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| [02:49] <nofxx> Hi, I'm having problems with LTSP..booting 64 bits machines... anyone sucessful booting 64 bits thu PXE? | |
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| [02:50] <nofxx> I was using ubuntu.. gonna try edubuntu now... | |
| [02:51] <bddebian> Heya | |
| [02:53] <nofxx> ruoeiwurowqeueiwouwerewpioruwqeruoieuqwr | |
| [02:53] <nofxx> ops...sorry | |
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| [02:59] <nofxx> what's the difference "install to hard disk" and "install a worstation" in the edubuntu cd? | |
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| [03:09] <nofxx> hm..after install to hard disk it says "Decompressing Linux...Done" "Booting the kernel" ... and stops... | |
| [03:09] <nofxx> I can write with the keyboard...hum...what I'm not doiing ? | |
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| [08:02] <RichEd> morning all | |
| [08:19] <highvoltage> morning RichEd | |
| [08:20] <RichEd> hey highvoltage | |
| [08:20] <RichEd> gotta minute for me ? | |
| [08:33] <RichEd> ping highvoltage : are you very busy ? | |
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| [08:37] <posingaspopular> room: i need some help. anyone available? | |
| [08:38] <RichEd> posingaspopular: that's a bit general - ask your question ... and see who responds | |
| [08:40] <posingaspopular> I have a d-link dI-541 wireless router and I need a wireclass that will support edubuntu and the wireless | |
| [08:44] <RichEd> posingaspopular: does your default edbuntu install not pick up a vaild signal ? | |
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| [08:45] <posingaspopular> RichEd: I don't have a wireless card yet. I need to buy one. | |
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| [08:46] <RichEd> Ahh ... okay. I've only used built-it wireless, and have never had any hasles. The issue is more related to the ubuntu core than to the edubuntu variant ... I suggest you ask on #ubuntu where there are many more people active. | |
| [08:46] <RichEd> *built-in | |
| [08:48] <posingaspopular> RichEd: thanks. I built my computer myself and never got around to buying a card. my main computer is being used all the time and I need to do HW so I need my personal computer to connect wirelessly | |
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| [08:48] <RichEd> what country are you in ? do you have a wide range of options to buy from ? | |
| [08:52] <posingaspopular> states. i duno about options, ive just decided to buy it and im trying to do preliminary research | |
| [08:53] <RichEd> Well if ask in #ubuntu ... you'll get quite a few stateside people there ... some of who will have had personal experience. | |
| [08:54] <posingaspopular> RichEd: thanks, im in there now | |
| [08:55] <highvoltage> RichEd: sorry, I'm back now | |
| [08:56] <RichEd> highvoltage: no problem :) i'll msg you | |
| [08:56] <highvoltage> ok | |
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| [10:00] <SiCk> ello one and all | |
| [10:02] <highvoltage> 'ello SiCk | |
| [10:04] <SiCk> how's you? | |
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| [10:27] <willvdl> highvoltage, installing freedom toaster. Did You Know it runs off a Breezy server install? | |
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| [10:44] <m300107> &bindaddr=127.0.0.1:8118 | |
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| [10:46] <highvoltage> willvdl: nope | |
| [10:46] <highvoltage> willvdl: although I had a vague idea it did | |
| [10:47] <highvoltage> willvdl: I've never touched FT software before though | |
| [10:48] <willvdl> trying now quick. jsut worried about HW compatability for new chipsets (it didn't find my NIC) | |
| [10:53] <willvdl> http://allafrica.com/stories/200701250138.html | |
| [11:10] <willvdl> highvoltage, what linux OS is likely to run on a P1, 32Mb Ram? (standalone) | |
| [11:12] <highvoltage> willvdl: Debian 2.0 ;) | |
