2012/09/12/#kubuntu.txt

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[01:12] <eamon> how do I Switch to dvorak in Kubuntu?
[01:12]  * eamon tried google but he could only find stuff from 2006
[01:14] <DarthFrog> eamon: System Settings/Input Devices/Keyboard/Layout
[01:42] <eamon> thanks DarthFrog
[01:42] <eamon> how do I install the latest gcc?
[01:46] <bazhang> !crosspost > eamon
[01:46] <ubottu> eamon, please see my private message
[01:46] <DarthFrog> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install build-essential
[01:46] <DarthFrog> All on one line.
[01:49] <eamon> DarthFrog: that didn't work
[01:50] <DarthFrog> Didn't it install a bunch of packages, including gcc?
[01:58] <eamon> DarthFrog yes but not the latest GCC
[01:58] <eamon> http://dpaste.de/uL0Ww/
[02:00] <DarthFrog> Well, that will have been the current officially supported (by Canonical) version of GCC.  If you want to go outside the distro's ecosystem, you're on your own.
[02:00] <DarthFrog> See if they're offering binary packages.  If there's a DEB file, you can use dpkg to install it.
[02:02] <eamon> k
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[02:10] <eamon> DarthFrog: How do I add this to my aptitude list? http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/gcc-4.7-multilib (first day at kubuntu)
[02:15] <OerHeks> eamon, if you are on 12.04, you can't mix precise & quantal
[02:16] <eamon> OerHeks: ok i'm gonna inshall quantal - will gcc 4.7+ install then?
[02:17] <OerHeks> i am not sure, support for 12.10 Quantal in #ubuntu+1 ( but your package-url says yes)
[02:18] <eamon> ty for helping me
[02:19] <OerHeks> have fun :-)
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[02:58] <c_smith> Hi, I'm trying to connect to a UPnP Media server with Kubuntu 12.04.1 with Amarok (or another media player that will work) and am having no luck, is there something I'm missing?
[02:59] <c_smith> it's a media server on XBMCBuntu
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[05:08] <mydoghasworms> Hello, I am a Kubuntu newbie. I have just installed 12.04.1 and the performance of the UI is terrible, even when disabling the desktop effects. I have a decent machine (i5, 8GB memory), so what else could be wrong?
[05:14] <jdrs> mydoghasworms: check if you're using OpenGL -> system settings > desktop effects > advanced tab : composition type
[05:18] <mydoghasworms> jdrs: Yes, I am. I read in a thread of someone using xrender (correct?) but that it is not great for nvidia cards, so I haven't tried it. I think OpenGL is anyway the default setting, right?
[05:18] <hyper_ch> Hi there, often shutdown doesn't work and I'm not sure what's the cause. I think samba mounts prevent from properly shutting down the notebook until I unplug the network cable.
[05:18] <hyper_ch> any ideas how to pinpoint that issue?
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[05:36] <duxxx> does muon discovery need gnome keying? it aslo installed gnome keying while installing a prgram that didn't need it in 12.04 and 12.10 http://s17.postimage.org/tawgy5et9/muonbug.png
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[08:47] <hyper_ch> Hi there, often shutdown doesn't work and I'm not sure what's the cause. I think samba mounts prevent from properly shutting down the notebook until I unplug the network cable. - any ideas how to pinpoint that issue?
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[09:23] <n8w> hey guys, do u know how to import a custom syntax highligh schema into kate? this one in particular: http://osdir.com/ml/kde.devel.kwrite/2004-04/msg00271.html
[09:28] <tsimpson> n8w: try placing it in ~/.kde/share/apps/katepart/syntax/ (you may need to create the last two directories)
[09:29] <n8w> tsimpson:  cool, gonna check it out, thx
[10:02] <mr0wl> how stable is Kubuntu 12.10 Beta 1 right now?
[10:02] <mr0wl> would you guys recommend an upgrade for day to day use on a personal machine?
[10:03] <hyper_ch> mr0wl: is it a machine for work?
[10:03] <mr0wl> hyper_ch: not really
[10:03] <hyper_ch> anything essential you do on there?
[10:04] <mr0wl> hyper_ch: just my main desktop, but i'm not shy on it breaking on me
[10:04] <hyper_ch> then go for it:)
[10:04] <mr0wl> hyper_ch: fresh install or upgrade?
[10:05] <hyper_ch> I prefer to do fresh installs when I have the time
[10:05] <hyper_ch> so I can kick everything out I installed for testing
[10:05] <hyper_ch> right now, I upgraded form 11.10 to 12.04
[10:07] <mr0wl> i guess i'll go with a simple upgrade then
[10:07] <hyper_ch> :)
[10:11] <tsimpson> mr0wl: or, you could test the upgrade, provide some feedback, then do a fresh install, and provide more feedback :)
[10:15] <mr0wl> tsimpson: lol, i'll do what i can
[10:15] <hyper_ch> Hi there, often shutdown doesn't work and I'm not sure what's the cause. I think samba mounts prevent from properly shutting down the notebook until I unplug the network cable. - any ideas how to pinpoint that issue?
