stable for you?
[19:53] <raindog> ah
[19:53] <shadeslayer> raindog: well ive used it before and it was quite stable,will let you know in an hour or so
[19:53] <shadeslayer> ive just only built and installed it so...
[19:54] <raindog> shadeslayer: Thanks.  That's the one I can't have crashing every hour.  If Amarok does - not so problematic.
[19:55] <shadeslayer> raindog: well its not crashed for the past 10 mins :P
[19:58] <shadeslayer> raindog: btw any idea on how to get udp trackers give me peers?
[19:59] <raindog> shadeslayer: Might you have to port forward for it to work correctly?  I don't know, just a possibility.
[20:00] <shadeslayer> raindog: probably yes
[20:04] <soee> where can i find xorg.conf file ?
[20:04] <maco> *if* you have one: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[20:21] <soee> how can i start some process ? (i need to run razerd)
[20:22] <shadeslayer> soee: alt+F2 > app name/command
[20:22] <soee> ok ill try
[20:22] <shadeslayer> soee: also can be : alt+F2 > konsole > command
[20:56] <lilbattler> hello
[20:56] <ghostcube> hmm anyone on beta 1
[20:56] <soee> not anymore :)
[20:56] <soee> to many problems
[20:57] <ghostcube> works ok so far for me just some little snitches
[20:57] <ghostcube> :D
[20:57] <soee> :o
[20:57] <soee> impossible :D
[20:57] <ghostcube> hmm compiz works
[20:57] <ghostcube> everything lse too
[20:57] <lilbattler> Im so happy just installed linux for the first time
[20:57] <ghostcube> heh
[20:57] <soee> ;)
[20:58] <ghostcube> i dont use phonon in general
[20:58] <ghostcube> so my sound worked with javkd like before
[20:58] <ghostcube> *c
[20:58] <ghostcube> ;)
[20:58] <ghostcube> lilbattler, any probs so far :)
[20:59] <lilbattler> nope not really just konquer
[20:59] <ghostcube> use dolphin
[20:59] <lilbattler> konquer has issues with flash
[20:59] <ghostcube> ah browser :)
[20:59] <soee> what issues
[20:59] <soee> ?
[20:59] <ghostcube> maybe install firefox , many like this cause they know it
[21:00] <lilbattler> accepting adobe flash player
[21:00] <soee> accepting ?
[21:00] <lilbattler> yeah i went ahead and installed firefox
[21:00] <soee> ghostcube: u dont have any problmes with plazma ?
[21:01] <ghostcube> not so far
[21:01] <ghostcube> it crashed one time
[21:01] <lilbattler> im new to linux so i have no clue what plazma is
[21:01] <ghostcube> lilbattler, heh no prob :)
[21:01] <lilbattler> what is plazma
[21:01] <ghostcube> not needed to know if you dont have trouble with
[21:01] <soee> when i installed 4.4 i had problems with plaza like 2/min :D
[21:02] <ghostcube> lilbattler, ehm the surface you look at
[21:02] <ghostcube> the panel the desktop
[21:02] <ghostcube> that is plasma
[21:02] <lilbattler> ohh like user interface?
[21:02] <lilbattler> ehh its a little bit bulky
[21:02] <ghostcube> soee, maybe cause i have all repos opened and iam on Qt 4.6 too
[21:03] <soee> hmm, i donkt know :/
[21:03] <soee> ghostcube: u are on 10.04 alpha ?
[21:03] <lilbattler> what should i do with kubuntu next?
[21:03] <ghostcube> what grafic card soee
[21:03] <ghostcube> nope karmic
[21:03] <ghostcube> but a bit tuned
[21:03] <ghostcube> :D
[21:03] <FloodBotK3> ghostcube: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:03] <ghostcube> i knrew it
[21:04] <soee> ah so do i, gf 8800 gt, wotks fine on 4.3.4 with 190.x drivers
[21:04] <ghostcube> i still have the 185 ones
[21:04] <ghostcube> on gf 8600 gt
[21:04] <Scunizi> 190's are much faster on my system
[21:04] <ghostcube> hmmm
[21:04] <Scunizi> and I'm using 8200 chipset
[21:04] <ghostcube> are they in the repo ?
[21:05] <Scunizi> nope
[21:05] <ghostcube> ppa ?
[21:05] <Scunizi> nope.. you have to get them from nvidia..
