2012/11/04/#kubuntu.txt

[00:44] <philip__> hi
[00:48] <xixor> philip__: hi.
[00:52] <SIR_Taco> xixor: seems he doesn't want to talk to you
[00:52] <xixor> well fine.  I don't want to talk to him either.
[00:52] <SIR_Taco> maybe rob___ does though
[00:52] <xixor> rob___: hi!
[00:53] <rob___> Whats going on
[00:55] <xixor> nuffin
[00:58] <SIR_Taco> xixor: he didn't want to talk to you either.... lol
[01:00] <xixor> I must be doing it wrong
[01:02] <SIR_Taco> xixor: maybe try something like: "thank you good sir for blessing us with your company." or something along those lines
[01:03] <SIR_Taco> xixor: or possibly: "Welcome to the wonderful channel of wonderfulness"
[01:04] <xixor> I prefer something a little more harsh and/or vulgar
[01:04] <xixor> I didn't want to talk to that nerd anyway
[01:05] <SIR_Taco> maybe a little too harsh :P
[01:06] <xixor> if he's a kubuntu user, he's probably used to rejection
[01:06] <SIR_Taco> still too harsh
[01:06] <xixor> or not harsh enough?
[01:06] <xixor> or just too harsh enough?
[01:07] <SIR_Taco> haha no, and no
[01:08] <xixor> maybe we should apply the scientific method
[01:08] <SIR_Taco> xixor: sure, go ahead
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[01:28] <TSK> Scientific method?  Does it involve large amounts of electricity and lasers?
[01:28]  * TSK is all for that.
[01:28] <xixor> no, it involves systematically insulting users as they join the channel and measuring their response
[01:29] <TSK> Like "Yer father was a hamster and yer mother smelt of elderberry wine!"
[01:29] <SIR_Taco> xixor: think that's called Statistics... or Political Science.... one of those
[01:29] <SIR_Taco> TSK: just 'elderberries' :)
[01:30] <TSK> Yar, what SIR_Taco said.
[01:30] <TSK> No go away, or he shall taunt you again.
[01:30] <TSK> *Now
[01:31] <TSK> Wait...  This conversational turn should be taking place in the Python channel.
[01:32] <SIR_Taco> TSK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSo0duY7-9s  ;) thanks for reminding me
[01:32] <TSK> Holy moly there's a LOTTA folk hangin' out in #python...  Wow...
[01:32] <SIR_Taco> ; )
[01:33] <TSK> Hehehe...  One of the best Monty Python movies EVER.  :)
[01:33] <SIR_Taco> TSK: I agree :)
[01:34] <TSK> Love the killer bunny with pointy teefs like this V'''V
[01:34] <TSK> *RAWR*
[01:34] <SIR_Taco> forgot about "fetche lavache" :P
[01:34]  * TSK giggles at the screams and bloodshed every time the cute bunny kills.
[01:45] <xixor> any Qt programmers here?
[01:48] <SIR_Taco> xixor: what would you like to know?
[01:52] <xixor> I am drawing some technical/scientific images to a QPainter.  I want to have it resizeable, but want the QPainter widget to maintain a specific aspect ratio
[01:52] <xixor> I guess the thing to do is to work out the maximum dimensions that can fit into the window while maintaining the aspect ratio and manually set the Qpainter size
[01:54] <SIR_Taco> xixor: I do beleive there's an 'onresize' or something along those lines... most of the Qt dev stuff I've done was spreadsheet type
[01:55] <xixor> SIR_Taco: Did you use the QTableView widget then?
[01:55] <SIR_Taco> yes
[01:56] <xixor> oic
[01:56] <xixor> I can't figure out Qt's model view
[01:57] <SIR_Taco> xixor: it took me a bit of figuring to figure out the model/view model they use, but it does make sense once you get used to it
[02:00] <SIR_Taco> xixor: seem to remember having an issue with user input not updating in the model... but the view is an instance of the model, so you had to pass the change from the view to the model (I'd have to dig up code to explain that entirely)
[02:03] <simplew> yofel: ping
[02:03] <yofel> yes
[02:04] <simplew> i have set sudo with NOPASSWD, but muon after i click in apply it prompts for password
[02:04] <yofel> that's policykit, not sudo
[02:04] <simplew> but the polkit policy i see is to use sudo group
[02:05] <simplew> and im set to sud group
[02:05] <yofel> no idea, really
[02:05] <simplew> synaptic for example doesnt prompt for password
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[02:08] <xixor> SIR_Taco: are you a developer then?
[02:10] <SIR_Taco> xixor: I do write the odd custom business software... but I'm no expert
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[02:11] <xixor> oic
[02:12] <SIR_Taco> maybe I'm that guy that the real software developers curse.... hope not :P
[02:13] <DarthFrog> SIR_Taco: If you're effective, who cares?
[02:15] <SIR_Taco> DarthFrog: good point... my software works and I haven't had a bug reported yet : )
[02:19] <SIR_Taco> that's why I change phone numbers ever 3 months...  kidding :P
[02:24] <Predictability> Hi, I'm having some troubles with my laptop when I try to boot up
[02:24] <SIR_Taco> Predictability: I knew you were coming
[02:24] <Predictability> ?
