2007/01/09/#kubuntu-devel.txt

[12:17] <Lure> pinheiro: ;-) I need something for stock kde3 (powermanager info/warn notification)
[12:28] <nixternal> gahahaha
[12:32] <nixternal> seaLne: no pr0n as i kick back and view photos either :)
[12:33] <seaLne> just my dirty mind i guess :)
[12:33] <nixternal> it took a second to grasp that though when you said it
[12:34] <nixternal> first time was a flyby, the second time around it landed
[12:34] <Jucato> heh :)
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[12:35] <toma> nixternal: can you remove the kubuntu meeting for tomorrow from the fridge?
[12:35] <nixternal> heh ya
[12:36] <nixternal> there is no meeting for tomorrow that i can see
[12:36] <seaLne> its a 22 hour meeting starting today
[12:36] <toma> seaLne: ah, so its a bug
[12:37] <seaLne> yeah sounds like start time and duration are confusing ;)
[12:37] <toma> yes, both have id 703
[12:37] <toma> nevermind then
[12:39] <nixternal> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/78376
[12:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78376 in ubiquity "Kubuntu Feisty daily-live Ubiquity Crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[12:40] <nixternal> will pop you and email now
=== sebas sees big commits from Lure coming by.
[12:40] <nixternal> sent
[12:41] <Lure> sebas: and yesterday too ;-)
[12:41] <Lure> sebas: want to finish this off, so that we can push package tommorow morning
[12:41] <sebas> Lure: Depending on timezones, yes :)
[12:41] <sebas> Lure: I can test-run tomorrow morning (now + 9 hrs or so)
[12:42] <sebas> Should be in time for the freeze
[12:42] <Lure> sebas: please do - any feedback would be good
[12:42] <sebas> Sure
[12:42] <mhb> Jucato: I'll help you any way I can. If you want to help me and make a HOWTO for that, even better :o)
[12:42] <fdoving> Jucato: we'll move it here. as I said, it's just about adding a menu entry. should be simple.
[12:43] <Jucato> mhb: heh maybe next time. I just removed vmware :)
[12:43] <mhb> Jucato: aww
[12:43] <fdoving> qemu :)
[12:46] <mhb> I've noticed some people had comments about the Polyester look. It would be great if you either added them to a wiki page (like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuArtwork/PolyesterThemeIssues ) or emailed them to me. Thanks.
[12:46] <seaLne> toma: the problem for me was that it was entirely random whether it worked for me or not, i had 2 machine with identical packages yet only one worked
[12:47] <toma> seaLne: ok, i can ask if there are plans to make it easier for the future
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[12:55] <fdoving> nite.
[12:55] <Jucato> g'night for those going to bed! :)
[12:56] <seaLne> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :)
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=== nixternal prepares for a night of hacking
[12:57] <Jucato> go nixternal!! :)
[12:57] <jdong_> is there any tool I can use to figure out the version of linux from a vmlinuz file?
=== jdong_ just noticed his HDTV's firmware is a vmlinuz,ext2 root, and initrd :D
[12:58] <Jucato> version of the kernel?
[12:58] <jdong_> right
[12:59] <Jucato> shouldn't it be saying something like vmlinuz-<kernel.version.here>?
[12:59] <jdong_> mfr's site doesn't have any firmware I could find though :( I e-mailed tech support a sec ago asking for it
[12:59] <jdong_> Jucato, no, it's renamed
[12:59] <Jucato> jdong_: oh...
[12:59] <jdong_> Jucato, it's a_335_spa.img, olevia.kgz, pm_a10.bin
[12:59] <Jucato> O.o
[12:59] <jdong_> root, initrd, vmliinuz in that order
[12:59] <jdong_> I went through pm_a10.bin with strings
[12:59] <jdong_> and it's obviously linux
[01:00] <Jucato> I guess you can't do uname -r there :P
[01:01] <Lure> Tonio_: I though I would package guidance tonight, but I am too tired
[01:02] <Tonio_> Lure: okay no problem, I'm just working on kdebluetooth
[01:02] <Lure> Tonio_: if you have time/energy I would like to see it in Herd2 (freeze tommorow)
[01:02] <jdong_> Jucato, I can probably get farther by unzipping the root fs image :)
[01:02] <Jucato> :)
[01:02] <Tonio_> Lure: can I sync from svn ?
[01:02] <jdong_> Jucato, /lib/modules should have the kernel name :)
[01:02] <Lure> Tonio_: package just need to change to package all icons/*.png
[01:03] <Lure> Tonio_: yes, just take the latest from svn
[01:03] <Tonio_> okay will do in a moment :)
[01:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[01:03] <Lure> Tonio_: just do not forget to pick up all icons and not just battery*.png as we do currently
[01:03] <Lure> ok, nite all
[01:03] <Tonio_> Lure: sure
[01:03] <Tonio_> good nite
[01:03] <jdong_> Jucato, ATI chipsest, MIPS32 :D
[01:03] <Jucato> heh :)
[01:07] <Riddell> Tonio_: hi
[01:07] <sebas> Lure: Things seem to work here
[01:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: can you watch /usr/share/applnk/Utilities/dunhandler.desktop and confirm me the issue at the last line ?
[01:08] <Tonio_> I have an issue patching this
[01:09] <Hobbsee> meeting ended yet?
[01:09] <mhb> Hobbsee: yes
[01:09] <Hobbsee> right
[01:09] <mhb> Hobbsee: you okay?
=== Hobbsee wonders if she passed out....
[01:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: the problem is that dunhaldner.desktop lacks final new line but if I patch this, I get french text in the diff.....
[01:09] <Tonio_> I think that can cause an issue but I'm unsure
[01:10] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee! hope you're feeling better
[01:10] <Hobbsee> mhb: not really
[01:10] <Hobbsee> a little
[01:10] <mhb> Hobbsee: aww
=== Hobbsee wanders off again
[01:10] <mhb> Hobbsee: what are you doing here then? .o)
[01:10] <mhb> Hobbsee: that's it
[01:10] <Hobbsee> i stayed sign in
[01:11] <Hobbsee> er, signe
[01:11] <Hobbsee> d
[01:11] <mhb> Hobbsee: see you later
[01:11] <Jucato> take a rest :)
[01:11] <mhb> yes
[01:11] <Riddell> Tonio_: X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=desktop_extragear-pim_kdebluetooth
[01:11] <Riddell> Tonio_: that's a general issue with extragear apps that I need to talk to carlos about
[01:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: Hidden=trueX-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=desktop_extragear-pim_kdebluetooth
[01:12] <Tonio_> this is what I have
[01:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: hmm, I don't have that
[01:12] <Tonio_> hum......... are you up to date ?
[01:12] <Riddell> nope
[01:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah but I didn't touch the package for a while now.....
[01:13] <Tonio_> can someone else paste his final line on feisty please ?
[01:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: the issue is that if I patch it I get a french "no end line at end of file" in the diff......... that's problematic
[01:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: export LANG+C
[01:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: export LANG=C
[01:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: testing this
[01:16] <ryanakca> Riddell: hmm... looks like I missed my item... oh well, I got food instead... next meeting?
[01:17] <Riddell> ryanakca: sure
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[01:22] <Riddell> sebas: please sign the CoC on launchpad and sign yourself up to kubuntu-members
[01:25] <ryanakca> Riddell: hmm... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RyanKavanagh#head-cfcadec9d857e81f7b76e60c8ab5dfe01e0a5e24 was basicly what I wanted to talk about... have a Kubuntu-QA team, that could work with the Testing team... I can make a wiki elaborating the idea if you want :)
[01:26] <manchicken> WEAK!
[01:26] <Tonio_> ryanakca: are you using feisty ?
[01:26] <Tonio_> or manchicken ?
[01:26] <manchicken> pyuic doesn't support Qt4 designer!!!!
[01:26] <sebas> Riddell: Just done that
[01:27] <ryanakca> Tonio_: no.. wondering when I should upgrade... I'll probably upgrade with Herd 2...
[01:27] <manchicken> I'm using feisty in chroot.
[01:27] <sebas> manchicken: pyuic4 does, IIRC.
[01:27] <manchicken> What package is pyuic4 in?
[01:27] <manchicken> Or is that not a feisty package?
[01:28] <ryanakca> Tonio_: why?
[01:28] <Tonio_> ryanakca: needed confirmation on a bug
[01:28] <sebas> pyqt4-dev-tools
[01:28] <manchicken> Very nice.
