2015/04/27/#kubuntu.txt

[00:00] <pkulas> stoocot : I will test it out
[00:02] <pkulas> brb
[00:03] <stoocot> to be precise: 3 different default levels for 3 supply scenarios
[00:07] <pkulas> stoocot : Thanks, it works
[00:07] <stoocot> spoko :)
[00:07] <darthanubis> ralgozino: that was fixed a month ago?
[00:07] <darthanubis> where is it?
[00:08] <pkulas> any idea how to start new session when i login ? After I restart system, it opens all apps running before shutdown
[00:10] <ralgozino> darthanubis: I have no clue
[00:11] <darthanubis> :(
[00:11] <stoocot> pkulas: sottsystemsettings>
[00:11] <stoocot> pkulas: soor]]
[00:11] <stoocot> dark room mistake ;)
[00:13] <stoocot> systemsettings>start/stop>desktop session>login>start with empty session (translated on-the-fly) don't know english labels
[00:14] <pkulas> thanks
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[01:03] <SirSean> hello
[01:04] <SirSean> Anyone kn ow how to change the animation speed in Kubuntu 15.04? It seems like it is missing
[01:05] <ahoneybun> SirSean: for the wallpaper?
[01:06] <SirSean> no just the desktop effects in general
[01:07] <SirSean> ahoneybun: No, Just the desktop effects in general.
[01:07] <ahoneybun> SirSean: let me check on my install
[01:09] <ahoneybun> any effect in general?
[01:10] <SirSean> all of them
[01:10] <SirSean> there used to be the global thing in KDE 4
[01:12] <ahoneybun> might still be a wip
[01:12]  * ahoneybun can't find the keys for cube animation as well
[01:12] <SirSean> wip?
[01:12] <SirSean> oh
[01:12] <SirSean> work in progress
[01:13] <ahoneybun> yaea
[01:13] <ahoneybun> some features might be missing
[01:13] <SirSean> I still think that KDE 5 has that feature... just not Kubuntu?
[01:13] <SirSean> hmmm
[01:13] <SirSean> UNINSTALL
[01:14] <ahoneybun> Kubuntu is vanilla KDE
[01:14] <JMichaelX> with onboard intel graphics, and the i915 driver, i have no desktop effects at all under OpenGL
[01:14] <SirSean> I used KDE in Arch Linux and it had it
[01:15] <SirSean> KDE 5 that is
[01:16] <SirSean> I miss the glory days of KDE 3.5
[01:16] <SirSean> new topic
[01:18] <SirSean> KDE 3.XX > (KDE 4.XX = KDE 5.xx)
[01:18] <SirSean> that's the facf jakc
[01:18] <SirSean> thanks for the help
[01:18] <SirSean> see ya
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[02:12] <rooly> #ubuntu is being completely unhelpful, does anybody know why pci-stub refuses to load before the radeon module?
[02:12] <rooly> this is only a thing since the 15.04 update
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[03:33] <N3X15> Any ideas on how to get the "breeze dark" theme to skin the taskbar?  Selecting that in System Settings > Desktop Theme just makes it turn white-on-white, even after fiddling around in the Colors menu.  I'm on 15.04.
[04:04] <Brendan__> Is this a place where I can get quick help with an issue?
[04:57] <lolmaus_> How do i prevent Vivid from locking my computer due to inactivity? I've disabled everything under Power Management but it still locks when i watch Youtube. :(
[04:58] <imatefx> lolmaus_: System Settings -> Desktop Behaviour ->  Screen Locking
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[05:55] <hyper_ch> so, opened a bug report about my locale settings troubles
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[06:22] <wldcordeiro> So it seems that notify-osd will get stuck and sometimes if you lock or suspend your computer the login screen shown is the fallback and not the kde/sddm one.
[06:22] <wldcordeiro> This is on 15.04
[06:28] <Etriaph> I haven't run into that yet.
[06:29] <Etriaph> sddm doesn't always behave though, that's for sure.
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[08:02] <alvin> hyper_ch: Can you give the bug number? I'v struggled with locales too. Eventually got them 'acceptable' by using only /etc/defaults/locale
[08:02] <alvin> Is there still a netbook mode in plasma5?
[08:08] <PhilippeP> alvin: I checked yesterday and the netbook package is still kde4 so so far , there's no netbook mode in plasma5
[08:09] <alvin> Could that not be intentional? I was under the impression that plasma5 would somehow incorporate the netbook mode, but I don't know whether it is finished, or where I can find it
[08:12] <PhilippeP> No idea!
[08:20] <ejay> Good morning. Is it possible to install KDE4 dev libs in Kubuntu 15.04?
[08:21] <luc4> Hello! Anyone who can help? My system is not starting KDE anymore. When the login screen is supposed to be shown a black screen appears. The only thing I can see in xorg logs is https://paste.kde.org/pwx4lwhjy.
[08:23] <ejay> luc4, did you try to remove xorg.conf file?
[08:24] <slava__> Добрый день! В Kubuntu 15.04 Plasma 5.2.2 нет иконок скайпа, dropbox и т..д   в системном лотке. Есть простое решение?
[08:25] <luc4> ejay: no, I can try.
[08:25] <luc4> ejay: am I supposed to use sddm or lightdm?
[08:25] <ejay> luc4, does not matter. just get rid of xorg.conf.
[08:25] <PhilippeP> luc4: if nvidia (but id does not seem to be the case), go to another tty and install nvidia-340
[08:25] <luc4> ejay: nothing changed
[08:26] <luc4> ejay: a new one was created automatically
[08:26] <luc4> PhilippeP: yes, nvidia
[08:26] <ejay> luc4, is it intel gpu?
[08:26] <luc4> ejay: nvidia
[08:26] <luc4> and yes, I think something nvidia related was just installed before this issue
[08:27] <luc4> PhilippeP: should I uninstall something else nvidia-related?
[08:27] <ejay> luc4, hmmm... I'm using intel and AFAIK xorg is detecting your hardware and settings and xorg is not needed anymore. At least in my case xorg.conf is always cousing problems.
[08:29] <PhilippeP> luc4: then you should try to install nvidia-340 driver
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[08:29] <luc4> PhilippeP: but is that the closed source nvidia driver?
[08:29] <luc4> PhilippeP: I’ve always been using nouveau
[08:30] <PhilippeP> luc4: yes ... i do not know if Nouveau does not have problems with plasma5 ...
[08:31] <luc4> PhilippeP: can I switch to nouveau from command line? I think that may be the problem. Plasma 5 was ok with nouveau I think.
[08:32] <luc4> PhilippeP: I think you got the problem https://paste.kde.org/prmqlsyau
[08:32] <PhilippeP> luc4: I've always used closed source driver so far ... so no idea ...
[08:34] <slava__> Добрый день! В Kubuntu 15.04 Plasma 5.2.2 нет иконок скайпа, dropbox и т..д   в системном лотке. Есть простое решение?
[08:38] <hyper_ch> slava__: you'll have more luck with English or try #kubuntu-ru
[08:40] <ronald> Hi, where is the best place to report bugs on kubuntu 15.04? I updated last week and have a few annoying issues related to my dual screen setup (laptop with second external display).
[08:40] <jubo2> slava__: Добрии день. Было бы возмозно вапросит по англискии?
[08:40] <slava__> Ок!
[08:41] <slava__> Good day ! In Kubuntu 15.04 Plasma 5.2.2 no icons Skype , dropbox and t..d in the system tray . There is a simple solution?
[08:42] <ronald> All my icons went missing on upgrade also, but you can easily drag them there from the menu ... :)
[08:43] <ronald> just search for your program an drag the icon in your taskbar. You will need to unlock it first though, oterwise icons will not stick
[08:44] <slava__> Just tried - did not work ......
[08:46] <slava__> СПАСИБО!!!!
[08:46] <slava__> work!
[08:47] <slava__> Thank you very much !
[08:48] <jubo2> slava__: позалста.. though I didn't do much
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[08:55] <luc4> PhilippeP: it seems I am able to make KDE run now. Something is still not ok but it is a start. Thanks.
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[08:56] <PhilippeP> luc4: you're welcome
[08:58] <luc4> Anyone who knows any possible reason why sddm may not start my login screen at boot?
[08:59] <luc4> If I switch VT, login and then startx KDE starts. But not automatically...
[09:01] <jubo2> Hi.
[09:02] <jubo2> I cannot activate WiFi, at all
[09:02] <jubo2> trying to click the checkbox the checkbox remains gray
[09:02] <jubo2> is it some firmware thing again. I chose the install non-free in the installation proces
[09:02] <jubo2> pls help, need wifi
[09:04] <jubo2> so I need to know what kind of WiFi chip I have and use that to 'sudo apt install the_firmware' someone tells me in another channel
[09:04] <soee> jubo2: so you can not interact with this checkbox ?
[09:05] <jubo2> soee: I cannot. It stays gray. Airplane state checkbox just next to it works
[09:06] <pkulas> jubo2 : Try open Drive Manager, maybe there your wifi driver will show to install
[09:06] <pkulas> Driver Manager*
[09:07] <PhilippeP> jubo2: lspci should help you find chip , or lshw
[09:09] <jubo2> PhilippeP: I'm not seeing a Wifi line in 'lspci' output
[09:10] <jubo2> That or it is that '02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 (rev 35) '
[09:10] <jubo2> coz the Ethernet controller is another line
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[09:11] <jubo2> pkulas: drive manager did not list anything related to Wifi
[09:11] <jubo2> *driver
[09:15] <jubo2> I'm stuck with no wifi :(
[09:15] <pkulas> jubo2 : pastebin output from rfkill list all
[09:16] <jubo2> maybe I have accidentally moved the slider that controls whether any radio is on
[09:17] <jubo2> yep
[09:18] <jubo2> now it works that I put the thing in right position. Sry for not realizing to check this
[09:27] <anavarre> hi there - with kubuntu 15.04 I see the 'attach as tab' feature is gone. Does anybody know if it's permanent or simply part of things that need to be polished/ported with Plasma 5?