[10:56] <n8w> tsimpson:  great man, it works...cheers
[11:15] <BluesKaj_> Hi all
[11:21] <hyper_ch> hi BluesKaj_
[11:22] <BluesKaj_> hi hyper_ch
[11:22] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj_: you're really smart regarding Kubunut IIRC, right?
[11:23] <BluesKaj_> I have some experience , yes
[11:24] <hyper_ch> well, on my notebook, I attach at work and at home external monitors, keyboard mous and mount some network drives. When I want to power it off, it doesn't shut down properly but hangs itself until I unplug all the things. Any idea why or how I can pinpoint the issue?
[11:27] <BluesKaj_> well, until you figure out the problem , you shutdown cleanly from the terminal with sudo halt , but check in system settings >power management
[11:27] <hyper_ch> will do so :)
[11:27] <hyper_ch> see, I knew you're smart ;)
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[11:53] <starlook> Hi, here in brazil 08:53AM
[11:53] <starlook> running a vmplayer 5.0 over a kubuntu 12.10 alpha 3, kernel 3.5.0
[11:53] <starlook> (vmware-modconfig:8025): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "oxygen-gtk",
[11:54] <starlook> vmplayer install and open OK, but when a try to open a vmmachine crash and close
[11:55] <desonic> Hi everyone. I have this missbehavior from QApt Installer: I'm using kubuntu 12.04 and qapt-deb-installer doesn't work.
[11:55] <desonic> Step to reproduce:
[11:55] <desonic> 1) Open a .deb package
[11:55] <desonic> 2) Click install
[11:55] <desonic> Expected behaviour:
[11:55] <FloodBotK1> desonic: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:55] <desonic> The deb package will be installed
[11:56] <Riddell> desonic: do report a bug to bugs.kde.org, the maintainer is pretty responsive
[11:57] <Phiscribe> i need to file one, the desktop cd iso is to large to burn.  been that way for awhile.  crazy
[11:58] <Phiscribe> ack nm, thats kde.
[11:58] <Riddell> Phiscribe: it's not intended to fit on a CD any more, DVD and USB disk only
[11:58] <Phiscribe> then why do they have seperate dvd and cd images
[11:59] <Riddell> we don't, in 12.10
[11:59] <Phiscribe> im talking 12.04
[11:59] <Riddell> 12.04 should fit on a CD
[11:59] <Phiscribe> it doesnt
[11:59] <Phiscribe> its beyound the hard physical limit for a cd
[12:00] <Phiscribe> hasnt for months
[12:00] <Riddell> hmm, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/precise/release/  703M  that is on the edge I agree
[12:00] <Phiscribe> no its beyond the edge
[12:01] <Riddell> ubuntu team did lots of testing so it's probably within the limits of whatever they tested on
[12:02] <peti> hello
[12:02] <Riddell> hi peti
[12:02] <Phiscribe> ubuntu is fine, but not kubuntu.  i spend two days on it. its too large
[12:02] <peti> hy riddell
[12:04] <Riddell> Phiscribe: do report a bug on kubuntu-meta if you like, we can look at it for the 12.04.2 builds
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[12:50] <pinnen> KDE <3
[12:50] <alx_> Hi guys. I haven't have a smartphone from samsung yet. My wife will soon have one. Could anyone give me advice, how to handle kies, upgrades ... on linux(kubuntu)? If possible.
[12:59] <SIR_Taco> alx_: Kies is only available for Windows
[13:02] <alx_> SIR_Taco: oh, android~linux, I was misleaded to suppose, that there would be a chance to do upgrades outgoing from my linux
[13:03] <SIR_Taco> alx_: there are programs to update firmware via Linux, but it's unsupported by Samsung, and could possibly void the warranty with Samsung and/or your service provider
[13:03] <alx_> ok, thank you very much
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[13:49] <marting_> Hi, what is the best IRC client for KDE?
[13:51] <RamchandraApte_> im using quassel
[13:51] <RamchandraApte_> the default
[13:51] <soee> i prefer xchat
[13:52] <marting_> Thanks, will try both
[13:52] <BluesKaj> konversation ftw!
[13:53] <systemclient> Earlier my window decorations disappeared, then I started Kwin again with --crashed 2 and it came back, but no compositing. Now after reboot there are no effects and I cannot enable them. How can I fix this?
[13:54] <RamchandraApte_> elobrate on "cannot enable them"
[13:55] <systemclient> RamchandraApte_: I tried to enable them in systemsettings, and it notified me that some effects could not be enabled, listing all there are.
[13:55] <systemclient> I just did another `kwin --replace` and it now works .
[13:55] <systemclient> does the `--crashed n` option suspend all effects?
