2015/09/10/#kubuntu-devel.txt

[00:57] <ahoneybun> valorie: I saw it somewhere
[00:58]  * ahoneybun misses everyone lol
[01:03] <ahoneybun> valorie: I need to find the email though lol
[01:07] <ahoneybun> mmm "Make sure the upstream project uses the Ubuntu translators team structure" is a bit demanding I think
[01:07] <ahoneybun> every team I think has there own structure
[01:14] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I could change out the wallpaper for the new 5.4 one and a few other thing
[01:14] <ahoneybun> *things
[01:15] <ahoneybun> I see sitter did a change to the font
[01:18] <ahoneybun> Riddell: seems he and Jens got some really nice work going
[04:09] <valorie> ahoneybun: it was to kub-devel, almost a week ago
[06:20] <soee> yofel: https://plus.google.com/u/0/+RodrigoPinheiroMatias/posts/Ym2gTyBektN
[06:22] <sbivol> Hi! KDEsvn is missing from Vivid and Wily. is there a technical reason for that, or has it been forgotten? can I help in some way to bring it back?
[07:48] <ovidiu-florin> sbivol: it's because it hasn't been ported to KF5
[07:48] <ovidiu-florin> and it's dependencies on KDE4 do not exist anymore, they have been ported to KF5
[07:48] <sbivol> that didn't stop Krusader from being packaged :-)
[07:48] <ovidiu-florin> not the same dependencies
[07:49] <ovidiu-florin> I've started the port to KF5, but it's codebase is HUUUGE
[07:49] <ovidiu-florin> and severely outdated
[07:49] <ovidiu-florin> there's still code in there form KDE3
[07:50] <ovidiu-florin> and at every compilation it screams DEPRECATED!!
[07:50] <ovidiu-florin> but since noone works on it, no one notices that
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[08:10] <valorie> ovidiu-florin: so you are becoming the maintainer?
[08:10] <ovidiu-florin> not really
[08:11] <ovidiu-florin> I've done some porting and that's it
[08:11] <ovidiu-florin> I haven't really had time to look into it more
[08:12] <valorie> when you are the one who cares for it, you *are* the maintainer
[08:20] <valorie> but anyway, sleep time for me
[08:31] <Riddell> sitter: you pung?
[08:32] <sitter> Riddell: got sorted I think
[08:45] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin, ahoneybun and (I think) claydoh: congratulations with the election :)
[08:51] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: are you on hollidays?
[08:52] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: nope
[09:20] <clivejo> ooo a new verison of Kubuntu is available
[10:08] <lordievader> ?
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[10:11] <yofel> sitter: why?
[10:11] <Riddell> sitter: oh qextserialthing and marble are in ~jr ppa for review
[10:11] <sitter> isn't 5.4.1 done?
[10:12] <yofel> that's not what I meant..
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[10:12] <sitter> I think we all know that #kubuntu-devel is kubuntu ...
[10:12] <yofel> we always had that there, lets leave it there...
[10:13] <sitter> Riddell: qextserialport ftbfs
[10:13] <sitter> yofel: that's a crap reason to do anything :P
[10:13] <Riddell> sitter: hmm, maybe I should review my own work first
[10:13] <yofel> it gives people a friendly impression
[10:13] <yofel> how about that for a reason? ^^
[10:13] <Riddell> yay plasma-workspace accepted into wily
[10:14] <Riddell> sounds like a good reason to me
[10:14] <clivejo> some people are just so unfriendly :P
[10:24] <clivejo> Riddell: what did I do wrong with qextserialthingiemabob?
[10:25] <clivejo> was I even on the right tracks?
[10:29] <Riddell> clivejo: I don't think you did much in the way of changes, it needed the build-depends changed and the generated .deb packages given new names
[10:31] <clivejo> where do you get that information from?