[09:30] <madeti> anavarre: https://community.kde.org/Plasma/5.3_Errata ,does this help?
[09:31] <anavarre> madeti: unfortunately it doesn't but I didn't know about that page and this would have been a good place to track this
[09:32] <anavarre> madeti: unless 'window tabs' is what I'm referring to?
[09:33] <madeti> anavarre: I think that is it
[09:34] <anavarre> madeti: aha, in that case it's me calling it differently and it does help then - thank you
[09:34] <madeti> :)
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[09:44] <pkulas> Is Plasma Media Center is backports ppa?
[09:44] <pkulas> in*
[09:59] <luc4> Hello! I had troubles with graphics driver on kubuntu 15.04 and I got in a situation where the login screen is not shown at boot. I just see a couple of lines in the shell but the login screen does not appear. If I startx from another VT my KDE session starts. Anyone with an idea of what I could do to make the login screen start at boot?
[10:05] <yossarianuk> can't decide for my work desktop.... Debian 8 or Kubuntu 15.04....
[10:05] <yossarianuk> I have 15.04 @ home, One issue is no X2go with plasma5 (yet)...
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[10:17] <qdata> 15.04 should have not been released to satisfy some arbitrary time schedule; it is just not ready to be called release imho
[10:17] <qdata> I tried an install last night and within 20 mins it was a crash box so I dumped it
[10:18] <qdata> not going to waste any time on it meself
[10:23] <s_20> yossarianuk: well, if you stick with debian stable you won't see plasma 5 within the next 2 years ;)
[10:23] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[10:23] <yossarianuk> s_20: been running kubuntu 15.04 for about 4 weeks @ home  - it is more for work I am undecided ...
[10:23] <s_20> at home i use debian unstable (for nearly 10 years now) though, hardly ever had any serious issues, only when there were bigger transitions (like the infamous debian c++ abi transition...)
[10:24] <s_20> at work it's ubuntu, because i can't really have any serious issues, if it can be avoided
[10:25] <yossarianuk> I meant running debian stable @ work  - Deb 8 is fairly up to date (newer than Ubuntu LTS.)
[10:25] <BluesKaj> plasma 5.3 is mucking up my desktop backgtound, guess I should have stuck with plasma 5.2
[10:25] <yossarianuk> plasma5.3 however fixes the login screen (with nvidia)
[10:26] <BluesKaj> I have nvidia and never had any login scrn probs
[10:26] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: i.e the login screen is stretched on both screens
[10:27] <yossarianuk> (this is with nvidia binary driver)
[10:28] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk, not here , I use  a large monitor/TV since this pc is my media /HT server
[10:28] <BluesKaj> yeah the 340 driver here
[10:29] <lordievader> Goede middag.
[10:29] <lordievader> Err that should be 'good afternoon'...
[10:29] <yossarianuk> 346 driver here - 2 screen (different type on monitor)
[10:30] <BluesKaj> altho the apps are working fine size-wise , 1/4 of the backround is cut off on the left side of the screen
[10:31] <lordievader> BluesKaj: After a change of resolution?
[10:31] <BluesKaj> no changes
[10:32] <lordievader> Hmm, I had that after changing resolution. Fix for me was setting the position option different.
[10:39] <virtual_> Wow I installed the new Kubuntu 15:04 with kde5, I am excited, really beautiful.
[10:39] <virtual_> Fast and responsive, I'm very happy.
[10:39] <virtual_> Has anyone tried it?
[10:39] <virtual_> what do you think?
[10:40] <lordievader> virtual_: It's quite a change, isn't?
[10:41] <virtual_> what do you mean?
[10:42] <lordievader> Plasma4 vs Plasma5 ;)
[10:42] <tron71> Hi, I've just installed Kubuntu 15.04 64bit and also skype from the canonical repository
[10:42] <tron71> but I get the infamous error, when I launch it
[10:42] <tron71> skype: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:42] <tron71> however, that library seems to be installed
[10:42] <tron71> I never experienced problems with skype with previous versions of kubuntu...
[10:43] <tron71> any clue?
[10:43] <patrick_> Kubuntu 15.04 with two monitors, its working but the second screen flickers during startup and whenever I make a change in system settings.
[10:43] <pkulas> tron71 : install skype from .deb file from their website
[10:44] <tron71> done that as well... it's the same version, and I get the same problem...
[10:44] <pkulas> strange, for myself it works, maybe that repository with skype broken that
[10:45] <tron71> do you have a 64bit system?
[10:50] <patrick_> Kubuntu 15.04 with two monitors, its working but the second screen flickers during startup and whenever I make a change in system settings.
[10:52] <tron71> pkulas: I found the problem
[10:52] <tron71> it was related to nvidia
[10:52] <tron71> http://askubuntu.com/questions/257897/error-loading-libgl-so-1
[10:52] <tron71> this has solved the issue
[10:52] <tron71> :)
[11:04] <pkulas> tron71 : :)
[11:06] <tron71> I installed bumblebee right after the installation, and then I installed skype
[11:06] <tron71> probably that was the original problem...
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[11:23] <everyUserOwnLang> hello guys ... i am using KUBUNTU 15.04 and its amazing! Is it possible to give different users KDE in their language, how do you do this correctly? i didnt find good answers on the net yet?
[11:26] <hateball> everyUserOwnLang: You need to install the l10n packages needed, then every user can choose their prefered language
[11:26] <alvin> everyUserOwnLang: I don't know by heart, but those users have to set their own locales. In their shell. Maybe it's possible for them to set it in KDE's "region and language settins"
[11:27] <hateball> You could even choose at the login manager, but the packages need to be installed by root
[11:30] <everyUserOwnLang> how to configure th elogin manager to offer this oportunity?
[11:46] <alvin> I wanted to look it up, but ssdm comes without man pages
[11:47] <alvin> sddm I mean
[11:55] <BluesKaj> alvin, what is it that you want to configure on sddm, don't think there's much to configure
[11:56] <alvin> Not me. everyUserOwnLang wanted to see the language selector. I remember that feature from KDM, but wouldn't know how to configure it on sddm.
[11:56] <alvin> But since you're asking. How to remove the battery status from sddm :-)
[11:57] <alvin> It says 0% battery remaining, which is pretty normal on a desktop without battery.
[11:58] <BluesKaj> what battery status ...sddm is merely the login display manager , that's all
[11:59] <BluesKaj> the desktop environment and kwin is resonsible for the what appears on your screen after logging in
[11:59] <BluesKaj> plasma 5
[12:04] <Zerkalerka> Hey guys, fresh install, trying to dpkg the dropbox.deb file.. tells me I need to install python-gtk2 package, when trying to install that package it tells me to install python-cairo, which then python-cairo tells me it needs python-gtk2.. so I am stuck in a loop!
[12:05] <lordievader> Zerkalerka: Could you pastebin the output of "sudo apt-get install python-gtk2"?
[12:06] <Zerkalerka> lordievader: yes one moment
[12:07] <BluesKaj> Zerkalerka, are you using this method http://www.nixternal.com/kde-and-dropbox/
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[12:08] <Zerkalerka> Ah nevermind I fixed my own problem.. just ran apt-get -f install alone and it auto installed python dependencies along with dropbox
[12:08] <Zerkalerka> ty for quick replies though.
[12:13] <PhilippeP> Zerkalerka: in such a case you should try to put all the dependencies in one line , they should resolved themselves
[12:13] <Zerkalerka> PhilippeP: makes sense, ty for the tip.
[12:13] <alvin> BluesKaj: SDDM shows the battery status next to my name. Is that not the case on your pc?
[12:13] <alvin> just below the clock
[12:18] <BluesKaj> alvin that's not sddm, that's the plasma 5/KF5 desktop widget panel, but yes I have the battery indicator on my laptop
[12:23] <alvin> BluesKaj: I'm talking about the login screen. Can you put widgets on it?
[12:24] <lordievader> alvin: Screenshots say a thousand words.... ;)
[12:24] <alvin> I'm not talking about the battery indicator in the systray, but about the one you see at boot. Before logging in
[12:24] <alvin> Well... it's not a virtual machine. I should take a picture then.
[12:26] <BluesKaj> alvin, I don't have a battery indicator since I'm on a pc, at least if there is one it's so small I can't see it on this TV/monitor,m unfortunately
[12:26] <BluesKaj> at th elogin
[12:28] <alvin> lordievader, BluesKaj: but I do: https://owncloud.alvin.be/index.php/s/YfT72UZQxmrNEqn see? It's a desktop and there's no battery. (I see I have to fix the German language too. I'm from Belgium. There are a few German speaking people, but I've never met one. It's in a small corner of the country. I have no idea why KDE uses it as default.)