| [11:13] <highvoltage> willvdl: you can get Linux to boot on a PC with 32MB RAM, but if you're looking for a full distrbution with X and everthing, I doubt that the PC will still be of much use | |
| [11:13] <willvdl> yeah. shame, got a guy in Indonesia who received CD's through ShipIt but his hardware is soooo old | |
| [11:13] <highvoltage> willvdl: it might still be useful as a smoothwall box though | |
| [11:13] <highvoltage> willvdl: http://www.smoothwall.org | |
| [11:13] <willvdl> erm, I don't think they guy has much need for a firewall :) | |
| [11:15] <RichEd> hi will ... did you respond tio my request and comments in the other channel ? news and nigeria | |
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| [11:25] <cbx33> ogra: go on | |
| [11:25] <cbx33> call me a genius | |
| [11:26] <cbx33> we now no longer need crippled_des.py | |
| [11:27] <cbx33> license problem over | |
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| [11:36] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: please behave yourself this time | |
| [11:36] <edubuntugirl> <sad face> ok </sad face> | |
| [11:36] <jsgotangco> hello | |
| [11:38] <m310107> Hi, sorry to interrupt, I'm looking for instructions on how to install a thin client (old machine) with a 3GB hard drive. I can't find any decent instructions on the edubuntu webpage. Can someone help? Thanks | |
| [11:39] <highvoltage> hi jsgotangco | |
| [11:39] <highvoltage> m310107: hi, does the computer have a PXE capable network card installed? | |
| [11:40] <highvoltage> m310107: this should be able to help you: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ThinClientHowto | |
| [11:45] <m310107> thanks, no i don' think the bios will support pxe boot, its an old box. I'd have to install a boot image that sorts this out. thx for the url. | |
| [11:50] <m310107> Thx. Am using Ubuntu 6.10 for the server, so this info looks just right. | |
| [11:55] <ogra> cbx33++ | |
| [12:08] <willvdl> highvoltage, is it you that adds all these thingies to edubuntugirl? | |
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| [12:20] <cbx33> ogra: will send you along the source and the book chapter... | |
| [12:20] <cbx33> and I'm gonna have a night off tonight | |
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| [12:21] <cbx33> i don't know why on earth they didn't bother doing that in the first place with the pyvnc2swf viewer | |
| [12:21] <cbx33> it's not exactly hard | |
| [12:21] <cbx33> and it seems to work fine | |
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| [12:56] <highvoltage> willvdl: I add some of the thingies, yes :) | |
| [01:10] <SiCk> cbx33, have you a minute? i've a question... :) | |
| [01:11] <SiCk> just a quicky | |
| [01:11] <SiCk> well, for anyone really... i'm trying to install gdm and firefox via apt-get to my chroot, and i'm getting couldnt find package | |
| [01:12] <SiCk> tried moving sources.list over from the normal /etc/apt/ then running apt-get update, it hits everything but i still get couldnt find package... any ideas? | |
| [01:21] <SiCk> yaay | |
| [01:21] <SiCk> nevermind, was missing something stupid | |
| [01:22] <SiCk> chroot $ROOT being the main stupid thing | |
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| [01:54] <SiCk> anyone know how to set the screen res on certain clients? | |
| [01:56] <SiCk> i have a kiosk situation set-up and the firefox --fullscreen is only taking up a portion of the screen | |
| [02:07] <SiCk> nevermind.. got it i think heh... what a bit of research does for you eh? | |
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| [02:47] <juliux> highvoltage, ping | |
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| [02:52] <paolob> Hi ogra, I'm seen that in the last weeks the file /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf has changed, now it has a "if substring( option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9 ) condition. What is it? thank you | |
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| [02:59] <highvoltage> juliux: pong | |
| [03:00] <highvoltage> paolob: I haven't seen it myself, but I would guess it's so that the server can figure out whether the client is booting from PXE or Etherboot firmware | |