[01:29] <ryanakca> Tonio_: ah, kk, sorry
[01:29] <Tonio_> ryanakca: no pb :)
=== manchicken really want emacs w/fuzzy-fonts...
[01:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm packaging guidance
[01:30] <ryanakca> gnomefreak: sorry, lost the link to the opera .deb, mind resending it to me?
[01:30] <Riddell> manchicken: you need pyuic4
[01:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: have you checked with Lure it's a good time for that?
[01:31] <manchicken> Got it.
[01:31] <manchicken> I really don't want to have to hand-recreate all of this UI.  heh.
[01:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah he asked me to do it before herd2
[01:32] <Riddell> cool
[01:33] <Tonio_> kdebluetooth fixed... dunhandler path was invalid too, should work now
[01:33] <Tonio_> then I have to fix katalog, and gtk-qt-engine
[01:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: I noticed gtk-qt-engine package doesn't have dpatch rules....
[01:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: should I consider switch back to cdbs for simple-patchsys or do you want to use something close to the debian packaging system ?
[01:35] <Tonio_> I vote for cdbs :)
[01:35] <Tonio_> debian packaging "structure", sorry
[01:35] <sebas> Speaking of kbluetooth, it has the wrong presets for /etc/init.d/bluetooth start|stop
[01:36] <sebas> Good: /etc/init.d/bluetooth start|stop
[01:36] <sebas> Bad: /etc/init.d/bluez-utils start|stop
[01:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: I like cdbs simple-patchsys bestest
[01:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay let's divert from debian again :)
[01:38] <allee> sebas: in debian one beter uses invoke-rc.d bluetooth start|stop
[01:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: what does debian use?
[01:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: why do we need to patch?
[01:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: pure debhelper packaging without any patching system in use...
[01:38] <sebas> allee: kbluetooth wants to know that anyway
[01:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: we patch for the icons, and I also need to hide the kcm desktop file in kmenu
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=== allee ponders to plans to try quilt instead of simple patchsys 'cause it allows to pusd/pop/test/remove patches
[01:40] <manchicken> Okay, I'm gonna take off for now.
[01:41] <ryanakca> see yah manchicken
[01:42] <ryanakca> allee: does cdbs' patch system let you do that?
[01:43] <allee> ryanakca: no, not conviniently
[01:44] <ryanakca> hmm
[01:48] <ryanakca> is the kubuntu cloak kubuntu/members? or ubuntu/members?
[02:00] <Riddell> there isn't a kubuntu cloak
[02:00] <Riddell> just ubuntu
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[02:10] <somerville32> Can someone that was at the meeting tonight login to gobby and summarize the meeting for the UWN?
[02:11] <nixternal> how much money do you have?
[02:11] <somerville32> Umm... I got cookies. :)
[02:11] <nixternal> im on a diet
[02:11] <nixternal> ;p
[02:12] <nixternal> if someone doesn't step up in the next few minutes i will take care of it
[02:12] <ryanakca> oooh, cookies... what kind?
[02:12] <Jucato> nixternal: Customizing Kubuntu desktop wiki is up: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[02:12] <nixternal> ryanakca: the kind you like :)
[02:12] <nixternal> rockin' Jucato!
[02:12] <somerville32> Thats right :)
[02:12] <ryanakca> somerville32: hmm... how long till the get here?
[02:13] <ryanakca> somerville32: I would, but I have no clue about gobby, and I was only there for half of the meeting... sorry
[02:13] <nixternal> he will overnight them just as soon as you finish the gobby write up :)
[02:13] <ryanakca> next time :)
[02:13] <nixternal> argh :)
[02:14] <ryanakca> sorry nixternal, I knew you really really really wanted to summarize it, so I decided to leave it for you :)
[02:14] <nixternal> haha thanks
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[02:21] <Jucato> nixternal: rppppoek doesn't seem to setup PPPoE connections. it's only a systray app to connect/disconnect/get the IP
[02:21] <nixternal> shouldn't be all that difficult to make it set them up though
[02:22] <Jucato> meaning, modify the code? create a GUI to setup PPPoE?
[02:22] <nixternal> sure :)
[02:22] <Jucato> heh :)
[02:22] <nixternal> i have a brand new Qt4 design book as well ;p
[02:22] <Jucato> wth?!! which one?
[02:23] <nixternal> c++ gui programming with qt4
[02:23] <nixternal> there is another one as well that I am going to order
[02:23] <Jucato> aw... :(
[02:23] <Jucato> Design Patterns in C++ using Qt 4?
[02:23] <Hobbsee> whee, back again
[02:23] <nixternal> ya, that is the one im going to order, blue cover?
[02:23] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee
[02:23] <Jucato> yep
[02:23] <Jucato> wb Hobbsee!
[02:23] <Hobbsee> heya
[02:23] <Jucato> feeling better?
[02:23] <Hobbsee> yeah
[02:24] <Hobbsee> shaking - but not twitching
[02:24] <ryanakca> hey Hobbsee
[02:24] <Jucato> nixternal: you ordered it online? how much did it cost? (wanna ask my relatives to buy one for me...)
=== Hobbsee waves
[02:24] <Hobbsee> heya
=== Hobbsee back a bit later
[02:24] <nixternal> less than $40
[02:24] <nixternal> USD
[02:24] <Jucato> yeah, they're in the US :)
[02:24] <Jucato> NY to be exact
=== Jucato wonders if danimo's book will ever be translated to English, making that 3 Qt 4 books available
[02:25] <nixternal> did he do the German one?
[02:26] <Jucato> yeah
[02:26] <nixternal> ya i seen that one on amazon as well, it is in my 'wish list' somehow
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[02:26] <Jucato> heh... if you can read german :D
[02:26] <nixternal> heh, i can hardly read english ;)
[02:27] <Jucato> lol
[02:27] <Jucato> btw, ordered it through amazon?
[02:28] <Jucato> nixternal: while waiting for the other book, you might find this interesting: http://cartan.cas.suffolk.edu/moin/OopDocbookWiki
[02:28] <ryanakca> anybody have a link to kubuntu posters/pamphlets/promo stuff? all I've found is ubuntu stuff...
[02:29] <nixternal> nice
[02:29] <nixternal> ryanakca: and thats all you will find
[02:29] <ryanakca> drats
[02:29] <nixternal> i think the only K ones I have seen was one I did which was remmoved and I think one raphink did as well
[02:29] <nixternal> ermm, presentations
=== ryanakca wonders if kwiii will ever make one... 
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[02:30] <ryanakca> I would make one... but it would probably scare people away from it rather than attracting people to it
[02:30] <Jucato> heh :)
[02:32] <nixternal> ryanakca: get your blog on the planet, blog about it, and you will be amazed by how many people respond to it
[02:33] <nixternal> i have been getting more and more emails each day from people (most of them bashing beryl and automatix)
[02:33] <nixternal> i have started an anti-beryl and anti-automatix following
=== Jucato always reads the planet... but doesn't comment... :O
[02:34] <nixternal> i try to comment on some blogs
[02:34] <ryanakca> nixternal: I don't have a blog... used to...
[02:34] <Jucato> I don't feel worthy :)
[02:35] <ryanakca> nixternal: but I only wrote stuff in it every 2-3 weeks, and even then it wasn't really interesting...
=== Jucato takes a very short nap...
[02:35] <nixternal> hahaha, my dad seen a commercial that has that old 80's song which i don't know the words (rock the cash box) or something
[02:35] <nixternal> but he says rock the cat box
[02:36] <nixternal> i hate having a big screen tv, he comes over all the time and watches my tv
[02:36] <ryanakca> lol
[02:36] <ryanakca> how far away does he live?
[02:36] <nixternal> i live in their house, just have my own section
[02:36] <ryanakca> couple blocks?
[02:36] <ryanakca> ah
[02:36] <nixternal> ya
[02:37] <ryanakca> meh, I guess you don't get lonely :P
[02:37] <nixternal> i had to move back for a little while so i could finish school with my military benefits before they ran out
[02:37] <ryanakca> ah
[02:37] <nixternal> nah, plus i walk through the garage to get there for some dinner :)
[02:37] <ryanakca> lol
[02:38] <ryanakca> that's a plus
[02:38] <nixternal> ya, my little corner is setup like a flat
=== ryanakca wonders what he'll do with the 50 or so cds he has laying around... hmm...
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[02:41] <ryanakca> I have Debian 3.0, gparted, Mandriva 2006, Red Hat 9, FC1, RH 6.0, Debian 2.0, hmm... knoppix, FC4, CentOS 4.0, Lindows (ick), puppy linux, freebsd 6.1 or 6.0...2 shipit cds left...