[13:56] <RamchandraApte_> systemclient:if it is 2 or more it suspends i think
[13:56] <systemclient> RamchandraApte_: makes sense …
[14:09] <lordievader> Good afternoon
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[15:51] <jente> hi, i am managed to install kubuntu 12.04 on an hp dc5700 but have trouble using it. after installation the machine reboots, loads into the desktop but seems unresponsive: i click the 'K' for instance and 10s later the menu pops up. unfortunately, i can not start any programs.
[15:55] <jente> what might be the cause of that? the machine is an iCore2 CPU 6300@186GHz, 3Gb Ram, graphics should be a quadro nvs 285
[15:55] <jente> nvidia that is
[15:58] <dav_> hi, I need a little help with JPNL files
[16:00] <BluesKaj> jente, open a terminal and do,  sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get upgrade
[16:02] <jente> BluesKaj: I tried opening a terminal via alt+f2 but even the display of the input field takes a long time. i can enter xterm for example (don't know if it is included) but it never executes
[16:03] <jente> during the install process, i marked the box that said "include updates" or something like that and it did download a lot from the net
[16:04] <BluesKaj> ok , jente , you probly need to drop to a tty , since X isn't running properly , then sudo apt-get install nvidia-current , reboot
[16:05] <BluesKaj> ctrl+alt+F1 or F2 to get a TTY
[16:08] <angelforget> Kubuntu 12.04.1 is very Super
[16:13] <jente> BluesKaj: okay, i can get on a tty. I will give your suggestion a try, thanks!
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[16:30] <hyper_ch> hi BluesKaj
[16:31] <dav_> hi, Icedtea not opens desktop java applications. Some help?
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[16:51] <jente> BluesKaj: I did as you said and the system seemes to be a little bit more responsive, but not like I would expect it to be. at least now I got the notification of >100 updates waiting. I hope it does install those, can't tell if the system is working
[16:56] <jente> is there a performance issue with 32bit kubuntu on a 64bit-able machine?
[16:57] <hyper_ch> no
[16:57] <hyper_ch> but why would you use 32bit on 64bit anyway
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[17:01] <jente> well, 64bit sounds tempting, but I have no idea about software support for 64bit. is mplayer still 32bit only? what about other software still in 32bit? I just read a little bit yet about 32bit being run on 64bit, but that machine is for someone just _using_ a pc so having the need to fiddle with it in case a new program comes along is not what I need right now
[17:01] <hyper_ch> just run 64bit
[17:02] <hyper_ch> there's even w64codecs :)
[17:02] <hyper_ch> and ubuntu is now multi-arch anway
[17:02] <hyper_ch> meaning you could add 32arch somehow
[17:02] <BluesKaj> jente open system settings and disable desktop search/nepomuk , if that doesn't help try the system monitor or htop to see if any process is eating resources
[17:03] <hyper_ch> jente: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultiArch
[17:04] <jente> BluesKaj: unfortunately, I can not even get to system settings! the whole systems seems frozen, although it does respond sometimes. I would check that right away. I could run top on a tty, but that is just about it. nothing hogging up the machine
[17:04] <jente> hyper_ch: thanks, I will look into that!
[17:04] <hyper_ch> just go with 64 bit :)
[17:04] <BluesKaj> jente, how much RAM ?
[17:05] <jente> 3GB
[17:05] <jente> a quick mem-check gave me no errors
[17:05] <BluesKaj>  hyper_ch doubt that switching to 64 bt will much difference
[17:05] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: well, no idea what causes his problems :)
[17:05] <hyper_ch> but if he ahs 64bit architecture he should make use of it
[17:06] <hyper_ch> it's like having a ferrari and being limited to 120km/h on the autobahn ;)
[17:06] <BluesKaj> hyper_ch, not at all
[17:06] <jente> that ferrari is driven by an older lady ...
[17:08] <jente> not to start a discussion about 32 vs. 64 bit, but if it was my machine, I would go with 64. but so far there is no telling what programs will be installed that are 32bit only. I want to give 32bit a try first.
[17:09] <BluesKaj> jente, drop to the tty and do sudo apt-get update:sudo apt-get upgrade ..you may need updates/upgrades to finish configuring your system
[17:09] <jente> BluesKaj: okay, will do. does 12.04 need a lot of configuring/cleaning up after the install-reboot?
[17:10] <dux> does muon discovery need gnome keying? it aslo installed gnome keying while installing a prgram that didn't need it in 12.04 and 12.10
[17:10] <jente> the machine seems idle with some sporadic activity blinking from the tower
[17:11] <BluesKaj> jente, the cofiguring will be done by the upgrade dpkg system. i think you'll sees a difference once the upgrade is done
[17:11] <jente> will report back
[17:11] <BluesKaj> ok
[17:14] <BluesKaj> dux, do you have gnome desktop as option on your system ?
