| [04:09] <InHisName> How can I tell when I have enough pieces of java installed into ubuntu that java IS complete? | |
| [04:10] <InHisName> I have installed several java items, such as jre such and such, java6 etc. and others. I have Hardy 64 bit with 64 bit browsers. | |
| [04:14] <InHisName> I have two online classes from different schools and both have java tests and both fail. One I cannot even log in, says applet running but wont ever accept text at input boxes. It will work in firefox under XP. A java applet not running right under ff in Hardy. | |
| [09:19] <Peddy> Is there a way to get Java apps to play sound through Pulseaudio? | |
| [09:26] <persia> Peddy, Yes, but it's new. | |
| [09:26] <Peddy> persia: I'm willing to give it a try. | |
| [09:26] <persia> I'm just checking to see which you need now. | |
| [09:27] <Peddy> Thanks persia | |
| [09:28] <persia> Looks like the version in jaunty is preconfigured to work with the regular sound API. | |
| [09:28] <persia> For intrepid, I think it needs to be configured differently. | |
| [09:28] <Peddy> ok | |
| [09:29] <persia> But I can't find a configuration file :( | |
| [09:30] <Peddy> Is it just a newer version of PA? | |
| [09:30] <persia> It's also passing --enable-pulse-java when building openJDK | |
| [09:31] <Peddy> So I could just build my own openJDK, and use those parametres? | |
| [09:31] <persia> Maybe. | |
| [09:31] <persia> The version in intrepid Recommends pulseaudio, but doesn't depend on it, which makes me uncertain. | |
| [09:32] <Peddy> If I have a Java app that uses ALSA rather than PA, will the sound card still be locked? | |
| [09:33] <persia> What are you using to make sound? javax.sound.* ? | |
| [09:33] <Peddy> probably, right, since the ALSA stuff is still piped through PA? | |
| [09:33] <Peddy> I don't know, I'm just running someone else's Java program. | |
| [09:34] <persia> Well, it depends on how they've coded it. | |
| [09:34] <Peddy> ok, I'm going to go with the openJDK pulseaudio thing. | |
| [09:34] <persia> If it uses some special library (e.g. tritonus), it may not switch. | |
| [09:35] <Peddy> Ok, I'm going to download the openjdk source. Once it's done, could you help me with compiling it correctly? | |
| [09:35] <persia> If it's just using javax.sound, it should just automatically use pulse if that's enabled in the JRE. | |
| [09:35] <persia> Hold on: there's probably a simpler way. | |
| [09:36] <Peddy> ok | |
| [09:42] <Peddy> Ok, I've downloaded the source, and the binary plug thing. | |
| [09:42] <Peddy> The binary plug is asking where to install itself, where should I install it | |
| [09:42] <Peddy> ? | |
| [09:44] <persia> Hrm? | |
| [09:45] <persia> From where did you download it? Nothing in Ubuntu should ask anything like that. | |
| [09:45] <Peddy> nevermind, I can install the binary plugs to anywhere. | |
| [09:45] <Peddy> persia, I'm compiling the latest openJDK with --enable-pulse-java | |
| [09:45] <persia> Ah. I'd consider that the hard way :) | |
| [09:46] <Peddy> well, it seems to be the only way for me right now :) besides, it's already compiling. | |
| [09:46] <persia> OK. | |
| [09:47] <persia> If I were doing it, I'd have used apt-get source to get the version in intrepid, edited the commented-out with_pulse = yes in debian/rules to match the change in the patch at http://launchpadlibrarian.net/19830233/openjdk-6_6b13%7Epre1-0ubuntu2_6b13%7Epre1-0ubuntu3.diff.gz and used debuild to create a package. | |
| [09:48] <Peddy> How do you apt-get source in Ubuntu? That's something I never knew how to do. | |
| [09:48] <persia> From a terminal, run `apt-get source openjdk-6` | |
| [09:49] <persia> That will download the source for openJDK, and the build infrastructure used to create the packge. | |
| [09:49] <Peddy> where does it download it to? | |
| [09:49] <persia> Then you can run `sudo apt-get build-dep openjdk-6` to get all the support libraries you need installed. | |
| [09:49] <persia> It downloads to the current directory. | |
| [09:49] <Peddy> great, thanks. | |
| [09:50] <Peddy> I'd rather do that, anyway. | |
| [09:50] <persia> Yeah. Saves a few headaches in dealing with known fixes for Ubuntu, and package installation/removal :) | |
| [09:51] <Peddy> ok, it's downloaded. | |