[12:28] <jubo2> Kubuntu15 loading freezes after entering credentials to the login screen.. The Kubuntu logo and a frozen progress bar are as far as I can get with that Kubuntu
[12:29] <jubo2> choosing "failsafe" instead of "plasma" just keeps on throwing me again and again to the login screen
[12:30] <jubo2> there must be some log I can check for why it freezes when loading the GUI
[12:32] <PhilippeP> jubo2: try .xsession_error in your home
[12:34] <jubo2> PhilippeP: http://pastebin.com/HxCgD6ip
[12:41] <Obyone> Hello folks. Hope your doing fine. I have a qustion, i wonder if one of you would be so kind as to assist me with. I have done exstensive custimisation of my deaktop and installed many programs i'm using to study with. I would like to back it on live usb if i can, or is their a formal kubuntu way of achiving a good back up disk, to quickly get back to study if failure should occure ?
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[12:47] <arunce> hi... bad move about shipping plasma 5.2 with 15.04.
[12:48] <Obyone> The instructions for making a live cd are over my head and the custimisation programs mentioned on the main help page do not work.
[13:31] <derTyp> hi guys
[13:32] <derTyp> ive just upgraded to 15.04 and iam wondering how to bind the windows key to the menu again because ksuperkey doesnt seem to work with plasma5
[13:38] <pkulas> derType : Alt+f1 is default for plasma5
[13:39] <pkulas> go Settings - Global Keyboard Shortcuts and choose plasmashell and there you can change it
[13:39] <pkulas> But may be hard to change it just for windows key
[13:55] <mparillo> Obyone: I believe remastersys is unmaintained. I found this list, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_remastering_software#Linux_utilities but I have never heard of anybody endorsing any of them as 'just works'
[14:00] <jubo2> Kubuntu stops loading at Kubuntu symbol splash right after log-in
[14:00] <jubo2> I am able to access the log files from this machine
[14:01] <jubo2> someone suggested looking at .xsession-errors - here it is - http://pastebin.com/HxCgD6ip
[14:10] <ejay> Is it possible to set Compact view in Dolphin as a default view?
[14:11] <Obyone> <mparillo> I have tried all of them . I do not think there is any working ones. None of them work on 14.04 LTS , let alone newer releases.
[14:21] <BluesKaj> ejay, seems to hold if you set adjust view properties in dolphin>view, choose your mode then your folder prefernces like all folders or current , whichever you choose should hold
[14:24] <ejay> BluesKaj, got it. Thanks.
[14:25] <jubo2> Kubuntu15 stopped working. Halp?
[14:25] <jubo2> It was such a nice system till it stopped working
[14:28] <ejay> jubo2, any details?
[14:29] <Obyone> This is from help page, helped decoded by wikipedia and edited by me to better understand it. >   initramfs is a virtual filesystem. It is a compressed cpio.cpio is an archive format. cpio is a file archiver utility and its associated file format. cpio means, copy in and out.  Standard input and standard output.It contains a minimal shell, kernel modules necessary for mounting the root filesystemand a number of scripts that perform some tasks at boot time
[14:29] <Obyone> . The most important of these scripts is a script called init. located at the root of the initramfs. The boot loader loads both the kernel and the initramfs into memory. The boot loader loads both the kernel and the initramfs into memory.
[14:29] <Obyone> Then starts the kernel. The kernel then unpacks the initramfs .  Then mounts it as initial root filesystem. Then looks for the init program within the initial filesystem. Executes it and hands the boot process over to it.The init scirpt is responsible for finding the real root filesystem, mounting it and any special preperation required at boot time. So any special operations required for booting the system from a live media can be coded into the
[14:29] <Obyone> initramfs boot scripts.
[14:29] <Obyone>     
[14:29] <jubo2> ejay: I dunno.. Stops loading in the Kubuntu loading splash right after login
[14:30] <jubo2> I'm kinda clueless as to what to do about it
[14:30] <jubo2> but I can access the filesystem from this old Kubuntu14
[14:31] <ejay> jubo2, delete .kde folder
[14:31] <jubo2> ejay: you sure about this?
[14:32] <ejay> jubo2, yes. this folder contains your settings
[14:32] <jubo2> ok. and then try to reboot the Kubnut15 ?
[14:32] <ejay> jubo2, remove .kde from your home dir
[14:32] <ejay> jubo2, yes
[14:34] <Obyone> So i guess to to achive a live disk thats anything but the one given , i have to learn how ubuntu works from near the ground up and including grub. Am i correct in thinking this ?
[14:34] <jubo2> here goes
[14:41] <jubo2> ejay: nope. didn't help
[14:41] <jubo2> I renamed .kde to old-dot-kde
[14:41] <jubo2> I gather that should have same effect as deleting
[14:42] <ejay> jubo2, so gimme more details. Did you install anything fancy lately? Do you have other enviroments installed right now?
[14:43] <ejay> did you upgraded from 14?
[14:43] <ejay> kubuntu14*
[14:43] <jubo2> ejay: nothing experimental. Just made a clean Kubuntu15 install yesterday and today
[14:43] <jubo2> today it stopped working
[14:44] <jubo2> ejay: any error logs I should check ?
[14:44] <ejay> jubo2, what about drivers? what gpu driver you've got?
[14:44] <jubo2> ejay: I don't know.. Intel something
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[14:46] <ejay> jubo2, remove xorg.conf and if this is not it then you need to get to console and try to start kde from console and look for some info there.
[14:47] <jubo2> ejay: where is xorg.conf situated ?
[14:48] <ejay> jubo2, /etc/X11
[14:49] <jubo2> ejay: can't see it
[14:50] <ejay> jubo2, that's good
[14:51] <ejay> jubo2, so you can try now with terminal - start kubuntu in terminal mode and type startx
[14:51] <jubo2> ok
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[15:03] <jubo2> ejay: I tried to 'startx' from the root shell
[15:03] <jubo2> didn't work
[15:03] <ejay> jubo2, didnt work - nothing happened or there is no such command? ;)
[15:04] <jubo2> it started to do something but couldn't finish
[15:06] <ejay> jubo2, ok, then show me your x logs. you can find it in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[15:06] <ejay> paste it on some pastebin
[15:10] <uperat0r> Hi guys, after installing Kubuntu 15.04 , it refuses to boot up and hangs at the "kubuntu" loading screen
[15:10] <uperat0r> I think this may come due to a failed upgrade, my laptop wasn't connected to a power source and out of battery
[15:10] <uperat0r> i previously had kubuntu 14.10 installed, how do I fix it?
[15:12] <BluesKaj> uperat0r, then try installing again with the power supply plygged in, the ubiquity installer will deliberately not open if you don't have PSU  plugged into the laptop
[15:12] <ejay> uperat0r, if you updated from kubuntu14 and something happened while updateing (laptop got suspended or turned off) then prolly your installation is f up.
[15:13] <uperat0r> Yes I think so too, so how can I fix that?
[15:14] <uperat0r> I tried to get into the grub2 menu by holding shift, but that doesn't work
[15:14] <uperat0r> I can enter the grub command-line when I press esc while booting
[15:14] <uperat0r> I can also get into another tty when i press ctrl+alt+ f1/f2  but it only shows me a blinking cursor and i cannot type.
[15:15] <uperat0r> How can i install it again if i cannot boot?
[15:15] <ejay> uperat0r, you probably need to make fresh installation. I killed my OS by using muon (it crashed while updating to 15.04) and it was unrecoverable.
[15:15] <uperat0r> I have some files on there that I really need..
[15:16] <ejay> uperat0r, that's why making /home partition is a good idea.
[15:16] <uperat0r> ah...
[15:16] <ejay> uperat0r, but you can find those files while useing livecd and copy them on pendrive or smth
[15:20] <uperat0r> I can get into the grub command line...
[15:20] <uperat0r> how can i load an older kernel version from there?
[15:23] <uperat0r> Yeah I defintely fked up my installation
[15:25] <uperat0r> nouvea E, that's what the tty console showed before the system rebooted itself.
[15:25] <uperat0r> some error about Nouvea E
[15:26] <ejay> uperat0r, AFAIK it's nvidia driver
[15:27] <ejay> if you can get to console try to purge this and remove xorg.conf
[15:29] <uperat0r> i can't get to command-line
[15:33] <Obyone> Is the documentation shitting me . What do i look like a rocket scientist : export WORK=~/work ; export CD=~/cd; export FORMAT=squashfs; export FS_DIR=casper; sudo mkdir -p ${CD}/{${FS_DIR},boot/grub} ${WORK}/rootfs.  # And has not even warmed up yet, the next commands are 10 times more complex then that.
[15:36] <uperat0r> I'm in the livecd now, backing up important files. Is there a way I can recover the old version of Kubuntu? (14.10)
[15:42] <Neuh2> Oh ... Oon
[15:43] <Neuh2> I have forget to quit irc on my phone xD
[15:43] <BluesKaj> uperat0r, probly not if the internet upgrade was interrupted
[15:43] <uperat0r> I've downloaded all the files from the internet, it was during the installation
[15:43] <typhoon_2099> Hey guys, any idea why I can't get SDDM working? I checked systemctl and it's active but when I only ever see the "starting version 219" message.
[15:43] <BluesKaj> uperat0r, do you have / and /home partitions?
[15:44] <uperat0r> I have one partition for all files.. I didn't know it was common knowledge to have a seperate /home partition
[15:46] <CharlieTheCabbie> Hi guys.  I hope someone is able to help me out, I just upgraded to 15.04 and it's falling apart like a flatpacked motorcycle. :(
[15:46] <CharlieTheCabbie> The Plasma desktop will not start at all, I can log in but the screen simply remains black with no panels or borders.  The only way I can start any form of desktop is to switch to xfce and login that way.
