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[13:15] <gary_poster> bac, benji, objectives today if possible (especially since I'm going on vacation) |
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[13:16] <gary_poster> also, is it safe to run lp2kanban? Should I just run it with |
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[13:16] <gary_poster> bin/py src/lp2kanban/bugs2cards.py -e [email protected] -p <yourpassword> |
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[13:16] <gary_poster> or do I need to specify the board? |
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[13:17] <gary_poster> It looks like the ones I've done as test cases have not yet been synced |
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[13:17] <benji> gary_poster: I did mine yesterday... hopefully correctly. |
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[13:17] <gary_poster> cool benji I'll look. thanks |
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[13:18] <gary_poster> benji, bac, oddly, I get |
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[13:18] <gary_poster> Traceback (most recent call last): |
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[13:18] <gary_poster> File "src/lp2kanban/bugs2cards.py", line 5, in <module> |
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[13:18] <gary_poster> from argparse import ArgumentParser |
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[13:18] <gary_poster> ImportError: No module named argparse |
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[13:19] <benji> gary_poster: did you run the buildout? that's a new dependency |
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[13:19] <gary_poster> I did, but maybe before I updated. lemme retry |
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[13:20] <benji> if that doesn't work, perhaps it wasn't added to the install requires entry |
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[13:20] <gary_poster> benji, bin/buildout did nothing, and retrying failed again. We can look into it later |
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[13:24] <gary_poster> benji, updating setup and buildout made it work. I'l commit in a sec. Looks like it is updating ythe test board? |
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[13:24] <benji> gary_poster: no idea, I haven't touched it lately |
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[13:24] <gary_poster> looks like -b yellow should work... |
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[13:26] <bac> hi gary_poster |
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[13:26] <gary_poster> hey bac |
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[13:26] <gary_poster> got it to work |
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[13:26] <bac> gary_poster: yes, yellowtest is the default. safer that way |
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[13:26] <gary_poster> agreed |
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[13:26] <bac> gary_poster: and cards must be marked to get synced |
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[13:26] <gary_poster> but no cards are reported as updated (I mean, that's what the script reports). I'm seeing what the cnstraint is... |
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[13:27] <gary_poster> ah ok |
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[13:27] <bac> title.startswith("sync:") or a tag in the description |
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[13:27] <gary_poster> coo; |
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[13:27] <gary_poster> cool, I see that |
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[13:28] <gary_poster> trying |
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[13:28] <gary_poster> bac benji danilos, call in 2 |
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[13:28] <bac> ok |
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[13:28] <danilos> ack |
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[13:29] <benji> gary_poster: for a second there I thought Julia had taken over your IRC client |
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[13:30] <gary_poster> bac, benji, ta-dar! :-) I synced my two bugs |
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[13:30] <benji> yay! |
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[13:30] <gary_poster> ga ga goo goo |
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[13:30] <danilos> fwiw, does anyone find that leankitkanban is much less responsive lately |
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[13:30] <bac> gary_poster: ooo, try again |
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[13:30] <danilos> maybe that was while the script was running :)) |
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[13:30] <gary_poster> heh |
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[13:30] * benji wonders if it's onomatopoeia like a pirate day. |
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[13:30] <gary_poster> bac, running |
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[13:31] <gary_poster> I'll start the call when it is finished |
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[13:31] <gary_poster> note you have to reload the board |
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[13:31] <bac> nice |
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[13:31] <gary_poster> it's done |
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[13:31] <bac> no |
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[13:31] <bac> it reload automatically |
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[13:31] <gary_poster> oh I see |
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[13:31] <gary_poster> I just wasn't patient enough the first time |
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[13:31] <gary_poster> sweet! |
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[13:31] <danilos> yeah, I got a notice how the board is updated |
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[13:32] <benji> yeah, in my experience it behaves the same as when people update the board |
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[13:32] <bac> gary_poster: how did you resolve the argparser issue? |
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[13:32] <gary_poster> bac, just updated setup.py and buildout.cfg. will commit |
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[13:33] <bac> why did it work for me? is that required for things that are in the standard distribution? |