[17:14] <dux> kde
[17:14] <dux> no
[17:14] <dux> its a freash install of kubuntu
[17:14] <BluesKaj> did you switch frome unity/gnome to kde
[17:16] <BluesKaj> muon doesn't need gnome keyring afaik ,.. never used it on kubuntu , dux
[17:16] <dux> then why is it installing it.....
[17:16] <dux> must be some kind of bug
[17:16] <BluesKaj> but I don't use muon much , merely to lookup packages ..
[17:18] <BluesKaj> I usually remove muon in favour of synaptic , which i still think is far superior despite a few gtk libs on my setup
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[17:42] <jente> BluesKaj: okay, update/upgrade done, reboot, system is still frozen/sluggish.
[17:43] <jente> after the upgrade however there were two errors, one I could catch was knetattach with /usr/bin/nepumukservicesstub
[17:45] <jente> I don't know about the other. if there are two windows open, I can easily and without delay switch between them using alt+tab. but moving one around does not work, it's like the mouse is dead.
[17:50] <BluesKaj> jente, did you install to separate / and /home partitions ?
[17:51] <hyper_ch> jente: can you pastebin your hardware specs?
[17:51] <hyper_ch> open terminal
[17:52] <hyper_ch> lshw > ~/hardware.txt
[17:52] <hyper_ch> sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[17:52] <hyper_ch> pastebinit ~/hardware.txt
[17:54] <BluesKaj> I ran into sluggish response with a / partion that was too small , under 6G , solved it by making / 10G
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[18:02] <jente> BluesKaj: I took the default install partitioning. seems like it did one single partition (76gb) for all and one 3gb swap
[18:02] <jente> hyper_ch: just a second
[18:03] <jente> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1200993/
[18:04] <jente> pastebinit is cool, didn't know about that!
[18:07] <hyper_ch> should be fine
[18:08] <hyper_ch> intel core 2
[18:08] <hyper_ch> nvidia card
[18:08] <jente> just ran an ssh -X session and there is no trouble with performance whatsoever
[18:08] <hyper_ch> 3gb ram
[18:08] <hyper_ch> try to deactivate the kde desktop effects, maybe that helps
[18:08] <jente> it's a used machine, but it ran a knoppix cd in the store without trouble
[18:08] <jente> how do I do that?
[18:09] <jente> or: how do I do that on the command line?
[18:09] <hyper_ch> K -> Computer -> System SEttings -> Desktop Effects -> unckeck "Enable Desktop effect at startup"
[18:09] <hyper_ch> kcmshell something :)
[18:09] <jente> no go, I can click on K, but that's about it.
[18:10] <jente> the menu opens a minute later and clicking anything after that gives no response
[18:10] <jente> the graphical system is not usable
[18:11] <jente> ah, wait, through ssh? that might work
[18:11] <SIR_Taco> hyper_ch: kcmshell4 kwincompositing
[18:11] <hyper_ch> kwriteconfig --file kwinrc --group Compositing --key Enabled false
[18:12] <hyper_ch> and restart kwin with   kwin --replace
[18:12] <SIR_Taco> hyper_ch: or just hit ALT-SHIFT-F12
[18:12] <hyper_ch> jente: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=19956#p82919
[18:13] <hyper_ch> SIR_Taco: well, desktop is unusable for jente
[18:14] <jente> kcmshell4 kwincompositing works though an 'ssh -X' session!
[18:14] <hyper_ch> weird
[18:15] <keln> Hello, will this CPU be fast enough to run Kubuntu? > http://amzn.to/NZMA4x
[18:16] <hyper_ch> keln: barely
[18:16] <hyper_ch> keln: you'd need at least 64gb ram in addition
[18:17] <hyper_ch> keln: I do assume you were joking, right?
[18:17] <keln> 64GB RAM? I only have 32GB
[18:17] <hyper_ch> but 8 core cpu for that price is nice
[18:17] <keln> no I'm not joking
[18:18] <hyper_ch> you can run kubuntu on a single core, 1.6ghz cpu
[18:18] <hyper_ch> atom
[18:19] <jente> even lower than that. don't know about the current 12.04, though
[18:19] <hyper_ch> and 1gb ram
[18:19] <hyper_ch> if you have a decent video card it's not even bad running
[18:20] <hyper_ch> while decent means 3-4 years old
[18:21] <keln> Btw, I'm giving out AMD FX 8 core CPUs for free for 5 people, I got them free through buisness and they aren't needed and what's the point of selling them? Drop me a PM if you're interested.
[18:21] <jente> effects disabled it's even running on a P3 with a rage 128 pro ultra tf
[18:21] <hyper_ch> jente: did disabling the effects help you out?
[18:22] <jente> checking now
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[18:37] <anon1> Hello
[18:38] <anon1> I've got a bit of a problem.
[18:39] <anon1> I'm running Kubuntu 12.04 64-bit on my laptop,
[18:39] <kylie> HELP
[18:39] <anon1> connecting through HDMI to the TV. Video card is ATI HD 3400 series.