[21:06] <soee> ghostcube: add http://ppa.launchpad.net/nvidia-vdpau/ppa/ubuntu to ur sources list
[21:06] <ghostcube> https://launchpad.net/~nvidia-vdpau/+archive/ppa/+packages
[21:06] <ghostcube> ;)
[21:06] <Scunizi> ghostcube: keep in mind .. if you install their binary driver you'll have to reinstall it with each kernel upgrade..
[21:06] <Scunizi> vdpau I don't think is the same.. isn't that the opensource driver?
[21:06] <ghostcube> Scunizi, no
[21:07] <ghostcube> noveau
[21:07] <ghostcube> is opensource
[21:07] <Scunizi> ah
[21:07] <shadeslayer> ghostcube: btw if you have kde 4.4,is nepomuk working?
[21:08] <soee> shadeslayer: so u re on 4.4 to ?
[21:08] <shadeslayer> soee: yep
[21:09] <soee> shadeslayer: and do u have any problems (except nepomuk)?
[21:09] <ghostcube> shadeslayer, afaik it cant work
[21:09] <shadeslayer> soee: nope... its a bit crashy
[21:09] <shadeslayer> ghostcube: i tried for 2 hours,installed virtuoso by compiling and recompilied soprano,still no luck :P
[21:09] <gkffcsk> Hey all, is there a way to remove a host key from my ~/.ssh/known_hosts file without deleting the whole file?
[21:10] <Scunizi> gkffcsk: can't you edit it?
[21:10] <gkffcsk> It's in binary...
[21:11] <shadeslayer> btw which is better on a 8600M GT, 185.x or 190.x ?
[21:11] <shadeslayer> (nvidia drivers i mean)
[21:11] <Scunizi> gkffcsk: not sure of the tools in kde but isn't there a keyring manager?
[21:11] <Scunizi> shadeslayer: 190+
[21:11] <gkffcsk> ssh is independent of kde or gnome.
[21:12] <shadeslayer> Scunizi: hmm... ok ill install them then via the PPA link just posted above
[21:12] <Scunizi> shadeslayer: worth a shot.. 185 was always a little on the slow side for me.
[21:13] <Scunizi> shadeslayer: you might also install dkms from the repos.. might help with kernel upgrades
[21:13] <shadeslayer> Scunizi: what about heat issues?
[21:13] <Scunizi> haven't seen any
[21:13] <Scunizi> shadeslayer: but I'm running it on a desktop
[21:14] <shadeslayer> Scunizi: hmm.. i have a laptop
[21:14] <Scunizi> shadeslayer: you can always revert back
[21:14] <shadeslayer> Scunizi: of course :),which one 190 or 195?
[21:14] <Scunizi> 195
[21:14] <shadeslayer> ok thanks :D
[21:15] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, check out whether the 195 may be a better fit for your card
[21:15] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: how,is there some page or something i can view?
[21:16] <shadeslayer> or just by installing it
[21:16] <Scunizi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDPAU
[21:16] <BluesKaj> check the forums , and the package manager , to se if it's listed
[21:17] <soee> did anyone fo you upgraded from 4.3.4 to 4.4 ?
[21:18] <shadeslayer> soee: many actually :)
[21:18] <shadeslayer> oh force us?
[21:18] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: yeah im googling
[21:18] <Scunizi> shadeslayer: also check out http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_190.53.html
[21:18] <ghostcube> soee, i did upgrade
[21:18] <ghostcube> was a bit tricky
[21:19] <Scunizi> shadeslayer: it lists a lot of the 8 series cards
[21:19] <soee> i want to know if u are using 2 panels and did u have any problmes with them ater upgrade
[21:19] <soee> like one was lost etc
[21:19] <ghostcube> nope
[21:19] <ghostcube> iam on twinview
[21:19] <shadeslayer> nope...
[21:19] <ghostcube> and worked perfect before and after upgrade
[21:19] <ghostcube> so testing new drivers
[21:20] <ghostcube> brb
[21:20] <Scunizi> shadeslayer: looks like the 195 might not be "certified" yet.. but the 190.53 is
[21:21] <shadeslayer> Scunizi: oh im a "break and learn" kind of person :P
[21:21] <Scunizi> :)
[21:21] <shadeslayer> Scunizi: ive compiled 5-6 apps for use on my main system
[21:22] <Scunizi> adventurous
[21:22] <shadeslayer> Scunizi: yeah,i plan to compile the whole of KDE sometime in jan or feb
[21:22] <soee> what qt version using 9.10 ?