| [03:05] <juliux> highvoltage, did you think you can add a link to the edubuntu weekend in feb in germany in the topic? | |
| [03:11] <highvoltage> ef | |
| [03:11] <highvoltage> juliux: of course | |
| [03:11] <highvoltage> juliux: can you please mail me the details? | |
| [03:11] <highvoltage> juliux: [email protected] | |
| [03:11] <juliux> highvoltage, yes | |
| [03:11] <highvoltage> juliux: sounds like fun! | |
| [03:12] <highvoltage> juliux: what is edubuntu weekend about? I guess I can just hold on a bit for that mail :) | |
| [03:12] <juliux> highvoltage, we will have a network with around 25-30 clients and several servers, one part is to test different server and document the reatkion from the user | |
| [03:13] <juliux> highvoltage, another part is only so see where a beginer has problems to setup a sever | |
| [03:14] <juliux> and we will use it as a get together;) | |
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| [03:22] <sbalneav> Morning all!!! | |
| [03:22] <cbx33> ping ogra | |
| [03:22] <highvoltage> morning sbalneav!! | |
| [03:22] <highvoltage> hi cbx33 too! | |
| [03:22] <cbx33> hey highvoltage sbalneav | |
| [03:22] <sbalneav> Morning highvoltage cbx33 | |
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| [03:31] <juliux> highvoltage, should i write you an e-mail? | |
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| [03:38] <highvoltage> juliux: that would be good | |
| [03:38] <juliux> highvoltage, ok | |
| [03:39] <juliux> highvoltage, i will also write an announcend on -devel and -user in the next days | |
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| [03:44] <highvoltage> juliux: great, then we can link to that too | |
| [03:45] <bddebian> Heya | |
| [03:46] <highvoltage> heya bddebian | |
| [03:46] <bddebian> Hi highvoltage | |
| [03:46] <highvoltage> bddebian: do you still think you are a God? If so, can you please make my i915 graphics problems dissapear? :) | |
| [03:46] <bddebian> Uhm I have never thought I was a God. A Dog maybe but far from a God :-) | |
| [03:47] <highvoltage> ah I see, the wiki page changed! | |
| [03:50] <bddebian> Did it? | |
| [03:58] <highvoltage> yep | |
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| [05:35] <nixternal> hey you guys! | |
| [05:35] <nixternal> </chunk voice> | |
| [05:39] <sbalneav> Chunk voice? | |
| [05:39] <sbalneav> Campbells chunky voice soup? | |
| [05:42] <SimonAnibal> I believe it's a Goonies reference | |
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| [05:44] <cbx33> ping ogra get my mail? | |
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| [06:38] <highvoltage> win 19 | |
| [06:39] <cbx33> hi highvoltage | |
| [06:39] <cbx33> win 19? | |
| [06:40] <highvoltage> hi cbx33 | |
| [06:40] <highvoltage> I escaped my / accidentally | |
| [06:40] <highvoltage> meant to type /win 19 in irssi :) | |
| [06:41] <cbx33> ahh | |
| [06:41] <cbx33> what does taht do in irssi? | |
| [06:41] <highvoltage> changes to channel #19 | |
| [06:42] <highvoltage> irssi has a 'window' for each channel, so you change to window 19 to see, #launchpad, for example | |
| [06:47] <cbx33> anyone answer this question for me? | |
| [06:47] <cbx33> I have a php page with some html ssi includes | |
| [06:47] <cbx33> it doesn't work... | |
| [06:47] <cbx33> can it be made to? | |
| [06:49] <cbx33> I presume it's because it's getting parsed by php first | |
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| [06:50] <highvoltage> cbx33: how does ssi work again? doesn't it execute local scripts in your pages? if so, you could use exec in php, right? | |
| [06:50] <cbx33> yeh | |
| [06:50] <cbx33> i could | |
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| [07:20] <bdoin> Nepali fights OLPC from the inside, http://www.olpcnews.com/ GCompris taken as hostage | |
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| [07:30] <cbx33> hmm....since updating today X seems to be crashing a lot | |