[18:39] <anon1> Every 30 seconds of inactivity results in a screen (and audio) timeout.
[18:39] <kylie> Help!
[18:39] <kylie> Sorry
[18:39] <anon1> Screensaver is disabled.
[18:40] <anon1> lol hi kylie
[18:40] <kylie> I think Kubuntu decided to attempt suicide
[18:40] <anon1> did it tie a rope around its neck?
[18:40] <kylie> Not literally?
[18:40] <kylie> Wireless connection started freaking out, programs started freaking out and I had to restart
[18:40] <kylie> and now my screen's resolution is
[18:41] <kylie> settings is at
[18:41] <kylie> low
[18:41] <kylie> when it should be
[18:41] <kylie> high-er. :x
[18:41] <kylie> After updates
[18:41] <FloodBotK1> kylie: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:41] <BluesKaj> !enter
[18:41] <ubottu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line. Don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[18:41] <SIR_Taco> anon1: have you checked your power settings? it may be turning off your screen after a certain duration
[18:41] <kylie_> Sorry
[18:41] <anon1> SIR_Taco: I checked them, and deliberately disabled all options
[18:43] <anon1> any logs I can check to see what's triggering the HDMI timeout?
[18:46] <SIR_Taco> anon1: I would assume it's the DPMS turning off video for the laptop from inactivity... what does 'xset -q' in konsole give you for Standby, Suspend, and Off?
[18:47] <anon1> 32 / 48 / 64
[18:47] <anon1> respectively.
[18:48] <jente> hyper_ch, BluesKaj: disabling the effects at startup helped!
[18:48] <jente> system is running smooth now, thanks to your help!
[18:48] <hyper_ch> jente: now go 64bit ;)
[18:48] <BluesKaj> jente, do you have a working mouse
[18:48] <BluesKaj> ?
[18:48] <jente> yes, mouse works
[18:49] <jente> just now I opened up some programs, installed firefox, tested a youtube video, all work fine
[18:49] <jente> just kmail is giving me some errors about akonadi
[18:49] <hyper_ch> akonadi is PITA IMHO
[18:49] <BluesKaj> hyper_ch, , it's not going to make much difference , 32 or 64 bit only if he has over 4G RAM , then it might be noticeable , and I mean maybe
[18:50] <SIR_Taco> anon1: in konsole type 'xset -dpms' and try it... see if it still shuts off after 30 seconds of inactivity (then we'll know if it's the power management or possibly something else
[18:50] <anon1> SIR_Taco: ok, brb in 31 seconds :)
[18:50] <jente> I will have to see what happens when I enter some accounts. akonadi is really not my type. since its introduction there were nothing but problems.
[18:51] <BluesKaj> jente, if you don't need kmail and all it's problems the stop akonadi and disable the server
[18:51] <cynical> I'm typing this from a freshly installed 12.04.1 and akonadi isn't giving me any issues so far
[18:52] <SIR_Taco> cynical: yea... but you're just being cynical ; )
[18:52] <jente> I want to do that if I can not get it to work. I tried converting the user to thunderbird some weeks ago but kmail has some nice features that the user is missing
[18:52] <cynical> :O
[18:52] <SIR_Taco> cynical: I haven't had any problems with akonadi since probably 4.0.x
[18:52] <jente> cynical: this is a fresh 12.04 install with updates/upgrades and the first starup of kmail sends out errors
[18:52] <cynical> I love the kde integration, using something other than kmail would make me sad
[18:53] <cynical> taco: yeah I used to disable it all the time but it's been great lately
[18:53] <BluesKaj> jente, well good luck with kmail , I used to like it til it got budened with akonadi and nepomuk
[18:53] <cynical> jente: what errors?
[18:53] <hyper_ch> and kmail has no virtual identity plugin
[18:53] <anon1> SIR_Taco: thanks! Looks like it worked :) I only recently formatted (previously also had 12.04) and didn't install any exotic drivers (only the ATI drivers). Any idea what it happened on its own?
[18:53] <jente> akonadi_maildir_resource_0 not working, resource now offline
[18:54] <jente> it might change when setting up an account, but there are other errors that might persist. will see tomorrow
[18:54] <cynical> jente: oh I had some kind of notification like that the first time kmail launched but I don't get them anymore
[18:54] <SIR_Taco> anon1: not sure... but remember to re-enable dpms ('set +dpms') or your laptop wont sleep on battery
[18:54] <SIR_Taco> *'xset +dpms'
[18:54] <anon1> SIR_Taco: will do. Thanks again, and good night!
[18:55] <anon1> ah understood
[18:55] <BluesKaj> Kmail users read this before upgrading: http://bit.ly/o841iy | 12.04 LTS
[18:55] <jente> cynical: I see, then setting up an account will take care of that. I will be very happy if that are the only issues with kmail!