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[13:39] <benji> bac: my psychic powers tell me that you're running Python 2.7 which has argparse and Gary is running 2.6 which doesn't |
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[13:40] <bac> benji: hmm, i thought i'd used 2.6 |
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[13:41] <benji> bac: that or you're using a python with argparse already installed |
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[13:41] <bac> benji: i guess. i don't recall installing it. /me looks |
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[13:42] <danilos> gary_poster, lp:~danilo/launchpad/bug-772754-other-subscribers-remove-cruft |
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[13:42] <bac> benji: i guess i'm wrong! it is in /usr/lib/pymodules so i guess that is something i installed? |
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[13:43] <benji> I can't tell from here. ;) |
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[13:43] * benji supresses a system-python-is-evil rant. |
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[13:44] <bac> yep, i'd installed python-argparse at some point |
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[13:46] <bac> hey benji i was thinking it might be a good idea to save off the initial state of the kanban board in case we mess it up in some way. i assume there is nothing in their API that would allow recovery. |
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[13:47] <benji> yeah, I don't know of a way to set the entire board state (although, as you know, they let you retrieve it) |
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[13:48] <bac> benji: i forgot to tell you that you and i swapped #launchpad help contact days this week! i covered for you on monday. you mind picking it up today? |
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[13:49] <benji> bac: sure |
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[13:50] <benji> I swear! Now the Gnome shell is crashing on me. Maybe it wan't Unity's fault. |
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[13:56] <benji> gary_poster: after looking at bug 697735 for a little while, I've realized that either I don't think it should be considered a bug or I don't understand what it should do instead -- if you hand craft odd URLs you'll get wierd errors, what's wrong with that? |
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[13:56] <_mup_> Bug #697735: ValueError raised submitting bogus query string <lp-foundations> <oops> <Launchpad itself:Triaged by benji> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/697735 > |
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[14:01] <gary_poster> sorry, just saw that; looking |
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[14:02] <gary_poster> benji, from a high-level perspective, the problem is that OOPS reports are supposed to be actionable |
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[14:02] <gary_poster> benji, it's fine for the user to get an error |
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[14:03] <gary_poster> benji, but as you say, there's nothing for us to fix--so we should not get an OOPS |
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[14:03] <gary_poster> That's my understanding |
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[14:03] <benji> makes sense, I was missing that angle |
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[14:03] <gary_poster> Of course, fixing it may be a little exciting :-/ |
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[14:04] <benji> yeah, I'm starting to wonder if I made a bad pick. I'll timebox at least the first stab at fixing it to see where it goes. |
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[15:02] <gary_poster> anyone, what date did you choose for your allhands objectives' target dates? I have responded to all of them so I can't see them anymore :-P |
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[15:03] <gary_poster> Oh Apr 12 |
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[15:03] <gary_poster> nm |
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[15:05] <danilos> gary_poster, something random for me, mostly in March/April next year |
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[15:05] <gary_poster> :-) |
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[15:05] <gary_poster> cool |
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[15:05] <gary_poster> dragnob said in her email today april 12 |
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[15:05] <gary_poster> I dunno if that is real or not |
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[15:06] <gary_poster> but whatever, it's in the ballpark :-) |
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[15:06] <gary_poster> thanks |
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[15:07] <danilos> gary_poster, fwiw, all the MPs are up and linked to the bug, in order of how they are in my pipeline (and in order of their dependencies; -lp-names is the only one which is relatively independent) |
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[15:08] <danilos> gary_poster, -sections, -subscribers, -activity, and -loading should be most interesting |
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[15:08] <gary_poster> danilos, awesome. I got your last branch and I think it is built now; I'll look at the UX, and the diffs, soon. |
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[15:09] <danilos> gary_poster, fwiw, anything after -loading (inclusive) but before the last one (exclusive) will have two subscribers lists :) |
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[15:09] <gary_poster> danilos, heh, ok, good to know :-) |
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[15:09] <danilos> gary_poster, I wouldn't mind you reviewing a branch or two while I add tests for -actions :)) |
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[15:10] <gary_poster> danilos, ok cool. I should be able to start in about 10 min. |
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[15:12] <danilos> gary_poster, yeah, no worries, you don't have to review them (especially not all of them, that's why I split them up :) |
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[15:12] <danilos> gary_poster, I am also asking on #launchpad-dev, so if are starting a review, please claim it |
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[15:12] <gary_poster> ack |
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[15:16] <benji> gary_poster: what is an "informational" oops? |
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[15:16] <Ursinha> an oops that's not an oops? :P |