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| [08:47] <cbx33> ======edubuntu meeting 13 mins======== | |
| [08:53] <highvoltage> my responses might be a bit slow.. eatin an ice cream tht's melting faster than I can eat | |
| [08:54] <stgraber> :) It should be warmer than here in that case :) | |
| [08:54] <stgraber> No risk that would happen here :) | |
| [08:57] <cbx33> ===============edubuntu meeting 3 minutes away...get your beer ready========== | |
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| [08:59] <pips1> hi everybody | |
| [08:59] <RichEd> hi pips1 :) | |
| [08:59] <highvoltage> hi pips1 | |
| [09:00] <pips1> hey, i didn't see you there, highvoltage :-) | |
| [09:00] <highvoltage> understandable, I was just out to clean all the chocolate | |
| [09:00] <pips1> huh? | |
| [09:00] <cbx33> ===========edubuntu meeting NOW=========== | |
| [09:01] <pips1> clean all the chocolate? | |
| [09:01] <highvoltage> pips1: I just ate an ice cream that melted quicker than I could eat it, ended up being quite messy | |
| [09:01] <pips1> :) | |
| [09:01] <pips1> ahhh summer | |
| [09:09] <froud> hi highvoltage | |
| [09:10] <nixternal> sorry for going out of sequence on my post in #ubuntu-meeting | |
| [09:10] <nixternal> I haven't had much time to work on docs the past few weeks with a super busy school schedule | |
| [09:10] <cbx33> heheh np nixternal | |
| [09:10] <nixternal> I promise to put in some doc work this weekend | |
| [09:10] <highvoltage> hi froud | |
| [09:10] <RichEd> no problem nixternal ... we've all been busy kicking off 2007 | |
| [09:10] <nixternal> I am doing Kubuntu docs as well, and I am the only one doing that, so bear with me the next few weeks, I will promise I will try to not let anyone down :) | |
| [09:11] <froud> highvoltage: the meet here or at #ubuntu-meeting | |
| [09:11] <nixternal> RichEd: if you have any ideas/plans you want implemented with the Handbook, just highlight me, or email me ([email protected]) and I will address them as soon as I can | |
| [09:11] <highvoltage> froud: #ubuntu-meeting | |
| [09:12] <nixternal> I need to head off, so I will chat with you all in a bit, during my dinner break tonight | |
| [09:12] <RichEd> thanks ... will do | |
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| [09:28] <cbx33> hey UbaGeek | |
| [09:28] <cbx33> we can talk here | |
| [09:28] <cbx33> the meeting is in session so here is preferred | |
| [09:29] <UbaGeek> hey dude | |
| [09:29] <cbx33> howz it going? | |
| [09:29] <cbx33> I'm normally in here pretty much always | |
| [09:29] <cbx33> guys meet UbaGeek, he's a Youth LUG founding member | |
| [09:29] <cbx33> and helps me out a lot | |
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| [09:29] <cbx33> and....yup youg uessed it...he runs linux exclusivly | |
| [09:29] <cbx33> hehe | |
| [09:30] <cbx33> UbaGeek, what you need to do now is register your nickname | |
| [09:30] <UbaGeek> how | |
| [09:30] <cbx33> UbaGeek, type this | |
| [09:31] <cbx33> /msg nickserv help register | |
| [09:33] <RichEd> hi UbaGeek ... greetz from Cape Town, South Africa | |
| [09:34] <cbx33> RichEd, did you get my pm? | |
| [09:34] <UbaGeek> hey dude | |
| [09:34] <RichEd> checking now ... too many /msg windows | |
| [09:34] <cbx33> haha | |
| [09:34] <cbx33> UbaGeek, did you get it registered? | |
| [09:35] <UbaGeek> i hope so | |
| [09:35] <UbaGeek> at least i think | |
| [09:35] <cbx33> ok | |
| [09:35] <cbx33> so now when ever you sign onto irc | |
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| [09:35] <cbx33> do /msg nickserv identify <password> | |
| [09:35] <cbx33> remeber to do the / | |
| [09:35] <UbaGeek> ok | |
| [09:35] <cbx33> else your password will be put up on screen for everyone to see | |
| [09:36] <UbaGeek> right | |
| [09:36] <highvoltage> /msg nickserv identify edubuntufan911 | |
| [09:36] <highvoltage> :p | |
| [09:37] <cbx33> hehehe | |
| [09:37] <cbx33> nooooo | |
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| [10:21] <LNS> hey guys! | |
| [10:21] <highvoltage> hey LNS | |