[15:46] <BluesKaj> uperat0r, it's good practice to have separate / and /home partitions , then you can reinstall to / and just reset the mountpoint for /home in thje partioner and all your data and config files will be saved, you just need to reinstall non default apps
[15:47] <BluesKaj> no formatting of the /home partition of course
[15:48] <uperat0r> Oh well I copied my /home/ directory to a flash drive, kind of the same procedure
[15:48] <BluesKaj> CharlieTheCabbie, nvidia graphics ?
[15:48] <CharlieTheCabbie> yep
[15:48] <CharlieTheCabbie> how did you guess? :)
[15:48] <uperat0r> I had some issue that whenever I was using my mousepad instead of mouse, it would crash the desktop....
[15:48] <uperat0r> that's why the update failed..
[15:49] <uperat0r> A known bug in Kubuntu that was never fixed.. I'm switching to Ubuntu haha
[15:49] <BluesKaj> CharlieTheCabbie, ok drop to a tty/vt with ctl+alt+F1-F6 then install the nvidia-340 driver, but update and upgrade first with apt
[15:49] <typhoon_2099> CharlieTheCabbie: I may by in a similar situation, nvidia hybrid laptop, tried to fix the issue by removing the optimus drivers and it all fell apart. I'm back to where I started now (I think) but I still cannot gett logged in.
[15:50] <CharlieTheCabbie> I have an nvidia NV44 (GeForce 6200 Turbocache)
[15:50] <NekoSan> Bonsoir !
[15:50] <CharlieTheCabbie> Let me get a terminal up
[15:51] <BluesKaj> typhoon_2099, try installing nvidia-prime with procedure I described for CharlieTheCabbie above
[15:55] <CharlieTheCabbie> Ok, the nvidia-340 packages are now going in, obviously I have to restart the dm after this, right?
[15:55] <BluesKaj> CharlieTheCabbie, yup
[15:55] <typhoon_2099> Okay, I''ll try 340 and see how I get on, so far I have tried 304, 346 and 349 (from xorg-edgers).
[15:55] <CharlieTheCabbie> If I still can't get in then I'll drop back to xfce and let you know BluesKaj :)
[15:55] <BluesKaj> ok CharlieTheCabbie, I'll be here
[16:00] <crazymike> I was just wondering if anyone else is having problems connecting to Kde-look.org?
[16:00] <crazymike> Having trouble getting new themes/backgrounds within the system
[16:00] <CharlieTheCabbie> ok, the packages are done. see you in a few moments, BluesKaj...
[16:01] <CharlieTheCabbie> I hope :)
[16:07] <BluesKaj> crazymike, kde-look has been down for maintenance for 2 days
[16:08] <crazymike> Thank you BluesKaj. Just wanted to confirm as I installed KDE yesterday and was trying to look for more themes. Thanks for the info. Have a great day.
[16:08] <BluesKaj> you too crazymike:)
[16:08] <atee> helo
[16:14] <Obyone> How do i echo ,code, with symbols,    "  {        , etc , in to a file ?
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[17:00] <Guest12307> I just installed 15.04, updated and now have no plasma desktop visible. I have Yakuake terminal installed and that works perfectly over a blank desktop.  Ideas appreciated.
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[17:05] <t5un4m1> hello
[17:05] <Guest12307> Hello
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[17:06] <t5un4m1> Can anyone help me out with a gui frontend for ufw in kubuntu 15.04?
[17:06] <t5un4m1> tried installing ufw-kde, but i can't find it or make heads/tails of it
[17:06] <t5un4m1> i'm familiar with gufw
[17:06] <t5un4m1> just don't want to install all the extra gnome  junk
[17:07] <gary__> Try fwbuilder?
[17:08] <gary__> fwbuilder is powerful and easy to use
[17:08] <t5un4m1> cool, thanks; just installed it.
[17:09] <CharlieTheCabbie> dang. Blueskaj has gone.  Anyone else who can help me out with plasma5 please?  I can login using an xfce desktop, but when I try to get to plasma, all I get is the login screen, then the K splash, followed with a blank screen.
[17:09] <t5un4m1> btw any first impressions of kde5? seems like it needs some updates. downloading wallpapers doesn't work. Baloo crashes
[17:09] <t5un4m1> wonder if it was a bit rushed out the door
[17:09] <gary__> KDE5 is not ready for "prime-time" in my opinion
[17:10] <CharlieTheCabbie> t5un4m1, I am having problems with it, but I wouldn't count that as a bad review, I just need to fix up a few bits.
[17:10] <gary__> Great start, but very buggy, in my opinion
[17:10] <t5un4m1> yeah; it doesn't seem anywhere near as flaky as cinnamon out of the box
[17:11] <wldcordeiro> I hate notify-osd
[17:11] <wldcordeiro> I really do
[17:11] <wldcordeiro> it's always getting stuck
[17:11] <wldcordeiro> then I have to manually kill it.
[17:11] <t5un4m1> cinnamon (on mint) needs a ton of updates to stabilize it
[17:12] <gary__> I'm glad I use "Back-In-Time" to restore 14.10 which has been exceptionally stable.
[17:12] <t5un4m1> growing pains i guess; there's no way a handful of developers can test out all the scenarios of people installing it in the wild
[17:12] <CharlieTheCabbie> So, does anyone else have any ideas on what to do with my install please?  I did what blueskaj suggested, which was to update the nvidia kit, but it refused to run my card. I had to drop down to nvidia-304, and now that's getting killed off.
[17:13] <CharlieTheCabbie> nvidia-prime is getting stopped
[17:13] <gary__> If I thought it would actually be put to good use, I'd donate a great sum of $$ to kde
[17:15] <gary__> I tried kde5 in beta and had to revert back to 14.10 with "back-In-Time"
[17:15] <genii> !contribute
[17:15] <ubottu> To contribute and help out with Ubuntu, see http://community.ubuntu.com and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu
[17:15] <hyper_ch> another bug reported
[17:16] <CharlieTheCabbie> How do you know it wouldn't be put to good use?  KDE seem to have coped bloody well in the past, there will always be hiccups and burps in the system.
[17:16] <wldcordeiro> Has anyone noticed 15.04 reverting to the 'fallback' login occasionally instead of the sddm one when you lock or suspend?
[17:16] <CharlieTheCabbie> If everything was perfect when it was created, we'd get born knowing how to drive :)
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[17:17] <gary__> $$ may very well be put into good use.  Thank you.
[17:18] <gary__> I appreciate the work of so many dedicated folks that do all they can to develope a wonderful operating system as well as all of the kernel developers.
[17:24] <gary__> Is anyone able to help me with a Lenovo T540p, new install of 15.04, nvidia, plasma seems to not be visible, but from Yakuake, I can run any program on a blank desktop.
[17:33] <balloons> sgclark, ping
[17:37] <Bebo> Hello, I have a problem about the "activities" on Kubuntu 15.04 64-bit with an NVIDIA driver recommended 349.0. It is impossible to create an activity, nothing happens. Can someone help me?
[17:39] <Taggnostr2> hello
[17:42] <Taggnostr2> I upgraded 14.10 to 15.04, and after logging in I get a black screen
[17:42] <Taggnostr2> after a few days of attempts, I managed to get to a point where I can get both windows and windows decorations, but the rest is missing
[17:44] <Taggnostr2> basically I login, switch to a tty, do sudo startx, then after a while I get to a desktop background, and from there I can do right click -> run command and start e.g. quassel
[17:44] <Taggnostr2> I still don't have the bottom bar, and after the login everything is still black
[17:45] <gary__> Same here.  No one answers this question
[17:47] <acz32> sudo startx?
[17:47] <Taggnostr2> yes
[17:47] <acz32> why sudo
[17:47] <gary__> That starts the x-server as root and then the desktop as the root user
[17:48] <Taggnostr2> I've been trying all the possible permutations of commands since friday, maybe it works even without
[17:49] <acz32> it's not a good idea at all to run xserver as root
[17:49] <Taggnostr2> I can restart it without sudo if it works
[17:49] <gary__> kde is running, as I use Yakuake terminal and can press F12 and launch and application from the terminal within a blank desktop.
[17:50] <Taggnostr2> brb
[17:50] <acz32> i would try running 15.04 from a livecd and see if that works
[18:00] <Taggnostr4> Without sudo it doesn't even start
[18:04] <Taggnostr4> If KDE is running, and sometimes I can even display window, what might be the problem?
[18:10] <acz32> does ubuntu have dmesg?
[18:10] <acz32> that's the first place i would look to see what's going on
[18:11] <acz32> i don't use kubuntu, sorry. but i would never run X as root and i would either check dmesg or boot from a kubuntu livecd to see if it works
[18:18] <noaXess> hey all..
[18:18] <noaXess> does anybody upgraded from 14.10 to 15.04 with big problems?
[18:19] <noaXess> i know there are some bugs.. but are there bugs, which prevent upgrading from 14.10 to 15.04?
[18:25] <bruceleeds> Hi, I just upgraded from Kubuntu 14.10 to 15.4. When I put my password into the login screen and press enter, I get either back to the login screen without kde starting, or I get a black screen. It seems this has been reported at https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=289&t=125034 but what can I do?
[18:25] <bruceleeds> I hope there is someone out there to help me... :-(
[18:26] <N3X15> Any ideas on how to get the "breeze dark" theme to skin the taskbar?  Selecting that in System Settings > Desktop Theme just makes it turn white-on-white, even after fiddling around in the Colors menu.  I'm on 15.04.
