2012/12/23/#ubuntu-beginners.txt

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[09:48] <Dabo_> I have ubuntu 12.04 lts installed with windows 7, I believe it is dual booting, but I think it is wubi. Anyways, it is in a seperate partion. I want to remove it and re-install ubuntu into a bigger space, and all. My question is, will it harm my computer to remove/format the partition that ubuntu is in and then install ubuntu again using a live cd?
[09:51] <Dabo_> Actually, never mind, sorry. I can't really stay up any later tonight, I will come back in teh morning
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[18:12] <Dabo_> I currently have Ubuntu 12.04 installed dual booting with windows 7, in a separate partion. I believe I used the wubi installer. My question is will it harm my computer if I just format the ubuntu partion? And if it will not, would it be a better idea to use windows or to use a live cd with gparted to format it. Last time I used gparted to edit my system, windows freaked out and checked all the disks, but it booted up fine.
[18:13] <Dabo_> I do have a backup of all my data in ubuntu stored in windows. And after formating the partion I would want to re install ubuntu using a live cd.
[18:15] <coalwater> Dabo_: there's one concern
[18:15] <coalwater> Dabo_: it might ruin ur boot
[18:15] <Dabo_> windows boot?
[18:15] <coalwater> Dabo_: do u use grub or windows boot
[18:15] <Dabo_> I use windows bootloader currently, but if Grub will be able to boot into windows, then I am fine with using it.
[18:16] <Dabo_> Would installing with a live CD install grub?>
[18:16] <coalwater> Dabo_: if you want to login into ubuntu do u go windows boot > grub > ubuntu ?
[18:16] <Dabo_> It usually goes directly from windows boot to ubuntu
[18:16] <Dabo_> And currently I have a totally messed up ubuntu system, that I just want to format and then re install correctly.
[18:17] <coalwater> if you're going to reinstall i suppose ubuntu will update the grub after installation anyway
[18:17] <coalwater> i was thinking ull remove ubuntu for good
[18:19] <Dabo_> Ah, yes. I am not sure if I currently have grub, because I used the windows installer. Part of the thing is just removing Ubuntu that was installed through windows, and then getting a real version of ubuntu that actually uses the amount of space I can give it.
[18:19] <coalwater> wait wait, is ubuntu a file under windows? or ext4 partition ?
[18:20] <Dabo_> it is in a nfts partion.
[18:20] <Dabo_> but I believe I used the downloadable windows installer
[18:20] <coalwater> in windows u see ubuntu as one huge file?
[18:20] <coalwater> .img i think ?
[18:20] <coalwater> or something
[18:20] <Dabo_> I see the root.disk in a seperate hard disk,
[18:20] <coalwater> yea i understand now
[18:20] <Dabo_> like I have C:, B:, and a ubuntu drive
[18:21] <coalwater> u should find ubuntu in the add/remove inside windows
[18:21] <coalwater> check that
[18:21] <Dabo_> I tried that, and it didn't really do anything
[18:21] <Dabo_> I will get hte error
[18:21] <coalwater> ok u can delete it manually and partition, but ull need to update the boot.ini manually, can u do that ?
[18:22] <coalwater> or nvm, grub will update it
[18:22] <Dabo_> Ok, so it would be safe to just format the ubuntu drive? if I am re installing ubuntu using a live CD
[18:23] <Dabo_> oh, and the windows uninstaller says "An error occured while trying to uninstall Ubuntu. You do not have access to L:\ubuntu\uninstall-wubi.ece.
[18:24] <coalwater> hmm well idk about the windows uninstaller, but i think u can just ignore it, u can format the partition but when booting choosing ubuntu will fail, until u update the boot.ini or install the new ubuntu
[18:25] <Dabo_> ok
[18:25] <Dabo_> But booting into windows will work?
[18:25] <coalwater> yea it should work just fine
[18:25] <Dabo_> Ok, thank you.
[18:25] <Dabo_> BTW currently ubuntu won't boot anyways :P
[18:25] <coalwater> ok lets talk about that if u have time
[18:25] <Dabo_> I messed it up using GParted.
[18:25] <coalwater> what do u get when trying to boot
[18:26] <Dabo_> a message about the file windows failed to start." and the file /ubuntu/winboot/wubildr.mbr was missing or corrupt. I can't remember exactly
[18:27] <Dabo_> That is because I had moved and expanded the ubuntu partion in a live CD
[18:27] <coalwater> ok maybe because the partition letter changed
[18:27] <Dabo_> I am going to format the Ubuntu partion now, though.
[18:28] <coalwater> btw u can mount the image file in live cd
[18:28] <coalwater> if u need any files
[18:28] <Dabo_> That is how I made a backup :)
[18:28] <coalwater> did u try to update the gurb from there?
[18:28] <coalwater> after mounting
[18:28] <Dabo_> I didn't,
[18:28] <coalwater> could be a last try, if u still want to keep it
[18:29] <Dabo_> I would rather, at this point just re install it.