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[15:17] <gary_poster> benji, yeah |
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[15:17] <gary_poster> we track them separately |
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[15:18] <gary_poster> we don't need to drive them to zero |
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[15:18] <benji> gary_poster: so would inappropriate use of :int be an informational oops? |
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[15:18] <gary_poster> but it is convenient to use the OOPS machinery to collect the data |
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[15:18] <gary_poster> eh |
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[15:18] <gary_poster> no |
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[15:18] <gary_poster> not as far as I know |
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[15:18] <benji> but we don't really want to collect anything |
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[15:19] <gary_poster> because we don't want to track itright |
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[15:22] <gary_poster> benji, do you know how to generate api docs from a lazr.restful app, like api.launchpad.net/+apidoc ? This is a question from ISD |
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[15:23] <benji> gary_poster: not off the top of my head, but I'm sure I could figure it out quickly enough |
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[15:24] <gary_poster> benji, if that's ok, please do; my stack is getting too deep for last day before vacation :-) |
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[15:24] <benji> heh, ok |
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[15:37] <benji> gary_poster: there's no super-straightforward way, but it's not too bad. The best thing would be for them to look at utilities/create-lp-wadl-and-apidoc.py in LP. |
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[15:38] <gary_poster> benji, ok thanks |
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[15:42] <gary_poster> benji, I told Ricardo Kirkner, "pindonga," that he could ping you if he had questions. I suggest that the first time he asks you for help, you give it to him as soon as convenient; subsequent times give him focus no more than once or twice a day if possible, unless, in your judgement, you think you ought to give him more. Good relations are good, and they are doing important things. |
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[15:43] <benji> k |
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[16:02] <danilos> gary_poster, fwiw, I found one of the problems "generic" webkit JS engine (eg. epiphany) borks on: "class" as a variable name, or more frequently, a function parameter :/ |
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[16:04] <gary_poster> danilos, interesting! |
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[16:05] <gary_poster> good to file away |
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[16:05] <gary_poster> and unfortunate :-/ |
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[16:05] <danilos> gary_poster, do you happen to know if that's a problem for Safari as well? I find it interesting because webkit JS should be identical in both, minus the version differences |
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[16:06] <gary_poster> I don't know off-hand danilos. I mosty use Chrom these days, which has a different JS engine AFAIK |
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[16:06] <danilos> gary_poster, yeah, it does |
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[16:12] <danilos> gary_poster, looking at the code, it seems your unlanded branch is the only one which tries to use it, though :) http://paste.ubuntu.com/623491/ if you want to apply it to your branch directly |
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[16:13] <gary_poster> danilos, cool, thanks, will do |
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[16:14] <danilos> gary_poster, ftr, it seems to be a problem with safari as well: http://blog.solution10.com/2010/02/use-of-class-in-javascript |
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[16:16] <gary_poster> cool |
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[16:16] <gary_poster> thanks |
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[16:30] * danilos -> off, pushing branches up took longer than I expected, so still tests missing for the final branch |
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[16:31] * danilos needs to add task cards to the kanban board as well... :/ |
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[16:59] * gary_poster lunches |
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[17:01] <gary_poster> bac, I want to reorder the sections in danilos' final branch. I don't know if it affects yours. I think that "Maybe notified" should be last, as it is in the mockup (and I wonder if we should have a help icon with the explanation for what "Maybe notified" means). |
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[17:01] <gary_poster> I suspect that is in a later branch |
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[17:02] <gary_poster> but wanted to share now, in case it is in that one |
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[17:02] <gary_poster> I'll dig in more after lunch |
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[18:24] <bac> ok |
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[18:31] <gary_poster> I'll just put the comment in the last MP and not worry about it, I think. |
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[18:41] <benji> gary_poster: I have a pretty good solution to the bug we discussed earlier (bug 697735) but I wanted to get a consult to be sure it doesn't go too high on the hack-o-meter: https://pastebin.canonical.com/48394/ |
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[18:41] <_mup_> Bug #697735: ValueError raised submitting bogus query string <lp-foundations> <oops> <Launchpad itself:Triaged by benji> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/697735 > |
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[18:41] <gary_poster> k, looking |
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[18:41] <benji> it scores a 3/10 on my unit here, but mine is known to be unreliable |
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[18:41] <gary_poster> :-) |
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[18:46] <gary_poster> benji, mm, BrowserRequest.__processItem is so tasty. |