[10:42] <Riddell> clivejo: the build-deps I'm still working out, it's educated guesswork based on knowing that it will build with qt5 -dev packages instead of qt4 ones
[10:43] <Riddell> it's made harder by not using cmake which says fairly clearly what it's looking for, it uses qmake which is just black magic
[10:43] <Riddell> and the name of the packages is the same as the name of the .so library files it makes
[11:28] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:15] <ahoneybun> I'm really happy to see all those changes in the slideshow :)
[12:15] <ahoneybun> thanks Riddell and sitter
[12:15] <ahoneybun> also jens
[12:16] <ahoneybun> lordievader: ovidiu-florin, claydoh and I, yes
[12:36] <Riddell> sitter, shadeslayer: how do I fix this?  pangea-tooling (master)>./jenkins_jobs_update.rb
[12:36] <Riddell> /usr/lib/ruby/2.1.0/rubygems/core_ext/kernel_require.rb:55:in `require': cannot load such file -- jenkins_api_client (LoadError)
[12:36] <Riddell> I guessed and tried sudo gem install jenkins but that didn't help
[12:38]  * Riddell guesses and tries  gem install jenkins_api_client
[12:41] <shadeslayer> bundler install
[12:41] <shadeslayer> y u no bundler install
[12:45] <Riddell> onto it
[12:46] <Riddell> seems to have helped, thanks
[12:55] <Riddell> sitter: shadeslayer: well running jenkins_jobs_update doesn't seem to add new stuff to mobile.kci, what am I doing wrong? I'm wanting to add kdepimlibs and probably others
[12:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did you modify projects.json?
[12:56] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I did not, but I don't see what to add in there
[12:56] <Riddell> it has "all_repos" : [ "frameworks", "plasma", "applications", "kubuntu"
[12:57] <Riddell> and I guess it should be included from that
[12:59] <shadeslayer> hmmm
[12:59] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did you set your authentication details?
[12:59] <shadeslayer> Riddell: in ~/.config/pangea-jenkins.json
[13:00] <shadeslayer> Riddell: also, it's using ci-tooling/data/projects_mci.json
[13:00] <Riddell> yep
[13:00] <shadeslayer> so perhaps you edited the wrong projects.json
[13:02] <Riddell> that could be it, let me try that
[13:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yay it worked, thanks
[13:07] <shadeslayer> wheee
[13:07] <shadeslayer> yw
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[14:04] <sitter> Riddell: seems to me you broke kaccount-integration all the way?
[14:04] <Riddell> sitter: see #plasma, but it should be fixed now
[14:04] <Riddell> built from wily_archive and building now from _unstable in mobile.kci
[14:05] <sitter> Riddell: i will not be able to become green on KCI until all traces of it are gone upstream
[14:05] <sitter> *it
[14:06] <Riddell> sitter: it'll still complain about the missing dep cmake wants? isn't there a cmake-ignore.json equivalent?
[14:06] <sitter> you shouldn't cmake-ignore things like that
[14:07] <sitter> if mck182 wants it gone it has to go upstream
[14:07] <Riddell> why not? if upstream says it should be ignored then seems fair enough
[14:07] <sitter> if it shoulnd't be gone then it should be built
[14:07] <mck182> I'll make it gone if that helps
[14:07] <sitter> yeah
[14:07] <mck182> though it's still an optional dep
[14:07] <sitter> mck182: that does not matter to cmake
[14:08] <sitter> either it is supported in which case we should build it
[14:08] <sitter> or it is not supported and it should be entirely disabled upstream
[14:08] <mck182> how it does not matter to cmake? it will not error out on you if the dep is not present
[14:08] <mck182> and being optional
[14:08] <sitter> mck182: it will report it as missing and missing things are missing
[14:08] <mck182> then what's the point of OPTIONAL in cmake?
