2011/09/27/#ubuntu-community-team.txt

[06:54] <dholbach> good morning
[07:02] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:03] <czajkowski> wel well well  USA 10 italy 10
[07:03] <czajkowski> fair fecks to them
[07:57] <kim0> Morning
[08:05] <akgraner> *yawn* - good morning
[08:06]  * akgraner can't figure out what time zone I am working from these days....:-P
[08:07] <akgraner> and I should never read IRC scroll back from this channel before bed....
[08:07] <AlanBell> akgraner: I have not had breakfast yet, you should not be up!
[08:08] <akgraner> I dreamed popey showed up with jcastro to my house with a cease and desist order for akgraner....signed by pgraner
[08:10] <akgraner> don't anyone analyze that dream I don't even want to know...
[08:11] <akgraner> AlanBell, ya think....it's "Formal Day" at my daughters school today so I needed to get up and finish a few things before I help her do her hair and makeup
[08:59] <head_victim> popey:  thought you'd get a kick from that OT thread.
[09:01] <popey> ☺
[09:04] <nigelb> head_victim: popey only gets  kick when something gets shut down :P
[09:05] <head_victim> nigelb: maybe he knows something he's not saying then?
[09:05] <nigelb> "[OT] Shutting down this mailing list"
[09:05] <nigelb> :P
[09:05]  * nigelb looks for said thread.
[09:06] <nigelb> popey++
[09:06] <nigelb> head_victim: To quote popey - Best. Description. Ever.
[09:07] <nigelb> popey: hah, I see your name as "Al" and I wonder who it is :P
[09:33] <akgraner> We need a popey bot - you know like the chuck norris or southpark ones
[09:34] <akgraner> oh AlanBell ^^^
[09:42] <AlanBell> you mean popey isn't a bot?!?
[09:49] <popey> AlanBell: what do you mean you mean me isn\'t a bot\?\!\?
[09:52] <nigelb> popey: ls
[09:52] <nigelb> :D
[09:59] <popey> .
[09:59] <popey> ..
[09:59] <popey> goat_videos
[10:02] <nigelb> TMI.
[10:02] <nigelb> I don't wanna know.
[10:03] <akgraner> do I dare ask? me thinks not
[10:04] <head_victim> popey: sudo shutdown -h now "popey shut it down"
[10:04]  * AlanBell things akgraner is famous for goat pictures
[10:05] <nigelb> head_victim++
[10:07] <akgraner> DOH!
[10:07] <akgraner> AlanBell, you had to go there! :-P
[10:12] <nigelb> popey: I like what you said at the CC meeting. "I know it should be shut down, but there's no way on earth I'm suggesting that" :D
[10:18] <daker> why there is a guideline if we don't follow it (http://developer.ubuntu.com) ?
[10:27] <jussi> daker?
[10:28] <daker> jussi, there is a webguideline but http://developer.ubuntu.com don't have any relation with it
[10:30] <akgraner> jcastro, when you join the land of the awake peoples can you ping me - I need like 10 minutes of time (ok that translates to 20 minutes akgraner time)
[10:47] <jussi> akgraner: how we loking for wednesday=
[10:47] <jussi> ?
=== daker_ is now known as daker
[11:25] <mhall119> geez akgraner, what are you doing up so early?
[11:28] <Pendulum> mhall119: this is not early :P
[11:28] <mhall119> you're right
[11:28] <Pendulum> the 4AM, though was early
[11:28] <mhall119> it's *too* early
[11:28] <Pendulum> haha
[11:28] <Pendulum> mhall119: my kitten got me up at 4:30
[11:29] <Pendulum> I'm actually feeling awake now
[12:26]  * popey wonders if njpatel just tweeted his password
[12:27] <popey> http://twitter.com/#!/njpatel/status/118662259173109760
[12:55] <mhall119> not much of a password
[13:23] <czajkowski> njpatal rocks
[13:23] <czajkowski> never met him
[13:23] <czajkowski> would liek too
[13:23] <czajkowski> seems like a cool guy
[13:37] <AlanBell> might be at the release party
[13:53] <Pendulum> czajkowski: you didn't meet him in Orlando?
[13:54] <czajkowski> no idea
[13:54] <Pendulum> popey: if I were to ever tweet that, it would be indicative of kitten on keyboard. She's quite good at repeated letters with numbers interspersed
[13:54] <czajkowski> face to nate ratio and me remembering is low
[13:54] <Pendulum> czajkowski: he's definitely cool :)
[13:55] <popey> ☺ Pendulum
[14:59] <dholbach> hey jono
[14:59] <jono> dholbach, heya, pal
[14:59] <jono> dholbach, give me two mins and then I will fire it up
[14:59] <dholbach> sure
[15:02] <jono> dholbach, ok, one sec
[15:04] <dholbach> go go go!