[21:23] <shadeslayer> soee: depends on your activated PPA's
[21:23] <shadeslayer> soee: default is 4.5
[21:23] <soee> so ghostcube mensiond taht he has 4.6, is it good idea to upgrade  ?
[21:24] <ghostcube> no
[21:24] <shadeslayer> soee: yeah 4.4 is pretty good... easy on the eyes and stuff
[21:24] <ghostcube> depends on the tools you need
[21:24] <shadeslayer> hehe...
[21:25] <soee> aht ver. 10.04 uses ?
[21:25] <soee> *what
[21:25] <ghostcube> brb
[21:25] <shadeslayer> soee: depends more on whether you can dedicate 15-20 mins everyday on keeping your system alive :P
[21:25] <soee> ;o
[21:25] <soee> so i stay with current :)
[21:26] <shadeslayer> soee: well thats a bit of a overstatement,its a bit less than 15-20 mins ;)
[21:28] <shadeslayer> soee: if you need a machine which doesnt break at all use kde 4.3.4 and the latest official repos.... thats it
[21:28] <soee> yeah im doing it right now and works fine all the time :)
[21:29] <shadeslayer> soee: if you want alot of new features and toys then 4.4 is good :)
[21:29] <soee> hey do u know maybe if i can do this:
[21:29] <shadeslayer> 4.3.4 was pretty much a rock
[21:29] <shadeslayer> soee: do what?
[21:30] <soee> i have 4 desktops, can i assign some programs to each one, i mean. i want to run program and he shuld appear on desktop 4 by default
[21:30] <shadeslayer> soee: by default i dont know,but when its running you can assign it a desktop
[21:31] <soee> well programs are opening on the desktop witch is currently in use
[21:31] <shadeslayer> soee: yep
[21:33] <shadeslayer> TuxPurple: hey :)
[21:34] <raindog> shadeslayer: Did you compile ktorrent 3.3 or 4.0b1?
[21:34] <raindog> so far git version of Amarok working just fine.
[21:34] <shadeslayer> raindog: compiled svn checkout
[21:35] <TuxPurple> hi shadeslayer
[21:35] <giz> Hey all
[21:35] <raindog> shadeslayer: ah, always bleeding edge I see.  :)
[21:35] <shadeslayer> raindog: yeah it works fine,and idk if it was ktorrent or something but plasma crashed a few times :P
[21:35] <shadeslayer> raindog: but ktorrent never crashed
[21:35] <shadeslayer> TuxPurple: :)
[21:36] <giz> My networkmanager craps out not letting me logon the wireless after boot, I have to manually restart the service.
[21:36] <shadeslayer> giz: wicd ftw
[21:40] <giz> shadeslayer:yeah
[21:40] <giz> anyone have a fix besides dumping it for wicd?
[21:44] <shadeslayer> giz: probably not :P
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[21:45] <Jesse2> Has anyone tried kde 4.4beta1? is it any stable?
[21:45] <Scunizi> Jesse2: #kubuntu has said today that there are crashes occationally
[21:46] <Jesse2> oh, ok
[21:46] <Jesse2> thanks
[21:48] <Bloodyrats> Hi all, I have a question about deleting files......I notice some operating systems delete really fast while others delete really slow(vista)...I'm not quite sure how each operating system deletes, but I get the impression that the fast ones just mark a location to be overwritten while other operating systems actually go thru each byte to set it all to 0...is this somewhat true?
[21:49] <shadeslayer> Bloodyrats: yes... though each operation might be different
[21:49] <shadeslayer> brb
[21:51] <Bloodyrats> Ah ok thank you....so it is possible that my os marks locations as allowed-to-be-overwritten? And that the data I think I deleted is still actually there just waiting to be overwritten by anything else I save?
[21:51] <soee> ok im on 4.4 now ond lucky it works somehow :)
[21:54] <Jesse2> ssoee, do you see any improvements?
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[21:57] <Nickoe> I'm trying to install via Live CD, and when I run installer I'm getting KDEinit could not launch /usr/bin/ubiquity
[21:58] <shadeslayer> Scunizi: ok the 195 drivers work... for starters :P
[21:59] <shadeslayer> Nickoe: try : kdesudo ubiquity
[21:59] <Nickoe> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ kdesudo ubiquity
[21:59] <Nickoe> sudo: unable to execute /usr/bin/ubiquity: Input/output error
[22:00] <shadeslayer> Nickoe: did you md5sum the iso and the disk?