[14:09] <mck182> what's the point of anything? :O
[14:09] <sitter> mck182: to have something not required
[14:09] <mck182> yes, so stop requiring it xD
[14:09] <sitter> you are telling us to ignore that it is missing
[14:10] <mck182> well I'll get rid of it...nobody from pim has tested it anyway
[14:10] <mck182> so I doubt it even works
[14:10] <sitter> problem solved then
[14:10] <mck182> it is...but I still don't understand why can't optional deps be ignored 
[14:11] <sitter> they can be ignored they just shouldn't
[14:12] <sitter> ignored is for when you optionally depend on vlc and gstreamer. and we don't care for gstreamer so we make the executive decision that we never want to build gstreamer and ignore it being missing
[14:13] <mck182> sounds like this case ^^
[14:13] <sitter> ignoring random stuff because right now we don't want it means that when it becomes a useful thing again a human will need to tell another human that we should package it again
[14:13] <mck182> right
[14:13] <sitter> which will not happen
[14:13] <mck182> yeah I see your point
[14:13] <mck182> it will have to be rewritten for akonadi2 anyway
[14:13] <sitter> *nod*
[14:14] <mck182> and nobody from pim caring is making me not care if it's removed
[14:20] <jacobtey> Hi! Can anybody answer me what about localization in KDE Application 15.08? I'm using kubuntu-ci ppa. There isn't kde-l10n-ru-15.08 that was announced in august
[14:22] <Riddell> I don't think kde-l10n is in CI
[14:22] <Riddell> but it should be in wily
[14:26] <jacobtey> I took this one from wily. But a half is still in english. I thought it is not suitable 
[14:31] <Riddell> sitter: why do you say "kdepim: also needs libkolab bdep apparently" ?
[14:32] <Riddell> jacobtey: you'd need to look into the package to see what's not there or what's broken then
[14:32] <sitter> Riddell: it had them previously. butthey seem gone in 15.08 so I guess that's not actually true
[14:35] <ScottK> Depends on if you want to support being a kolab client.
[14:35] <ScottK> It's an optional build-dep.
[14:36] <jacobtey> Riddell: Thank U. I'll try
[15:29] <soee_> can someone conform bug with Agregator: if we try to open link in it tab, whole Agregator will crash
[15:31] <soee_> if we rerun it than, it asks to restore session or not but no matter what we pick it will crash again and after few tries to stat it again it will work
[16:53] <mhall119> ahoneybun: ovidiu-florin: claydoh: thank you all for stepping up and taking on roles in the Kubuntu Council
[18:04] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: has that «catching up» been scheduled yet?
[18:05] <ovidiu-florin> I have an exam tomorrow, so I'm kind of busy tonight, to study
[18:40] <soee_> any idea why Wily doesn't have LO 5 yet ?
[18:43] <davmor2> soee_: not packaged at a guess, I think it has a feature freeze exception though Riddell can possibly confirm that though, /me isn't sure where they exist
[18:43] <ahoneybun> davmor2: soee_ I know libreoffice has it packaged for wily
[18:43] <soee_> uhm, strange as there is already 5.0.1
[18:44] <soee_> so sticked in proposed maybe ?
[18:45] <davmor2> soee_: http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/ubuntu-15-10-wily-werewolf-gets-the-latest-libreoffice-5-0-rc3-487097.shtml
[18:46] <soee_> so not in archive :/
[18:49] <murthy> sitter: Is this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1087409 got addressed in the new installed?
[18:49] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1087409 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Missing feedback/progress dialog while installing drivers" [High,Triaged]
[18:49] <murthy> *installer
[18:50] <murthy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1389847
[18:50] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1389847 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity waits until the driver-manager finishes before proceeding to the partitioning screen" [Undecided,New]
[18:51] <sitter> eh
[18:52] <sitter> n
[18:52] <sitter> no
[18:52] <murthy> can you take a look at it when you find time?
[18:53] <murthy> Also I think the fadeout time of osd for the new volume control needs to be reduced
[19:00] <sitter> terribly unlikely that we'll invest anymore time into ubiquity
[19:01] <sitter> the code is utterly unworkable
[19:15] <soee_> are there any alternative installers ?