[02:24] <xixor> I too predicted this
[02:25] <Predictability> When I try to boot up, I get these error messages: http://pastebin.com/jAQ4SK93
[02:25] <Predictability> Can anyone help?
[02:26] <xixor> nope, this is something I am unfamilliar with
[02:28] <SIR_Taco> Predictability: your drive is encrypted?
[02:29] <simplew> yofel: can you tell how is the procidure to report a bug for muon?
[02:30] <yofel> what kind of bug?
[02:30] <simplew> yofel: not being able to follow polkit policy
[02:31] <simplew> yofel: in fact muon doesnt have any polkit policy set like it happens with synaptic...
[02:31] <yofel> that would be a bug in polkit-kde-1
[02:32] <yofel> simplew: https://bugs.kde.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=policykit-kde&format=guided
[02:32] <simplew> yofel: i dont think thats the case, but ill investigate better
[02:33] <yofel> as far as I know muon does nothing more than call the policy authentification agent
[02:33] <yofel> *policykit
[02:34] <simplew> yofel: like i thought, do this: dpkg -L synpatic|grep polkit
[02:34] <yofel> simplew: but if you really want to report the bug against muon at first: https://bugs.kde.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=muon&format=guided
[02:34] <yofel> ah
[02:34] <yofel> I have really no idea how policykit works
[02:34] <yofel> I'm just happy when it doesn't fall apart on me
[02:35] <SIR_Taco> :P
[02:35] <simplew> yofel: and in muon there isnt any policy set, thats why it fails to follow policy because theres none set, thus always prompting the password even the user as set to NOPASSWD
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[02:37] <simplew> yofel: but muon is developed by ubuntu or by kde developers?
[02:37] <yofel> The author is both
[02:37] <Guest45290> demonios, no entiendo el inglis
[02:38] <yofel> and muon is supposed to be shared, so it's more a KDE than a Kubuntu application
[02:38] <simplew> yofel: if you enter to /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/  you will not see there any file for muon
[02:38] <yofel> yes, I understood you
[02:38] <yofel> but all I can help here is to tell you where to file the bug
[02:38] <SIR_Taco> apper is supposed to replace muon.... eventually
[02:39] <simplew> yofel: so now we have got why muon contines asking password even if the user sets sudo with NOPASSWD
[02:39] <yofel> apper has the problem that it uses packagekit, which nobody of us is really a fan of
[02:39] <yofel> (the apt backend sucks)
[02:39] <simplew> i also dont like apper
[02:39] <simplew> neither packagekit
[02:39] <yofel> or at least it did while apper was still kpackagekit
[02:39] <SIR_Taco> yofel: am much as I agree... it's supposed to be packagedkit 2.0 (I guess)
[02:40] <simplew> but muon relys on packagekit...
[02:40] <yofel> no
[02:41] <yofel> muon relies on qapt
[02:41] <xixor> quapt. lol
[02:41] <SIR_Taco> yofel: it was a proposed change for 12.10 to move to Apper... I had a few heated discussions about that one....
[02:41] <simplew> yofel: my, bad i was induced in error
[02:42] <yofel> SIR_Taco: well, I'm not saying that apper isn't nice. The UI has it's good points
[02:42] <yofel> I really only had problems with packagekit, not apper/kpackagekit itself
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[02:43] <SIR_Taco> yofel: my agruement wasn't the program itself, but the constant change over the releases. For a new user, that would get confusing
[02:43] <simplew> yofel: this problem is very easy to fix, the packager can do it
[02:43] <SIR_Taco> but yes, I agree :P
[02:43] <yofel> oh yeah, I agree with that
[02:44] <yofel> simplew: which is again the author
[02:44] <simplew> yofel: ok, so tell how to report the bug like you told me last me from cli
[02:45] <simplew> yofel: i have fixed it locally and now muon doesnt prompt for pssword
[02:45] <yofel> well, I guess for this you can just file it with 'ubuntu-bug muon' on launchpad. No need to create a KDE bugzilla account if you don't have one
[02:45] <yofel> simplew: great! Add what you did to the bug
[02:48] <simplew> yofel: but tell hwo to report the bug from the cli like you told me in the other time
[02:48] <yofel> uh, well, if you don't want to see apport-kde at all. run 'apport-cli muon'
[02:53] <simplew> yofel: im notunderstanding, the other time you told to run some ubuntu tool to report a bug
[02:53] <yofel> uhm, you mean the one I mentioned 4 lines before?
[02:53] <simplew> no
[02:53] <yofel> ubuntu-bug muon
[02:53] <simplew> ahhhh
[02:54] <simplew> i didnt saw that, sorry
[02:54] <yofel> which is really just a symlink to apport-bug
[02:54] <simplew> yofel: since you dont type my nick the message you send to me dont get highlighted
[02:55] <yofel> I'm used to only do that when it might be confusing who I'm talking to ^^
[03:01] <simplew> yofel: still need to do some more tests before opening a bug report
[03:01] <simplew> brb
[03:04]  * yofel is off to bed - good night folks
[03:05] <SIR_Taco> good night yofel
[03:07] <simplew> yofel: no, the fix i put isnt fixing it in fact, since muon is only followng kbuntu policy, so some needs to be fixed in source code
[03:08] <SIR_Taco> simplew: "-*- yofel is off to bed - good night folks"
[03:08] <simplew> oh ...