[18:29] <bruceleeds> I am not even getting to 15.4... :-(
[18:29] <gary__> 14.10  to 15.04 worked perfectly on my server, except that it stalled at the end.  I power off and rebooted and all is well.  I depended upon a system status widget for temp, cpu, HDD and etc monitoring that is now not available.  At the same time, I ran the upgrade on a Lenovo T540p laptop and it wouldn't reboot.
[18:29] <bruceleeds> Did you upgrade from 14.10 or did you raw install?
[18:30] <N3X15> Upgrade, but I removed the .kde and .config directories.
[18:30] <N3X15> So theoretically a clean start.
[18:30] <bruceleeds> Do you mean ~/.kde and ~/.config ?
[18:30] <N3X15> Yes
[18:30] <bruceleeds> I removed ~/.config, but not ~/.kde
[18:31] <bruceleeds> maybe that has to be done as well
[18:31] <bruceleeds> I am using a Lenovo T530 by the way
[18:32] <PhilippeP> bruceleeds: did you have autologin set in 14.* ?
[18:33] <Radien> Anyone else experiencing a kwin crash when attempting to use Xinerama with 4 monitors across 2 graphics cards? Kubuntu 15.04. Worked fine in 14.04. Seems similar to this bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343844
[18:33] <bruceleeds> You mean that I skipped the login screen?
[18:33] <ubottu> KDE bug 343844 in multihead "Kwin crashes with Xinerama and 3 monitors" [Crash,Resolved: upstream]
[18:33] <bruceleeds> No
[18:33] <PhilippeP> ok it's something else then ...
[18:35] <bruceleeds> Ok, I moved ~/.kde and ~/.config to ~/.kde_old and ~/.config_old respectively
[18:35] <bruceleeds> From Ctrl+Alt+F1 command line
[18:36] <bruceleeds> Then I sudo reboot but I get a black screen again
[18:37] <Taggnostr4> bruceleeds, same here
[18:37] <Taggnostr4> Since Friday, haven't found a fix yet
[18:37] <bruceleeds> Maybe this is a crucial information: During my installation (not download, installation!) the installation process froze in muon (maybe because I should have excepted an EULA but couldn't).
[18:38] <bruceleeds> I "kill 14293" the hanging dpkg process 14293 and "sudo dpkg configure -a".
[18:39] <bruceleeds> After that I rebooted and went into rescue mode and from there to dpkg repairation
[18:39] <bruceleeds> where I repaired twice until no packages where installed or deinstalled anymore.
[18:40] <bruceleeds> still had the problem (obviously)
[18:40] <Taggnostr4> Try to add nomodeset to grub
[18:40] <bruceleeds> Sucks. Seems like several people have the issue. Does that mean, there will be fix soon?
[18:41] <bruceleeds> Taggnostr4: How do I do that?
[18:41] <Taggnostr4> I hope so
[18:41] <Taggnostr4> http://askubuntu.com/questions/38780/how-do-i-set-nomodeset-after-ive-already-installed-ubuntu
[18:42] <Taggnostr4> Didn't solve much for me, but maybe you'll have better luck
[18:44] <bruceleeds> Taggnostr4: What does this do?
[18:45] <Taggnostr4> Not sure, iirc it disables something that might interfere with the video
[18:46] <bruceleeds> Taggnostr4: For me that means just a black screen even without the login screen...
[18:49] <bruceleeds> Anyone else any clue what to do?
[18:49] <bruceleeds> To recap: I get a black screen after the login screen, now that I have updated my kubuntu 14.10 to 15.4...
[18:51] <pkulas> Best "fix" is copy all of your data and do a clean 15.04 install
[18:52] <bruceleeds> pkulas: I considered that, however that would suck badly...
[18:53] <qdata> best fix is to not waste your time with 15.04, it should never have been designated 'release' and foisted upon the world; it simply is not ready to be called "release"
[18:53] <bruceleeds> Because of all the work I put into this
[18:53] <bruceleeds> qdata: True story.
[18:53] <acz32> i've said this a couple times already. i would boot into a live environment and see if that works running from the livecd
[18:53] <bruceleeds> I should have read more about the status of the relase
[18:53] <Cyman> I have a ? about virtual desktops. In version 14 the desktops would retain my windows. In 15.04 they do not. Is there a setting that I have missed?
[18:54] <qdata> you wouldn't have seen anything detrimental as everyone wants to just sweep the ugliness under the rug
[18:54] <bruceleeds> I guess it will be impossible to revert the system to 14.10 without completely reinstalling it, isn't it?
[18:55] <qdata> I use clonezilla and have backup image, which is what I reverted to so I'd have a machine I could use that works
[18:55] <bruceleeds> qdata: You mean if I had done more research in the internet regarding the status of 15.4, I would not have found anything substanial against 15.4?
[18:56] <pkulas> bruceleeds : Only a chance to do a revert If You would have a backup of disc before dist-upgrade
[18:56] <bruceleeds> pkulas: not so much
[18:56] <bruceleeds> dang
[18:56] <qdata> bruceleeds: maybe not, I don't know - all I see is how great it is everywhere I look
[18:56] <bruceleeds> qdata: That's what I read...
[18:57] <bruceleeds> It would be a pain in the butt to reinstall everything
[18:57] <bruceleeds> Is there a way to do get some error messages at least?
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[19:00] <Mgigamasta> hey
[19:00] <Mgigamasta> all
[19:01] <pkulas> bruceleeds : Try ~/.xsession-errors
[19:03] <gary__> 15.04 is not ready.
[19:05] <bruceleeds> pkulas: Ok, what am I looking for in there....?
[19:05] <bruceleeds> There is a lot of text
[19:06] <pkulas> bruceleeds : Try remove all and login again to get crash then check file again
[19:08] <bruceleeds> pkulas: Still a LOT of text
[19:09] <bruceleeds> Some of the juicy stuff: "The X11 connection broke (error 1) Did the X11 server die?"
[19:10] <bruceleeds> "QXcbConnection: Failed to get the primary output of the screen"
[19:10] <bruceleeds> <- that's before the other bit
[19:12] <gary__> I will try kubuntu-201504240858-amd64.iso and if this doesn't work, I'm going to the LTS version.  I have to get work done!
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[19:15] <bruceleeds> Same here: I also have to get work done. That's why this sucks so bad.
[19:16] <pkulas> bruceleeds : maybe some configuration files cause this problem
[19:16] <bruceleeds> pkulas: Maybe, but which ones? How do I find out?
[19:16] <pkulas> bruceleeds : login screen is working for you?
[19:16] <bruceleeds> I get to the login screen, yes
[19:17] <pkulas> Try add new user by console then login on it
[19:17] <pkulas> To see if it works
[19:17] <bruceleeds> What are the commands?
[19:17] <pkulas> adduser user_name
[19:17] <pkulas> as sudo
[19:17] <pkulas> root*
[19:18] <bruceleeds> ok done
[19:18] <bruceleeds> now?
[19:18] <pkulas> try login on KDE login screen
[19:18] <bruceleeds> pkulas: Reboot and get into login screen and try with new userß
[19:18] <bruceleeds> ok
[19:18] <pkulas> yes
[19:19] <bruceleeds> pkulas: same for the new user
[19:20] <pkulas> So config files seems not be a problem
[19:21] <bruceleeds> more ideas?
[19:21] <pkulas> what about startx from console?
[19:24] <bruceleeds> pkulas: how do I do that?
[19:24] <bruceleeds> command "startx"?
[19:25] <pkulas> yes
[19:25] <bruceleeds> pkulas: Do I switch to the command line with Ctrl+Alt+F1?
[19:25] <pkulas> yes
[19:26] <pkulas> bruceleeds : check this log also,  /var/log/Xorg.0.log maybe here you get more info about problem
[19:26] <bruceleeds> pkulas: I get some output and then the line "waiting for X server to shut down (II) Server terminated successfully (0). Closing log file."
[19:28] <bruceleeds> pkulas: What am I searching for in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[19:28] <pkulas> pkulas : bruceleeds for some keywords for crash reason
[19:29] <pkulas> I wrong typed :D
[19:30] <bruceleeds> pkulas: :-D
[19:30] <bruceleeds> pkulas: the most suspicious lines are along the lines of "This device may have been added with another device file."
[19:31] <bruceleeds> and "No input driver specified, ignoring this device."
[19:31] <bruceleeds> There is an insane amount of text in the log
[19:35] <kubuntu575> So I just upgraded kubuntu 14.10 to 15.04 and at boot, I drop to a root prompt with this error:Error getting authority: error initializing authority: could not connect: no such file or directory g-io-error-quark
[19:36] <kubuntu575> I saw I need to do dog - - configure - a and then system to enable sddm.service - f but th
[19:36] <kubuntu575> Sorry, on mobile.. I saw I need to do dpkg - - configure - a
[19:37] <kubuntu575> That does nothing
[19:37] <kubuntu575> Then systemctl enable sddm.service - f
[19:37] <kubuntu575> Gives the same error
[19:37] <kubuntu575> I have no network, no USB
[19:37] <kubuntu575> What can I do to fix this?
[19:38] <pkulas> bruceleeds : I don't have any more ideas what can be the problem
[19:38] <pkulas> bruceleeds : You may try upgrade plasma to beta 5.3 if you have internet access there but no idea if it solve anything
[19:38] <bruceleeds> pkulas: Ok, thanks for your help.
[19:38] <bruceleeds> pkulas: how do I do the upgrade to 5.3?
[19:38] <bruceleeds> (it can hardly get worse)
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[19:39] <kubuntu575> Also, I use let and encrypted home folder, in case that matters
[19:39] <pkulas> bruceleeds : add ppa with backports, 1 sec
[19:39] <bruceleeds> I wait...
