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[01:35] <doctormo> palhmbs: xorg.conf isn't needed any more
[01:36] <doctormo> You should use xsetwacom
[01:36] <palhmbs> I tried xsetwacom
[01:36] <palhmbs> it doesn't detect it :(
[01:36] <palhmbs> it's a serial port A3 wacom intous3
[01:36] <palhmbs> works on a Win XP machine fine
[01:37] <palhmbs> I'd really appreciate some tips on how to troubleshoot
[01:37] <palhmbs> but I'm using debian 6 at the moment
[01:37] <palhmbs> and trying to get a website design finished
[01:39] <palhmbs> I found a ubuntu forum thread that I thought would help
[01:39] <palhmbs> but it was giving directions to change xorg.conf
[01:40] <palhmbs> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=298705
[03:57] <doctormo> palhmbs: Hmm, I have some bad news for you, the serial wacom tablets are no longer supported.
[03:58] <doctormo> You have to use a previous version of the driver, which means a previous version of xorg, which means a previous version of Ubuntu.
[03:58] <doctormo> I think Jaunty or Karmic might support them.
[03:58] <palhmbs> What the!!
[03:59] <palhmbs> that stupid
[03:59] <palhmbs> s/that/that's/
[03:59] <palhmbs> why, oh why did they drop them?
[03:59] <palhmbs> can't I compile the old driver on my newer debian based distro?
[04:00] <palhmbs> doctormo, can you give me a reference for this bad news?
[04:00] <palhmbs> cause this is very upsetting
[04:00] <palhmbs> I had the chance of buying a USB adaptor for it too...
[04:00] <palhmbs> and thought I didn't need it.
[04:01] <palhmbs> where's the wacom #channel - I want to moan :P
[04:03] <doctormo> palhmbs: Give me a second to confirm it
[04:04] <palhmbs> doctormo, thanks for your help btw
[04:04] <doctormo> When I was talking to ping (who works for Wacom on the linux driver) she said the serial port devices, except for the PnP ones, are dropped.
[04:05] <palhmbs> except for the PnP ones, maybe that's hope?
[04:05] <palhmbs> oh well, I guess I'll have to reboot into WinXP and use it there.
[04:05] <palhmbs> pity, but that's the same issue with my non-sane compliant scanner.
[04:05] <palhmbs> bbl
[04:08] <doctormo> palhmbs: Hang on
[04:14] <doctormo> Add http://paste.ubuntu.com/625598/ to /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/51-wacom-serial.conf and update the ttyS number for your device. Restart computer and tell me if it works.
[04:15] <doctormo> It's important that you tell me so I can update various people on it's workingness.
[04:15] <doctormo> (also what you're using, Debian etc)
[04:28] <palhmbs> thanks doctormo !!
[04:28] <palhmbs> trying now...
[04:54] <palhmbs> doctormo, how can I tell which port I'm supposed to use?
[04:54] <palhmbs> or should it be trial and error?
[04:54] <palhmbs> I've tried ttySO
[04:54] <palhmbs> which doesn't work :(
[04:56] <palhmbs> i did notice a 20-wacom.conf file in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/
[04:57] <palhmbs> # WALTOP needs a patched kernel driver, that isn't in mainline lk yet
[04:57] <palhmbs> interesting
[05:00] <palhmbs> this is in debian 6
[05:00] <palhmbs> I'll boot into lubuntu 11.04 and try those instructions out there
[05:00] <palhmbs> bbs
[05:09] <palhmbs> doctormo, no fun :(
[05:14] <palhmbs> fyi - the package i have installed is: xserver-xorg-input-wacom 1:0.10.11-0ubuntu4
[05:16] <palhmbs> trying ttyS1 now....
[05:19] <palhmbs> looks like I'll have to down-grade to get wacom linux support.
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[05:53] <doctormo> palhmbs: OK, so that didn't work?
[05:54] <palhmbs> no
[05:54] <palhmbs> I tried both com ports
[05:54] <doctormo> What serial port is your device plugged into?
[05:54] <palhmbs> how do I find that out
[05:54] <palhmbs> ?
[05:54] <palhmbs> I think my mb only supports 1
[05:55] <doctormo> OK so you have a /dev/ttyS0 Make sure that's a zero and not an Oh
[05:55] <doctormo> Can you also report your xorg log back to me?
[05:57] <palhmbs> ttyS0 - check complete - valid
[05:57] <doctormo> NOTE: Only ISDV4 serial devices (TabletPC's) are currently supported by xf86-input-wacom (Xserver 1.7 or later). A patch set by John Tsiombikas & Sebastian Berthold for the serial tablets needs further development before inclusion into xf86-input-wacom.
[05:57] <doctormo> http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/linuxwacom/index.php?title=FAQ#Which_devices_are_supported.3F
[05:57] <doctormo> OK that confirms what I know about it, maybe I can patch you up a ppa deb though...