| [09:52] <persia> OK. Now install the packages required to build with apt-get build-dep | |
| [09:52] <Peddy> done | |
| [09:53] <persia> Next, in the openjdk source directory, you want to edit the debian/rules file | |
| [09:53] <Peddy> wait, it's apt-get build-dep openjdk-6-jdk, right? or -jre | |
| [09:53] <persia> Just openjdk-6 | |
| [09:54] <persia> apt-get build-dep works on source packages. | |
| [09:54] <Peddy> ok | |
| [09:54] <Peddy> it's downloading | |
| [09:54] <persia> OK. While that's going on, you can edit the rules file. | |
| [09:54] <Peddy> ype | |
| [09:54] <persia> Find the place where it has with_pulse = yes commented out. | |
| [09:55] <Peddy> yep* | |
| [09:55] <persia> I've made an edit from the jaunty patch to work on intrepid that you can see at http://paste.ubuntu.com/109301/ | |
| [09:55] <persia> Just delete all 5 commented out lines, and add those three lines to build with pulse on intrepid (you are running intrepid, right?) | |
| [09:55] <Peddy> ye | |
| [09:55] <Peddy> s | |
| [09:56] <persia> OK. | |
| [09:56] <persia> Once you save your edits, then from the package directory, run `dch -i` | |
| [09:56] <Peddy> wait | |
| [09:56] <persia> This will create a changelog entry where you can document the change. I'd recommend something like "* Configure with pulseaudio in intrepid" | |
| [09:57] * persia waits | |
| [09:57] <Peddy> (: | |
| [09:57] <Peddy> ok | |
| [09:57] <Peddy> where is the rules file? | |
| [09:57] <Peddy> I was in the directory of the manually-downloaded openjdk when I apt-get source, so that kinda messed everything up :/ | |
| [09:58] <persia> In the directory where you ran `apt-get source openjdk-6`, it should have created a directory containing the unpacked source code. | |
| [09:58] <Peddy> yes | |
| [09:58] <persia> Ah. You might want to start in a new scratch directory :) | |
| [09:58] <Peddy> I did, and that's what took so long xD I had to download everything again. | |
| [09:58] <Peddy> and | |
| [09:58] <Peddy> I'm in /debian, what's the file called again? | |
| [09:58] <persia> OK. So, in that directory, there is a directory named "debian". | |
| [09:58] <persia> The instructions for the build are in debian/rules | |
| [09:59] <Peddy> great | |
| [09:59] <Peddy> ok | |
| [09:59] <Peddy> which lines do I un-comment? | |
| [09:59] <persia> Look for "with_pulse = yes" | |
| [10:00] <Peddy> got it | |
| [10:00] <persia> Then, delete 5 lines and add three lines as outlined at http://paste.ubuntu.com/109301/ | |
| [10:00] <Peddy> with_pulse wasn't actually commented. | |
| [10:01] <persia> Interesting. | |
| [10:01] <persia> I've just been guessing off the patch for the upload that said it was enabled. Now I actually have to look :) | |
| [10:02] <Peddy> It says this: ifeq ($(with_pulse),yes)<newline>CONFIGURE_ARGS += --enable-pulse-java, maybe I should compile like that? | |
| [10:03] * persia is reading the rules file for intrepid | |
| [10:03] <Peddy> (: | |
| [10:04] <persia> OK. Di you see where it has DISTRIBUTION_PATCHES | |
| [10:04] <persia> s/Di/Do/ | |
| [10:04] <Peddy> yes | |
| [10:04] <persia> Just above that, there are five lines that have logic to set with_pulse | |
| [10:05] <Peddy> yep | |
| [10:05] <persia> You want to delete those lines, and instead use the three lines from the pastebin. | |
| [10:06] <Peddy> done | |
| [10:06] <Peddy> wait a sec chmoding | |
| [10:06] <Peddy> I can't save file :/ | |
| [10:07] <persia> Did you run `sudo apt-get source ...` ? | |
| [10:07] <Peddy> Yes L. | |
| [10:08] <Peddy> :/ | |
| [10:08] <Peddy> apt-get, right? I'm so used to using 'sudo'. | |
| [10:08] <persia> OK. This is recoverable without downloading everything again. | |
| [10:08] <Peddy> Yeah, I'm changing the permissions. | |
| [10:08] <persia> No, don't do that. | |
| [10:08] <Peddy> ok | |
| [10:08] <persia> Some of the permissions are important | |
| [10:08] <Peddy> ah | |
| [10:09] <persia> So, go back to your scratch directory, which should have the source directory, a tarball, a .diff.gz file, and a .dsc file. | |
| [10:09] <persia> sudo rm -r the source directory | |
| [10:09] <Peddy> I'm in here. | |
| [10:09] <Peddy> rm -r? | |
| [10:09] <Peddy> so | |
| [10:09] <Peddy> the openjdk-6-6b12/ directory? | |
| [10:09] <persia> Yes. You want to delete the unpacked source, and keep the tarball, etc. | |