[02:41] <Ubugtu> Mandriva bug 2006 in Installation "Can't scroll properly in flat mode." [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2006
[02:42] <ryanakca> wow, it gets mandriva bugs too?
[02:42] <Hobbsee> Uptime: 3 hours and 45 minutes
[02:42] <Hobbsee> impressive :)
[02:42] <ryanakca> lol
[02:42] <nixternal> interesting, the house on google maps must be old, it doesn't have the new portion, nor the pool, and has the old shed & walkway
[02:42] <ryanakca> Uptime: 2 days, 4 hours and 7 minutes
[02:42] <nixternal>  19:42:52 up 5 days, 25 min,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[02:43] <ryanakca> lol
[02:43] <nixternal> dude it was 4 months until my dog unplugged it
[02:43] <ryanakca> Fedora Core bug 200, and sorry for abusing the bug bot :)
[02:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 200 in baz ""baz export" exports to the wrong directory with pathnames consisting of multiple components" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/200
[02:43] <ryanakca> lol
[02:43] <ryanakca> guess not
[02:43] <ryanakca> probably if I removed bug... but doesn't matter
[02:43] <ryanakca> nixternal: I still don't know what the point of uptime is...
[02:43] <nixternal> that is why i use boog instead :)
[02:44] <nixternal> heh, irssi sysinfo command has a vpenis score and i have no clue wth that is
[02:44] <nixternal> Host 'heavymetal', running Linux 2.6.17-10-server - Cpu0: Pentium III 797 MHz; Up: 5d+26 min; Users: 1; Load: 0.02; Free: [Mem: 7/376 Mio]  [Swap: 831/831 Mio]  [/: 16189/18415 Mio] ; Vpenis: 24.7 cm;
[02:44] <nixternal> see
[02:44] <nixternal> and i didn't install that (that i know of)
[02:45] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: yes, but this is a laptpo, and that was how long it lasted without pwoer
[02:45] <ryanakca> odd
=== Hobbsee wonders what happened during the meeting
[02:45] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: nice... my mums is about an hour
[02:45] <nixternal> damn Hobbsee that is awesome
[02:45] <nixternal> mine is 2.5 every rip
[02:45] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: what laptop?
[02:45] <nixternal> and guidance is 100% accurate the entire time
[02:45] <Hobbsee> dell 6400
[02:45] <ryanakca> oh, and Hobbsee, nixternal is writing a resume of the meeting, feel free to harrass him :)
[02:45] <Hobbsee> with the least-brightest screen, using the wifi
[02:45] <Hobbsee> hehe, i'll just read it
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=== Hobbsee now remembers all the stuff taht she wanted toa sk in the meeting :P
[02:46] <ryanakca> lol
[02:47] <Hobbsee> guess i'll have to email it to the ML...
[02:47] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: your a bug triager, right?
[02:47] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: among other things, sure
[02:47] <ryanakca> or did you fade out?
[02:48] <Hobbsee> no, i still do it
=== Hobbsee hasnt had much time lately...
[02:48] <ryanakca> hmm... what would you think of a Kubuntu-QA... I have some ideas under https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RyanKavanagh#head-cfcadec9d857e81f7b76e60c8ab5dfe01e0a5e24 ...
[02:48] <ryanakca> I'm going to talk to mhb about it tommorow, but incorporate the testing team into it...
[02:49] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: yeah...that sort of thing would be the testing team
[02:49] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: there's already a mailing list for it - kubuntu bugs, or something
=== Hobbsee subscribes to most of it anyawy
[02:50] <Hobbsee> what bugs would count as kubuntu bugs?  guess ones that belonged to kde*
[02:50] <ryanakca> yeah
[02:50] <nixternal> a qa team would be great imho
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[02:50] <Hobbsee> what about ubuntu-qa?
[02:50] <ryanakca> anything in kubuntu-desktop mainly, and then the KDE stuff in main. Universe would get a lower priority
[02:50] <Hobbsee> become part of that, do do kubuntu
[02:50] <Hobbsee> argh.  -do
[02:50] <nixternal> Hobbsee: that is mainly for bug triaging is it not?
[02:51] <Hobbsee> nixternal: yes
[02:51] <ryanakca> Ubuntu-qa is anything...
[02:51] <Hobbsee> -qa does mostly triage
[02:51] <ryanakca> and I'm part of ubuntu-qa...
[02:51] <Hobbsee> cd testing, etd
[02:51] <Hobbsee> c
[02:51] <Hobbsee> cool
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[02:51] <nixternal> well, i guess kubuntu-testing is the same as kubuntu-qa and vice versa
[02:52] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: instead of creating a new team, i'd suggest you work with mhb on the testing
[02:52] <Hobbsee> speaking of which, there's a new subforum of ubuntu forums, for cd testers
[02:52] <nixternal> oh ya, i did see the planet post on that
[02:52] <Hobbsee> maybe we want to integrate that with our testing, including a wiki.  not sure on that
[02:52] <ryanakca> Kubuntu Quality Assurance would test it, file bug reports and triage them... kubuntu bugs would be https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs
[02:53] <Hobbsee> as long as people actually keep it well done, that should be really handy
[02:53] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: what's "it"?
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[02:53] <ryanakca> Herd 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, x, groundhog 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, x
[02:54] <ryanakca> whatever -testers tests...
[02:55] <nixternal> hey kde devs, how come in trunk you have kdesecurity, kdock, kfte, and klyx that hasn't been touched in years?
[02:55] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: ah right
[02:55] <Hobbsee> nixternal: ask in #kde-devel or soemthing
[02:56] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: there's no groundhog
[02:56] <ryanakca> I thought next release was grumpy groundhog... meh
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[02:57] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: no.  that's hte inside canonical testing thingo that we dont know about
[02:57] <ryanakca> ah
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[02:58] <Hobbsee> morning deity
[02:59] <bddebian> Heya foks
[02:59] <bddebian> Err folks
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[03:00] <Hobbsee> bddebian: that's you.
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[03:00] <bddebian> Me who?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> bddebian: :P the deity
[03:02] <bddebian> I'm just a schmuck :(
[03:02] <Hobbsee> awwww
[03:03] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you still here?
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[03:06] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: shall I update the topic?
[03:06] <imbrandon> yup
[03:07] <imbrandon> wasup ?
[03:07] <ryanakca> kk, just a sec, I'm going to add the bug link
[03:07] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, pong
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[03:08] <ryanakca> imbrandon: oh, I got hammered by questions at the meeting today :)
[03:08] <ryanakca> bbl, bed :)
[03:08] <imbrandon> lol
[03:08] <imbrandon> later
[03:08] <ryanakca> (or as hobbsee would put it, grilled :)
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[03:09] <imbrandon> yea , hammered == drunk to me ;)
[03:10] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: where's the svn konversation please :D
[03:10] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: yeah, i was going to ask you more :P
[03:10] <imbrandon> ahh yea. cruft, gimme 5 minutes
[03:10] <Hobbsee> hehe
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[03:13] <imbrandon> hehe
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[03:15] <nixternal> lovely, my password for kde svn isn't working
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[03:21] <imbrandon> make -F Makefile
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[03:21] <imbrandon> err
[03:21] <nixternal> hehe
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[03:33] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: take two :P
[03:34] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: what should kubuntu-testers be doing, in your view?
[03:34] <Hobbsee> mhb: *poke*
[03:36] <Hobbsee> jdong: right.  if you're mocking, i dont think we'll do anything about your bug, OK?  :P
[03:42] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: when Riddell bounces you that something python related, can you CC me?
[03:42] <Hobbsee> Riddell: or CC me in the first place?
[03:42] <allee> imbrandon: next time you merge konversation, please remove debian/cdbs/kde.mk.  rules does not use it
[03:47] <Hobbsee> allee: cool, thanks @ kommando
[03:47] <imbrandon> allee, sure
[03:48] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yes i was awake, FYI - i had trouble bootign - latest kernel didnt have l-r-m, so i had no wifi
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[04:24] <jdong> hobbsee: hehe :)
[04:24] <Hobbsee> jdong: :P
[04:25] <jdong> hobbsee: mind you slashdot is my runner-up bug tracking system ;-)
[04:25] <jdong> LOL
[04:26] <Hobbsee> jdong: heh
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[05:35] <nixternal> here we go again
[05:35] <nixternal> anyone have any good news to add to the UWN?