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[20:14] <valorie> ovidiu-florin: I don't know, I just came face-to-face with that email yet again, and wanted to be sure y'all saw it
[20:15] <valorie> I'm afraid I don't have the heart to lead on that, but I will attend if others want to "catch up"
[20:23] <ahoneybun> valorie: I'll go if I have time
[20:31] <clivejo> anyone up for beta testing KDE Connect - https://play.google.com/apps/testing/org.kde.kdeconnect_tp 
[20:33] <valorie> done
[20:33] <valorie> thanks, clivejo
[20:34] <valorie> I would ask in #kde as well
[20:34] <soee_> sure :)
[20:34] <valorie> or maybe #plasma
[20:35] <soee_> hihi, Whats new: Probably new bugs introduced ... :D
[20:36] <soee_> wow, new look is cool :)
[20:39] <soee_> mdia controls seems to not work
[20:39] <soee_> i can't control Amarok
[20:41] <soee_> but i can send files to my laptop and browse phone 
[20:41] <ahoneybun> mm right they need to be on the same network...
[20:41] <ahoneybun> my desktop is wired to the network and the phone is wireless
[20:46] <clivejo> ahoneybun: mine is like that too, works ok
[20:46] <ahoneybun> I cannot see my phone and visa 
[20:46] <ahoneybun> ohh
[20:46] <valorie> I said I would be a tester, but don't see anything new on my phone
[20:46] <ahoneybun> now it did
[20:46] <clivejo> soee_: I wonder will the desktop software need an update too#
[20:46] <valorie> do I have to click the download button?
[20:47] <valorie> as well
[20:47] <ahoneybun> I had to search for the app and saw that there was an update
[20:47] <valorie> when I click on it, it just says "installed"
[20:47] <valorie> I'll be patient
[20:48] <clivejo> has this been mentioned today?
[20:48] <ahoneybun> amarok works
[20:48] <ahoneybun> valorie: think we need a post about the testing?
[20:48] <clivejo> Ive been logged off so I dont know what has been said
[20:49] <valorie> clivejo: mentioned where?
[20:49] <ahoneybun> we for sure need a post on the site about the KC
[20:49] <valorie> you were the first to post here in IRC about this
[20:49] <clivejo> in this channel or plasma
[20:49] <valorie> I've not read up in plasma yet
[20:53]  * ahoneybun drafts a news post
[20:58] <valorie> a search of the bash shows only kdeconnect commits, no mention of testing
[20:59] <valorie> however, husband is already working on MY project out in the yard, so I'll soon have to start work on that!
[20:59] <valorie> esp. since he washed and vacuumed my car yesterday
[20:59] <valorie> <3
[21:00] <ahoneybun> https://paste.kde.org/pvxdsg7xr
[21:00] <ahoneybun> my draft of the post
[21:03] <valorie> I would say at the beginning: following the departure
[21:04] <valorie> and just leave out the reasons
[21:04] <valorie> and make "3", three
[21:04] <valorie> always best to spell out numbers under 100
[21:06] <ahoneybun> thanks valorie
[21:07] <valorie> thanks for writing the story
[21:07]  * valorie leaves to go work in the burning sun
[21:07] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: seemed to think I wanted to brag XD
[21:08] <ahoneybun> I think it is good enough for a launch now
[21:17] <clivejo> interesting comment on Play page for KDE Connect - "*NOTE for Ubuntu users: The Ubuntu folks are not updating their repos as fast as this app gets updated. Some features will not work if the KDE Connect version in you desktop doesn't match the one in your phone."
[21:28] <soee_> :/
[21:30] <clivejo> anything new with you soee_ ?
[21:32] <soee_> with ?
[21:39] <clivejo> life, Kubuntu, the universe?
[21:39] <clivejo> oh looks like Mycroft is a go!
[21:40] <clivejo> Does anyone else think this is just creepy ?!? - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/aiforeveryone/mycroft-an-open-source-artificial-intelligence-for/posts/1345032
[21:41]  * ahoneybun likes it
[21:42] <clivejo> Mycroft is watching you!!
[21:44] <soee_> https://plus.google.com/+KristerHallergard/posts/K9YcFDvs2Lq
[21:49] <clivejo> soee_: interesting video
[21:49] <clivejo> got a shiver down my back seeing Ubuntu!
[22:00] <ahoneybun> the heck... with root?
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