[22:00] <Scunizi> shadeslayer: cool
[22:00] <Nickoe> No, do I need to?
[22:00] <shadeslayer> Scunizi: 14639 frames in 5.0 seconds
[22:00] <shadeslayer> Nickoe: yep
[22:00] <Nickoe> Do I need to be on windows for that?
[22:00] <shadeslayer> Scunizi: according to glxgears :P
[22:00] <shadeslayer> Nickoe: nope,just reboot and select the option on the boot menu
[22:01] <Nickoe> Thanks, brb then.
[22:01] <Scunizi> shadeslayer: that's smoking!
[22:01] <shadeslayer> Nickoe: :)
[22:01] <shadeslayer> Scunizi: yeah
[22:01] <shadeslayer> Scunizi: my cards smokin too :P
[22:01] <Scunizi> but the numbers are kind of arbitrary.. try running something graphic intensive
[22:01] <Scunizi> ouch
[22:02] <shadeslayer> Scunizi: on linux? haha... whats graphic intensive
[22:02] <soee> Jesse2: i see some problems forst :D
[22:02] <soee> *first
[22:02] <shadeslayer> Scunizi: any idea why nvidia-185-modaliases is cropping up in my upgrade?
[22:02] <Scunizi> shadeslayer: blender rendering ??
[22:03] <Scunizi> shadeslayer: did you have the repo driver install previously? uninstall it.
[22:03] <shadeslayer> Scunizi: ill have to install blender... non kde app
[22:03] <shadeslayer> Scunizi: ah..
[22:04] <Scunizi> shadeslayer: after that uninstall you might have to go through the install of the new driver again to remedy it.
[22:05] <shadeslayer> Scunizi: i hope its in the cache
[22:06] <shadeslayer> Scunizi: you mean i remove it and reinstall it?
[22:06] <shadeslayer> (the 195 one)
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[22:06] <Scunizi> shadeslayer: remove the 185 and log out and back in.. if the problem is still there then reinstall the 195 driver and see if that fixes it.
[22:07] <shadeslayer> ok i removed it and reinstalled the 195..
[22:07] <shadeslayer> lets see
[22:08] <BluesKaj> Scunizi, shadeslayer, you must shut X down in order to install the nvidia driver and remove the old one first
[22:09] <Scunizi> shadowhywind: I typically uninstall all the nvidia stuff from the repos then install the new one with X shut down like BluesKaj says.. I don't think the latest driver will even let you install unless your at cli with X down
[22:10] <BluesKaj> Scunizi, correct the existing driver will always be the default , even if you use apackage manager to install
[22:10] <BluesKaj> and the existing driver can not be removed if it's running X
[22:11] <Scunizi> too many problems when mixing installed nvida bits from the repo and the binary driver..
[22:11] <BluesKaj> ok , time to head out to our friday night jam ... have fun
[22:11] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: bye
[22:11] <Scunizi> cya
[22:12] <Scunizi> mixed metaphors.. see ya vs. cya
[22:15] <judge> anyone know how to sort desktop icons under kubuntu netbook?
[22:16] <Scunizi> pickup netbook .. shake gently.. put down.. repeat until satisfied
[22:16] <judge> it's a netbook not an etcha sketch
[22:17] <Scunizi> :)  sorry 'bout that .. right mouse click doesn't have any options?
[22:17] <judge> nope
[22:17] <judge> none of the obvious stuff exists
[22:20] <Scunizi> judge: google isn't helping me today..
[22:20] <judge> uncle google nor aunt bing have helped either
[22:21] <judge> :/
[22:21] <shadeslayer> judge: the netbook edition is kinda weird.... i couldnt seem to figure out the desktop containment either
[22:21] <shadeslayer> judge: ha... theyre arch enemies.... :P
[22:21] <judge> i also find it buggy that when i add favorite icons they disappear after a reboot
[22:26] <judge> thanks all
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[22:34] <FloodBotK3> !netsplit
[22:34] <ubottu> netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
[22:35] <Nickoe> Sorry it took me so long
[22:36] <Nickoe> I got the KDEinit when I tried to open IRC, but the installer now opens..
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[22:37] <shadeslayer> Nickoe: nice
[22:37] <Nickoe> But I have other problems now..
[22:37] <shadeslayer> Nickoe: well im just leaving...