| [10:10] <persia> Then, as a normal user, run dpkg-source -x on the .dsc file. | |
| [10:10] <persia> This will give you an unpacked source directory controlled by your user. | |
| [10:10] <Peddy> ok, I can write to it. | |
| [10:10] <Peddy> Sorry about my noobishness, and thanks for your patience :) | |
| [10:11] <persia> No problems :) Thanks for taking the trouble to do it the Ubuntu way, rather than giving up and using upstream sources. | |
| [10:11] <Peddy> :) | |
| [10:11] <Peddy> Ok, I've edited and saved the file. | |
| [10:12] <persia> OK. Next, from the package directory, run dch -i | |
| [10:12] <persia> Then add a note to the changelog that you've configured it with pulse | |
| [10:14] <Peddy> done | |
| [10:14] <persia> Now, run debuild to build your modified package | |
| [10:15] <Peddy> Ok, I have to go :(. After debuild, do I just configure with enable-pulse-java, or does debuild make a deb package? | |
| [10:15] <persia> debuild makes a deb package. | |
| [10:16] <persia> The change you made to debian/rules will cause that package to be configured with enable-pulse-java | |
| [10:16] <Peddy> k | |
| [10:16] <Peddy> ok, thanks a lot for your help. | |
| [10:17] <Peddy> bye! I'll let you know how it went tomorrow. | |
| [10:24] <Peddyt> ok, my mum told me to get off, but i've sshd in from my phone with irssi, persia. | |
| [10:25] <persia> Peddyt, It's late. Tomorrow will be fine :) | |
| [10:26] <Peddyt> debuild says i need some pulseaudio dev stuff. | |
| [10:26] <persia> Oh, right, because it wouldn't have that in Build-Depends, because it wasn't enabled. I'll dig it up. | |
| [10:26] <Peddyt> it's not so late where i live :) | |
| [10:27] <persia> You aren't in NZ? | |
| [10:27] <persia> Isn't that UTC+12 ? | |
| [10:27] <persia> You need libpulse-dev and pulseaudio. | |
| [10:28] <persia> It seems like you need versions > 0.9.12 though, and intrepid only seems to have 0.9.10, so I don't promise it works. | |
| [10:29] <persia> There's a pulseaudio 0.9.13 in this PPA: https://launchpad.net/~themuso/+archive | |
| [10:29] <persia> That's the person who usually makes changes to pulseaudio in Ubuntu, so I'd expect a reasonably safe PPA, but it is a PPA, so no promises it works, and when it breaks, you get to keep both pieces. | |
| [10:29] <Peddyt> it's 2330 and i do not have school for a while ;) | |
| [10:30] <persia> Oh, +13. I always forget about DST. | |
| [10:30] <Peddyt> it says i only need 9.11 so i think i'll be ok. | |
| [10:31] <persia> intrepid is only 9.10, but good luck. | |
| [10:31] <Peddyt> ive tried that ppa it crashed ubuntu | |
| [10:31] <persia> Ah. | |
| [10:32] <Peddyt> excuse lack of grammar :/ | |
| [10:32] <persia> I suspect it's good as PPAs go, but PPAs are special. | |
| [10:34] <Peddyt> ok i can't really try java stuff using ssh, so i'll leave it to tomorrow | |
| [10:35] <Peddyt> could you pastebin this convo please? | |
| [10:36] <persia> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/01/25/%23ubuntu-java.html doesn't have all of it yet, but it will in about half an hour. | |
| [10:36] <persia> It updates about once an hour. | |
| [10:37] <Peddyt> excellent, thanks. | |
| [10:38] <Peddyt> well, goodnight/day. thanks again. | |
| [15:14] <schmiedc> hi | |
| [15:15] <schmiedc> i am new to packaging and read the debian policy for java | |
| [15:16] <schmiedc> just one question about that. how can i understand the CLASSPATH | |
| [18:49] <|aspire|> hello | |
| [18:49] <|aspire|> is there any one here? | |
| [18:54] <schmiedc> yes | |
| [19:23] <|aspire|> schmiedc: how are you | |
| [19:27] <schmiedc> fine thx, and you? | |
| [21:27] <Peddy> Hi persia, I have installed Pulseaudio from 0.9.13 from themuso's PPA, and like I suspected, I can't log in. It gives the 'session lasted less than 10 seconds' thing with some messages, including "Couldn't exec /usr/bin/pulse-session; no such file or directory". Do you know what could be causing this? | |
| [21:28] <Peddy> Logging into failsafe GNOME works. | |
| [21:31] <Peddy> even with the 0.9.13 libpulse installed, when I'm debuilding openjdk, it still says 'configure: error: Could not find pulseaudio>=0.9.11 libraries - Try installing pulseaudio-libs-devel>=0.9.11" Do you know why this is? | |
| [21:34] * Peddy purged and reinstalled, brb | |