[03:11] <simplew> :~$ ubuntu-bug muon
[03:11] <simplew> ERROR: Could not import module, is a package upgrade in progress?  Error: No module named 'DLFCN'
[03:11] <simplew> why is this happening?
[03:19] <smj> I have a weird empty window called "Apport" which can't be closed, what process should I kill?
[03:21] <simplew> smj: ps aux|grep apport
[03:21] <simplew> smj: ps aux|grep -i apport
[03:22] <simplew> smj: and youll get the pid to kill
[03:25] <smj> thanks
[03:42] <ar9> anyone of a way to delete a bunch of pictures that all in the same way? i have a bunch of pictures that all end in *small.jpg
[03:44] <Gnosis-> Hello. It doesn't seem like this HP printer is recognized. Here is my syslog. http://bpaste.net/show/55707/
[03:45] <Gnosis-> I keep trying to print a test page but nothing happens...
[04:29] <simplew> i see that in kubuntu wasnt installed any movie player, why? isnt there a default movie player in kubuntu?
[04:34] <tsimpson> simplew: dragon player is installed by default
[04:34] <simplew> tsimpson: yes i see, but doesnt even have .flv extension associated
[04:35] <simplew> tsimpson: now i installed kmplayerand isnt able to play .flv files
[04:35] <tsimpson> .flv is flash
[04:35] <simplew> so?
[04:35] <tsimpson> so it's not a video, it's a container which needs specific codec support
[04:36] <simplew> well dragonplayer plays it
[04:36] <tsimpson> then associate dragon player with .flv
[04:36] <simplew> tsimpson: thats not the problem, the problem is that kmplayer should play .flv
[04:38] <tsimpson> simplew: report a bug then
[04:46] <LordOfTime> its probably by design it doesn't play .flv.  there's a bunch of players that "should" play $givenformat but don't.
[04:46] <LordOfTime> either that or it was an oversight by the designers.  Either way.
[04:47] <LordOfTime> its either a bug or a feature request :P
[04:47] <LordOfTime> or both
[04:54] <simplew> i think smplayer would be more apropriated to be kubuntu default player that dragon...
[04:57] <tsimpson> simplew: dragon is the one shipped by KDE, it's the one we use
[05:00] <simplew> isnt there ay .swf player ?
[05:02] <LordOfTime> <simplew> well dragonplayer plays it
[05:02] <LordOfTime> to quote you :p
[05:02] <LordOfTime> VLC i think would play them too
[05:03] <simplew> LordOfTime: these are games
[05:03]  * LordOfTime returns to dealing with one of his broken systems.
[05:03] <simplew> shckwave games
[05:03] <LordOfTime> simplew:  the web browser you use
[05:03] <simplew> ah we have gnash
[05:04] <simplew> gnash swf viewer
[05:04] <LordOfTime> web browser would work too :P
[05:05] <simplew> yeap, but i prefer a viewer instead using thebrowser
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[05:07] <tsimpson> Shockwave is not Flash, and Adobe don't support Shockwave on Linux
[05:08] <LordOfTime> shockwave's windows only last i checked their site.
[05:09] <LordOfTime> simplew:  if you want to play shockwave games, you'll need something other than Linux.  if they're Flash, then you Gnash might work.
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[05:11] <simplew> LordOfTime: i just said that previously
[05:11] <LordOfTime> you realize i don't always have logs?
[05:11] <LordOfTime> that happens with IRC sometimes :P
[05:12] <simplew> LordOfTime: hu? i said a few lines ago
[05:12] <LordOfTime> my ZNC's here, but its not sending log data.
[05:12] <LordOfTime> so if my conneciton dies i lose scrollback
[05:12]  * LordOfTime lost his connection in the past few minutes
[05:14] <simplew> is there any transcoder like Arista in kdE?
[06:28] <yoga> Hallo World, do I need to disable all the ppa before I dist-upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10?
[06:31] <tsimpson> yoga: no, the upgrade process disables them for you
[06:32] <yoga> tsimpson: thanks.
[08:17] <mickkie> Hi All, can someone please help with chainloading GRUB2 from Windows?
[08:19] <mickkie> I have a separate /boot partition ext2 and when I install grub2 it complains even when I use --force
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[10:59] <invariant> When I press Alt-F2 and type 'a' the input line has a certain height, now when I input the 'b' after it, the height is lowered.
[11:00] <invariant> How can I make it such that the height doesn't change?
[11:01] <drox_> hello i have a problem, i have to install WiIThon but don't hello i have a problem, i have to install WiIThon but don't
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[11:04] <drox_> Hello, i have installed WiiThon a program to manage backup of Wii Games only thing is that it works with Gtk there is a variant that works whit Qt?
[11:06] <drox_> Alternatively, how do i make it work on installing kde as little as possibile of Gtk? Thank's a lot
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[11:35] <hmartinet> irc://irc.otaku-irc.fr:6667/Serial_Us
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[12:01] <avihay> what is my best chance for getting an kactivities enabled browser on a near stock 12.04 or even 12.10?
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[12:07] <avihay> rekonq 1.3 won't compile against kactivities with internal version number 6.0.0, or whatever cmake makes of it
[12:16] <ovidiu-florin> hello is there a way or an application I can get on Kubuntu a screen reader that can read from firefox? I mean, I want to hear the written text, not make the font bigger, or anything like that.