[15:09] <jono> dholbach, sent another hangout
[15:10] <jono> damn G+
[15:10] <kim0> A Few Million Monkeys Randomly Recreate Shakespeare: http://www.jesse-anderson.com/2011/09/a-few-million-monkeys-randomly-recreate-shakespeare/
[15:10] <kim0> Interviewing the guy on cloud.u.c :)
[15:10] <jono> kim0, woo!
[15:11] <kim0> fun guy .. he was like .. I use ubuntu since 6.04
[15:11] <kim0> I wanted to give something back
[15:11] <kim0> please interview me :)
[15:24] <jcastro> mhall119: hey
[15:24] <jcastro> or nigelb
[15:24] <jcastro> do we need the animal letter in the name?
[15:24] <jcastro> like, community-p-hug-daniel, etc?
[15:24] <jcastro> I'd like to drop that crap
[15:25] <nigelb> jcastro: what's up?
[15:25] <nigelb> jcastro: it helps sort out when the BP was proposed.
[15:25] <nigelb> at least in a quick glance.
[15:26] <jcastro> yeah but when you write it you target it
[15:26] <jcastro> I mean, if people want to use that fine
[15:26] <jcastro> I am wondering if the scheduler /depends/ on the letter being there
[15:26] <nigelb> Does not depend on it being there.
[15:26] <jcastro> meh you know what
[15:26] <jcastro> I'll leave it
[15:26] <nigelb> heh
[15:27] <Pendulum> jcastro: I like your example name
[15:29] <nigelb> I gues that would be a repeat of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jzGIaZcGcM
[15:31] <mhall119> jcastro: I don't think that's a summit requirement, if that's what you mean
[15:31] <nigelb> jcastro: imagine the confusion you'd cause by removing it
[15:31] <nigelb> uds-loco-directory
[15:31] <nigelb> uds-loco-team-portal
[15:32] <nigelb> which on was uds-o, and which one is uds-p?
[15:32] <jcastro> community-loco-directory, etc.
[15:32] <jcastro> well, you would update it for the next cycle
[15:32] <jcastro> but whatever, I kept it
[15:32] <nigelb> Please keep it :)
[15:32] <jcastro> IMO the "versioning" should be in launchpad anyway, but whatevs
[15:32] <nigelb> I like having it there
[15:32] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS/Scheduling
[15:32] <mhall119> the summit urls will contain the summit slug, so it'd only be confusing in Launchpad
[15:32] <jcastro> BEHOLD.
[15:32] <jcastro> tips, improvements, most welcome.
[15:32] <nigelb> (1) Move eit to uds.ubuntu.com
[15:34] <nigelb> (2) link to or list the track leads right there.
[15:37] <nigelb> jcastro: ^
[15:37] <jcastro> I thought it was all going to go to uds.ubuntu.com anyway?
[15:37] <nigelb> ah
[15:37] <nigelb> then, its cool.
[15:37] <AlanBell> decided how to get rid of 9 rooms from the schedule yet?
[15:38] <jcastro> I don't know anything about that?
[15:38] <jcastro> what's up with that now?
[15:38] <AlanBell> to fit on the 1920px monitors
[15:40] <AlanBell> there may of course be other ways to address that than get rid of 9 rooms
[15:40] <cjohnston> heh
[15:40] <cjohnston> AlanBell: we thought you were fixing that
[15:41] <cjohnston> we do need to come up with a new way to display the schedule.. or since we now have the capability, move LDS to its own instance, and take their rooms with it.
[15:41] <AlanBell> I would need danger money to tangle with render.py again :)
[15:42] <jcastro> cjohnston: yeah I thought that's what was happening
[15:42] <jcastro> james_w: any insight on this?
[15:42] <AlanBell> it could be single instance still
[15:42] <AlanBell> just have two different /today renderings
[15:44] <cjohnston> james_w: is summit aware of the ability to have two different events at the same time and schedule people according to their availability across both?
[15:44] <popey> two screens side by side, /today/left and today/right :D
[15:45] <AlanBell> something like that :)
[15:45] <cjohnston> More than willing to accept code.. :D
[15:45] <AlanBell> just needs someone to make a heroic effort to code it up
[15:45]  * AlanBell isn't falling into the "that should be easy" trap
[15:46] <nigelb> if you touch render.py, we will probaly shoot you.