[18:55] <BluesKaj> that's from the topic header
[18:57] <jente> BluesKaj: thanks for the link, but that is what I did when upgrading from 10.x to 11.10. the user does not even know how to use an addressbook anymore, since it refused to work even on a fresh install in 11.10
[18:59] <jente> tried converting the old data, set up a new system and imported some old data, set up a new system and used new data: all resulted in an unusable addressbook.
[19:00] <jente> anyway, I love to give kmail and co. another try
[19:02] <avihay> I ran dist-do-upgrade...  will it ask me after finishing the download if I want to proceed to the install phase?
[19:02] <SIR_Taco> avihay: you mean 'do-release-upgrade'?
[19:03] <lordievader> avihay: No, it will ask you before downloading if you want to continue, if you say yes it will download and install.
[19:03] <BluesKaj> jente, so would I , but I'm reluctant to go thru all thet frustration again , it works for a week or so and once the segfaults begin , it just  get worse and worse
[19:03] <avihay> and if not, and I hit ctrl-c, will it gracefully revert my repository list?
[19:03] <avihay> SIR_Taco: yes
[19:04] <SIR_Taco> avihay: it will check the new repositories, show you a list of what is to be upgraded/installed/removed, then ask you if you'd like to continue
[19:04] <jente> BluesKaj: if that happens, I will definitely convert
[19:05] <SIR_Taco> avihay: if you say 'N', it will not change your current repository list
[19:05] <BluesKaj> t-bird works for me , but I'm a home user with very light email needs , jente
[19:05] <avihay> I already told it yes, after it showed me the list of changes. if I hit ctrl-c, will it gracefully revert my repository list?
[19:06] <SIR_Taco> avihay: was it in the download process? or was it installing?
[19:06] <avihay> I want to make the changes while I sleep, so that I can wake up to a fresh set of problems to solve after I wake up, and worry bout how to solve it all day while I'm at work
[19:07] <avihay> SIR_Taco: I'm still in the download process
[19:07] <avihay> for the next two hours...
[19:07] <SIR_Taco> avihay: ok, so you just want to start the process again later?
[19:07] <avihay> yhe
[19:08] <avihay> the gui had a nice cancel button
[19:08] <jente> BluesKaj: personally, I love mutt, but since it's not my machine i am setting up, I have to stick with what the user can deal with. It would certainly be easier if one could disable nepomuk and akonadi
[19:08] <SIR_Taco> avihay: ya, then go ahead and CTRL-C the process...
[19:09] <SIR_Taco> avihay: when you start it again later... it will do it's dependency calculations again, but will continue downloading packages where it left off
[19:10] <BluesKaj> jente, what kind of email requirements will the user have ...thunderbird is also capable fairly high data storage if configured to do so , at least that's what I've been told.
[19:11] <hyper_ch> too bad TB doesn't use maildir :(
[19:12] <SIR_Taco> hyper_ch: last I heard, that was in the works
[19:12] <hyper_ch> https://jaisejames.wordpress.com/2012/03/15/to-activate-maildir-in-thunderbird/
[19:12] <hyper_ch> just found that
[19:13] <hyper_ch> I've heard the "in the works" thing for years
[19:14] <BluesKaj> T-bird can be linked to mysql  database if needed
[19:15] <jente> there are a few email accounts the user wants to have in one level, that means not seperate inboxes/trash etc. I tried setting up some filters and moving mails around as soon as they get in, but it's not flawless and timeconsuming
[19:16] <hyper_ch> I have to test that maildir support and I wonder if that also works on windows
[19:27] <eamon> How do I (permanently) set the keyboard to a different layout on the login screen?
[19:33] <hyper_ch> eamon: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[19:33] <hyper_ch> or rather:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-data
[19:34] <hyper_ch> or  sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[19:37] <eamon> super, the last one worked
[19:41] <tobiasBora> Hello !
[19:42] <tobiasBora> I'd like to know how I could open a bluetooth device (my mobile phone) like a usb key (to see the files)
[19:42] <tobiasBora> What paquage do I need ?
[19:44] <SIR_Taco> tobiasBora: which phone?
[19:45] <tobiasBora> SIR_Taco: I own a Samsung galaxy ace, under android.
[19:48] <tobiasBora> SIR_Taco: do you know if it is possible ?
[19:49] <SIR_Taco> tobiasBora: you should be able to use FTP over bluetooth... will require a program from the google store I believe
[19:50] <SIR_Taco> tobiasBora: for instance https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=it.medieval.blueftp
[19:50] <tobiasBora> I'm trying...
[19:54] <SIR_Taco> tobiasBora: have you checked through the "Bluetooth" section in System Settings? (I don't have bluetooth on any of my computers, so I haven't tried it. But possibly Android already has a file transfer mechanism built in?)