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[18:47] <benji> heh, how so? |
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[18:48] <gary_poster> sarcasm, just that it is so big and dense that copying and modifying is really unappealing, and then combine that with the __* munging and you have a really great reason to do the monkeypatch, which is a shame |
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[18:48] <gary_poster> benji, did you consider having a marker interface for the request instead? |
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[18:49] <gary_poster> we do that kind of thing a lot |
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[18:49] <benji> oh, indeed |
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[18:49] <benji> re. marker; well, it'd be a marker on the exception, right? That'd be fine with me. |
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[18:50] <gary_poster> benji, wouldn't it have to be on the request? |
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[18:50] <benji> the reason I did it this way is because it mirrors the way we did something similar for the web service |
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[18:50] <gary_poster> since _isIgnoredException takes strtype |
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[18:50] <gary_poster> not the actual instance |
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[18:50] <benji> it also (after I changed it) takes the exception instance |
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[18:51] <gary_poster> oh, duh, yeah |
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[18:51] <gary_poster> so yeah, on the exception sounds good |
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[18:51] <gary_poster> that way you could do it on the fly or as a general statement in code |
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[18:52] <gary_poster> ("this kind of exception is not oops worthy") |
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[18:52] <benji> sounds good |
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[18:52] <gary_poster> cool |
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[18:52] <gary_poster> benji, the only thing that really irks me is the monkeypatch, and I see why you did it. Overriding __processItem does not seem like a nice option |
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[18:53] <gary_poster> well... |
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[18:53] <benji> right, it seemed like the lesser of the two evils; the other option would be to modify zope.publisher to make this easier |
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[18:57] <gary_poster> I looked for the word "monkeypatch" in the code, and I only saw mailman do it, which is not regarded as one of our high marks :-) |
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[18:59] <gary_poster> benji, I'd get bac's opinion, which will be easy since he'll probably be your reviewer. I think I'd trust his opinion more than mine. The only other thought I had was that you could consider moving the monkeypatch to lib/lp_sitecustomize.py. It is where we do other similar sorts of things, and is where people will expect to find stuff like this AFAIK |
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[19:00] <gary_poster> benji, other than that, I think the interface-on-the-exception method of squelching OOPSes will be quite welcome, and should be announced. |
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[19:00] <benji> k; I'll look in lib/lp_sitecustomize.py, and add a comment there that hopedully would have helped me find it when I was looking for a home for this thing |
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[19:00] <gary_poster> cool |
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[19:00] <benji> k |
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[19:01] * benji orders bright white, embossed announcement cards. |
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[19:01] <gary_poster> :-) |
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[20:05] * benji is reminded by his phone to do CHR tasks. |
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[20:12] <benji> hmm, we seem to be behind in project/license review (or I'm doing it wrong) |
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[20:28] <benji> gary_poster: your lost soul is still lost: https://support.one.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=2433 What should I do for him? Ask a LOSA to change his account's email address? |
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[20:31] <gary_poster> benji, I was bad (and/or swamped in other things) today and didn't do CHR, and we are missing gmb, so you are getting a bunch. Sorry. :-( bac, is there any chance you could give some thoughts on help we could give to that guy--the oops that he mentions? |
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[20:31] <gary_poster> I *think* we just need to set a preferred email, but I'm not really sure, and going int the raw SQL feels a bit like diving into the deep end which might have some hungry sharks hanging around. |
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[20:31] <benji> heh |
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[20:32] <gary_poster> So I'm hoping you have some insight on "tried and true" things to do to help that guy, bac |
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[20:32] <gary_poster> (from your registry days) |
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[20:32] <benji> k, I'll set his email address; how do we know that we're not being soccially engineered into giving control of someone's account to someone else? |
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[20:36] <bac> gary_poster: i'll look |
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[20:37] <gary_poster> benji, we contacted him at this email address |
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[20:37] <gary_poster> thanks bac |
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[20:37] <gary_poster> getting kids from school, biab |
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[20:38] <benji> Hmm, I don't understand that. He said he doesn't have access to the account's current email address any more. |
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[20:41] <bac> benji: i'm confused too |
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[20:57] <gary_poster> benji, bac, it may have been because it was compromised? The situation was that his account was sending spam |