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[05:41] <Hobbsee> nixternal: hrm?  stuff from the meeting would work
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[05:41] <nixternal> already got that
[05:42] <Hobbsee> ah
[05:42] <nixternal> Hobbsee: should you forward him to #fix_your_shiznit
[05:42] <nixternal> or whatever it is
[05:42] <Hobbsee> nixternal: when does this get published?
[05:42] <nixternal> im guessing today/tomorrow depending where at in the world you are
[05:42] <Hobbsee> nixternal: probably....his home server knows about it
[05:42] <Hobbsee> right
[05:42] <Hobbsee> you could say that u-u-s has a mailing list now, but it's still being configured
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[05:45] <nixternal> you had it right with the ## one
[05:45] <nixternal> interesting that he isn't doing this in #ubuntu
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[05:45] <nixternal> yes he is :)
[05:45] <Hobbsee> he just did...
[05:45] <nixternal> jack_wyt: port 8001
[05:45] <nixternal> lol
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[05:46] <nixternal> jack_wyt: you are join/part flooding
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[05:46] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i suspect by accident
[05:46] <Hobbsee> it doesnt want to banforward
[05:47] <nixternal> i think Hobbsee sets +b jack_wyt!*@*##fix_your_client   was the correct way
[05:47] <Hobbsee> he could still join
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[05:47] <nixternal> lol
[05:47] <nixternal> now he can't
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[05:48] <nixternal> there you go
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[05:48] <Hobbsee> hrm
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[05:49] <nixternal> hurry now, see if it works
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[05:49] <nixternal> heh, i can't /opme in here
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[05:50] <nixternal> lol
[05:50] <Hobbsee> yay for that section in konvi :)
[05:50] <nixternal> /ban jack_wyt!*@*!##fix_your_client
[05:50] <nixternal> copy and paste it :)
[05:50] <Hobbsee> yeah,i got it
[05:50] <nixternal> hehe
[05:52] <freeflying> Hobbsee: please unban jack_wyt
[05:52] <Hobbsee> freeflying: for?
[05:52] <Hobbsee> freeflying: is he speaking, as opposed to a dead client?
[05:52] <nixternal> if he was speaking, it would be like a cell phone cutting out
[05:52] <Hobbsee> freeflying: the join/part spam is annoying
[05:53] <Hobbsee> freeflying: especially as it's gone on for days
[05:53] <nixternal> h y hobb se ho   ar  yo   d i g
[05:53] <freeflying> Hobbsee: for his damn network, he is my workmate, i'm suufering the damn netwrok too
[05:53] <freeflying> :)
[05:53] <Hobbsee> freeflying: ahhh.  how are you managing to stay in then?
[05:53] <Hobbsee> freeflying: you may want to suggest he reads logs, if his connection is so flakey
[05:53] <freeflying> Hobbsee: ssh-tunnel  :)
[05:54] <Hobbsee> hehe - teach him about it?
[05:54] <Hobbsee> freeflying: oh, you're in asia somewhere, arnet you.  that wouldnt be pleasant
[05:54] <freeflying> Hobbsee: he haven't any ssh accounts outside our office   :)
[05:54] <Hobbsee> freeflying: ahh
[05:56] <nixternal> freeflying: give him one :)
[05:56] <nixternal> hehe
[05:56] <nixternal> that is a horrid network if it continues to do that
[05:57] <freeflying> nixternal: I haven't too, mine is given by imbrandon too  :)
[05:57] <nixternal> ahhh
[05:57] <nixternal> imbrandon: ^^ :)
[05:57] <nixternal> you can start charging ;p
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[05:58] <nixternal> just make sure he doesn't convert it to USD, we tend to rip people off ;)
[05:59] <Hobbsee> hehe
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[05:59] <Hobbsee> there...
[06:00] <freeflying> Hobbsee: thanks  :)
[06:01] <Hobbsee> freeflying: might be worth getting your friend to ask imbrandon for a shell too
[06:02] <freeflying> Hobbsee: then we really need pay imbrandon for it :)
[06:03] <Hobbsee> freeflying: have you seen the plan that he's on?  it's nuts!
[06:04] <freeflying> Hobbsee: what plan?
[06:04] <Hobbsee> freeflying: the dreamhost plans - i think they have 75 shells, at base rate
[06:05] <freeflying> sounds nice, I'd have a look  :)
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[06:49] <Hobbsee> !root
[06:49] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
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[10:36] <katakombi> Hi. I'd like to get a certain package in feisty. Is it still possible?
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[11:48] <Lure> Tonio_, Riddell: guidance have one release critical bug: crash on startup w/o config file - fix is in svn, but I do not have time to provide debdiff
[11:48] <Lure> Tonio_: how did you create your orig.tar.gz: it is lacking some files on powermanager/icons (ac-adapter, processor)
[11:49] <Lure> Tonio_: and debian/*.install file still packages just battery-*.png - it should also include processor.png and ac-adaptor.png
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[12:59] <Zerlinna> ping Riddell
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[01:40] <Tonio_> Lure: ac-adapter isn't there ??????
[01:41] <Tonio_> argh, I missed the install file.....
[01:41] <Tonio_> Lure: I'm fixing this
[01:41] <Riddell> hi Zerlinna
[01:41] <Tonio_> Lure: ping ?
[01:41] <Tonio_> hey Riddell
[01:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: is the freeze active or can I upoad a latest guidance ?
[01:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: go ahead
[01:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm just doing the package
[01:45] <Zerlinna> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda I hope it's ok like this
[01:49] <Tonio_> Lure: uploaded, sorry for missing the install file changes...
[01:50] <Tonio_> Lure: also, you missed one of my change in guidance-power-manager.py, I readded it, I will send you a patch for svn
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[01:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll try to attend at solution linux 2007 booth
[01:57] <Hobbsee> hey all
[01:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: we need at least one kubuntu person there :)
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[01:58] <Tonio_> hi Hobbsee
[01:59] <Zerlinna> hi Hobbsee
[01:59] <Hobbsee> :) heya
[02:01] <Hobbsee> oh dear.  we still have an "insert image here" section of the released kubuntu docs in edgy - the examples on the cd
[02:02] <Hobbsee> x2
[02:03] <Riddell> Tonio_: do you have CDs?
[02:04] <Riddell> Zerlinna: that looks good
[02:04] <Riddell> Zerlinna: I have a real life meeting this evening, but I'll try and be at CC too
[02:04] <Hobbsee> a real life meeting?  whta's that?
[02:05] <\sh> moins Zerlinna
[02:05] <\sh> happy new year :)
[02:05] <Riddell> akademy organisres
[02:05] <Zerlinna> Riddell: it would be good if you could be at the cc
[02:06] <Zerlinna> hey \sh ! long time no see, happy new year !
[02:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: nope can you provide a few cds to me ?
[02:08] <Tonio_> I'll contact the french locoteam to be sure they accept me and then we can rediscuss this maybe
[02:11] <Zerlinna> Tonio_: will someone of us be present at fosdem?
[02:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ooh, fun :)
[02:13] <Tonio_> Zerlinna: I don't know at all... not that I know
[02:14] <Zerlinna> Tonio_: hmmm pity
[02:15] <Tonio_> Zerlinna: but I can't imagin there is no ubuntu booth in there, I just don't know about kubuntu
[02:16] <Zerlinna> Tonio_: there is a ubuntu booth http://www.fosdem.org/2007/booths :)
[02:17] <\sh> Zerlinna:http://www.fosdem.org/2007/booths
[02:17] <\sh> ubuntu-be will be there
[02:17] <Zerlinna> \sh: I meant if there will also be some kubuntu-people
[02:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: what is the date of the event?
[02:18] <Tonio_> from 01/30 to 02/01
[02:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: 3 days
[02:18] <Riddell> erk
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[02:18] <Tonio_> I'll contact ubuntu-fr today so I hope a response for tomorrow
[02:18] <Tonio_> is that too late to provide me cds ?
[02:19] <Riddell> wait, that's not /in/ three days
[02:19] <Tonio_> no, that's in 3 weeks, and the meeting is 3 days long :)
[02:20] <Riddell> Tonio_: order it on shipit then and put FAO maralize in the title so it gets processed fast
[02:21] <apokryphos> fosdem looks set to be awesome this year; can't wait
[02:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, what is FAO maralize ? what does this mean ?
[02:22] <Riddell> for attention of
[02:22] <Riddell> Maralize is incharge of shipit
[02:23] <seele> mhb: ping
[02:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay thanks :)
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[02:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: talking about that, is your invitation for akademy 2007 still valid ? ^^
[02:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: which invitation was that?