[19:56] <tobiasBora> SIR_Taco: it doesn't seem to works... And in system, I only see "share" and "receveie" files
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[19:59] <SIR_Taco> tobiasBora: It wont work like a usb drive, you can only send files to the computer and copy files from the computer. To be usb-drive-like you'll need a program to act as a bluetooth ftp server on the phone (from the Google Store)
[20:00] <tobiasBora> SIR_Taco: And I can't only see the file before download them ? Because it's really long to do it manually from the phone.
[20:02] <SIR_Taco> tobiasBora: it will act like FTP, you'll have a list of files and directories, be able to send and receive
[20:06] <cynical> If you just want to transfer files wirelessly you can use airdroid to do it over wifi
[20:06] <MasterOfDesaster> youre such noobs, i am the biggest hacker and you have no chances against me
[20:06] <MasterOfDesaster> you all suck really
[20:06] <MasterOfDesaster> i am a HACKER
[20:06] <MasterOfDesaster> you UNDERSTAND?
[20:07] <FloodBotK1> MasterOfDesaster: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:07] <SIR_Taco> thumbs up big guy
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[20:07] <cynical> I'm skurred
[20:07] <MasterOfDesaster> you better be
[20:08] <MasterOfDesaster> because i am a kubuntu GEEK
[20:08]  * cynical shudders
[20:08] <MasterOfDesaster> nobody has a chance against such a HACKER like me
[20:08] <MasterOfDesaster> really
[20:08] <MasterOfDesaster> wanna proof?
[20:08] <MasterOfDesaster> i already hacked yall, and you did not even notice!!!
[20:08] <cynical> ahh hes hacking my mind!
[20:10] <MasterOfDesaster> i tell you what! my ssh account is lucas/lucas  but you cant do shit with is cause i am a ruling hacker
[20:10] <MasterOfDesaster> with massive iptables knowledge
[20:10] <MasterOfDesaster> even i tell you my ssh detailed you cant do shit againt me, hahaha! That shows me youre a noob an i am a IPTABLES GOD
[20:10] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: changed now one imap account in TB to maildir :)
[20:12] <IdleOne> MasterOfDesaster: No swearing or trolling. Thanks.
[20:15] <tobiasBora> SIR_Taco: It works !
[20:16] <tobiasBora> I don't know why (I installed severals paquages, I installed astro bluetooth device on my mobile phone, I unplug/plug my device etc and now it works !
[20:16] <tobiasBora> Thanks a lot !
[20:19] <SIR_Taco> tobiasBora: good to hear, you're welcome
[20:23] <BluesKaj>  that masterofdisaster guy is such a smart network user he couldn't even hide his IP  :)
[20:23] <SIR_Taco> BluesKaj: but... but... but... he knows the /join command.... : P
[20:24] <BluesKaj> he was here earlier using a different nick I'm sure
[20:24] <BluesKaj> berlin
[20:24] <SIR_Taco> BluesKaj: yep
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[20:40] <avihay> any way to make Quassel more up to par with Konversation?
[20:41] <tsimpson> depends on what you mean
[20:42] <avihay> is there a way to have the last message line when switching tabs and applications?
[20:43] <tsimpson> doesn't it do that for you already?
[20:46] <SIR_Taco> Settings -> Configure Quassel -> Interface -> Chat View -> Set marker line automatically when switching chats     (should be default though as far as I know)
[20:48] <avihay> tabs->channels
[20:48] <avihay> or have the connect button enabled? or have quassel not make all the buffers disappear when I lose connection to the core?
[20:49] <avihay> or have the connect button enabled? or have quassel not make all the buffers disappear when I lose connection to the core? just got disconnected, that's really annoying, and I think that 360 sec lag to the core is hint enough that the connection was lost
[20:51] <avihay> SIR_Taco: that doesn't work when I alt-tab. I have to manually select a dead channel before I alt-tab to keep track...
[20:51] <SIR_Taco> avihay: ah, yes you're right
[20:52] <MasterOfDesaster> i am the best hacker, and you are all noobs! I could even tell you that my SSH account is lucas/lucas and you could not do shit because i have a IPTABLES Kowledge! YOU SUCK and i laugh at you *hahaha*
[20:52] <IdleOne> MasterOfDesaster: Please stop.
[20:52] <BluesKaj> MasterOfDesaster, ok why can't you even hide your own IP ? :)
[20:53] <MasterOfDesaster> i do
[20:53] <BluesKaj> sure you do
[20:53] <SIR_Taco> compensation is always funny
[20:53] <MasterOfDesaster> IdleOne: I will stop, its just that i was telling the truth that i am master hacker. but i stop now
[20:54] <BluesKaj> some 14 yr old kid on his mummy's computer while she's out buying food for the .....
[20:55] <jEhrichs> ;)
[20:55] <IdleOne> tsimpson: that won't help
[20:55] <IdleOne> he is a master hacker
[20:55] <tsimpson> but you forget, I'm an Über-hacker!