[19:39] <kubuntu575> I have backups, but not all as recent as should be, so any help would be greatly appeciatrd
[19:40] <bruceleeds> kubuntu575: I also have serious problems with Kub 15.4...
[19:40] <kubuntu575> Also, it mentions file or directory not found, but not which file or directory it's looking for.. Could I find that somewhere?
[19:40] <bruceleeds> kubuntu575: Maybe its because of .Xauthority file?
[19:41] <mefisto> keyboard shortcuts for next/previous activity (Meta+Tab/Meta+shift+Tab) don't work. but "manage activities" shortcut does work. can someone confirm this, or is it just me
[19:41] <pkulas> bruceleeds: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[19:41] <pkulas> then do sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:41] <kubuntu575> bruceleeds : I think it's because of logind service, from what I've learned from Google so far
[19:41] <kubuntu575> I've seen that many have this problem.  And
[19:42] <kubuntu575> And resolved it with dpkg - - configure - a and then the systemctl enable sddm.service - f, but doing that gives me the exact same error
[19:43] <stoocot> bruceleeds: probably you have optimus enabled and some problem with X Window startup on dual GPU config. Try switching under BIOS setup to discrete graphics, delete or rename /etc/X11/xorg.conf and verify if X starts with Intel GPU
[19:44] <bruceleeds> pkulas: adding the backport does not work
[19:44] <pkulas> Did a upgrade?
[19:44] <bruceleeds> stoocot: Yes, I had optimus something
[19:45] <bruceleeds> no upgrade did not change anything, it says there was nothing to change
[19:45] <bruceleeds> stoocot: How do  I do those things?
[19:45] <bruceleeds> I know how to rename xorg.conf
[19:46] <bruceleeds> but how do I do the switching?
[19:46] <bruceleeds> I know how to get into bios, but I never heard of the feature
[19:46] <stoocot> I had a lot of problems (lenovo W520 user) with nvidia card with dual-screen setup and most of them were solved after upgrade to plasma 5.2/5.3
[19:47] <bruceleeds> stoocot: ok, alternatively: how do I upgrade to 5.2/5.3
[19:47] <bruceleeds> ?
[19:47] <pkulas> bruceleeds check this : apt-cache policy plasma-desktop
[19:47] <pkulas> is there 4:5.3.0 version?
[19:48] <stoocot> Sorry for fooling you with "discrete". "Internal" of course
[19:48] <bruceleeds> apt-cache policy plasma-desktop  returns:
[19:48] <bruceleeds> 4:5.2.2-0ubuntu4
[19:49] <pkulas> Are you sure you added ppa?
[19:49] <bruceleeds> for both "installed" and "install candidate"
[19:49] <stoocot> if I remember - advanced setup/graphic card, select "Internal", select "OS does not support Optimus"
[19:49] <pkulas> and did everything I wrote?
[19:49] <bruceleeds> pkulas: no, the adding did not work
[19:49] <bruceleeds> it gives an error
[19:49] <pkulas> You sure you have internet access?
[19:49] <bruceleeds> not sure
[19:50] <pkulas> try ping 8.8.8
[19:50] <pkulas> 8.8.8.8
[19:51] <bruceleeds> I did not have a connection. Now I have.
[19:51] <bruceleeds> update done...
[19:51] <pkulas> So add again ppa then update and upgrade
[19:52] <kubuntu575> Some more Google shows that this might be related to polkit not running in emergency mode, could this ring a bell perhaps?
[19:52] <bruceleeds> kubuntu575: not here...
[19:52] <bruceleeds> upgrade takes another 2 minutes
[19:53] <kubuntu575> First kubuntu upgrade in ages that crashes this badly, I was way too over confident :(
[19:54] <bruceleeds> This NVidia-Optimus is some serious bullshit. No wonder Linus gave them the finger for this one. I had some really bad problems beforehand as well in Kubuntu 13.4 (I think). I thought that was behind me (since 14.4) but now it comoes back to haunt me... man...
[19:54] <acz32> 15.04 sounds like it was rushed
[19:54] <codebrainz> hi. i updated to 15.04 on the weekend and some apps (ex. qtcreator) won't show any files in the open file dialogs. it can be worked around by clearing the QT_PLUGIN_PATH environment var, but then it loses features (theme, native dialogs, etc). is there a better workaround?
[19:55] <sbivol_> hi, I just noticed that after a fresh install of Kubuntu 15.04, users can not change their passwords (kdepasswd is missing)
[19:55] <bruceleeds> kubuntu575: same here...
[19:55] <pkulas> bruceleeds: any change after upgrade?
[19:55] <bruceleeds> not finished yet
[19:55] <bruceleeds> It's gone be legen... wait for it...
[19:56] <kubuntu575> bruceleeds :well here I have an emergency root prompt, that's all..
[19:56] <kubuntu575> Dairy? :)
[19:56] <pkulas> bruceleeds: Also you can check BIOS and change there something about grahpics
[19:56] <bruceleeds> wait for it...
[19:57] <pkulas> ok
[19:58] <bruceleeds> ... not so dairy...
[19:58] <bruceleeds> dang
[19:59] <stoocot> bruceleeds: here is my xorg.conf for W520 with Optimus enabled and Nvidia drivers v346, that works also with dual screen setup: http://pastebin.com/syriqtUF
[19:59] <kubuntu575> bruceleeds : you lactose intolerant?
[19:59] <bruceleeds> kubuntu575: seems like it...
[20:00] <pkulas> Did you restart after upgrade?
[20:00] <bruceleeds> pkulas: yes
[20:00] <bruceleeds> stoocot: I thought xorg.conf is behind us?
[20:00] <kubuntu575> Anybody who might know about 15.04: error getting authority: error initializing authority: could not connect: no such file or directory g-io-error-quark
[20:01] <kubuntu575> bruceleeds core. Coill be with us until wayland
[20:01] <kubuntu575> Damned mobile phone...
[20:02] <kubuntu575> bruceleeds: xorg.conf will be with us until wayland
[20:02] <kubuntu575> I'm going insane here with this new kubuntu
[20:02] <bruceleeds> stoocot: what changes am I supposed to do in bios where exactly?
[20:02] <bruceleeds> kubuntu575: dito
[20:02] <bruceleeds> kubuntu575: But there seem to be quite a lot of people
[20:03] <bruceleeds> stoocot:  I am in bios now
[20:04] <stoocot> I'm looking for screenshots...
[20:04] <kubuntu575> Valorie:really sorry to bother you directly, but you usually have great solutions.. Any idea how to solveError getting authority: error initializing authority: could not connect: no such file or directory g-io-error-quark&rlz but without dpkg - - configure - a and then systemctl enable sddm.service - f, because that's all over the Internet, I tried it,and it's not fixing it, my laptop is dead I  the water after my 15.04 upgrade
[20:05] <stoocot> http://bretstateham.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/ThinkPad-Graphics-Device-BIOS-Settings-No-Callout.png
[20:06] <bruceleeds> stoocot: got that. What setting should I chose (and why)?
[20:06] <stoocot> Integrated Graphics and OS Detection: Disabled
[20:07] <stoocot> It will switch off Nvidia GPU
[20:08] <phoenixz> bruceleeds: Yay, I'm in!
[20:08] <stoocot> Next time you boot Linux only i915 driver will be used. It doesn't require xorg.conf
[20:08] <bruceleeds> phoenixz: you had the same issue as me?
[20:08] <phoenixz> bruceleeds: so I saw at grub that there is an "upstart" mode as well, tried that one, and that booted without problem
[20:09] <bruceleeds> stoocot: ok, I wrote it
[20:09] <phoenixz> bruceleeds: Not really.. ah damn, its great to be able to write on a keyboard again.. No, I booted, and immediately dropped in an emergency shell with that @%$#($ error..
[20:09] <bruceleeds> I mean, I changed the bios setttings
[20:10] <bruceleeds> phoenixz: so what did you achieve...?
[20:10] <jlotonah> supomans
[20:10] <bruceleeds> sounds like you only thought it worked, but it didn't...
[20:10] <jlotonah> lulz
[20:10] <phoenixz> bruceleeds: my laptop booted to X, I'm using Quassel now instead of my mobile phone.. My laptop only had a DOA emergency shell with root prompt
[20:10] <jlotonah> kernel 4.0 with Xorg :-)
[20:10] <jlotonah> kubuntu 2015.04
[20:11] <jlotonah> updating...
[20:12] <bruceleeds> what the... something just came up...
[20:14] <jlotonah> true
[20:14] <bruceleeds> ok... seems like I am in kubuntu 15.4...
[20:15] <bruceleeds> why are all my settings gone?
[20:15] <jlotonah> i dont have a sysinfo script with a client with sasl but ... yeah... kernel panics... broken optimus... google... PCI:8... restore Xorg... solved.
[20:15] <jlotonah> same here ^
[20:15] <stoocot> bruceleeds: you changed name of .kde and .config folders
[20:16] <bruceleeds> stoocot: can I try to revert them back?
[20:16] <bruceleeds> or is that potentially harmful?
[20:16] <stoocot> logout to startup screen and change them back to original names from console session
[20:17] <bruceleeds> will do
[20:17] <stoocot> ALT+CTRL+F1
[20:18] <bruceleeds> stoocot: The startup of KDE is really slow... why is that?
[20:19] <bruceleeds> like super slow
[20:19] <bruceleeds> is that because of the slow graphics card?