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[20:57] <bac> benji: so here is my take. the dude was suspended for spamming. it is unclear whether he confirmed that he resolved his spam problem, i.e. changed password, got rid of browser issue |
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[20:58] <bac> i think when we reactivate his account he has to go to the 'forgot my password' dance to get reinstated |
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[20:58] <bac> is that right, gary_poster? |
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[20:58] <gary_poster> (he said there was no browser issue) |
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[20:58] <bac> if so, he's currently stuck as he won't be able to retrieve the link |
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[20:58] <gary_poster> forgot my password: well...we suspended his LP account |
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[20:59] <gary_poster> not his SSO acount AFAIK |
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[20:59] <bac> gary_poster: then why can't he log in now? why is his account still showing as suspended (grey avatar)? |
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[20:59] <gary_poster> I don't know. I think it is because of an LP bug |
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[20:59] <gary_poster> if you look at the state in the administartion page |
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[21:00] <gary_poster> then I think you'll see that he is actuve |
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[21:00] <gary_poster> actve |
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[21:00] <gary_poster> active |
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[21:00] <gary_poster> (he said, typing slowly) |
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[21:00] <gary_poster> what I thought we needed |
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[21:00] <gary_poster> was to set a preferred email |
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[21:01] <gary_poster> because that's what the OOPS points to |
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[21:01] <gary_poster> but maybe logging in via SSO would work? |
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[21:01] <gary_poster> Should we tell him to make a new account, and then merge the new into the old? |
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[21:02] <gary_poster> if there's no accessible email associated with the old account, that won't work either |
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[21:02] <bac> oh, i missed that there was an OOPS |
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[21:02] <bac> no, a merge will not work |
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[21:03] <gary_poster> ok |
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[21:03] <bac> gary_poster: what is the OOPS? |
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[21:03] <bac> i don't see it |
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[21:03] <bac> i don't think lifeless understands my silly attempts at humor. |
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[21:04] <gary_poster> bac, argh, sorry. This is not the most pitiful of souls, nor the one I was thinking about or talking about. I meant https://support.one.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=2120 |
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[21:04] <gary_poster> who has been unable to log in for two weeks now |
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[21:04] <bac> aha! |
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[21:04] <gary_poster> bac, OOPS-1973H90 |
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[21:05] <gary_poster> bug 793670 |
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[21:05] <_mup_> Bug #793670: User account missing preferred email after suspension/reactivation <oops> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/793670 > |
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[21:05] <benji> gary_poster: what's the bug number for the redoing of the bug subscription overlay you were working on? |
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[21:05] <benji> (I can't find it on the board.) |
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[21:06] <gary_poster> benji bug 772754 (Feature Work: (BIG BUGS)) |
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[21:06] <_mup_> Bug #772754: After better-bug-notification changes, list of bug subscribers is confusing <qa-ok> <story-better-bug-notification> <Launchpad itself:In Progress by gary> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/772754 > |
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[21:06] <benji> doh! I've gotten so used to not looking in there that I totally missed it. |
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[21:07] <gary_poster> :-) |
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[21:08] <benji> I'm tempted to be "conversational" when chaning bug statuses or marking them duplicates, i.e., adding a comment about what I'm doing and why, but that doesn't seem to be the culture so I'm abstaining |
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[21:09] <gary_poster> benji, dunno. I do it when I think it adds value |
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[21:10] <benji> the only "value" I was feeling was along the lines of softening the "they just marked my bug as Low, they must hate me" reaction |
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[21:10] <gary_poster> I have about one hour before vacation...I could help with CHR or read about CoffeeScript. Which one sounds like more fun? Which one should I actually do? |
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[21:10] <gary_poster> Yeah |
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[21:10] <gary_poster> I've written those |
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[21:11] <gary_poster> I've become more...blunt lately with the new standards |
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[21:11] <gary_poster> So I have not |
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[21:11] <gary_poster> but do what feels right |
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[21:13] <bac> gary_poster, benji: i have not idea what to do for amichai2 |
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[21:13] <bac> gary_poster, benji: short of asking a LOSA to do a SQL mod to give him a preferred email address |
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[21:13] <benji> gary_poster: I just finished CHR (whew, it took more than an hour), so I doubt there's anything to do |