| [10:21] <LNS> Can anyone tell me real quick if I should update the LTSP environment if I'm using 6.06LTS and I haven't moved to 6.10, but there were 239 updates installed on the server? | |
| [10:22] <LNS> All I can find is that you should update LTSP env. if you move from version to version. | |
| [10:22] <highvoltage> afaik there's no major benefit in upgrading the chroot at the moment. probably some fixes in LDM, but I suggest you hang around, ogra ould tell you for sure | |
| [10:23] <LNS> awesome...thanks highvoltage =) | |
| [10:23] <highvoltage> LNS: :) | |
| [10:23] <LNS> 'hoping these updates will give me printing to our HPLJ 1000 via usb...having issues at the moment so i thought i'd apt-getallthedamnupdates =) | |
| [10:24] <highvoltage> heh | |
| [10:27] <LNS> Anyone try Edubuntu on one of those brand new HP proliant servers? The thing is crazy...redundant power supplies, the whole deal..wish i had the model handy | |
| [10:27] <LNS> dual xeon 3.2ghz | |
| [10:27] <LNS> 8gb ram | |
| [10:28] <LNS> ahh..it's an HP ML370G5 | |
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| [11:03] <rodarvus> willvdl, do you want to discuss about yelp tomorrow? | |
| [11:04] <rodarvus> (I'll be here for a little while still, depends if you still have some steam) | |
| [11:04] <pips1> willvdl: so... what time suits you tomorrow? for me, afternoon is better | |
| [11:04] <willvdl> rodarvus, that would be cool. I'm not that familiar with yelp | |
| [11:04] <willvdl> but the moodle stuff doesn't worry me at all | |
| [11:05] <rodarvus> *nods* | |
| [11:05] <pips1> ogra: any news from Jordan on edubuntu-menus-completion ? | |
| [11:05] <willvdl> rodarvus, have meeting at 12 UTC so afternoon | |
| [11:05] <ogra> pips1, nope | |
| [11:06] <willvdl> rodarvus, thanks, would appreciate it | |
| [11:06] <ogra> pips1, but i'd rather see him focusing on main inclusion for the second CD | |
| [11:07] <pips1> in the spec Jordan writes that he is being held up by a gnome bug... the conversation in the bug tracker is kind of slow... http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=374577 | |
| [11:07] <rodarvus> 12UTC is bad for me (I'll have car insurance schedule by then) - would you mind doing one hour earlier? (or one hour later) | |
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| [11:08] <ogra> pips1, sounds rather like "rejected" | |
| [11:08] <pips1> ogra: yeah | |
| [11:08] <willvdl> rodarvus, I'm tied at 12 UTC so either way | |
| [11:09] <rodarvus> lets do 13UTC, then | |
| [11:09] <willvdl> cool. should be done by then | |
| [11:09] <pips1> ogra: has Jordan been around lately? you in touch? | |
| [11:10] <ogra> we talked very shortly recently ... i otiifed him about the secod CD | |
| [11:10] <ogra> *second | |
| [11:10] <pips1> ic | |
| [11:10] <ogra> *no ti fi ed | |
| [11:10] <ogra> tsk | |
| [11:10] <pips1> hehe | |
| [11:10] <pips1> it was readable :) | |
| [11:10] <willvdl> rodarvus, can moodel be used as decentish email server? | |
| [11:10] <pips1> i otiifed | |
| [11:10] <ogra> willvdl, no | |
| [11:10] <rodarvus> hmm? | |
| [11:10] <rodarvus> no :) | |
| [11:11] <willvdl> ogra :) | |
| === willvdl remebers previous discussion | |
| [11:11] <rodarvus> moodle is just a CMS | |
| [11:11] <ogra> but it can make use of a decent email server runing on the same machine | |
| [11:11] <ogra> i think there is a webmail and an imap module | |
| [11:11] <rodarvus> it needs the whole backend to work: database, web server, email server, etc | |
| [11:11] <willvdl> sorry, mean groupware rather (which is a leading definition) | |
| [11:11] <ogra> you can easily run it without email setup | |
| [11:11] <rodarvus> ahn | |
| [11:12] <ajmitch> willvdl: what sort of groupware are you needing though? | |
| [11:12] <rodarvus> willvdl, I'm not sure it has a decent groupware plugin | |
| [11:12] <ajmitch> email, calendar, etc? | |
| [11:12] <rodarvus> I'd say "not", but moodle has surprised me in many (positive) ways until now | |
| [11:12] <willvdl> but can handle calenders, addressbook etc.? | |
| [11:12] <ogra> ajmitch, something that looks like hula but wors | |