[20:20] <Taggnostr4> Did you find a fix?
[20:20] <stoocot> Definitely no, Intel response is faster than Nvidia's when u use plain desktop
[20:21] <bruceleeds> Taggnostr4: stoocot suggested to switch of the optimus graphics card in the bios http://bretstateham.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/ThinkPad-Graphics-Device-BIOS-Settings-No-Callout.png
[20:21] <bruceleeds> stoocot: Oh, when is the Nvidia's card faster then?
[20:22] <stoocot> When you use it to render 3D graphics - many times faster
[20:22] <bruceleeds> stoocot: like games?
[20:22] <Taggnostr4> Let's try
[20:23] <Taggnostr4> No such option in my bios
[20:23] <stoocot> Your laptop screen is connected to Intel GPU in Nvidia has to show something on it, it has to copy screen content to Intel's output
[20:23] <bruceleeds> Taggnostr4: he said one should use the intel card instead of the nvidia card and also disable the switch
[20:24] <bruceleeds> Taggnostr4: I use Lenovo... depends on what you are using and whether you are using Nvidia Optimus technology
[20:24] <Taggnostr4> I have an old VAIO
[20:24] <bruceleeds> stoocot: Got it. But why is the system so slow now?
[20:24] <bruceleeds> Taggnostr4: different issue maybe.
[20:25] <stoocot> You can re-enable Optimus after deleting drivers from Nvidia - it's not harmfull: sudo apt-get purge nvidia*
[20:25] <Taggnostr4> I have a nvidia card
[20:25] <bruceleeds> stoocot: also: after moving .kde and .config, still only some of the settings are backk
[20:28] <bruceleeds> stoocot: what do you mean? I delete Nvidia-drivers, then I enable optimus and then I install those drivers again?
[20:28] <stoocot> bruceleeds: I can't guess what else you deleted / renamed, sorry
[20:29] <bruceleeds> stoocot: nothing else
[20:29] <stoocot> bruceleeds: yes, exactly you can try install Nvidia again from Driver Manager.
[20:30] <stoocot> bruceleeds: and you probably will finish in black screen again :)
[20:30] <bruceleeds> great, now everything is frozen
[20:31] <bruceleeds> stoocot: you mean, if I reinstall the nvidia drivers, I might get a black screen again?
[20:32] <Taggnostr4> bruceleeds, yours was an upgrade from 14.10, right?
[20:32] <bruceleeds> Taggnostr4: yes
[20:32] <Taggnostr4> I'm thinking about formatting and reinstalling 15.04 from scratch
[20:33] <Taggnostr4> If that fails, reinstall 14.10
[20:33] <bruceleeds> stoocot: Maybe I / my computer is not ready for kubuntu 15.4... If I decide tomorrow that I reinstall Kubuntu 14.10. What files would I have to move to 14.10 in order to get my old system back? (Programms not included, those I would reinstall.)
[20:36] <stoocot> bruceleeds: I had the same thoughts, before Plasma 5 I was not able to use Nvidia GPU at all.
[20:36] <bruceleeds> stoocot: that was different for me: I was able to use optimus from Kubuntu 14.4 onwards
[20:37] <bruceleeds> without bumblebee & Co.
[20:37] <bruceleeds> Before that I used bumblebee which was a huge hassle
[20:38] <bruceleeds> in Kubuntu 14.4 and onwards I used KDE 4
[20:38] <bruceleeds> I took my sweet time to migrate from KDE 3 to KDE 4 back in the day, which became quite the problem later on. So I thought, this time I flow with the current...
[20:38] <bruceleeds> and migrate to KDE 5 early.
[20:39] <stoocot> My HW is older and more problematic. With Plasma 5 it flies.
[20:39] <bruceleeds> not the best idea after all
[20:39] <bruceleeds> stoocot: nice to hear
[20:39] <bruceleeds> stoocot: I wonder why it really does not fly for me...
[20:40] <stoocot> I'm switching on Nvidia only for dual screen with: "sudo prime-select nvidia" and back to Intel with "sudo prime-select intel"
[20:40] <bruceleeds> stoocot: my nvidia is witched off right now, and it still does not work
[20:41] <bruceleeds> stoocot: do you know which files I have to migrate, to get 14.10 back, when I reinstall that?
[20:41] <bruceleeds> emails, contacts, .mozillla obviously.
[20:42] <bruceleeds> but also .kde and .config ?
[20:42] <bruceleeds> are there more folders like .kde and .config?
[20:42] <pkulas> bruceleeds: right now your config files may be with some additional settings from 15.04
[20:42] <stoocot> bruceleeds: hard to answer - almost whole home dir
[20:43] <bruceleeds> stoocot: which is completely tainted by 15.4
[20:43] <bruceleeds> ...
[20:43] <bruceleeds> pkulas: sucks to be me...
[20:43] <bruceleeds> :-D
[20:44] <bruceleeds> ok, I think I slowly move towards bed
[20:44] <stoocot> bruceleeds: have you touched grub config? modesetting, etc...
[20:45] <bruceleeds> stoocot: nope for grub (that would rebuild itself I guess). What
[20:45] <bruceleeds> What's modesetting?
[20:45] <phoenixz> phNot sure if anybody can read what I'm writing, but my GUI isvery  VREY messed up, I see a different screen that the screen I actually should see.. so if I cluck some where in quassel, I''m actually clicking in chrome e and stoocthings like that.. Anyway, doing an NVidia driver update now, hoping that that will fix that issue.. At least, I think I'm upgrading it, I'm not sure what I'm doing, I cant see..
[20:46] <stoocot> I don't know why your laptop slowed down. You shuld create new user accout, make sure that you deleted xorg.conf and login to this accout.
[20:46] <JMichaelX> anyone else experiencing difficulty getting desktop effects to work, using onboard intel (i915) graphics?
[20:47] <JMichaelX> (in kubuntu 15.04)
[20:48] <bruceleeds> stoocot: where is xorg.conf located?
[20:48] <stoocot> If it works ok it means that there's something wrong with your main account config, not with kubuntu 15.04
[20:49] <stoocot> "/etc/X11" - requires root
[20:49] <bruceleeds> stoocot: there is a xorg.conf.0316... and another one with a different number
[20:50] <bruceleeds> what is it?
[20:50] <stoocot> OK, it's backup, no need to touch
[20:51] <bruceleeds> ok, there is no other
[20:52] <Taggnostr4> I'm trying to login with another account to see if it works
[20:53] <bruceleeds> stoocot: what should I do?
[20:54] <stoocot> bruceleeds: nothing :) if system on this account works well it means that your main accound is messed up. If not - the problem is general...
[20:57] <bruceleeds> stoocot: looks like its system-wide
[20:58] <stoocot> bruceleeds: bad luck... no chance to help without deeper inspection
[20:59] <Taggnostr4> With sudo startx it more or less work here
[20:59] <Taggnostr4> I'm just missing the bar at the bottom and it's a bit slow
[21:02] <bruceleeds> stoocot: Your guess: Is it 15.4 itself or the upgrade from 14.10? Would a clean install of 15.4 be better?
[21:03] <Taggnostr4> Is there anything I can try to start to get the bar at the bottom?
[21:05] <Taggnostr4> Is that part of plasma?
[21:10] <bruceleeds> Taggnostr4: yes it is
[21:11] <Taggnostr4> Is there a command to start plasma?
[21:11] <stoocot> bruceleeds: sorry - was away for some minutes. It's easy to check without messing the system if you prepare live DVD/USB and boot from it.
[21:12] <stoocot> It won't have Nvida proprietary drivers but tandem Intel/nouveau should work OK.
[21:12] <bruceleeds> ok
[21:13] <Taggnostr4> I can get windows in two ways: 1) start the PC, drop in a tty, run sudo startx; 2) login normally, get black screen, drop in the tty, kill kwin_x11, go back to the graphical session
[21:14] <Taggnostr4> With 1 windows have borders, with 2 they don't
[21:14] <pkulas> I love built-in Intel drivers, works everything and no need nothing to configure. (Intel Hd 4400)
[21:14] <Taggnostr4> Also Firefox starts with 1 but not with 2
[21:16] <Taggnostr4> FWIW I tried to boot 14.10 from USB and still got black screen, even if it was working while installed
[21:16] <Taggnostr4> I think that's because it needs nvidia drivers that are not included on the live USB
[21:17] <ejay> pkulas, true that. intel drivers are flawless
[21:18] <mefisto> Taggnostr4: I think to start plasma, the command is plasmashell
[21:18] <Taggnostr4> Nothing seems to happen with that
[21:18] <stoocot> mefisto: in fact it should be started automatically :)
[21:20] <Taggnostr4> If I do it from konsole I get kf5.kiconthemes: "theme tree: (breeze)"
[21:20] <stoocot> manual way: sudo systemctl start sddm  or stop, restart, ...
[21:21] <Taggnostr4> The stop kicked me out, the start got me at the login screen
[21:21] <Taggnostr4> After login is still all black
[21:22] <Taggnostr4> kwin_x11 started again, and it's eating all the CPU again
[21:25] <stoocot> Taggnstr4: maybe also try to create test account and try to login to it
[21:26] <stoocot> Taggnstr4: from console: sudo adduser whatever
[21:27] <Taggnostr4> stoocot, just did earlier, nothing changed
[21:28] <stoocot> Taggnstr4: what's your HW?
[21:29] <Taggnostr4> An 8+ years old VAIO with nvidia graphics
[21:34] <stoocot> Taggnstr4: yeah, always nvidia... have you tried to (re)create default xorg.conf with: sudo nvidia-xconfig ?