[15:46] <nigelb> s/touch/add more stuff/
[15:46] <AlanBell> if I touch render.py I would let you
[15:46] <cjohnston> AlanBell: you can create it and remove stuff from render.py and get free beer
[15:47] <jcastro> you know what it needs
[15:47] <jcastro> a little toggle
[15:47] <jcastro> between linaro and uds
[15:47] <AlanBell> rooms need an event field
[15:47] <jcastro> so that we can have monitors for each
[15:48] <AlanBell> then /today/uds and /today/linaro (or /today/$event)
[15:48] <cjohnston> jcastro: that would fairly well be the same as what we already have..
[15:49] <jcastro> cjohnston: yes, yes it would. :)
[15:49] <cjohnston> i just dont know if the two are aware of each other
[15:49] <jcastro> see what I did there?
[15:49] <cjohnston> ;-)
[15:49] <AlanBell> is there such a toggle on the room object?
[15:50] <cjohnston> AlanBell: just assign the rooms that are linaro rooms to the linaro summit
[15:50] <AlanBell> ok, there is already a relationship there?
[15:51] <cjohnston> AlanBell: that would be the ability to have two simultaneous sprints
[15:54] <AlanBell> can a room be assigned to both?
[15:54] <mhall119> no
[15:54] <AlanBell> I don't have a local summit right now
[15:54] <jcastro> what, you don't use it to schedule your kitchen?
[15:54] <mhall119> AlanBell: attendee can't be assigned to multiple summits either
[15:55] <mhall119> though user can (though attendee)
[15:55] <mhall119> slots can't be assigned to multiple summits either
[15:55] <AlanBell> bug 860683
[15:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 860683 in summit "too many rooms to display a days schedule on an HD screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/860683
[15:56] <mhall119> jcastro: we just need bigger LCDs this time
[15:56]  * cjohnston assigns to AlanBell 
[15:56] <mhall119> you've got a company credit card, right?
[15:57] <czajkowski> jono: can you tweet http://lococouncil.ubuntu.com/2011/09/27/ordering-11-10-cds-is-now-open/  I've added it to the locoteams page on FB. PLease. Thanks
[15:57] <czajkowski> thakns to popey for editing my waffle
[15:58] <czajkowski> poked the dev guy re the form before someone commments
[16:18] <jcastro> hey dholbach
[16:18] <dholbach> hey jcastro
[16:19] <jcastro> is it just me
[16:19] <jcastro> or did everyone miss the point of the developer.ubuntu.com announcement
[16:19] <jcastro> I think people just think it's a website.
[16:19] <jcastro> and they missed the whole "most fundamental change in ubuntu" part about out of band applications updated independantly of the distro
[16:20] <dholbach> I dunno
[16:20] <dholbach> where did you get the impression?
[16:20] <jcastro> I asked around
[16:21] <jcastro> but I haven't like posted anything
[16:21] <jcastro> and the instructions don't make it so clear that app authors can just resubmit their apps when they have an update
[16:21] <dholbach> mh
[16:21] <dholbach> ah, dpm is not here
[16:21] <jcastro> right
[16:21] <dholbach> I would have liked to ask him, what he thinks
[16:21] <jcastro> man, I was so excited last night
[16:21] <jcastro> if this is true it's like !!!!
[16:21] <jcastro> jono: do you know?
[16:22] <jcastro> I asked allison, she's on the ARB
[16:22] <jcastro> and it appears that app authors just resubmit the app
[16:22] <dholbach> may we could do a straw poll on #ubuntu-app-dev? :)
[16:22] <jcastro> though the exact details don't appear to be nailed down
[16:22] <jcastro> dholbach: man, he did such an awesome job on it.
[16:23] <jono> jcastro, I think it still hasn't percolated yet
[16:23] <jono> it will take a little time for the juice to bubble up
[16:23] <dholbach> he did
[16:23] <jcastro> well, like, I realized this last night
[16:23] <jcastro> I was sitting there looking at all the docs
[16:23] <jcastro> because they are awesome
[16:24] <jcastro> and figuring out what other planella-tech I can steal for my own projects.
[16:24] <jcastro> and then it just hit me
[16:24] <jcastro> "wait a minute, this is the most important part of 11.10"
[16:24] <jcastro> we've effectively removed ourselves from app authors and users.
[16:25] <jcastro> from inbetween I mean
[16:26] <jcastro> dholbach: ok so, this is for out of universe/main apps
[16:26] <jcastro> let's say I make "jonometer 1.0"
[16:26] <jcastro> and I like just updating it whenever I want
[16:26] <jcastro> and not caring about when I need to publish it, etc.