| [11:12] <ogra> *works | |
| [11:12] <ajmitch> haha | |
| [11:12] <rodarvus> the default modules are overall good quality | |
| [11:12] <pips1> hihi | |
| [11:12] <rodarvus> 3rd party, not so good, most of the times | |
| === ajmitch is biased towards phpgroupware | |
| [11:13] <willvdl> ajmitch, short story is I'm fishing for a good exchange replacement to suggest for backend solutions | |
| [11:13] <ogra> rodarvus, well, third party is often written by teachers with a "php in 30 days" handy ... | |
| [11:13] <rodarvus> ogra, indeed | |
| [11:13] <pips1> willvdl: there isn't one | |
| [11:13] <rodarvus> willvdl, I don't think moodle would be your best choice on this field | |
| [11:13] <pips1> agreed | |
| [11:14] <rodarvus> moodle really shines in easing the creation of new courses (and the whole environment around it) | |
| [11:14] <willvdl> I must make the time to install and run moodle... | |
| [11:14] <ogra> willvdl, lotus :P | |
| [11:14] <rodarvus> hula would be grand - if it was ready | |
| [11:14] <ajmitch> willvdl: as I said, I'm biased towards phpgroupware, but I know the upstream developers & have done some work on it :) | |
| [11:14] <pips1> moodle is completely focussed around the concept of a *course* | |
| [11:14] <willvdl> hula looks good but that is all | |
| [11:15] <ogra> hula is a gag ... | |
| [11:15] <rodarvus> willvdl, hula is far from being complete - or even useable | |
| [11:15] <willvdl> ajmitch, would help if we had something to suggest that wasn't only universe supported :) | |
| [11:15] <ogra> willvdl, we dont | |
| [11:15] <ajmitch> willvdl: pfft | |
| [11:15] <willvdl> hula lacks client support | |
| [11:15] <ogra> there simply is nothing we support in that area | |
| [11:15] <ajmitch> willvdl: it's packaged by a core dev, is that good enough? ;) | |
| [11:16] <willvdl> I mean, it's fine to run an email server in a corporate/org backend | |
| [11:16] <ogra> i always thought it shuld be an edub untu duty to bring it to main and care for it though ... | |
| [11:16] <ogra> but i cant do everything :) | |
| [11:16] <ajmitch> ogra: well if you want me to push it to main, I can try :) | |
| [11:16] <ogra> ajmitch, what exactly ? | |
| [11:16] <willvdl> ogra, not specific to edubuntu | |
| [11:16] <ajmitch> phpgroupware, in this case | |
| [11:16] <ogra> i wont care for phpgroupware | |
| [11:16] <ajmitch> I would | |
| [11:17] <ogra> moodle in main is scary enough for three releases | |
| [11:17] <willvdl> ajmitch, how does it scale? | |
| [11:17] <ogra> or four | |
| [11:17] <ajmitch> quite well, I know people using it with several thousand users | |
| [11:17] <ajmitch> not sure how many concurrent logins | |
| [11:17] <pips1> :-O | |
| [11:17] <ogra> willvdl, specific to edubuntu i think we need to integrate something like a groupware server at some point | |
| [11:17] <ajmitch> ogra: I own the package in debian, I know it well enough | |
| [11:18] <pips1> ogra: why? | |
| [11:18] <ogra> does it work properly with postgres ? | |
| [11:18] <ajmitch> I do need to rip out wwwconfig-common & a few things, it's been on my todo list for awhile | |
| [11:18] <ajmitch> yes, postgres, mysql, oracle, even mssql | |
| [11:18] <ogra> pips1, a user request i often get | |
| [11:18] <willvdl> ogra, I suspect the same rquirements for education in groupware are the same for ubuntu users | |
| [11:18] <pips1> educators ask for groupware ? | |
| [11:18] <ogra> right | |
| [11:19] <ogra> pips1, yep | |
| [11:19] <pips1> or school admin staff ask for groupware ? | |
| [11:19] <willvdl> ajmitch, oracle huh? which versions? | |
| === ajmitch can't recall what versions it's been tested with, sorry | |
| [11:19] <willvdl> pips1, education departments do | |
| [11:19] <pips1> right | |
| [11:19] <willvdl> ajmitch, I can push that one hopefully | |
| [11:20] <ogra> willvdl, all datatbases through odbc i guess ... even oracle :) | |
| [11:20] <ogra> (if you dont find a native plugin unixodbc is your friend) | |
| === willvdl has had good experience with odbc | |