[21:34] <stoocot> If you use proprietary drivers...
[21:47] <chrissg> Hey folks -- 15.04 here, volume control buttons on keyboard show the volume level bar on screen, but has zero effetc on actual volume. Any ideas? :)
[21:48] <chrissg> D'oh. I banged my head for 2 hours straight on this one. Once posted I figured it out myself: Selecting a "master channel" in the volume props...
[21:49] <pkulas> chrissg : Open KDE Mixer and then change sound volume by keyboard
[21:49] <pkulas> chrissg : Maybe it changed for wrong card
[21:49] <pkulas> :D
[21:49] <chrissg> :)
[21:50] <chrissg> But play, pause, stop still has no effect (on spotify). I take it the spotify integration is not yet... finished?
[21:51] <pkulas> No idea
[21:52] <chrissg> Meh, doesnt matter for now. I am still "moving" in to my new OS here. :)
[21:53] <stoocot> chrissg: KDE Mixer has setting "choose master channel" which is related also to HW buttons. check it please
[21:53] <eternaL1> Fresh install, ubuntu mini + Kubuntu Desktop ... the minimal install surely worked, but cannot seem to use anything or start the lightdm/dm/kde
[21:55] <eternaL1> how can i be sure the kubuntu download worked properly during the minimal install?
[21:57] <ejay> guys, found a bug - dolphin is crashing when trying to open file from su directory (in my case xorg log file). file is opening via kate but dolphin is goin down. can anyone here try this out? sending bug report now.
[21:58] <pkulas> ejay : What is su directiory?
[21:58] <pkulas> ejay: do you have 2 files in kate?
[21:58] <pkulas> ejay : or it's first file opened
[21:59] <ejay> pkulas, i meant directory below my /home dir. for example - /etc, /usr
[21:59] <pkulas> ok
[21:59] <pkulas> ejay: So it freeze on second file?
[21:59] <ejay> pkulas, number of files opened does not matter. kate is working fine.
[22:00] <pkulas> ejay: yes but i had bug that dolphin crash when second opened in Kate by dolphin
[22:00] <ejay> pkulas, one file, two files, three files. dolphin is not responding after opening file.
[22:02] <ejay> pkulas, you know what? that's might be the case. opening two files indeed is killing dolphin. no matter what file. closing kate is making dolphin respond again. hmmm
[22:02] <ejay> pkulas, did you send this to bugtracker?
[22:03] <pkulas> ejay : Yes
[22:03] <pkulas> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346743 here
[22:03] <ubottu> KDE bug 346743 in general "Dolphin freeze when opening text files with Kate" [Crash,Unconfirmed]
[22:03] <pkulas> ejay: but probably it will be unconfirmed up to next release...
[22:03] <pkulas> ejay: like most of bugs reported there
[22:05] <ejay> pkulas, voted. thanks.
[22:08] <chrissg> Anyone here got owncloud (client) to autostart minized (plasma) to work?
[22:09] <Finetundra> hey folks, can I ask questions about clementine here?
[22:10] <ejay> Finetundra, you can always ask.
[22:12] <Finetundra> how do I get clementine to play .aac files?
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[22:15] <ejay> Finetrundra, did you tried this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/214421/how-to-install-the-mpeg-4-aac-decoder-and-the-h-264-decoder ?
[22:18] <JMichaelX> \
[22:19] <Finetundra> ejay, doesn't seem to have worked
[22:19] <Finetundra> :(
[22:19] <pkulas> Finetundra : is that file working with Amarok?
[22:20] <Finetundra> pkulas, yip
[22:20] <typhoon_2099_> I'm still having 15.04 issues. I've had to resort to purging the nvidia drivers and installin lightdm so that I can at least get logged in, otherwise I come up against the "starting version 219" screen at startup. SDDM is running, I've checked the systemctl and it's reported as active.
[22:20] <pkulas> then you no need codecs, already there just need to link them somehow to Clementine
[22:21] <pkulas> also you may consider about convert all files to mp3
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[22:22] <pkulas> Finetundra : http://askubuntu.com/questions/459512/how-to-play-m4a-in-clementine what about this?
[22:22] <Finetundra> pkulas, I actually have a good portion converted to .ogg but there's still a bit of my library that is in .aac and I was hoping to not have to convert it to .ogg
[22:24] <typhoon_2099_> Also, the nouveau driver are garbage, I don't know if there's some incompatibility with lightdm but the screen is doing partial repaints all the time.
[22:40] <typhoon_2099_> Is reinstalling Kubuntu going to be the easiest thing to do? I've been trying to fix this problem for 3 days now and it just seems to keep getting worse and worse.
[22:40] <victor2015> Hi everyone, just to mention I tried Kubuntu 15.04 but my wireless that uses password authentication didn't work said "configuring interface" and then failed connection but connections that don't require password worked.  Also, couldn't complete installation because grub setup failed.
[22:43] <Finetundra> victor2015: you may have to set the permission for the network to allow all users to connect to it. I'm on 14.04 but it may have carried over to 15.04
[22:43] <typhoon_2099_> Is it worth my time installing the 4.0 Kernel? I've heard a couple of peole saying that it solved their problems.
[22:44] <victor2015> Finetundra: I was successfully able to install kubuntu 14.04 without any of the problems I encountered in 15.04
[22:46] <CharlieTheCabbie> evening guys. Is blueskaj around please?
[22:47] <Finetundra> CharlieTheCabbie: he doesn't seem to be in the channel
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[22:49] <CharlieTheCabbie> Oh baubles.  I am still trying to find someone who can help me fix my install of vervet.  I cannot get plasma to kick into life, I can't even get it to the KDE splash now.  I am having to login using xfce and I don't want that :(
[22:49] <typhoon_2099_> I've finally managed to get logged in using lightdm, I still have no idea how to get SDDM working.
[22:50] <CharlieTheCabbie> I've changed my nvidia drivers to 304 which is what supports my card, I have tried restarting the sddm, I have done 2 dist upgrades in 24 hours, 1404LTS to 1410, then 1410 to 1504
[22:50] <N3X15> CharlieTheCabbie, you've made a huge mistake.
[22:51] <N3X15> Because 15.04 is horribly broken at the moment.
[22:51] <typhoon_2099_> Is it possible to downgrade to 14.10 again?
[22:52] <N3X15> According to the wiki, the answer is no.
[22:53] <CharlieTheCabbie> "Brace yourself Ubuntu lovers!! Yes, the final stable version of Ubuntu 15.04, code named Vivid Vervet, is now ready for download."
[22:53] <N3X15> typhoon_2099, according to the wiki, no
[22:53] <typhoon_2099_> Just found out that unplugging my monitor kills KDE or something.
[22:53] <typhoon_2099_> That's disappointing.
[22:53] <CharlieTheCabbie> http://www.unixmen.com/ubuntu-15-04-final-version-and-its-official-flavours-have-been-released/ ^^
[22:53] <typhoon_2099_> My install is totally borked.
[22:54] <CharlieTheCabbie> mine is falling apart like a flatpacked motorcycle, typhoon_2099
[22:54] <CharlieTheCabbie> I am downloading an iso of 15.04 and I'm gonna go for a fresh install
[22:54] <typhoon_2099_> I figured I had done something wrong and was going loopy over why the thing wouldn't let me log in properly. Nice to know my mistake was upgrading.
[22:55] <N3X15> Try using lightdm
[22:55] <CharlieTheCabbie> If the distribution was that badly broken, it should not have been released. What the hell is beta testing for???
[22:55] <typhoon_2099_> I might have to do the same. I'm worried about my /etc configs getting wiped though.
[22:55] <N3X15> Some people have success using that over sddm
[22:55] <CharlieTheCabbie> How do I swap to lightdm over sddm?
[22:55] <typhoon_2099_> I have, though it's still not super smooth or anything, but it will get your desktop back.
[22:56] <typhoon_2099_> sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm, then select lightdm.
[22:56] <typhoon_2099_> Or install lightdm from apt i it's not there.
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[22:58] <typhoon_2099_> Cheers guys.
[23:00] <CharlieTheCabbie> well I'll definitely give that a go before I nail my netinstalled version and start the whole thing again!
[23:01] <N3X15> Remember to back up everything.
[23:01] <CharlieTheCabbie> I'll simply copy my whole /home folder onto my external HD and then unplug it before I reinstall, that way I know it can't be accessed during the work
[23:03] <N3X15> yeah
[23:03] <N3X15> I'm considering reinstalling with 14.x
[23:04] <N3X15> The UI is nice once it comes up, but if you try to change anything, you incur the wrath of god
[23:06] <CharlieTheCabbie> I incurred the wrath of God already by having my PC which sounds like a fighter jet taking off from Mildenhall, running all night while I was trying to sleep.  It was like trying to kip in a wind tunnel
[23:06] <CharlieTheCabbie> It's been switched on now for 33 hours
[23:27] <N3X15> CharlieTheCabbie, my Debian test server is a 2U rackmount server which sounds like a hairdryer.  I actually have gotten so used to it that I can't sleep if it's not running.
[23:39] <Simonious> you guys have a favorite place for image pastes?
[23:40] <Simonious> http://oi58.tinypic.com/f3hyc5.jpg <- how do I get this to look in the correct location for this update?  (it checked a local server which most certanly does not have what it is looking for)
[23:41] <Simonious> I know I screwed this up and made it point to the wrong place, but I'm not sure how to fix it.
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