[22:37] <Nickoe> IRC has the KDEinit error, and the installer has no automatic partition
[22:38] <Nickoe> Oh..
[22:38] <shadeslayer> Nickoe: there are other people who will help out though..
[22:38] <Nickoe> Any names?
[22:38] <shadeslayer> Nickoe: oh just keep asking,if someone knows theyll answer
[22:38] <Nickoe> Thanks
[22:39] <shadeslayer> Nickoe: btw did you check the DVD?
[22:39] <Nickoe> I ran the integrity check.. no errors
[22:39] <shadeslayer> Nickoe: and what about the ISO?
[22:39] <Nickoe> There was no option for an ISO check..
[22:40] <Nickoe> I'm booting from CD if that makes a difference
[22:40] <shadeslayer> Nickoe: ok open a terminal and type : md5sum /path/to/your/downloaded/iso
[22:40] <shadeslayer> Nickoe: yeah you can run a check from the cd
[22:40] <Nickoe> ISO is on windows :s should I download it on here?
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[22:40] <subito> hi, is there a way to delete the images from a pdf?
[22:40] <soee> beta coming dec 22 right ?
[22:41] <soee> *beta 2
[22:41] <shadeslayer> Nickoe: just navigate to the place where you downloaded the iso
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[22:42] <shadeslayer> Nickoe: then open a konsole and type : md5sum : and drop the iso on the terminal,check the output it generates with the one on the kubuntu download site
[22:42] <shadeslayer> !md5sum | Nickoe
[22:42] <ubottu> Nickoe: To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[22:42] <Nickoe> Thanks
[22:43] <shadeslayer> Nickoe: first link is your best bet :)
[22:54] <Nickoe> How can I create an ext4 partition? PartitionMagic doesn't support it
[22:55] <Vroomfondle> !ext4
[22:55] <Vroomfondle> hmm, no info
[22:55] <Nickoe> I have kubuntu 9.10 installed on my other computer
[22:55] <Nickoe> and it had an ext4 already..
[22:56] <Vroomfondle> Nickoe: I guess http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto#Creating_ext4_filesystems is the thing to read
[22:56] <Nickoe> Thanks
[22:56] <Vroomfondle> create the partition, then do that to create the filesystem
[22:56] <Vroomfondle> though it'll only work if you're on 9.10
[22:57] <Vroomfondle> well, only work reliably
[22:57] <Nickoe> Wow, now when I open terminal it says /bin/bash crashed
[22:57] <Vroomfondle> oh dear...
[22:57] <Nickoe> I never had problems on the other installation
[22:57] <Vroomfondle> that doesn't sound too good
[22:57] <Nickoe> Should I redownload and reburn an iso?
[22:58] <Vroomfondle> was this an upgrade?
[22:58] <Nickoe> No
[22:58] <Vroomfondle> hrm, odd
[22:58] <Nickoe> Side by side with windows xp
[22:58] <Vroomfondle> does it say how bash crashed?
[22:58] <Nickoe> Doesn't say
[22:58] <Nickoe>  Warning: Program '/bin/bash' crashed.
[22:59] <Vroomfondle> Hrm. Actually yeah, tbh, the first thing I'd try is to redownload and reinstall
[22:59] <Vroomfondle> assuming  you don't have many files/apps to lose
[22:59] <Nickoe> I haven't even installed it yet
[22:59] <Nickoe> So there's nothing to lose
[22:59] <Vroomfondle> heh, I see
[23:00] <Nickoe> I don't want the desktop cd, correct?
[23:01] <Vroomfondle> well, depends what you're after...
[23:02] <Nickoe> I want it to be installed on a partition
[23:03] <Vroomfondle> I was under the impression that the desktop CD could do that, but must confess it's been years since I've bothered with dual-boot
[23:03] <Nickoe> Check here if you need the alternate desktop CD. This CD does not include the Live CD, instead it uses a text-based installer.
[23:03] <Nickoe> Doesn't really explain
[23:05] <Vroomfondle> I think the Live CD can install a dual-boot system
[23:05] <Vroomfondle> I wonder if the bot knows
[23:05] <Vroomfondle> !dualboot
[23:05] <ubottu> Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo - MACs: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro https://help.ubuntu.com/community/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot
[23:05] <Nickoe> help page says Live CD
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[23:09] <Nickoe> 39 minutes on the download >_<
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[23:13] <lanec42> i'm looking for the mysql client libraries - does anyone know of their name in the (k)ubuntu repos?