| [11:21] <pips1> well, schooltool wants to fill the gap... it's just been a vexed project, though :-( | |
| [11:22] <willvdl> pips1, consider a government wanting a national rollout, with school admin, staff emails, calenders etc | |
| [11:22] <willvdl> schooltool will bridge that SIF question in time and that will be great | |
| [11:23] <pips1> I know about SIF, but what do you mean with 'SIF question' | |
| [11:23] <willvdl> I honestly believe that a groupware solution without client support is a serious downer | |
| [11:23] <pips1> ? | |
| [11:23] <pips1> with client support you mean evolution? | |
| [11:23] <rodarvus> gotta leave, see you guys tomorrow! | |
| [11:23] <ajmitch> bye rodarvus :) | |
| [11:23] <willvdl> pips1, meaning making full use of it etc. | |
| [11:24] <willvdl> rodarvus, ciao | |
| [11:24] <pips1> cu rodarvus | |
| [11:24] <rodarvus> *waves* | |
| [11:25] <pips1> willvdl: do you mean a desktop client (i.e. ms outlook, i.e. evolution) to access your emails/calendars/todo items/... ? | |
| [11:25] <willvdl> pips1, yes | |
| [11:25] <willvdl> client integration more like it | |
| [11:25] <ogra> willvdl, odbc is a scary insecure thing, but has the advantage that it wrks nearly everywhere ... | |
| [11:26] <willvdl> ogra, providing nobody tries to do something innovative with SQL | |
| [11:26] <ogra> heh | |
| [11:26] <willvdl> pips1, the thing being, if you don't have network, you can still see your calender | |
| [11:27] <pips1> well, I don't think having a desktop client is important (i.e. I can imagine a usable AJAX style browser interface), but I think *desktop integration* is important (i.e. drag-and-drop of files, notifications, etc) | |
| [11:27] <willvdl> The web may be moving to google and ajax and whatever, but most of us don't have the web in a reliable fashion | |
| [11:28] <pips1> right | |
| [11:28] <pips1> i see your point | |
| [11:28] <willvdl> take for example a corporate LAN that goes down for an hour. you need to see you email/calender | |
| [11:28] <pips1> hmm right | |
| [11:28] <willvdl> Internet is a first world luxury :) | |
| [11:29] <pips1> well, as you said, *reliable* internet connectivity is... | |
| [11:29] <pips1> even LAN, if I take your word | |
| [11:29] <pips1> :) | |
| [11:29] <willvdl> :) | |
| [11:30] <willvdl> it happens | |
| [11:30] <willvdl> pips1, take a look at https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/Wiki/SiteMap if you get a chance | |
| [11:30] <willvdl> it links to a page structure I was working on | |
| [11:30] <willvdl> look and feel not perfect at all | |
| [11:30] <pips1> *click* | |
| [11:30] <willvdl> but it is an attempt to move the bits and pieces together | |
| [11:31] <willvdl> i.e. from www, old wiki pages etc. | |
| [11:31] <willvdl> trying to consolidate. eventually I would like the Launchpad stuff to go to LP help pages or reference then when they get written | |
| [11:32] <pips1> hmm | |
| === pips1 mulls over will's structure | |
| [11:33] <willvdl> completely open to change/suggestion | |
| [11:34] <willvdl> e.g. https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/Community would need to look and read better | |
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| [11:34] <npnutn> Greetings, all. | |
| [11:34] <pips1> generally it helps to name content for browsing in the way "the user thinks", i.e. in terms of the user's *goals* and subsequently, in terms of actions/tasks one has to do to achieve your goal ? | |
| [11:35] <pips1> I like "GetInvolved" | |
| [11:35] <willvdl> uhuh | |
| [11:35] <pips1> I don't like "Photos" | |
| [11:36] <willvdl> I had to think hard about wikinames :) | |
| [11:36] <willvdl> and hope that a good Community start page would help | |
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| [11:37] <willvdl> "GetInvolved" needs more info and links | |
| [11:37] <pips1> oops, these pages all exist already | |
| [11:37] <pips1> 8-O | |
| [11:38] <willvdl> I'd like to avoid too many links to the same page, just in case the link moves or changes info | |