[12:19] <avihay> or a better question, if you install libkactivities-dev, does /usr/lib/cmake/KActivities/KActivitiesConfig.cmake lists 6.0.0 or 6.1.0 on 12.10?
[12:20] <avihay> ovidiu-florin: I use Jovie with speak clipboard contents. it has issues though
[12:23] <woogie> Hello
[12:24] <ovidiu-florin> hello woogie
[12:26] <ovidiu-florin> thank you avihay
[12:28] <BluesKaj> howdy all
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[12:36] <oneadvent> anyone feeling giddy on fixing a problem i have with kubuntu that isn't THAT important
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[12:41] <ovidiu-florin> avihay: what issues are you reffering about?
[12:43] <avihay> I want to use a web browser that supports activities, it would really help me organize my schoolwork
[12:43] <oneadvent> like tab coloring avihay
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[12:43] <avihay> like tabgroups
[12:45] <oneadvent> i *thought* that ff tabs can be done that way with a plugin, but they use colors to group. Like if you click a link in a purple tab window the new tab would be purple too, and then I think you can define them as purple too if you open a new one
[12:45] <oneadvent> but i guess that isn't really *group* in the way you are thinking?
[12:45] <avihay> only activity sensitive
[12:46] <avihay> well, I have a plugin for FF that's called tabgroup-manager
[12:47] <avihay> it allows you to open several groups of tabs open, like news, school, reading, and everything else
[12:47] <oneadvent> sounds about right, why is it wrong?
[12:48] <avihay> I kinda abuse it, since I have over a thousand tabs "open" (some are supended, or don't load since I don't enter them)
[12:49] <avihay> I want it to automatically show me some tabgroup depending on current activity
[12:49] <avihay> well, if it's FF then I want something more complex, but for another browser, that'd be sufficient
[12:50] <oneadvent> ok well i dont know of anything like that but can i ask wtf you need 1000 tabs open?
[12:57] <avihay> well, 160 tabs are online books, comix or other such media that I read or plan to, I use that instead of keeping a reading list
[12:58] <avihay> and I have about 20 tabs in a group called make, of stuff I want to make, but I know I never will, a group for useful linux tutorials, and more and more, I really need to clean up, but I'm lazy
[13:00] <BluesKaj> I just use bookmark folders for that kind of stuff
[13:03] <avihay> I'm no good with bookmarks, they get cluttered even faster,  and I never touch them again, this way, I'm kinda forced to resort and close the extras, it also saves positions in the page and stats that can't be saved by bookmarks, but I rarly use that
[13:03] <avihay> gonna try plasma-active-browser
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[13:08] <avihay> aaand no tab support,                  I think,                    UI kinda spartan
[13:09] <oneadvent> hmm technology to organize that mess? I think bookmarks is best for the most part
[13:15] <xixor> sup
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[13:39] <pedor> hi, I'm using kubuntu 12.10 and after adding skrooge ppa it started to use only debian repository. how can i fix that?
[13:40] <OerHeks> pedor, use ppa-purge to reverse the installation of that ppa
[13:40] <OerHeks>  sudo ppa-purge  <PPa>
[13:42] <pedor> OerHeks: I think something is very strange, i can't use or install ppa-purge
[13:44] <OerHeks> That is bad, reinstall kubuntu then.
[13:45] <pedor> yes... i think it's the fast and only way, lol
[13:46] <OerHeks> I had those issues too,, hard way learning not to add any fancy PPA
[13:49] <OerHeks> financial program skroodge 1.3.0.1 is in the standard repository, not sure what version would be in that ppa
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[13:59] <pedor> it's 1.3.3
[13:59] <pedor> i hate when things like this happens
[13:59] <pedor> but, maybe it will fix another problem, kubuntu is froozing at least once a day.
[14:05] <BluesKaj> pedor, do you have the "universe" repository enabled ?
[14:06] <pedor> no, now appear a dfsg stuff
[14:21] <simplew> yofel: i cant report bugs usig ubuntu-bug, see:
[14:21] <simplew> :~$ ubuntu-bug muon
[14:21] <simplew> ERROR: Could not import module, is a package upgrade in progress?  Error: No module named 'DLFCN'
[14:27] <invariant> If every virtual desktop had a different virtual machine running, wouldn't you have basically the same as activities, except better?
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[14:28] <lordievader> invariant: How would you see that as better? You get a lot of overhead, and the performance goes down...
[14:29] <invariant> lordievader, activities are nice for the next few years, but within 5 years a solution I just described will be used.
[14:29] <lordievader> invariant: But apart from that, yes I think they are quite alike.
[14:30] <invariant> lordievader, activities are a short term solution to what's perhaps not even an actual problem.
[14:30] <lordievader> invariant: You know that kde's activities are poorly understood and used by people?
[14:30] <invariant> lordievader, for me, I would love to configure a bunch of windows in some way with some URLs open and then save that configuration in some way.
[14:30] <invariant> lordievader, but AFAIK, that's not what activities can do.
[14:31] <invariant> lordievader, in particular the part where it shouldn't store all of that in RAM.
[14:31] <invariant> lordievader, they are used poorly mostly because it's not communicated clearly why someone might want to use it in actual scenarios.