[05:59] <palhmbs> doctormo, -- xorg paste -- http://paste.ubuntu.com/625642/
[05:59] <palhmbs> would you? - I was just seriously considering installing Ubuntu 9.10....
[06:00] <palhmbs> I'd be eternally grateful to the you and the ubuntu team!!
[06:01] <doctormo> Heh, don't go heaping praise on the Ubuntu team ;-) I'm just a random programmer and artist.
[06:09] <doctormo> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=isoeic%24cum%241%40dough.gmane.org&forum_name=linuxwacom-discuss
[06:09] <doctormo> So. from what I can tell.
[06:09] <doctormo> There are a bunch of non developers who have serial wacoms
[06:09] <doctormo> Very few programmers do
[06:10] <doctormo> So there are multiple patches all over the place to get it working with specific versions of the xinput wacom driver.
[06:10] <doctormo> You might have to go on an adventure.
[06:11] <palhmbs> o.O
[06:11] <palhmbs> sounds fun
[06:11] <palhmbs> unfortunately, I've got even less time now for such a frolic
[06:12] <doctormo> Yeah, it's a hard one. The wacom project is starving, much like most foss projects.
[06:13] <palhmbs> $$
[06:13] <palhmbs> but everybody loves free
[06:13] <palhmbs> just not enought to monetarily support it enough
[06:13] <palhmbs> s/enought/enough/
[06:15] <palhmbs> if only this would work in lubuntu 11.04 -- http://gtk-apps.org/content/show.php/Wacom+Control+Panel?content=104309
[06:19] <doctormo> It doesn't work on ubuntu 11.04 either
[06:19] <doctormo> Not that it would help you anyway
[06:20] <palhmbs> dammit, I wish I could code python better than I do
[06:21] <palhmbs> I would consider hacking up some support in these myself!!
[06:21] <doctormo> It's all C code anyway, what would a python script be able to do?
[06:21] <palhmbs> :-o
[06:21] <palhmbs> er yeah - /facepalm
[06:21] <doctormo> (the wacom driver, not the utill)
[06:22] <doctormo> Although the C code doesn't look hard, it's just missing a developer who actually had one of the devices.
[06:23] <doctormo> I find it funny that I manage the wizardpen driver ppa and yet I don't own one. Dumb luck that a roving developer pops by each release to fix it for me. random!
[06:25] <palhmbs> doctormo, I think the best and easiest option for me & you and everybody else is to buy a USB adaptor.
[06:26] <palhmbs> :P
[06:26] <palhmbs> which I will go ahead and do shortly
[06:26] <doctormo> Yes, if that works, let me know and I will change my default recommendation to that.
[06:26] <palhmbs> I can wait, at least we know that it'll work on USB.
[06:26] <palhmbs> afaict
[06:58] <Islington> my wrist is starting to hurt
[06:58] <Islington> :(
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[13:40] <coz_> hey guys
[13:55] <hbons> where can i find guidelines on making monochrome icons for the unity panel?
[14:25] <coz_> hbons,   good question,,, not sure but they do appear to be similar to  faenza icons
[14:28] <hbons> coz_: that's good, but they don't really have a style description either :)
[14:29] <Islington> what was the question?
[14:29] <coz_> hbons,  yeah ,, not sure ,, exactly,, however you could try asking in  #ayatana  channel,,, that is the development channel for Unity
[14:29] <hbons> yea, i did yesterday, but got no reply
[14:29] <Islington> hbons: what was the question?
[14:30] <coz_> hbons,  ")  not completely surprised
[14:30] <hbons> Islington: i'm trying to find guidelines for the mono style icons
[14:30] <Islington> ooh hold on they are in the wiki somewhere iirc
[14:30] <hbons> oh
[14:32] <Islington> ping vish dashua Icon question yo
[14:33] <vish> hbons: nah, there is no wiki guidelines, basically you can loook at the svg and figure out the colors
[14:33] <vish> rather guidelines on wki
[14:33] <hbons> that's a bit lame...
[14:33] <vish> bah! wiki*
[14:33] <hbons> and sizes?
[14:34] <hbons> where do i install them?
[14:34] <vish> hbons: 22px are used in the panel
[14:34] <coz_> hbons,  well inkscape will automatically open the icon in the size  they were created in
[14:34] <hbons> vish: ok, you know gnome is deprecating that size?
[14:34] <vish> hbons: yea :)
[14:34] <hbons> good :)
[14:35] <vish> hbons: anyway you guys dont consider anything Ayatana Gnome.. ;)
[14:35] <hbons> ok, thanks people :)
[14:35] <Islington> vish hbons https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/HumanityIcons/Guidelines#Panel%20Icons
[14:36] <vish> Islington: thats what *i* did for Humanity , hbons is asking about ubuntu-mono
[14:36] <hbons> vish: well, it would be easier for everyone to just have to maintain one icon size for it
[14:36] <hbons> and it's a bit silly that two kinds of status icons have to be maintained at the moment...