[16:26] <jcastro> and then someone goes and wants to put it in debian or universe.
[16:27] <jcastro> I would say "wait, don't do that! I like publishing when I want, not every 6 months!"
[16:27] <jcastro> what happens then?
[16:28] <dholbach> I guess it depends if people have extras enabled, right? additionally you don't benefit from the same distro qa - like contributing to your package will still be harder
[16:28] <dholbach> and how fast the review process on dev.u.c is
[16:28] <jcastro> right, but as an app author, I wouldn't care about that
[16:29] <jcastro> I would have a PPA for my crackrock OMG followers
[16:29] <jcastro> and then push snapshots of that into extras/USC
[16:29] <jcastro> and yeah, depending on the app review process
[16:29] <jcastro> if the app review process takes say .... 6 months. :)
[16:31] <jcastro> bah, I miss dpm today
[16:34] <dholbach> in any case it'll be interesting to see how big the uptake is going to be
[16:34] <jcastro> well
[16:34] <jcastro> right off the bat
[16:34] <jcastro> basically, every PPA app OMG writes about
[16:36] <jcastro> so basically instead of a ton of disorganized PPAs, we can put them in one place.
[16:46] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day
[16:46]  * dholbach hugs jcastro and everybody else
[16:46] <dholbach> see you tomorrow
[16:46] <jcastro> cya!
[17:01] <akgraner> jono - Interview: John Lenton, Senior Engineering Manager for Ubuntu One  - http://www.ubuntu-user.com/Online/Blogs/Amber-Graner-You-in-Ubuntu/Interview-John-Lenton-Senior-Engineering-Manager-for-Ubuntu-One
[17:04] <akgraner> jono here's my favorite quote from Chipaca in this interview - - " So getting good feedback on what is and isn't working is essential to making things work better across the board, and that is something that this community is great at. Telling us where we suck, so we can make it better, is awesome."
[17:10] <nigelb> what the... http://www.rackspace.com/cloud/blog/2011/09/27/happy-birthday-to-gnu/
[17:10] <nigelb> "Added “Humanity to Others,” also known as Ubuntu, released in 1995 to offer a more user-friendly, less resource-draining, desktop Linux distribution as an alternative to existing desktop operating systems with about 12 million users to date"
[17:10] <nigelb> released in 1995?
[17:25] <jono> akgraner, nice!
[17:30] <jono> kim0, there?
[17:31] <kim0> jono: yeah
[17:31] <jono> kim0, are you posting links to the new c.u.c content on the ubuntulinux facebook page?
[17:31] <jono> I am not seeing the posts there
[17:31] <kim0> yeah I generally do .. just posted an article 2 mins ago .. and adding it now :)
[17:32] <jono> ahhh cool :-)
[17:32] <jono> I didn't see the links to the last two articles on there, that's why I wanted to check
[17:32] <kim0> jono: and we just hit 40k uniqs too :)
[17:32] <jono> kim0, woo!
[17:32] <kim0> this month is unstoppable
[17:32] <kim0> hehe
[17:32] <jono> seriously
[17:33] <jono> unfortunately, that means that next month you are going to need to pedal like crazy :-)
[17:33] <kim0> Yeah was just thinking about that :)
[17:33] <kim0> alrighty folks .. I'll push a couple of links and join real life for a while
[17:35] <jono> thanks kim0
[18:19] <jcastro> mhall119: can I mess with slots and stuff yet?
[18:23] <mhall119> I don't see why not, just don't break anything
[18:24] <mhall119> are you just talking plenary slots?
[18:24] <mhall119> because there's already stuff on the schedule for regular slots
[19:47] <jono> jcastro, around?
[19:48] <jcastro> yo
[19:57] <czajkowski> jcastro: http://fosdem.org/2012/call_for_devrooms
[20:03] <AlanBell> jcastro has 9 spare devrooms to donate \o/
[20:55] <komputes> hi jono
[20:56] <jono> hey komputes
[20:56] <czajkowski> jono: some tweet love please - http://lococouncil.ubuntu.com/2011/09/27/ordering-11-10-cds-is-now-open/
[20:56] <jono> sorry have a call coming up
[20:56] <jono> czajkowski, will do soon
[20:56] <czajkowski> cheers
[20:57] <komputes> jono: just wanted to say, great job on selecting Eric to join the team, he seems like the ideal person for the job.
[20:57] <jono> thanks komputes!
[21:01] <komputes> I'm happy we have an accomplished Community QA Coordinator, btw jono, do you know what is Eric's nick?
[21:42]  * AlanBell wonders where doctormo is these days