[14:40] <BluesKaj> !schedule
[14:40] <ubottu> A schedule of Raring Ringtail (13.04) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseSchedule
[14:50] <Marius80> hi
[14:50] <Marius80> I've got a problem with evolution
[14:50] <Marius80> in Kubuntu 12.04,  evolution sometimes doesn't let me type in things
[15:01] <BluesKaj> Marius80, check system settings>application appearance>gtk+appearance kde font settings etc
[15:01] <Marius80> BluesKaj, I am a little farer now... I need to explain the details:
[15:02] <xixor> bah, I give up on using mutt.  What a silly program.
[15:02] <Marius80> the bug comes up, then I use select something from a dropdown field
[15:02] <Marius80> example:
[15:02] <Marius80> There is a setup wizard on the first run
[15:02] <Marius80> I had to enter my password,  and there was a dropdown field asking for the connection type
[15:03] <Marius80> I choosed something, then I could not type any more
[15:03] <Marius80> after that,  the bug did not show up again... until....
[15:03] <Marius80> until I tried to add my signature
[15:03] <Marius80> I choosed "HTML" from the dropdown... and I could not type again
[15:03] <Marius80> the default was "PLAIN TEXT"
[15:04] <BluesKaj> setup wizard for what ?
[15:04] <Marius80> for evolution
[15:04] <Marius80> I also thought about switching to kmail,  but I am not sure if it will really be able to handle 2 accounts as well as evolution
[15:07] <BluesKaj> Marius80, sounds like you're mixing and matching kde and gnome , despite the pronouncements that they can run each other's apps staying pure to one DE or the other is a better policy IME
[15:09] <Marius80> BluesKaj, well,  until now,  it always worked (in karmic koala)
[15:09] <Marius80> since I updated (2 days ago) I have to solve over 30 problems
[15:09] <BluesKaj> like I posted above Marius80 , check you system settings gtk fonts
[15:09] <Marius80> including changes of source code, recompiling whole programs and sensing bug fixes do developers
[15:10] <Marius80> what exactly shall I check there?
[15:10] <BluesKaj> it's obvious
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[15:29] <Marius80> re
[15:29] <Marius80> BluesKaj, sorry I had a connection problem
[15:29] <Marius80> not sure what you saw... it worked out for me
[15:29] <Marius80> I had to change the used GTK theme
[15:29] <Marius80> it works with other themes
[15:31] <BluesKaj> I meant use either gtk or kde fonts , try different setings to see what works best'
[15:34] <Marius80> BluesKaj, a little question...  is it possible to get additional gtk styles?    95% of the available GTK Styles on Kubuntu 12.04  seem to look like the same,   only 3 look different and the best looking one in BLUE -  which I really dislike
[15:35] <Marius80> BluesKaj, ok can I change a GTK themes  blue color?  Then the theme would be nice
[15:39] <BluesKaj> Marius80, look at widget styles drop down in styles> apps appearance in system settings
[15:39] <BluesKaj> apps appearance>styles rather
[15:40] <Marius80> BluesKaj, I've choosen "Plastique" as Widget style"
[15:40] <Marius80> not sure if this is what we are talking about
[15:41] <Marius80> BluesKaj, by the way thank you very much for chatting with me about my problems
[15:42] <BluesKaj> what gtk+style
[15:42] <BluesKaj> about
[15:42] <BluesKaj> Marius80, no problem . glad to help if I can
[15:42] <Marius80> BluesKaj, still not sure if we are talking about the same
[15:42] <Marius80> I give a short resume
[15:43] <BluesKaj> in the widget dropdown
[15:43] <Marius80> the problem was evolution (freezing sometimes) - so I changed the GTK Style to a working one
[15:43] <Marius80> the working GTK style looks ugly,  (blue) so I wanted to change the blue color
[15:44] <Marius80> the widget style "Plastique" applies to KDE programs (afaik) and plastique is the one I would like to use
[15:44] <Marius80> not sure what I shall change now
[15:44] <Marius80> sorry bloody beginner when it comes to this stuff
[15:46] <BluesKaj> well, I stick to simple and clean looks like oxygen and blue themes like marble
[15:48] <BluesKaj> Marius80, and in windows decor , I prefe the PlastiK look
[15:48] <Marius80> I also prefer the plastique decor for windows
[15:48] <Marius80> BluesKaj, lemme ask differently:
[15:48] <Marius80> in the section "GTK+ Appearance"
[15:49] <Marius80> ah THIS is what you are talking about!!!
[15:49] <Marius80> now I got it
[15:50] <Marius80> sorry I was in the "Style" section
[15:50] <Marius80> just realised that there is also a "Widget style" dropdown under GTK+ Appearance tab
[15:50] <Marius80> I tried out all of them
[15:50] <Marius80> how can I get new styles there?
[15:50] <BluesKaj> workspace appearancs is another system settings group for desktop themes and window decor
[15:51] <BluesKaj> Workspace Appearance rather Marius80
[15:52] <Marius80> true that... however,  I think I don't really get the point
[15:52] <Marius80> only the GTK programs have an ugly theme
[15:52] <Marius80> I only wanted to download the GTK themes
[15:53] <Marius80> but I am going to search the internet
[15:53] <Marius80> thank you so far
[15:55] <BluesKaj> Marius80, then why are you running KDE ?