[02:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: you told me 2 month ago you would like me to be there ;)
[02:34] <Riddell> certainly would
[02:34] <Riddell> everyone should come
[02:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm intereted, although I don't know if I'll be free to come, that depends if I get a new job or not.....
[02:35] <Tonio_> if I get a knew one, that means no vacations for a year....
[02:35] <Riddell> bonus points to mhb for getting the kubuntu meeting at the top of UWN
[02:35] <Riddell> no holidays for a year?  what happened to french labour laws?
[02:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: we have 5 weeks per year, but in fact you have to win them, 2 days by month
[02:37] <Tonio_> so when you start working, you generally have to wait for May to take the vacations you won
[02:37] <Tonio_> so if I start in march or april, that means I will have to wait for may next year to take them
[02:37] <Tonio_> that's a bit strange I know, but that's it ;)
[02:47] <Hobbsee> yay, cd testing...
[02:51] <Tonio_> hum that kdebluetooth makes me crazy.... the patch didn't apply during the build, although that's a simple-patchsys task....
[02:51] <Tonio_> I don't understand
[02:55] <Tonio_> Trying patch debian/patches/kubuntu_07_dunhandler_desktop.patch at level 1 ... success.
[02:55] <Tonio_> that's a nightmare..... works locally
[02:56] <Tonio_> fast creating kdebluetooth/kdebluetooth-common/dunhandler/dunhandler.desktop
[02:56] <Tonio_> argh !!!!!!!! it is regenerated :/
[02:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll fix this later, since that's not an emergency at all.... I'll prepare the package and wait for herd2 to be out
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[03:00] <sebas> Tonio_: Did you read my "kbluetoothd uses /etc/init.d/bluez-utils where it should use /etc/init.d/bluetooth" message?
[03:00] <Tonio_> sebas: yup
[03:01] <Tonio_> sebas: I also have to patch this
[03:01] <sebas> Tonio_: Ok, thanks
[03:07] <Tonio_> sebas: patch is done, I'll wait for herd2 to upload
[03:07] <sebas> Kool
[03:08] <jdong> Riddell: ping
[03:14] <Riddell> jdong: hi
[03:14] <jdong> Riddell: question regarding DFSG ktorrent and the GeoIP database
[03:14] <jdong> does the GeoIP standard license really violate Ubuntu's main guidelines?
[03:14] <jdong> Azureus is in universe (not multiverse) and ships with the same database
[03:15] <jdong> Novell/SUSE even ships the database with opensuse's ktorrent
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[03:33] <Hobbsee> jdong: can i smack midmark (cimmo) with the cluebat please?
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[03:34] <jdong> Hobbsee: he's just a user who is slightly ticked off at the possibility of losing 500MB or so of data every time he uses his USB stick
[03:34] <jdong> crazy fool
[03:35] <bddebian> Heya
[03:35] <Hobbsee> jdong: i can understand that.  but a crackpot solution usually doesnt work too well either
[03:35] <jdong> which solution is crackpot?
[03:35] <jdong> mounting sync, or remount-ro then umount?
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[03:35] <Hobbsee> whichever.  without Riddell deciding which one is better
[03:35] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato!
[03:35] <jdong> well, when will Riddell decide?
[03:36] <jdong> this is a decision that could've been made a month before Edgy released when this bug was discovered
[03:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: jdong i suggest you ask him
[03:36] <jdong> instead it's been ignored and shoved back forever
[03:36] <Hobbsee> jdong: then write the damned debdiff.  you clearly know what teh solution is.  that will get you a hell of a lot further than just bitching constantly.
[03:36] <jdong> Riddell: care to express an opinion on how best to safely handle unmounting writable media in Edgy?
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[03:37] <jdong> Hobbsee: I'm not a KDE developer... where is unmounting handled? what source package? what cpp files?
[03:37] <Hobbsee> aiee!  http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/night-bans-tougher-tests-for-pplaters/2007/01/09/1168104983564.html
[03:37] <Hobbsee> jdong: in dbus somewhere.
[03:37] <jdong> in dbus somewhere?
[03:37] <jdong> which KDE source package handles the KDE portion of it though
[03:37] <jdong> kdebase? kdelibs?
[03:38] <jdong> I'm not downloading a 30MB source package in my slow wifi link to find out it's the wrong one
[03:40] <Tonio_> jdong: talking about the usbkey issue, we have 2 things to do :
[03:40] <Tonio_> test 3.5.6
[03:40] <Tonio_> and test packages without sime's patches
[03:40] <jdong> Tonio_: I don't think sime's patches are to blame. The problem exposes itself in FC6 and Opensuse 10.2
[03:41] <Tonio_> jdong: great then
[03:41] <Tonio_> jdong: I thought it was a ubuntu only issue
[03:41] <Tonio_> jdong: then we have to test with 3.5.6
[03:41] <jdong> Tonio_: from what Hobbsee said, the KDE response was 'we will fix it with KDE4' :D
[03:41] <Tonio_> jdong: pffffffff stupid :(
[03:41] <jdong> my sentiments exactly
[03:42] <Tonio_>  it worked before so we just have to revert the code........
[03:42] <raphink> 'we'll fix it after the release'
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[03:42] <Tonio_> worked with 3.5.3 afaicr
[03:42] <jdong> Tonio_: it was a side effect of transitioning to d-bus
[03:42] <jdong> so I'm not sure if we'd want to revert that :)
[03:42] <Tonio_> jdong: hum, probably not indeed
[03:42] <jdong> hence why I suggested mounting sync for the time being
[03:43] <Tonio_> so the issue would be in dbus+kde and not kde code change ?
[03:43] <jdong> well, kde code change to have removable media handled by d-bus rather than itself
[03:43] <jdong> I'm guessing that during that shift, KDE lost its ability to see deeply into mounting behavior
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[03:44] <Tonio_> the kde way to react to hard bugs is dangerous
[03:44] <Tonio_> "wait for kde4"
[03:44] <jdong> I know
[03:44] <Tonio_> that's great, but when will kde4 be mature ?
[03:44] <Tonio_> and all apps ported to it (k3b, amarok....)
[03:44] <Tonio_> that'll take a while
[03:44] <jdong> but to be fair it does seem like this is a bug at the core of storage management and isn't trivial to resolve in a technically meritable way
[03:44] <jdong> which is why I suggested my two workarounds
[03:45] <jdong> (1) mount sync like SUSE/Redhat does
[03:45] <Tonio_> the problem is that kde 3 become unstable
[03:45] <jdong> (2) Change unmounting behavior to remount-ro then unmount
[03:45] <Tonio_> 3.5.3 was just perfect
[03:45] <Tonio_> and each new release adds a bunch of new critical bugs
[03:45] <Tonio_> 3.5.4 went with this one
[03:45] <jdong> that sadly seems like the case
[03:46] <Tonio_> 3.5.5 went with the crappy kwallet not saving passwords on logout......
[03:46] <Tonio_> that really critical
[03:46] <jdong> but I'm sure these will all get fixed in KDE4 ;-)
[03:46] <Tonio_> jdong: your workarround can be the solution as long as we know kde 3 will not be fixed....
[03:46] <Tonio_> jdong: are you able to provide patches for this ?
[03:47] <jdong> Tonio_: no, I don't know the best way to effect that. It's a dbus/hal config file in /etc
[03:47] <jdong> Tonio_: I'd have to recommend talking to one of our experts in that field of how it should be done
[03:47] <jdong> because only kubuntu needs to do it; ubuntu/gnome is unaffected
[03:47] <Tonio_> jdong: hum, we can hack that via kds package, but that's a policy violation
[03:47] <Tonio_> really crappy
[03:48] <jdong> right :-/
[03:48] <Tonio_> and we cannot change the file directly cause that'll impact gnome too
[03:48] <jdong> I wasn't sure if touching hal was something kds was supposed to do
[03:48] <Tonio_> okay can you send me the etc config file patched ?