[23:13] <lanec42> also, sure is quit/join in here.
[23:14] <et> lanec42: aptitude search mysql
[23:14] <Nickoe> I'll check for you lanec
[23:14] <lanec42> mkay
[23:15] <lanec42> libsqlxx-2.3c2a?
[23:15] <Mamarok> lanec42: that doesn't sound right from the version
[23:16] <Nickoe> I don't have it, wouldn't know...
[23:16] <lanec42> what about libsqlxx-dev?
[23:16] <Nickoe> Thats development
[23:16] <Nickoe> Is that what you need?
[23:16] <soee> ah finally i found it, i can assign program to a specific desktop and it cant be move to other desktop KDE rox :D
[23:16] <Mamarok> lanec42: just mysql-cleint should do, it's a meta package based on the latest version
[23:16] <Mamarok> mysql-client*, sry, typo
[23:17] <Nickoe> !ext4
[23:17] <Mamarok> lanec42: what do you need the client for?
[23:17] <lanec42> Mamarok: that looks like it! thanks all!
[23:17] <Nickoe> Mamarok: How can I create a new ext4 partition?
[23:17] <Mamarok> lanec42: OK, nice you got it :)
[23:17] <lanec42> i'm writing a db frontend with qt
[23:17] <Mamarok> Nickoe: by formatting it, or by converting it, let me check
[23:17] <lanec42> and I just reinstalled kubuntu :(
[23:18] <Nickoe> I need to convert it, I don't have one
[23:22] <Nickoe> Mamarok: Did you find anything? And PartitionMagic doesn't work :s
[23:22] <Mamarok> Nickoe: no, it's done on upgrade from Jaunty to Karmic usually
[23:22] <Nickoe> Mamarok: So.. is there any way I can get one?
[23:23] <Mamarok> sinc the ext4 filesystem only was released in Karmic officially
[23:23] <Mamarok> Nickoe: are you already running Karmic?
[23:23] <Nickoe> Yes, not an upgrade either
[23:23] <Nickoe> Nor have I installed it yet
[23:23] <Nickoe> since I have no ext4 partition
[23:24] <Mamarok> Nickoe: see here: http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto#For_people_who_are_running_Ubuntu
[23:24] <Mamarok> there is a big explanation, and I guess there must be quite a few threads in the forums, too
[23:25] <Mamarok> Nickoe: wait, I don't understand: you already have Karmic installed?
[23:25] <Nickoe> Mamarok: No, I'm running it from a booted CD in demo mode
[23:25] <Mamarok> ah, now I get it
[23:25] <Mamarok> what is running on the PC then?
[23:25] <Nickoe> Mamarok: Also, shadeslayer suggested I redownload the ISO, I'm having KDEinit issues
[23:25] <Nickoe> Win XP
[23:26] <Mamarok> Nickoe: do you have free space on your hard disk?
[23:26] <Nickoe> yes, about 200GB
[23:26] <Mamarok> oh, great, that's more than enough to add a Kubuntu :)
[23:26] <Nickoe> Mamarok: it's just a matter of getting the ext4 partition for me
[23:27] <Mamarok> Nickoe: once you have launched the installation mode it suggest the various installation possibilities, choose the dual install alongside Windows
[23:27] <Nickoe> Mamarok: mine only has full installation(all mem usage) and manually select partitions
[23:28] <Nickoe> Mamarok: And there is no way for me to add an ext4 from the manual menu
[23:28] <Mamarok> Nickoe: then there is something worng with that CD, I also suggest you get a new iso and brun another CD then
[23:28] <Nickoe> Mamarok: It's downloading already :)
[23:28] <Mamarok> Nickoe: you should have 3 options: all the HD, alongside Windows and Manual installation
[23:29] <Mamarok> I guess it's the alongside Windows you want, right?
[23:29] <Nickoe> Mamarok: Yes
[23:29] <Mamarok> which you can also do with the Manual installation btw
[23:29] <Nickoe> Mamarok: is it maybe because my HD is seperated into Recovery partition (FAT32) and NTFS?