[15:56] <Marius80> BluesKaj, because I love KDE :)  We are just talking about the GTK styler
[15:56] <xixor> afaik, the only gtk app I run is gparted occasionally.  Is chromium gtk?
[15:57] <BluesKaj> seems you want mostly a gtk look
[15:57] <Marius80> BluesKaj, you did not understand me
[15:57] <BluesKaj> xixor, yeah I think so
[15:57] <Marius80> I want GTK look like KDE
[15:57] <Marius80> I dislike that evolution and firefox look so different
[15:57] <Obsidian1723> Say does anyone know how to get the Gnome 2 Human theme with the root beer broze colored folders into KDE?
[15:57] <BluesKaj> then choose the kde themes
[15:57] <Marius80> and xchat
[15:58] <Obsidian1723> Is there a Gnome 2 Himan theme for KDE?
[15:58] <Marius80> BluesKaj, but the original KDE theme (the GTK Style) caused evolution not to work
[15:58] <xixor> I think that it's pretty impressive that people were able to code anything with GTK
[15:58] <Marius80> that was the first problem
[15:58] <BluesKaj> xchat ? konversation is my fav xchat a distant 2nd
[15:59] <xixor> irssi
[15:59] <Marius80> xixor, +1
[15:59] <BluesKaj> irssi is ok for emergencies in the TTY
[15:59] <xixor> lol, mirc which hasn't changed since 1997 is still better than most linux GUI irc clients
[15:59] <Marius80> xixor, lol you could run it using wine :)
[16:00] <BluesKaj> well, mirc is funded ,,,they can afford to look better
[16:00] <xixor> I run a windows VM, or RDP to a windows machine, and use mirc
[16:00] <BluesKaj> yeah it works in wine ...tried a long while back
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[16:41] <dougl> why are my fonts all messed up... kmail looks good but when I try to print it the email is huge in the preview and another settings pannel (i am trying to find it now) the fonts are microscopic and too tiny to even read - any suggestions?
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[16:55] <dougl> I get 404 errors when apt-get update lists my sources - where do I correct the address in the list or delete the reference?
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[17:18] <BluesKaj> dougl, have you tried changing repository servers ?
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[17:29] <dougl> BluesKaj, thanks for the reply - I have not done anything yet... I only know of the sources.list and it contains no reference to the offending urls reported by update command
[17:30] <dougl> not sure when it happened but some gremlins got into my 12.10 install and is really acting buggy...
[17:31] <dougl> I have a font issue, printing issue and a sources issue - all came up after I installed mplayer or mplayer2... sure could use some help making my system coherent.
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[17:33] <dougl> BluesKaj, where do you change repository servers?
[17:34] <johangwbasson> The file "/etc/apt/sources.list" contains repository definitions
[17:34] <dougl> johangwbasson, thanks...
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[17:36] <dougl> BluesKaj, yes I looked in the sources.list file and it had no reference to the urls the update command was 404ing on... so where does the system get those sources from?
[17:36] <Torch> dougl: there's also /etc/apt/sources.list.d which is a directory with more sources
[17:36] <Torch> dougl: it might be empty
[17:37] <BluesKaj> dougl, open you package manager and look for repository servers
[17:41] <dougl> BluesKaj, ah!!! damn 12.10 muon's software sources option contains information displayed with a font so microscopic I cannot even use the application... this 12.10 install is going from bad to worse and I did not do anything out of the ordinary - I am not sure 12.10 is ready for prime time.
[17:42] <dougl> brb - rebooting to see if font issue persists
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[17:42] <johangwbasson> I find that the liberation font looks good in Kubuntu
[17:45] <dougl> nope - muon is too small and useless to edit sources...
[17:46] <dougl> muon uses fonts too small and useless to edit sources...
[17:47] <dougl> Torch, I found a file with the offending urls in /etc/apt/sources.list.d do I just delete it?
[17:48] <Torch> dougl: go slow with deleting stuff ;-) can't you pastebin the contents so we can have a look?
[17:49] <BluesKaj> dougl , alt+f2 , kdesudo sytemsettings , let's setup your applications that require root permissions to edit such as muon , by opening application appearnce>fonts adjust all fonts , the choose the font, font style , and fonts ize , apply and that should make a diference in readability.
[17:50] <BluesKaj> excpt for my spelling readability :)
[17:50]  * BluesKaj was trying to type as quickly as possible before dougl started to delete stuff
[17:52] <dougl> lol - thanks guys... using pastebin for torch then gonna follow BluesKaj's font suggestions
[17:52] <BluesKaj> I wish setting the fonts was global including root permissions , having to do it twice is royal pain
[17:53] <dougl> Torch, http://pastebin.com/zvrHC59u
[17:54] <dougl> BluesKaj, kdesudo sytemsettings has no apparent effect... is it because system setting is already opened?
[17:54] <BluesKaj> dougl, drop the .d and see what lists
[17:55] <BluesKaj> dougl, kdesudo systemsettings ..I mis-spelled
[17:55] <BluesKaj> sorry
[17:56] <dougl> kdesudo systemsettings = system settings with microscopic fonts...
[17:58] <lorenzo_> ciao a tutti
[17:58] <BluesKaj> !it | lorenzo_
[17:58] <ubottu> lorenzo_: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it » senza virgolette)
[17:58] <dougl> BluesKaj, is http://pastebin.com/5sHkCMMa what you wanted to know by dropping the d ?