[20:55] <avihay> or, if anyone else know of another front-end back-end KDE IRC client, I think I saw one on KDE-Apps, but I fail to find it now. maybe it's time to look at xchat?
[20:55] <jEhrichs> maybe he will ddos 127.0.0.1
[20:55] <SIR_Taco> : O
[20:56] <BluesKaj> avihay, konversation
[20:56] <jEhrichs> chat is nice. used it for a long time
[20:56] <IdleOne> tsimpson: I did forget. My apologies oh Uber One
[20:56] <SIR_Taco> please no... not 127.0.0.1! anything but that
[20:56] <jEhrichs> and for front/backend there are always the "usual irc bouncers tha tshould work
[20:56] <tsimpson> avihay: there are other options, like using a bouncer and any other IRC client
[20:56] <jEhrichs> but aquasse lis a really nice solution to be honest.
[20:57] <jEhrichs> *quassel
[20:57] <BluesKaj> konversation works well with znc bouncer
[20:57] <jEhrichs> does anyone know if 4.9.1 is coming to 12.04? Seems it reached 12.10 already
[20:58] <SIR_Taco> jEhrichs: it's not in backports?
[20:58] <avihay> I have a bad connection or a packet blocker at school that prevents me from being connected directly to freenode, so using konversation directly is a problem. I'll guess I'll go search for a bouncer then
[20:59] <jEhrichs> is should have this enabled. but let me check
[20:59] <tsimpson> we have 4.9.0 in  kubuntu-ppa/backports for precise
[21:00] <SIR_Taco> jEhrichs: I guess it's not done yet.... just checked
[21:00] <jEhrichs> thanks SIR_Taco
[21:00] <SIR_Taco> np
[21:03] <hyper_ch> also using ZNC with Konvi
[21:20] <fdsfds> KDE Network Manager keeps dropping my wifi connection while I am downloading large files.  It will not re-connect unless I uncheck "Enable wireless", then re-check it in Network Manager.  I see that other people are having the same problem in the forums, but no one can figure out what is going on here.  Does anyone have any ideas?
[21:25] <SIR_Taco> fdsfds: do you know what your network card is?
[21:26] <fdsfds> lspci shows it is a Broadcom BCM4311 802.11a/b/g (rev 01)
[21:27] <fdsfds> Also, when the failure occurs, messages log shows this " wlan0: authenticate with f4:ec:38:dd:ad:6c (try 1)" for 3 tries, then times out.
[21:29] <SIR_Taco> fdsfds: when's the last time you reset your router/modem?
[21:32] <fdsfds> A few weeks ago, I changed the wifi WPA settings from TKIP to AES, and it ran fine for a few weeks.  However this problem happens on all different kinds of Modems/routers running WPA auth.
[21:32] <fdsfds> I do not think this is a wireless router problem, because other devices/windows have no problems at all.
[21:33] <SIR_Taco> fdsfds: I would suggest open Konsole (or any terminal) and type: "sudo apt-get remove bcmwl-kernel-source && sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter firmware-b43-lpphy-installer"
[21:34] <fdsfds> Yea, I have done that several times with no luck.  I have been researching this for several months and that was a suggestion in one of the forums.
[21:35] <SIR_Taco> fdsfds: what about: sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer
[21:35] <fdsfds> however, I don't think I tried to remove/reinstall the lpphy-installer - let me try that now.....
[21:35] <SIR_Taco> the last one I described *should* automate that
[21:38] <fdsfds> right now the bcmwl-kernel source is not installed, firmware-b43-installer is installed, but firmware-b43-lpphy-installer is not.  I will install the lpphy now...
[21:39] <fdsfds> If I install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer, adept wants to remove firmware-b43-installer
[21:40] <fdsfds> It seems they are not compatible.
[21:41] <SIR_Taco> fdsfds: try installing: sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer
[21:43] <fdsfds> That works, and is the same one I had installed before.  However it does not install the firmware-b43-lpphy-installer.
[21:46] <SIR_Taco> ok... what about just the lpphy installer ?
[21:46] <SIR_Taco> I know one of them is the correct answer... just can't remember which ; )
[21:46] <fdsfds> I will give that a try.  I have not tried the lpphy installer before.  What is the difference between the 2?
[21:47] <SIR_Taco> fdsfds: not entirely sure.
[21:47] <SIR_Taco> different firmwares I would imagine
[21:47] <fdsfds> ok, I installed the lpphy and re-boot and see how that goes.
[21:48] <SIR_Taco> ok
[21:49] <fdsfds> Thanks for the help, this problem has really been a serious problem for me for over a year now.
[21:49] <SIR_Taco> well, hopefully it fixes it for you
[21:49] <fdsfds> if not, do you know where else I could go for help, or do you have any other ideas?
[21:51] <SIR_Taco> fdsfds: not sure where else
[22:45] <trash_> brasil punkx..
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