[03:48] <Tonio_> I'll test and then think about a solution
[03:48] <Tonio_> something acceptable
[03:48] <Tonio_> jdong: only hal is supposed to touch hal ;)
[03:49] <Tonio_> otherwise that's a debian policy violation
[03:49] <Tonio_> not any package is supposed to touch etc/ files except the file holding package
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[03:49] <jdong> Tonio_: look at /etc/hal/fdi/policy/preferences.fdi , line 32 to end
[03:50] <jdong> there's already commented-out sample config lines for forcing sync (on media <1GB, but that check can be easily removed)
[03:50] <jdong> IMO we should not be using that check because media >1GB suffer from the exact same issue
[03:50] <Tonio_> yup
[03:51] <Tonio_> I have a 2gb usb key that has the same problem
[03:51] <jdong> right; size isn't the issue; write speed of the medium is the biggest one
[03:51] <Tonio_> yup
[03:51] <jdong> and nothing says media greater than n GB will write blindingly fast ;-)
[03:51] <Tonio_> hum I have to go for a few minutes, brb
[03:51] <jdong> np
[03:51] <jdong> thanks for your time, Tonio_
[03:51] <Tonio_> jdong: but we have to think about a fix for the release, that's really critical
[03:52] <jdong> yeah
[03:52] <Tonio_> we have to follow how opensuse, mandriva etc... are dealing with this
[03:52] <Tonio_> seya
[03:55] <mhb> hello everyone
[03:55] <mhb> hi seele
[03:56] <Lure> Tonio_: we do not need your change - it is ok in SVN
[03:56] <Hobbsee> jdong: what i said was "it's a result of this, it's already been fixed in kde4" - you know, it's a really bad idea to read someone's text, then interpret it however you like, then blame them constantly.
[03:56] <Lure> Tonio_: and kde-guidance-powermanager needs to depend on kde-guidance
[03:56] <mhb> hi Hobbsee, I noticed you poked me
[03:56] <Tonio_> Lure: hum not that I've seen
[03:56] <Lure> Tonio_: and kde-guidance does not need to depend on python-dbus
[03:57] <Lure> Tonio_: all needed icons are in SVN - I just do not know how you create your tar ball - it is missing some files in powermanager/icons
[03:57] <abattoir> hi everyone too :)
[03:57] <mhb> abattoir: glad to see you
[03:57] <Tonio_> Lure: yeah I changed that to make it clear
[03:57] <Lure> Tonio_: like processor.png, ac-adaptor.png which are there forever
[03:58] <abattoir> mhb: I noticed you poked me :P
[03:58] <Tonio_> Lure: you have all the icons, but you don't use it
[03:58] <Tonio_> lemme give you a diff
[03:58] <Hobbsee> hey mhb.  i'll repoke later
[03:58] <Lure> Tonio_: I think that tarbal should be SVN as-is
[03:58] <Tonio_> Lure: I added them back in my today's upload, my fault indeed
[03:58] <Tonio_> Lure: icons/ is a hudge mess........
[03:58] <Tonio_> why not make it clean once and for all ?
[03:58] <Lure> Tonio_: and you have .svn dirs (use svn export instead of svn co)
[03:58] <Hobbsee> jdong: now you see why i wasnt about to somehow make a patch out of the listed solution there - it's more complicated than first looks
[03:59] <Lure> Tonio_: not anymore - I have removed everyhting that is not needed
[03:59] <Lure> Tonio_: only needed .png is there and all valid .svg's
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[03:59] <Lure> Tonio_: there is still icons/png dir which we probably do not need anymore, but I need to talk with sebas before nuking it
[04:00] <Lure> main is frozen already :-(
[04:00] <Lure> Riddell: we will need exception for this one I think
[04:01] <Tonio_> Lure: you miss icons under icons/
[04:01] <Tonio_> all the icons for charging/discharging are under icons/png
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[04:01] <Tonio_> but important icons are under icons, like ac-adapter and processor
[04:01] <Lure> Tonio_: no, they are duplicated - both in icons and icons/png
[04:01] <Tonio_> Lure: look at my latest tarball
[04:02] <Tonio_> Lure: NO ! ;) you miss charging-80 for example
[04:02] <Tonio_> http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/42
[04:02] <Tonio_> Lure: and concerning the changes I'm doing, here they are
[04:02] <Tonio_> you also miss 80% there
[04:02] <Lure> Tonio_: charging-80 is not used in code ;-)
[04:02] <Tonio_> Lure: that's the change I'm doing
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[04:02] <Lure> Tonio_: I have seen your diff, it is just obsolete
[04:02] <Tonio_> 85 -> 75 -> 60
[04:03] <Tonio_> where is the logic behind ?
[04:03] <Lure> Tonio_: we do not have 80% icon - that is
[04:03] <Lure> ;-)
[04:03] <Tonio_> Lure: it is in icons/png
[04:03] <Tonio_> Lure: that's why it is messy
[04:03] <Lure> Tonio_: it is not!
[04:03] <Lure> Tonio_: at least not in SVN
[04:04] <Tonio_> Lure: it was in my previous upload ;)
[04:04] <Lure> Tonio_: it might be in your tar, but I do not know how you got it
[04:04] <Tonio_> I added the icon and the changes in the python file :)
[04:04] <Tonio_> Lure: I made it
[04:04] <Lure> Tonio_: it might, but it was wrong icon
[04:04] <Lure> ;-)
[04:04] <Tonio_> Lure: okay let's make it clear
[04:04] <Lure> ok, at least it is clear now ;-)
[04:04] <Tonio_> are you okay if I prepare a tar archive with :
[04:05] <Tonio_> all charging/discharging icons
[04:05] <Tonio_> my changes on the code to use them
[04:05] <Tonio_> and clean icons structure
[04:05] <Lure> Tonio_: yes, if 80% is not there (as we do not have .svg for it)
[04:05] <Tonio_> I sum up the changes via an email and you sync if you are okay with them right ?
[04:05] <Tonio_> Lure: no need of svn for those icons, they are pure bitmap ones....
[04:05] <Lure> Tonio_:  just use SVN and pakcage battery*.png processor.png ac-adpater.png from icons/ and you are done
[04:06] <Tonio_> Lure: will do but are you okay for my changes if I'm doing that way ?
[04:06] <Lure> Tonio_: but then we have build dep on inkscape
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[04:06] <Lure> Tonio_: small icons are very tricky for svg->png conversion (rendering)
[04:06] <Tonio_> Lure: we are not building icons via svg file..... the svg files are old ones
[04:07] <Tonio_> that's why we need to clean this !
[04:07] <Tonio_> the new icons don't have svg files, they are pure bitmap
[04:07] <Lure> Tonio_: no, they are only new in upt-to-date svn - do not look at your tar ball!
[04:07] <Lure> ;-)
[04:07] <Tonio_> I'm looking at the svn !
[04:07] <Lure> Tonio_: new icons have .svg!
[04:07] <Tonio_> no ! ;)
[04:08] <Tonio_> look at the files !
[04:08] <Tonio_> svg and png are not the same
[04:08] <Lure> Tonio_: _1 to _9 icons are new from kwwii
[04:08] <Tonio_> argh !
[04:08] <Tonio_> Lure: we can't have 3 version of the icons in the same folder.........
[04:08] <Lure> Tonio_: just open them with Inkscape (konq cannot render them for some reason)
[04:09] <Tonio_> Lure: okay but can you then remove all the old ones from the svn to make it clear ?
[04:09] <Lure> Tonio_: I know, but we care only about .png for packaging, so I do not see what is the problem
[04:09] <Tonio_> battery-charging-040.svg that's n-2 version
[04:09] <Tonio_> battery-charging-040.png -> n-1
[04:09] <Lure> Tonio_: I can cleanup svn, but I need to talk with sebas and kwwii if this is ok
[04:09] <Tonio_> battery-charging_1.svg -> n
[04:10] <Tonio_> that's a hudge mess ;) how can I follow this ?
[04:10] <Lure> Tonio_: I have cleaned up all .png on icons/ so that we can have a simple rule that we need all .png from icons/*.png
[04:10] <Tonio_> Lure: and shouldn't we have png in the svn directly instead of converting during the build ?
[04:10] <Lure> Tonio_: no need to follow .svg ;-)
[04:10] <Tonio_> Lure: sure, but well svg+png is very common in tarballs :)
[04:10] <Lure> Tonio_: we do not convert .svg during the build - it is there for artists only
[04:11] <Tonio_> Lure: okay se what is the point ?
[04:11] <Tonio_> how do we get the png icons ?
[04:11] <sebas> Lure: Sure, go ahead
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[04:11] <Lure> Tonio_: sure they can be in tar ball (it should be everything that svn export gives you)
[04:11] <Tonio_> Lure: okay that's great
[04:11] <Lure> sebas: so it is OK to remove old .svg and png dir?