[18:29] <coalwater> yea, ok, good luck
[18:29] <Dabo_> because I think also that I want to create a swap partion, and have the ubuntu drive be a around 50gb instead of 20
[18:30] <Dabo_> oh, and one more thing
[18:30] <coalwater> how comfortable are u with partitioning and stuff
[18:30] <Dabo_> Will it work for me to create the drive for ubuntu to be in in windows? or would that mess up the live CD install
[18:31] <coalwater> this is still the same method u already have
[18:31] <coalwater> an image file inside windows
[18:31] <Dabo_> I meen, will it install into NTFS, or does it need ext4.
[18:32] <Dabo_> image file? Would GParted see that as a drive?
[18:32] <coalwater> nope
[18:32] <Dabo_> it does see ubuntu as a drive though...
[18:32] <coalwater> cause u created the ubuntu image file in a separate partition
[18:32] <Dabo_> http://i48.tinypic.com/1orwjq.png
[18:32] <Dabo_> the root.disk is in a seperate partion
[18:32] <coalwater> yea
[18:33] <Dabo_> that is on the live CD
[18:33] <coalwater> there's a partition called ubuntu, that has the image file
[18:33] <Dabo_> yes
[18:33] <Dabo_> I just want to format that partion
[18:33] <Dabo_> now
[18:33] <coalwater> do it lol
[18:33] <coalwater> but if there's nothing else other than ubuntu, try ext4
[18:34] <Dabo_> Would it be better to delete it in windows? And then create an ext4 with the live CD?
[18:34] <coalwater> and u might want to split a 4gb swap after it
[18:34] <coalwater> doesn't matter much
[18:34] <Dabo_> or to just let it install into a windows NTFS. Ok
[18:34] <coalwater> why do u want it to be ntfs
[18:34] <Dabo_> I am just saying, that is what windows makes it
[18:35] <coalwater> dont install from wubi
[18:35] <coalwater> boot from the cd
[18:35] <Dabo_> I don't need it to be either one, that is what I am asking.
[18:35] <Dabo_> I will
[18:35] <Dabo_> Part of me re installing it is so that I can have it installed via live CD instead of windows wubi
[18:36] <coalwater> if u want to try u can try virtual box image and install on it
[18:36] <coalwater> to try the experience without playing with ur system
[18:36] <Dabo_> virtual box image?
[18:36] <coalwater> u know virtual box right ?
[18:37] <Dabo_> yes, I think so.
[18:38] <coalwater> it's easy, u can play with a test image and do w/e you want
[18:38] <Dabo_> ah, I see.
[18:38] <Dabo_> I just deleted the Ubuntu partion, I think I will boot up into the live CD now to install.
[18:39] <coalwater> okay, good luck
[18:43] <Dabo-> Rebooting in to my live cd now,
[18:55] <coalwater> Dabo-: o,forgot  u can use the internet while using the live cd lol
[18:57] <Dabo-> I have a question. Using the ubuntu installer I have made a ext4 partion and a swap partion when I click install now, it asks me to define a root file system.
[19:00] <Dabo_> Sorry D:
[19:00] <Dabo_> Disconnected accidentally
[19:06] <Dabo_> It is installing.
[19:14] <coalwater> Dabo_: did u choose the root partition ?
[19:19] <Dabo_> I just installed it and it fails to boot. I fixed that this by telling it to mount sda7 as /
[19:20] <Dabo_> But now I still can't boot into ubuntu
[19:21] <Dabo_> Would that be because I selected sda7 as where to install the bootloader?
[19:27] <coalwater> Dabo_: what do u get when u boot
[19:29] <Dabo_> Option to boot into windows or ubuntu, in the windows bootloader
[19:29] <Dabo_> Ubuntu produces the same error as before
[19:30] <Dabo_> I can boot into windows
[19:38] <Dabo_> I an currently in ubuntu live CD.
[19:40] <Dabo_> It works now :D. Thanks, bye.!
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[21:30] <Dabo__> Back, that didn't work
[21:32] <Dabo__> I am stuck in unity2d, I guess.
[21:34] <Dabo__> I think that compiz was the program that ubuntu had to restart before I Force shut down using REISUB
[21:37] <Dabo__> should I try unity --reset ?
[21:37] <coalwater> just unity
[21:38] <coalwater> or nit
[21:38] <coalwater> not
[21:39] <Dabo_> Back
[21:39] <Dabo_> when I did unity
[21:40] <Dabo_> It goes all weird, with no gray bars above any windows
[21:41] <Dabo_> then It tells me that compiz has crashed
[21:41] <Dabo_> and I have to log out using the upper right hand button and log back in to fix
[21:45] <Dabo_> Sorry about that, XChat just crashed
[21:54] <Dabo_> This is the output of unity --log=LOG.txt --verbose I pasted log.txt into a pastebin
[21:54] <Dabo_> http://pastebin.com/4khBuygi
[23:55] <ICU> hello
[23:55] <ICU> can someone help me pls
[23:56] <mysteriousdaren> ICU: yes ask your question
[23:57] <ICU> i am triing to instal wine or PlayOnLinux , but everything i doo get's to an error
[23:59] <ICU> http://pastebin.com/R49XGpN2 this is an example