[23:29] <Nickoe> Most of the memory is in the NTFS
[23:29] <Nickoe> the rest is in recovery
[23:29] <Mamarok> once you have resized the HD to make space for Kubuntu, it will ask you what filesystem you want to use, thre you choose ext4
[23:30] <Mamarok> at the very moment you partition and before formatting the new partitions
[23:30] <Nickoe> Mamarok: What i mean is this: Around 310GB in NTFS, around 4GB in recovery
[23:30] <Nickoe> Mamrok: and thats all my memory
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[23:31] <Mamarok> Nickoe: that's the disk space, not the Memory
[23:31] <Mamarok> memory would be the amount of RAM you have
[23:31] <Nickoe> Mamarok: Yes sorry, I have a bad habit of calling RAM and memory both memory
[23:31] <Mamarok> don't, memory is RAM, the rest is not memory but disk space
[23:32] <Nickoe> Mamarok: See, I did it right there.
[23:32] <Nickoe> Mamarok: Well, is there anything I can do in the 15 minutes the ISO has remaining?
[23:32] <Mamarok> Nickoe: no, not really
[23:33] <Nickoe> Mamarok: Ok, so how will I create the new ext4 again?
[23:33] <Nickoe> Mamarok: I want to get this right before I reboot
[23:33] <Mamarok> Nickoe: it will ask you once you have resized your Hard disk, when you are going to format the newly created partitions
[23:34] <Nickoe> Mamarok: And I resize it in Administrative tools?
[23:34] <Nickoe> Assuming you've used win xp
[23:34] <Mamarok> first choose installation alongside the existing Windows, then it will resize the Hard disk, then make the new partiotion and that's were you choose the filesystem
[23:34] <Nickoe> Mamarok: Ah, ok.
[23:34] <Mamarok> Nickoe: no, let the Kubuntu Installation ahlde that, not in WIndows
[23:35] <Mamarok> boot the PC with the Live CD, then follow the guide :)
[23:35] <Mamarok> handle*
[23:35] <Nickoe> Mamarok: Ok, thanks for all your help :)
[23:35] <Mamarok> Nickoe: the only thing you need to be careful with is not choosing the complete Hard disk
[23:36] <Nickoe> Mamarok: Yeah, but it wouldn't be too harsh considering I just had to format it not a week ago..
[23:36] <Mamarok> Nickoe: OK. It's bed time for me now, you can ask somebody else if you have other questions, right? Just ask :)
[23:37] <Nickoe> Mamarok: Yeah, thanks. G'night
[23:37] <Mamarok> and don't try installing Windows after Linux, since Windows usually thinks it's the only one and overwrites Linux
[23:37] <Mamarok> good night and have fun :)
[23:37] <Nickoe> Thanks
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[23:43] <phoenixz> Whats the difference between apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade?
[23:43] <Vroomfondle> phoenixz: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/fedora-35/apt-get-question-dist-upgrade-vs-upgrade-219920/
[23:44] <Sahtiro> the "dist"
[23:44] <Vroomfondle> but in Ubuntu it's best to use the upgrade manager rather than dist-upgrade
[23:44] <Nickoe> If I remove the live CD in demo mode, will kubuntu stop working? (stupid question)
[23:44] <Vroomfondle> (as opposed to Debian, where dist-upgrade is the preferred option)
[23:45] <Vroomfondle> Nickoe: it shouldn't do
[23:45] <Vroomfondle> the OS should be loaded into RAM, in theory at least, but I've never tried it myse;f
[23:45] <Nickoe> Lol, thanks
[23:46] <Nickoe> I just finished downloading the ISO, and don't want to lose it
[23:46] <soee> whats the best multimedia player for kubuntu ?
[23:47] <Sahtiro> Why my Koqueror cant open the pages ?
[23:48] <Sahtiro> WHY???
[23:48] <Vroomfondle> soee: I like Amarok2
[23:48] <Vroomfondle> VLC is also a popular option on Linux.
[23:48] <soee> Vroomfondle: and what do u think @ kaffeine ?
[23:49] <soee> Vroomfondle: yes but there is a bug with fullscren now
[23:49] <Vroomfondle> I don't like kaffeine much. The interface is very limited.
[23:49] <Vroomfondle> but it does work for most purposes.
[23:50] <Nickoe> Vroomfondle: I can't even open my disk drive >_<
[23:50] <Vroomfondle> Oh. Hrm.
[23:51] <Vroomfondle> Got a USB disk handy? ;)
[23:51] <Vroomfondle> either that or dump the ISO on your XP drive.
[23:51] <Nickoe> Now I get to save it to flash drive, boot windows, burn it, boot kubuntu
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[23:56] <phoenixz> Vroomfondle: thanks