[14:37] <vish> :)
[14:37] <Islington> if its at 22px technically you could force kde to use them as well
[14:37] <hbons> but i don't make the decision on that, but i would like to make theming issues better. i just installed ubuntu and was kind of shocked how that stuff is done :)
[14:38] <coz_> hbons,  my guess is that will be worked out by 12.04  hopefully sooner
[14:38] <vish> hbons: symbolic icon support just landed with GNOME3 so stuff might change, but since we cant do that in GNOME2 we did it as 2 themes
[14:38] <hbons> Islington: yea, but 22x22 doesn't make sense as a size anyway
[14:38] <hbons> (sticking to multiples of 8)
[14:39] <hbons> vish: yea, that would be good, it's a huge hack right now
[14:39] <coz_> hbons,  multiples of 8 ?
[14:39] <vish> 16, 24, 32, 48
[14:39] <coz_> hbons,  24..32..40?
[14:40] <Islington> hbons: wasnt there a big thingie with 24 vs 22 a while back?
[14:40] <hbons> Islington: not sure
[14:40] <coz_> multiples of 8 would lead to an icons size of 32 .. 40  ...yes?
[14:40] <hbons> but the end result is the same artwork wise anyway, just with different padding
[14:40] <hbons> coz_: we don't have 40
[14:41] <coz_> hbons,  I realize that  but multiples of 8 would asume  32 ..40
[14:41] <hbons> no, it doesn't have to follow each ste
[14:41] <hbons> step
[14:43] <hbons> but 32 is 2x16, 48 2x16 etc
[14:43] <hbons> eh 2x24
[14:43] <coz_> :)
[14:44] <hbons> there's also 64 and 128, 256 for hires
[14:44] <vish> hbons: what did you mean by » http://twitter.com/#!/hbons/status/80006110882435072 ?
[14:44] <coz_> I prefer working in 256  in inkscape and reducing it when finished
[14:45] <hbons> vish: refering to the mono icon theme on top of a 'normal' theme to make things work
[14:45] <vish> hbons: the two themes or anything else?  most of the hacks there are mine more due to not having symbolic icon support :D
[14:45] <hbons> and the tarball basically extrated in the icons direcotory, which is messy
[14:45] <hbons> vish: i know :)
[14:47] <coz_> my only question is why unity's  ccsm is still using that damn purple icon instead of the one originally designed for it,, the only answer I got was " Unity is a project"
[14:47] <hbons> hehe
[14:47] <vish> coz_: i think it was a MarkDecision™  ;)
[14:47] <hbons> vish: hacks are attractive in the short term, but cause a lot if pain longterm :)
[14:47] <coz_> vish,  oh?  another  bad one
[14:48] <vish> hbons: agreed, but folks wanted them right now 3-4 cycles back, and who would have hacked the symbolic support, I'm not a hacker ;)
[14:49] <hbons> canonical should have dedicated someone to it
[14:49] <hbons> cause now everyone will have to port their icons icon when gnome 3 symbolc lands
[14:49] <hbons> s/icon/again
[14:50] <Islington> hbons: they could go deeper into the rabbit hell and symlink
[14:51] <hbons> Islington: are you islingt0ner on twitter?
[14:51] <coz_> hbons,  you didnt know  that "grapics" of any kind are considered the "fun" part of a project ? :)
[14:51] <Islington> yes
[14:51] <vish> hbons: i mentioned this a while back itself when having the panel icons named -panel and to instead use -symbolic names; but they just told we can change names later
[14:51] <hbons> Islington: ah cool :)
[14:52] <vish> hbons: back when humanity introduced the monochrome itself..
[14:52] <coz_> graphics
[14:53] <hbons> vish: ah, and the official suffix is -symbolic now? to be installed in hicolor?
[14:53] <vish> hbons: afaik, the indicator hasnt yet been changed to use -symbolic names and not sure it supports it yet
[14:54] <vish> hbons: GNOME3/GTK3 has only started landing.. i need to upgrade and do it later in the cycle when stuff is stable
[14:54] <hbons> ok, so i'll just add whatever suffix and refer to that?
[14:54] <vish> hbons: yea
[14:55] <hbons> vish: ok cool, sorry to be a bit too harsh, i see that they're not telling you a lot :)
[14:55] <vish> :)
[14:56] <Islington> welcome to our world
[14:56] <hbons> there's always a place for you in #gnome-design ey ;)
[14:56] <vish> hbons: its a bit of a communications hell at times; cause stuff might change any moment and nothing is official until it is really official ;)
[14:58] <hbons> vish: yea, are there any other canonical design team members that work in the open except mpt and ivanka (who's now left)?
[14:59] <vish> hbons: i thing you reached the end of the list there.. ;)
[14:59] <vish> think*
[15:00] <thorwil> *sneef*
[15:00] <hbons> :(
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