[18:01] <BluesKaj> dougl,  ca.archive.ubuntu.com is a stable server, I don't get the 404 response to your updates
[18:02] <dougl> BluesKaj, Ok - great, thanks... err where do I set that up?
[18:03] <dougl> lol
[18:03] <BluesKaj> it's already setup in your sources.list ..it shouildn't be giving a not found response
[18:04] <dougl> oh... :( so my system is still a borked box of linux packages?
[18:05] <dougl> brb did that font change with no effect - restarting x
[18:07] <BluesKaj> dougla, you don't have borked packages if apt didn't download them from the repositories
[18:08] <BluesKaj> err dougl ^
[18:08] <BluesKaj> or dpkg rather
[18:09] <dougl> BluesKaj, not sure if borked it the right word... but my box is definitly broken... still cannot read fonts on kdesu systemsettings
[18:09] <BluesKaj> ok ...bbiab , gotta check the other OSs on this pc
[18:10] <dougl> k - later = thanks for the help appreciate it :)
[18:12] <BluesKaj> kdesudo systemsettings is a run command which opens system settings as root rather than user , so any font settings you set in applications appearance and saved by clicking apply should have been saved .
[18:12] <BluesKaj> ok BBL
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[18:15] <dougl> not too sure what to say... fonts are broken, sources are broken and printing from kmail is broken - seems like a broken box?
[18:15] <dougl> how do we define broken these days - I thot is used to mean a box that was not doing what it was supposed to do?
[18:26] <BluesKaj> ok, no upgrades on 12.10 or W7
[18:27] <dougl> ?
[18:27] <BluesKaj> I mean none available
[18:27] <dougl> updates.
[18:28] <BluesKaj> update first then upgrade , update merely makes the upgrades available it doesn't install remove or upgrade anything
[18:28] <dougl> right
[18:30] <dougl> so why is it my sources list works on your machine but 404's for some on mine?
[18:31] <BluesKaj> I'm running a toolchain release of 13.04 on this partition/test drive, that's whay i had to leqave to check 12.10 and W7 . 12.10 is on different partiton and W7 is on a differnt HDD
[18:31] <dougl> gotcha
[18:32] <BluesKaj> maybe you have some 12.04 ppas still listed
[18:32] <BluesKaj> like the xbmc ppa
[18:33] <dougl> formated the partition before I installed (half a dozen times) but kept the /home mounted partition
[18:33] <BluesKaj> that's what the /etc/apt/sources.list.d contains
[18:33] <dougl> I added the xbmc ppa and then that is when I noticed the 404s
[18:34] <dougl> I should have never pushed for xbmc on this machine... linux has never been a good media center machine for me
[18:35] <dougl> /etc/apt/sources.list.d is a 12.04 thing?
[18:36] <BluesKaj> kubuntu here works as a media center on this pc ...but you don't need xbmc for that . VLC is way less obtrusive and just as easy to setup
[18:37] <BluesKaj>  /etc/apt/sources.list.d is a file path to directory , they hardly ever change from one release to another
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[18:38] <dougl> BluesKaj, I thot vlc was some ugly windows app that would look shitty on a big 62" tv?
[18:39] <dougl> windows = windowed
[18:39] <BluesKaj> dougl, if you're going set up a media pc , using the hdmi out to a stereo or a tv is the easiest way to go , you can set that up in phonon and pavucontrol
[18:39] <BluesKaj> and alsamixer
[18:40] <dougl> BluesKaj, the hdmi out will have no tearing?
[18:40] <BluesKaj> dougl well , my tv is a 42" plasma and I use it as a pc monitor as well
[18:41] <dougl> No command 'phonon' found, did you mean:
[18:41] <dougl>  Command 'photon' from package 'photon'
[18:41] <BluesKaj> dougl, that depends on you graphics gpu and your cpu
[18:41] <BluesKaj> phonon is in system settings >multimedia
[18:42] <dougl> I have a asus nvidia gt520 and a core 2 duo
[18:43] <BluesKaj> phonon is strictly for audio settings , the video settings are best setup in the player like VLKC
[18:44] <dougl> BluesKaj, and my mce remote will work on this config?
[18:44] <BluesKaj> dougl, then you should be fine , I have a 8400gs and it's not as capable as your gt520
[18:45] <dougl> VLKC = vlc?
[18:45] <BluesKaj> yup
[18:45] <BluesKaj> another phat phingered typo
[18:46] <dougl> we are all good :) = fat fingers here too... just happen to be backspace proficient - lol
[18:47] <BluesKaj> http://www.ehow.com/how_7335239_control-vlc-media-center-remote.html
[18:48] <dougl> I run vlc here and I get a command prompt... lol
[18:48]  * dougl reading http://www.ehow.com/how_7335239_control-vlc-media-center-remote.html
[18:48] <BluesKaj> open a terminal , sudo apt-get install vlc
[18:50] <dougl> I already did sudo apt-get install vlc-nox cuz system suggested it = ok?
[18:51]  * dougl did sudo apt-get install vlc too
[18:52] <BluesKaj> dougl, for laptops yeah
[18:54] <dougl> so can you vlc full screen with no window decorations?