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[21:14] <gary_poster> benji, I was pondering https://support.one.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=2514 |
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[21:14] <benji> oh, feel free handle that one ;P |
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[21:14] <gary_poster> bac, that's what I was thinking. Would you feel comfortable assembling such SQL? |
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[21:15] <bac> gary_poster: will it fulfill my SQL goal? :) |
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[21:15] <gary_poster> bac, lol |
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[21:15] <gary_poster> bac, it would help |
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[21:16] <bac> sure, i'll see what i can do |
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[21:16] <gary_poster> cool |
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[21:16] <bac> am i going to need a TL or higher to sign off on my losa request? |
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[21:17] <gary_poster> bac, yeah, I think TL can do it |
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[21:19] <gary_poster> benji, FWIW, I assigned it to Matthew Revell and sent a message to the requester and Matthew to that effect |
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[21:20] <benji> cool |
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[21:25] <gary_poster> benji, fun: today Danilo alerted me that webkit falls over if you use "class" as an argument because it is a non-functioning reserved keyword in JS. All other browsers are fine with it. coffeescript compilation (and repl) clearly disallows. another win. |
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[21:25] <benji> heh, cool |
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[21:27] <benji> gary_poster: I assume that goes for all the other reserved, but unused words. There are lots of them. |
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[21:27] <gary_poster> benji, I'd hope so. dunno |
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[21:27] <gary_poster> I'd expect so tbh. this obviously has been around the block |
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[21:32] <bac> gary_poster: it looks like there is enough info at https://wiki.canonical.com/InformationInfrastructure/ISD/Docs/SSO/ErrorSettingPreferredEmail for a losa to work with |
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[21:33] <gary_poster> bac, oh interesting |
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[21:33] <gary_poster> bac, +1 I guess...assuming he has an email at all, which I hope he does |
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[21:33] <gary_poster> I mean, registered in LP |
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[21:37] <bac> benji: did you see statik talking about playing with coffeescript? |
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[21:37] <benji> nope, I'll look in my logs |
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[21:45] <bac> benji: it was only 15 minutes ago or so |
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[21:45] <bac> gary_poster: is there any chance we messed up with that user? should he have gone from suspended to unactivated? |
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[21:45] <bac> which would require following an activation link? |
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[21:45] <bac> i can find no docs |
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[21:46] <gary_poster> bac, I went from suspended to activated, and that failed |
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[21:46] <gary_poster> then |
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[21:46] <gary_poster> sinzui said we'd had truble with that in the past |
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[21:46] <gary_poster> and suggested I go from deactivated to activated |
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[21:46] <gary_poster> so I did that |
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[21:46] <gary_poster> and that failed too |
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[21:47] <bac> did you try unactivated? |
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[22:03] <bac> gary_poster: the guy's email address was marked 2-validated. we forced it to preferred |
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[22:03] <bac> https://launchpad.net/~amichai2 |
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[22:03] <bac> looks much better |
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[22:03] <bac> Go Banana Slugs! |
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[22:12] <gary_poster> yay bac! |
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[22:12] <gary_poster> thanks |
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[22:13] <bac> gary_poster: the other gent was in the same boat. i think we've got a suspend/reanimate issue here |
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[22:13] <gary_poster> bac, huh |
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[22:13] <gary_poster> maybe make a comment on the related bug? |
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[22:14] <bac> this guy: https://support.one.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=2433 |
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[22:14] <bac> ok |
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[22:14] <gary_poster> yeah, I figured that was who you meant |
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[22:14] <bac> if the bug is not critical it should be |
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[22:14] <gary_poster> I think I marked it critical |
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[22:14] <gary_poster> bug 793670 |
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[22:14] <_mup_> Bug #793670: User account missing preferred email after suspension/reactivation <oops> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/793670 > |
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[22:15] <gary_poster> yeah |
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[22:22] <gary_poster> bye |
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[22:22] <gary_poster> tty; |
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[22:23] <gary_poster> l |
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[22:23] <gary_poster> need to get better at this typing while walking thing :-) |
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