[04:11] <sebas> Yes
[04:11] <Lure> sebas: I wil do it now to make Tonio happy ;-)
[04:11] <Tonio_> Lure: and also a 80% icon would be nice, I'll look in doing it (very easy)
[04:11] <sebas> That'd be nice
[04:12] <Lure> Tonio_: and sorry for confusion
[04:12] <sebas> Sorry for making it such a mess in the first place.
[04:12] <Tonio_> to make the steps logic instead of 85->75->60>50
[04:12] <Tonio_> are you okay on that point ?
[04:12] <Lure> Tonio_: we do not need it - you dont see the diff with the eye anyhow (too small)
[04:12] <Lure> Tonio_: we could drop some more even
[04:12] <Lure> ;-)
[04:12] <Tonio_> Lure: well the step between 75 ans 60 is a bit violent to me :)
[04:12] <sebas> Right, we made it to work well visually, not arithmetically :)
[04:13] <Tonio_> Lure: I saw that using the app, but maybe I'm just a stupid paranoid
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[04:13] <Tonio_> ;)
[04:13] <Lure> Tonio_: talk with artists than - we can not fix this for Herd2
[04:13] <Tonio_> Lure: sure
[04:13] <Lure> ac-adapter.png is also from other planet (ugly), but that what we have now
[04:13] <Tonio_> okay so it is tool late for herd2, but I'm waiting for the svn and I will do a clean package then ;)
[04:14] <Tonio_> Lure: sorry for the issue
[04:14] <Lure> Tonio_: pinheiro will work on it (I just need to send him an e-mail - I will mention also 80% gap)
[04:14] <pinheiro> yep
[04:14] <Tonio_> Lure: great so that we can apply my patch the py code to go in a 10% step
[04:14] <Lure> Tonio_: we at least need to fix crash on startup - why it is too late? We can ask for exception. Riddell?
[04:14] <pinheiro> hope its not urgent im swaped with work
[04:14] <Tonio_> Lure: I uploaded this
[04:15] <Tonio_> quickly done today
[04:15] <Lure> pinheiro: no urgency - until feisty release ;-)
[04:15] <Riddell> Lure: I'm happy for it
[04:15] <pinheiro> how do you guys like the development in oxygen?
[04:15] <Tonio_> Lure: the package isn't perfect, next will fix deps etc.... but it works
[04:15] <pinheiro> becoming less black :P
[04:15] <Riddell> pinheiro: yay :)
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[04:16] <Tonio_> Lure: thanks for making it clear to me this time :)
[04:16] <Lure> pinheiro: great!
[04:16] <Jucato> pinheiro: hooray! :)
[04:16] <pinheiro> dont need t be this hapy :P
[04:16] <Tonio_> pinheiro: very, very good :)
[04:16] <pinheiro> yea im hapy to so...
[04:16] <pinheiro> :)
[04:17] <pinheiro> any way trying to get the core action icons done this week
[04:19] <Riddell> pinheiro: when do you think I can put oxygen icons into kdelibs trunk?
[04:19] <pinheiro> can we wait to the end of the week i hope that by then i will have the core actions mostly done
[04:20] <pinheiro> Riddell: 3700 icons somthing must be wrong
[04:21] <pinheiro> im my wildest dreams i counted arround 2000
[04:21] <Riddell> pinheiro: if I can do it this weekend that would work out nicely
[04:21] <pinheiro> ok
[04:21] <pinheiro> back to work then much to be done
[04:23] <Lure> Tonio_: removed icons/png dir and old .svg icons. Now we have right .png (for package) and only new .svg (for artists)
[04:24] <Lure> Tonio_: we can rename .svg names to match .png when artists will figure out 80%
[04:24] <Lure> Tonio_: ok?
[04:25] <Lure> Tonio_: if you can "svn export" again and prepare new package with all icons it would be great
[04:25] <Lure> Tonio_: I am sure Riddell can ask for freeze exception (as it fixes very visible bug for Live CD on laptop)
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[04:27] <Lure> Tonio_: sorry for all the mess and late minute changes
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[04:50] <Riddell> Tonio_: poke poke?
[04:56] <hunger> Riddell: You want to use oxygen icons with kde 3.x?
[05:00] <hunger> The oxygen icons guy at akademy said he'll change the license of the icons if he finds someone doing that.
[05:00] <pinheiro> hunger: me one of the oxygen guys
[05:00] <pinheiro> :)
[05:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[05:01] <nixternal> Riddell: do you use svn+ssh with KDE SVN? For some reason my first couple of attempts at logging in didn't work, on the 3rd or 4th password attempt it worked
[05:01] <hunger> pinheiro: Great, so it is OK now to use those icons with non-kde4?
[05:01] <pinheiro> nope
[05:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: want me to prepare and upload a finally fixed guidance ?
[05:01] <pinheiro> :)
[05:01] <pinheiro> ridel is talking about k4 branch
[05:01] <hunger> pinheiro: Good:-) It would be a waste.
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[05:02] <nixternal> argh :)  i was hoping for some new icon love for my lappy :) im using a nice, but silly icon pack from kde-look
[05:02] <Jucato> nixternal: what icon pack?
[05:02] <pinheiro> nixternal: use the one from svn from the oxygen guys :P
[05:03] <nixternal> i don't know. it is a collab project where the guy took icons from multiple packs and made one pack
[05:03] <pinheiro> but i find you using it i will be forced to kill you :P
[05:03] <Jucato> ah hm :)
[05:03] <nixternal> hehe
[05:03] <nixternal> pinheiro: i am not a windows user, so i dont' use stuff "illegally" anymore :)
[05:03] <pinheiro> oo its not ilegal
[05:04] <pinheiro> im just joking
[05:04] <pinheiro> read the licence
[05:04] <pinheiro> you can use it
[05:04] <nixternal> well then, guess i will have to do something then :)
[05:04] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes please
[05:05] <Riddell> hunger: kdelibs trunk is KDE 4
[05:05] <pinheiro> Riddell: maybe you know this example icon what is that one
[05:05] <pinheiro> you marked it as unknow
[05:06] <Riddell> pinheiro: in icons.ods?  I wasn't sure
[05:06] <pinheiro> yep
[05:06] <Riddell> I never found it
[05:06] <pinheiro> the fact is that i cant find it any were
[05:06] <Riddell> I think it's a figment of aseigo's imagination
[05:07] <pinheiro> hehehhehee
[05:07] <pinheiro> will talk to him them
[05:08] <pinheiro> my head was going into mush over this ones
[05:09] <nixternal> wasn't there something about that in the latest kde commit digest?
[05:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: currently building. I'm testing everything and that should be okay. I also fixed the deps as lure noticed minor issues
[05:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: guidance uploaded
[05:20] <Riddell> Tonio_: got a debdiff?
[05:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: tarball is different.....
[05:24] <Tonio_> lots of changes in binary files (png/svg)
[05:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: you need this for Mithrandir ?
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[05:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have a debdiff, but due to svn changes, removall etc.... the content is about 6.5 MB
[05:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: not sure that will help a lot
[05:30] <Tonio_> also lots of changes since my previous upload had svn datas in it (my fault)
[05:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: do you know what lure fixed for the crash?
[05:32] <sebas> Riddell:          # battery critical and lid actions.
[05:32] <sebas> -        self._setCB(self.BatteryCriticalCombo, self.cb_act, self.cb_act_def_critical, self._checkOldConfig(self.config.readEntry("batteryCriticalAction"), False))
[05:32] <sebas> +        self._setCB(self.BatteryCriticalCombo, self.cb_act, self.cb_act_def_critical, self._checkOldConfig(self.config.readEntry("batteryCriticalAction", ""), False))
[05:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: unfortunatelly no
[05:32] <sebas>          self.LaptopLidRadios.setButton(self.config.readNumEntry("laptopLidAction", 0)) #default None
[05:32] <sebas> Rather trivial thing
[05:33] <sebas> (Default value for something that's read from kconfig)
[05:33] <sebas> Would've been a regression, and it's really a one-liner
[05:34] <sebas> And it's critical since it breaks all fresh installs
[05:35] <Riddell> ok, cool
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[05:43] <Riddell> Tonio_: guidance accepted
[05:43] <sebas> Cool!
[05:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks
[05:43] <sebas> Thanks
[05:44] <Riddell> well, thanks for fixing it :)
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[05:50] <nixternal> wo0t on guidance!
[05:50] <nixternal> my last lappy and guidance didn't agree w/ each other, my new lappy and guidance are in love with each other
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[06:31] <nixternal> ../../include/QtGui/private/../../../src/gui/kernel/qt_x11_p.h:50:22: error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory
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[06:31] <nixternal> this begins the errors in building tq-copy from svn, any ideas?