[18:54] <BluesKaj> yes
[18:54] <xixor> you can even run it in a window without any decorations
[18:55] <BluesKaj> full screem , move the mouse and you get a small indicator at the bottom with the usual controls
[18:57] <BluesKaj> full screem for horror movies , full screen for most others :)
[18:58] <dougl> lol - looking for vlc remote control plugin
[19:01] <tsimpson> it comes with several already, including telnet and web
[19:04] <BluesKaj> dougl, look in tools>preferences>show settings , choose all, then under interface , choose control interfaces, then infrared remote control interface
[19:07] <BluesKaj> I just use a wireless KB and mouse , but I don't use a tv tuner on my pc
[19:08] <dougl> yeah - I was thinkign of kb and mouse but already had my microsoft remote from mythtv and vdr days and other than a select or ok button it worked out of the box on xbmc
[19:10] <dougl> prolly end up getting a kb and mouse... really just a mouse would do it - I'd have to figer out vlc tho  first
[19:10] <BluesKaj> ma bell supplies my tv signals , so i have more remotes than enough
[19:11] <BluesKaj> one thing about vlc , it doesn't tkae over your whole pc , altho i do understand why xbmc is so popular on HTPCs
[19:13] <dougl> I don't think I like xbmc's behavior but it does have a nice polished finish
[19:13] <BluesKaj> I tried it xbmc for a while it worked great once it was setup , but it just too many menu levels for my liking ...very reminiscent of windows media type all in one players
[19:13] <dougl> I would like to run one server on the tv and another server for my desktop (tv upstairs and monitor downstairs
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[19:15] <dougl> yeah - all I want to do is play my downloaded mkv files and avi - well all my downloaded content that the mac or windows gets fussy about... always just works on linux
[19:15] <dougl> BluesKaj, you'd know... what happend to xorg.conf - where I used to set up my displays as seperate x servers?
[19:16] <BluesKaj> wish genii was around today , he really knows his stuff about networking media
[19:17] <dougl> no worries here - I don't need/want to get anything done... just enjoying the company :)
[19:18] <dougl> well - wish my kmail printing worked and I did not have font issues... that is ok tho just gives me incentive for 12.04
[19:18] <dougl> 13.04
[19:18] <dougl> not 12.04
[19:18] <BluesKaj> it's still in existence but not by default , in most cases it has to be created , and with nvidia it's dropping to TTY (ctrl+alt+F1 or 2 , then sudo service lihjtdm stop , then sudo nvivia-xconfig , then startx
[19:18] <BluesKaj> lightdm
[19:19] <yofel> without nvidia it's still Xorg -configure I think, or just write it yourself it you know how to
[19:19] <BluesKaj> sudo nvidia-xconfig
[19:19] <yofel> *if you
[19:19]  * BluesKaj needs to take a break for a few mins ...bbl
[19:20] <dougl> enjoy
[19:22] <dougl> yofel, I have not done a manual xorg.conf in years... I would surely fek it up, but I am tempted to let nvidia do it
[19:22] <yofel> sure, should work
[19:23] <dougl> the way my box has been on a steady decline I think it best to wait til I have a few days in case I mess somethign up
[19:31] <BluesKaj> dougl, sudo nvidia-config will actually stabilize the graphics settings to some degree on your pc
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[19:56] <ScottyK> Greetings! Currently I have an Nvidia 8600 GT video Card. Just bought a new Nvidia GT 630. Do I have to uninstall the nivida driver first, or simply swap cards? Thanks!
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[20:30] <ScottyK> Greetings! Currently I have an Nvidia 8600 GT video Card. Just bought a new Nvidia GT 630. Do I have to uninstall the nivida driver first, or simply swap cards? Thanks!
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[21:36] <em> are there any open source applications for making music like electronic dance music or dubstep?
[21:36] <em> like an open source version of fruit loops or something?
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[22:13] <simplew> how can i change the lightdm theme?
[22:16] <simplew> yofel: hi
[22:16] <yofel> system settings -> login manager (lightdm)
[22:17] <simplew> yofel: listen this, im using ubity gretter, but after i enter the apssword the images are the ones from kde
[22:18] <simplew> yofel: since in lightdm.conf i have: greeter-session=unity-greeter
[22:18] <yofel> the login animation is ksplashx if I remember correctly
[22:18] <simplew> yofel: and where is that
[22:18] <simplew> foudn it
[22:18] <yofel> workspace appearance -> splash screen
[22:27] <simplew> yofel: do you know whats the dir where kspash themes are isntalled?
[22:27] <yofel> /usr/share/kde4/apps/ksplash/Themes/
[22:28] <simplew> :)
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[22:36] <pouletenfeu> is anyone alive
[22:37] <pouletenfeu> oh, guess not..
[22:38] <L3top> !ask | pouletenfeu
[22:38] <ubottu> pouletenfeu: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[22:38] <Obsidian1723> It also helps to wait longer than a minute.
[22:39] <pouletenfeu> GOD DAMMIT
[22:44] <yofel> ...
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[23:01] <simplew> yofel: that problem of restarting network-manager service and get more entries, doesnt appear anymore since i build new NM-0.9.7.0 and without those patches, i beleive that the problem is caused by some of those patches
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[23:17] <svspl> which packages do I need for Power Management in KDE to work?
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