| [11:40] <npnutn> I see ogra in the room. Perhaps other will know as well. What is the status of sound for LTSP thin clients on Edgy? Any luck with Flash yet? | |
| [11:41] <ogra> should work fine | |
| [11:41] <ogra> at least it did when i tested it last ... | |
| [11:41] <npnutn> Hmmm. | |
| [11:41] <npnutn> My results have been.... mixed. | |
| [11:42] <willvdl> folks, off to bed. ciao | |
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| [11:43] <ogra> npnutn, well, at least i can promise that all sound related issues are solved in feisty | |
| [11:43] <pips1> npnutn: supporting flash-sound for a local workstation and supporting it for thin clients shouldn't be any different? | |
| [11:43] <ogra> we switched to pulseaudio with alsa emulation ... | |
| [11:43] <ogra> which is classes better than any former remote sound implementation | |
| [11:44] <ogra> (including full volume control, recording etc) | |
| [11:44] <npnutn> Very nice. I've heard good things about pulse. I haven't tried Feisty yet... | |
| [11:45] <npnutn> ... I haven't heard much about stability with it. (?) Recording, you say? | |
| [11:48] <ogra> i havent got the magic running to set the local mixer for the right input device on the client | |
| [11:48] <ogra> but if you tweak it manually, you can actually record from an attached mic | |
| [11:49] <ogra> ofr feisty volume control and stability were my main focused parts | |
| [11:49] <ogra> if we dont have magically sound recording ready before feisty+1 i wont cry about it | |
| [11:50] <ogra> the base is there ... and it improved a lot beyond esd | |
| [11:50] <npnutn> Nice. Should be good for folks wanting VoIP and such. | |
| [11:51] <ogra> yep | |
| [11:51] <npnutn> ogra: did I see you on the list of devs for a "fat-client" package? | |
| [11:51] <ogra> puse just emulates an alsa card ... so everythng just picks it up... | |
| [11:51] <ogra> yes | |
| [11:51] <ogra> but i cant promise yet that fat clients will happen this release | |
| [11:52] <ogra> they depend on network authenticatio which i'm just implementing | |
| [11:52] <ogra> so only if i make it with this feature in time i can move on to the next | |
| [11:52] <npnutn> :) Just the fact that it is in the works is cool. What auth. method? PAM/LDAP? | |
| [11:53] <ogra> yep | |
| [11:53] <ogra> probably CIFS | |
| [11:53] <ogra> bt pam ldap for sure | |
| [11:53] <pips1> \o/ | |
| [11:53] <ogra> if i ever get over my shock with udev ... | |
| [11:54] <pips1> heh | |
| [11:54] <npnutn> ;) | |
| [11:55] <ajmitch> ogra: udev doing that would be libnss-ldap playing up, I thought | |
| [11:55] <ajmitch> and it should have a very low timeout setting at the moment | |
| [11:55] <ogra> it has | |
| [11:56] <ajmitch> what is udev doing then? | |
| [11:57] <ogra> well, /etc/nsswitch.conf told it to try ldap and then compat ... | |
| [11:57] <ogra> it looped through nss-ldap requests ... | |
| [11:57] <ajmitch> it shoudl have tried ldap, timed out quickly, and then moved on | |
| [11:57] <ogra> with "cant find ldap server ldap://127.0.0.1" | |
| [11:57] <ajmitch> I was testing it at UDS, it didn't delay bootup that much | |
| [11:57] <ogra> it hung in an endless loop | |
| [11:58] <ogra> even in single user mode | |
| [11:58] <ajmitch> hm, unless it's trying to repeatedly lookup numerous uids/gids | |
| [11:58] <ajmitch> that's rather annoying | |
| [11:58] <ogra> i had to wipe /etc/nsswitch.conf from a liveCD to get in again | |
| [11:59] <ogra> passwd: ldap compat | |
| [11:59] <ogra> group: ldap compat | |
| [11:59] <ogra> thats all i changed | |
| [11:59] <ajmitch> I wonder if compat ldap would work better | |
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| [12:00] <ajmitch> yeah, my code was appending it, so it became 'compat ldap' | |
| [12:00] <ogra> hmm | |
| [12:00] <ajmitch> maybe why I've had less problems | |
| [12:00] <ajmitch> anyway, I have to run out, back later | |
| [12:00] <ogra> what happens if you have a group in both | |
| [12:01] <ogra> i.e fuse would be a candidate ... which would it take ... | |
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