[06:32] <nixternal> qt-copy that is
[06:32] <crimsun> and you have satisified the b-ds?
[06:33] <nixternal> i have gotten most of them, which b-ds would that be?
[06:34] <crimsun> ok, and libx11-dev is correctly installed?
[06:37] <nixternal> :)
[06:37] <nixternal> installing now
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[06:39] <nixternal> thank you sir!
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[06:40] <toma> is transparent and translucent the same?
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[07:55] <zorglu_> q. is the log of the yesterday #ubuntu-meeting available from the web ? if so, any hint on how to find it ?
[07:56] <kwwii> good question
[07:56] <kwwii> if it is not available I have a log from it
[07:56] <kwwii> well, not the whole thing because I had to go to bed
[07:56] <kwwii> but most of it
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[07:57] <nixternal> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[07:57] <zorglu_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Kubuntu <- the official stuff seems quite obsolete
[07:57] <zorglu_> ok thanks
[08:00] <nixternal> qt just completed
[08:01] <nixternal> 1hr 20min, not to shabby
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[08:07] <Lure> Tonio_: thanks for kde-guidance, but it seem we have another problem now: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/972/
[08:07] <Lure> :-(
[08:07] <Lure> Tonio_: not sure how 32-wine.png would get into this package
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[08:07] <yuriy> Lure: it shouldn't be in the ubuntu package
[08:08] <Lure> yuriy: why not?
[08:08] <Lure> yuriy: and why it is in powermanager package - it should not be there either ;-)
[08:08] <yuriy> Lure: because it's not done *blush*
[08:08] <yuriy> no, it shouldn't be in any ubuntu packages, it should be separate but it's not done
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[08:09] <Lure> yuriy: ok
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[08:09] <yuriy> it should be in wineconfig
[08:09] <yuriy> don't know how it would have gotten in some other folder
[08:10] <yuriy> oh it might be in setup script... probably shouldn't have put that in there that early.. but i don't think the packages use that
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[08:23] <Lure> Tonio_ (or Riddell): it only needs simple packaging fix: ftp://[email protected]/kubuntu/feisty/kde-guidance.debdiff
[08:23] <Lure> now all icons are where they should be and it does not crash on startup
[08:30] <Lure> or any other core-dev (raphink, imbrandon) ^^^ ;-)
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[08:54] <Tonio_> Lure: asks me for password
[08:54] <Tonio_> Lure: what is the fix ?
[08:55] <Lure> Tonio_: sorry: http://lure.lu.funpic.de/kubuntu/feisty/kdebase16.debdiff
[08:55] <Lure> (wrong paste)
[08:55] <Lure> Tonio_: http://lure.lu.funpic.de/kubuntu/feisty/kde-guidance.debdiff
[08:55] <Lure> ;-)
[08:56] <Lure> Tonio_: issue was that the source dir at the time of package has combination of icons from guidance and powermanager and *.png took all
[08:56] <Tonio_> Lure: right....... looks like I really lack concerntration nowadays......
[08:57] <Tonio_> yeah I know, that's obvious....... shame on me
[08:57] <Lure> Tonio_: no problem, I pushed a crashing code yesterday in ;-)
[08:58] <Tonio_> yeah but that's not the first error I'm doing today
[08:58] <Tonio_> at least the 3rd
[09:05] <Lure> Tonio_: some days are like that ;-)
[09:05] <Tonio_> Lure: uploaded, no idea if that'll get approved
[09:06] <Lure> Tonio_: I hope so, otherwise they will not have LiveCD ;-)
[09:07] <Lure> Tonio_: you should probably notify Mithrandir in #ubuntu-devel (as others ar doing)
[09:07] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe indeed
[09:11] <Tonio_> hard day today......... I think I should leave the computer since I can't seem to do something without bullshits in it
[09:13] <Tonio_> Lure: mithrandir pinged, I'm waiting for a response
[09:13] <Lure> Tonio_: thanks
[09:17] <Tonio_> Lure: any indea how to install a new language now ?
[09:17] <Tonio_> Lure: language selector is out of the kmenu here....
[09:17] <Lure> Tonio_: it should be in Regional&Language, but Riddell has lost the patch :-(
[09:18] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe, so it is simply not accessible now ? ;) great, I'm not crazy
[09:19] <Tonio_> yeah I remember he did something in the kcm language selector
[09:19] <Tonio_> Lure: did he publish that ? we should be able to find the package on launchpad no ? unless that only was on his hdd ?
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[09:20] <Lure> Tonio_: jsut run /usr/bin/qt-language-selector
[09:20] <Lure> Tonio_: it was never uploaded as it seems to (losts on Riddell's computer)
[09:20] <Tonio_> Lure: yeah that's what I've done :)
[09:20] <Lure> Tonio_: or the screenshots at Herd2 page are just mockup from Krita ;-)
[09:21] <Tonio_> Lure: argh :)
[09:21] <Tonio_> vaporware is evil you know !
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[09:37] <kwwii> dude, do you really believe anyone making mockups would do it with krita?
[09:37] <kwwii> :p
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[09:44] <nixternal> kwwii is right, i did those mockups with mspaint :)
[09:44] <nixternal> i wondered the same thing, everything that is supposedly removed isn't, they are all right there still, but i think that is due to the updates instead of installing directly from a Herd 2 cd
[09:46] <gnomefreak> kde-guidance-powermanager might not install
[09:46] <gnomefreak> i used smartpm (it works out things) but looks like apt will have issues with it not overwriting
[09:47] <kwwii> :p
[09:47] <gnomefreak> its trying to overwrite /usr/share/apps/guidance/pics/32-wine.png
[09:48] <gnomefreak> i cant tell if it worked for me or not it ends in error code 1 but dpkg --configure -a doesnt set anything up. (just a warning)
[09:50] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: that's fixed.... well uploaded at least :)
[09:50] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: we just need to wait for mithrandir to approve
[09:50] <gnomefreak> k
[09:51] <gnomefreak> its all good i just didnt know if it was known i knew guidance was a package you wanted to get in this morning
[09:52] <gnomefreak> the one ending in 0ubuntu1 was the fixed version?
[09:52] <gnomefreak> if so it was acked by the looks of it
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[09:53] <gnomefreak> ah same one
[09:58] <Lure> gnomefreak: fixed version has 0ubuntu2 version
[10:01] <gnomefreak> i saw its the same version smart just re downloads it
[10:04] <Lure> gnomefreak: if you cannot wait, you can use this debdiff:  http://lure.lu.funpic.de/kubuntu/feisty/kde-guidance.debdiff
[10:04] <Lure> ;-)
[10:04] <gnomefreak> oh i already fixed it :)
[10:04] <gnomefreak> --force-overwrite :(
[10:05] <Lure> btw, anybody working on k3b 1.0rc? seaLne maybe?
[10:08] <Riddell> Lure: I uploaded it yesterday
[10:09] <Lure> Riddell: where? nothing in feisty-updates
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[10:09] <Riddell> kdebase_3.5.5a.dfsg.1-1ubuntu16_source.changes Rejected
[10:09] <Riddell> bah
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[10:09] <Riddell> oh well, after herd 2 then
[10:10] <Lure> Riddell: no pb, I just thought it would be nice to test it...
[10:11] <gnomefreak> that was updated
[10:11] <gnomefreak> i have that version of kdebase
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[10:16] <Lure> Riddell: true - I also have that kdebase - are you talking about k3b?
[10:17] <Lure> Riddell: k3b is separate source (0.12.17)
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[10:44] <Lure> looks familiar: http://blogs.gnome.org/view/rodrigo/2007/01/08/0 ;-)
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[11:03] <Lure> Tonio_: kde-guidance accepted!
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[11:15] <Tonio_> Lure: great good news
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[11:22] <allee> I've talked with upstream about digikam 0.9.1 release date and kubuntu upstream freeze on 15th.  They suggested 1 Feb beta, 8 Feb rc and final 14th.  sounds this reasonable? or should I ask for some days more for testing?
[11:23] <allee> Riddell: ^^
[11:25] <Lure> allee: I would suppose if we have rc in before freeze, that we would be allowed to get UVF for released version
[11:26] <Lure> allee: but it is Riddell to tell.. ;-)
[11:27] <allee> Lure: sounds reasonable
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[11:55] <ryanakca> hm... when is feisty released? 07/04/01?
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